Guest essay by Eric Worrall
California just banned the sale of gasoline powered backup generators, lawn mowers, small gas powered fire fighting pumps, and other small stationary engines, as part of their drive to reduce CO2 emissions.
Newsom signs law to eventually ban gas-powered lawn equipment in California
by: Associated Press
Posted: Oct 10, 2021 / 07:08 AM PDT / Updated: Oct 10, 2021 / 07:08 AM PDTCalifornia will soon ban the sale of new gas-powered leaf blowers and lawn mowers, a move aimed at curbing emissions from a category of small engines on pace to produce more pollution each year than passenger vehicles.
Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a new law on Saturday that orders state regulators to ban the sale of new gas-powered equipment using small off-road engines, a broad category that includes generators, lawn equipment and pressure washers.
The California Air Resources Board has already started working on a rule to do this, a lengthy process scheduled to conclude early next year. But the law Newsom signed on Saturday removes any doubt, ordering the agency to apply the new rule by Jan. 1, 2024, or as soon as regulators determine is “feasible,” whichever date is later.
“Gov. .Newsom signing (this law) really sets a strong course to not only his commitment to transitioning to zero emissions but also to cleaner air and healthier lungs,” said Will Barrett, director of clean air advocacy for the American Lung Association in California.
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Read more: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/newsom-signs-law-to-eventually-ban-gas-powered-lawn-equipment-in-california/
A ban on gas powered lawn equipment would just be a serious inconvenience for most people, unless you have a very large lawn.
But the law bans a lot more than that.
AB-1346 Air pollution: small off-road engines.(2021-2022)
An act to add Section 43018.11 to the Health and Safety Code, relating to air pollution.
LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL’S DIGEST
AB 1346, Berman. Air pollution: small off-road engines.Existing law imposes various limitations on the emissions of air contaminants for the control of air pollution from vehicular and nonvehicular sources. Existing law assigns the responsibility for controlling vehicular sources of air pollution to the State Air Resources Board. This bill would require the state board, by July 1, 2022, consistent with federal law, to adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. The bill would require the state board to identify and, to the extent feasible, make available funding for commercial rebates or similar incentive funding as part of any updates to existing applicable funding program guidelines to local air pollution control districts and air quality management districts to implement to support the transition to zero-emission small off-road equipment operations.
Read more: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346
The text requires regulators to consider “… (E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment. …”, so there is no doubt they plan to cover backup generators and emergency fire fighting equipment if they can.
This is beyond serious. Imagine trying to fight the fire approaching your house, only to have a low battery light start flashing on your fire fighting water pump. Or someone who requires powered medical equipment, like oxygen generators or sleep apnea devices, struggling through an extended power outage without proper treatment for their health condition.
Gasoline powered equipment, barring a mechanical failure, works as long as you can keep it supplied with gasoline. But battery equipment needs power to recharge it. Where do you get more power, if the sky is covered with smoke or clouds, or the solar panels are covered in dust, snow or ash, and the power lines are down?
Obviously it is possible that regulators will embrace sanity on these issues, and provide sensible exceptions – but at this stage an outbreak of common sense is far from guaranteed.
Well that should drive out more people from CA…how will people get reliable power if their government keeps effn it up?
Let’s go Brandon
I guess Now so the time for all Old Pull Start mowers, edgers, leaf blowers, air compressors, power washers and weed eaters to be replaced with new pull start versions while you can still get them. And get that Honda Pull State Genny you’ve been salivating over soon too.
Can’t wait until next years fire season. It should be fun watching California burn to the ground.
Californians watching their house burn because they cant pump water will hopefully have something meaningful to say when told that climate change did it.
That is EXACTLY what I posted on Face Book….
I wonder if this would apply to small back-up generation for 10hp or less domestic or agricultural well pumps?
If it doesn’t already it will soon. Many of the machines they are outlawing are used in order to survive at times when the electrical grid has failed.(Maybe one will soon be able to purchase an electrically powered backup generator to deploy at times when there is no electricity available.I’m certain that would make sense to someone in California, particularly Sacramento.)
Essentially they are threatening the lives of citizens.
Patients in hospitals that have diesel backup generators will, I’m sure, rest easy. Or rest in peace.
Isn’t that kind of like plugging a power strip into itself so you can plug something else into it?
What part of this would challenge the woke electorate?
Yet these generators are “on pace” to put out more CO2 then automobiles?
What? ??
That must mean they are planning far more worse blackouts.
Bullets
Gasoline
Diesel
Generators
Tomorrow’s gold
The next climate and air quality protection will be ration cards for gasoline purchases.
Oh, come on, man! griff can tell you authoritatively that battery-powered electric generators (where a battery-powered motor drives a generator) are already in widespread use in Germany, or somewhere, and are cheaper than even hand-cranked generators. And they’re just around the corner here, too!
PG&E turned off power today in 20 counties because it got windy. Welcome to living with third world power distribution system.
Sacramento craziness. California Democrat politicians have no clue. They have a single focus: Reducing CO2, and everything else is secondary, including the health and safety of California citizens.
This mass delusion over CO2 is having serious consequences in the real world. And it’s only going to get worse until the whole enterprise crashes and burns, because it is unsustainable. The crashing and burning may not be that far in the future.
I’m sure glad I live in a State that is run by people who live in the real world. It makes things much easier.
Well that should drive out more people from CA
If only they could learn from their mistakes and stop electing the same sort of idiots after they move!
“The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.”
You can’t convince phantom voters of anything, on account of them not actually existing, but they are reliable Democrat votes.
There is not a lot of rancorous political debate in the cemetery.
Very nice.
The urbanites don’t have back up gennies anyway. Apartment owners don’t need leaf blowers.
Such things are for practically minded rural folks. aka deplorables.
Many more urban folk have generators than you would think. Since February a lot of Texans have acquired them.
I’m an urbanite and I live in a city center and I have 5 generators ranging from 1.2 to 6.5 Kw. I am an Onan generator collector though. 😉😊
When I lived in an apartment, I was woken early by leaf blowers and lawn mowers every week. I guess they’ll have to pay more for someone to use garden shears to cut each blade of grass now.
KEEP THOSE IDIOTS IN CALIFORNIA!! Don’t let them move or breed elsewhere! People get the government they deserve. They elected those fools – let them live with the consequences.
The problem is there are a huge number of people in California (mostly sensible rural folk) who *DID NOT* vote for those idiots. Unfortunately for them their votes were outweighed by all the fools and morons (mostly “woke” city dwellers) who did vote for the idiots.
As with opening any flood gate, bunch of pig crap is flushed also. Parts of Nevada today
When the ones who learn leave, the ones who don’t learn become a higher percentage of the vote.
The recall election left the idiot in charge so they deserve what they get.
Do you really think they could elect anyone of their choosing? Do you really think Newsom won by a 2:1 margin in the recall? California is the prototype for the rest of the country, one place the machine is honed to guarantee a permanent hold on power (not the electrical kind).
Doesn’t happen Tony, how delusional are you?
“If only,” Tyler.
#FJB
#FGN
Let’s go Brandon !!
This idiot just locked out every lawn service business in the entire state. Wonder how many jobs this was.
I smell class action.
Hence the need for increased illegal immigration. Our wealthy elites are addicted to cheap lawn service, maids, etc.
Those lawn service guys will just have to learn how to use a motorless pushmower. They work pretty good on short grass. I used to use one when I was a kid mowing the neighbors lawns for fun and profit.
I have a pushmower in my shed right now, although I haven’t used it in years. And it will cut the lawn good as long as you don’t let the grass grow too long before you start. It’s a real chore pushing it through tall grass.
I have switched over to battery-operated yard equipment for the most part. Leaf blowers and hedge trimmers and chain saws, and they work great. I have an electric pushmower (actually, it pushes itself) that my dad uses, and is very convenient for him. And I would have an interest in getting a battery-powered riding lawnmower in the future.
But cutting off the use of emergency equipment just because they use fossil fuels, as California is proposing to do, is just crazy. Battery-operated emergency equipment is not fit for the purpose.
Using push mowers on golf courses will require an army of immigrants with questionable credentials.
We seem to be acquiring quite an army of immigrants coming across the U.S. southern border. We need to send all of them to California. There are still plenty of streets in California that don’t have tents pitched on them. There’s lots of room for more homeless, penniless people in California.
yes, but try finding street space that isn’t already occupied by needles and feces in which to pitch those tents. 😉
Good luck with a class action. CARB has emerged victorious in nearly every legal challenge it has faced.
If the rest of the nation is lucky, Newsom will realize his tax base is escaping, and ban fossil-fueled moving vans.
Just think: LGBGT – Let’s Go Brandon, Get Trump! (which would be a good thng)/
The failure to remove California’s special exemption from nationwide standards on pollution are showing the expected result. CARB has been staffed with True Believers for a very long time, and are, with the complicity of liability lawyers, the major reason why gas cans are so dangerously awkward.
Probably, the only cure would be national standards, and disestablish CARB.
Yes, these are dangerous gas can filler tubes that spill a lot of fuel on the ground and all over. I saved a few old filler tubes that work better and don’t pollute like the new ones. No thank you EPA–maybe next time watch what it does to actual consumers.
I would not beat all surprised if a friend of a friend or a relative of a relative is making a profit from these filler tubes.
Fyi you can buy replacement tubes. I got several off Amazon. No funny buttons or switches, just an open tube and a screw on cap like the old days.
Ha! Get your hands on one of those “easy pour” spout kits. Not available in all states, of course, but worth acquiring elsewhere if the opportunity arises.
I’ve had “No spill Jill” gas cans at my golf course for many years. I don’t know many superintendents that don’t use them. Can’t buy the spout separately since they don’t fit generic cans but not too expensive and you will smile every time you use it.
The CARB sanctioned gurgle cans were problematic for filling my snowmobiles. It would take 10 minutes to empty a can. It takes two cans to fill a tank, and filling two snowmobiles made it a 40 minute chore in 10ºF weather. My answer was a one gallon funnel with a roughly 1″ diameter spout. I’d unscrew the gas can top and pour the whole 5 gallon can into the tank in under 30 seconds. For lawn equipment I use a stick style gas transfer pump. Either way is less dangerous and less polluting than the absurd CARB gurgle can spouts.
The cure is to leave California and buy nice indoor weather in other states. Since all California elections are decided by the 4 largest southern counties of Los Angeles, San Diego, Orange and Riverside, the other 54 counties voters can stay home and never vote as they cannot change the outcome anyway. Welcome to California, home to one party politics.
Santa Barbara is crawling with Teslas with Biden stickers…would it be possible they don’t know their gardeners are using-gasp!- GASOLINE leaf blowers? Does France (70% nuclear zero CO2) have these problems?
The cure is to split California into 2- 4 states.
The cure is to give them their independence before they must go on life support.
Newsom is punishing those that voted for him to be recalled.
BTW, more Riverside Co. residents voted for him to be recalled than those that didn’t want him recalled. I was a very small margin though.
https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor-recall/county/riverside
You left out the true believersycophant fake Phd.that gave the politically correct answers desired by CARB. Last word is that he is still at CARB.
CARB was notorious for setting volatile organic compound limits in the Los Angeles basin at a rate that was exceeded by natural emissions from trees and brush. If you can smell a plant, it emits VOCs.
CARB invented an evaporative emissions test specifically designed to fail all vehicles with carburetors. It’s called the SHED test. Put the vehicle in a sealed building, lower the air pressure inside a few PSI then sample the air for gasoline vapor.
It’s part of their plan to cut down on medicare and SS costs.
Does this cover ATVs?
It says “small off-road engines” and “vehicular” so I would expect that it does cover ATVs.
Based on what I read in a LA Times article from another source, apparently not….ATVs, snow mobiles, dirt bikes, jet skis, etc, are exempted. Apparently leisure equipment is OK when it comes to pollution but not actual tools that are necessary!
check the CA ARB definition…
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/small-off-road-engines-sore/about
It looks like anything with an engine of 25 HP or less will be banned.
…’including lawn and garden, industrial, logging, airport ground support, and commercial utility equipment, golf carts, and specialty vehicles.’
How much do you want to bet that the ICE generator providing backup for the Governor’s mansion is 26HP or greater?
MikeH
“logging” you think the fires are big now, explain to me how are you to thin the forest when you cannot use a gas power chain saw, even better how are you to cut a fire break with a battery power chain saw. What a maroon.
You’ll just need one of those soon to be designed battery powered chain saws. The battery of course weighs 50 lbs and a charge is enough to make 4 complete cuts through an 18 inch log, so you’ll want to carry along a few extra charged batteries.
Easy solution – make 30hp equipment. More power! Urghh! Urghh! Urghh!
= 23kW!!
Chain saws are a pretty important tool when it comes to fighting fires.
Electric chain saws—now here’s great idea that will never work.
they do work and are lighter for older men and for women
but
you cant cut much wood for very long
and theyre 2 to 3x the cost
Battery-powered chain saws work very well for an individual person. You can buy extra batteries, if you can’t wait for one to recharge.
I don’t think they are appropriate for fighting forest fires, though.
Battery powered chain saws, I agree. However in defense of battery-powered tools, they have come a long way. Our new batter-powered extrication tools do a great job, and are much easier to use and faster to deploy than the old gas-powered hydraulic ones. I have been quite impressed with their power, too – absolutely comparable to the old ones.
Again: it’s about fitness for purpose. Extrication tools are needed quickly and for relatively short periods (you DO NOT spend hours doing extrication). Chainsaws can be needed for extended periods, so batteries don’t make sense there.
I saw an electric-powered backhoe and a tractor being advertised the other day.
I have two chain saws I use in the garden. One is electric and plugs in to a drop cord. I used it to cut down two large nut trees that were shading the yard and not producing. The other is a battery-powered saw with a short bar, great for pruning branches too large for loppers. In the States I used Stihl gasoline-powered chain saws, heavy brutes and noisy but they sure chewed up the firewood. My last one was small and light, especially selected for me by the dealer.
Just drag a long extension cord for your fire-fighting chainsaw from your electric fire fighting vehicle.
Yeah, that should work great!
Not just firefighting. Chainsaws turn trees into logs which become boards which become houses. Skidders, loaders, log trucks, and scads of mill equipment, more trucks, forklifts, and more trucks are needed to get the lumber to the building site before the house is even erected. Most folks don’t live in mud huts any more.
I took stock today: I have 7 small engines: riding mower, small tractor, 2 chainsaws, a generator, a rototiller, and a cultivator. My neighbors have more than me, including outboard motors. I don’t own a boat or ATV. Judge me if you must. You can bet the bull goose loony warmunists will. The Green Stasi are restless.
Time to let it burn.
If you read the CA ARB definition of a ‘small engine’, you’ll find that it’s 19kW or less…that a 25 HP engine, so goodby to a lot of off-road vehicles.
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/small-off-road-engines-sore/about
The smart manufacturers will just change the engines to 26 HP or more….which will burn more fuel and ‘pollute’ more, assuming that CO2 the other emissions really are a problem…not.!
Well, Newsome escaped the recall and now feels invincible. He is going to keep on charging down this foolish road to the destruction of California. I wonder how his good buddies in the movie business will feel about being “Green” when they don’t have any electricity at the studios. Eventually, this insane net zero stupidity will start impacting even the elites and celebrities….
And with the Chinese movie investor and Chinese moviegoer market angle not working out for them
They kept Newsome in. Let those fools suffer the consequences.
Agreed!
I don’t want to hijack the comments. I’ve just received this statement on another website and am wondering whether anyone can point me in the direction of confirmation/non confirmation.
“In fact a wind turbine in a good location will produce the same amount of energy as was used to create it in only a few years.”
I don’t think this is true, but maybe?
Before it fails?
Looking for actual figures, so that I can confirm/refute the statement, as the commenter hasn’t actually done so. But yes, before it fails.
Recovery 2 buck of energy for every buck spent is not sustainable. Do these maroons not understand this.
Are wind turbine factories powered by wind turbines?
“Are wind turbine factories powered by wind turbines?”
Sure, but it will take 20 years to make all the wind turbines, so by then the entire production will be needed to replace the oldest turbines as they fail.
Then they can continue this way forever. it’s the perfect government run business. Just like in Yes Minister. The hospital with no doctors, nurses or patients.
They won the Florence Nightingale Award for the most hygienic hospital in the UK.
Producing the same is not the same. If you need power at 3 pm but the wind does blow, then where does the power come from?
That’s why you need a 3-shift operation.
Gather a small army of ‘undocumented workers’ and have them pedal stationary bikes connected to the windmill. Should produce about as much power as when the blades are moving, plus it gives the ‘undocumented workers’ something productive to do.
The obvious problem now for the RE scam is all the “good locations” have been used up.
None of these are actually answers. How much energy goes into the production of an average wind turbine (including foundations etc)? How much energy does the turbine produce (on average)? I can’t find any info from the turbine manufacturers, which is not surprising. I can do the rest, with enough googling/duckduckgoing. I just wondered if anyone had this info to hand.
There are studies available, can’t point to one r/n.
I can’t point to a study immediately, but just take primary energy to produce the concrete and steel, nothing more than that, assume a 25% capacity factor and you have one year to pay back the energy needed to produce the steel and concrete.
Someone told you, a few years? Include all the other materials involved, plus transportation and construction, and yes 2-3 years sounds about right. No power plant can be dedicated to just returning its embedded energy however. It has to also perform its primary function and pay for its O&M…eventually it even has to pay its own subsidies.
Not if it has sufficient artificial external subsidies.
tongue was in cheek…
Thanks
Here’s a link to an organization that appears to go down several levels to get life cycle costs of various forms of electricity generation. YMMV
https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/energy-and-the-environment/energy-return-on-investment.aspx
This looks good. I think i’ll be eating a bit of humble pie, but thats alright
remember reading some fairly hefty facts and figures right here on WUWT on wind n solar etc
look in the search function
Herman, best I can suggest is to go through WUWT over the past few months, I’m pretty sure I recall seeing it discussed. Sorry I can’t be more help.
So what? It’s a nonsensical statement. It’s true for every power plant.
Before chasing down the rabbit hole for minutiae on power generation paying back energy used to build the power plant, ask why this even matters. Consider this true statement:
In fact a (natural gas, coal fired, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro, geothermal) power plant will produce the same amount of energy as was used to create it in a few years.
Once again, so what?
It’s not true for every power plant. Most FF powered power plants produce an excess of electricity to power both electricity for the population it serves, as well as provide for it’s own replication.
This is only possible with high density energy sources like coal/gas/nuclear etc. with a reliable, constant output over a 50 year life.
Wind turbines can’t produce enough energy to replicate themselves whilst undertaking their primary function, to provide for the grid, and they are lousy at that at the best of times.
It really is hilarious that the renewables cults all make their individual claims on the electricity provided by turbines/solar etc. to satisfy their pet desires, but when you add all these claims up each turbine would have to produce multiples of it’s nameplate output, whilst operating at around 30% of that.
Stupid remark. Logically ask yourself. If what you say is true, where did the energy come from to build the fossil fuels plants if there is none left over to serve customers! If you ask it about windmills, the answer is the energy to make them was from fossil fuels, plants that last for fifty years compared to WM lasting 15 yrs equivalent since their output declines to half by the time they are decommissioned.
Also did you know that WM use a lot of FF plant energy for back up – that’s part of the proper accounting.
Now I know I shouldn’t take it out on you, because all your wokey betters don’t get it either. Please take this as a free education. Next time, up your game and have a real take of your own when you come to the world’s most highly awarded science site.
Realistically there is no such thing as a wind farm. There are, however, gas-fired power plants with wind turbine landscaping.
There ARE “mandate, subsidy and tax credit farms” that happen to be festooned with windmills though. Ditto for “solar farms.”
If it was true for every power plant, then the output of all existing power plants would be dedicated to the creation of new power plants and nothing else.
If a wind turbine is producing enough energy to replicate itself (perpetual motion notwithstanding) then it’s not producing electricity to do anything else.
Think about it.
No. Coal is necessary to refine and forge the copious amounts of steel.
And fuel is required to produce the 25+ trucks of concrete for each turbine, plus the transportation and ground prep for each turbine.
Just take the cost of the windmill, the energy to build it is buried in the material costs for each component. Electrical costs for the facility are often included as an “overhead” expense.
Manufacturers don’t sell at a loss.
With subsidies geared toward the point of use, such as rebates, manufacturers can charge more for the product.
On the bright side, power generated from wind speed changes is a function of speed^3.
So small increases in wind speed results in bigger increases of power.
a 25% increase in windspeed almost doubles power output. (1.95 increase)
Does that include the people who are paid to build and maintain it? Because they have a CO2 impact. At 84 trillion $ GDP and 35 Billion barrels of oil used every year you get 1 barrel of oil for $2400 of GDP. So the man paid $48000 to assemble the turbines will consume roughly 20 barrels of oil a year.
Lots of dangerous unintended consequences, par for their course.
By fair, or by foul, Newsome survived the recall effort. Californians will pay the price of having an emboldened extremist in power for at least the next 13 months. Some were packing to leave California the night of the recall failure. More will make that choice with every new edict.
Thanks to progressives like Newsome i start to realise how liberal H!tler was.
Now i no longer wonder why Stalin and Mao were able to kill more people in a single country (their own) while H!tler had to set the world on fire to achieve a fraction of the commie bodycount.
(and it seems that doing good and moral supremacy have become the main MO for organizedpsychopaths, or maybe it has been always that way and i was just too slow to get it)
And remember that Uncle Ado1f was also a socialist, the usual “right wing” tag is erroneous.
I think Hitler as an Austrian in the end did do what he set up to do, that was to destroy Germany.
“By fair, or by foul, Newsome survived the recall effort.”
Would you plz expand on the “by foul”? Seeing as to how it was ~2/1, and there’s NO evidence of it, that’s a lot of “foul”. Will this become the normal chant whenever you lose? Silly ?. Apparently it already has.
“Some were packing to leave California the night of the recall failure.”
bb. Those leaving take with them are about half as likely to have an earned BS or higher degrees than those arriving. Thx for the bright sizing, Texas. The leavers can all buy McManses next to smoldering fertilizer factories, in the carcinogenic corridor. And then freeze when ERCOT fails to gird up it’s natural gas to electric infrastructure, and hook up with their neighbors…..
re: “And then freeze when ERCOT fails to gird up it’s natural gas to electric infrastructure, and hook up with their neighbors”
Look in the mirror, Blob; States to the east of Texas had issues too. Such shortsighted comments are NOT what I expect of posters to this site …
“Look in the mirror, Blob; States to the east of Texas had issues too.”
Uh, you mean the states with relatively little wind power? Ok.
Yes, the grid must be girded up for these (formerly) parts/ten thousand events. But another big hitter for all is to harden the natural gas to electricity infrastructure for extreme weather, and to firm up our antique natural gas storage. More volume, more deliverability. The hated Gavin Newsom (the 2/1 no recall guy) is doing just that in Cal….
another big hitter for all is to harden the natural gas to electricity infrastructure for extreme weather, and to firm up our antique natural gas storage. More volume, more deliverability.
Why would they when the brains trust want to get rid of gas altogether? Haven’t you heard of all the climate changers wanting boycotts of financiers investing in fossil fuels? It’s working but according to them the climate is getting worse. That’s watermelon logic for you.
“Why would they when the brains trust want to get rid of gas altogether?”
Name 1 who does, immediately. Gas is the ideal bridge fuel, and I agree that any climate changers boycotting it, produced under best practices, for that use, are misguided. Now, who are they? Not rhetorical, who?
The complaint is against biz as usual, with the fossil fuelers unloading most of their external costs (environmental, safety, health, AGW, asset retirement) onto the rest of us. Interesting how the self proclaimed capitalists whine when they are subject to it’s essence – the price information that can only come from making those who produce costs pay for them, and then pass them along.
And if you want to similarly charge the renewablers, and make them give up their (relatively tiny) start up helps, OTay by me. Let’s rock…
While it might not be what you expect from posters to this site, it unfortunately is what you can expect from trolls like the bigoldboob.
There was that felon who was found asleep in his car, being kept company by over 300 mail in ballots.
But of course, you have it on good authority that he was the only one
A little conspiracy rumor control.
https://laist.com/news/politics/recall-fact-and-fiction-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-election-fraud-rumors-youre-seeing
FYI, we could find other such instances together. They:
It really is sad the way Bob actually believes that it is easy to show election fraud. Then again, he’s used to seeing things that aren’t there.
Excuse me the election was throw on 40,000 votes. That the case in most Presidential election, only maroons do not understand this. That the big secret the Dimm want to hide, someones drank the coolaid.
You should be an advocate for the true margin. Over 6MM votes. It’s actually a smaller margin than what prevailed in the EC.
You recognize the existence of the EC, yet think it’s total popular vote that counts (your 6MM vote margin). Doesn’t matter what the margin on the total popular vote is, that’s not how the election process works in this republic. Those votes need to be in the right places. Every single voter in California could have voted for the Dem candidate but if every other state in the nation narrowly chose the Republican, that margin (in the 10s of millions) would mean diddly. (or switch the scenario with every Texan and Republicans with every other state and Dems). This is civics 101 stuff. For all the waffling you did about educational degrees earlier, it seems you never passed high school level civics.
“Doesn’t matter what the margin on the total popular vote is, that’s not how the election process works in this republic.”
And therein les the problem. A scheme designed to enable the continuation of slavery has endured, under the bogus guise that it is better because we are a “republic”. There is NO reason for some voters votes to count more than others.
The rest of your post does a pretty good job of making my point…
Me: “This is civics 101 stuff. For all the waffling you did about educational degrees earlier, it seems you never passed high school level civics.”
Your reply: The rest of your post does a pretty good job of making my point
Glad you can admit to your failures in high school level education. Admitting your failures it the first step to improving yourself.
The fact that it was possible to see if the ballot was marked for recall or not through the punched holes in the envelope is definitely an “FOUL” issue. That also explains why the recall failed. It is not how you vote it is who “counts” the vote.😞
I can’t help but wonder how many votes for recall, failed to be delivered by the members of the postal union.
Happy to get rid of all those dumb bumpkins, right Bob? Your comment says a lot about you, but nothing surprising.
BOB is definitely a fly-over country snob.
The first big, extended power outage (by fire, earthquake or low generation by renewables) will demonstrate the absolute foolishness of such a blanket edict. In the meantime, the impact on construction, landscape management, etc., etc. will create a lot of very upset citizens.
It’s about time to set up aid stations for fleeing Californians along major highways near the border. (Carbon) Grapes of Wrath II does not need to come with the meanness of the first one. I just hope there is not a fuel crisis at the time or a blanket shortage caused by the government program for when “children won’t know what snow is”.
RG as long as those aid stations include voting guides…
The migrants to California in the 1930s were called OKies whether you were from Oklahoma or not. I hope the Calexit crowd don’t get called Wokies. Who is voting for this moron? Probably dominion
“Wokies”
That’s funny!
I heard a report the other day saying most of those leaving California are Republicans. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it makes sense.
I doubt that the ban on gas powered fire fighting equipment will stay in the law.
I lived in a remote bushfire zone property for many years.
No law would have stopped me from owning & operating the 4 gasoline & diesel fueled fire pumps and generators I relied upon for my family’s survival when nature’s wrath bore down on us.
And I’d have my vermin control farm tools (12-gauge, .410, .22) loaded & ready to use without hesitation on any government ‘regulator’ who came around to deprive me of my gas-powered self-survival equipment.
And gas powered leaf blowers work great for sending pepper spray back from whence it came.
I gave up on leaf blowers.
Wherever I blew he leaves to, the very capricious and mischievous wind would just blow it right back to where I started.
Wasted a hour of time and half a gallon of gas every time.
I found it was better exercise and more productive to just rake the little bastards up and burn ’em.
Every fall I lived in Massachusetts I participated in the Share the Leaves” program with neighbors. That ran until November came and soon to be snow put an end to sharing, so I raked. Never used a blower. My blower was a 5 hp snow blower.
Hey, Mr.
Try it again on a calm day, or if there’s a breeze, blow the leaves with the wind.
When the pile gets to a certain size, yes, it’s time to put down the leaf blower and grab the rake.
💡Or…… wait until all the leaves are down, skip the raking altogether, and set all the leaves on fire. (Your lawn will come back OK next Spring… probably… maybe.)
😜
I have lots of oak trees and lots of leaves in some places, and I use a leaf blower to form the leaves into big piles (on a windless day), and then I use a lawnmower and run over the leaves and chop them up into mulch. They reduce down pretty good.
Fire works good, too, but you have to be careful. And wet leaves put out a lot of smoke. Your local fire department might be paying you a visit to see what the smoke is all about.
Around here, the county fire department requests that they be notified of any burning you do such as brush piles or leaves, and then if they get a call about smoke in that area, they will know what is going on.
That reminds me. I have to fill the tank and some jerry cans for my rolling coal portable fire pump.
You might be right, but what idiot would propose it in the first place?
Every major manufacturer now offers e ATV’s.
https://www.drrusa.com/adult-electric-atvs-utvs
Many brands of battery/inverter/solar units. Name me an appliance, and it has been successfully batteryfied.
More to the point, I think if you want to “live the dream” and pioneer, pioneer. Why should city mice subsidize much of the costs of utilifying country mice, and saving their ***es when they catch fire.? All the utilities get are headaches and lawsuits when a piece of equipment sparks a fire, and much of our suppression $ and manpower – and casualties – is targeted to helping out those “rugged individualists”.. If these gentry folk – neo or settled – want to be amongst their like, let them. On their own dime, and without their outsized carbon footprints adding to our well dispersed man made [CO2] additions.
But the ban is for 19kW and smaller engines…that’s 25HP.
I doubt that there are 20kW e-atvs , or even 10kW.!
Why are you in favor limiting people’s choices?
Why do you want for me to subsidize your polluting, AGW causing, carbon emissions? Why do you want city folks to subsidize the isolationist dreams of “pioneers”? Yes, both rhetorical. Because of your inherited sense of entitlement, and whiny grievance.
Actually, lose the laws and just go with an adequate, fully, regularly, equitably rebated carbon tax. Use the proceeds first to pay off the CCS projects, now scheduled to be paid out of increased debt/deficits. If you want to start with a tax equal to the $/ton now to go to the CCS honeypotters, why not.
You are a sick anti human …shame on you
Since CO2 is good for the environment, it should be subsidized. To bad it isn’t. ON the other hand, Bob demands that other people be forced to pay for all the stuff he wants.
Typical socialist.
Is there a perpetual full moon in your area, BoB?
City folks?!? Wow, do you have any idea where city folks get their food? That’s right…the grocery store. NOT! Your disdain of rural people includes farmers…people who feed you city folk!
Perhaps the “pioneers” should stop sending electricity, water, and food to the “city folks”. The “pioneers” should also stop accepting the polluted water and solid waste as well from the “city folks”.
All carbon atoms in your body come from CO2. Now explain to me why you hate yourself or do you think you body did not come from CO2. If not are you silicon based if you are forest first are still a problem since silicon will melt in the temperature created by forest fires.
”Name me an appliance, and it has been successfully batteryfied.”
Lol. I know there are electric chainsaws, But how many batteries would you need to run the equivalent of a stihl 066 with a 36inch bar all day in the bush. A valuable item in bushfires. I doubt a battery would even run one.
Even if it could in the end the batteries to keep it running in the end. Their production would dwarf the CO2 it took to produce them in the CO2 gas would produce in an ICE chain saw over its lifetime.
Think how heavy the Chainsaw would be with a big ass battery hanging off the back of the saw. 🙄👎
Because it’s foolish?
Since when has that stopped the fools?
Only a total moron would have put it in, in the first place.
Who is the bigger moron, I wonder? The moron who put it in in the first place, or the moron who defends it? In the bigoldboob’s case, it’s definitely the later.
Good! Let them sit in the dark and burn, f**king idiots voted for this and they f**king deserve it.
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So, maybe since the Communist California has banned generators and other ICE type products, we can finally in the rest of the more normal USA get rid of the worthless CARB requirements forced onto us by these idiots. This would be a win win for us, cheaper products due to less stupidity, and only one version to be built increasing the economy of scale. One can only hope.
Unfortunately, other states have adopted the CARB standards lunacy as well, so the cancer has already metastasized.
Hey, the recall against Newsom failed because public employee union SEIU and Netflix Billionaire CEO Reed Hastings spent millions blaming it on the Republican Trumpers. So California gets whats coming to them.
Remember when Newsom ran for governor and promised everyone he would ban capital punishment, ban small gasoline motors and turn criminals loose? Yeah, I don’t either. So it’s no wonder California lost congressional representation due to people and businesses streaming out of the state.
I’ve got a feeble electric mower that was only used a few times before realizing it was not workable in thick lawns. It was from a steeply discounted, no-returns sale at Home Depot, but I’ll let you have it in California for only $1,000 including a lithium battery and charger. If nothing else you may want the large battery as backup for when the power goes out and the fires return.
The battery can also serve as a source of heat when it catches on fire. A lot of heat. Twofer.
This is the end of the beginning of the end for California. The end has arrived. I suspect Honda will relocate all their remaining facilities to Texas and Utah, and without backup generators the blackouts will become completely intolerable for huge number of people.
If enough people leave the state they may be able to avoid the blackouts for another year or two.
Think about how many Congress seats they could lose in the next census.
Yeah but that’s a decade away. Lots of pain an suffering for the inmates of commiefornia in the meantime. (and not just for the morons who voted these fools in, they deserve all the pain and suffering they get. No it’s the others who are stuck there because they’re too poor or too rooted to the area to move that I feel for).
We can hope.
Stupid Stupid Stupid Stupid!
And what does this say about the fine people of California who elected him?
Stupid.
Majority stupid, anyway.
but at this stage an outbreak of common sense is far from guaranteed.
but at this stage an outbreak of common sense is far from guaranteed.
but at this stage an outbreak of common sense is far from guaranteed.
and so on
Every year I go to Mammoth to ski. But I reserve One day to go to Carson City to buy Calif-banned Denatured Alcohol. Many travel to Yuma, Las Vegas and Stateline to buy ammo. I guess Arizona and Nevada will have to stock more gas lawnmowers, generators and such. You can’t stop us Newscum.
Yes, that’s what I was thinking…Nuisance is enriching his state’s neighbors….
Especially when CA must pay other states $millions to take its excess solar generated electricity
Are you and illegal after from what I understand in California said laws do not apply to them.
And just think of all the CO2 emissions from all those fossil fuel powered cars crossing back an forth from the interior of commiefornia to those neighboring states and back again in order to pick up all that contraband.
Just prt of Maurice Strong’s efforts to Block the tailpipe…”
https://www.technocracy.news/club-of-rome-the-origin-of-climate-and-population-alarmism/
You missed the ‘best’ banned gas powered small engine category—chain saws. Guaranteeing CA cannot do the forest thinning needed to prevent more severe forest fires, let alone fight them by building fire breaks, while also shutting down their logging industry—there are no extension cords long enough for California’s Sierra Nevada forests. Besides which they also banned portable generators to attach them to, as you noted.
I suspect this will not stand. It merely provides vivid grounds for ridicule of abject green stupidity.
I’m not advocating banning gas powered chain saws but in head to head reviews consumer-grade electric chain saws are just as good or better. Except that you have to recharge them frequently or have a lot of batteries on hand which is expensive and unwieldy for loggers. And as far as I know none of the larger and longer (> 18″) chain saws used by loggers are electric. But otherwise the electric consumer-grade chain saws cut just as well, and they’re quieter and lighter.
That hasn’t been my experience!
Sinkerp:
My farm was never and never will be your ‘consumer grade’. Dunno what you meant, but I can be precise about my non-consumer grade dairy farm: 260 acres, of which about 160 was steep hardwood forest with deadfall harvested by my compact 4WD 27 HP tractor and half inch logging chains cut thru (over about 10 years about 5 miles of horse/snomobile net forest trails for hunting). Base diameters up to 3 feet. Usually 18. So bigger trees, just use plunge cuts on the 20 inch bar. Now, if you are using plunge cuts, you really have to know tree felling in order not to destroy the bar and chain on a pinch.
I also live in a rural area and have several gas powered pieces of equipment that I consider essential: 2 chain saws (regular 18″ and a pole saw), rototiller, weed trimmer, leaf blower, riding mower, log splitter, brush & field mower, power washer. Now I buy one 5 gallon can of premium gasoline in the spring, make up 2 gallons of 2 stroke gas/oil mix and have enough to power all of these tools except the lawn mower (diesel) for the year. I use most of these only a couple of times per year. I use maybe 10 gallons of diesel for mowing 3 acres over the year. The California law might prevent my burning of about 5 gallons of gas/year. But it would leave me with no wood heat, no ability to clear my drive way if a tree falls, no ability to clear/reduce underbrush and invasive weeds, etc. All to save emissions from the equivalent of one tank of gas in a typical car. What lunacy.
I will be shocked if this utterly stupid law goes into effect in California without creating a huge backlash and perhaps civil unrest a la the French “green vests”.
I use a corded chainsaw for yard work. It’s fine for that and less hassle than an engine saw. But you wouldn’t get much work done very fast with a battery powered chainsaw.
Doesn’t work too good during blackouts though…
There are some places where a battery-powered chainsaw comes in handy. Some of these hedge trimmers hang up on larger branches. A small chainsaw can overcome this.
I doubt firefighters use consumer-grade chainsaws. But am past caring if California burns.
That’s one hell of an exception, and for most people it’s enough reason to avoid battery powered whenever possible.
Fair point.
It does say “gasoline” powered. Surely green hydrogen will be available.
Fire prevention is the keyword. Current CA budget proposal assigns $4 bn for a badly needed fast train Modesto to Bakersfield, $1 bn for fire prevention. In the last fiscal year, 3/4 of money budgeted for fire prevention went elsewhere.
Arizona and Nevada retailers are cheering.
The governor has clearly not been paying any attention at all to what life is like in Lebanon right now.
And this sounds like a real boon for Home Depot stores in Reno and Las Vegas.
“Gasoline powered equipment, barring a mechanical failure, works as long as you can keep it supplied with gasoline. But battery equipment needs power to recharge it.”
I am not sure there is any significant difference between “power to recharge” a battery and suppling a motor with gasoline. In the UK at the moment there are a lot EV powered cars who are driving around looking smugger than usual thanks to ongoing petrol shortages.
We have had an electric lawn mower for over 10 years and it works fine. It is less noisy, lighter and less polluting than a 2 stroke engine. What is not to like?
We don’t much use anymore two stroke lawnmowers in the US. All of mine for the past 20 years are 4 stroke. Ditto almost all outboard boat motors. My last two stroke was a small 4hp for my sailboats inflatable dinghy bought in 1992.
And stuff that necessarily remains two stroke is much improved. My first heavy 20” bar chain saw at the dairy farm was 1:15 oil/gas with a 1/4 inch chain—blue smoke; my much newer 20” bar Stihl was 1:40 (no smoke) with a 3/8 inch chain plus a chain brake for safety—cut better at 2/3 the weight, while using less guide bar oil so longer between refills when cutting oak or hickory.
Walton is talking BS. All ICE lawn mowers in the UK are now 4 stroke. And when comparing noise, it’s a bit like 80’s when two stroke racing motorcycles were condemned as noisy because of their high revving nature and high pitched noise. That is until someone had the gumption to bring a Decibel metre to a few races and discovered that the four strokes were far louder.
Electric lawn mowers are the opposite. One can hear them several gardens away but a four stroke noise just doesn’t travel that far.
There are still two stroke powered chain saws/hedge trimmers etc. but they are overkill for most tiny British gardens.
I still use my 1973 Lawnboy to cut my lawn. Lightest lawn mower out there being a two stroke and having a magnesium deck. 30/1 mix but I use a synthetic oil with a nice scent. So I cut my lawn without smoke but in the scent of cherries. 😊
Whenever you compare other countries or I the U.S. always remember the scale difference! All of England is about the same size as one middle-sized U.S. state. Electric lawnmowers and chainsaws work nicely so long as you are within 30 meters of a power plug. They don’t work so well when clearing brush on the Back 40. All lawn mowing and landscaping companies rely on gas-powered equipment, as do farmers.
As for electric cars, run the numbers. The UK power grid is stretched now, and electric cars take about as much power per month as a house.
An example of “green” stupidity in the UK. The Orkney Islands have wind turbines all over the place but nobody in business or government will pay to install the huge upgrade in their power line to the mainland to be able to get all that electricity to where it can be used. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UmsfXWzvEA
Why can’t people be allowed to make their own choice?
You can if you’re a woman and want to abort your inconvenient mass of biological bondage growing in you due to your own actions. But remember, that is your constitutional right. All other choices, forget about it, the state knows better how you should live your life.
My yard. My Choice.
Derg, you ARE allowed to make your own choice, as long as it is an APPROVED choice.
Indeed, only the approved choice is allowed. Which means no real choice at all.
Living in Epsom, Surrey, UK. There are a lot of people stockpiling gas at the moment, as there were people stockpiling loo roll a few months ago. I’ve had no problems. Driven 400 miles over the last 2 weeks, filled up no problems. Having said all that, I’ll be ordering a petrol/diesel gen asap, as the same insanity is sure to appear here soon.
I have just taken delivery of a new 8Kw generator to see us through the next 5 years of insanity. We might just avoid power cuts this winter (but I doubt it as Boris has said there won’t be any) but the coming years will be rough.
How many batteries have you replaced during those ten years? 4? 5? 7?
It’s not just a power supply required, but time. And you may be oky in your suburban home doing a small bit of mowing. But imagine you are on a back-block miles from anywhere. Your ute is full of lithium ion batteries for your electric chainsaw or whatever. What do you do when those batteries run out? Drive 2 hours to your house and wait 10 hours to recharge all your batteries? Petrol has 100x the energy density of lithium batteries, and “recharges” instantly.
I did a back of the envelope for my boat. There is idiotic talk of replacing marine engines with electric. My boat is a 16 foot fibreglass with a petrol 50hp outboard. It carries 80 litres of fuel which weighs about 60kg. This 60kg of fuel contains the same energy as 6000kg of batteries (60×100). Say my new government-mandated 50hp electric outboard is 5x more efficient than my petrol outboard. Then I only need to carry 6000/5 = 1200kg of batteries in my boat to have the same range as the petrol engine. This is obviously impossible. There is nowhere to recharge at sea (a 20l jerrycan (equivalent to a 300kg battery) of fuel is pretty simple to carry), and to recharge in a marina would take hours and hours.
There is a necessity and permanent place for petrol/diesel powered small engines. They are irreplaceable with current technology.
If Izaak and the other socialists have their way, you will be rounded up, and put in an inner city high rise, whether you want to or not.
No back 40 for you.
Not a problem, Mark. We don’t need dirty FARM vegetables, get nice clean veggies from the grocery store instead.
Chris you describe one more example of where electric / battery power just does not get the job done.
I’m not against electric / battery applications per se (I use many of them, including not having to hand-crank my SUV to start it 🙂 )
But rationally, it’s a case of “horses for courses”.
I have a neighbor who just bought a small EV who was trying to sell me on the concept of “it’s the best thing to happen for personal transport”.
I agreed with him that while it suits his transport needs, it doesn’t meet mine – exploring ‘off the beaten path’ locations while towing a travel trailer rigged for boondocking.
I’d have a hybrid in a flash if it towed 4500 lbs easily for a straight 250-mile run.
I fully agree with horses for courses. I own dozens of battery operated power tools, a mower, a whipper-snipper, etc, and really love them. But I do have a petrol mower and whipper-snipper too, for bigger jobs. What I object to is these governments dictating what an individual may do, where it’s plainly obvious that there are many, many applications that can only be dealt with by the internal combustion engine. I do not understand why this is not obvious to bureaucrats, mainly because I forget that they have no understanding of numeracy, physics, magnitudes, geology, science, etc.
No matter how you cook the numbers, electric vehicles cannot work en masse. They take too long to charge, are too heavy, and require a vast increase in electricity generation and grid capacity. The will only ever be feasible in niche situations, like a neighbour who just bought a small EV to drive 5km a day, and has all day at home to charge it.
The applications that require the ICE are the big jobs: long haul transport, agriculture, mining, emergency services, remote services.
I suppose I could get a sail boat.
Sailboats are fantastic!
I’ve had 4 of them.
But it never occurred to me that any of them could be used as a tugboat or a ski boat.
Horses for courses.
Chris,
you state that the applications that require ICE are the big jobs. And while that might be true they are also niche compared to multitude of small jobs that can be done with electric motors.
Just how many fire engines are there compared to the number of cars on the road?
Also the best way forward for long haul transport is electric trains. They are much more efficient than ICEs and less polluting.
Remote services are also rapidly moving to solar since despite the problems you mention the fact that you don’t have to constantly supply them with petrol is a winner.
And yes I completely agree that for some applications ICEs are the best but with every improvement in battery life, capacity and recharging times those applications are getting fewer and fewer. Electric engines are more efficient, less polluting, have more torque, longer lifetimes etc and so are finding more and more applications as batteries improve.
You really must think these things through without the dreamy magic wand waving.
In Australia we use electric (overhead lines) trains in the city. Fair enough. The distances are short, they are quiet and clean.
For heavy rail – in between cities and to distant mining and agricultural regions we do not use electric trains. Why is that?
The distances are vast, and there is no infrastructure.
It is expensive and inefficient to build electric rail to many of these places.
Oh, use a battery powered train they say. Here’s an example of that:
BHP’s Mount Newman Iron Ore railway is 426km long and uses diesel-electric locomotives with a fuel capacity of around 21 000 litres. To replace that tank with a battery of equivalent energy would require that the battery weighs around 500 tonnes. The longest train ever on that line weighed 100 tonnes.
1000 tons?
Yes, thank you, typo, 100 000 tonnes and eight locos.
So around 4000 tonnes of battery. 4% of the weight. Which does not seem that bad, except for the time required to charge those batteries. They would need multiple battery sets or locos being charged constantly from massive diesel generators in the middle of nowhere.
“On 21 June 2001, the line broke the world record for the heaviest train as well as the longest train when a train weighing 99,734 tons and formed of 682 wagons ran for 275 kilometres between Yandi and Port Hedland. The train was 7.3 kilometres long, carried 82,000 tons of iron ore, and was hauled by eight GE AC6000CW locomotives.” Wiki.
Isaak’s UK is the size of Oregon but with 60+ million people crammed in. And no mountains to speak of, nor any actual winter. It’s sort of Disneyland without the fun. As such, it probably pays them to have electric trains criss-cross their landscape or to use cute little electric chainsaws to trim a dwarf tree in a miniature yard. They have no concept of “vast” or even “harsh weather” .(Just listen to the moaning at every dusting of snow, or when the temperature goes above 24C in summer.) It irks me to have a person like Isaak living in those rarified conditions trying to tell real people doing real jobs in adverse conditions what tools to use.
Network Rail that operates the UK’s rail infrastructure agrees that electrification is the main way to decarbonise UK rail travel.
There are a couple of problems though. First, only 38% of the network is currently electrified and there are some 13,000kms of unelectrified track. This will require a massive electrification programme that will take decades to deliver and there is no guarantee the Government will approve it.
Spread the problem to Europe where 46% of an obviously very much larger railway system is not electrified and you begin to realise that the mantra of electrification of everything is very much a pipedream.
The trouble with electric trains Luke is beautifully illustrated by the Great Western line through Bristol. It is being electrified, It is taking years to rebuild most of the bridges and install the overhead line. It is costing £billions. It will never recover this money. An electric fast train takes at least 3MW, but also need 3MW of backup generation somewhere from Gas when there is little wind (like now). Britain is running on about 70% gas today and some solar (it’s too far North to be efficient in Autumn) which today costs much more than diesel fuel What a good idea!
So whipper snipper is what they’re calling a strimmer now?
Australian for weed-whacker I guess.
I threw together and electric powered boat about 10 years ago, aluminum hull, trolling motor, a couple of deep discharge marine batteries, and a roof with a solar panel. It would go for about an hour on one charge, top speed about 3 mph, and took a full day of summer sun to recharge. Neat for a play-toy, but not really very practical
Solar panels and electric motors have come a long way since then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n-8dYlqV0s
Out of interest I looked up one of the companies that make full-size electric outboards – Torqeedo – and compared specs to my old 50hp two stroke.
They have a 40hp equivalent motor. With a 40 kWh battery, they claim 1.6 hours at full throttle in similar sized vessels to mine.
My 50hp two-stroke will do about about 1.0 hours on a 23 litre tank at full throttle (and much more at 2/3 throttle). The 23l tank weighs about 20kg total.
The 40 kWh battery weighs 278kg! They do not give a price for this battery, but they do for a 5 kWh battery. The 5 kWh battery costs 5000 Euros!
https://www.torqeedo.com/en/products/outboards/deep-blue/deep-blue-25-r/M-3203-00.html
You won’t catch me in a battery powered boat. Electricity and water are not good bedfellows!
Time to recharge vs time to refil is a very, very big difference.
Also, most battery powered lawn tools are toys.
I stopped using electric lawn tools years ago. They all overload and burn out the windings eventually. Gas engines just stall, you clear them and they are good to go again.
I’m sure that my push mower is even quieter than you electric mower.
I have and use a reel-type push mower that’s powered by… me. It cuts beautifully compared to rotary mowers.
I have a fenced ‘safe yard’ for our smallish dogs. There are lots of coyotes about and they will take small dogs. And yes, there are no longer any outdoor cats in the neighborhood and a few small dogs have gone missing.
The little yard is 4m X 5m and it’s tough to maneuver my gas mower for the big yard in there. The reel-type mower leaves a cut almost like a golf course fairway, so it’s easier to pooper scoop compared to the 2″ to 3″ of the main yard.
~H.R., saving the planet one small yard at a time. 😜
It is surprising how often people will stop and remark that they didn’t realize push mowers were still made. Now, if I owned one of the ‘grass farms’ that are so popular around here, I wouldn’t have the time or energy to mow it by hand. However, my 50′ x 20′ front lawn is actually easier to mow with a push mower than to drag out the power mower from the shed in back; the power mower is also harder to push.
Big lawns are such a waste, lots of water, fertilizer, and labor to keep them from turning into meadows. Grass is for animals to graze on, especially cattle. I have been killing grass since moving into the Casa Nova and replacing it with flowering shrubs, trees, and perennials.
Try cutting a few acres of lawn with that puppy. They are great for tiny yards but that is about it.
California….the Cuba of the lower 48 states! If this nonsense is allowed to stand you can bet that repair shops will do a good business. For those who don’t import equipment from other states, they will keep their antique lawn tractors, generators and chainsaws running for a long time….and (unless somehow CA regains its collective sanity) eventually this will extend to cars, trucks and SUVs….
That will be one of the few good future job prospects in CA – small engine mechanics!
And those older engines will end up putting out a lot more pollution than the newer engines that would have replaced them.