Germany’s parliament voted on Friday to formally accept most of a climate protection packet. The legislation aims to cut Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions to 55% of the 1990 levels by 2030.
German lawmakers voted to enshrine climate protection in law on Friday.
The new legislation will target sectors like energy, transport and housing. It aims to cut Germany’s greenhouse gas emissions to 55% of the 1990 levels by 2030. Parts of the so-called “climate packet” still need approval.
“Every minister who doesn’t stick to the goals will have to explain themselves to this chamber,” said SPD lawmaker Matthias Miersch in parliament. The law will set goals in each government department to reduce CO2 emissions.
Incentives will also be introduced for businesses and agencies who operate in an environmentally friendly way.
This could mean that flying will become more expensive, while trains will become cheaper in Germany. A CO2 traffic charge will be introduced as well as charges on businesses that produce a large amount of CO2.
The legislation will cost around €54 billion ($59.5 billion) by 2023, in part financed by these charges.
HT/Pat
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Let’s see. Wind energy is most productive in the plains and solar most productive in the dessert. Germany has neither. I know- let’s throw up a lot of wind and solar in Germany. Oh- and let’s shut down the nukes over a tsunami in Japan even though that risk doesn’t exist in Germany. German power prices run about 33-34 cents a KWH. Last time I looked that was the second highest of all the worlds countries. And its headed higher. Heavy industry that uses a lot of power produces uncompetitively priced products at those prices. So Germany subsidizes its industries with cheaper power while the masses struggle. Several WTO complaints have already been filed over these subsidies because they are clear WTO violations. I remember when the Germans were smart.
The emissons from pellets are not calculated as “carbon neutral” but they “reduce” the German CO2 footprint by a given factor.
Whew! Just in time for the COP25 Sham-wow climapalooza virtue signaling -fest in ten days. That was close. Now when they get called to account on what they have done, they can trot this shiny new legislation out and say “See? We’re doing our part!”
Oops, 16 days. The question is, will St. Greta make it in time? Gonna be close.
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I wonder if Greta approves of their fishing, as shown on the first page of their blog, seeing as she is said to be vegan?
Germany is still seeking forgiveness.
They’re afraid Hitler still lurks.
Is it? I don’t know about that.
I can tell you they are absolutely, totally honest about their history: I visited Berlin’s Deutches Historisches Museum 2 weeks ago and not a single fact about the Nazi era – or the East German – was missing from the displays. Upsetting: accurate.
(On a lighter note, they also hav eNapoleon’s hat from Waterloo in there and some of his hankerchiefs!)
We’re honest about our history because we’re asking for forgiveness. The least we can do is admit it all. Several concentration camps are now museums. Every schoolchild visits one at age 14/15.
On the other hand, my generation (milennials and younger) are kind of fed up with Nazi history and with our politicians constantly apologizing for what happened when our grandparents were children. Two years of history class dedicated to the Third Reich.
“And what’s the connection to pochas94 post ?”
There isn’t any, she was responding to griff.
I answered griff too. Only a blockquote-typo
Correct:
But look at Bolivia, with a Nazi coup underway exactly like the Ukraine Maidan a couple of years on. Notice the exact same profile.
The connection, one may ask?
Hitler was a bankers boy, his finance and economy minister Schacht , founder of the Bank of International Settlements, set up the labor camps, now portrayed as museums. As Keynesian economist Abba Lerner blurted out in 1971 in NY, ” if Germany had accepted austerity, Hitler would not have been necessary.”
You will not hear that in German classrooms, I think.
Follow the money trail. Regime Change , a term today openly used in polite company, did not start with Iraq, Syria, Libya, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, Hong Kong, …..
And of course Iran, with the assassination of Mossadegh, to prevent the nationalization of the Anglo-Persian Oil Company, later BP.
For Mr. Bolton, duly fired by Trump, Iran was top of the list for yet another “regime change”.
Modern German rewrite of history is based on blatant lie that National Socialists a.k.a. Nazis were conservative a.k.a. right.
Correction: all socialists, including national ones, are revolutionaries. They are left wing.
Just read books by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.
Preemptive Answer: what credentials has Kuehnelt-Leddihn? He’s books were banned and burned by National SOCIALISTS!
So anyone who disagree today with Kuehnelt-Leddihn is “literally Nazi” 🙂
Modern German rewrite of history is based on blatant lie that National Socialists a.k.a. Nazis were conservative.
Correction: all socialists, including national ones, are revolutionaries. They are left wing.
Just read books by Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn.
Preemptive Answer: what credentials has Kuehnelt-Leddihn? He’s books were banned and burned by National SOCIALISTS!
So anyone who disagree with Kuehnelt-Leddihn is literally Nazi.
Add Germany to the list of crash test dummies for renewable energy. Being the center for the start of the Green movement this doesn’t surprise. Actually it’s a godsend as it will hasten the fall of the EU and send a clear message to the rest of the world.
I would call this parasitic legislation — using the latest call to social/environmental justice as something to hitch taxes to, just to raise more money. Never mind the factual reality. If it raises money, then it’s good.
I guess the German politicians won’t wake up until they crash their economy/country into the Wall of Reality, in their zeal to reduce CO2.
I’m so going to miss their wonderfully fun (terribly unreliable) cars 😟
Ha,
is not bad, no bad at all, in principle at least.
Engaging the tax system legally and directly to deal with the CO2 footprint of the businesses
and industry and the economy at large, may end up at some point in legally being forced to depart with useless ventures that do not justly account for the waste caused to the economy.
Technically, a “large CO2 amount” legally can only be defined in the consideration of input to output in relation to the gain, in all sectors considered.
In consideration of energy sector, wind and solar actually rein in such as “”large CO2 amount” and useless wastes, where in industry EVs are the same,
and where in politics policies forced by UN (IPCC and FCCC) will consist as a platform only facilitating a global strict control over the global economy, manufacturing, production, infrastructure and energy sector,
aka a proper quasi total global control.
The only expected gain there, the absolute control power over the world.
Nothing else than that. A huge unjustifiable CO2 amount to consider.
Oh, yes, it is a heavy handling through the tax system by way of legislation,
with a lot of chance there to be going silly and
out of control and with lots of losses,
especially if applied in a “hail mr. Stalin” fashion. (or “Hail mr. youknowwho”)
But in the end laws are abiding, regardless of extreme doctrines and stupid propaganda there…. or else a nation goes really bananas.
cheers
Hellbent on selfdestruction; nothing new here…
Want to generate less CO2?
Use Nuclear Power!
Dang, that was easy.
I don’t know if the CIA still commands respect as an authority , but it has a list of budget surplus or debt as % of GDP by country , estimated, for 2017:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2222rank.html
The country at the top of the list is Tuvalu with a surplus of 25% of GDP , Germany is 24th with a budget surplus of 0.7% . Given the size of the German economy that must be a huge amount of money . Why does it need to raise taxes so much? It seems to me that it is less a money raising venture than a genuine , if misguided in my opinion, attempt to “save the world ” by self denial.
They are at least in a better position to do so than the UK with a debt % of -3.6, and far better placed than Venezuela, with some of the richest oil deposits in the world, and a debt% of -38, third from the bottom.
Save Deutsche Bank, more like it. Even a cursory look at financial sites shows the extreme crisis there.
Not savable as is, without Glass-Steagall re-structuring.
Not on that “CIA” list is derivatives, a kind of covert shadow finance, naturally.
Germany is using green think as opposed to normal logical thinking and analysis.
German Politicians cannot accept reality and it is easy to get ‘green’ government analysts to lie through their teeth producing large purposeless fat documents that hid the lies.
Germany has installed sufficient sun and wind gathering to meet German’s total current electrical energy needs if the German engineers had or could buy magic batteries, that store energy for months and are free.
Obviously as there are no magic batteries, Germany cheats by exporting half of their wind based electricity to other countries who then get hydrocarbon or nuclear energy back. i.e. Cheating, scheme fails.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/21/germanys-green-transition-has-hit-a-brick-wall/
n 2017 about half of Germany’s wind-based electricity production was exported. Neighboring countries typically do not want this often unexpected power, and the German power companies must therefore pay them to get rid of the excess. German customers have to pick up the bill.
Germany has installed solar and wind power to such an extent that it should theoretically be able to satisfy the power requirement on any day that provides sufficient sunshine and wind. However, since sun and wind are often lacking – in Germany even more so than in other countries like Italy or Greece – the country only manages to produce around 27% of its annual electric power needs from these sources.
When batteries are required spending more and more money does not solve the problem.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-google-engineers-say-renewable-energy-simply-wont-work/
In reality, well before any such stage was reached, energy would become horrifyingly expensive – which means that everything would become horrifyingly expensive … ….everyone would become miserably poor and economic growth …
Even if one were to electrify all of transport, industry, heating and so on, so much renewable generation and balancing/storage equipment would be needed to power it that astronomical new requirements for steel, concrete, copper, glass, carbon fibre, neodymium, shipping and haulage etc etc would appear. All these things are made using mammoth amounts of energy: far from achieving massive energy savings, which most plans for a renewables future rely on implicitly, we would wind up needing far more energy, which would mean even more vast renewables farms – and even more materials and energy to make and maintain them and so on. The scale of the building would be like nothing ever attempted by the human race.
Those gosh-darn Germans. Always up to shenanigans…..
Attention German shop owners: stock up on yellow vests.
William Astley
Your comment shows this typical blah blah written by people who put their subjective thoughts far above reality.
The reality is that everybody in this country becomes sad about this lot of lignite-based plants which are, apart from their incredible SOx/NOx pollution, since over 70 years the cause for the destruction of several villages and small communities.
And we are also sad of nuclear energy producing electricity but without telling us what will happen with the waste increasing all the time. We don’t have Nevada deserts here!
And nobody here wants the aquifers getting polluted over the long term by the inevitable consequences of fracking. NO THANKS!
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The actual strategy is a mix of all available sources (net numbers, i.e. internal consumption subtracted):
– 20 TWh hydro
– 50 TWh gas
– 50 TWh coal
– 50 TWh solar
– 50 TWh biomass
– 70 TWh nuclear
– 110 TWh lignite-coal
– 140 TWh wind
Das Beste zum Schluss – the best for the end:
“Germany has installed solar and wind power to such an extent that it should theoretically be able to satisfy the power requirement on any day that provides sufficient sunshine and wind. However, since sun and wind are often lacking – in Germany even more so than in other countries like Italy or Greece – the country only manages to produce around 27% of its annual electric power needs from these sources.”
Where the heck did you read that???
I read from a really informed source rather this:
“The share of net public electricity generation, ie. H. the
Power mix, which actually comes from the outlet, is about 47%. The share of renewable energies in total gross electricity generation is approximately 41%”
Data source:
https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/de/documents/publications/studies/daten-zu-erneuerbaren-energien/ISE_Stromerzeugung_2019_Halbjahr.pdf
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You can’t imagine how people in the industry laugh about such statements like yours! Everybody there uses soalr energy they didn’t pay anything for, due to subsidies politics since 1998.
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And… Germany still did not really manage to start using offshore wind energy. We are far from what has been promised ten years ago! Lobbyism is king everywhere.
Without researching your numbers (and whether they really produce 47% of their needs via wind/solar when they can actually use it, vs exporting surpluses during low useage times at low prices), just tell us how much electricity costs in Germany, particularly in light of your comment, “Everybody there uses soalr (sic) energy they didn’t pay anything for…”
Electricity prices should be very cheap. So, please, post a typical electric bill for us to see.
jtom
1. Like Astley, you seem to have difficulties in reading comments.
I wasn’t talking about
– electricity costs;
– private people like… me.
“You can’t imagine how people in the industry laugh about such statements like yours! ”
It is as it is: the very first recipients of subsidies were small and medium-sized enterprises, who
– didn’t pay anything real for their solar infrastructure;
– were allowed to transfer their surplus energy to the grid at unbelievable prices.
These are the two main reasons for high electricity prices in Germany.
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Conversely, electricity prices are very low where nuclear power is in heavy use, for example in France.
Simply because the costs for dismantling were since decades systematically underestimated, if not even ignored.
In 1978 for example, the dismantling costs for the 4G breeder Superphenix were estimated at incredible 50 million US$!
Since 2007, the dismantling is in operation, and the costs were estimated at 1 billion.
Who do you think will pay for that?
The low costs for today’s electricity will have to be paid by the children and grand-children of today’s lucky consumers…
“Everybody there uses soalr energy they didn’t pay anything for, due to subsidies politics…” Everybody = EVERYBODY; Solar energy (in this discussion) = electricity
Everybody uses electricity they didn’t pay for. The antecedent of the pronoun ‘they’ in your sentence is ‘everybody’. If ‘they’ refers to the people in the industry, referred to in the previous sentence, then you need to learn how to write clearly.
Why write so many words when everything you say is made up? More words less ideas.
Do you and your sources have a problem with reality? What is the German sun and wind utilization rate?
German sun and wind gathering is name plate total 73,000 MW.
So, if June 21 was sunny and the all wind turbines were at capacity on June 21, theoretically sun and wind combined could produce 73,000 MW.
The problem for Germany is the maximum total solar and wind for the best day has less than half of the best possible 38,000 MW and opposed to 73,000MW and the worst day for green energy was 29MW.
Part of the problem is very poor utilization rates. Utilization rate is the average power the green stuff produces as a percentage of the nameplate rating of the green stuff.
The idiotic Germans installed wind turbines in locations where there was insufficient wind and regions that are cloud and too far north so the average capacity wind and sun utilization rate is a pathetic 17.4% for wind and 8.3% for solar.
Astley
“Why write so many words when everything you say is made up? More words less ideas. ”
Do you have problems in reading comments?
https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/content/dam/ise/de/documents/publications/studies/daten-zu-erneuerbaren-energien/ISE_Stromerzeugung_2019_Halbjahr.pdf
Read that, by using e.g. Google’s Translator, and come back here when you have understood the stuff.
Hi Bindidon,
Go to page 20 and 21 of the document you linked to which was produced for a German Solar company.
The best month for solar in Germany produced 5.7 Twh.
The problem is the worst six months for solar in Germany was average 1.38 Twh which is pathetic. There should have been logically no solar installed in Germany.
There need to be a load for the solar generated power and note this is month average so the noon time solar peak highest month will be say three times higher?
Same problem though not as ridiculous for German wind power.
The best month for wind was 14.7 Twh the average wind for the year was only 8.5 Twh.
Nuclear (Fission) Breakthrough
P.S. There has been the rediscovery of unbelievably simple liquid fuel fission reactor design that is six times more fuel efficient than the pressure water reactors, that has no fuel rods, no water, operates at atmospheric pressure, that is sealed, that has no catastrophic failure modes,.
The new fission reactor (660 Mw) is walk away safe on loss of power, loss of controls, loss of human operators using an integral passive cooling system for backup. The rediscovered fission reactor design is mass produceable, is a tenth the size of a pressure water reactor and its stuff and is hence truckable to site.
The advanced no water, atmospheric operating temperature, liquid fuel reactor design was built and tested in US 50 years ago.
The test has a complete success and test data was hidden. A Canadian company, Terrestrial Energy got the test data and have copied the original design with small improvements. Terrestrial Energy have reached stage 2 of the Canadian regulatory approval for Canadian test sites and have received funding for a US test.
AND it can burn the radioactive waste generated by previous generations of nuclear power plants.
Toto
“AND it can burn the radioactive waste generated by previous generations of nuclear power plants.”
Ha ha ha hahaaa!
Let me guess, Toto: you are exactly as ignorant and gullible as all the people who never in their life have seen how nuclear waste looks like, and what it does consist of!
Worldwide millions of tons of steel, zircon – and of U238 no one could ever use, as it is contaminated, can’t be burned, can’t be used for anything, as you can obtain that stuff from those who had, during the last seven decades, the job to enrich the uranium fuel from 0.7 up to 3.5 %.
To burn what could be burned (U232, U233, some actinides, etc), you have to extract it out of all that material, just like Pu239 and the non-burned U235 have been during reprocessing.
No one, Toto, would ever be ready to do that.
You are a dreamer, Toto.
burning weapons-grade plutonium
https://phys.org/news/2018-01-thorium-reactors-dispose-enormous-amounts.html
“Transatomic has designed a system that can use different types of fuel, including materials that are discarded as waste from traditional nuclear plants. We might as well eke a little more power out of it instead of sealing it up in metal caskets for 100,000 years, right?”
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/187917-startup-gets-funding-for-its-molten-salt-nuclear-reactor-that-eats-radioactive-waste
This Nuclear Reactor Eats Nuclear Waste
https://www.fastcompany.com/3043099/this-nuclear-reactor-eats-nuclear-waste
Technical info here:
https://www-pub.iaea.org/mtcd/publications/pdf/te_1450_web.pdf THIS LINK DOESN’T WORK Mod
Dreamer? No more than your average Green. Given, there may be some technical difficulties and surprises in reprocessing spent fuel. Some of that is done now and used in MOX. Definitely worth exploring, not rejecting out of hand.
https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/nuclear-fuel-cycle/fuel-recycling/processing-of-used-nuclear-fuel.aspx
“If France and other nations can do it, why can’t we?”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/10/01/why-doesnt-u-s-recycle-nuclear-fuel/
Very Interesting article discussing things I did not know existed, have marked link that doesn’t work, Should this be promoted to a post as opposed to a reply? Second and third opinions would be helpful! Andrew Harding
We have known for a very long time that “spent fuel waste” from nuclear plants can be reprocessed on site and re-used over and over. There is absolutely no need to bury it at all. It’s political will, media propaganda and fear that prevents this from happening. If the will was there and the propaganda and fear were gone, we would have unlimited energy and also solve the CO2 “problem” for the rest of human existence.
That link works for me. But here is more information about it so it can be found other ways.
“Thorium fuel cycle — Potential benefits and challenges”
IAEA-TECDOC-1450
May 2005
ISBN 92–0–103405–9
ISSN 1011–4289
International Atomic Energy Agency
That is a bit old. There is more to explore here:
http://thoriumenergyalliance.com/ThoriumSite/objectives.html
Just as I said.
In 2018, January 1 according to trustworthy green sources German energy from renewables covered 100 percent of their electrical use for it is assumed one day.
German wind farm nameplate capacity is more than five times the average wind farm power 17.8% provided per year.
The Germans installed wind turbines and solar cell in silly sub-optimum locations as the wind farms are heavily subsides. It is look, not reality, that is important to the Green agenda pushers.
Just as brainless Communist party officials once did in China.
So for one all German windy day, wind power provide close to the German electrical total load.
https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/renewables-cover-about-100-german-power-use-first-time-ever
Germany has crossed a symbolic milestone in its energy transition by briefly covering around 100 percent of electricity use with renewables for the first time ever on 1 January.
“This could mean that flying will become more expensive, while trains will become cheaper in Germany. A CO2 traffic charge will be introduced as well …”
Take note that the Left’s agenda across the West is to tax and legislate people out of private transport and onto public transport. Or, to be more precise, it is to tax people on low incomes out of private transport and air travel, but not the wealthy, to whom the taxes are just pocket change. It’s always the same, isn’t it? Whether it is mass immigration, the ‘climate’ hoax , economic globalization, or any other aspect of the Left’s agenda, it is ALWAYS the people on the lowest incomes who pay the highest price.
Electric power production in Germany:
https://www.agora-energiewende.de/service/agorameter/chart/power_generation/09.11.2019/16.11.2019/
So it’s easyto see, there is no chance to supply the whole country with ‘green’ electric power.
End of 2019 the next nuclear power lant, Philippsburg2, will be disconected from the grid. Nobody knows how to compensate for 11 TWh this plant delivered last year. Hopfully the French will help us out wit there nuclear power plants.
Stefan Parzer
Who, do you think, will pay for plant dismantling and final processing of nuclear waste?
You and me will certainly not have to (I’m about 70).
As long as we lack ability for mass storage of intermittent wind/solar energy, there will be only one solution: natural gas plants.
Is that not OK for you? For me it is.
You know when a country is doomed when the leader of the nation, in this case Angel Merkel while on stage in front of the world’s media, angrily grabs the nations flag from on of the members on stage with her and throws it away right of stage.
Seems like all of the major EU states are heading down the same path.
@ur momisugly Bindidon
…you and me ( I am 73) we have allready payed for the dismanteling and storage of nuclear waste with our bills for the supply of electricity. About 50 billion $ are handed out to the government for this task by the NPP-operators. Gas power plants would be fine with me but we have only 13 in Germany. A few more are planned but without a deadline scheduled.
The total energie consumption (not only electricity) in Germany adds up to 3.660 TWh. Only 6,2 % are produced by ‘green’ sources like wind, sun, hydro and biogas.
Stefan Parzer
“The total energie consumption (not only electricity) in Germany adds up to 3.660 TWh. Only 6,2 % are produced by ‘green’ sources like wind, sun, hydro and biogas.”
Das weiß ich, Herr Parzer.
But please don’t forget to mention before that electricity consumption accounts for no more than 17% of the total, be it France or in Germany where you and I live…
@ur momisugly William Astley
“…Germany has crossed a symbolic milestone in its energy transition by briefly covering around 100 percent of electricity use with renewables for the first time ever on 1 January…”
That’s rubish. Never ever untill today Germany has produced 100 % electric power by ‘green’ sources: Check it out:https://www.agora-energiewende.de/service/agorameter/chart/power_generation/29.12.2018/03.01.2019/
Pay no attention to that Nordstream or Nordstream2 under your feet.
As a German I assume that about 50 % of the people are against this idiocity. But they aren’t heard. The state’s financed medias are leading the public opinon. The problem is that every citicien has to pay for the official broadcasting companies and media which are 90% leftist or green. Anybody who doesn’t agree is called a Nazi or Racist. Only few are daring to tell their opinon, facing problems getting a job or keeping it. There is even a telephone line where you can accuse anousnimously anybody who you suspect to be a Nazi if they state something against the public opinon. We are in a timeline near to Gestapo or Stasi or Gulag methods. Welcome animal farm and 1984.
Incentives will also be introduced for businesses and agencies who operate in an environmentally friendly way.
This could mean that flying will become more expensive, while trains will become cheaper in Germany –> This could mean that flying will become more expensive, and trains will become more troublesome in Germany.
https://www.google.com/search?q=deutsche+bahn+in+troubles&oq=deutsche+bahn+in+troubles&aqs=chrome.
German farmers stage tractor protest over climate measures:
https://www.google.com/search?q=German+farmers+stage+tractor+protest+over+climate+measures&oq=German+farmers+stage+tractor+protest+over+climate+measures&aqs=chrome.