Green Deal: Fear of yellow vests rebellion spreads across Europe

From the Global Warming Policy Foundation

Date: 31/07/21

Die Welt

The EU has agreed ambitious climate targets. But who is going to pay for it? Many governments now fear the anger of their citizens. They do not want additional cost burden to motorists, homeowners and businesses. Others should therefore pay. Governments all over Europe now face an uphill battle.

The Turow open-cast lignite mine is one of many production sites in Poland. But the citizens of the small town are angry. They demonstrate because they fear for their jobs. Because the lignite mining in the city faces closure. The neighbouring country of the Czech Republic is pushing for it because the mining causes groundwater levels to sink.

Not only residents and workers of the Turow opencast mine take to the streets against the closure, politicians are also warning. Labor Minister Jaroslaw Gowin, for example, predicted the loss of “tens of thousands of jobs” if the Czech Republic prevailed. In fact, it is about a lot of money, energy security and the income of Polish families.

The angry protests are a foretaste of what could happen in other parts of the country in coming years – and in many other parts of Europe. In December, all 27 EU member states decided to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions by 55 percent by 2030 compared to 1990 levels.

Two weeks ago Ursula von der Leyen outlined suggestions as to how this would work and who would have to pay for it. The plan, called “Fit for 55”, includes, among other things, to ban of the internal combustion engine and stricter rules for airlines.

From the point of view of many governments, the most difficult plan is the inclusion of gasoline and heating in the EU’s new emissions trading scheme. As a result, prices would rise steadily in the years to come. It is a step that Germany has pushed for, because it will place greater demands than before on the countries in southern and eastern Europe, which are lagging behind in terms of emission cuts.

The affected governments in Central and Eastern Europe fear energy poverty, social tensions and protests. The yellow vest demonstrations in France that took place a good two years ago serve as a warning example. The months-long and sometimes violent protests were directed against the French energy transition and higher fuel prices.

They eventually forced President Emmanuel Macron to reverse the gasoline price hike because middle and lower classes of the French province simply could no longer have afforded the trip to work with the eco tax.

Poland’s radical restructuring

Far worse is feared in Eastern Europe. Poland, for example, has to fundamentally reorganise its economy if it wants to achieve the EU’s emissions targets. It is the coal country of Europe – more than 70 percent of its energy comes from coal. It is mined primarily in the south of the country; large power plants supply industry and households in the country with inexpensive electricity.

Many people even heat with cheaper, often particularly dirty coal. Last but not least, tens of thousands of people work in the sector – “Poland stands by the coal” is an old saying here.

In the next few years, however, a number of power plants in the country are expected to shut down. By 2040, Poland wants to reduce the share of coal in its energy mix from more than 70 percent to eleven percent. It’s an ambitious goal. There is great concern for social peace.

The Polish government is now faced with a double challenge: it must transform the energy industry more quickly and more radically than other EU members. At the same time, the government has to take the public with.

The government is not only relying on renewable energy; it is also expanding the natural gas network, and plans to put the Polish-Norwegian pipeline “Baltic Pipe” into operation next year and advance nuclear energy too. At least two nuclear power plants with six reactors are to go online from 2033. The investment volume is 30 billion euros. This type of climate policy is unlikely to meet with the approval of neighbouring Germany.

In fact, EU member states have been arguing for years whether and to what extent gas and nuclear power should be part of the energy supported in the fight against climate change. For France, for example, cheaper nuclear energy is part of it – especially since Emmanuel Macron learned from the yellow vest protests that he shouldn’t expect the French to do too much about climate protection.

Fear of deepening divisions

His experience shows that climate protection can be an acid test even for wealthy EU countries. On July 20, after months of debate, the French parliament passed the new “Climate and Resilience Law”. It is intended to ensure that France is “heading” for a 40 percent reduction in C02 emissions by 2030, as Environment Minister Barbara Pompili cautiously put it.

This means that France is in some ways becoming a European pioneer. Domestic flights will soon be banned if it is possible to get to your destination by train in two and a half hours. The thermal insulation regulations for apartment renters will be tightened, and advertising for fossil fuels or SUVs will soon be banned.

However, the legislature has refrained from making any severe cuts and has been criticised by climate activists and experts alike. A required speed limit of 110 km per hour on motorways, for example, was immediately buried.

The EU Commission never tires of emphasising that the costs of restructuring the EU economy must be done fairly and that the poorest should not have to pay disproportionately high amounts for climate policies. The commission also wants to create a new 72 billion euro fund from which money should flow for those loving in energy poverty. A fund that has already been decided on and worth 17.5 billion euros is also intended to support particularly affected regions; for example Turow or coal fields in North Rhine-Westphalia.

Nevertheless, there is concern in Europe’s national capitals that the EU’s ambitious climate policy could cause social unrest. The Italian government, for example, fears rising electricity prices. The EU climate package calls for EU states to completely abolish subsidies for fossil fuels. This item currently accounts for 35.7 billion euros in the Italian budget – 12.5 billion of this goes to families and over 23 billion to companies. If they fall away, the mood could quickly turn against climate protection.

There was a foretaste of how much the government fears public protest in response to rising energy prices at the beginning of July: The economic recovery after the Corona crisis and the rise in prices for C02 emission certificates drove electricity prices in Italy very high. As a result, electricity bills would have risen by 20 percent had the government not pulled an emergency brake at the last moment to keep the increase to just under ten percent.

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Tom Halla
August 2, 2021 6:11 am

Subsidies? More like a partial kickback of a very high regressive tax on fuel and electricity, emphasizing “partial”.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Tom Halla
August 2, 2021 11:04 am

Exactly. Impose huge tax, then create a level of bureaucracy to collect the money then send it back to favored or feared constituents.
The exact description of the carbon tax here in canada, where everyone will make money from it.
Perpetual motion machine, but progressives lap it up.

So much stupid

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
August 3, 2021 6:16 pm

Don’t forget, the bureaucracy will also collect their percentage!

Reply to  Tom Halla
August 3, 2021 9:30 pm

Most of the “subsidies” talked about in green lore reports are depreciation expenses and the difference between what the greens think carbon taxes should be and what they are.

August 2, 2021 6:13 am

As Britain is going for a Britcoin,
and the EU for :
where Reuters writes :
This is a fundamental difference because the ECB cannot run out of euros, making its digital currency intrinsically safer than any private sector counterpart.

So with these 2 digital currencies in place, suddenly climate will be forgotten – all used up.
The central banks will have their Bancor, which Keynes failed to push through at the Bretton Woods in 1944, global currency, so they calculate.

Of course the FED and Blackrock are onboard, even China is testing such.

Central Bank fingertip control of global credit, as usual will lead to total collapse, but hey, another one bubble at a time, what?

Now who is digitally greener, BoJo or Ursula, Marc Carney?

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Reply to  bonbon
August 2, 2021 7:04 am

Politicians who actually believe the climate schtick are far more dangerous than the ones who are just trying to fleece taxpayers with it.

Reply to  bonbon
August 2, 2021 8:23 am

The e-euro is stupid and pointless.
If the ECB really wanted to be the bancor, they would pursue policies which encourage other nations to use it for trade. As it is, the euro share of international trade is pretty much exactly what the euro block’s share of international trade is.
Nor will the e-euro do anything to offset the attraction of cryptocurrencies. The euro has been pretty stead in its exchange rate vs. the dollar for quite some time now – meaning ongoing US (and EU) printing is still a thing.

August 2, 2021 6:14 am

Fear? Here we go again. Winston Churchill said, “Fear is a reaction. Courage is a decision.” So I decided to examine this fear and it’s untold suffering promises …

Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 2, 2021 12:17 pm

Very nicely done, good rhythm, I’ll give it a 96.

Reply to  yirgach
August 2, 2021 12:25 pm

Much appreciated. I hope Biden and Obama like it as much.

Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 2, 2021 12:32 pm

Brilliant, I will pass it on.
Should be required viewing in all schools

Reply to  saveenergy
August 2, 2021 12:46 pm

Thank you for the thumbs up. More importantly, it would be good if the schools played the National Anthem. But back to the kids — because there’s so much negative, scary propaganda out there; I made this one for the younger folks to help understand that our climate is not a problem, but instead should be celebrated. I even added music they like to hear on their “battle gaming” videos …

Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 2, 2021 4:15 pm

John I’ve looked at your other videos (you’ve have been a busy boy ! ) & the comments (you are getting flack so are over the target).

Well done, they need a large viewing, I will push them when & where possible.

Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 2, 2021 1:46 pm

“Well done John. I give it a 9 – it’s good a good beat and it’s easy to dance to.”
Seriously, it’s a solid piece of work, emphasizing the blatant climate hypocrisy of the elites.
I particularly appreciate the John Coleman quote re Global Warming Alarmism:
“It is the greatest scam in history.”
Now, the unjustified and fraudulent Covid-19 Full-Gulag Lockdown may supersede Global Warming as the greatest Fraud or all time. Note too that the elites have falsely linked the two great Frauds, saying ”to solve Covid-19 we also have to solve Climate Change” – utter nonsense, not even credible enough to be specious.
Here is the latest from – Hot and dry in the USA NorthWest, extreme cold in South America, Australia, Africa, etc. Crop failures worldwide – mostly due to cold extremes.

August 2, 2021 Cap Allon
Wavy jet streams are throwing farmers something of a curve ball in 2021, as global temperatures continue to fall in line with the ever-intensifying Grand Solar Minimum.

August 2, 2021 3:35 pm

Thanks Alan for the like. I am aware and sadly watch the dual scare tactics being used with respect to Climate Change and the China Flu. I subscribe to Electroverse (and others). For the unaware and uneducated it can be overwhelming. Maybe after I finish my immediate planned climate videos, I can work on this dual threat, but in the meantime I did touch on the subject ala Bill Gates …

Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 2, 2021 8:18 pm

Hi John,

My first paper below discusses these two huge scams. Global warming fears and the Covid-19 lockdown panic – wolves stampeding the sheep.

The full leftist agenda is exposed in the fourth paper – as disclosed to me by an informant in mid-2019.

Best, Allan

A Climate, Energy and Covid Primer for Politicians and Media
By Allan M.R. MacRae, Published March 21, 2021, Update 1e published May 8, 2021
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng., January 10, 2020
By Allan M.R. MacRae and Joseph D’Aleo, October 27, 2019
by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., October 1, 2019

August 3, 2021 3:08 am

Thank you for the reference links and you efforts.

Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 4, 2021 11:13 am

August 4, 2021 Cap Allon
Winter in the Southern Hemisphere is often a harbinger for the coming winter in the Northern Hemisphere; and if recent developments across ‘the upside down’ are anything to go by, then us northerners best literally ‘make hay while the sun shines’ as this SH winter has, thus far, been a doozy.

August 3, 2021 2:20 pm

The latest from my friend Cap Allon in Portugal.
August 3, 2021 Cap Allon
Don’t fall for MSM lies and government agency manipulations — Earth is cooling in line with a drop off in solar activity. Even the official datasets now show this.

Vincent Causey
Reply to  John Shewchuk
August 3, 2021 12:04 am

Maybe governments should seize the wealth of the billionaires to pay some of the costs for fighting climate change. After all, it is to save the world from untold suffering.

August 2, 2021 6:22 am

not going to happen, is it?

It is plain in Europe we have a climate problem… we have had heatwaves and flooding and forest fires right across the UK/EU/Europe and Turkey…

People know there’s a problem which needs action to resolve it.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 6:31 am

Griffo, hi again
The nature (for some the God) does not work according to (dodgy) computer models, it happened many times before and it will probably even more times in the future. Nothing we can do about it, just grin and bear it. No point of crying into your keyboard, stiff upper lip, old boy.

Curious George
Reply to  Vuk
August 2, 2021 7:39 am

I support griff. It is plain that climate IS weather. 🙂

John V. Wright
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 6:44 am

How are you going to resolve orbital mechanics?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  John V. Wright
August 2, 2021 8:09 am

Hey, they’ll build a spaceship & fly up to the Sun & paint it dark maybe even black, but to protect themselves from the extreme heat, they’re planning on going at night!!!! ;-))

Bryan A
Reply to  Alan the Brit
August 2, 2021 10:23 am

I see a Red Sun
and I want it Painted Black

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Bryan A
August 2, 2021 11:47 am

You are seeing what a Black Body looks like when elevated to a very high temperature.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 2, 2021 12:40 pm

I know what Black Bodies look like when elevated to a very high temperature … in a sauna just wonderful !!!

Reply to  Bryan A
August 2, 2021 1:09 pm

I’m still looking through my Woke handbook, but I’m pretty sure that’s racist.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 6:44 am

we have had heatwaves and flooding and forest fires right across the UK/EU/Europe and Turkey

None of which has anything to do with “climate change” as you mean it. There is no scientific basis for the claim that it does, it is pure propaganda.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
August 2, 2021 7:23 am

There have always been heatwaves, flooding and forest fires. And those that are happening today are milder than the ones that occurred in recent history.

Climate believer
Reply to  MarkW
August 2, 2021 7:43 am

90% of wildfires in France are started by arsonists.

Richard Page
Reply to  Climate believer
August 2, 2021 8:21 am

As are the ones in Turkey. As I pointed out a few days ago, despite the west-centric MSM deliberately obfuscating the issue, Turkey has had a problem for several years with a PKK seperatist group called “children of fire”. As their name implies, they have set and claimed responsibility for fires in Turkey going back over some years and the current ones are in places where the group have stated on their website that they will strike. It has been reported in other media about these arsonists, Turkey has even claimed to have one in custody. Hot dry air does not automatically equate to wildfires.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  MarkW
August 2, 2021 8:11 am

Wonder just how many were started deliberately to “prove” globul warming”??? Weren’t the Greek fires a few years back precisely that??? As an engineer I do not believe in spontaneous combustion!!!

M Courtney
Reply to  Alan the Brit
August 2, 2021 10:47 am

In fairness to Griff, fires need a source of ignition and a source of fuel. The claim is that AGW has caused long dry spells that provide the fuel – not that it has sparked the fires.

I think it’s weather, not climate, but still think we should address the position of our opponents and not something else.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  M Courtney
August 2, 2021 11:52 am

It doesn’t take more than a couple days for potential fuel to dry sufficiently to be a hazard. Extending the drying time doesn’t significantly lower the water content. The problem is arsonists and people choosing to live in fire-prone areas without properly fire-proofing their homes and grounds.

Reply to  Alan the Brit
August 2, 2021 12:00 pm

Soak a rag in Boiled Linseed oil, It will smolder & eventually Flame On. Wood Chips in a pile will do the same. Engineers are usually rational Educated people, but this one does not believe in the Laws of Nature. Interesting – Just make your own stuff up as you go.

On the outer Barcoo
Reply to  MarkW
August 2, 2021 9:35 am

The Mediterranean sea is underlain by salt layers, kilometres thick. So once upon a time it was very, very dry for a very, very long time.

Reply to  On the outer Barcoo
August 2, 2021 1:11 pm

Nothing to do with dryness. The Straits of Gibraltar close from time to time, and this dries up the Mediterranean.

Steve Case
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 6:57 am

How can so many people be so easily convinced that events which have always 
occurred and extensively documented, are wholly new and unprecedented?

Reply to  Steve Case
August 2, 2021 9:31 am

I am constantly amazed at how many (normally sensible) professionals from all walks of life are so militantly and arrogantly ignorant, even when you shove the data under their nose.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  posa
August 2, 2021 11:58 am

I’m not sure which side you are castigating. However, it probably doesn’t matter because both sides have their doctrinal blinders. The alarmists though, are the ones apparently least equipped to actually understand the data.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 2, 2021 7:50 pm

I’m referring to the “mainstream” Green Climate hysterics… but yeah, the Space Weather crowd is just as blinkered about the negligible impact of sunspots on climate (ie the Leif Svalgaard view) as the Green Hysterics are on CO2. Both sunspots and CO2 fixations reflect the Left-Right ideological divide. I’d prefer to set aside political ideology and concentrate on the facts while also acknowledging large holes in the data that impair full and decisive analysis. “We don’t know” is better than “Making it up”

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Steve Case
August 2, 2021 11:55 am

Because the trolls want to believe mankind is evil. It provides them with virtual windmills to tilt at.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 2, 2021 1:11 pm

By believing that everyone else is evil, it becomes easier to convince yourself that you are one of the righteous ones.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:02 am

But CO2 rreduction is the wrong path, as it olny costs money, a lot of, but doesn’t change nothing at all the climate.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:11 am

There have ALWAYS been heatwaves and flooding and forest fires across the UK/EU/Europe and Turkey. Also the US. No one has ever been able to prevent these from happening as the causes are natural. Get over it.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:12 am


We constantly try to remind you that climate began prior to 1970 but you refuse to believe it.

Take Germany. Have you ever been to central europe where they mark flood heights on cathedrals, town halls etc? Far higher than today.

Mind you it would help if people didn’t want to live on flood plains whereby they partially protect themselves and push the remainder of the flooding onto their formerly dry neighbours so everyone gets affected


Frank from NoVA
Reply to  tonyb
August 2, 2021 7:40 am

“Take Germany.” Please!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  tonyb
August 2, 2021 8:20 am

Many years ago as a young man, I visited a mate who was studying at York University in the early 1980s. He took me to a riverside pub for a fabulous pint of Sam Smiths bitter ale!!! The pub was interesting because they’d marked the flood marks on the walls when it was flooded back then!!! The pub floor was around 10ft above the river level at the time, & that was long before globul warming was invented, we were still going to blow ourselves to pieces due to the inevitable impending Nuclear War back then, after the inevitable & impending Chemical/Biological warfare took place, just before the new Ice-Age hit us all!!! NOT!!! Scare stories are simply that, scary stories, created to frighten children initially, because as Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Moa, Pol-Pot, knew, seize the minds of the children, then you can take control supported by the yoof who know nothing of life, but simply want to change the world, just as I wanted to do when a teenager!!!

Reply to  Alan the Brit
August 2, 2021 9:29 am

This had been a regular occurrence for as
long as I can remember.

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Reply to  JeffC
August 2, 2021 9:34 am

This has been a common sight.

Climate believer
Reply to  tonyb
August 2, 2021 2:14 pm

The river Seine, the famous river that runs through Paris, notorious for it’s high water marks. Here are the numbers that prove your point Tony.

The highest high water marks on the bridge Paris-Austerlitz :

  • 27 février 1658 : 8,96 m (highest ever)
  • 28 janvier 1910 : 8,62 m
  • 26 décembre 1740 : 8,05 m
  • 09 février 1799 : 7,65 m
  • 28 janvier 1802 : 7,62 m

Recent high water marks on the bridge Paris-Austerlitz :

  • 06 janvier 1924 : 7,32 m
  • 23 janvier 1955 : 7,12 m
  • 14 janvier 1982 : 6,16 m
  • 24 mars 2001 : 5,21 m

Photograph of the floods of 1910:

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:22 am

griff is starting to sound more and more like a poorly written bot.
No matter what the subject, he drags up the same disproven lies.
How boring.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MarkW
August 2, 2021 9:29 am

And refuses to even try to support them with any facts.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
August 2, 2021 11:11 am

The Griff persona is a Trolling Device™.

Reply to  Dave Fair
August 2, 2021 12:47 pm

I think griff is a product of Artificial Intelligence –
but the omitted the Intelligence chip.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:47 am

“People know there’s a problem which needs action to resolve it.”

Thank you Griffy-poo for providing me with a incentive to post the following quote….

“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.” — Charles Bukowski

Grifffy-poo, I have very serious doubts that human CO2 emission play any detectable role in the climate that we need to worry about. It is sad and unfortunate that you appear confident that they are.

One more time Griffy-poo: You must put the Europe’s and the worlds current meteorological events in historical perspective before you draw any conclusions about them.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:56 am

Well lots of folks perceive there’s a problem with those on the Gummint teat banging away at them with the doomsday scenario with every weather event. But then they’ve been told not to worry it just needs lots of renewables with cheaper energy so it won’t cost them anything and they’ll all have Green jobs. So why are the doomster taxeaters worried about Yellow Vest revolts now griff? What’s the problem with the action needed to resolve it?

John Bell
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 7:58 am

Griff stop using fossil fuels every day, be true to thyself, walk not drive, no heat or phone, no electricity, come on and get with “The Cause”.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John Bell
August 2, 2021 12:02 pm

And, no computer. Please!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 8:07 am

C’mon Griffy baby, when are you going to tell me when the Earth’s climate ever stayed the same & for how long??? I’m still waiting!!! It’s always changing, always has done, until fruit-loops like you start pumping ghastly chemicals into the atmosphere to block out the sunlight, & then BOY, will you see climate change or what………..BIG TIME!!!! We’re over due for another Ice Age, & when it hits, the wealthy ruling intellectual (I’m being polite) elites, will kill billions of Human Beings, because they love mass slaughter & murder, trust me, they WILL kill until they reset the Status Quo, peasants tugging their forelocks to the superior wealthy ruling elites, or Champagne Socialists as they are better known, just as they were back in the late 1940s & throughout the 1950s, angling to protect their wealth by pretending to be Socialists/Greenalists!!! The bottom line is……….we peasants must know our station & rediscover our place in life, under their heel………………& NO, I’m no Socialist Griffy baby, just someone who cares about my fellow man (& woman, don’t want the Feminists on my back)!!! You & people like you want Africans & Indians & the rest of the developing World to stay in their mud huts, the very epitome of Racism!!! You make me sick with your racist views, & ignorant scientific remarks!!! I apologise for the rant but I’m starting to lose my patience with the likes of Griffy baby!!!

Randy Stubbings
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 8:11 am

griff, perhaps you could enlighten us on the relative intensity, duration, and frequency (IDF) of droughts, floods, hurricanes, etc., that we can expect if we continue with the status quo versus implementing the so-called green energy transition? Should we expect to have one in a hundred year events only once in two hundred years instead, or will we eliminate bad weather completely? Please provide hard numbers, preferably in the form of IDF curves. Please explain, through detailed cost-benefit analyses, why the so-called “green energy transition” in the name of saving the climate in 2100 is more logical than amputating your arms to make sure you don’t accidentally hit a finger with a hammer some time in the next 80 years.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Randy Stubbings
August 2, 2021 11:18 am

Economist and Nobel Laureate William Nordhaus calculated that the optimum temperature increase by 2100 would be 3.5 C. Since we are on track to under-shoot 3.5 C, we should be cutting down forests, cranking up coal-fired power plants & etc.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 8:34 am

Griffy – just to clarify one point that your poor, deluded mind fails to grasp in its complete dissociation from reality. People do not “know there’s a problem which needs action to resolve it” – people are being told repeatedly and at nauseating length that there is a problem by a fringe minority cult and those they have convinced already. People are beginning to realise that those doomsday scenarios are failing to materialise, that the benefits are failing to appear and the weather isn’t as warm as it was a year or two ago. It won’t take long before that spreads, becomes frustration, then anger as those people realise they have been systematically lied to for decades. “…not going to happen is it?” – it’s already happening you poor deluded fool; I do hope you have somewhere safe to hide for a while – have you tried a days survival course? You might need it.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 10:26 am

I can guarantee 100%, griff, that it’s NOT going to happen.

First, people in Europe, including the UK, accept it needs to be addressed BUT there’s no way they’re going to accept the measures and costs that governments need and want to impose to meet net-zero targets in the ridiculous timeframes they’ve set.

The UK Government is now realising the true costs and disruption involved and beginning to see that it would be political suicide to push ahead as they claimed they would. The only saving grace for the UK Government is that the opposition parties are even more in favour of the net-zero agenda.

Second, certainly in the UK and many other countries across Europe there simply isn’t the energy infrastructure in place to meet these crazy timetables. The UK grid is already creaking at the seams as fossil fuel power stations have been taken offline while Germany’s plans to get rid of coal have stalled.

Third, Joe Public isn’t stupid and will question why they’re having to pay massively increased costs for lower living standards while the likes of China and India continue to build coal-fired power stations at an incredible rate.

Anyone who believes that net-zero targets will be met is away with the fairies.

Reply to  MarkW2
August 2, 2021 12:56 pm

“Joe Public isn’t stupid and will question why they’re having to pay massively increased costs for lower living standards”

I beg to differ …
propaganda works !

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” ― George Carlin

The Dark Lord
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 10:49 am

for the last 300 years they have had the same “climate” problems …

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  The Dark Lord
August 2, 2021 12:06 pm

Why is it that almost all cultures have a legend of a “Great Flood?” Probably, because floods have always been a part of climate.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 11:08 am

I found this regarding Griff

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 11:34 am

Griff, your committing the usual fallacy. Do something, because climate. Now specify how much effect doing this thing will have on the climate.

The answer is pretty much no effect. Because whatever the EU does to lower its emissions will be wiped out by the rises in what used to be called the Developing World.

All you have to do to see this is look at who is doing the emitting. Its mainly not the West. About 25% of emissions, and falling, is being done by the West, who are desperately advocating local reductions, because climate.

Without ever explaining to their citizens what this will do, by how much it will lower temperatures. Because it won’t.

If there is a crisis coming, its coming regardless of what happens to EU emissions, so the smart thing for the EU to do is stop trying to reduce, and instead spend the money getting ready for the crisis.

If you really believe its coming.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 11:46 am

People know there’s a problem which needs action to resolve it.

It sounds like you are engaging in wishful thinking in the hopes that people dumber than you will actually believe the prevarications you promote.

Natural catastrophes such as heatwaves and flooding have always been with us. Even acorns have always fallen, Chicken Little!

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 11:56 am

You can control the weather? Silly Imbicile, The Earth is a living Organism & it will do what it wants & you cannot stop it

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 12:08 pm

There have never been heatwaves and flooding and forest fires before? ever? History does NOT begin last year, you know.

What is the RIGHT number of heatwaves, floods, and forest fires, griff?

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 12:29 pm

“Climate problem”? There is no climate problem — just an education problem. But … I did find just a few examples of human-caused climate change …

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 2:10 pm

Warm is good, cold is the killer.
When an area that gets flooded repeatedly & rain is in the forecast & those oh-so-smart bureaucrats fail to lower reservoirs … bad things happen.
When those even smarter forest bureaucrats fail to remove the tinder build-up in their forests … bad things happen.

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 2:41 pm

And again the lie spewing liar spews the same tired lies. Almost as if all you have are lies to spew endlessly without end.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 3:59 pm

Are you really that gullible Griff?
The MSM in the UK was telling us all about the “extreme heat warnings” and shouting about a heatwave for July.
However, in reality, the avg temp for July was perfectly normal.
Flooding in the UK? Rainfall for England and Wales was boringly normal, with only a slight increase in Scotland

Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 9:08 pm

In the past when they had bad weather, and there has been some pretty G. D. bad weather over recorded history, they found human sacrifice to be effective. Is the war on energy the woke form of human sacrifice?

Reply to  griff
August 3, 2021 12:17 pm

You seem to forget that the heatwaves have been worse in the past, the floodings were largely due to human error (non-functional warning systems, building on floodplanes and reservoirs that people forgot to drain). Current forest fires in Turkey are running out of hand because the president is to proud to admit he needs foreign help.

Any more ill-informed drivel you like to share or are you back in mom’s basement?

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  griff
August 4, 2021 2:37 pm

Griffy-poo, as I write this you are up to 114 negative votes! Wondering if that is a record for you here at WUWT. If it is, congratulations.

Interesting the way you keep coming to this blog with your unsupportable comments–do you really expect to accomplish anything? You DO realize that you keep manifesting Einstein’s definition of insanity, don’t you?

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 4, 2021 3:51 pm

CD, I’ve become convinced that griff is actually a fake who posts with the intention of making true believers look bad.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  TonyG
August 4, 2021 4:30 pm

If that is true Tony, then he is succeeding admirably.

Shoki Kaneda
August 2, 2021 6:25 am

Popular revolts against tyranny have historically ended badly for those perceived responsible. Their fears may be well founded.

Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
August 2, 2021 9:01 am

Indeed. What is the energy equivalent for, “let them eat cake”?

(Yes, I realize the quote is usually mis-attributed.)

Reply to  commieBob
August 2, 2021 10:46 am

Re-train them as coders.

Reply to  DonM
August 2, 2021 11:19 am

Indeed. What is the energy equivalent for, “let them eat cake”?

Re-train them as coders.

“Let them write code”

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  commieBob
August 2, 2021 12:08 pm

Let them buy an EV.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  commieBob
August 3, 2021 5:28 am

Let them burn!

August 2, 2021 6:26 am

There was a report that “In France the price of gas is to increase by almost 10% on the 1st of this month.”

Climate believer
Reply to  Vuk
August 2, 2021 8:26 am

Just to put that in some perspective Vuk, gas price fell through the floor during 2020 and is just recovering. There is however a global push for higher prices.

Gas in France is 2% more expensive than it was in 2015, and 1.1% more than it was at the beginning of 2019.

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AGW is Not Science
August 2, 2021 6:47 am

As one of the Founding Fathers (of the U.S.) so eloquently put it – “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

So if the governments have “fear,” that is a good thing. Of course, it doesn’t seem to stop the EU loons from enacting completely insane policies, but that’s what happens when you allow yourself to be governed by unelected bureaucrats.

Dave Fair
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
August 2, 2021 11:22 am

The Deep State.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
August 2, 2021 12:10 pm

but that’s what happens when you allow yourself to be governed by unelected bureaucrats.

August 2, 2021 6:59 am

Those Polish coal miners just don’t get it, being probably very conservatively and pragmatically minded folks, plus not having college degrees in modern monetary theory….They don’t realize that after the coal mines close, they will have high paying government subsidized “green jobs” collecting forest deadfall for nightime home heating, after a couple of weeks installing solar panels on their roofs, after a couple of weeks training as “solar installers”. Its a win-win for ecos, workers and politicians.
Is /s requ’d ?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  DMacKenzie
August 2, 2021 8:23 am

government subsidized “green jobs” , read “Taxpayer funded green jobs”!!! We pay in the end, the guvments have NO MONEY, it’s OUR money!!!

Reply to  Alan the Brit
August 2, 2021 9:01 am

At this point the governments are just printing it–free money off the money tree (printing press) in the back yard.

Smart Rock
August 2, 2021 7:01 am

From the headline: “They do not want additional cost burden to motorists, homeowners and businesses. Others should therefore pay
I wonder who these “others” might be, who are not motorists, homeowners or businesses?

  1. People who live in rented accommodation and don’t own cars.
  2. The homeless
  3. Churches (institutions, not the buildings)
  4. Museums
  5. Asylum seekers who’ve just landed

Hmmm. Not very promising sources of gigabucks.

Aha! I’ve got it. Governments!

Hang on a minute….

Richard Page
Reply to  Smart Rock
August 2, 2021 8:23 am

You no doubt recall the recent WUWT post on the EU carbon taxes (tariffs) to be levied on all imported goods?

Dave Fair
Reply to  Richard Page
August 2, 2021 11:26 am

In their Socialist dreams. China, India, Brazil, & etc. will slam any attempt at that down the throats of the EU rulers. The EU does not have the heft its rulers think.

Richard Page
Reply to  Dave Fair
August 2, 2021 1:50 pm

Pretty much everyone in the world knows that EXCEPT for the EU. It will end badly (again).

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Richard Page
August 2, 2021 4:04 pm

Which tax will of course raise the price for nearly everything, to be paid by everyone. Which the wealthy government bureaucrats can afford, but the average person cannot. That will end well…..

Climate believer
Reply to  Smart Rock
August 2, 2021 8:33 am

The ECB have a cunning plan based on a tip they got from the Weimar Republic….

What could possibly go wrong?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Smart Rock
August 2, 2021 12:15 pm

People who live in government subsidized housing and don’t own cars.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Smart Rock
August 2, 2021 12:39 pm

As Maggie Thatcher used to says, “socialism is a lot if fun until you run out of other people’s money.”

Reply to  Smart Rock
August 2, 2021 3:21 pm

In EU politics “Others” means the other EU countries. There are plans to have new “compensation fund” to make green transition more “socially justified” – that is – 100s billions will be paid those who are “hit hardest” (read: most likely to revolt). It is quite clear who will pay the bill (Nordic countries, Netherlands and Germany) – PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) and France will fight against eastern EU countries who will get the largest part of our monies.

Many EU countries are also very interested in carbon sinks as they would lower the CO2 reduction goals – as long as “Others” are providing those sinks. In this case, it seems like “Others” are Finland and Sweden as the new EU rules for land use and forestry would make forest industry impossible in practice.

Gordon A. Dressler
August 2, 2021 7:21 am

Charles Rotter (or Mod),

From above article’s third-to-last paragraph: “. . . from which money should flow for those loving in energy poverty.”

Does that mean having to do-what-I think-it-is in the dark? Or perhaps, just in a cold bedroom?

Richard Page
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
August 2, 2021 8:24 am

It’d be one way to generate some heat!

John K. Sutherland.
August 2, 2021 7:28 am

And they are not smart enough to figure out that Nuclear, is the answer?

Michael 63
Reply to  John K. Sutherland.
August 2, 2021 8:04 am

It seems there are issues with nuclear power.
First the official issues: Waste disposal (just bury it in an old mine). Safety (build to the same standards and regulations as the French, they have never had any accidents have they?)
Second the unofficial and showstopping issue: There will be NO emissions, but the climate will just continue with moderate warming and CO2 will either rise or not change (AGW will be exposed as an undeniable hoax!).
So it will never happen, the politicians and experts will NOT lose face.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Michael 63
August 2, 2021 12:35 pm

Most old mines are flooded, which risks contaminating the ground water.

There is an anecdotal story of an accident in Russia. I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the event. However, as I heard it, the Russians had been disposing of spent fuel in an old mine. It erupted like a Yellowstone geyser, spewing radioactive waste over the countryside.

Speculating: The uranium may have gone into solution and then precipitated out in the water-logged mine-support timbers. After time, a critical mass was achieved, and aided by the water acting as a neutron moderator, a sustained chain reaction caused the water to reach a super-critical temperature at depth. As some of the water boiled off at the surface, reducing the pressure, the underlying hotter water flashed into steam, driving out a plug of radioactive water, just like Old Faithful.

In any event, water and spent fuel are probably not a good combination.

Incidentally, the French reprocessed their spent fuel, removing the long-lived uranium and plutonium, and only have to deal with the fission by-products. That is a lot easier problem to deal with than the nuclear ‘peanuts’ that Carter insisted should remain in the spent fuel.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 2, 2021 3:52 pm

In any event, water and spent fuel are probably not a good combination.

It depends how much water. I’ve always suggested diluting it and dumping it into the oceans. The whole world is radioactive, so returning a tiny amount to the oceans isn’t going to affect anything.

People have been extremely misinformed about radiation by greens since day 1.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
August 3, 2021 8:33 am

ZZW stated “. . . so returning a tiny amount to the oceans isn’t going to affect anything.”

Of course, let’s not consider that certain pelagic fish that are sources of human food, such as tuna, have a known propensity for concentrating radioactive substances in their bodies . . . what could possibly go wrong there?

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Coach Springer
August 2, 2021 7:32 am

“Criticized by climate activists and experts alike”

A thousand bravos.

August 2, 2021 7:34 am

Is Hydrogen Just Oil And Gas Greenwashed?

… Currently, around 95% of hydrogen production is what is called “grey”, including that being used at the Tokyo Olympics. It is made by reacting natural gas with high-temperature steam. This is the cheapest way to manufacture hydrogen but produces loads of CO2. In fact, it has been calculated that producing 1kg of hydrogen by this method will generate 9.3kg of CO2, which is actually more than the 9.1kg of CO2 produced by burning a gallon of gasoline, usually considered to have a similar energy value.

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Reply to  john
August 2, 2021 1:01 pm

“producing 1kg of hydrogen by this method will generate 9.3kg of CO2”

That’s what we should do … it’s good for plants

Mike Lowe
Reply to  john
August 2, 2021 1:03 pm

But it has the advantage of producing plenty of CO2, of which we need far MORE in the atmosphere. We should all be supporting the production of Hydrogen by that process!

Mark Kaiser
August 2, 2021 8:34 am

I have to say I am heartened by the current CoVid restriction protests in France and Germany. It’s a message to the governments to tread carefully when individual rights are threatened. Let’s hope it’s a strong enough message.

Bruce Cobb
August 2, 2021 8:58 am

The question of “who pays” is interesting. And wrong. Everyone pays, both in higher prices for energy directly, and indirectly through higher prices for everything. The economy suffers, and people are put out of work. When you start asking “who pays” you get into class warfare, and socialist tendencies. I have to wonder if the yellow vests are really on our side.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
August 2, 2021 10:44 am

Climate crisis has cost Colorado billions – now it wants oil firms to pick up the bill

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  john
August 2, 2021 3:55 pm

Their real problem will be proving that CAGW even exists, let alone that it has had any detrimental effect on Colorado.

Carlo, Monte
August 2, 2021 9:27 am

Just look what is happening all across Europe over these stupid virus passports.

Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 2, 2021 12:44 pm

number of demonstrators against the “pass” in France doubled in ONE WEEK,
100K>200K,that’s a bigger “R” number than the virus itself!

Brooks H Hurd
August 2, 2021 9:28 am

Rather than creating huge tax payer supported funds to subsidize the unachievable dream of a future powered by wind and solar, governments should focus on keeping the actual cost of energy low.

German politicians complaining about Poland building gas and nuclear power plants to provide power to Germany after the utter failure of die Energiewende is beyond ludicrous.

August 2, 2021 9:49 am

Griff never answers even the simplest questions.

Replying to him, even with facts, is pointless. We should ignore his comments.

Dave Fair
Reply to  BobM
August 2, 2021 11:30 am

The Griff persona is a Trolling Device™ (TD).

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  BobM
August 2, 2021 12:41 pm

Even if griff is a living, breathing (non-thinking) human, he is too far gone to save. However, there are visitors here who may know little about the debate and might be swayed by griff’s irrational fervor. It is important to point out griff’s lies and cherry picking to prevent the uninitiated from assuming that there is no counter to griff’s claims. It is important to save the children!

August 2, 2021 9:51 am

This time around, the French working class is furious over President Emmanuel Macron’s tyrannical Covid vaccine push.
Macron is basically telling people, you either take the jab or you lose any shot at a normal life.
Threats like that didn’t sit well with the hard-working people of France, and they came out to protest — hundreds of thousands of people.
However, what’s happening in France goes even deeper than vaccines — many of the people who are protesting are also experiencing mounting poverty, and a country that’s been overrun with refugees — this is true especially in cities like Marseilles, whose citizens have a natural inherent distrust of authority and government — they’re like the “Rebel South” in the US.

The Dark Lord
August 2, 2021 10:56 am

we will always have floods, droughts and fires … it occurs when going from either climate extreme to the other (hot to cold, cold to hot) and even when at the extremes … there is no such thing as long term “good” weather driven by either climate extreme … especially regional weather (which is what the EU weather is, regional) …

this is the evil in men’s hearts to control other people … it never goes away, just needs to be controled …

Andy Pattullo
August 2, 2021 10:58 am

The obvious solution is to confiscate wealth from anyone who thought this was a great idea. Start with the leaders who stand on the podium and tell the rest of us how to commit economic suicide. Once their pockets are empty we can pick the pockets of the unthinking believers and the public enterprises that stand on the side and let it all happen (universities, “scientific” societies, commercial and public media, social media giants and any large religious organization that thought this was a great way to enrich themselves even further). If someone spoke up for any form of green new deal, let them put their money where their cake hole is.

John the Econ
August 2, 2021 11:34 am

That’s the funny thing with modern Progressivism. The enthusiasts always think that it’s someone else who will be getting the bill and making the sacrifices.

Joel O’Bryan
August 2, 2021 1:36 pm

“Climate protection” is same as belief in magic.

August 2, 2021 2:40 pm

The repression of the “gilts jaunes” was an unprecedented violence of peaceful protests in the “patrie des droits de l’homme”(lol)

(There were cases of violence, but repression mostly had nothing to do with violence. Other protests before have led to abject hateful violence against the police without any similar repression.)

Reply to  niceguy
August 2, 2021 4:02 pm

“gilets jaunes”
It makes me so sick I can’t spell!

August 2, 2021 2:43 pm

Many governments now fear the anger of their citizens.”
Oh! Oh! Oh!!! I didn’t even have to read the rest of it!!!!

Oh My Dog! Are the Chickens coming home to roost? Is the sky going to fall?

Now if we could just get that kind of thing going over here…..

I am sending a link to that to several people, who will fall off their chairs laughing.

Robert of Texas
August 2, 2021 3:39 pm

I wonder why it doesn’t ever seem to occur to leaders that they should let one area go down the green path of disruption and see what happens before jumping on board…this is like eating a random fungus in a jungle and hoping it isn’t poisonous. What could possibly go wrong?

In the U.S. case, let’s all wait to see what happens to California. I volunteer all Texas wind turbines be shipped there to speed up California’s evolution to green power. Meanwhile, Texas can get back to the profitable business of drilling for gas and oil, remove all the electric heaters they converted to on gas lines and replace them with the reliable gas ones, and build new gas and nuclear power facilities.

August 2, 2021 4:17 pm

Others‘ are going to be very hard pressed to pay the bill for all the insane measures involved in the ‘Green’ New Deal. There are going to be a lot of very angry ‘Others‘ on the streets of France, Poland and other nations, like Italy, promoting supposed solutions to the .’Climate Change’ Alarmism.

Robert Alfred Taylor
August 2, 2021 4:51 pm

for those loving in energy poverty” Ah Ha! The preferred way to keep warm.

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
August 2, 2021 6:49 pm

“Many people even heat with cheaper, often particularly dirty coal.”

I wonder what they mean by “dirty”. Burning coal badly in a poorly designed heating stove will make a lot of smoke. That is one definition.

Coal ” middlings” considered too heavy in metals is not put on the market, banned for use by the public, often finds its way into private hands through bribery. That is a second version of “dirty”.

A third meaning is that coal with high volatiles as a fraction of total ash-free mass is considered inappropriate for power stations (when more than 20%). This meaning is arbitrary and has nothing to do with what is in it nor how well it is burned. Saying lignite is ” dirty” because it has a high volatile fraction is silly. Lignite is an excellent domestic fuel because it lights easily and rapidly, has a high hydrogen content and can be burned extremely cleanly on a small scale.

I suspect “particularly dirty coal” is populist Green BS, and only means they are using lignite – and nothing more. If they burn it in a metal box with a chimney instead of a modern appliance like the Szafire (a Polish model of advanced design – $1100) then air pollution is inevitable.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
August 2, 2021 10:11 pm

“Crispin Pemberton-Pigott

 August 2, 2021 6:49 pm

“Many people even heat with cheaper, often particularly dirty coal.”

I wonder what they mean by “dirty”. Burning coal badly in a poorly designed heating stove will make a lot of smoke. That is one definition.”

Not only coal. Anything. I can relate to my own personal experience many years ago back in the 70’s. My father, his intention was good, but he didn’t know what he was doing. He and I used to “walk” a local industrial site for wood pallets. We’d collect anything else that would burn. Not understanding at the time most of the wood items were treated and thus produced toxic smoke and ash.

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Patrick MJD
August 2, 2021 8:58 pm

Not only climate lunacy, COVID-19 lockdown lunacy. The UK, Ireland, Switzerland, France, Germany, Denmark to name a few countries where their populations are taking to the streets in great numbers in protest at lockdowns and restrictions. It’s happened here in Australia but media and Police are downplaying them calling them illegal.

The state and federal Govn’ts should be careful what they wish for.

August 4, 2021 1:48 am

The months-long and sometimes violent protests were directed against the French energy transition and higher fuel prices”

Source of that fact you just made up?

August 4, 2021 7:09 am

That’s why it will be crafted as yet another tariff on imports which is what the EU design is all about anyway.

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