Figure 2 - ONS Population Forecast vs Forecast using Japanese Growth Rate. Source Smaller Families and Ageing Populations

Claim: Immigrants and Robots Can Ease the Climate Transition to a Reduced Population

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; When climate activists discuss a “well being” economy, I thought they just meant communism. Turns out a “well being” economy is also code for encouraging the deplorables to gradually die off.

PM REPORT EXPOSES THE AGEING MYTH 

8 OCTOBER 2021 

A major new report by Population Matters busts the myth that a declining birth rate and ageing population spell economic disaster. Silver linings, not silver burdensreveals the benefits of fewer people being born, and identifies the common-sense policies that will meet the challenges of a society in which more people are older. 

The new report is a significant contribution to the public debate on ageing. Headlines about “jaw-dropping crashes” in birth rate and a “silver tsunami” of old people threatening to overwhelm government budgets and leave millions of vacancies unfilled have led to calls for action to boost birth rates across the world.

The new report finds instead that falling birth rates offer multiple advantages, and the increasing number of old people is neither an imminent crisis nor an insoluble problem.

With a foreword by economist and former chair of the UK’s Climate Change Committee, Lord Adair Turner, the 30-page report – backed by more than 100 references – is available here.

CREATING A WELLBEING ECONOMY

The report calls for a reorientation of economic priorities, away from constant growth in Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which benefits from an expanding birth rate and growing population. It notes that GDP places no value on the natural world and on human activities which don’t involve economic transactions.

While it’s right for poorer countries to grow their economies as part of the process of escaping poverty, in richer countries that growth in production and consumption is a key driver of our environmental crisis.

Transitioning to a wellbeing economy would not only ensure that quality of humans’ lives and protection of the natural world are the drivers of all economic activity, it would also help us to recognise the value of investing in older people.

THE SOLUTIONS

That does not mean that policies to address our ageing populations are not available now. The solutions are already understood and can be implemented by governments in the time scale needed. One of the report’s reiterated points is that with 130 million births a year and population projected to keep growing until the second half of this century at least, there will be no shortage of people. At the same time, the transition to an older society is happening slowly.

The report’s findings include:

* The gap between supply and demand for labour in developed economies is likely to be lower than anticipated, due to continued population growth, enhanced productivity, and automation replacing existing jobs. Meanwhile, there are more than 200 million people unemployed, and labour force participation (people in work or looking for work) is only 49% for women. Investment in education and gender equality will help prepare people for work, and realise their potential.

Read more: https://populationmatters.org/news/2021/10/pm-report-exposes-ageing-myth

Delving into the main report, improving labour force participation includes raising the retirement age.

… Delayed retirement and enhancing the economic productivity of older workers will put more money into pension schemes and the exchequer. Pension reform can significantly reduce the fiscal burden. It has already begun in most high income countries, but must continue, reflecting the particular challenges each faces. …

Read more: Smaller Families and Ageing Populations

The report also calls for tax rises.

… Tax rises to meet additional cost are viable policy options, likely to be accepted by the public if managed appropriately. …

Read more: Same link as above

The report presents Japan’s demographic crisis as the model to emulate;

… Presenting new research, the paper outlines three key findings on what the UK could achieve by 2035 if it matched the demographic trend set to be witnessed in Japan over the next fifteen years:

CLIMATE CHANGE – Generating 38 million fewer tonnes of CO2 annually by 2035. This is equivalent to taking almost 19 million cars off the road.

HOUSING CRISIS – Eliminating the need for some 4 million extra homes across Britain, helping to tackle the UK’s chronic housing problems.

NATURE – Stopping major building developments on some 435,000 acres of land. This in turn will help to mend Britain’s broken relationship with nature. …

Read more: Same link as above

This wellbeing economy idea has been kicking around for a while. The population reduction report notes Iceland is attempting to press ahead with measures of factors other than GDP being the key driver of government policy. Former British Prime Minister David Cameron pushed for GDP to be replaced by an arbitrary government measure of happiness, though his plan never got much traction.

A notable advocate of measuring happiness rather than GDP is the kingdom of Bhutan.

Bhutan is a small country perched in the Himalayas, between India and China, not far from Nepal, though Bhutan does not share a land border with Nepal.

In 2010 The Guardian printed an article praising Bhutan’s focus on happiness. But Bhutan’s focus on happiness rather than economic security has cost them dearly, around a third of the people of Bhutan suffer food insecurity.

I don’t know if mass hunger and a need for handouts from the global community is the ultimate fate of all nations which focus on goals other than maintaining a strong economy, but I have yet to find an exception.

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BallBounces
October 11, 2021 10:03 am

Progressives’ definition of a well-being economy: You’re dead and they’re not.

n.n
Reply to  BallBounces
October 11, 2021 10:41 am

A wicked solution to a purportedly hard problem.

whiten
Reply to  n.n
October 11, 2021 12:47 pm

Always to uphold by the wicked, as a main core most effective solution to any purportedly hard problem, especially purportedly hard economical problems… in any supposed scale and form of/in society.

The first and the most effective final solution by and for wickedness.

cheers

SxyxS
Reply to  BallBounces
October 11, 2021 11:10 am

Yeah.
Its a communist Schroedingers Cat.
The cat that starves and dies always belong to the lesser equal cats.

DonM
Reply to  SxyxS
October 11, 2021 12:20 pm

If Schroedinger had a dog he would not have pondered the nature of putting it in a box until it died, or lived.

Cats, on the other hand … Shroedinger rationalized another way to skin ’em.

whiten
Reply to  SxyxS
October 11, 2021 12:32 pm

What more effective way than having healthy “kittens” starving their own identity and personality, to the point of almost self “assassination” of character and personality;

then

when educated and schooled to voluntarily go into solitary boxes, as for the main safety-security measure-solution against the reality of hardship of the social environment…
like in the case of
‘safe spaces’!

“If it is not in the box there with “kitten”, it is not real, and non existing.”

cheers

Sara
Reply to  BallBounces
October 11, 2021 11:56 am

True, except for one small thing: they don’t generally reproduce, so which will “die out” first? Them? Or the rest of the population?
They depend on everyone else “to do” things for them without doing anything themselves, a sure sign of decay at work here.
They certainly do have false notions about themselves.

Vuk
Reply to  BallBounces
October 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Origin word ‘robot’ has one or more versions, the true one is from Slavic languages, ‘djavolja robota’ literally translated ‘work of devil’

whiten
Reply to  Vuk
October 11, 2021 2:33 pm

Do you know the work of the Devil, what it is…
aka, the work of the Angel Lucifer?

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Duane
Reply to  BallBounces
October 11, 2021 7:35 pm

The libs think they will be the ones to manufacture and distribute Soylent Green. And all us little people will be the feedstock for Soylent Green.

Great work if you can get it.

Allan MacRae
Reply to  BallBounces
October 12, 2021 4:46 am

Hi Eric,

The alleged “population problem” may be “solved” soon.

Hope not.

Regards, Allan

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/08/announcing-the-first-wuwt-climate-change-essay-contest/#comment-3364071
(excerpt)

It is now obvious that the summer case spike and hundreds of thousands of deaths in North America attributed to the Covid-19 virus were actually caused by the Covid-19 “vaccines”.
 
The Covid-19 “vaccines” are kill shots and the “vaccine mandates” are a death sentence.
 

October 11, 2021 10:10 am

While it’s right for poorer countries to grow their economies as part of the process of escaping poverty, their efforts are a key driver of our environmental crisis.


Global emissions will be exploding in the coming years and decades ahead over the population and economic growth of China, India, Indonesia, Japan, and Vietnam that plan to build more than 600 coal power units and African countries that are planning to build more than 1,250 new coal and gas-fired power plants by 2030.

Of the more than 2,449 are coal-fired power plants. Over half (1,363) of the world’s coal power plants are in China and India whose populations of mostly poor peoples is roughly 2.7 billion.

Regardless of the efforts of the wealthy countries such as the United State, Germany, UK, and Australia, global emissions will be exploding in the coming years and decades ahead over the population and economic growth of China, India, Indonesia, Japan, and Vietnam that plan to build more than 600 new coal power units and African countries that are planning to build more than 1,250 new coal and gas-fired power plants by 2030.

J Mac
Reply to  Ronald Stein
October 11, 2021 10:33 am

We are not experiencing ‘environmental crisis’.

Jerry Mead
Reply to  Ronald Stein
October 11, 2021 10:45 am

>> Global emissions will be exploding <<

Please quantify that, and describe the problem that you assume it creates.

Coal and gas plants can be made relatively ‘clean burn’ these days, so what’s the issue.?

Steve Case
Reply to  Jerry Mead
October 11, 2021 11:26 am

The climate activists are flying false colors, they are really left wing socialists and communists. They want you to believe that CO2 is a problem and are using it as an issue to install themselves as a world-wide one party rule.

When they achieve that goal, CO2 will be dropped as an issue and they will go about the business of seeing to it that their political enemies are eliminated. The cancel culture is a mere annoyance compared with what’s to come.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Steve Case
October 11, 2021 2:51 pm

The term is Watermelon; green outside and red inside

Duane
Reply to  Steve Case
October 11, 2021 7:39 pm

A green planet is not the end, but the means to their end of a socialist workers paradise, where the libs will be the only ones still possessing personal property.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Jerry Mead
October 12, 2021 6:37 am

How about 1000s of new coal-fired plants? And what do you think when these people are released from poverty? They will want cars, aircon, nicer houses with all the appliances. There will be a lot of concrete made, new roads, agriculture modernization, travel…. Yeah explosion describes added CO2 from it all. Problems? None, unless one considers the Great Greening and burgeoning harvests a problem!!

Jerry Mead
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 13, 2021 5:05 am

Precisely. Yet even now here in the UK when the unreliable chickens are coming home to roost at warp speed, nobody in Government appears to be tough enough to make those objective and very necessary decisions. Push through fracking permissions. Promote coal and gas in the absence of a real, provable downside. Launch a properly-costed plan for an expansion of the nuclear fleet. Stop patronising the leaders of heavy industry when they bring you unpalatable truths. And so on.

But I won’t be holding my breath.

Enginer01
Reply to  Ronald Stein
October 11, 2021 2:03 pm

It is a well-established fact that as standard of livings increase in a country, family size tends to decrease. This is offset by more of (of the fewer) members surviving to adulthood.

It is not well established, or, at least, not agreed upon, whether the increase in consumption for a population decreases faster or more slowly than the decrease in population size.

Most researchers recognize that if the poorer nations are brought up to the living standards of Europeans and North Americans, overall consumption of almost all goods will sky-rocket.

These considerations were central to the Club of Rome deliberations on optimum (maximum) world population size.
https://www.technocracy.news/club-of-rome-the-origin-of-climate-and-population-alarmism/

MarkW
Reply to  Enginer01
October 11, 2021 2:30 pm

Most researchers who make their living from climate science agree that unless more money is spent on climate science research, we are all going to die.

The belief that consumption must explode as world wealth approaches western standards is often cited by those who believe that we must spend more money on population control, administered by them of course. Actual economists on the other hand, are less convinced.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Ronald Stein
October 12, 2021 5:56 am

Ronald, did you know that Bangladesh was once one of the poorest of countries and for almost a decade their GDP has grown at an annual rate of 15%! Would you be surprised to know that in six years the birth rate has dropped from 6 kids to only 1 kid/ woman because of this economic miracle?

They built coal fired units to accomplish this. With the population now not replacing itself and not burning animal dung and sticks, they will have one of the biggest declines in per per family CO2 emissions over coming years. Coal is good for the environment in poor countries!

huls
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 12, 2021 1:18 pm

This. A there is no population bomb like the Malthusians and the extreme-leftist Club of Rome predicted. None. Whatsoever.
There are actually not that many people on this planet, they all fit in an area the size of Texas having a 10×10 meters plot of land. This just to visualize the small number of people.

The one sure way to reduce birth rates and thus population growth is wealth. Wllath comes from cheap and abundant energy aka fossil fuels.
And there you have it: expensive energy will see the earth’s population skyrocket.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  huls
October 13, 2021 1:46 pm

… they all fit in an area the size of Texas having a 10×10 meters plot of land.

That is a misrepresentation! Such a small area may accommodate their bodies and provide shelter from the elements, but it ignores the need for infrastructure, agricultural land, harvesting of natural resources to keep them alive, and space needed for manufacturing facilities. It overlooks the fact that of the remaining land, much of it is unsuitable for habitation because it is rugged mountains, swamp, desert, or subject to frequent floods. It ignores the toll on the human psyche when people are crowded together like termites, when humans evolved in an open savanna with low population densities.

Cities have violent crime rates much higher than rural areas, greater air pollution, and are more susceptible to pandemics.

markl
October 11, 2021 10:11 am

When those that advocate lifestyle changes to save the world lead by example I’ll start listening.

SxyxS
Reply to  markl
October 11, 2021 11:42 am

Come on man .
Our billionaire overlords have put so much effort to turn us into corrupted, celebrity worshipping morons to make us accept the contradiction of a tiny rich minority(celebrities,because we like them)inside a communist system
so the superrich minority can hide themselves and their wealth behind those celebrities.
From time to time they will even throw us a bone and give us a fake sense of justice by
destroying a celebrity and encouraging us to hate the fallen angel.

PS
I can guarant you that within this decade some billionaires will exactly do what you ask for as part of next level indoctrination (I’m even sure that those billionaires have already been chosen and that this shitshow has already started on a low level = prince harry&Megan Merkel)
and it will take several years for us peasants to realise that all those ascetic ex billionaires are still superrich and use the Rockefeller trick (foundation,NGO’s ,etc)
to appear poor (Have you ever wondered why there are no Rockefellers on Forbes billionaires list?)

Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 11, 2021 10:11 am

There must be something wrong with me.I don’t spend all my waking hours trying to figure out how to depopulate the planet like these clowns do. Does Britain really have a broken relationship with nature? Between the Badger Trust and all those Brits who feed hedgehogs in their gardens, it seems pretty solid to me.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 11, 2021 10:29 am

They must be punished for allowing large numbers of rare and endangered birds to be maimed, mutilated, and killed by their worship of the wind gods!

SxyxS
Reply to  Abolition Man
October 11, 2021 11:47 am

Well,you have to break some eggs to make an omelette is an old commie saying to justify all the attrocities.
Problem with windmills may be,that there are no more birds left to lay eggs .

n.n
Reply to  SxyxS
October 11, 2021 1:43 pm

The Green gauntlet.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  n.n
October 11, 2021 2:46 pm

More like, The Green Omelet.

Richard Page
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 11, 2021 11:10 am

We in the UK don’t have a ‘broken’ relationship with nature, we have a housing shortfall and the answer is to build more houses not to reduce the population to fit. I’m guessing that the author’s and contributors of this paper all live in inner cities or suburban housing areas and don’t have the first clue what nature or large open spaces are like.

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Richard Page
October 11, 2021 2:58 pm

Maybe Britain could solve the problem by accepting less immigration and illegal immigrants. Population prblem done.

Richard Page
Reply to  Robert of Ottawa
October 11, 2021 4:53 pm

Perhaps telling the French not to help them get across the channel might help. Even bribing them to do the job they’re supposed to be doing in the first place doesn’t work. As to legal immigrants – I have no problem with most of them being here, most are hard-working people with families over here as well.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
October 11, 2021 12:57 pm

Nobody is trying to figure out how to depopulate the planet. People are however trying to figure out how to cope with a declining population growth rate. In the UK the average woman has 1.8 children, in the EU it is 1.53 children per women. It doesn’t take genius to see what that those rates are going to lead to major impacts in the future that should be planned for.

Richard Page
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 11, 2021 1:43 pm

2 ways to deal with that information – encourage more births and build more houses (ie actually work towards solving the crisis) or just watch while the housing crisis gets worse in the short term, older people cannot be cared for; dying from neglect and a younger generation grows up knowing that complete indifference to the suffering of others is the only way to behave. You really want to live in a world like the second option?

October 11, 2021 10:18 am

make a comfortably arrogant western liberal herd yaks and live in a yurt for 6 months thru a Himalayan winter and he/she/it will quickly become a fossil fuel loving Conservative when they return. if they return at all, most wouldn’t make it 1 month.

SxyxS
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
October 11, 2021 11:55 am

Dude ,won’t happen.
Those white western liberals are so soft and unskilled that they wouldn’t survive a winter in Himalaya.
Half of them would commit suicide after 3 days without internet, the rest will suffer from virtue signalling withdrawals and lack of likes and thumb ups and the tiny rest of survivers will jump down the cliffs the day they run out of joss sticks.

n.n
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
October 11, 2021 1:45 pm

Liberalism is a philosophy of divergence, which breaks along the lines of generations, tribes, etc.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
October 11, 2021 5:04 pm

A conservative is a liberal that has been mugged.

2hotel9
October 11, 2021 10:19 am

Let all those who believe in and support this ideology gather at government facilities where they can be removed from the population, I support their choice 100%. Just like abortion, it is about choice, right?

n.n
Reply to  2hotel9
October 11, 2021 10:45 am

Abortion is Her Choice. Elective abortion is her Choice… and the feminists and masculinists approve.

2hotel9
Reply to  n.n
October 11, 2021 11:27 am

Yep, all about choice till you choose something that is not part of the leftists’ dogma. Then you will be forced to submit. Too many examples to list here just from the last 20 years.

n.n
Reply to  2hotel9
October 11, 2021 1:48 pm

Take a knee, beg, good girl, boy.

Tom Halla
October 11, 2021 10:20 am

More warmed over Malthusianism.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 11, 2021 11:11 am

3rd iteration Malthus.

HotScot
October 11, 2021 10:23 am

This in turn will help to mend Britain’s broken relationship with nature. …”

What effing broken relationship?

Thanks to mechanisation and fossil fuels, more people now that ever have the opportunity to commune with Nature.

The old Rest and be Thankful road in Scotland was so named because the cars of the 30’s, 40’s and even the 50’s struggled to negotiate the gradient without overheating, so reaching the top one could be thankful for the opportunity to rest the car. Before that, it was the horses that needed the rest.

Travelling around Scotland by car was the preserve of the wealthy, and it was still an arduous task with no conveniences of breakdown services being only a mobile phone call away.

Today, one can travel the length and breadth of the country easily, visiting the remotest parts in safety and comfort.

People like this writing ‘reports’ like this need to be taken out and flogged.

Oldseadog
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2021 11:58 am

Well, I was always told that it was the builders of the road that coined the phrase when they finally reached the top of the hill.

HotScot
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 11, 2021 2:06 pm

Very possibly, but my whole family understood it to be anyone, basically, that went up it walking, on horseback/cart or in early motor cars.

Oldseadog
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2021 12:01 pm

Pressed the send by mistake.
My old man used to burn up that road on a motorbike in the early 1920s.

HotScot
Reply to  Oldseadog
October 11, 2021 2:07 pm

I spectated on the Burmah overnight Rally that used the Rest and be Thankful as a stage in the 70’s.

Roger
Reply to  HotScot
October 12, 2021 5:57 am

It can’t have been named for car problems as it was named before cars were invented.

beng135
October 11, 2021 10:23 am

Communism is so early 20th century. A newer, more “efficient” totalitarianism is needed to control the masses. Orwell’s 1984 was an improved concept, and China is improving on that. But the western world and its indoctrinated culture via half a century of its “educational” system and the corporate media is catching up.

/sarc, but true

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Abolition Man
October 11, 2021 10:25 am

Eric,
It is indeed heartening to see that they espouse making workers labor later into life before they kill them off! The English must feel their hearts swelling with love for their government, just as patriotic Americans feel obeying their leaders’ desires to take up fentanyl use!
With encouragement from the Party of Davos and the CCP, it seems that liberal, Western democracies have been completely subverted by the corporate elite and their sociopathic sycophants!

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CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 10:28 am

“The report calls for a reorientation of economic priorities, away from constant growth in Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which benefits from an expanding birth rate and growing population.”

***********’

If this reorientation happens, do these brilliant light bulbs expect the birth rate to start falling on its own? What happens if it keeps expanding?

Will govt place controls on birth rates to implement this economic reorientation? How will govt decide who gets to procreate and who does not? Will young couples have to get a permit to have a baby? How will young couples react if they are refused a permit?

Once again, the hard Left is taking is cues from Orwell’s Nineteen-Eighty-Four. Sex was a crime in the novel and population was maintained through Artsem — artificial insemination. The real world Orwellian Big Brother thinkers are getting more dangerous and frightening with the passage of time.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 10:57 am

Artsem…..

Izaak Walton
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 1:26 pm

The birth rate across most of the highly developed world is already below 2 and falling. In the EU it is at 1.5 children per woman. Surely the sensible thing is to start planning for an economy that supports an aging and declining population.

Richard Page
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 11, 2021 1:48 pm

Oh what a great idea to solve the problem, Isaak. And if there are a few too many that are declining for the economy to support then isn’t the sensible thing to kill off a few thousand at a time so the economy and the lives of the precious young darlings aren’t negatively impacted? After all, isn’t that the sensible option? sarc

Hashbang
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 12, 2021 7:40 am

The sensible thing to do is to by whatever means possible encourage women to give up the pursuit of a career and return to the pursuit of raising a family! Importing millions of culturally incompatible immigrants isn’t the answer just in case anyone was wondering.

AndyHce
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 2:01 pm

So you don’t believe that most countries now have a birth rate below replacement? What information do you rely on?

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  AndyHce
October 11, 2021 4:04 pm

Andy:

My comment was intended to be critical of government-controlled birth rates which is what I suggest the environmental movement would probably like to see. I have not looked at what birth rates are actually doing now (and have been doing) around the world, and I do not keep tabs on them.

I probably should have worded the first sentence in my comment differently. I was merely replying to the sentence in the Population Matters report that I quoted.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 4:19 pm

And are you equally critical of Hungary’s efforts to raise the birth rate?

And you are misunderstanding the sentence from the population matters report that you quote. Given that birth rates across the western world are below 2.0 and falling it makes sense to look at how to manage the world’s economy to best manage the transition to a smaller and older population.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 11, 2021 5:18 pm

Izaak, your “… it makes sense to look at how to manage the world’s economy …” only makes sense to someone who trusts politicians and bureaucrats to plan his life. Remember the lyrics: “You can’t run your own damned life, I’ll be damned if you’ll run mine!”

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 11, 2021 5:55 pm

Izaak:

“And are you equally critical of Hungary’s efforts to raise the birth rate?”

No, not when they want to raise it if they believe it is too low. The issue I was addressing in my comment above was when govt controls to keep birth rates at a certain level are based on misanthropic belief systems (which occasionally pop up in the environmental movement) or just plain greed for power and control (Orwell’s novel).

Izaak, a free capitalist economy is flexible enough to make changes and adjustments to itself when it sees demographic changes in the population taking place (such as due to low birth rates). If they want help from the govt to do this, then so be it. But that should not consist of govt “management” of the economy.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 8:26 pm

Other than China I am not sure any government has ever had a policy or desire to reduce their national birth rate below replacement levels.

And a capitalist economy cannot survive or prosper in a country with a falling population. Capitalism requires growth to succeed so that there are profits to reinvest in the business and return profits to the shareholders. This can’t happen if every year there are fewer people to buy goods and companies have nothing to look forward to except decades of declining sales. On top of which with an aging population more and more resources will need to be put into looking after the elderly who are not economically active thus reducing the workforce available to grow the economy.

Simply put the coming demographic transistion is going to be a huge shock to the world economy and free market capitalism is unlikely to survive.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 12, 2021 6:11 am

“And a capitalist economy cannot survive or prosper in a country with a falling population.”

Izaak, did you read the title of the posting above? Robots — and other forms of automation. Like kiosks at fast food restaurants instead of a human order-taker.

It remains to be seen what will happen to free market economies as a result of falling birth rates and populations. Don’t count your chickens before they are hatched.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 12, 2021 7:21 am

“…reinvest in the business and return profits to the shareholders. This can’t happen if every year there are fewer people to buy goods and companies have nothing to look forward to except decades of declining sales.”

This I call the petri dish view of human bounds so beloved of Malthusians and totalitarians. Biologists, sociologists and other education-lite types are the linear thinkers that ‘anal’-ize and write books about it that always prove to be diametrically wrong. Simply they are the wrong people to be writing on a dynamic process.

Staring you gray folk in the face is the fact that human ingenuity is THE resource, a boundless resource. It is not a zero sum game. Free enterprise will find ways and create new demands to satisfy. You can sit back and relax and enjoy what must seem magical to you.

MarkW
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 2:34 pm

Birth rates have been falling rapidly, all over the world for the last 100 years.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2021 4:05 pm

But are they dropping enough for the Population Matters people?

Dave Fair
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
October 11, 2021 5:11 pm

But there are still plenty of hookers at Davos. Sex for me but not for thee.

J Mac
October 11, 2021 10:31 am

It all sounds so Utopian, doesn’t it? Are the starving Bhutanians ‘happy’? Really???

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  J Mac
October 11, 2021 12:56 pm

They own nothing, so they must be happy…

n.n
October 11, 2021 10:39 am

Planned parent/hood.

Roe, Roe, Roe your baby, violently down the river Styx.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  n.n
October 11, 2021 2:56 pm

The child at the center of the case, a daughter, was put up for adoption. Sometime later she found out who her birth mother was. Unsurprisingly, she never reconciled with her birth mother. Who’d have thought it?

Sweet Old Bob
October 11, 2021 10:39 am

“That does not mean that policies to address our ageing populations are not available now. The solutions are already understood and can be implemented by governments in the time scale needed. ”

Covid …

n.n
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
October 11, 2021 1:53 pm

Yes, on the data, Covid-19 was/is planned parent/hood, never an exclusive Choice and a wicked solution.

ResourceGuy
October 11, 2021 10:41 am
n.n
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 11, 2021 1:55 pm

Shared/shifted responsibility. The problem is progressive prices, not costs, driven by single/central/monopolistic forcings.

ResourceGuy
October 11, 2021 10:50 am

All of the productivity and automation gains will be needed to pay for the bad public policy spinning now, such as unsustainable social spending growth, paying for the policy-generated energy and grid crises, and paying unexpectedly for regional resource wars after shadow boxing climate change.

John the Econ
October 11, 2021 10:53 am

Utopian insanity. The millions of people per year who are arriving at our borders from the third world are not coming so that they can experience a planned “well being” economy that is no better than the ones they are fleeing. They want what most Americans have lived for over a century.

And just who wants to experience the stagnation that Japan has been stuck with for the last 25 years?

fretslider
October 11, 2021 10:58 am

Population Matters are a misanthropic bunch of loons. They hate people.

Chris Packham has clearly got up somebody’s nose…

“ Masked men blow up Land Rover in suspected arson attack at Chris Packham’s home”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/chris-packham-home-car-fire-b1935677.html

Ah, the smell of burning martyr…

Richard Page
Reply to  fretslider
October 11, 2021 11:18 am

Chris Packham gets up everybodies nose. He’s a moron that thinks that he should decide how people behave and what they’re allowed to do. I’m not surprised this has happened, just that it hasn’t happened before, many times.

fretslider
Reply to  Richard Page
October 11, 2021 11:23 am

My guess would be the agricultural community

He’s a classic Malthusian who doesn’t mind making money out of eco tourism

ResourceGuy
October 11, 2021 11:02 am

In the U.S., immigrants will need a lot of training on how not to work and how to rack up huge student loans without meaningful degrees. There will be a lot of adjustment for them to understand they live in a country that is uncompetitive and no longer makes things and orders it all from China by container ship. Good luck. If they do try to work it may be illegal activities in the eyes of EPA, OSHA, IRS, GSA, DoL, AG, and DHS. Better form a nonprofit voting block and learn to code climate models to get ahead.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 11, 2021 11:05 am

…and don’t let any of those kids go to work–that’s illegal. And don’t let the kids out on the street–that’s also dangerous.

Peta of Newark
October 11, 2021 11:03 am

Have they taken their cue from here:
Headline:”Average GP working three-day week
Telegraph

Not bad huh, £100 Grand (i.e. 3 times UK average salary) for half the work

And us muppets, led by the Donkey King Boris, were seen standing on street corners applauding them as they presided over the world’s second highest per-capita covid fatality rate

why am I not surprised or shocked?
Because it is all perfectly typical of:

  • Senior Management in both the health and civil services
  • Climate Science
  • Financial Services
  • Legal Services
  • UK Universities
  • UK Members of Parliament

Lazy no-good money grubbing parasites.
And they are going to, directly as per this story or indirectly by simply doing what they’re already doing, they are going to ki!ll their host

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fretslider
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 11, 2021 11:25 am

The BMJ advocates less testing etc to get the NHS carbon footprint down

Mr.
October 11, 2021 11:27 am

There should be an “Honor Board” on display at UN headquarters that lists all those who have made outstanding contributions to the promotion of “perceived human misery”.

Top order of that list would be the chiefs of the UN itself.

Followed closely by the by-line journalists of The Guardian.

And then all the alarmist “climate scientists”

If I can now borrow from “Jaws” –
“you’re gonna need a bigger board”

Sara
October 11, 2021 11:40 am

So…. in order to “save the planet” from us, we must eliminate us.

As long as it’s THEM FIRST,….

These people are really a sick bunch of slogs.

n.n
Reply to  Sara
October 11, 2021 2:04 pm

They advocate [elective] abortion for social progress, cannibalize profitable parts for medical progress, sequester carbon-based pollutants for [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] climate change mitigation. Planned parent/hood, too. Wicked.

Vuk
October 11, 2021 11:41 am

Solar storm warning:
‘We are awaiting the impact of a coronal mass ejection launched by an M1.6 solar flare that took place two days ago.
The impact is expected to occur within the next 12 hours. A moderate G2 (Kp6) geomagnetic storm watch is in effect.’
Follow it live on http://www.spaceweatherlive.com
Tromso today’s geomagnetic excursions:comment image

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Vuk
Reply to  Vuk
October 11, 2021 12:12 pm

Z- green: Vertical component of the Earth’s magnetic field strength, at the high latitudes (Tromso 69.65° N, 19° E) is very close to the ‘total field strength’.
D- red: Declination in degrees
H- blue: Horizontal component of the Earth’s magnetic field strength.
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/MFC.gif

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Vuk
Reply to  Vuk
October 11, 2021 12:35 pm
Vuk
Reply to  Vuk
October 11, 2021 1:03 pm

comment image

Dave Fair
Reply to  Vuk
October 11, 2021 5:28 pm

Well, Vuk, all the reds, greens and blues certainly look impressive! What does it mean to the average asshole on the street like me?

Vuk
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 11, 2021 11:50 pm

If you are aurora watcher in the north USA or Canads get your camera out, radio communications might be affected and possibly some power cuts in far north.
Google ‘geomagnetic storm’ and look for media reports of possible effects.

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leowaj
October 11, 2021 12:07 pm

It’s the clown world we now live in. Leftist ideology completely misses what undergirds any economy: reproducing human beings. Economy always reflects the activity of human beings. A “wellbeing economy” might at first be beneficial for those who are alive at the moment of its implementation. Machines will create food and houses and many other products for human consumption; money will be abundant; climate issues will be lessened (maybe). But then as this utopia carries on for a generation, the birth rate plummets catastrophically. Yet the propaganda in the “wellbeing economy” dismisses the impact of it, so people are comforted and pacified. With a birthrate hovering at or just above zero, plus the aging of the generation (which cannot be stopped), the effects begin to manifest: the maternal machines break down (Second Law of Thermodynamics) and no one is able to fix them; food production begins to slow down and hunger sets in; hunger leads to starvation, starvation leads to illness, illness leads to disease and death. At that point, the end of humanity comes because the generations that can reproduce cannot reproduce quickly enough nor will their children likely survive in such a disease-ridden world.

The imbeciles who craft these ideas either willfully hate humanity or they have their heads so far up their anuses that they lack all critical thinking skills.

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bluecat57
October 11, 2021 12:34 pm

Uh, “immigrants”? Aren’t immigrants humans who would INCREASE the population back UP?

n.n
Reply to  bluecat57
October 11, 2021 2:07 pm

Democratic gerrymandering. Redistributive change and lowered expectations.

Dave Fair
Reply to  bluecat57
October 11, 2021 5:30 pm

And they have higher birth rates.

bonbon
October 11, 2021 12:46 pm

The Club of Rome and it’s spin-off Davos are very clear, as is the UNESCO manifesto.
Build Back Better – for Fewer – eugenics with a green smirk. Davos’ Klaus Schwab :

his kind of development being undertaken in Ethiopia, “reveals the central conundrum of the combat against climate change. The same force that helps people escape from poverty and lead a decent life is the one that is destroying the livability of our planet for future generations. The emissions that lead to climate change are not just the result of a selfish generation of industrialists or western baby boomers. They are the consequence of the desire to create a better future for oneself.”

Huxley in his own words : 

Thus even though ¨it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of 
the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

Judgment at Nuremberg (1961) – It Was Only Temporary Scene (7/11) | Movieclips – YouTube

All the legislation being rolled out since 9/11 was supposed to be temporary?

bonbon
October 11, 2021 1:04 pm

Cop26: world poised for big leap forward on climate crisis, says John Kerry | Cop26 | The Guardian

Here we go – Pol Pot planned for a “super great leap forward”, inspired by Mao’s Great Leap Forward
What has Kerry in mind? A Hyper Leap Forward with Hyperinflation and famine?

Dave Fair
Reply to  bonbon
October 11, 2021 5:36 pm

Funny, that Kerry; nobody told the developing countries. And tell that to the U.S. Congress that would have to pony-up the largest part of the Green Fund.

Late November and December will be a hoot observing the media spinning COP26 into a smashing success. Buy popcorn now because there will be a shortage.

PaulH
October 11, 2021 1:14 pm

Well, there are robots and there are robots. 😉

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Chris Hanley
October 11, 2021 1:21 pm

Either by government diktat or corporate collusion Covid vaccination is becoming virtually compulsory.
Apparently happiness can be induced by a brain implant.
Once the principle has been established it’s only a matter of degree.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Chris Hanley
October 11, 2021 1:54 pm

Chris,
It’s not happiness, it’s the old adage that ignorance is bliss! Most Gretatards are ignorant to a level that would make them euphoric if they weren’t also as fragile as a soap bubble!
As far as the Fauxi virus diktats go, this walkout by Southwest pilots may be the beginning of the rebellion! If more professional groups, particularly nurses and doctors, start to revolt against our government morphing into a Fascist state the plandemic fear campaign is over!

Peter Fraser
October 11, 2021 2:32 pm

No doubt there will be young vibrant countries looking enviously at geriatric Britain there for the taking, or will it all be a robot war by then?

Robert of Ottawa
October 11, 2021 2:46 pm

KIlling billions is a transition?

Stephen Skinner
October 11, 2021 3:19 pm

This in turn will help to mend Britain’s broken relationship with nature. …”
While it could be argued the Britain has a broken relationship with nature, if measured by all the house building on farmland, I can’t square that with the abundant wildlife that I find in my garden. In all my years I have never had a garden that has Slow Worms, Newts, Frogs, Hedge Hogs, Mice, Insects of a wide variety including Dragon Flies, Damsel Flies, Butterflies and many bees, such as Miner Bees, Ground Bees, lots of Bumble Bees, a wide variety of birds including a Woodpecker, Owls and the odd Buzzard and Red Kite passing overhead. The plants and trees seem to have no trouble growing, and growing. Actually Britain’s relationship with nature used to be combative as for millennia it was able to shorten your life. As people like Jordan Peterson have pointed out, when people become wealthy they can afford to look after nature and that is roughly what has happened. Burning coal in Industrial quantities created the wealth and conditions for a more benevolent relationship with nature. Environmental extremists are likely to break the relationship with nature and in very bad ways, as evidenced with the forest fires in Australia and California and the destruction of Rain Forest to grow Bio Fuels, so as to ‘save the planet’.

Paul of Alexandria
October 11, 2021 3:50 pm
H.R.
October 11, 2021 8:37 pm

Robots for all just might work out if they can design a robot with sufficient dexterity and troubleshooting algorithms to repair the robots that are on the fritz.

However, I suspect that if they have sufficient AI to repair other robots, they will become just as difficult and unreliable to get out to your house as so many trades are prone to today.

Tuesday: “You say your robot is down? I can make it out the week after next.”

  • Grumble, grumble, grumble.

Thursday, two weeks later: “Please leave a message at the beep.”

  • Where the #@&! are you?!? You said two weeks

Wednesday the following week: “Sorry about the delay getting back to you. I was down for a week and I had to wait for a repair. I think I can squeeze you in next Monday.”

  • Aaaaaaaaarrrgh!!!!! $#@& bleepin’ robots!




You just know in your heart I’m right 😜

Roger
October 12, 2021 4:12 am

I don’t think the ONS counts the half million illegal immigrants crossing the English channel every year.

huls
October 12, 2021 1:10 pm

Those revelling in this particular solution seem to forget that the Japan model comes with a no entry whatsoever for “asylum seekers” also known as young healthy man of fighting age dressed in designer jeans and Nike’s who are follwing Soros’s instuctions on their latest model iPhones.

In 2019 Japan granted asylum to 44 seekers. I call that very very generous if not overdoing it.

Clyde Spencer
October 13, 2021 1:30 pm

Eric, are you trying to convince us that food insecurity doesn’t enhance happiness? 🙂

Redge
October 15, 2021 11:35 am

Let’s not forget Population Matters (the odious David Attenborough) published a spreadsheet showing exactly where the cull is to begin

Redge
October 15, 2021 11:39 am

If you haven’t read Michael Shellenbergers book yet, it contains a whole chapter on how people like Population Matters are using global warming as an excuse for depopulation

Apocalypse Never

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