Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach [SEE UPDATE AT THE END]
For some reason, I couldn’t find my post entitled “Gavin’s Falsifiable Science“. I wanted to track it down, in part because I think it’s one of my better posts. But when I looked on Google, it wasn’t there. Instead, I found an oddity. Here’s the top of the list of results from Google:
The list goes on below what’s shown above. I was glad to see that there are about twenty complete copies of my post floating around on various websites. And another fifteen or so links to my post.
But nowhere in that Google list was there a link to my actual post here on Watts Up With That. I looked through every Google result. No link to the Watts Up With That original version of my post.
Puzzled, I looked on Bing … where the post here on WUWT was first on the list, as you’d expect.
Below that, as with Google, are links to a bunch of other copies of my post on various skeptical websites.
Moving on, here’s DuckDuckGo … again, WUWT is first on the list, with the copies on other websites listed below it.
Hmmm … I moved on to more obscure search engines …
Same thing in all of them except Google. Google shows everything all the other sites show, all the copies, but it doesn’t show the original.
Computer “glitch”? Deliberate censorship? Unintended consequence of artificial intelligence? Cosmic ray damage? Sergei Brin found out about me and his wife? Accidental invocation of artificial stupidity? God decided to squash me like a bug for my insufferable arrogance in challenging the climate status quo? Some pinche tiranito chiquito has it in for this website?
No idea, but I certainly have seen enough ugly censorship and strangely unidirectional “accidents” and “computer glitches” to have a healthy and well-justified suspicion of the motives and actions of the social media robber barons …
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[UPDATE] Friday November 20 11:30AM Just tried it again, and magically Google has found it … top of the list now.
I suspect that the change might have been all of the searches from folks who read about it … without that it might have sunk into Google oblivion.
Congratulations! You have been Googlefied. This is a high honor for any skeptic. It means they consider you a threat.
I stopped using Google years ago because of their attitudes and censorship – I would recommend everyone else dump them as well.
Same here.
Same here. I do not use any Google products or services and don’t intend to in the future. Their “free” software and online services are what one would expect for “free”.
Google has been at this, at the uppermost level, for a long time. In the piece of mine from 2009 linked below, then-CEO Eric Schmidt stays in the shadows as best he can while I interact with one of his flacks, but you can see his silhouette if you know what you’re looking for. A very dark silhouette, indeed.
https://talkingabouttheweather.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/google-gate/
OT:
Just at a trump thing in between:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHqC-yWZ1kri4YzwRSt6RGQ
I’ve been using DDG for a long time. I also use Brave for my server. Nothing is perfect but they are both better than anything Google.
There’s nothing quite like installing Google’s Chrome browser spyware on your computer for sure.
It is CO2 wot dunnit!
I have been using DuckDuckGo for about a year now; works just fine for my searches.
Just for kicks, Google “google censorship”. The top hit for this search on DDG is from Breitbart. I’m not seeing that near the top of the Google hits. It would be most informative to see which sites are used in each search. My offhand guess is that Google rates each site for Google-truthiness and shuffles the “deplorables” to the bottom of the pile. If it doesn’t just ignore them totally.
Facebook – I don’t use it and never will
Twitter – I don’t use it and never will
I avoid it about 95 percent of the time (it is better than Duck Duck Go
My three blogs are on blogspot.com, owned by Google and provided to me for free, so I do business with them, I guess you could say.
I make a strong effort to shop locally, but some things are not available. I ordered something on Amazon many years ago and when I tried to order something else this year, I could not place an order, and I have no idea why.
My point, and I have one, is we can live without Google, Facebook, Twitter and Amazon if we want to.
Take heart Willis, it is not you that Google deems bad. It’s this site it doesn’t like. If this site would back off of the politics, and garbage posts about HCQ, it might get a better ranking.
Maybe you didn’t realize it, but you just admitted its all political for Google in their suppression.
No, promoting HCQ is not political it is dangerous. This however https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/11/18/california-governor-apologises-for-breaching-his-own-covid-19-lockdown-rules/ has nothing to do with “climate science.” It’s not about politics, its about veracity.
HCQ is widely and safely prescribed and has been for decades by doctors treating Lupus patients. Your claim of “dangerous” is demonstrably false, i.e. a lie. I’m not decided on HCQ as COVID prophylactic, but it clearly isn’t “dangerous” as you claim unless the Rx dosage goes too high and the Dr is not monitoring new patients on it.
Gov Nuisance is drunk with power, or DWP as Senator Rand Paul likes to refer to him along with some of the other Dem governors’ draconian orders on COVID Lockdowns that don’t work.
This DWP goes directly to their edicts on the Climate Scam and things like Nuisance’s recent order on ICE cars after 2035.
To wit:
“Executive order directs state to require that, by 2035, all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles ”
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/09/23/governor-newsom-announces-california-will-phase-out-gasoline-powered-cars-drastically-reduce-demand-for-fossil-fuel-in-californias-fight-against-climate-change/
Bethan456, You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.
correction, not Lupus, but MS.
1) Promoting a drug that is ineffective against the SARS-COVID virus is dangerous.
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2) The link I provided you regarding Newsome is a smear.
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3) Your link about Newsome is a classic case of “whataboutism.”
Joel, here’s a quiz for you on DWP:
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Who said: “Then I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president.”
The evidence that HCQ is ineffective against COVID-19 is like evidence for climate science. It exists in the eye of the beholder. For every study that says it’s worthless, there is another that says it’s effective. Most of the studies that I have looked into that say it is ineffective, have suffered from serious methodological issues.
MARKW, please get real. Doctors don’t like their patients to die. If HCQ worked, it would be used. As of right now over 2000 people in the USA are dying from this virus per day. A clear example of some thing that WORKS is turning patients to the prone position to enhance their breathing. This example was discovered by doctors treating patients and rapidly spread among doctors via their professional contacts. It needed no “study” or article in some journal to become a standard treatment. The same can be said for HCQ. Doctors tried it and it failed. If it worked, doctors would be using it. It failed in double blind studies. It doesn’t work.
bethan,
You claimed HCQ was dangerous. It simply is not, your claim is a lie. And even a healthy person taking HCQ still would not be dangerous given that it was used for decades as a safe effective anti-Malarial drug and prophylaxis in tropical regions of the world.
You clearly do NOT know what a smear is. A smear is when something that is not true or unsubstantiated is claimed about someone. The Steele Dossier was smear on Trump because there has never been any evidence of any those wild claims, and many where proven lies.
On the other hand, everything about the Gov Nuisance-French Laundry Story has turned out to be true. The truth is noit a smear. It is what it is. And Gavin tried at first to lie about being outside then confessed that too was a lie when pictures showed them inside. Really he was just confessing his disappointment in getting caught.
Pretty credible guy Mike Wallace today called Gov Nuisance the poster boy for hypocrisy. He said tongue-in-cheek on the air, “If you look up hypocrisy in the dictionary, you’ll find a picture of Gov Newsom.” The fact that the Rules, whether climate or COVID, don’t apply to Nuisance and his elitist friends. When the time comes for the gas car ban, they’ll offer very expensive “exemptions” that wealthy Californians who have connections and will be able to buy and keep their gas powered cars and trucks.
bethan,
The DWP reference is not a whataboutism. It is directly relavent to Nuisances attitude of Screw the Little People. So the link to Governor’s edict with Legislative approval that will ban fossil fuel cars in less than 15 years is certainly relative. An order like that will drastically affect almost every Californian and every business. Yet Gov Nuisance e didn’t go through the Sacramento Cal Assembly to get the authority to do it. He just ordered it by EO. Classic case of a Little Napoleon, Drunk With Power, who knows the State Assembly won’t give him want he wants so he orders it anyway. The COVID lockdowns are the same. He orders people around and then ignores them for himself.
Bethan, You seem to think you are smarter than you are. You obviously are not.
Guess you don’t comprehend what a “whataboutism” is.
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Joel, you haven’t answered my query about who make the DWP statement about Article 2.
“over 2000 people in the USA are dying from this virus per day.”
Actually, no. Not arguing with the 2,000 people per day, but more than 2,000 people die in America every day of the year. Just labelling them as being Covid positive doesn’t mean that they actually died of Covid. More people are dying from suicide (or for that matter, car accidents) than genuinely from Covid.
Bethan456 dribbled:
“A clear example of some thing that WORKS is turning patients to the prone position to enhance their breathing.”
Oh, sure… because putting the entire upper-body weight on the rib cage is a well-known way of enhancing the ability to breathe. Isn’t that what killed George Floyd? He took so many opiates (he had ~5 times the amount considered potentially lethal) that his breathing was impaired, he stated several times while on his feet that he couldn’t breathe, he was placed in a prone position, and he strangled to death because his diaphragm muscles were drug-impaired.
He had Cov19, too… and it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what his COD was marked as. LOL
Prone position for patients with ARDS is only indicated when mechanical ventilation fails to reverse severe hypoxemia, and only if it’s done properly such that the weight of the upper-body isn’t resting on the rib cage. You can’t just roll a hypoxemic patient onto their stomach and expect them to start breathing better, especially if they’re obese.
Your dim-witted blather would strangle CoV19 sufferers just as Floyd strangled. Stop spreading misinformation that you know nothing about in a desperate attempt to gain points in a pointless online argument, idiot.
What hole did you crawl out of, Bethan456? I suggest you crawl back in.
Not a hole. She crawled out from under a bridge.
How progressive of you. Telling other people how to behave. For their own good of course.
A little research would inform you (assuming you are both capable of and interested in learning) that this site is not and never has been a purely climate related site.
If discussions regarding topics you don’t deem worthy of your exalted self are not to your like, do what everyone else does. Don’t read them.
Just giving you the facts, and the reasons why the popularity of this site is declining.
Well said Mark. Regards Peter
Bethany
You statement “promoting HCQ is not political it is dangerous”
is the result of the thought process of a ding=bat with low blood sugar.
HCQ is not dangerous, and has been around for enough decades to know that. Small doses are used in many nations to prevent malaria. Small regular doses might make the immune system more resistant to COVID-19 infections.
The only question is whether the doctors who have prescribed it are getting worthwhile results.
I’ll wait here while you check your patient files.
You must be a doctor, to be such a HCQ “expert”, right?
At least an expert in your own mind?
HCQ’s efficacy was in contention only because the CoV19 virus was able to use more than one enzymatic pathway to infect cells. HCQ only blocks one pathway, the ACE2 pathway.
Using a second enzymatic blocker (such as camostat mesylate) for the TMPRSS2 enzymatic pathway shows that the two in combination are highly effective at stopping CoV19 from infecting cells.
HCQ is one of the most widely-prescribed drugs in the world, and is used by, for instance, rheumatoid arthritis sufferers and those in malaria-prone geographical regions. Some of them have been taking it for decades. It’s one of the most-researched and safest drugs in the world.
The reason HCQ was denigrated recently is because the drug companies, in order to get emergency approval of their treatments, needed to claim that there were no effective treatments available.
The reason the drug companies wanted emergency approval is because that removes any legal liability if their drug proves to be dangerous at any time in the future.
It’s the same with the vaccines… we don’t need a vaccine if HCQ and camostate mesylate are effective (and they are highly effective at commonly-used dosages)… but the drug companies need that emergency approval for their vaccines to remove any legal liability should their vaccine turn out to be dangerous.
You’re just a sheeple who’ll gulp down any leftist shite-sandwich that’s waved in front of your face, because you’re either not sufficiently intellectually endowed or you’re simply too intellectually lazy to discover the truth for yourself. Thinking is hard work, isn’t it? LOL
Great response to someone that probably will not appreciate it one iota but of course we can always hope I am wrong.
Bethan,
There is almost nothing as purely political as “climate science”.
So your suggestion falls flat right there.
Yes, bethan, just did admit it’s all political.
CAGW (now called “Climate Change”) has always been just a lever (among others) to an end.
Claiming HCQ (hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine – as in quine) is “dangerous” is just an excuse to “justify” all of Google’s censorship (“ranking”) of all things WUWT in a Google Search as was done long before Covid.
What is “dangerous” is a site dedicated to climate science promoting drugs that have no proven effectiveness. It would be the same thing is if WUWT promoted colloidal silver for health. It would be different if the articles were written by qualified MDs.
Bethany :
You have provided the usual leftist appeal to authority logical fallacy.
If you didn’t hear it from a doctor, then it can’t be true.
Also, the government climate bureaucrats know all about the climate in 100 years –I’m sure YOU believe them They have to be right because they … are … experts.
Leftists like you don’t do independent thinking — you simply believe what the leftist “experts” have told you to believe.
Like a trained parrot.
Bethany wants a cracker?
squawk squawk
Bethany wants a cracker?
If you stop misspelling your email address, you will stop being automatically moderated.
It’s a pain to fix.
You are seriously comparing a drug that has been safely used for decades to colloidal silver? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Sister, I say you just destroyed your own credibility, but you never had any to begin with. Go crawl back under your bridge you useless concern troll.
“What is “dangerous” is a site dedicated to climate science promoting drugs that have no proven effectiveness.”
A better example of moving the goal posts has rarely been seen.
Although as a troll your entire game is moving goal posts, I get it.
Scary. A brainwashed person who is a perfect example of where despotism begins. A person who not only thinks it’s okay, but laudable to hide and bury facts that their groupthink people disagree with.
There are studies. There is history. There are even personal anecdotes. Regardless of the subject matter, I have a right to view and weigh them. You want to take away that right.
How dare you.
Once again the troll tells everyone else to stop talking about anything it disagrees with.
How typical.
Once again MARKW sticks his nose into a conversation he wasn’t invited into . He tells everyone he knows better than anyone else because he disagrees with them.
How typical.
Typical Bethany
Conclusions, or character attacks.
Sometimes both.
No supporting data, or details.
A legend in her own mind !
It’s okay, no need to medicate.
But do take some extra vitamine D on account
of the winter season. I know I will.
Beth dear, this is an open forum. You make a comment you are inviting everyone here who reads it to reply. That includes people, like MarkW, who disagree with you. So crawl back under the bridge you came from if you don’t like people replying in disagreement to the garbage you post.
Actually bethan456 it is rather easy to disagree with you. Of course this does not make you a bad person. However, some of your opinions raise doubts in my mind about the depth of your knowledge and your abilities concerning logical thought. Of course I could be quite wrong on both counts. Have a nice day. Regards Peter
Hey Bethan,
Where exactly can we find your invitation to the conversation?
Anyone who claims a long standing, well established medicine of the world is bad, is just a chi-com bot to me.
LOL the sky is falling eh?
Statement of Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD, Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Testimony-Risch-2020-11-19.pdf
“So what did I find about hydroxychloroquine in early use among high-risk outpatients?
The first thing is that hydroxychloroquine is exceedingly safe.
Common sense tells us this, that a medication safely used for 65 years by hundreds of millions of people in tens of billions of doses worldwide, prescribed without routine screening EKGs, given to adults, children, pregnant women and nursing mothers, must be safe when used in the initial viral-replication phase of an illness that is similar at that point to colds or flu.
In fact, a study by researchers at the University of Oxford showed that in 14 large international medical-records databases of older rheumatoid arthritis patients, no significant differences were seen in all-cause mortality for patients who did or did not use hydroxychloroquine. ”
As I’ve said, if Trump said “water is wet” there would be a 500 signature letter tomorrow from chemists that would say “there is no science behind the statement”.
People’s minds are broken, truly.
Sergei Brin found out about me and his wife?”
And what did your ex- fiancé have to say about that?
On-topic: This kind of suppression and search burial of things not approved by science-hating Libtards when the science doesn’t agree with them as occurring on Google searches is well documented all over the internet.
We called our site “climate scepticism” https://cliscep.com with the simple aim of picking up hits on Google. It worked for the first few months. Last time I looked we’re somewhere around page three or four on Google, but number one on Duck Duck Go, second to Wiki on Bing. Google’s number one was the Wiki article on climate change denial, followed by similar articles at the Guardian, SkepticalScience, Grist etc.
Geoff: What happened to Brad? I enjoyed his work.
He seems to disappear for long periods of time at a stretch.
Too many of us have been searching…
Just tried it now and the top of the list is a link to Gavin Schmidt on Twitter!
…couldn’t make this up!
If it is wrong for a foreign country like Russia to interfere in America’s or another country’s internal affairs, why is it OK for an international company like Google to censor or otherwise interfere in the free flow of information in any country? It doesn’t make sense. Would we put up with an international phone company listening to our phone calls and disconnecting the call whenever we mention something they don’t like? Would we be content with international mail being opened and not delivered if the content offends the delivery service? I would hope not.
This article prompted me to do a Duck Duck Go search for my name. I have had 10 guest articles published by WUWT. My search only returned two of those ten, and they were from 2016 and 2017. Strangely, one of them included a criticism by Bindidon calling my remarks arrogant, even though the link was for the main article and not any particular comment. One could easily get paranoid about someone or some organization trying to denigrate WUWT and its authors.
Of course Google doesn’t like your very enjoyable posts Willis…they (your posts) don’t support the “narrative”.
Just Google “Climate change-Wikipedia” and scroll down to “Nature and wildlife” where you will see a photo of an emaciated polar bear…suggesting its condition is the result of our emissions. The “evidence” they have for their nonsense amounts to extrapolations of selected short-term trends apparent in the instrumental record, numerical model projections, comparing the mush of proxy data with instrumental data and treating a “consensus” as a scientific case for CO2 climate…in other words science by vote.
How stupid are these people to think we are that stupid? Emissions are the result of energy production and energy production is the primary cause of human wealth and prosperity.
But emissions clearly demonstrate that we have inappropriately taken something from the earth, used it for our own benefit, and not shared it with other creatures. You have to understand, this is why that asteroid was made to hit the earth and bury all that carbon. The dinosaurs had grown too big, were stripping too much to feed themselves, and by not sharing, preventing other creatures from getting their share. A recent study on the age of coal clearly showed that a majority of the coal deposits date from the time of the extinction! And here we are, undoing all of that hard work by burning coal and putting all that carbon back into circulation. Shame on us!
Peter W. you forgot the /sarc tag
Censored by Google, huh Willis?
I’d consider that to be a greater honor than to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.
But only a few people get the Nobel Peace Prize – Goggle censors thousands.
Yippu, Bing, DDG all put Gavin’s Falsifiable Science from WUWT at the top, google never and startpage it is down in the search results.
Search the term AWG, Google list no version that debates the the issue of ‘MANN made global warming’
I did find https://www.conservapedia.com/Anthropogenic_global_warming_theory in DDG
Google is more interested in propagating Leftist Propaganda than doing what they CLAIM to do… i.e. Web Searches. Censorship by lying… it’s what Leftists always do… lie.
I only use Google Search for finding products on Amazon or at Lowes or Home Depot.
Google returns links that open up the correct Apps and displays the results. Amazon and Lowes and Home Depot have terrible search engines.
Many people are unaware Google “personalizes” search results. How that could possibly hide some results for Willis but not others is a mystery. Btw: It does not show results on WUWT for me, either.
I switched from Google search months ago. The reasons include privacy concerns and Google’s manipulation and censorship of web search.
“Many people are unaware Google…”
This is why I don’t use any Google “products” or “services”…
In the video at the bottom of this https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/tucker_takes_on_how_the_election_was_really_stolen.html , Dr. Epstein says (and I’m paraphrasing), “…search results for conservatives were slightly more biased than search results for liberals…” So maybe that explains how some of us get referred directly to it while others have more clicks to get there.
Is this a case of US crony capitalism devolving into oligopoly?
Google is Evil. Surprised? Go with the Duck…Quack Quack.
What was the original motto (or one of them) of GOOGLE? “Don’t be evil.” This where the “You had ONE JOB!” meme applies.
we live in a google matrix.
4 pages of google results and no right link!
yandex pops it at the very top.
15 years ago google was among the good.
Alas.
The force went dark side.
“Corrupted by the Dark Side it was.”
– Yoda syntax
I switched to DuckDuckGo years ago and it’s all I need. Along with “missing” things, Google search pages are usually filled with SEO junk that interests me not.
Now this is odd. On a whim I searched for “Gavin’s Falsifiable Science” on Google.ca and low and behold, the WUWT link is the third in the results list.
I was recently asked to fill out a form for a project I was considering taking on.
The provided link took me to a Google Doc. I needed to set up a Google account before I could enter any info.
So…I told the person who’d sent the link that I refuse to have a Google account and he’d have to send me the form in another format. He asked why, so I gave him my list of reasons. I couldn’t figure out why he seemed to take offense.
Then I found out he was a Google employee! I walked away from the project.
Someone took a look at all the non-Google labelled products that are still owned by Google.
Things like Waze and Captha, for instance.
You can delete all the browsers, search engines, etc., yet still give them information.
Had anyone thought of asking Google why this is?
The WUWT article came up as No 2 on Startpage.
No 1 was Gavin Schmidt on Twitter.