Leaving the EU is ‘more vital than climate change’ says poll as 36 per cent of voters claim Brexit is the most important political issue

From The Daily Mail

  • Climate change came third in list of priorities voters identified for Government
  • Eleven per cent of participants mentioned climate as top issues facing country
  • Second place was ‘tackling poverty’ on 12%, and ‘resolving Brexit’ top at 24%

By Harry Cole For The Mail On Sunday

Published: 18:48 EDT, 6 July 2019 | Updated: 20:22 EDT, 6 July 2019

Resolving Brexit should be the Government’s number-one priority – and is more important to voters than issues such as climate change, according to the results of a new survey.

Thirty-six per cent of people questioned by pollsters Opinium identified Brexit as the most important issue facing politicians.

MPs have so far been unable to reach a majority in the House of Commons to break the deadlock surrounding our departure from the EU – yet last month, they found enough common ground to declare a ‘climate emergency’.

Climate change came third in the list of priorities voters identified for the Government – 11 per cent mentioned it – while in second place was ‘tackling poverty’ on 12 per cent.

Resolving Brexit should be the Government¿s number-one priority ¿ and is more important to voters than issues such as climate change, according to a new survey. Pictured: Pro-Brexit protesters marching around Westminster in April

Resolving Brexit should be the Government’s number-one priority – and is more important to voters than issues such as climate change, according to a new survey. Pictured: Pro-Brexit protesters marching around Westminster in April

Climate change came third in the list of priorities voters identified for the Government ¿ 11 per cent mentioned it. Pictured: School students walk out in global climate strike in Trafalgar Square in May

Climate change came third in the list of priorities voters identified for the Government – 11 per cent mentioned it. Pictured: School students walk out in global climate strike in Trafalgar Square in May

Even though the environment is often seen as a particular concern to younger people, it was only marginally more important to those under the age of 35 who were questioned in the survey.

Nineteen per cent identified it as their main concern while 15 per cent of under-35s said helping the poor should come first. But both issues came behind ‘resolving Brexit’ at 24 per cent.

Asked what the worst thing was about Britain right now, 28 per cent of all voters said our bitterly divided politicians.

Sixteen per cent pointed to the crime rate, with 14 per cent citing wealth inequality and ten per cent the cost of living.

The survey about the state of the nation was commissioned by the modernising Conservative think tank Bright Blue, which warned that Brexit is drowning out other important policy issues, many of which affect younger generations.

When asked what the Government could be doing to help under-35s, the majority of all voters – 56 per cent – said making housing more affordable would provide the most assistance.

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July 7, 2019 10:57 pm

Smart People.
Leaving the EU will solve almost all of the man-made Climate Change problems for the UK.

Phil Rae
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 7, 2019 11:36 pm

Sadly, it won’t, Joel! British politicians have drunk deeply of the KoolAid and given up valuable debating time to listen in awe while Greta Thunberg addressed & lectured them in Parliament. Such nonsense!

However, leaving the EU will, at least, reduce the need to follow orders from a different group of politicians who certainly don’t have Britain’s best interests at heart. For that, we should all be thankful.

Reply to  Phil Rae
July 8, 2019 3:53 am

St Greta can SEE carbon dioxide. She s a demi goddess who must be listened to by politicians whilst on bended knees before this 16 year old wonder of the age.

Reply to  tonyb
July 8, 2019 9:44 pm

From what I heard it’s her Verdi singing mother that can see the Co2.
Like most women opera singers they think the world revolves around them, especially when they open their mouths…. which of course creates Co2 a plenty.

There’s a whole generation of BBC young artists have got the message, that gets you on radio if you can spout crap about climate change.
It’s the latest and greatest way of making sure your web site shows you are now a “great artist”.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Phil Rae
July 8, 2019 6:00 am

By failing to take a sensible route out of the EU it is much more likely that with a ‘no deal’ Brexit the UK will be forced to sign up to EU global warming policies as a price for getting a trade deal. That is the problem with grandiose trade deals – they are more about other things than trade.

son of mulder
Reply to  Gerry, England
July 8, 2019 9:11 am

There is a massive trade imbalance between the UK and the EU. The UK buys many £Millions more from the EU. If there are tarrifs then the EU will be the losers. The Remain establishment are against No-Deal because that is their desperate attempt to keep the UK in the anti-Democratic, nascent European Regional Superstate (EU) that has been the objective since it was envisioned in the 1940’s and covertly foisted on the British People over 50 years.

In the event of No-Deal there are many bilateral agreements already made to keep planes flying, ports open etc. There is also the option of using GATT 24 to cushion a No-Deal Transition.

The sooner the UK is out and independent again, the better.

Reply to  son of mulder
July 8, 2019 8:08 pm

From what I have seen of the trade figures pretty on the money. The German auto-industry alone would be in a world of hurt if the UK does not trade with the EU as it is 20% of there exports.

Reply to  Phil Rae
July 8, 2019 8:42 am

Here in the States we even have a whack job running for POTUS … Marianne Williamson. She was a penniless, homeless, woman with no education or talent … until she read “a magic document” which combined Christianity with New Age crystals, Positive thinking, and love. Then … she was adopted by Hollywood celebrities, and the “intelligentsia” of NYC as a “Holy Woman” … and voila! the money came rolling in! The mere fact that a nutbar like her could show up on a Democrat candidate debate stage … should give every citizen a pause. And ask how idiotic our politicians have become.

Oh!? And “LOVE” as a personal quality and moto? That’s wonderful. Everyone should practice more love between one another. However, what our politicians need to practice is called TOUGH love. As in, doing what is best in the long run … not just what sounds good, or feels good in the moment. The kind of love a caring parent gives their child, to help equip them for the rigors of the REAL world. The kind of wisdom only an adult gathers with experience … not the shallow bleatings of a “wise” Eco-child.

Reply to  Phil Rae
July 8, 2019 1:20 pm

Things will change quickly when the number one issue in the polls is, how to pay the higher prices created by all the new green requirements.

Reply to  Phil Rae
July 9, 2019 3:00 am

So instead of stupid politicians 500 km away, you have stupid politicians 50 km away? Well, I guess that’s an improvement at least.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 7, 2019 11:50 pm

Yep. We know, even if our useless ‘leaders’ don’t.

David Young
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2019 12:53 am

While I believe leavening the corrupt and undemocratic EU is indeed important, it will not relieve the UK of the responsibilities of the 2008 Climate Change Act nor May’s net-zero madness.

I regularly argue with hyperventilating Remoaners in comments at my local rag’s website, which itself has a pro EU and climate change editorial policy. It (wryly) amuses me that while these individuals will whinge and moan at the supposed financial cost of leaving the EU, they remain completely oblivious to the cost (financial, political, social and environmental) of ‘combatting’ climate change. Brexit, in comparison, is merely but a sideshow.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2019 4:18 am

The UK has its share of domestic climate loonies. Just look at “Plane Stupid”, Franny Armstrong with her “10:10” movement, “Extinction Rebellion” and so on. These group will continue to exist after Brexit and they’ll try to implement their policies on a national level. Besides, even as of today the the UK has the “Climate Change Act” in force which is one of the fiercest pieces of CO2 reduction legislation in all of Europe. But it’s strictly a national thing, not EU-mandated or anything, so it’ll stay.

Reply to  anorak2
July 8, 2019 4:39 am

Once politicians can no longer blame the EU for “forcing them” to do all the daft things that they loved being “forced” to do by the EU, and once the populace realise that the issue wasn’t the EU but our own dishonest politician’s use of the EU to avoid the need for a democratic mandate, I think the politics of the UK will quickly start to reflect far more what ordinary people want and far less what the idiotic lobby groups, journalists, politicians and other anti-democratic forces try to force through.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2019 6:28 am



On Europe:

Britain and the Magna Carta countries (the British Empire/ Commonwealth and the USA) sacrificed the best of our youth to save Europe during two World Wars. I have a great-uncle buried in France, killed in the last days of WW1, and an uncle who was the only surviving officer of his unit at the Dieppe raid during WW2, where he rescued the only ten surviving enlisted men – of the 110 who landed on the beach.

We owe Europe nothing, and I would never support another rescue mission, which appears increasingly likely. Europe is failing due to imbecilic leftist politics, and does not deserve to be rescued again.

I just returned from Thailand, where I met a French citizen. We spoke all evening at a party where everyone else spoke Thai and/or English. He said he was completely finished with Europe, and will move overseas as soon as he can. He spoke of the creeping takeover of France by radical Muslims and their violence against civilians and the authorities. I ventured that Europe was failing, and in mere decades would become little more than a museum due to its foolish leftist politics – he enthusiastically agreed.

On Brexit:

Britain will be vastly better-off out of the EU. The economic future of Britain should reside in a new Free Trade Agreement with the USA and the Commonwealth – as we leave Europe to fail under its imbecilic leftist/green energy policies.

Best, Allan

Johann Wundersamer
July 13, 2019 6:57 pm

Allan, fascism evolves from the heart of the people:

– first there’s a fascistic people

– second this fascistic people finds its leaders

NOT the other way ’round!

“was fuer ein Glueck dass ihr mich gefunden habt”



Till today there’s no medicine healing peoples cancer. In the long run peoples evolve cancer.

Sit back and weep. Or leave.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2019 8:54 am

Guardian front page story today: UN Secretary General spouts off about the unreported daily impact of climate change. Costing us some $500 Billion annually, but would take just $2.5 billion to fix. That’s the nonsense Extinction Rebellion is incentivised by and will never ever listen to reason.

July 7, 2019 11:10 pm

The question, as reported, did not say whether leaving or not leaving was the answer but rather seemed to say that the argument was the issue.

July 7, 2019 11:12 pm

Joe, 7 the July , is he right and its the EU Climate change problems which
are driving the so called “Climate emergency” deceleration in the UK

With the UK climate as I remember it, solar is not a option, far too cloudy,
and the wind when it does blow is often far too strong for the windmills to
safely operate.


Reply to  Michael
July 8, 2019 1:14 am

Michael: there’s certainly nothing unusual going on England. Here, it’s a typical summer, not particularly hot, with a good dose of rain. The English climate hasn’t changed over the years, despite all the press hysteria – I’m 70 years old, and can only look on with amazement at all the garbage in the media about the supposed dangerous climate change that’s all our fault.
Lest anyone thinks I’m imagining it, and all those scientists must be right (!) here’s some data to have a look at and check for yourselves:
The Central England Temperature record (CET) is, as everyone who visits this site regularly knows, the oldest existing temperature record.
In December 2010, we had the lowest temperature for that month in 120 years. It was -0.7C, and -0.8C way back in 1890.
The summers of 1975 and 1976 were regarded as being good summers in the UK – that is to say, hot and dry as opposed to variably cold, windy and miserable. We had to wait a long time until 2018, another exceptional summer.
Let’s go back have a look at 1976 compared with 2018.
To keep things tidy, I’m simply going to list the temperatures in degrees Celsius sequentially from January through to July.
For 1976: 5.9 4.5 4.8 8.1 12.1 17.0 18.7
For 2018: 5.3 2.9 4.9 9.8 13.2 16.1 19.1
I’ve been trawling through the record to see which year had the hottest of each month.
Jan of 1916 shows 7.5C, February of 1779 7.9C, March of 2017 8.7C, April of 1865 10.6C, May of 1833 15.1C, June of 1846 18.2C, July of 2006 19.7C.
Going on from July for completeness, we see August of 1997 at 18.9C, September of 1729 16.6C, October of 2001 13.3C, November of 1818 and 2015 tie at 9.5C, and finally we have December of 2015 with 9.7C.
Here’s a link to the CET:
What is striking is the frequency of yearly averages above 10C around since around the mid 1990s.
Is this a real finding, or due to say, a change in instrumentation at the Met Office? This seems very odd – yet you’ll see temperatures of 10C elsewhere in the record; this is not news.
Nothing in the media is to be trusted. Dig deeper into all their claims, and look at historical records if they’re available. Our politicians have fallen for the climate nonsense hook, line, and sinker, as the old saying goes. They’d rather believe Greta Thunberg and the baying Extinction mob than consult scientists with views that contradict the media junk. Climate emergency? Absurd.

Reply to  Michael
July 8, 2019 1:30 am

Solar has always been viable in the UK – what is not viable is solar PV. That was one of the great con tricks of the Wind Lobby: to get “green energy” equated to electricity and then to exclude hydro and therefore with nothing but expensive wind being a contender for “green energy” nothing ever was done to support solar hot water heating – instead what little money went to solar went to the entirely ridiculous and almost certainly ENERGY CONSUMING technology of solar PV (given the lack of output in the UK and the cost).

Heating water by solar was by and far the easiest and cheapest way to get green energy (especially when most people had separate hot water tanks and not instantaneous boilers). The payback period was as low as 2 years, compared to around 50years for solar PV

Indeed, the lack of support for solar hot water is undoubtedly one of the best indicators that this whole scam had nothing at all to do with saving energy and was ONLY a means to get the gullible politicians to buy wind.

Patrick MJD
July 7, 2019 11:31 pm

18,000 jobs to go at Duetsche Bank the break up of the EU could be about to start. For me makes no difference living in Aus however, I would be happy to see it go. An experiment that was doomed to fail.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 8, 2019 1:03 am

Hi Patrick,
Why? The alternative to the EU was two world wars caused by conflict between France
and Germany. Do you really want a third world war? In 55 years since the end of WWII
France and Germany went from fighting to the death to sharing a currency. Which is a
remarkable achievement and something to be celebrated.

Wallaby Geoff
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 3:44 am

Do you think an EU would have stopped Hitler? Hitler didn’t honour any treaty that he didn’t agree with.

Mark Gilbert
Reply to  Wallaby Geoff
July 8, 2019 5:08 am

Some people need to read a history book or two. The EU looks to me like the third world war in Europe. It is just a financial one, and once again, run by the Germans (who have all the money).
I was in Germany a few months ago, and Germans talk about how the EU is to make Europe like the United States. They do not really understand how the US works.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 4:58 am

Somehow blacked out in British MSM is the EU Defense Union going full steam ahead with no public discussion. That is aimed , again, at Russia. When you listen to Stoltenberg of NATO it too is aimed at Russia. Farrage should stop talking about an EU Army, it is an EU Defense Union. Brexit is having no effect on this, so far.
Odd that you fail to mention Sterling, not quite an Euro, what?
It’s always been about Russia, from Napoleon on.
And now Trump is dumping that rotten geopolitics, meeting with Putin, so the Mail leaks derisive comments by UK Amb. Darroch–Knight Commander of the Order of St. Michael and St. George, a career intelligence officer-diplomat who served arch-imperialist Tony Blair as Ambassador to the European Union from 2007 to 2011 and David Cameron as National Security Advisor from January 2012-Sept. 2015.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 5:16 am

WW2 was a Franco-German war?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 5:37 am

“Izaak Walton July 8, 2019 at 1:03 am
Why? The alternative to the EU was two world wars caused by conflict between France
and Germany. Do you really want a third world war? In 55 years since the end of WWII”

Bafflegab nonsense.
There was a league of nations that failed to prevent WWII.
The EU is just a variation of the League of Nations, intended to improve and increase industry and trade through unity.
Currently the EU is failing that goal.

“Izaak Walton July 8, 2019 at 1:03 am
France and Germany went from fighting to the death to sharing a currency. Which is a
remarkable achievement and something to be celebrated.”

Germany and France have only been using the Euro officially as their sole currency since 1999-2002.
The French Franc is still a viable currency in use throughout the world, especially in Switzerland.

Calling the Euro a success after only 16 years is presumptuous. Whether the Euro will survive as a viable currency is still debated. A number of countries that are considering leaving the European Union favor reestablishing their traditional currencies.

Germany went from Nationalist Socialists in mid 20th century to democracy and is currently descending back into socialism.
France is a democracy that flirts with socialism and communism.
Both countries still bow to a noble class within their countries.
All it takes is for a tyrannical leader to take control and redirect the country’s efforts into war for them to return to a war footing.

It is not the European Union that prevents war. It is the lack of aggressors bent upon conquering territory and populations; e.g. Napoleon during the 19th century and Hitler during the 20th century.

Stalin was a threat until his death and several of his successors are still threats. The European Union is ineffective at thwarting Russia.
Until recently, NATO was the active protective agency against aggression in Europe. A force that the EU is weakening further every year; especially since the USA is unwilling to foot the costs for protecting Europe when the EU is anti-American.

Currently there are still a number of socialist, communist and theocracy governments that can reignite war.
It sure isn’t the EU that prevents war.
Especially when one considers that the EU is unelected bureaucracy with tyrannical officials that are frequently clueless to reality; e.g. the EU’s use of carbon dioxide demonization to destroy democracy, ruin industry and establish crippling taxation.

Reply to  ATheoK
July 8, 2019 5:53 am

Sorry I have to point out some factual errors.

“The French Franc is still a viable currency in use throughout the world, especially in Switzerland.”

The French Franc ceased to exist as of 2002, same as all other previous currencies of Euro member countries. The Swiss Franc is a different currency, its only commonality with the French Franc is the name.

“Germany went from Nationalist Socialists in mid 20th century to democracy and is currently descending back into socialism.”

No it isn’t.

“Both countries still bow to a noble class within their countries.”

Neither France nor Germany have nobility. The German one was abolished in the 1918 revolution following WW1.

@ATheoK: Where are you resided?

Reply to  anorak2
July 8, 2019 8:13 am

If Germany isn’t socialist, what is it?
Just because they don’t have government recognized titles, does not mean they don’t have nobility.

Reply to  anorak2
July 8, 2019 8:27 am

@MarkW Germany is many things I can’t begin to list, but socialist is not one of them. Why? Because socialism is defined as state ownership of businesses, and Germany doesn’t have that. They’re privately owned. Germany has some things that right wing Americans might label “socialist”, such as comparatively high taxes, and a welfare system (not a very great one at this time). Neither has anything to do socialism though, calling it that reduces the word to a meaningless political catchphrase.

“Just because they don’t have government recognized titles, does not mean they don’t have nobility.”

Repeat: All privileges of the former German nobility were abolished in 1918. They were allowed to keep their former titles as parts of their name, so nowadays a “von” or a “Baron” can exist but it’s just a part of a family name and is not associated with privileges of any kind. Also there is a yellow press that reports about them, but this is no different from American media reporting about celebrities whose only achievement is being born famous.

Reply to  anorak2
July 8, 2019 4:01 pm

Ownership maybe not. However state control of business is also socialism.
Socialism is also high taxes on the productive in order to buy the votes of the non-productive.

Look at how the elected officials and high bureaucrats are pampered.
Nobility in all but name.

Reply to  anorak2
July 8, 2019 6:23 pm

Pretty much, anything less than government ownership of everything, is some form of capitalism.

Reply to  anorak2
July 8, 2019 9:00 pm

@MarkW “Pretty much, anything less than government ownership of everything, is some form of capitalism.”

Yes, or feudalism.

You know, telling someone they live in a “socialist” country, who grew up next door to an actual socialist country whose regime ended 30 years ago, and whose citizens flocked to the west to embrace what so far used to be called “capitalism”, is kind of bizarre.

Socialism exists today in Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, North Korea and China, end of list.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 5:59 am

Are you seriously saying there would have beeen another world war had it not been for the EU?
There has been no further war between France and Gerrmany for two reasons:
1. No reason for war in the first place.
2. They are both strong democracies.
I believe that democracy is the best protection against war. It’s difficult to think of any real shooting wars between two genuine democracies.
The EU is not just non democratic, it’s anti democratic. Its whole purpose is to snuff out the democratic nations and force them into an empire ruled from Brussels. Fortunately it will fail, as it always fails. Brexit is a sign of what is to come.

Bryan A
Reply to  Chris Wright
July 8, 2019 10:08 am

In all likelihood there will be another WW but it will either be against the Arab States or based on religious affiliations with religious radicals in Arab Nations and SE Asia

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 8:11 am

In what passes for your mind, the only thing keeping Germany and France from fighting each other was the EU? Really? Nothing else in the world changed over that time period?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 2:14 pm

So instead of a war to defend the freedoms of your country, just preemptively submit to a centralized, unelected government? Hitler would be so proud (and jealous).

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 9:07 pm

The EU has only existed for roughly 25 years (Maastricht Treaties), so it can’t be responsible for 70 years of peace.

Until the EU was formed, its predecessor was called the EEC. The difference roughly speaking is that the EU strives to become a unified state, has abolished internal border controls, introduced a unified currency, strives to unify legislation, a common foreign policy, and is now aiming at forming an army, when the EEC did none of this, or only in a very watered down version.

I’m pretty sure there would be far fewer problems if it had remained the EEC (but still with new members from eastern Europe). There would be no Euro with all of its associated problems, there would be border controls in place, and likely there would be no counter-reactions such as Brexit or the rise of conservatism in Hungary and Poland. But Germany and France would still be at peace, that doesn’t depend on the Euro being in place. On the contrary, if the Euro crashes nations will be at each other’s throats.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
July 8, 2019 10:10 pm

“The alternative to the EU was two world wars caused by conflict between France
and Germany.”
I take great exception to this kind of remark.

The first war was mostly caused by the suicidal interbreeding of European monarchies, and their equally suicidal construct of treaties of self defense post Bismarck.
I don’t recall France having a monarchy post 1789.

You seem to have more or less total ignorance of the facts about the 2nd war.
America was brought into that via an attack on Pearl Harbour.
What did France and Germany have to do with that, and the 100s of 1000s of casualties in the pacific?

The vast majority of casualties of the European war theatre were concentrated not in France but in post Operation Barbarossa RUSSIA, & the USSR.
The casualties of the current EU 29 pale into insignificance compared with the 1000 day siege of Leningrad, and the sheer barbarity of the war in the east.

As for now in the EU, since when does a non elected body have the right to tell elected bodies in say Italy or Greece, how to run their countries, or supply unending subsidies to Eastern Europe?

If they want to commit economic suicide let them do it,just cut off the subsidy and wealth redistribution gravy train, and tell them to DIY.

Better know what you are on about.

Adam Gallon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 8, 2019 2:09 am

The 18,000 jobs lost at Deutsche Bank, has zero to do with any putative break-up of the EU.
The jobs are going, as they’re abandoning their share trading side & reverting to their origins, as a bank supporting German industry.
They’re also shutting their Australian equities division, so job losses there too.
So, abandoning an increasingly unprofitable equities trading division & concentrating on corporate banking.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Adam Gallon
July 8, 2019 5:21 am

Seems a lot of posts have been “disappeared”.

WWI started by Franco – German fighting? No!

WWII started by Franco – German fighting? No!

So your points, which seem to have “gone”, are moot!

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 8, 2019 9:12 am

Add to that a train wreck coming in the auto sector and it does look bad. Diesel cheating was propping up the EU. Now Boeing is also helping.

July 7, 2019 11:35 pm

Do you think so? 😉

The people who want UK to deindustrialize could gain momentum from the fact that they can set up a national standard which is even more ambitious than that of the EU.

Never underestimate the power of the stupidity. I admit when the UK leaves the EU, the politicians no longer can hide behind the backs of the faceless EU bureaucrats. That will improve their responsiveness if not responsibility.

The climate change people support the EU, because the big government always helps hiding toxic pills in multipage (multi-book) bills.

Reply to  Hugs
July 8, 2019 12:50 am

The reason the politicians love the EU, is because by and large the great divide is between politicians and everyone else. So, as a group, the politicians can’t get the support they need from the people to go ahead with the hare brained schemes, so instead, what they do is to get the EU to “force them” to do what they always wanted to do AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

So, e.g. on massively raising energy prices to sacrifice to the gods of the Green cult: politicians know that they haven’t a chance in hell of getting that policy supported at a general election. So, what they do, is get the EU to “force” the UK to adopt the same policies …. and then the politicians blame “the EU”, when in fact they were the ones lobbying for it.

The EU is literally “anti-democratic” in the sense it was created in order to bypass democratic control by citizens and allow the politicians=press cartel to rule without democratic oversight.

Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
July 8, 2019 2:07 am


Great post.

Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
July 8, 2019 2:57 am


Yes. You only have to look or surmise at the now goings on in the dark corridors of Brussels as the bureaucratic machine tussles with sorting out who is going to get the top jobs. All totally oblivious to the democratic process.

July 8, 2019 12:05 am

One is an existential threat, the other is some nonsense about supposed weather patterns.

July 8, 2019 12:43 am

The climate will take care of itself – but what is going to need work is to bring these anti-democratic politicians under the control of the people so that they start doing what the people want them to do and stop doing just what the hell they like.

And the fact one of their pet “we won’t ask the people because they won’t agree and so just go ahead with it despite the strongly felt views of the people who don’t want it” … happens to be the climate cult madness, … makes bringing these politicians under democratic control all the more important.

Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
July 8, 2019 2:02 am

Ah, but “want the people want them to do” conveniently is much the same as the ideas of the politicians themselves. After years of dumbed-down education, and ideology preaching at “schools and colleges”, the average pleb believes what they’re being told by the alarmists and activists, and so they’re leaping onto the bandwagon – hence these strange marches of the great unwashed, and misguided schoolchildren.

Reply to  Old Goat
July 8, 2019 4:51 am

Whilst it is true that the political-journalistic-academic cartel that has ruled Britain since mass media first started brainwashing us, is not going to go away simply by leaving the EU, the fact that the people have gone against their brainwashing to vote to leave the EU, was largely due to the rise of social media, the ability to talk about ideas outwith the old brainwashing of the media.

The next step must surely be to take away public funding from the BBC – which looks increasingly likely. That then leaves the old press and media much denuded in power and ability to brainwash us, the impact will be a sea change in politics away from the old cartel and toward politicians )(like Trump) whose politics are more in line with what ordinary people want and not what the journalists, academics were telling them they had to do.

Another area that is ripe for reform is academia. No one can tell me that with the rise of online resources, that we still need anywhere near as academics. And neither do I believe a fraction of the current “research” (aka political campaigning) in social subjects is of any value to society. Indeed much of it is positively harmful. As such, as part of the same great change in society, the left-wing academia’s days are also numbered.

Then as we get more and more politicians responding to the views of ordinary people, the end of the Biased Corps brainwashing and the rise of newer media sources with a focus on giving people what they want and not the old style force feeding us the political views of journalists. We’ll see and end to this climate cult as well as a lot of other PC nonsense.

Leaving the EU is not so much the cause of the end of the climate cult, as part of the same greats social reform movement!

Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
July 8, 2019 9:24 pm

Abolishing science and universities just because some of it is corrupt would be mega stupid

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Mike Haseler (Scottish Sceptic)
July 8, 2019 3:12 am

To paraphrase Caligula, “I wish the politicians had but one head!”

ivor ward
July 8, 2019 12:51 am

If climate change is so important I wonder why they always hide the CC laws and giveaways in obscure bills on a Friday afyernoon. Strange….

July 8, 2019 1:47 am

It’s a zombie politics. However there is a definite SC25 sunspot (2744) in the south hemisphere.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
July 8, 2019 1:59 am

The EU moderate right-wing party (EPP) lost seats in the last European parliament election, but remains the largest party. Looking at their programme, under Weber, they are taking distance from cAGW. UK Conservative Party suffered under Theresa May’s leadership and hopefully learned something. If not, the main cAGW engines, UN and Met Office, will continue even stronger after Brexit.

Gerald the Mole
July 8, 2019 3:00 am

The biggest problem in the UK is a shortage of competence and integrity in the ruling classes.

Reply to  Gerald the Mole
July 8, 2019 5:03 am

So they set up Integrity Initiative.
There, fixed it.

Reply to  Gerald the Mole
July 8, 2019 6:14 am

The problem is that we have a class of people who believe they should rule – and who believe it is perfectly acceptable to let everyone else suffer the poor quality biased education subject to the politicised rantings of academia dressed up as “science” …. because that way the sheeple have absolutely no choice but economic suicide through labour or green nuttery or to vote in the members of the “ruling class” who ensured they were the only ones who got a decent education.

July 8, 2019 3:37 am

leaving the EU is all about taking control of our borders (i.e. keeping immigrants out). Just like trumps supporters they have been easily convinced that all our problems are caused by “immigrants”.
They are to ignorant to realise that the NHS relies heavily on trained EU nationals.
They are too ignorant to realise that EU aids farmers and fishermen (leave means providing these 2 groups with a £9billion handout from the uk) were helped by the eu
They are too ignorant to realise that industry has changed since joining EU – there was no such thing as just in time manufacture back in 1973.
The are too ignorant to realise that free trade will stop leading to the eu putting up prices of food imports.
They were too ignorant to realise £350M per week to EU was a lie
They were too ignorant to realise that the threat of 5.2 millions Turkish immigrants were just waiting to arrive at our shores in 2020 (turkey is not an eu country nor will it be by 2020!!)

Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 8, 2019 5:07 am

A classic Hilary rant – deplorables threw her entire entourage out.
Now the new unelected EU Commission of course knows better than any deplorable.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 8, 2019 5:23 am

“Just like trumps supporters they have been easily convinced that all our problems are caused by “immigrants”.

I don’t think Trump supporters blame “immigrants” for all their problems or even any of their problems.

Trump supporters want to have control over who comes and goes in the United States, because not everyone is a nice person, and Republicans want the laws of the United States followed.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 8, 2019 8:18 am

Like most leftists, ghalfrunt can’t argue on the facts, so he makes up his own.

Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 8, 2019 6:25 am

‘They were too ignorant to realise £350M per week to EU was a lie.’

I think you missed the court case just last week where the judge threw our a case against Boris and agreed his 350million figure was correct

Reply to  tonyb
July 8, 2019 7:50 am

When did a judge agree that the figure was correct? As far as I’m aware the defense was that it wasn’t up to Vote Leave to decide if it was correct or not.

Reply to  tonyb
July 8, 2019 8:09 am

So it’s quite ok now for Boris to lie during a vote? This is what the court ruling says.

No one believes the side of the bus statement about £350/M. Even Boris says he didn’t want it!!!!!!!!!!!! despite videos to the contrary.

Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 8, 2019 12:46 pm

Here’s the judgement


The figure is actually higher as according to the economist there is a 32 billion a year cost of compliance, in addition we subscribe to the eu wide tenders scheme which sees another 10 billion a year going to our neighbours, not to forget that we have a 90 billion year trade deficit with the EU.


Reply to  Tonyb
July 8, 2019 2:20 pm

That doesn’t say the 350M figure was correct, just that it would be correct if stated as a gross figure, or would have been correct if stated as 250M net – which everyone accepts.

Here’s what I assume is the full judgement:


As far as I can tell the judgement says nothing about whether the statement was misleading, just that Johnson wasn’t acting as a public official and that making misleading statements doesn’t fall within the narrow scope of electoral legislation.

Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 8, 2019 6:50 am

“They are to ignorant to realise that the NHS relies heavily on trained EU nationals.”

With around 4 million EU nationals in the UK many of the ‘trained EU nationals’ are busy dealing with their own countrymen and women.

” They are too ignorant to realise that EU aids farmers and fishermen (leave means providing these 2 groups with a £9billion handout from the uk) were helped by the eu”

We make a net contribution of some 12 billion a year to the EU which once netted out means an annual membership of some 8Billion. How can that possibly translate to a 9 billion hand out from the EU?

Do bear in mind as well that we dropped some of our ‘rebate’ in the early 2000’s in order that some of the Common Agricultural Policy monies could be reduced, but the agreement was reneged on.

We also have a trade deficit of some £90 billion a year with the EU of which a substantial proportion are agricultural products from France Holland and Spain.

JIT is an absurd system that requires lorries criss crossing the continent. A 48tonne lorry exerts 136000 times more pressure on the roads than a 1 ton car apart from the fuel emissions and brake and tyre dust how does it help our roads or environment to encourage JIT?

You do realise that to this day Turkey receives some 1 billion a year in order from the EU to prepare them for membership?

Reply to  tonyb
July 8, 2019 8:19 am

If there is a shortage of trained professionals, they can still more to Britain. It’s not like leaving the EU creates an impenetrable barrier between the two.

Reply to  tonyb
July 9, 2019 4:48 am

JIT is an absurd system that requires lorries criss crossing the continent.

If you want cheap vehicles, white goods etc JIT is what it takes.
If the uk is to make subsystems of the product then JIT or no JIT still requires the same number of road miles.

JIT means no warehousing, no stock counting against profits etc. This gives lower end price

Reply to  tonyb
July 9, 2019 4:54 am

EU assistance to turkey – is this so bad?
Turkey – financial assistance under IPA II
EU allocations for IPA 2014-2020: €4,453.9 million (not including the allocation for Cross-border Cooperation)
The priority sectors for funding in this period are:
Democracy & governance
Civil society
Home affairs
Education, employment and social policies
Regional and territorial cooperation

Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 8, 2019 12:31 pm

I am too ignorant to know that the NHS also relies on people from the wider world and that, by taking from the “EU” we are looking to save money. It UK universities were not so commercially based, they would be able to train more UK students rather than grabbing the fees from foreign students. The EU aides farmers by giving us back SOME of the money that we gave them in the first place! The CAP is mostly to perpetuate the unsustainable French farming industry. The £350M per week was an example and was NEVER stated to be just for the NHS. Leaving the EU is not just about immigration(which will still happen but we will be able to choose who we let in) but about control of our country, democracy (remember that??)
I object to you calling me ignorant but understand that it is the standard accusation from the brainwashed remainers.
Have a nice day!

Reply to  Greytide
July 9, 2019 4:59 am

Apologies greytide.
ignorant is not a word I would normally use.

Mis-informed would be better?

Reply to  ghalfrunt
July 10, 2019 12:02 pm

Not mis-informed either. I make my own decisions based on research. You, however, appear to regurgitate the MSM trash that befits a brainwashed Remainer. Each to their own, democracy shall be upheld when we leave the undemocratic EU.

michael hart
July 8, 2019 4:42 am

“Climate change came third in the list of priorities voters identified for the Government –…”

How about the government actually take note of what the voters vote for, not something somebody waving a self-interested poll result in their face wants to identify as a priority for them?

Reply to  michael hart
July 9, 2019 4:57 am

the Brexit vote was close. it was swayed by lies about costs.
It was swayed by immigrant fear

Now we know the costs and benefits of leaving. Should the populace have a chance to democratically vote on what is known now

July 8, 2019 6:00 am

Any chance of a link to the actual poll? Unless you know the question asked and what options were available it’s impossible to make any sense of the results.

Also, how can 36% think that Brexit is the most important political issue but only 24% think that “resolving Brexit” is the most important issue? Does that mean 12% don’t want it resolved?

Reply to  Bellman
July 8, 2019 11:47 am

In poll answers people virtue signal even to themselves. They know what the “right” answer is, the answer a “good” person would give and they tend to give it. So it’s actually pretty amazing that these Brits express so little proper “progressive” virtue. For example, I am surprised so few checked off “helping the poor”.

Encouraging. Go Brits! Get free of the bureaucratic monster that is the EU.

Philip Schaeffer
Reply to  Bellman
July 10, 2019 9:20 pm

Yep. Pretty hopeless journalism, but it is from the Daily Mail so that’s to be expected.

Exactly what does “resolved” mean anyway, and does it necessarily mean leaving the EU?

Perhaps charles the moderator could provide us a link to the actual poll?

July 8, 2019 6:03 am

Third place for climate change represents all the ad placements effect.

Good science is probably down at 1 percent.

R Taylor
July 8, 2019 7:00 am

Orthodox pollsters seem to suggest “tackling” only one issue per poll. I assume it is the issue they want the respondents to imagine most vividly. The response from these silly Brits would likely have been different if the issues were “poverty” and (as it is usually put) “tackling climate change”.

July 8, 2019 11:14 am

If any country would benefit from ‘Climate Change’ it is the British Isles. Any change from the present dank, cold, depressing climate would have to be for the better. The public is certainly right however that getting out of the cabalistic fascist EU is the top priority. British politicians have been behaving shamefully for three years in the deluded belief that staying in the EU benefits the UK in any way, The EU is simply a wealth transfer mechanism for the benefit of the Central Axis Germany.

michael hart
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
July 8, 2019 4:38 pm

And we silly Brits know it.
The Global-Warming Met Office used to threaten us with “a Mediterranean Climate”.

Then somebody probably had a quiet word in their ear and said “You do know, don’t you, that the British like to go on vacation to the Mediterranean countries?”
It’s one of those Homer Simpson moments I like to visualize.

July 8, 2019 1:24 pm

Washing my dog is more important than “climate change”.

Reply to  F.LEGHORN
July 8, 2019 5:06 pm


July 8, 2019 6:45 pm

To try to understand the mess that Europe is in, we have to understand how two world wars made a mess of the basics of their economies. So lets go back a few years.

First the UK created the Industrial revolution, and understandably it was a shock to the established rural economy of the time. The landowners and the Church were very upset, which gave rise to the beginning of the missionary movement, which was meant to send members to go to the new cities and restore the faith of the ex farm labourers so that they would return to the control of the Church and the squire. But they were far happier in the cities away from both.

That is how the missionaries ended up being sent overseas to convert the savages.

Then Germany went through its own Industrial revolution. Some versions of how WW1 started blame the competition re. exports between the UK and Germany, plus the rivalry between the three Royal cousins. George 5th, Kaiser William,and Nicholas the Shari of Russia. .

Be that as it may, by the end of WW2 France having suffered both a part occupation in WW1, and a full one in WW2, was determined to never have to go through this experience yet again.

So the EU came into beeng, but back then it was only a economic union, and as the Germans work far harder than the French they soon dominated it. But the thinking was that if all the economies were all tied together, then no one country could break out and start a war.

Initially the UK was content to continue with its own version of a
Commo market, the British Commonwealth, but business interests finally forced them to enter the EU. The price was far less trade with theCommonwealth.

This hurt the UK, food from Australia and New Zealand was cheap, as against French farmers , who were all subsisted hence food. was dearer.

This almost bankrupted New Zealand and to a lesser extent also hurt
Australia, but they both recovered. A drop in ones standard of living tends to make people get off their backsides and fix things up, a hard lesion which Greece is presently slowly learning.

But Empire building” from both politicians and burocrats slowly changed the EU into a sort of copy of the USA. It became very political and very bossy.

But abolishing the separate currencies and adopting the Eros as a single currency was while it initially seemed to be a good idea, long term its not.

Greece for example under its old currency if it found itself in debt, would simply devalue its currency, exports become cheaper, imports a lot dearer, so less are bought.

While its hard from here in Australia to work out who gains and who looses regarding the fees paid by each country, one gets the
impression that the UK has become the “”Milsh Cow”” and pays far too much, hence the EU wants to keep them in. The UK is also he financial capital of Europe, although Eire, Southern Ireland is hoping to take over, having in effect a foot in both camps.

UK Business interests have become comfortable at having a almost
guaranteed market in the EU, so are reluctant to change. Having to compete in the wide world does not appeal to them.

Sorry its a bit long, but its a complicated thing to explain.


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