The Liberals’ Covert Green Plan for Canada – Poverty and Dictatorship

by Allan M.R. MacRae

A highly credible gentleman wrote me as follows, concerning his recent conversation with an Ottawa insider.

The insider, he said, had been working on an advisory group to the Trudeau government. The group was not formed to discuss policy for the 5 year horizon that governments are usually interested in but to develop policies for the further future, 20 to 40 years out. The implication was that the group had concluded that the present economic model was flawed and had to be replaced. “Unregulated consumerism was unsustainable and people would have to learn to make do with less. The government would have to have more control over people to enforce their austerity and the wealth of developed nations would have to be redistributed to help undeveloped nations.”

These are not new ideas. For decades, intellectuals and politicians have argued that our consumer society, based on individual market demand, is a flawed system that generates waste, excess and environmental degradation.

The insider’s assessment also reflects the current underlying motivation behind the rise of climate change as the defining issue of our time. The words reflect the motives of environmentalists and climate activists who are using the climate “emergency” as a front for larger political and ideological ambitions. What they are pursuing as an economic revolution ushered in through the back door. They are yelling fire and then using the resultant fear to impose a new economic and political order.

In a recent Washington Post report, one of the leading players in the rise of New York Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s Green New Deal let the cat out of the bag. Saikat Chakrabarti, chief of staff for Ocasio-Cortez, said: “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all… Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”

Naomi Klein, in her new flamethrower, “On Fire, The Burning Case for a Green New Deal”, also makes it clear that the climate is a “powerful motivator” to overthrow capitalism. “The idea is a simple one: In the process of transforming the infrastructure of our societies at the speed and scale that scientists have called for, humanity has a once-in-a- century chance to fix an economic model that is failing the majority of people on multiple fronts. … Challenging these underlying forces is an opportunity to solve several interlocking crises at once.”

The clear intent is to use the global warming smokescreen to restrict economic and political freedoms by transforming Western countries into tightly controlled totalitarian states.

The idea that climate alarmism can be the foundation for radical economic change has a long history.

Dr. Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace provided an early warning of this covert socialist campaign in “Hard Choices for the Environmental Movement – The Rise of Eco-Extremism”, in 1994:Surprisingly enough, the second event that caused the environmental movement to veer to the left was the fall of the Berlin Wall. Suddenly the international peace movement had a lot less to do. Pro-Soviet groups in the West were discredited. Many of their members moved into the environmental movement bringing with them their eco-Marxism and pro-Sandinista sentiments.”

Justin Trudeau has stated that he admires the Chinese “basic dictatorship”. He said: “There is a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say we need to go green, we need to start, you know, investing in solar.”

Trudeau’s deeply flawed climate and energy policies have already done enormous harm to Canada. Governments have adopted costly, ineffective policies based on false global warming/climate change alarmism, the greatest scientific fraud in history. The foreign-funded green anti-oil-pipeline fraud has cost Canada over $120 billion in lost revenues, an enormous, needless loss. Living costs are increasing rapidly and living standards are falling.

On September 23, 2019, Justin Trudeau committed to net-zero carbon emissions by 2050 if re-elected.

Zero-carbon means huge changes for society. Prof Sir Ian Boyd, the government’s chief environment scientist, said the public had little idea of the scale of the challenge from Britain’s “Net Zero CO2” emissions target. Roger Harrabin of the BBC wrote: “People must use less transport, eat less red meat and buy fewer clothes if the UK is to virtually halt greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, the government’s chief environment scientist has warned. … We will all have to accept big lifestyle changes – travel less, eat less, consume less. But eventually some form of compulsion or rationing will be necessary, if climate targets are to be met. The Science and Technology Select Committee … officially announced “In the long-term, widespread personal vehicle ownership does not appear to be compatible with significant decarbonisation”. When they ultimately find themselves being told what they can and cannot consume, where they can travel and what foods they are allowed to eat, they will be furious about the way they have been misled.”

But these radical changes to society have even more catastrophic consequences. The socialists want total control, and have a history of extreme incompetence, environmental destruction and violent repression of dissent.

Radical green extremists have cost society trillions of dollars and millions of lives to date. Their 30-year effective ban of DDT and opposition to golden rice have blinded and killed tens of millions, mostly children under five.

Costly, ineffective green energy schemes have destabilized the electric grid, damaged the environment and squandered trillions of dollars of scarce global resources. Properly allocated, these wasted trillions might have ended malaria and world hunger.

The number of shattered lives caused by radical-green activism rivals the death tolls of the great killers of the 20th Century- Stalin, Hitler and Mao. Radical greens advocate similar tightly-controlled totalitarian states and are indifferent to the resulting environmental destruction and human suffering… …and if unchecked, radical environmentalism will cost us our freedom.

The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., is a retired former Professional Engineer and energy expert, who has conducted business on six continents, including several current and former Communist countries.

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nw sage
October 1, 2019 6:08 pm

Hard to feel sorry for the Canadians [I have lots of relatives living in BC and Alberta]. Just have to say “I’m sorry” they voted ‘those guys’ in!

Reply to  nw sage
October 1, 2019 8:34 pm

Alberta never voted in the “liberals”. This might finally trigger the growing separation movement.

Reply to  nw sage
October 1, 2019 8:36 pm

Alberta never voted for the “liberals”.

Capn Mike
Reply to  amirlach
October 2, 2019 8:51 pm

Come home, Jordan Peterson. Fight for your people.

Reply to  nw sage
October 1, 2019 9:52 pm

You bet they are sorry.
I wonder if Canadian schools teach history like Stalin collectivizing the Kulaks and Mao collectivizing rural China after promising the rural people that they could own the land that they worked on,( so long as they became communists), the debacle in Venezuela, which all ended up with millions dying of hunger?

And Trudeau wants to do this to Canada?

Canucks! Its time to get off your asses and to look after your country!

Reply to  Roger Surf
October 1, 2019 10:21 pm

There are reasons that Alberta is the most conservative province in Canada. And one of the biggest reasons is that it’s full of Ukrainians who wouldn’t exist if their ancestors hadn’t escaped from the communists in Ukraine, because those ancestors would have been killed. Those people know what happens if you let the commies take over.

Reply to  Roger Surf
October 2, 2019 12:37 am

What I find funny is that when a population stops rampant consumerism the “green” gov’t does its best to provoke more consumerism. Case in point Danes are being frugal and getting by with less so their government is allowing negative interest rates to penalize those “rich” who don’t spend their money. So far I have not seen any stories connecting the green “you don’t need more stuff it kills the environment” with the government saying “buy something or we will take your money with negative rates.”

Paul Penrose
Reply to  ironargonaut
October 2, 2019 10:04 am

Yikes! Negative savings rates? I’d bury my money in the back yard. I don’t suppose they considered all the unintended (destructive) side-effects that will create.

Reply to  ironargonaut
October 2, 2019 10:16 am

Hah, and the Danes don’t know how to bank elsewhere?

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  ironargonaut
October 12, 2019 8:14 pm

“Rocketscientist October 2, 2019 at 10:16 am

Hah, and the Danes don’t know how to bank elsewhere?”

Bob Hunter
Reply to  nw sage
October 2, 2019 11:18 am

Hillary & Justin had in common — there voter base reside where the high paying tertiary economy jobs are. Hillary & Justin also had in common, not knowing those tertiary jobs rely on the rest of the country providing the necessary products for them to live and prosper. i.e. the bankers, insurance, media, tourism, lobbyists, stock exchange, hedge funds, etc require the primary industry jobs outside the urban centers. Very easy for them to say: “I am going to put coal miners out of work”, “you are going to drive EVs” etc etc etc. And here in Canada, it is the Mineral Oils industries that subsidize the social programs across the country.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Bob Hunter
October 2, 2019 12:09 pm

I realize you are contrasting, not comparing the two, but I will give Hillary this: I don’t think she’s stupid.

Incredibly corrupt, hypocritical, entitled, mean and quite probably a drunk. But not stupid.

And while it doesn’t preclude Justin is all that as well (particularly the entitled part), he is stupid.

Bob Hunter
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 3, 2019 12:36 pm

I disagree, when it comes to economics, Hillary, at best is naive. When Hillary was in Africa last year some of her boasts included she won in districts representing 2/3 of US GDP, Dynamic districts, etc. i.e. she won in the areas that I pointed out earlier, the areas with high paid tertiary jobs/economy that need the ‘old economy’ jobs to survive. The old economy areas of the country are no less dynamic, nor stupid.

Only a ‘naive’ person on economics would say “I am going to put coal miners out of work’

Bob Hunter
Reply to  Caligula Jones
October 3, 2019 12:42 pm

btw FYI
Here’s a small sample of how many coal plants there are in the world today.
The EU has 468 plants building 27 more for a total of 495
Turkey has 56 plants building 93 more total 149
South Africa has 79 building 24 more total 103
India has 589 building 446 more total 1036
Philippines has 19 building 60 more total 79
South Korea has 58 building 26 more total 84
Japan has 90 building 45 more total 135
AND CHINA has 2363 building 1171 total 3534

Justin Burch
October 1, 2019 6:16 pm

“A highly credible gentleman wrote me as follows, concerning his recent conversation with an Ottawa insider.”

This highly creditable gentlemen is not doing Canada any favours by hiding behind a mask of anonymity. If this is indeed the existential threat to Canada’s democracy as he states, then it is time for him to come out of the shadows and name names before the election. Otherwise this is just noise and I have no patience with such garbage.

Reply to  Justin Burch
October 1, 2019 7:35 pm

Justin (aka Trudeau troll)- the radical greens in Canada are violent – the Calgary Petroleum Club was torched, as was the home of one of my friends, a retired oil executive. I doubt that you would have the courage to come forward as my informant has – it is so much safer to snipe from the bushes, like you do.

Bryan A
October 1, 2019 9:02 pm

Turdeau doesn’t sound particularly intelligent. Canada IS a developed nation and would become one of those that export $$$ at the expense of their GDP and prosperity

Reply to  Bryan A
October 1, 2019 9:47 pm

Trudeau doesn’t care about Canada. He’s an empty vessel used by the ‘elite’ who he believes will take care of him when Canada collapses as a result of his policies.

Nor did his step-father, of course. Between them they will go down in history as the two men who destroyed this country.

old white guy
Reply to  MarkG
October 2, 2019 5:24 am

Canadians will be 100% responsible for their own demise.

Reply to  MarkG
October 2, 2019 6:39 am

Mark, Justin Trudeau’s step-father was Fried Kemper. How will he go down in history as a man who destroyed this country? Am I missing something?

Reply to  MarkG
October 2, 2019 10:39 am

Boffin77, it’s a snide suggestion that Justin Trudeau’s biological father was Fidel Castro, not PET.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  MarkG
October 3, 2019 7:07 pm

To put it in popular culture terms, he’s like Baltar betraying the 12 Colonies to the Cylons, thinking that he’s going to be taken care of in cushy comfort.

But such traitors tend to come to ends like Baltar did in the original 1978 “Battlestar Galactica” movie, before the end was changed for redoing the movie as the TV series pilot with Baltar as the recurring bad guy.

Reply to  Bryan A
October 2, 2019 7:33 am

Trudeau’s goal is to be Secretary-General of the UN.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 2, 2019 10:58 am

Yeah, kinda like a kid’s goal is to be a major media star, but turns out to have a YouTube channel with a hundred subscribers…

Caligula Jones
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 2, 2019 11:01 am

Actually our Prime Minstrel’s goal is to make sure his blackface doesn’t stain his pillow.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 2, 2019 1:43 pm

“Trudeau’s goal is to be Secretary-General of the UN.”
First Reaction: why would anyone want that job?
Second Reaction: well maybe its the sort of figurehead job where he would do no damage
Final thoughts: no, he could find a way to screw up even in that job.

Reply to  Justin Burch
October 1, 2019 7:52 pm

Seriously. This election will determine whether Canada has any future. If people are going to vote to destroy the country, they should at least know it’s what they’re doing.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  MarkG
October 1, 2019 8:17 pm

No one is optimistic. We have a choice of 5 pretty fragile vessels filled with thin gruel.

They harp about “climate change” because the press has told them people care. I only know a couple of people who really think there is some major danger. The rest, by far the majority, think it is a crock.

One problem is the CBC which is the mouthpiece of the Liberal Party. Immediately after the last election, the Libs gave them $300m. Quid very pro quo.

It is very likely there will be a left-leaning minority government formed in a few weeks. The anger at the Libs is high enough to see them come third. There is a lot of room for a new party, but not if they are cut from the same cookie mould as the others.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 2, 2019 1:43 am

Good comments, thank you Crispin. Best personal regards, Alan.

Not only did Trudeau give the leftist CBC $300 million, he gave the struggling print media $600 million.

To date, the main contribution of Canadian media has been to ignore and suppress this story – which would normally be the story-of-the-year, but nobody wants to “bite the hand that feeds them”.

Canadians are being kept in the dark – even more than Americans and Brits, who face the same threat from the same extremists.


Jan E Christoffersen
October 3, 2019 8:30 am


The real venemous snake behind Justin Trudeau is Gerald “Machiavelli” Butts, a former WWF Canada director and the zealous mastermind behind the Liberals radical climate policy. He resigned several months ago over the SNC Lavalin corruption scandal but returned to direct the Liberals current climate-alarmist election campiagn.

October 3, 2019 9:39 am

Unfortunately Gerald Butts is back driving the re-election bid for Trudeau. He stated that he joined Trudeau as a “Volunteer” but new information has come to light that Butts is getting $285,000 dollars from a New York based think tank and those funds are coming from a Single Source contract issued by the Canadian Government. Shady does not describe the corruption in this Trudeau government.

Reply to  MarkG
October 2, 2019 7:26 am

Once a majority of voters receive more from government than they pay in taxes, your country is toast.

Steve Keppel-Jones
Reply to  MarkW
October 4, 2019 10:01 am

I suspect that allowing non-taxpayers to vote guarantees that that will be the situation eventually…

M__ S__
October 1, 2019 6:19 pm

Make no mistake. Leftists are the enemy of the people

October 1, 2019 6:19 pm

“makes it clear that the climate is a “powerful motivator” to overthrow capitalism. “The idea is a simple one: In the process of transforming the infrastructure of our societies at the speed and scale that scientists have called for, humanity has a once-in-a- century chance to fix an economic model that is failing the majority of people on multiple fronts.”

A false claim!
Capitalism is the economic model that is rescuing the entire world, even against their own governmental failures.

N.B. Klein and this ottawawa insider both ignore the only countries advancing against pollution, disease, nutrition, jobs, economy, etc. are the capitalistic ones. Elites may benefit in the socialist countries, but not lower classes.

Reply to  ATheoK
October 1, 2019 8:03 pm

>>Elites may benefit in the socialist countries, but not lower classes.<<

That’s the point.

Reply to  Cube
October 1, 2019 8:30 pm

North Korea is a great example of a low consumables society.

No cars, no oil, no natural gas, little electricity, little to no meat. Sounds like a zero carbon society.

No hate, everybody loves the Dear Leader.

The perfect Trudeau/AOC society.

old construction worker
Reply to  joe
October 2, 2019 5:53 am

You forgot their reeducation camps for friends and families.

October 1, 2019 6:24 pm

Nothing new but this has been called ‘conspiracy theory’ fodder for years. Now that the truth is coming to light the people are finding it may be too late to turn it back around to the status quo that allowed us to enjoy our health and high standard of living. In the US the obvious coupe to overthrow a Democratically elected government should be a wake up call to those that have doubts about the Marxist/Socialist world wide movement with the UN at the helm. All along people have been saying it’s not about the climate.

Reply to  markl
October 2, 2019 12:12 am


Later down the thread I give further examples of the agenda of activists which seems to be increasingly that of govts.

The trouble is that sceptics have been too ready to proclaim ‘conspiracies’ where none existed and after crying wolf for so long, when a pack of them turn up together the general public will just think they have heard it all before.


GREG in Houston
October 1, 2019 6:26 pm

While I agree that this would be quite problematic, Allan M.R. MacRae’s conversation with a “highly credible gentleman” who spoke with an “Ottawa insider” sounds a lot like the current state of the argument being given to impeach Trump.

Reply to  GREG in Houston
October 1, 2019 7:38 pm

Nice drive-by, sleazy Dave.

Certain Canadian journalists know the name of my confidential informant.

Len Werner
Reply to  GREG in Houston
October 1, 2019 7:43 pm

While I do see the apparent superficial similarities, maybe one might have greater respect for the credentials and credibility of the messenger in this case?

Reply to  Len Werner
October 1, 2019 8:20 pm

This story is highly reliable – this is Trudeau’s green-extreme covert plan for Canada. The Democrats in the USA have openly revealed a similar plan in their guaranteed-to-fail “Green New Deal”, as has the British government with their “carbon-free by 2050” fantasy.

As an energy expert, I can state with certainty that none of these plans will work – but that’s not their objective. The green extremists’ objective is totalitarian control, using the false climate scare as a smokescreen for their dark political objective.

Here is a recent related article by my confidential informant.
Certain trusted people at wattsup also know his true identity.
I have checked his credentials thoroughly and they are excellent. We have spoken many times.

By “Malcolm Carter”, September 19, 2019:

October 2, 2019 2:36 am


We discussed a response to a letter from the UK government I was going to submit over our climate change policy. Having given it further thought, I’m going to wait until the furore over Brexit has died down somewhat (in other words, when we leave on the 31st October!!).

However, during my period of reflection I reached the conclusion that assuming Boris Johnson (our newly appointed Prime Minister for those unfamiliar with UK politics) takes us out the EU, he will prove a popular and determined PM, something sadly lacking since Thatcher. More importantly, he’s proving himself moderately right wing, which makes a change from the procession of Labour leaders and left wing apologist Conservative leaders we have had since Maggie.

That being the case, there isn’t a hope in Hades that the UK will decline into socialism any time soon at the hands of climate change or anything else. So what’s going on?

I’m now convinced the UK Conservative government see’s climate change as an opportunity to address our national debt the Blair and Brown governments saddled the country with, which is proving a contentious and divisive political football that threatens to never go away.

Ridiculous one might think but I was informed of the position of The Brexit Party (TBP) on the matter. When challenged, it’s chairman, Richard Tice basically told the questioner to get lost, TBP aren’t interested. Which is strange as Nigel Farage’s (the political leader of TBP) old party, UKIP, had a well defined policy refuting climate change action altogether, in fact they had an MP devoted to the subject and a written policy which states:

The UK needs a mix of energy sources comprising nuclear, conventional and renewable. Brexit will allow the UK to set its own future energy policy, with lower prices and more secure supplies.

• Outside the European Union UKIP will remove the 5% VAT levy on domestic fuel.

• UKIP will scrap the Climate Change Act (2008), which requires the UK to achieve annual decarbonisation rates of more than 5% – a figure no other country in the world has ever, or is ever likely, to attain. The total cost of this wildly unrealistic legislation has been calculated at an eyewatering £720 billion, over a period of 40 years.

• UKIP will end subsidies for wind turbines and solar voltaic arrays. We will support renewable energy where it can deliver electricity at competitive prices.

• UKIP would seek to rejuvenate the UK’s coal industry, wherever that is possible.

There is little ambiguity in Nigel Farage’s former position on climate change from that manifesto promise.

Now, if on the 31st we Brexit, TBP are finished as a political entity, quite rightly because they are a single issue party. Nigel Farage can retire secure in the knowledge that he will go down in history as having, alone, changed the face of European politics without ever having held a seat in parliament. It will, however, will prove the end of the last meaningful political resistance to the climate change bandwagon.

So, whilst there would be hitherto unheard of resistance to Boris Johnson directly raising taxes to address our national debt, scaring the public with climate change allows him to impose stealth taxes, which is already happening.

However, we have yet to see how the relationship between Trump and Boris pans out, but they are both right wing, and the UK will be (thankfully) forced to trade with the US far more than has been the case over the last 40 years. Boris will not only be exposed to Trump’s resistance to climate change, but must align politically to make the most of the relationship in the face of China’s prolific economic growth.

Trump’s solution to the political effects of climate change is to trade out of it rather than tax people to conform to it. That will have a profound effect on Boris.

What has been genuinely puzzling me about the UK’s political attitude to climate change is that these things are usually a flash in the pan before being kicked into the long grass, never to be heard of again. So why does climate change have so much traction here? We know the BBC is a propaganda extension of the British government and it has been enlisted to propagate fear on the subject by the Cameron government and his successor, Theresa May. It will, therefore, only take a determined government to dictate to the BBC to back off climate issues they have been literally bombarding the public with on TV, radio and media. That’s the traditional ‘long grass’ method, if the BBC backs off, the issue is largely forgotten about. No more publicity for Attenborough and the 20 members of Extinction Rebellion touring the country presented as thousands by the BBC.

There is no burgeoning socialist utopia here now, although I entirely agree that the UN has an agenda of global governance, way beyond their original remit, but in time, they will go the way of the League of Nations.

I said when it first happened that Brexit would have global implications. I was universally laughed at. But for all the hysteria from the left over chlorinated chicken, this is the first time since WW2 that the first and fifth wealthiest countries, and the rest of N. America have had the opportunity to work together again without the ball and chain of the EU.

Nor do UK politicians, to a man/woman, believe in climate change. That is as plain as the nose on your face otherwise, why would they spend £5bn (£10bn+ according to some contractors) of taxpayers money to refurbish The Palace of Westminster, home to the House of Commons and the House of Lords, which sits mere feet from the river Thames at high water, only to see it swamped even before the refurbishment is complete? They no more believe in catastrophic climate change than you and I.

In the UK and the US at least, there will be resistance to climate change in the coming years, despite our former abject failure of a PM, Theresa May, pledging £1tn of taxpayers money to the subject in the forlorn hope that she can profit from the only ‘legacy’ she could possibly leave, but which will prove another in her long list of failures.

I’ll write that letter but not until the moment is right.

Reply to  HotScot
October 2, 2019 3:04 am

Hi HotScot my friend.

Britain must exit from the EU, which is drowning in its imbecilic high-energy costs based on the global warming scam.


On Europe:

Britain and the Magna Carta countries (the British Empire/ Commonwealth and the USA) sacrificed the best of our youth to save Europe during two World Wars. I have a great-uncle buried in France, killed in the last days of WW1, and an uncle who was the only surviving officer of his unit at the Dieppe raid during WW2, where he rescued the only ten surviving enlisted men – of the 110 who landed on the beach.

We owe Europe nothing, and I would never support another rescue mission, which appears increasingly likely. Europe is failing due to imbecilic leftist politics, and does not deserve to be rescued again.

I just returned from Thailand, where I met a French citizen. We spoke all evening at a party where everyone else spoke Thai and/or English. He said he was completely finished with Europe, and will move overseas as soon as he can. He spoke of the creeping takeover of France by radical Muslims and their violence against civilians and the authorities. I ventured that Europe was failing, and in mere decades would become little more than a museum due to its foolish leftist politics – he enthusiastically agreed.

On Brexit:

Britain will be vastly better-off out of the EU. The economic future of Britain should reside in a new Free Trade Agreement with the USA and the Commonwealth – as we leave Europe to fail under its imbecilic leftist/green energy policies.

Best, Allan

B d Clark
Reply to  HotScot
October 2, 2019 5:41 am

Scott let us not forget a key player in Johnson’s government Michael Gove, hes a slime bag who announced no new petrol and diesel cars after 2040, hes just waiting in the wings to implement the near total destruction of UK agriculture, a whole raft of environmental restrictions, I voted to leave the EU, nothing was said about what they were going to do in the above matters till after the vote,in other words a whole mandate of what amounts to restrictions against the people,that the people never knew about, of course having a trade deal with the USA exactly plays into Goves hands, the UK whatever party is in control will go down this left wing agenda road, it suits Johnson because it takes power away from the people though unmandated legislation and gives it to the rich corporations ,this has already been happening for years,Brexit I’m very sad to say will be the final nail in the coffin.

October 1, 2019 6:40 pm

Canada’s future consists of five miles of ice on top. Best to prep for that.

Reply to  Pittzer
October 1, 2019 8:16 pm

In the Church of Global Warming, Canadians should be on their knees praying for global warming.

It has always been a mystery to me why any Canadian would be against Global Warming. Canada would be the big winner.

Reply to  H.R.
October 2, 2019 2:49 am

Hi HR – Almost every country would benefit from a warmer world. Here is why:

Earth is colder-than-optimum for humanity and the environment…
Excess Winter Deaths occur worldwide, even in warm countries like Thailand and Brazil …
A rough (probably low) estimate of Excess Winter Deaths is about 2 million souls per year worldwide.

Globally, cold weather kills about 20 times as many people as warm and hot weather. Excess Winter Deaths in the USA average about 100,000 per year – that is two 9-11’s per week for 17 weeks EVERY YEAR.

Excess Winter Deaths are calculated as the difference between deaths in the four winter months (December through March in the Northern Hemisphere) less half the deaths in the eight non-winter months.

The radical greens could not be more wrong, and they know it. Contrary to green propaganda, atmospheric CO2 is far too low, and Earth is colder-than-optimum for humanity and the environment.

As I have discussed in detail elsewhere, atmospheric CO2 is not too high, it is far too low for optimal plant and crop growth, and far too low for the continued survival of terrestrial life on Earth. CO2 reduction and sequestration schemes are not just wrong, they are costly, destructive and imbecilic.

Excess Winter Deaths occur worldwide, even in warm countries like Thailand and Brazil (reference below) . A rough (probably low) estimate of Excess Winter Deaths is about 2 million souls per year worldwide.

A shocking fact:
More than 50,000 Excess Winter Deaths occurred in England and Wales during the winter of 2017-18 – an Excess Winter Death rate about THREE TIMES the per-capita average in the USA and Canada.

Proportionally, that is about 35,000 more deaths in the UK than the average rates of the USA and Canada. Excessively high energy costs in the UK due to false global warming hysteria are a major part of the cause of these Excess Winter Deaths – thanks to the global warming alarmists and their corrupted minions in government and institutions.

Regards, Allan

by Joseph d’Aleo and Allan MacRae, September 4, 2015

Reply to  H.R.
October 2, 2019 2:52 am


That’s why it’s been framed in terms of sea level rise, extreme weather, poverty and, of course, methane released with thawing permafrost across billions of acres in Canada and Russia.

The fact that those billions of acres could be put to the plough to feed a growing global population the gullible masses also squeal about, entirely bypasses their restricted imagination.

Bob Cherba
October 1, 2019 6:59 pm

They should initiate implementation of their totalitarian plans by drastically cutting the pay of the planners academics who support these changes. That way they can see what it’s like reduce their standards of living by reducing their buying power. See how they like what they want to force on the unwashed masses.

Caligula Jones
October 1, 2019 7:00 pm

Someone asked me if I thought the zombies who trotted through downtown Toronto last week are scaring the Conservative Party (we’re having an election sometime soon, I’ve blocked out the noise).

“Well, you have to back out the ones too young to vote (although the left wants to lower the age to 16), then the ones who won’t vote anyway (sloth, politics or too dumb to find out how), THEN you split most of the rest evenly between the Liberals of Prime Minstrel Zoolander, the Green Party, and the NDP (i.e., think AOC but dumber).

So, no, I think the Tories are hoping for even more green nonsense. Doesn’t hurt them at all.

Robert Wager
October 1, 2019 7:00 pm

Canada moves between slightly left of centre to slightly (or a tad more) right of centre regularly. The far left is never considered for a national government as the majority think the platform of the far left, NDP and Greens are not viable.
This alleged hidden agenda from the Liberals will not play well with the population.

Reply to  Robert Wager
October 1, 2019 7:52 pm

The Liberals have a reasonably strong core and history of being a basically pro free-market business party. When Jack Layton’s NDP swept Quebec and looked like a contender for winning the federal election Liberal voters abandoned the party and voted Conservative. It resulted in Harper’s majority government and I think the lowest Liberal vote ever.

When the rubber hits the road the potential for a Liberal collapse to the Conservatives is always there.

Reply to  Robert Wager
October 1, 2019 7:59 pm

It is a strange world in which extreme socialism is considered middle of the road politically.

October 1, 2019 7:01 pm

Why not go all in?
Canada can get by with farming using donkeys and oxen. Do the same in the US as well. Shutter all hydrocarbon use world wide. The famines will solve the population problem and make wealth redistribution much easier. A world in famine ruled by the Greens. Didn’t they make a movie about that? Something like Soylent?

October 1, 2019 7:02 pm

Dictatorships are all the same, but they come in all colors. Red, yellow, white, green, black, …

October 1, 2019 7:14 pm

Trudeau’s admiration of the Chinese “because they turned their economy around on a dime” ONLY HAPPENED BECAUSE THEY HAD THE USA TO STEAL FROM on a grand scale for the last 4 decades…$300 Billion to $1 Trillion every year for 40 years from.

China would have made NO economic gains Without the USA as a Market and as a willing recipient of the Chinese exportation of disinflation and overproduction.
..while decimating industrial employment in the US Heartland. The Bush’s and Obama basked in the glow of the New World Order as China grew on the backs of their slaves and American workers…AND AMERICAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, of which they stole over $1 Trillion worth over the years.

Chinese growth was economic growth via plunder…just like England and Spain and Portugal did in Colonial times.

Authoritarian Totalitarian Socialist Despots only do well with a plentiful supply of slaves and second tier lackey Minions with no real freedoms.

China could fail severely as we start cutting China off and bringing our supply chains out of China and into the Pacific Rim and the Western Hemisphere…AND INTO AUTOMATION AND AI production.

China will never be a good reliable trading partner. The sooner we disengage from China the better. Trump has fired the opening salvos after China renege on the trade deal. The current low scale trade war will have some downsides, but we cannot tolerate Chinese mistreatment much longer. We don’t need them but they need access to our markets. We will win eventually (unless the Democrats win in 2020…they will cave in to the Chinese just for the Biden like kickbacks) and we must win.

Reply to  DocSiders
October 2, 2019 12:48 am

Friend pointed out today China implemented several long holidays to stimulate consumer spending. If Trudud was copy them he would need to increase not decrease consumer spendin/

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  DocSiders
October 2, 2019 10:17 am

DocSiders – October 1, 2019 at 7:14 pm

AND AMERICAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, of which they (China) stole over $1 Trillion worth over the years.

Chinese growth was economic growth via plunder…just like England and Spain and Portugal did in Colonial times.

OH GOOD GRIEF, …… you sound just like the “Trump derangement Democrats” who are doing their damnest to blame Trump and a few honest Republicans for all the “evils” in the DC Swamp.

“EVILS” that have been festering in DC for the past 50+ years.

The Chinese didn’t steal any of America’s intellectual property, they didn’t have to.

GEEEEZUS, it was given to them, …… free to use, …… to use for manufacturing the “products” that Americans needed and wanted …… but couldn’t afford to manufacture in America.

Beginning in the 70’s (my recollection), the “cost-of-doing-business” in America began to drastically increase …….. and American manufacturers had to either shut their doors and retire …… or move their manufacturing “across the pond” and setup shop ….. or contract the work to a local entity, ….. but no matter which, ……. the “intellectual property” needed for producing the goods was INCLUDED.

And “HA”, …… given that the American lefty liberal socialists hates “capitalism” and wants to destroy it, ……. then why in ell should anyone worry about “INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY”?

Reply to  DocSiders
October 3, 2019 1:43 pm

What have we wrought in the last 50 years. Since the end of the 2 WW the US heart land of industry and manufacturing has been under attack. With the onset of the EPA in the 1960 the left wing destroyers have been regulating the heavy industries to extinction. So what were these industries to do to keep in business a lot of them pulled up stakes and left the US to setup in more fertile fields. China and Mexico benefited from this flight with a cheap work forces and virtually no environmental regulations.

Walking around the airport in San Diego in the 1970’s you could see small foundries turning out specialized castings for the Areospace industry those casting shops were jobs directly benefiting the US economy but a drive to reduce emissions closed down most of these foundries and they pulled up stakes and relocated to Mexico just 10 miles south. Same emissions or worse now but the border does not stop the wind. Those same jobs are now benefiting the Mexican economy and they will NEVER return to the US.

The rest of the US has lost so much heavy industry that if they were to lose their suppliers due to natural disaster or political restrictions it would cripple the economy and the country. Jay Leno recognized this industry drain and started a foundation to help school kids access the industrial trades to at least try and keep so skills needed to keep society running in the future. We need to do more of that type of promotion or else the country will not survive.

Len Werner
October 1, 2019 7:19 pm

I couldn’t have said it better–but I did say it shorter. My comment on the ‘How many times to climate models have to be killed’ article–

“Got to get it through our heads that climate change was never about climate, it was about replacing capitalism. Arguing science is pointless, it will just confuse unless everyone is made aware that the goal is a destruction of their way of life with replacement by fundamental changes in society. At stake is their freedom; all we can now do is wait and see how many understand the underlying insidious movement. The worship of Greta goes on as scientists argue how many fairy models can fit on heads of pins or whether the pins poke holes in them.

Good luck; it’s not the fiction of climate models that needs exposure. Fighting coal is just a smoke screen.”

October 1, 2019 7:33 pm

If Trudeau wins, Canada is over. Alberta will start looking to secede, and Saskatchewan and Manitoba will probably go if Alberta does. Quite likely they’ll take some of the Territories with them.

There’s just no future for rural Canadians in a Trudeau-run Canada.

Jim Watson
October 1, 2019 7:39 pm

THE GOVERNMENT: “People with have to learn to make do with less. Except for us.”

Reply to  Jim Watson
October 2, 2019 12:53 am

Until people do then they implement negative interest rates to force them to spend. Key is never give people opportunity to save and therefore they have to depend on government. US is doing good job on that.

October 1, 2019 7:41 pm

Zero emissions by 2050 is an unquestionably unscientific, political goal. The Nobel winning Nordhaus fairly recently calculated the optimum cost/benefit rated level of change to CO2 emissions. He was working with a climate sensitivity estimate of 4 degrees by 2100, and with new estimates of higher costs of warming than previously forecast.

Despite using a high forecast of future temperatures and newly higher estimates of costs of increased warming, he found the most effective policy is to aim for 3.5 degrees of warming rather than 4 degrees under those assumptions. The costs of substantially altering the economy are evidently much higher than the costs even high future warming would entail. Anyone who is proposing near term major economic transformation is either politically motivated, ignorant, or both.

We know that a 4 degree rise in temp is probably absurd given the current temperature trend in the century. It’s likely that warming cost estimates are changing to the high side because negative outcome bias has ramped up in recent times. There’s plenty of funding out there for studying potential negative effects of warming and all those studies are likely skewing the ability of scientists to make an accurate assessment of warming costs and benefits. Apparently they also don’t include CO2 fertilization in cost/benefit forecasts, as Ross McKitrick said on the recent podcast with Anthony Watts that was posted.

Despite all that, what is probably the defining current economic literature on climate policy still advises a policy goal nothing like what the Liberals and the UN are putting out there. If 3.5 degrees is the best case scenario, policies that aim for 2 degrees or less under the IPCC model projections are uneconomic and cannot be said to be scientifically reasonable policy goals. In broad strokes the science is clearly with us in policy, even given what are likely alarmist parameters in Nordhaus’ cost benefit projection.

Reply to  Robbie
October 2, 2019 2:24 am

Good comments Robbie. You wrote:
“The Nobel winning Nordhaus fairly recently calculated the optimum cost/benefit rated level of change to CO2 emissions. He was working with a climate sensitivity estimate of 4 degrees by 2100…”

Apparently, getting a Nobel these days does not require even basic competence.

As you probably know, the UPPER BOUND for climate sensitivity is about 1C/doubling, certainly not an AVERAGE of 4C. That 1C/(2*CO2) is calculated by assuming that ALL the warming observed is due to increasing atmospheric CO2 and NONE is due to natural causes – which creates a ~simplistic Upper Bound assumption.

Actual climate sensitivity to CO2 is lower than 1C/doubling, and probably much lower, if it even exists in measureable reality.

9. Even if ALL the observed global warming is ascribed to increasing atmospheric CO2, the calculated maximum climate sensitivity to a hypothetical doubling of atmospheric CO2 is only about 1 degree C, which is too low to cause dangerous global warming.

Christy and McNider (2017) analysed UAH Lower Troposphere data since 1979:

Lewis and Curry (2018) analysed HadCRUT4v5 Surface Temperature data since 1859:

Climate computer models used by the IPCC and other global warming alarmists employ climate sensitivity values much higher than 1C/doubling, in order to create false fears of dangerous global warming.
[end of excerpt]

The primary driver of global temperature is clearly solar intensity, , not CO2, as demonstrated by Willie Soon in his recent video:
“Willie Soon’s best points start at 54:51, where he shows the Sun-Climate relationship and provides his conclusions.“

Regards, Allan

October 2, 2019 8:28 pm

Hi Allen, and regards,

I am quite surprised that the Curry/Lewis paper arrives at around 1.6 degrees using the data rather than models, while assuming all temperature increases since 1850 have been man made. I would have thought assuming there has been no natural warming since the tail end of the little ice age would give you 2-3 degrees per doubling, sort of the lower third of the IPCC models.

I had thought that the IPCC models had such high estimates because they assumed all warming was man made, plus tacked on positive feedbacks to make the logarithmic effect go linear and exponential. It seems they really have their heads in the positive feedback clouds to get up into their current estimate ranges.

Reply to  Robbie
October 2, 2019 8:48 pm

Robbie, the reason the climate models use ridiculously high climate sensitivities is because if they used realistic sensitivities, there would be no very-scary climate emergency.

In short, the climate models are frauds, deliberately programmed to predict excess warming and false alarm – it IS that simple.

Reply to  Robbie
October 2, 2019 5:53 am

The increasing heat is almost 100% positive due to the manner in which the current warming is occurring. The number of HOTTEST days are decreasing and the Hottest temperatures on those hottest days are also trending down:

Global Average temperatures are on the rise but the HOTTEST temperatures are not. Overnight low temperatures are warming more than the daytime maximum temperatures are cooling…and that is happening mostly in the Arctic (so who cares? Greenland ice is not reaching the lows that they did in the 1930”s according to historical records — sea level rise is not accelerating).

Cooling electrical bill’s are declining as are heating bills. Less driving through snow is good and lower snow removal costs is good.

The economists are doing crap calculations with crap data. They are using model trends instead of actual data trends. They’d get an F in my class for ignoring first principles…the facts are more important than wishes.

Don’t forget to add 40% to agriculture outputs over the next 50 years from CO2 fertilization. That’s only like adding the agricultural output of North America to global output.

Less snow and ice in the winters is only positive…except where melting during the rest of the year provides water (as downstream on the Colorado River where large clots of humanity have decided to live…using almost all the water before the Gulf of California. Fortunately, high altitude snows have not been on the decline recently after a dip in the 1990’s).

So far, it’s been all good. Better weather…lower costs.

This will be a Golden Age if we can keep the Socialists off our backs and out of our wallets. Parasites are part of living so it’s best to exercise good hygiene because parasites can kill you.

Gary Pearse
October 1, 2019 7:58 pm

How hard is it for a Canuck to get citizenship in the US?

Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 1, 2019 8:01 pm

Can’t we just walk over the border and claim to be Mexicans?

Reply to  MarkG
October 1, 2019 9:51 pm

Most of the gate crashers by far are from Central America, not Mexico.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  MarkG
October 1, 2019 9:53 pm

Drop the “aye!” and learn “way.”

Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 1, 2019 9:45 pm

Maybe you could just swap with one of the Anti-Trumpers.

October 1, 2019 8:07 pm

If Trudeau is re-elected with a majority, or with a minority, and is propped up by the NDP, plus Kenny fails, which he will, you can start the countdown to Alberta leaving Canada. Push the first domino over, and the rest will fall one by one. The great hope Kenny will fail because he’s away in over his head, doesn’t understand the enemy or have any real idea how to fight them. The Alberta independence party aren’t going anywhere, and are just wait in the wings to take over when all these events come to pass.

Reply to  Rob
October 1, 2019 8:36 pm

Good comments Rob.

Alberta, with just over 10% of Canada’s population, financially supports the entire country through tax transfers (the feds collect huge taxes in Alberta and spend them in the rest of the country).

Following is an excerpt of a letter providing background information for a recent Calgary meeting:

An update on tax transfers from Alberta to the Rest-of-Canada:
With nominal 2% interest, these tax transfers now total almost one trillion dollars since 1961, or over one million dollars per Alberta family-of-four.

Best, Allan

As detailed below, my strategies led to the turnaround of the Alberta oilsands industry, resulting in $250 billion in capital invested in Alberta, and 500,000 jobs created across Canada. Most of Stephen Harper’s stunning economic success was in place long before he became Prime Minister.

I think Jason Kenney and the UCP are on the wrong track, because:
1. Challenging equalization is a waste of time – Alberta does not control equalization.
2. Challenging the Carbon Tax in court is also a waste of time – most federally-appointed judges are Liberal cronies and will do what Trudeau tells them.

Here is what Jason Kenny needs to do – as I wrote in an article published in the Calgary Herald on 7Jan2003.
a. Equalization payments are a subset of federal tax transfers – which Alberta CAN control by collecting its own income tax – like Quebec does.
b. Alberta also subsidizes the Canada Pension Plan, and Alberta should operate its own Pension Plan like Quebec does.

There are a few more key actions by Alberta that will put us in control of this desperate situation. The above two points should be a good start.

October 1, 2019 9:37 pm

Alberta could collect provincial income tax like Quebec does. Quebec does NOT collect Federal income tax. This would do nothing towards equalization.

I like the idea of having an equalization referendum question (as Kenney has promised for the next round of municipal elections). It helps prepare the population for separation.

October 1, 2019 10:11 pm

Kenny is still living in the nineties, doesn’t realize the world has changed, and is still trying to do politics and business the same old way. While the enemy skates circles around him. When the majority of people in Alberta realize that their destruction is at hand, and Kenny has been blowing smoke, that will it, and Kenny’s time will be up. There really won’t be anything he can say or do. He’ll be trampled in the stamped to save Alberta by getting it out of the country.

Reply to  Rob
October 1, 2019 10:26 pm

So what do you think the requirements for Alberta citizenship be? My girlfriend’s parents live there and we’ll need to move before long to look after them as they get old.

And, yes, most ‘conservative’ politicians still think we’re in the 90s, which is why they’re going to have to be swept away and replaced. The left now have the power they’ve always craved, and have no interest in ‘compromise’ or any of that other old ‘conservative’ nonsense. They just want to consolidate that power and destroy their enemies.

Steve Keppel-Jones
October 7, 2019 8:21 am

Technically Alberta is not the only province supporting the rest of Canada. Newfoundland&Labrador, Saskatchewan, and BC also make net payments into this system (via federal taxes). Ontario also used to (before 2009) and will apparently start doing so again this year, which is news to me. We are back to being a “have” province!

John Shepherd
Reply to  Rob
October 1, 2019 8:53 pm

As much as I like Canada and Canadians I prefer that Canadians stay Canadian. Most Canadian Conservatives fall somewhere between Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton. They would vote Democrat if they joined the US.

Reply to  John Shepherd
October 1, 2019 9:35 pm

There’s no such thing as ‘Canadian’.

Canada was never a nation, it’s a collection of multiple nations stuffed into a single country for reasons of expediency. That worked so long as government was limited and the different nations could largely do what they wanted, but as Trudeau continually expands government power, it’s reached the breaking point where East and West can no longer even pretend to get along.

Alberta demanding a Quebec-like deal might allow it to remain part of the country for a little longer. But ultimately it will take a miracle to reconcile Alberta with Ontario; they have less and less in common every year. East and West need to split, but then the East goes bankrupt.

Reply to  MarkG
October 2, 2019 1:01 am

That’s what the South said didn’t get them free of the North.

Reply to  ironargonaut
October 2, 2019 7:37 am

The world has changed a lot. The biggest difference is that in the modern world, those who favor big government are afraid of guns.

October 1, 2019 8:50 pm

Given that climate change is just a ruse, just why do they believe consumerism is unsustainable? What, exactly, cannot be sustained? I know of no raw material that is about to exhaust, and by the time they do, Man should be in position to mine other solar system objects, from comets to Jupiter.

Besides, by definition, if something is unsustainable, it will end on its own accord one day. As it diminishes, the price will go up, and an alternate solution will become economically viable. And people may have to do with less. Why force it?

I will say this: the plan will not work in the US. There is a reason why we endure tragedies involving guns, but refuse to ban them. Any politician attempting to force austerity on us will find him or herself a prisoner in their own house. It will be too dangerous to step outside.

Reply to  jtom
October 1, 2019 9:27 pm

Some history re “there must be a covert agenda – nobody could be this stupid for this long”:

Joey wrote:
“I would simply suggest cutting off all fossil fuels in the UK. That will solve the “problem”.”

That would probably “solve” the problem all right – 85% of global primary energy is fossil fuels. In a few months, most Brits would be dead from starvation and exposure.

But what about green energy? Green energy is a farce that doesn’t even lower CO2 emissions, because spinning reserve is required, typically from fossil fuels, to “fill-in” when the wind drops.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 will at most cause only minor, beneficial warming, not runaway catastrophic warming like the warmist hysterics allege, but even if it did, current green energy schemes are NOT a solution – they simply do not reduce CO2 emissions because of the fatal flaw of intermittency.

So the greens are wrong about everything – they have the science wrong so they have created a false problem – and then they created a false solution. The only question left is:
“(1) Are the greens really this stupid, or (2) is this a deliberate hoax, intended for other objectives?”

Alberta is the economic mainstay of Canada – through tax transfers, the average Alberta family-of-four has supported the rest-of-Canada with a donation of about one million dollars over the past two generations. (Reference: Mansell and Schlenker w/ updates)

In return, the Trudeau’s (père et fils) have savaged Alberta with punitive and extortive government policies that have caused great harm to every family. Trudeau père destroyed our economy with the National Energy Program. Trudeau fils is following suit through “climate change” fantasies and pipeline strangulation.

It is impossible to believe that the Trudeau’s and their odious ilk (Climate Barbie et al) could be this stupid – it has to be deliberate malice – pro-Quebec and anti-the rest-of-Canada, especially against those work hard and create the real wealth of this country.

Canada (MOSTLY ALBERTA – a province of only about 4 million people) is the 5th-largest oil producer in the world and the largest foreign supplier of oil to the USA.

There is no rational reason for Alberta to stay in Canada. Canada is governed by socialist saboteurs, the transfer payments reward regional dysfunction and sloth, and our courts are a charade of extremist bias, corruption and incompetence.

Canada stays together largely because of a proud shared history and the emotional attachment that we have to our past. Our future is bleak, given the current Marxist/Progressive trajectory – we are governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.

October 2, 2019 5:36 am

I’d vote to separate.

A friend asked me, “What about our share of the national debt?”

I said we’d pay it off in four years since Alberta would keep it’s income tax revenues. Or, and this is more fun, we’d say “piss off Canada, Albertans have contributed $600 billion more to Canada than they got back. We’ve already paid”

First step to separation?

Have the Alberta referendum on equalization.

At the same time:
– opt out of Canada Pension Plan (same as Quebec)
– implement a Provincial police force (like Ontario and Quebec) and kick out RCMP.

And what I’d like to do: implement a carbon tax on all oil and natural gas leaving the province to places that have a carbon tax. Tax to come off when pipelines are built.

Reply to  joe
October 2, 2019 6:49 am

Joe – Alberta owns NO part of the National Debt.

Since 1961, Each Alberta family-of-four has subsidized Canada in the amount of ~$1 million OVER AND ABOVE THE NATIONAL DEBT.

Reference: Dr Robert Mansell et al, University of Calgary.

Samuel C Cogar
October 2, 2019 10:44 am

Increasing atmospheric CO2 will at most cause only minor, beneficial warming,

Isn’t that bout the same as saying that ….. “The Flying Spaghetti Monster will at most cause only one minor miracle”?

Alan Tomalty “ There is one way to separate out the H2O and CO2 greenhouse back radiation. Pick the driest desert in the world and measure the back radiation at nighttime only on the nights without any clouds. NASA refuses to do this and publish the results because their scientists have told them that the back radiation by CO2 alone is unmeasureable. In other words 0.0000000000 W/m^2

Jan E Christoffersen
October 3, 2019 10:53 am


The federal Liberals abuse Alberta and other parts of western Canada because they believe that they can win a parliamentary majority by favouring populous Quebec and Ontario, bribing the economically dependent Maritime provinces and appealing to some eco-nuts for a few seats in British Columbia (where I live, alas). This has been the cynical electoral strategy of the “Natural Governing Party” for decades.

Reply to  jtom
October 1, 2019 9:30 pm

Trudeau wants to ban guns, too. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

But it’s nothing to do with ‘sustainable’. The ‘elite’ want 90+% of the population to disappear, so they can have the world’s resources for themselves.

Remember, more and more jobs are going to be automated away over the coming years, and at an increasingly rapid rate. The ‘elite’ don’t want the now useless proles messing up their glorious world of robot slaves.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  jtom
October 2, 2019 12:46 am

Your point is that the free market will do the redistribution and the doing with less. The left rejects that because it is they who want to decide who is going to do less and with what commodity. History has shown that they are not very good at that, but they are not astute enough to realise it, if they are honest, or just too bloodyminded.

Reply to  jtom
October 2, 2019 3:32 am

“it will end on its own accord one day”

Exactly. Showing that ‘sustainability’ is just another totalist reification fallacy, like “justice.”

‘The government would have to have more control over people to enforce their austerity and the wealth of developed nations would have to be redistributed to help undeveloped nations.’

Governments are instituted amongst Men for mutual protection. Not to ‘control’ them, nor to take their stuff and give it to someone else, ESPECIALLY somewhere else in the world. Western governments are failing at their prime directive.

Which, yeah, is the goal.

J Mac
October 1, 2019 9:27 pm

Oh Canada! This native son of the USA fervently hopes your countrymen can see their way clear to reject Trudeau and his collectivist socialist ilk and vote for a leader that respects individual rights, free enterprise, competitive markets, and low cost, reliable, dispatchable 24/7/365 electrical energy generation.
Please, let it be so!

Matthew K
October 1, 2019 11:43 pm

I came to WUWT to seek closure after a climate nutter nearly drove me into an insane asylum with a doom and gloom story I almost believed. But all that closure has been nullified by reading just what the whole scam is about and how serious this global socialism threat is to our future. I have bad dreams at night of what the world would look like under a socialist totalitarian rule, which affects my sleep. I can’t even go about during the day without worrying how awful life is going to be if these morons get their way. I’ve become more sickly, more depressed, and less enthusiastic about what I plan to do for the future. I battle to eat, I battle to sleep, and I battle to enjoy life knowing that it could be taken away from me in a few years.

Looking for closure to try and convince me that the green slime will fail miserably isn’t working. I feared a 3rd world war, but now I welcome one, as to die in a nuclear holocaust brought out by a 3rd world war would be better than dying at the hands of a failed world state.

I’m a 24-year old man with autism, and I fear for my future when hearing just what the corrupt Left are trying to do. Me being autistic, I would probably be among those expendable to the Left’s cause. I seriously pray that sanity will prevail and that these extremists are finally snuffed out for good so we can carry on with our lives.

J Mac
Reply to  Matthew K
October 2, 2019 5:26 pm

I read your words and heard echos from my past. When I was near your age (back in the 1970s), I had a very pessimistic view of the world. I was struggling to find a job that I really enjoyed in a period where layoffs were endemic and ‘The Rust Belt’ was the nickname for the area I lived in. We had ineffective leadership ala ‘Malaise’ Jimmy Carter, gasoline rationing that had me waiting in gas stations queues in -20F weather at 6am to pump the 5 gallons allowed so I could drive home from my job in a grey iron foundry. I was so frustrated… and something had to change, so I chose to change. In 1978, I started college at the age of 23. In 1979, Iran was holding 52 US citizens hostage, and I and a few other students that I didn’t know spontaneously faced off with and ‘stood down’ about 35 Iranian college students that tried to burn the US flag outside of the university library.

I think that was the turning point for me. I was taking direct action to change my perspective and my future. I was loading trucks at UPS (4am to 8:30am) to pay the bills, taking engineering related courses at the local university in the day and studying evenings. I had a mission. Facing off with the Iranian protesters also shifted my perspective, from passive disgust to open opposition and intervention on issues that were really bothering me, including my own excuses for not changing other aspects of my life. There were certainly set backs and times of personal doubt that tested my will. But I kept at it and 6 years later had both BS and MS degrees in Metallurgical Engineering, a sense of real achievement, enduring self respect, and a job I really loved. Over the ensuing years, I have independently studied the science surrounding the hypothesis of man made global warming and found more than enough reasons to reject it. I have also been a supporter and participant in grass roots politics, endeavoring to change our world for the better. Thirty years of good paychecks and conservative spending combined with informed investing have enabled me to be a charitable retiree as well.

You can do the same. Choose to change, from passive disapproval and frustration to engaged opposition and action. The ‘green slime’ will fail if good people rise to confront and spot light their flawed ‘science’, fraudulent claims of impending disaster, and expose their hidden agenda of iron fisted socialism dressed up as faux friendly environmentalism. Choose to change, Matthew! Choose your path(s) of engagement, to improve your perspective, your employment, and your future. Educate yourself on topics that interest you, so you may speak from knowledge. Well founded knowledge engenders confidence and is the weapon of first choice to slay the deceitful snarling of the many-headed green slime hydra. Positive actions lead to positive results, my young friend.

Take action now, to create your positive future, Matthew! Make a plan. Make it your mission. Work it to fruition and enjoy the future you created. Enjoy all if it!

Matthew K
Reply to  J Mac
October 3, 2019 2:41 am

My Mom told me last night that the world will not stand for this green BS and that there will be opposition like never seen before. Also, God will prepare His Warriors for the resistance. I’ve put my faith in Him as my family has for decades. We are branded as fools for believing in a “magic man in the sky”; but God is real, and I have seen what God can do when He is angry and I’m surprised the MSM actually reported it: A group of cultists outside my hometown were hit by lightning on a cloudy day with no thunderstorms forecast. Fearing the “presence of demons”; the cultists planned a cleansing ceremony. They hired out a kitchen in which to prepare the food for the ceremony, and whilst they were preparing the food, the kitchen was hit by lightning, killing a large number of those inside. Then, on the day of the ceremony, they gathered in a church, and just as the cleansing ceremony was about to start; the church was hit by lightning, killing many of those inside. This was not an isolated incident; God does not tolerate this, and God is ready to deal with this.

The Farmers Protest (Or BoerenProtest as it was called on Twitter) in the Netherlands on October 1 this year was the first sign of resistance towards the BS. These farmers successfully drove their army of tractors to the capital, causing a traffic jam bigger than all those ever caused by Extinction Rebellion, and bypassed the majority of all police roadblocks. They even sniffed out undercover police who tried to infiltrate the mob of farmers and were told by the farmers to take a hike. The People of the Netherlands stood by the Farmers and support them greatly. They even went as far as to mock Greta’s “How Dare You!?” tantrum by placing a sign on a plow mounted on the front of one of the tractors reading “How Dairy Yo!?”

This is only the start. They won’t get what they want if we resist and counter-attack!

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  J Mac
October 3, 2019 4:18 am

J Mac – October 2, 2019 at 5:26 pm

and I and a few other students that I didn’t know spontaneously faced off with and ‘stood down’ about 35 Iranian college students that tried to burn the US flag outside of the university library.

But, but …. J Mac, that was in 1979.

What Matthew is faced with today, in 2019, would be 160+ American citizens/college students …. burning the US flag, ….. breaking windows, etc.

J Mac, ….. why don’t you try “standing up” to them …….. and suffer the “hurt” from doing so.

J Mac
Reply to  Samuel C Cogar
October 3, 2019 9:38 am

But, but …. Sam!
There were just 11 of us that confronted those Iranii protesters. I’m still taking stands… and I’m encouraging others to do so as well.
How about you?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  J Mac
October 3, 2019 12:32 pm

J Mac, …… what I wasa trying to tell you was that “encouraging” others now days, to do what you did on Campus years ago, …… would put them in harms way ….. and likely get the hell beat out of them by the libel kooks and “snowflakes”.

And I don’t take any “stands” now days. Ells bells, I’m not able to “take-a-walk”, ….. let alone “take-a-stand”.

“HA”, I just started my 80th trip around the Sun in August and I’se gettin tired. So, the only “stands” I am capable of taking anymore is “verbal” ones via this keyboard and my learned memories.

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
October 3, 2019 7:52 pm

I’m pushing 64. I’ve put myself in harms way a number of times in my life, because my self respect wouldn’t let me avert my eyes and walk away. Each generation must fight to keep the freedoms we have been blessed with in the USA. I’ll continue to stand for those rights and encourage others to do so as well, lest they perish because we did nothing. Freedom isn’t free…..

Reply to  J Mac
October 3, 2019 9:12 am

J Mac, thank you for your good advice to Matthew.

Matthew, the world is always been a difficult and often a dangerous place. There is no other solution but to be strong, choose a rational course for your life and try to excel at it.

My grandfather’s and my father’s generations fought in two World Wars. They lived in a much more difficult and dangerous time than we do today.

I don’t understand why everyone today is so fearful. I have a great uncle buried in France, killed in action in the last days of World War I. My uncle was the only surviving officer of his unit at Dieppe in World War I and rescued the surviving ten enlisted men, of the hundred who hit the beach. Those are the men that I try to live up to.

Everyone dies, Matthew. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. The trick is to try and accomplish something worthwhile in the interim. 🙂

Regards, Allan

October 3, 2019 9:09 pm

Dieppe in World War II

Reply to  Matthew K
October 3, 2019 4:36 pm

Hi Matthew. One suggestion if I may; eat well. Make an effort on that. Your brain consumes directly 20% or so of your daily diet. So in order for your brain to be able to function better – you need to help your brain with proper nutrition instead of being in a malnourished mode.
To increase or make yourself have an appetite, you have to do something physical over and above where you’re at now. 20 mins outside- brisk walk, truly helps.
Value yourself, feed yourself well. Take one step at a time.
You have friends, hang in there wishing your resilience much strength.
I’ve had depression and will have PTSD for life; have gone from being victim to thriver ( ok I am making up words now, lol) – best revenge is living well as I head into my 6th decade in a happier state of mind.

October 1, 2019 11:46 pm

The reason for green deals and green policies is overwhelmingly CO2 reduction… the policies follow the science, not the other way around.

While a strong political statement, this article has no basis in scientific actuality. For example, the DDT ban was necessary and didn’t cause the end of fighting malaria .

Reply to  griff
October 2, 2019 9:04 pm

More green lies from griff.

The science promoting global warming hysteria is utterly false, based on fraudulent climate models that are programmed to predict excessive warming and false alarm.

I have done considerable research on the effective ~30-year ban of DDT, from ~1972 to 2002. This ban ~doubled the deaths from malaria, from about 1 million per year to two million, mostly kids under five in sub-Saharan Africa.

It is incredibly offensive for you to lie about these facts, effectively trampling the bodies all these dead little kids to promote your false climate scam. You are disgusting.

Samuel C Cogar
October 3, 2019 4:28 am

With griff claiming that “the DDT ban was necessary“, ….. you know what he thinks about “population control”.


Today is October 03, 2019 …… and the “green growing” biomass in the Northern Hemisphere is still “dark” green in many locales (mid-eastern latitudes) which means it is still absorbing great quantities of CO2 ……. and temperatures have been extremely “warm to hot”, ….. both day and night, ….. and with very little rain it has been extremely “dry” thus prohibiting the decaying of any dead biomass, therefore no outgassing of CO2

But someone forgot to tell the atmospheric CO2, …. because it did what it always does after the autumnal equinox in late September, …. to wit:

Daily CO2
Sep. 26, 2019: 408.05 ppm
Sep. 27, 2019: 407.96 ppm
Sep. 28, 2019: 408.09 ppm
Sep. 29, 2019: 408.22 ppm
Sep. 30, 2019: 408.41 ppm

CO2 stopped its summertime decrease, right on schedule, this year t’was September 27th, with a YTD minimum of 407.96 ppm ……… and began its wintertime increase, ….. which will terminate after the March (spring) equinox with a YTD maximum occurring in mid-May 2020.

The Mauna Loa Record tells us it has been doing that very same thing for the past 61 years without any help from man or beast..

Reply to  griff
October 3, 2019 7:27 am

Wouldn’t there have to be some actual science, before the policies can follow it?
There is no science that says more CO2 is anything other than completely beneficial.
Models aren’t science.

Reply to  griff
October 3, 2019 7:28 am

Like the CO2 scare, the DDT scare was entirely made up. The only science was shown to be fraudulent.

October 2, 2019 12:02 am


Some sceptics are far too willing to see conspiracies behind every bush without proof, but there does seem to be a well verified web of connections between a variety of environmental groups, which is not surprising among passionate activists of any sort with the same aims.

Some of the language you used in your article is similar to that used by what many would call extremist groups such as Extinction rebellion and which are being taken up by ordinary people-especially children-scared by the predictions of imminent doom.

Some climate activist groups are very radical, others are more modest in their demands. Here is a missive from ‘Climate Strike who I understand work closely with Extinction Rebellion

—- —–
“The scale of action required if the UK is to deliver on its commitments enshrined in the Paris Agreement
… all starting January 2020, if not before!

• A moratorium on all new fossil fuel development
• An immediate phase-out of all fossil fuel production, to be complete by 2030-35
– with detailed polices of a just transition for those working in the industries
• A rap idly rising frequent flier levy to immediately slash how often the ‘frequent fliers’ fly
• No airport expansion
• No expansion of the road network
• The rapid move to car-free (including EVs) cities and towns
• A minimum emission standard on all new cars (max IOOgC02/km & tightening at 8-10% each year
• A tight emission standard on all power stations (a fleet level for all suppliers of 250gC02/kWh
• A minimum & very stringent efficiency standard for all rented properties/homes
• All new houses and buildings to be passive-house standard and include onsite renewables
• A fair carbon tax (fee & dividend) or personal carbon allowance
• Major subsidies for E-bikes (paid from the Frequent Flier levy?)
• Stop all fossil fuel advertising
• Devolve responsibilities and powers to regions & cities to help deliver culturally-appropriate policies

And the UK’s Committee on Climate Change to revisit its 1.5°C report without relying on ‘negative emission technologies’ and to take seriously issues of international equity and fairness within our own country”

—- —–
I understand that the List was made by Kevin Anderson, Professor of energy and climate change at Uppsala and Manchester and a member of Climate Strike.

He is also one of Greta’s speech writers. Looking at the thread accessed from that link I note that Stefan Rahmstorf checks material sent to him by Greta but that he does not write it, as her grasp of science-or her interpretation of it-seems better than sceptics give her credit for.

So bearing in mind such things as the UK govt proclamations that they will spend 1 trillion pounds to ensure decarbonisation by 2050 and the Govts announcement during their conference today that gas boilers will be banned in new houses (no date given) there is certainly a concerted effort to introduce measures the general public will be astonished at.

Hence the dire warnings in order to make them think there are no other choices.


Reply to  tonyb
October 2, 2019 8:52 am

Tony …… I’m afraid some people don’t understand the ramifications of the “connect the dots” theories and simply write them off as musings by people with their tin foil hats on too tight. The plotters know this and count on the masses to discount the musings by calling them absurd and attacking the people, not the message. The more audacious the claims the easier it is for them to claim lunacy. AGW is the perfect example. After all, who in their right mind would think the UN is behind a plot to take over the world’s government by claiming man is responsible for ruining its’ climate and consequently the world we live in? Propaganda on a small scale has caused genocide and how about on a world wide scale? At what point do we start listening?

Reply to  tonyb
October 3, 2019 2:45 am


Agree with you 100%. There is far too much emphasis on a global conspiracy for socialist world domination.

I have an acquaintance who lives in Russia, a Jock like me, who reliably informs me that the Russian population have no desire whatsoever to return to an oppressive socialist state, they love their freedom and are passionate about it, like many in the USA and the UK aren’t.

Similarly, however, there are enough patriots in the US and the UK as well as many other countries who won’t countenance an oppressive socialist state. Whilst individuals within the UN demand a global governance, they are nothing without their member states and most would not entertain such a proposition.

Some UN officials have delusions of grandeur with no political authority and abuse the platform they occupy to make their personal socialist desires public, but they have no authority. Continue the way they are going and someone will pull the rug from under them by moving to disband the organisation.

Extinction Rebellion comprises a handful of deluded hippies given a platform by the media, especially the BBC in the UK. But following Brexit I see that coming to an end as they will be told by Boris Johnson to STFU on the subject of climate change as it will not be conducive to a new relationship with Trumps USA.

And whilst I have been ridiculed for saying it before, Brexit is a world shaping event. Not since WW2 has the USA and the UK, the worlds largest and fifth largest economies, with a common culture, Christian underpinnings, and language, had the opportunity to unite and work together.

Europe doesn’t want us to leave the EU. They are terrified of the impact which will render it an empty political and financial entity.

More importantly, my belief is that climate change in the UK is being used as cover to pay off the horrendous national debt. Trump, on the other hand, see’s global trade as the means of addressing the US’s debt. Boris will be persuaded by Trump to change his mind on climate change, if he hasn’t already but he can’t announce that as he needs all the support he can muster right now.

I suspect this time next year the UK will be wondering what happened to the climate scare the BBC successfully promoted for two failed Prime Ministers, Cameron (who largely started the propaganda campaign) and Theresa May who perpetuated it – then saddled the country with a £1tn bill to secure her personal, virtue signalling, legacy. That £1tn can be better utilised in our economy and Boris will be eyeing it up as we speak.

B d Clark
Reply to  HotScot
October 3, 2019 3:26 am

I hope your right Scot,but I have my doubts,there is a hidden agenda in the west,based on the lie of climate change,theres nothing new about this, the UK alone has had its heavy industry all but destroyed ,they are now attacking farming and are ability to even drive at our own convince, trying to switch to a green power generation for the whole of the country,its madness in the making!! I really dont think we can hope that Boris will somehow end the green slime agenda after Brexit. That’s really wishful thinking, the BBC are a left wing rag their environment correspondents are nothing more that plants to further the lefiest agenda,their a disgrace in their biased reporting, dont you just love there patronizing phrases like “what you need to know” the BBC is a great example of all the corupt left lobbyists who have taken over the BBC pushing their agenda on the population, there just too entrenched within society and its institutions to hope boris Johnson will wave his magic wand and they will all go away,as I say I hope your right,and your also right there are people who will try to stop this madness, the green slime agenda has been spreading for decades their entrenched and will need exposing for what they are before boris Johnson can put us back on track for a sain nation.

Flight Level
October 2, 2019 12:17 am

Quote: “The number of shattered lives caused by radical-green activism rivals the death tolls of the great killers of the 20th Century”

Peanuts. So far such killers operated in the millions range.

Greens target a final earth population of 1 billion. Their kill bill is at least 3 orders of magnitude greater than any dictatorship we have known so far.

Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 12:26 am

When the democratic processes allowing effective representation of the people, has been hijacked by the agents of totalitarianism then the time may have arrived to review the working arrangements of the parliamentary process.
That dilemma and lack of true representation of the people is not restricted to Canada. The USA is suffering a similar take over by the agents of the totalitarian dream. Here in the UK, the people have been ignored for the past three and a half years by the establishment. It is a very close call whether the referendum to leave the EU will be delivered or continue to be blocked. The totalitarianists have the UK establishment working every trick known to man/woman to stop the people having their legitimately expresses will enacted.
This will not end well if the will of the people is ignored.
The tax payers are getting a raw deal, their views are being ignored and their wealth is being squandered of ever more expensive pointless pseudo climate solutions.
We may be reaching a point when a tax strike is required, to remind the establishment just who actually pays their salaries. It is not the UN it is not the Green Socialists, it is not the EU it is the people… just the people.

Reply to  Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 2:28 am

Forgot France and Italy there – the EU forced regime change on Italy, are still at it against Austria. And the French taxpayer reminds Macron that diesel prices are more important than cake.
There is no way to consider these as separate issues – it’s the entire transatlantic.
And with an immanent financial crash worse than 2008, the extreme madness is everywhere evident – what will President Trump do in such a crisis? London is taking no chances and going all out to make sure he gets no second term, as RIIA ordered. Pelosi got her marching orders.

Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 12:44 am

For the over smug Parliamentarians/establishment who imagine they are above the standard and behaviour the people demand, they might like to reflect on this speech given on the floor of Parliament in 1653.
Oliver Cromwell’s Speech

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.

Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?

Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!”

Oliver Cromwell – April 20, 1653

Reply to  Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 2:13 am

Government Is Like Fire, a Dangerous Servant and a Fearful Master

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 6:05 am

Someone ought to read that Cromwell speech to the Democrats in Congress. It describes them perfectly.

Fred Middleton
Reply to  Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 8:09 am

Cromwell. My My. How Rule over a person creates greed for more rule-making a common citizen a slave. 3 Types of slavery, Physical-mental-economic. In USA mid-1800’s slave song, Swing Low Sweet Chariot. Looked Over Jordan, what did I see.

Reply to  Fred Middleton
October 2, 2019 9:22 am

Form 1040 tells you what you are. A Slave.

Before the federal reserve system (direct taxation)even a slave could become a free man. Now the US has become a Fake News country.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Fred Middleton
October 2, 2019 11:20 am

When you get a spare moment perhaps you will translate your comment into rational dialogue for us Fred. By the way, Swing Low is the unofficial Rugby anthem here in the UK.

Carl Friis-Hansen
October 2, 2019 1:04 am

I agree totally with the article:
In 2007 I spoke to a school friend after many decades of having no contact with him. We had great email and telephone conversation, he came to visit me from from abroad, we had a lot of fun, it was very nice indeed to revive our great friendship, which had been lost in Limbo for so long.
At the time I was very involved in the “climate issue” as a skeptic, as an engineer and as one who had spend most of his time to read/interpret graphs and data for electronic components, inclusive some years of working for the wind turbine industry in the mid 80’es.
So, one day I voiced my skeptic climate/Co2/temperature thoughts in an email, also referring to major scientists’ conclusions, stating that the Gore Scare was mostly bollocks.
A few days later I received an email back from my rich academic friend, biologist and philosopher, solely with reference to a needed economic transformation away from current free enterprise and not a single counter argument about the climate. – it took three or four years, before we spoke to each other again. My friend sadly died died this past spring.

October 2, 2019 1:25 am

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Canadina federal government is heading in that direction, I know some of the provinces are going that way.

For example Nova Scotia is putting together something they call the “Sustainable Prosperity Act”, which gives their provincial government control of every aspect of business and private life there. It even includes a Cap and Trade carbon exchange, just for good measure. The local MSM loves it.

The most disheartening part is the opposition so-called Conservatives have not said a word to oppose it. Wow.

October 2, 2019 1:48 am

The same goes for EU Europe.

Dutch farmers blocked hundreds of miles of major roads with their tractors to protest what they say are attempts to scapegoat their industry and paint them as a “problem” that needs fixing in discussions over climate change.
Up to 10,000 farmers took to the highways in their tractors on Monday to slowly make their way to The Hague causing 620 miles (998km) of traffic jams and the worst morning commute in the country’s history.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Robertvd
October 2, 2019 2:15 am

Well judging by the protests from the farmers in Holland the push back against pointless draconian climate justified policies, has finally taken physical form.
The tractors are a modern day tank, I hope the authorities understand what they have done.

Reply to  Rod Evans
October 2, 2019 6:26 am

Reading the twitter comments, it looks like they have the vast support of the people. Very few are taking the position that things need to change to save the climate.
There is hope, yet.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Robertvd
October 2, 2019 2:19 am

Great to see RT, as being such a large news agency, providing this news and at the time allowing comments from skeptics.

Matthew K
Reply to  Robertvd
October 2, 2019 2:19 am

The Left mustn’t think that we are just going to roll over and give into them: we are going to fight back. Mark my words; WE-WILL-FIGHT-BACK!

Reply to  Matthew K
October 2, 2019 9:08 am

Matthew K, proactivity is the antidote to the state of mind you described in your earlier comment.
Allan M.R. MacRae is a model for intelligent and calculated proactivity in Canada. Be grateful to him and seek to follow his example wherever you live.

Reply to  Robertvd
October 2, 2019 2:39 am
Farmer Protest Netherlands

October 2, 2019 2:15 am

Trudeau is rather a johnny-come-lately in this game :
The Genocidal Roots of the Green New Deal: The Limits to Growth and the Unchaining of Prometheus
“Prince Charles has just given us 18 months to save the world. Over the past years, the prince and his father (among other inbred aristocrats of Europe) have taken an incredible interest in the safety of the earth from the pollution emitting machines who greedily consume and reproduce without any consideration for Mother Gaia. ”
Of course this is whispered by very covert insiders.
It’s not poverty and dictatorship, rather eugenics, as Huxley himself wrote in 1946 when that had gotten a bad rap :
“Political unification in some sort of world government will be required… Even though… any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

October 2, 2019 2:44 am

You can note one important thing , those that wish to overthrow capitalism, and Naomi Klein is a classic exmaple , never take the opportunity offered by the ‘socialists paradise ‘ such has Cuba of living under none-capitalist countries. So are they into sadomasochism or are they merely talking out of their rear end ?

Ron Long
October 2, 2019 3:36 am

Great Posting, Allan. I have worked and traveled extensivly around the world and been President, CEO, and Director of a Canadian company. For sure, the greatest percentage of professionals are encountered in Canada as compared to other countries, my USA included. How leftist sentiment can drive the Canadian future into the ditch is amazing (and upsetting) to see. Several important countries around the world are facing monumental events/elections in the near future and it could go either way. What a stunning realization, humans in their highly evolved form could regress? And Climate Change is one of their favorite tools for this dismantling? At the minimum get out and vote, encourage others to do so, and be prepared.

October 2, 2019 3:39 am

This part got my attention: humanity has a once-in-a- century chance to fix an economic model that is failing the majority of people on multiple fronts. … – Klein (above)

This is hogwash. Pure hogwash. The capitalist model that these people so despise, because they have no control of it, is exactly what allows people to thrive and move ahead. When I was a little girl, my father’s paycheck as a university department head was not high, but we had a garden where we could grow enough stuff to supply ourselves food for a year for a family of five (2 adults and 3 children). Scholarships were available then, and even more are available now.

As time passed, things got even better, and eventually, we ended up in a 4 bedroom house with enough room for another garden (no chickens this time, they were cheaper at the grocery store) and guess what? People plant suburban and urban gardens everywhere there’s room now. Some even raise a few chickens for the eggs the hens lay.

So how is this WORSE than that asinine fake Utopia that the Socialists think they can create, when they can’t even tell you where their food comes from, or why they buy clothing online when they could get patterns and fabric and do what I (LOVE) doing: make their own freaking clothing??????

Road construction in this area is nearly done, just ahead of winter weather. (The plows will be busy this winter.) The average wage for people in that line of work is published at the sites where work is going on: as much as $40’/hour, depending on the specific line of work. So just HOW IS THIS WORSE than what these crackpots offer? HOW????? OTR Truckers make d***d good money hauling goods from a depot to a distributor, so HOW IS THIS WORSE? HOW????

Not one of those morons can come up with an answer. All they know about is they want to control everything and everybody, but they can’t even control their own b*(*el movements. The more we know about them, the better. You can’t fight off the enemies of freedom, or a despotic slimeball, unless you know what they are up to.

They do NOT want people to have equality and opportunity, never did, and never will. It is pure, unadulterated crap spouted by crapweasels.

Thanks for the article, Allen.

Reply to  Sara
October 2, 2019 6:59 am

You are entirely correct Sara – thank you!

Some personal observations – I’ve also travelled on business to Castro’s Cuba.

In July of 1989 I entered East Berlin and East Germany through Checkpoint Charlie. The dreaded communist Honecker regime was still in power then; it was just four months before the Wall fell.

I wrote the following long ago and I didn’t keep track of dates then – probably about 2010.


I had the privilege and misfortune of travelling into East Germany in July of 1989, just before the fall of the Berlin Wall.

We were on a business mission to West Germany, and somehow our bosses had committed us at the last minute to a brief detour into the East.

One of our group refused to go, saying it was a despicable totalitarian sh!thole, so we agreed to meet him in Cologne.

We flew to Tegel airport in West Berlin, and were escorted by a Stasi driver though West Berlin. It was Friday night, and West Berlin looked exciting, electric..

We travelled though the Berlin Wall at Checkpoint Charlie, and the world changed. I had been sitting in the front seat beside the driver snapping photos, but when I tried to take one of the East German checkpoint, I felt resistance as I tried to lift my camera. The Stasi driver’s hand was on my camera holding it down, even as he looked the other way, talking through his window to the East German border guard.

We took a sharp left and then a sharp right onto the main street, called Unter den Linden. The majestic Brandenburg Gate was visible just behind us. As we passed the Reichstag, I lifted my camera to snap a picture. The driver stopped quickly to assist my photo, and it was suddenly obvious that there were no other vehicles on the street, and no pedestrians either.

We stayed at the Metropol Hotel that first night, and went for a walk after dinner. I had asked my dinner hosts if I could go for a jog in the morning, and was cautioned that “We do not jog in East Berlin” I then asked if I could go for a long walk, and was assured, with a telling look, “You can walk anywhere in East Berlin – you will be perfectly safe, not like your London and New York”.

We soon found out what he meant – every block had eight small kiosks staffed with police, two on each side of the street. At any time we were within easy view of perhaps ten such police posts. Again, we were the only people on the street. The police talked quietly with each other on their telephones, and seemed to know that we were no cause for alarm. Their primary job to prevent any attempts by East Germans to defect to the Western embassies located on Unter den Linden.

In our brief stay, we visited a mine to view some equipment, had interminable meetings in a very hot room, learned that the local cola beverage was called Prik Cola, and found that our business colleagues in East Germany were pretty human, much like ourselves.

I also had sufficient liberty to get away from our group, and was able to observe that East German infrastructure was crumbling, the roads, buildings, sewage systems, cars, trains, heavy equipment, electrics, electronics, etc. etc. etc. were fifty years out-of-date and falling apart. Environmental degradation by industry was severe and disgusting.

More significantly, the East German people were a fearful lot – frightened to death of me, lest someone think they were communicating with me and report them to the dreaded Stasi. Those condemned to the Stasi, and there were many, would lose their jobs and could wind up in prison – their lives would be ruined.

My friend was right – East Germany was a vicious totalitarian state, and worse. We all decided that we had seen enough, and agreed to leave a day early.

We took a taxi to the Wall, and negotiated our way through Checkpoint Charlie again, this time without the assistance of our Stasi driver, and spent the extra day walking around West Berlin.

We saw a memorial to those who had been killed trying to escape through the Wall. The last death took place a few months earlier in February 1989, when Chris Gueffroy died trying to escape into West Berlin. Gueffroy was hit in the chest by ten shots and died in the border strip. He was 20 years old.

Several months later the Wall fell, and I stayed up all night watching the celebrations on CNN.

Now that was a good day!


I recall our Canadian NDP leaders extolling the virtues of East Germany to the Canadian public, and their stories being dutifully reported by the Canadian press – how East Germany was the “Economic Engine of the Soviet Union”, “The Workers’ Paradise”, and all that other BS. I shall never forgive the Canadian left for these self-serving lies, and I will never believe a word they say.

A few years later, I was back in Berlin on another business trip. Although I no longer jogged, I walked to the Brandenburg Gate. Then, I broke into a slow jog, and ambled my way through the Brandenburg Gate and down Unter den Linden.

You see, now, we do jog in East Berlin.

October 2, 2019 8:42 am

Thanks for posting that recollection, Allen. I knew what East Berlin was really like, because one of my history teachers had been stationed in West Berlin long before the Wall fell, and he knew what it was like over there. And a very good friend, who was stationed in West Germany near the southern parts of the Wall (mostly razor wire and other fencing that was loaded with mines, had photos of East German soldiers shooting photos of him and his platoon. He and his platoon helped an escaped East German soldier who had climbed that razor wire to safety and got him medical treatment. He said he was surprised at how skinny the soldier was.

Please keep posting and exposing what Those People say and do. Awareness is a powerful weapon.

October 2, 2019 12:15 pm

Thank you for that story.

October 2, 2019 2:05 pm

Allan, paranoia can be treated you know!

Reply to  Andrew Pearson
October 2, 2019 3:33 pm

No, I don’t think I’m paranoid, troll-boy – the many pieces of evidence lead to only one credible conclusion – that stated in the article.

But if YOU ever feel paranoid, just remember the old adage:
“Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you!” 🙂

October 3, 2019 12:40 pm

Troll boy? Only people who are not sure of their position have to resort to infantile cheap shots.
As for paranoia, anyone who would seriously suggest that any Canadian political party could possible transform the country into something like a failed communist state has absolutely no understanding of Canadians as people or the political system that they have. Realistically, how do you think the population would ever tolerate such a thing? As long as we have elections, any government moves to implement what you are suggesting would be quickly stopped at the next election. If you fear something that is impossible, doesn’t that make you paranoid?
Finally, as for WUWT, I find the tendency towards a “Fox News” imitation style of website very disappointing indeed.

October 3, 2019 9:22 pm

So I “disappoint” you, Andrew troll-boy? Did I invade your save space too, little snowflake?


The great thing about writing articles like this is you inform and delight your friends, and inform and “disappoint” your detractors.

Stay “disappointed” troll-boy – it looks good on you.

October 4, 2019 9:49 am

safe space

Reply to  Andrew Pearson
October 3, 2019 7:32 am

Care to actually point to anything Allan said that is wrong?
Or are snide comments all your paid to produce?

Reply to  Sara
October 2, 2019 7:44 am

One constant around the world. The less capitalism, the more the poor suffer.

Look around the world, where ever you find extreme poverty, you find extreme socialism.

Even in China, they have improved the lot of the poor by allowing a measure of capitalism.

Tom Abbott
October 2, 2019 5:19 am

From the article: “Zero-carbon means huge changes for society. Prof Sir Ian Boyd, the government’s chief environment scientist, said the public had little idea of the scale of the challenge from Britain’s “Net Zero CO2” emissions target. Roger Harrabin of the BBC wrote: “People must use less transport, eat less red meat and buy fewer clothes if the UK is to virtually halt greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, the government’s chief environment scientist has warned. … We will all have to accept big lifestyle changes – travel less, eat less, consume less. But eventually some form of compulsion or rationing will be necessary, if climate targets are to be met.”

I really can’t see the people of the UK putting up with these kinds of restrictions. I *know* the people of the United States are not going to agree to any of this.

As soon as the public understands what the Alarmists/Greens have in store for them, they are going to reject it bigtime.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 2, 2019 8:53 am

Try taking my bacon and ham from me. Just… try….

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Sara
October 2, 2019 10:52 am

Luckily, my pork products self-identify as vegan, so I’m good…

old white guy
October 2, 2019 5:20 am

Communism by any other name…..

October 2, 2019 5:57 am

If the Democrats get their way and destroy the US economy and trash the Constitution, I’ll be heading north into Alberta…where I can ignore government like most of the natives do…Aye?

Reply to  DocSiders
October 2, 2019 4:54 pm

To trash the Constitution has always been the Democrats goal. The US was not meant to be a democracy. The Founding Fathers know the damage democracy does to a free society. By choosing the name ‘Democrats’ they told you exactly what their plan was. BIG (Brother) Government.

October 2, 2019 7:13 am

The “World Government” folks at the UN (and elsewhere) are convinced that rationing of resources is the primary solution to supporting the world’s population in future, hand in hand with their aphrodisiacal desire for power. Knowing that people won’t accept rationing without a “crisis” to focus on, they have selected climate and environment as their focus. Unfortunately “they know not what they do” as capitalism and free markets have resulted in humanity being better off in the world than ever before. U.N. needs to refocus their efforts on distribution of condoms.

Rod Evans
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 2, 2019 8:15 am

Actually DmacKenzie. The UN would be better off and so would the world beyond their headquarters if they championed capitalism. The great plus would be richer inhabitants on Earth, along with a much lower birth rate and a reducing world population all achieved without them actually having to engage in giving out condoms.

Andy Pattullo
October 2, 2019 8:52 am

Can’t wait to learn “newspeak” and get my own official, commemorative 1984, green-as-can-be, carbon neutral, organic, socially just TV that watches me more than I watch it.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 2, 2019 10:51 am

I’m sure there is a word generator out there.

Someone could adapt this, which I (literally, not making this up) when I had a photography business:

Seeing what passes for art these day, I’m pretty sure that anyone with an arts degree (which are dodgy to begin with) spends more time having this crap stuffed into them than they do actually learning art.

Matthew K
October 2, 2019 8:55 am

Could someone answer this question: If the US or Canada is lost to these fools, what happens to places like the Caribbean Island Nations like Aruba, Curacao, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Bermuda, Belize, Dominica, Barbados, St Kitts and Nevis…. you get my point. How will these nations be affected?

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Matthew K
October 3, 2019 7:22 am

And just where do you think “these fools,” are going to have their 2nd and 3rd vacation/winter homes built?

Surely not on Staten or Long Island, ….. or a neighbor to the Obamas.

October 2, 2019 9:02 am

I am curious. (Forgive my ignorance)
Is it possible (Legally) for a Canadian province to secede?
The question was answered violently down here in the states as an emphatic No.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Rotor
October 2, 2019 10:56 am

Well, the new law that the previous Liberal government of Jean Chretien put in place after Quebec came within 50,000 votes says “no”.

It is untested, however.

BTW, even Canadians find this boring, but scroll down to the bottom for the “latest”:

October 2, 2019 1:14 pm

Nova Scotia can afford such foolishness only as long as Alberta pays the bills – for Nova Scotia and all the other provinces.

Here is a summary of tax transfers from province to province. Since 1961, only Ontario, Alberta and BC are net positive, contributing more than they took out. Now, only Alberta is positive – Ontario’s economy has been largely destroyed by costly, intermittent, imbecilic green energy policies.

(AVERAGE ANNUAL IN 2017$), 1961-2017

Province 1961-2017 Per Family
Cdn$ Billions of Four (Cdn$)

NL -$172.3 -$1,254,228

PEI -$49.1 -$1,506,396

NS -$305.8 -$1,375,752

NB -$202.7 -$1,121,532

QC -$476.3 -$267,216

ON +$722.9 +$279,300

MB -$175.2 -$618,336

SK -$98.8 -$398,316

AB +$611.0 +$837,672
+2%int.+$906.5 +$1,242,827

BC +$120.8 +$125,628

TERR -$113.2 -$5,035,608

Source: Statistics Canada data and computations by R. Mansell and M. Khanal

Coeur de Lion
October 2, 2019 1:20 pm

History tells us that the first into the tumbrils or the three ton truck come the ‘revolution’ are the noisy intellectuals. The rather terse new regime doesn’t want chatter. Be careful what you wish for.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
October 2, 2019 1:44 pm

Indeed. If past revolutions are anything to go by, the same adults who are coddling these brats won’t know what hit them when the little zombies have run out of “climate deniers” to eat.

Or, as I say to people who think its ok to punch nazis: “Don’t forget, someone, somewhere on the political spectrum thinks YOU’RE a nazi, so don’t expect much assistance”.

David Blenkinsop
October 2, 2019 1:39 pm

One thing I really notice here is that Trudeau’s main opposition in the current election, Andrew Scheer appears to have fully bought in to the warmist narrative as well, despite promising to repeal the carbon tax. See, for instance, the recent questions to, and answers from Scheer on CBC television. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but it seems as though Canada’s main stream politicos will never get it, unless some scientific high priest eventually cuts them right off at the knees somehow?

October 2, 2019 1:52 pm

I’m not a Liberal supporter but nevertheless I see a problem with this piece. There is a federal election campaign under way right now in Canada and this article could easily be construed as a party-political campaign contribution. I’m no lawyer but the posting on WUWT of party-political campaign material is surely not within this site’s remit and in Canada may even be illegal unless it is declared as such.

Reply to  Andrew Pearson
October 2, 2019 3:09 pm

Andrew – I had a similar concern, so I made inquiries with a major Canadian newspaper and was assured that publishing this article was not a problem.

I have been told by two journalists that the likely reason the press are ducking this article is because they don’t want to lose their share of the $600 million that the Liberals have used to buy their loyalty – so they print soft-stories about Trudeau’s social gaffes, but nothing material that could do him real harm.

The newspaper industry is struggling to stay alive, and that government grants may be essential for their economic survival. “Don’t bit the hand that feeds you.”

October 4, 2019 11:35 pm

bite not bit

I type really fast, but not always really well. 🙁

Reply to  Andrew Pearson
October 3, 2019 7:35 am

Just more evidence of the evil of left wingers.
There desire to make sure that nobody but themselves are permitted to inform the people about elections and politicians.

October 2, 2019 3:16 pm

The CBC had the debate between supposedly undecided voters and yesterday, it was the turn of Conservative Leader Andrew Sheer. The low point was reached when some nobody voter claimed that his grandchildren will be fried by climate change and he asked the politician what he plans to do about that… And the politician obliged with stating his climate change plan.
None of them could read a satellite image and explain the weather events on it if their lives depended on it.
Absurdity of those two discussing a a subject they have no clue about.
Is that democracy in Canada?

Reply to  TomRude
October 3, 2019 9:41 am

“Absurdity of those two discussing a subject they have no clue about.
Is that democracy in Canada?”

Yes, and also in the USA, Britain, Europe, Australia, New Zealand …

We are governed by scoundrels and imbeciles.

Murphy Slaw
October 2, 2019 3:35 pm

They will have to pull my gas guzzling snow blower from my cold dead hands!

Sun Spot
October 2, 2019 4:20 pm

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken

Sun Spot
October 2, 2019 4:21 pm

Malcolm Gladwell ; “The tipping point is that magic moment when an idea, trend, or social behavior crosses a threshold, tips, and spreads like wildfire.”

Malcolm Gladwell ; “There are exceptional people out there who are capable of starting epidemics. All you have to do is find them.” ( Greta Thunburg, Al Gore, David Suzuki etc. etc. )

Reply to  Sun Spot
October 3, 2019 9:34 am

(Greta Thunburg, Al Gore, David Suzuki… … Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, Hugo Chavez…

Sun Spot
October 2, 2019 4:24 pm

Lets estimate how a Canadian 0.0058% reduction in total climatic CO2 will effect the climate, ahhhhh let me guess, maybe zero, nill, nothing, null.
. . . .
What’s hard to understand is that when the math say’s Canada’s GHG emissions of 1.8% of global emissions is so miniscule that 100% reduction won’t do anything why would a 20% or 30% do anything. Can we understand simple math,.
Here’s the math to understand the potential Canadian 0.0058% Global CO2 reduction.
• NOAA source: total Natural CO2 emissions about 210 billion tonnes of carbon (annual)
• NOAA source: man made fossil Fuel etc 38.2 billion tonnes of carbon
• Canadian CO2 emissions 722 Mega tonness
• Natural + Global-Man-made, 210 +38.2 = 248.2 Giga tones Total CO2
• 722,000,000 / 248,200,000,000 = 0.29% , this 0.29% is Canada’s total contribution to the carbon cycle
• If Canada cuts it’s CO2 by 20% that would leave Canada with 577.9 Mega tones total emissions
• 722,000,000 – 577,900,000 = 144,100,000 tonnes CO2 reduction
• Sooooooo 144,100,000 / 248,200,000,000 = 0.0058% total CO2 reduction Globally

BTW that figure of 210 Billion tonnes for natural CO2 emissions from NOAA is probably bogus. NOAA is a warmest-alarmist organisation and they deliberately low ball this figure, other science bodies put this figure at around 700 billion tonnes. This makes Canada’s CO2 reduction even less than 0.0058% of total global CO2

Sun Spot
October 2, 2019 4:28 pm

Moderator, Why are my post going in the crapper ????

old white guy
Reply to  Sun Spot
October 3, 2019 3:15 am

Many of mine do as well

October 3, 2019 8:17 am

The fundamental disconnect in Canada and the U.S. is urban elites dictating policy from a position of total economic immunity. If the source of wealth is foreign money laundering such as in BC, then policy impacts from agenda energy policy and agenda climate are of little direct concern.

October 3, 2019 11:23 am

I point out to my Canadian friends the impact of their votes for carbon taxes, etc to ‘fight climate change’ means that they are voting for implementation of the United Nations’ Agenda 21 (now Agenda 2030). You need look no further to understand any of this. Each city is declaring a ‘climate emergency’ on paper so as to increase regulations, or add more, on land development, consumption, energy use (that’s just the start of it), all in the name of ‘sustainable development’. Climate change, as they phrase it these days, is the overarching problem that knows no borders and therefore requires a World Government to bring it under control, equalize standards of living, collect money from rich countries and distribute as they see fit to poor countries. Almost universally, the eyes either glaze over, or squint in disbelief. They do not want to hear it, see it, talk about it. We do what we can …

Caligula Jones
October 3, 2019 1:46 pm

If you want an example of how the Liberals are using taxpayer’s money to buy good press from outlets like the Toronto Star (as if they wouldn’t give it up for free…), here’s two.

This one is one of my faves: a (barely) re-written press release. Usually, these are by some unpaid intern or a 20-something recent arts grad with a fancy title. But this is from The Star’s Queen’s Park “bureau chief”, which makes it even more pathetic. He quotes liberally (pardon the pun) from the report’s press release, quotes someone from the industry that paid for the press release, and, obviously, nothing from the (yet unreleased) report itself.

Can you imagine if the oil industry issued a report that said Liberal policies would decimate the industry?

And this one is worse:

“New research says job growth from clean energy will dramatically outpace that from fossil fuels over the next decade — as long as future Canadian governments maintain or increase attempts to fight climate change.”

Oh, and for the kicker:

“Liberals’ $600-million cleantech fund is losing money and struggling to find investments
Fund has invested in some firms that are failing to meet targets and that are at risk of defaulting”

Somehow, the word “unexpectedly” didn’t make the cut…

David Gray
October 3, 2019 5:31 pm

Hi Sirs / Madams:
Good Night! I have been listening to the Federal Party Leaders , over the past few weeks , making lots of promises concerning Climate Control. They have all committed their Federal Parties to some awesome promises. Now , we all know that promises are easily made but sometimes very difficult to keep.
Now , I am really concerned about our Canadian Prime Minister , Justin Trudeau. Over the past few months he has done things that I certainly do disagree with. How about his exclusive family vocation at his “Friend’s” place” How about legalizing the “weed”? I am quite sure that he uses the stuff , himself. Then there was the SNC affair which was a total disgrace of our Canadian Justice System. And what makes it even worse is that all the Liberal Members supported a leader like PM Trudeau , who has no scruples. We have a good Liberal Member , Scott Simms , here in Gander but I will never vote Liberal , as long as Trudeau is the Leader of the Liberal Party.

October 4, 2019 9:26 am

We already have climate refugees from Canada. They come to the US to avoid the winters.
Also, quite a few retire to South East Asia.

Jim de Boer
October 4, 2019 12:57 pm

There is a sane alternative to all the “climate emergency” alarmist parties in Canada: The People’s Party of Canada, led by Maxime Bernier, a true conservative. The PPC says “There is no scientific consensus on the theory that CO2 produced by human activity is causing dangerous global warming today or will in the future, and that the world is facing environmental catastrophes unless these emissions are drastically reduced.”

The PPC will withdraw from the Paris Accord, end carbon taxes, abolish subsidies for green technology, and get pipelines built. Have a look at their platform.

Steve Keppel-Jones
Reply to  Jim de Boer
October 8, 2019 9:54 am

Good call Jim. I might have to vote for them since the Conservative party seems to be a bunch of CINOs. Then, for those who think that voting for the Liberals or the Greens or the NDP is somehow any different than voting for the Communists, there is the actual Communist Party of Canada to vote for too. We have lots of options!

October 4, 2019 8:24 pm

Sadly I believe the article .
If this clown is reelected we deserve what we get however they will never get a chance
to exercise their 40 year socialist plan . The west will be long gone .
They can screw Ontario all they want for they will have got Trudeau reelected .
He is completely screwed in the West , ok except for pockets .
Billions in annual deficits , $2,500,000,000 .00 just missing ? Did the apology tour cost that much ?
The Liberal government has produced massive yearly deficits .and that’s in the “good ” times .
Seriously folks in Canada have a good think .

October 4, 2019 11:31 pm

This article, published Oct.1, 2019:

“The clear intent is to use the global warming smokescreen to restrict economic and political freedoms by transforming Western countries into tightly controlled totalitarian states.”
Excerpted from:

A more recent article, published Oct, 3, 2019:

“Economist Charles Steele explains how Democratic candidates for President are pushing energy socialism and why the attempt to meet their physically impossible goals, would require totalitarianism.”
Excerpted from:

Close enough.

October 5, 2019 6:02 pm

Mr. Dress UP deserves to go back to teaching drama .
Budgets balance themselves in his world .
Inter generational debt is child abuse no matter which party does it .
Trudeau just excels at it . Wait till we find out what is really going on .
I thought Canada was supposed to have a balanced immigration policy .
Why are two or three countries completely dominant in immigration .
China , India , and the Philippines?
The rest of the world is a rounding error .

October 15, 2019 10:38 am

Trudeau bought the Canadian press for $600 million – they won’t publish this story – so pass it on:

Proof: “Climate change: Big lifestyle changes ‘needed to cut emissions’- DEFRA Chief Scientist”,
BBC News, August 29, 2019

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