Shelby Talcott Reporter
September 23, 2019 10:55 AM ET
Climate change activists protested on the streets of Washington, D.C., Monday, aiming to shut down the city in an effort to push the government to take action on the climate crisis.
Activists blocked key intersections throughout the nation’s capital Monday morning, causing “gridlocked” traffic across D.C., Sam Sweeney, a reporter for WJLA, tweeted. Police began arresting protesters Monday morning, and the demonstrations are expected to continue throughout the day.
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I thought there was millions of these protesters? Just looks like a few.
Still more than you usually see in one place – it used to be these types were spread out one-to-a-village.
I guess we can thank public schools.
So you’re saying all the Village Idiots got together in Washington DC today for this climate chnage event protest.
Normally they get together to pass laws.
…that exempt themselves.
Maybe the wiser crowd is busy trying to glean real facts while the flock of the model fellowship of Mann pasture on the asphalt and concrete.
public transport more like @JoelSnider
Why no discussion yet on WUWT of this devastating video? Dismantles the media summary of the pending IPCC report. Needs to go viral.
Beautiful link, thanks for sharing
Their preaching to the neo-Marxist choir in DC.
It won’t change a thing.
Not to mention the ‘turn-off’ effect resulting from seeing those silly unhinged nutters running around in their little outfits.
Hey folks, you have car horns. Use them. Get right in their faces and blast away.
Mount air horns–I have a pair on an old sports car.
And the note is so strident it gets the attention of belligerent pedestrians and bicyclists.
As in “right now!”.
Leaves some of them almost jimmy-jammered.
Would work of protestors as well.
Think I’ll put a set on my Daily Driver so I can startle them in the winter months.
🙂
Bob Hoye
Buy a hand held, compressed air operated horn. Seriously loud, a few from car owners would make protesters ears bleed.
Just remember to lower the window and blast it outside, for the sake of your own ears. 😉
That doesn’t do anything.
Fortunately, the police arrested several of them. I guess DC’s left-bias goes away when bureaucrats’ own ox is being gored.
“gored”? pun intended?
icisil September 23, 2019 at 10:08 am
Hey folks, you have car horns. Use them. Get right in their faces and blast away.
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– disclaimer:
Are air horns legal?
The maximum legal decibel level for a car horn on a passenger vehicle is 100-110. …
All states have a line in their vehicle laws and regulations that states a car horn can not emit an unreasonably loud or harsh sound. Not all of them have that exact wording, but they all make the same point.
https://trainhorns.us › articles › are-t…
Are Train Horns Illegal in My State? | Best Train Horns – Unbiased …
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https://www.google.com/search?q=privately+operated+compressed+air+operated+horn+in+cities+forbidden&oq=privately+operated+compressed+air+operated+horn+in+cities+forbidden+&aqs=chrome.
And why are they dressed up as polar bears when polar bears are actually doing better now than over the last 30 years or so?
Because they aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
They even have the wrong misinformation!
Peer-reviewed science does not agree with your prejudiced feelings about polar bears. The current “rebound” in polar bears is due to the moratorium on hunting. The long term outlook is decline as their food source is not appearing in the spring (the only time they feed naturally) as it used to before the massive loss of Arctic ice over the past five decades as solar as declined too.
Arctic volume melt: http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/piomas/
What’s taking out their food supply? Overfishing?
We should propose a global property-and-quota-rights scheme in fishing, because the present scheme is a huge tragedy of the commons. If that means handing over most of the fishing rights to poor countries, I can live with that.
Lack of ice for the seals and sea lions.
Another uniformed Griff it seems.
…did you just blame the previous decline on hunting?
Yes, he did. If removing a moratorium on hunting increases the numbers, then it had to be the hunting that was reducing the numbers.
Even better is why is hunting being allowed at all?
Peer reviewed by whom? Have you spoken to the Inuit that live there? they will give you a much different story.
Rob, have a look at the video link above. It shows how the IPCC reported exceptionally low ice cover in the 20s when the polar bears were doing fine. Polar bears have existing for millions of years, they have seen off many changes in arctic ice.
There isn’t a moratorium on hunting polar bears. Ppp
Hunting polar bears is now highly restricted.
Polar bears thrive with patchy spring sea ice. The worst case event is thick spring sea ice.
There will always be spring sea ice. Even in the ridiculous predicted ice free scenarios, there is still spring ice. For spring ice to disappear, the arctic would have to warm up by about 50°C (WAG).
The fact that Rob actually believes that only papers that have been pal reviewed quality as science is just more evidence that he has no idea what science is.
Rob, do you even know what polar bears eat and why the presence or lack of sea ice makes little difference in their ability to catch them?
My petty, creepy cyberstalker with Stockholm syndrome strikes to waste recycled cyber bits on BS. It is besotted with me after so many spankings that it has endured from me. Poor MarkW is under-educated and does not know how peer-review works. He pretends there is science that succeeds outside of science – that is where he and his charlatans run around their science denial bubble where they think their junk science is meaningful.
I read that but all my brain heard was blah, blah, blah….
You have called everyone a name. You have not provided or proved any of your positions or point.
I have not called you anything but “Rob” but you may be that Esrt Van Doren fellow. Your style of attack reminds me of a series post a few weeks ago about anti-meat campaign.
Haven’t a clue what you are waffling on about. Well maybe you should look markie’s cyberstalking of me – he is besotted. He’s Pavlovian.
Show one comment where I have given science that is not backed up by evidence. Please proceed. My prediction is that it will stay silent or return and deflect with some more immature and puerile spew or Gish Gallop.
“Rob” is a bot. No doubt about it.
Rob say’s “Show one comment where I have given science that is not backed up by evidence”.
I haven’t seen one comment where you have given science. You have just been making claims without documenting the source and then hurling insults at anybody attempting that refutes the claim. That behavior is stifling any productive debate and making you sound like an simpleton.
Irs pretty clear the sea in the arctic waxes and wanes with the AMO. You should watch this video:
https://youtu.be/zGZQnkIvtms
OMG a video by the biggest charlatan in climate science denial bubble. Please get a scientifically literate person to help you. If you like videos to watch how potholer54 shreds the moron Heller or is t his pseudonym Steve Goddard today?
Rob, you sound like a breathless professional troll….
Rob,
Nice pivot, from polar bears to PIOMAS. The problem with your pivot, however, is three-fold. First, sea-ice “volume” is most difficult to determine, which leads to considerable variance between various attempts to graph the volume. PIOMAS tends to show less ice than DMI, for example.
Second, all graphs show the volume quadruple by April, when the bears eat the helpless baby seals laying on the “baby ice.” For example, Hudson Bay is all open water now, but will be completely ice covered by April. The bears in Hudson Bay will get fat.
Third, there is evidence that what causes both bears and seals to starve is not too little sea-ice, but too much sea-ice, which keeps them from getting in and out of the water.
I suggest you visit the “Polar Bear Science” site of the zoologist Susan Crockford, or, if you are lazy, just check out her Youtube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=jQRle6pgBCY
It would be a real pity if Susan could only be heard if she put her hair in pigtails and railed raw emotion before the U.N.
Are you hallucinating? I did not deflect. Susan Crockford is not recognized by her peers as an expert and has little success in the peer-reviewed press. She is not considered to be an expert in her country. I know very little about this field so tell me what I’m missing? (With verifiable evidence)
I think you only refuse to heed me because I have no pigtails.
https://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2019/09/24/arctic-sea-ice-pigtails/
“Inuit lives must be protected over polar bears, Nunavut community says
Residents rattled by deadly attacks as territory works toward new bear management plan.”
Government officials must do a better job of controlling the polar bear population along the west coast of Hudson Bay, according to residents left scared and angered by a pair of recent and deadly attacks.
Two Nunavut men were killed by polar bears this summer — in the communities of Arviat and Naujaat. They were the first such deaths in the territory in 18 years, and many say they could have been prevented if the communities were allowed to kill the bears like they were 10 years ago, before protections were put in place.
“Like any other protected animals, they grow in numbers fast,” says Alex Ishalook, deputy mayor of Arviat, the southernmost Nunavut community on the coast.
:
Nunavut hunter calls for changes to polar bear rules after fatal summer attacks
Nunavut hunter killed by polar bear and cub
Man killed by polar bear ‘died a hero,’ cousin says
The community was once allowed to kill 20 polar bears each year. That dropped to zero about 10 years ago when the territorial government changed the hunting regulations. The restrictions soon became a problem, Ishalook says.
The hamlet hired polar bear monitors in 2010 to patrol the area and fend off bears, and it set up a hotline for residents to report bear activity.
‘So many bears’: Draft plan says Nunavut polar bear numbers unsafe
If a bear comes into town, people in all corners of the community of 2,500 pick up the phone, he said.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/polar-bear-management-arviat-1.4904164
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Recently, political organization of indigenous peoples has led to international recognition and clarification of human and political rights concerning indigenous populations. Rights to land and natural resources are an important part of the culture and survival of indigenous peoples in the Arctic.
https://www.arcticcentre.org/EN/arcticregion/Arctic-Indigenous-Peoples/Demography
https://www.arcticcentre.org/EN/arcticregion/Arctic-Indigenous-Peoples
It is difficult to tell from that brief video, but the protest seems to be dominated by wealthy white folks.
I might have been inclined to give the protesters a tiny bit of sympathy if just one of them assisted the elderly person with the walker trying to cross the street in front of their banner. But they were more interested in screaming and yelling their mindless chants than helping someone less fortunate.
It is always wealthy white people.
their greatest fear is healthy happy prosperous dark skinned people.
I am wealthy white person and I am not out there acting like an idiot. Nor do I get upset when I see other successful humans regardless of their skin color or any other differences.
I find your comment to be misguided, immoral, unethical, and sad that you see the world through skin color. But please continue to self identify; do not let me stand in your way.
+97
..you got your “theirs” mixed up…….liberal protesters
Since you do not find fault with their “idiotic” actions ….. are we to assume that you are an older wealthy white person who no long engages in such silly antics ……. and you damn sure don’t want to be photographed or videoed doing the things that you use to do?
Anyone that condones such idiotic actions is just as guilty as the perpetrators are.
The “3 R’s” that were once associated with the public schools, …. “Readin, Rightin and Rithmatitk”, …. have been replaced with …. the new “3 R’s” of “Rioting, Rebelling and Resisting”.
@SCC
If you spent time reading my other comments in the thread you would know the answer to that question.
No 4EDouglas used a broad brush to describe that only wealthy white people are doing this while at the same keeping people of color on the bottom. Wealthy people, regardless of skin color, have more important things to do in life.
Making a supposition that a group is that monolithic and monotonic is myopic at best. It is a radical racial comment that needed push back; thought that was clear in my rebuttal.
But to be clear no I do not support them or their cause.
I support their to right to protest. Anyone that would deny them their idiotic rant is getting in the way of progress. This group is heading for a high speed crash into oblivion. Let them self identify and do not get in their way.
I support my right to point and laugh at them.
I support my right to push back on racially motivated comments.
He didn’t say that only white people do such things, he said all white people do such things.
Just as bad, just a different form of racism.
JEHILL, ….. don’t be talking more “trash”. I asked you a question, which was, ….. “ are we to assume that you are an older wealthy white person ” ……. and you ignored it.
So just as I figured, …..you are young, ….. under 35, …… and not wealthy enough to move out of your parent’s home …… and you embrace the lunacy of the “climate protesting movement”.
“DUH”, those adolescent minded “protestors” aren’t smart enough to protest something more attuned to their limited intelligence, …… like halting the excessive rains in Texas and Louisiana, …… preventing the destructive Spring flooding of the Mississippi …… or putting a damper on the dastardly “hot” drought conditions in Death Valley.
Those 3 items are sure as ell a lot easier for those “dummies” to try fixin ….. than their silliness at trying to “fix the climate”.
@SCC
Hey man I am on your side; not sure why you are coming down me and ignoring the racist comment by 4EDouglas.
I am nearly 50 and I am a bleached polar bear kind of white; not pretty. Been in the US Army as a paratrooper and haven’t been home since. Lost my mother to cancer at the age 22 after an 11 year fight. Been to 49 of the 50 states; lived in 11 states, been to Calgary a few times and London for work and Holiday; I minded the gap while I was in London; I moved with the Army and Corporate sponsored moves most of those 11 times; organizations paid me to move; I am on the cusp of another company sponsored move.
Have not been a liberal since the age of three.
Stated I did not agree with the idiotic climate protesters. Not sure what more I can add to this other than to say protesting the climate seems like an oxymoronic thing to do; as the only way to escape this planet’s climate is to be on different planet but you will still be in a climate.
I am not going to include my LinkedIn profile here but I did include it on the comment submissions form
JEHILL – September 24, 2019 at 12:46 pm
“DUH”, you are not on my side …… and the ONLY thing ‘racist’ about 4EDouglas’s comment is what you and all the other liberal racist and/or partisan Democrats conjure up in your mind to justify your incivility toward anyone that doesn’t kowtow to your “will n’ pleasure”.
In other words, anyone or anything that disagrees with you or yours ……. ya’ll immediately accuse them of being “a racist”.
What 4EDouglas stated was an undeniable truth about the “accusations and charges” being voiced by the liberal left Democrats, to wit:
And JEHILL, you being a “nearly 50 year old bleached polar bear kind of white” doesn’t negate your ‘racist’ guilt any more than it does the ‘racist’ guilt of the “white-like-you” WEALTHY Democrat POTUS candidates, or any of the other irate “mouthy” democrats that are afflicted with the “Trump Derangement Syndrome”.
Congressional Democrats have wasted the past 3 years, shirking their “elected” duties in favor of trying to prosecute Trump on “trumped-up” charges and accusations. They are literally obsessed with destroying Trump and regaining control of the ….. DC Swamp of dastardly deeds, graft and corruption.
Ok brother, be at peace.
@SCC
I am absolutely none of those item you are ascribing to me.
You have misread both mine and 4EDouglas’ comments.
Nothing I say will change your view of me. I reject everything you are saying about me.
I wish nothing but the best for you.
If we didn’t want wealthy dark skinned people we would be supporting the policies of Democrats, and confining them to inner-city ghettos with no education and uncontrolled recreational drugs.
…and plenty of firearms, and abortion clinics.
One constant with liberals, they are racist to the core.
“This is more important than their jobs”.
Nice to know he’s made that decision for others. There’s the real “privilege” I keep hearing about.
Even if that job help secures our country from attack that allows this protester to actually protest. They have the foresight of rear view mirrors.
Yeah, this new generation really seems to display a lot of entitled privilege – it’s THEIR planet – it’s THEIR future – NOT anybody else who still happens to live here, and still will be for a while yet.
But apparently, they’re all teenagers now (or college-graduates – even worse, these days), and of course know everything – and they’re ready to take their rightful place as rulers. It’s an arrogance that’s absolute.
I’ll tell you this – if they actually get what they wanted ‘their’ future will be a lot bleaker – real-world bleak, as opposed to virtual reality projected a century or two in the future.
That guy in the polar bear suit sure doesn’t look like any millennial or gen-z’er. Looks more like a guy a little too young to have been able to protest the Viet Nam war, and now sees his chance to Make A Difference.
Why can’t more people follow Voltaire’s advice to “cultivate one’s own garden”?
That guy’s probably one of their teachers.
But to your point – that’s exactly what I mean when I say it’s always the same people in every generation – who just can’t stand to allow other people to live their lives in ways they don’t approve.
Add that to the forced-compliance to the latest end-of-the-world fear – C02 instead of 2012, or 1999, or Y2K, or the Population Bomb, or the Flying Saucer, or etc…
To be fair, the Y2K thing didn’t try to change other people’s lives. It just made lots of money for underemployed Cobol programmers.
They are too bound up with trying to poke their nose elsewhere.
Maybe they should:
Clean their own room
Cultivate their OWN garden
Not put their rubbish over their neighbour-s fence.
For most of the protesters, such stunts are their jobs.
Negative IQ is real.
Just look at Rob.
My petty, creepy cyberstalker with Stockholm syndrome strikes to waste recycled cyber bits on BS. It is besotted with me after so many spankings that it has endured from me! Why are you so jealous and envious.
Well, he’s mastered the exclamation point, but seems confused about the question mark.
I think he’s chanting a spell of some sort, watch out for atmospheric mayhem if he invokes the latent omnipotence of the 0.04%.
The Daily Caller founded by white supremacist Tucker Carlson with fossil fuel money to provide disinformation and fake news is now a reference source for the infamous WUWT? Your low standards are falling to rock bottom. Shame on you!
Says the murderous communist dictator wanna-be.
Pathetic immature projection
Pretty lame, Rob. If you were any good, you would have included homophobia and sexism in your rant.
I don’t embellish or regurgitate fake news as you seem to enjoy. Or perhaps there are more things you know about Carlson than me? I presume you are not advocating DC as a reference source and jest.
But you do apparently lie….fabricate; peddle in fake news yourself; classical case of physiological projection; with an unhealthy dose of cognitive dissonance.
Proof? Links?
Most of us here obtain our information and knowledge from multiple sources; remember we are the skeptics;
You are no skeptic. A skeptic is well versed in the topic at the expert level. You are a rookie right-wing conservative science denier who bleats an appeal to authority seeking some illusive credibility. So to lying, I wouldn’t go there if I were you as that is now your platform as evidenced by the behavior of your fat, lazy, orange coward clown leader in the WH.
I did not vote for Trump. I did not vote for Hillary either.
I had a blank line and voted for myself.
You obviously have not read any my comments. I challenge everyone and all authority – remember I am skeptical of anybody self-proclaimed “expert” status.
As far as being a science denier:
My background is Electrical Engineering and Chemistry.
I have been a Cyclotron Engineer, Radio-Chemist, Analytical Instrumentation Engineer and, a Paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division, three summer internships at Oak Ridge National Lab, passed the Navy Nuclear entrance exam just to name a few things. How about you?
The climate is changing; planet Earth is warming up; but planet Earth has done this before; so so what big deal.
Thank you for affirming you are neither an expert or a climate scientist. Your comments bare that out strongly.
Nonsense! CWP is unprecedented at 200x where natural variation would have the planets mean temperature and at least 35x the rate of the last four warming cycles as Earth exited glacial to interglacial.
@Rob
The study of climate is multi-disciplinary endeavor. Thermodynamics, Chemistry, Geology, Physics, etc.
Talk about appealing to authority. Pot calling kettle black, much? Again, with psychological projections and cognitive dissonance.
During my time as an instrumentation engineer I was a 3rd party technical advisor to one of NOAA’s oceanic laboratories. One of their main analytical instruments was a TOC analyzer. They called me when they needed technical and engineering support. I also supported all of the environmental academics in this particular geographic region across all the disciples of planetary science.
Those numbers are from cherry picked timelines. Not that it would matter to me. It does not change that the system is dynamic and chaotic. It is not static and the boundaries and variability are wide.
Are you suggesting that biological activities/ lifeforms have never made a compositional atmospheric or geological change to planet Earth?
Technical question for you:
When you see a forested area with lots of Lichen on the trees; what would this indicate as to the state of the environment? No using Google either.
Trump maybe a lot of things you hate but Lazy ain’t one of them.
As I stated I did not vote for him but I am happy that Hillary lost.
Rob, was anything they reported not true?…made up video or something?
“You are no skeptic. A skeptic is well versed in the topic at the expert level.”
Rob, for the past 50 years….who is responsible for all the increase in atmospheric CO2?
Human activity.
Rob
Are you suggesting that XR protesters are somehow “well versed in the topic at the expert level“?
It would appear you are are a rookie “left-wing socialist science denier who bleats an appeal to authority seeking some illusive credibility.
The difference is we sceptics are inclined to keep our own counsel. We examine the science critically rather than bursting onto a blog and hurling inane, puerile insults at people.
Please sit in the corner for a while and consider your conduct before returning to engage in an adult discussion.
You are permitted to suck your thumb whilst in said corner.
You are no skeptic but a strong science denier – see my previous comments for my reasoning and your confirmation that you are not a skeptic.
“Human activity.”
got any idea which humans?….
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/pics/0713_Fig1.jpg
There you go again Rob, demonstrating your utter contempt for actual science.
Study up on the issues of resolution and why you can’t compare rates for proxies vs. instrument records.
My petty, creepy cyberstalker with Stockholm syndrome strikes to waste recycled cyber bits on BS. It is besotted with me after so many spankings that it has endured from me! What is it with you uneducated buffoons that you feel compelled to follow your intellectual superiors after we have given you thorough schooling in the very basics of math and science? Those are emotionally appealing talking points, too bad they are not based in reality or have any scientific context and is meaningless and misleading. Definitely not from a scientifically literate brain. Very creepy!!
Among the many facts that Rob works so hard to avoid knowing, is the fact that the oceans outgas CO2 as they warm.
My petty, creepy cyberstalker with Stockholm syndrome strikes to waste recycled cyber bits on BS. It is besotted with me after so many spankings that it has endured from me!
MarkW shows that it is clueless about partial pressure – if what he asserts is true then our oceans should be undergoing alkalinization instead of acidification. pH has dropped 30% since the beginning of the 20th century and continues to fall. Can’t BS data Markie.
no Rod pH has not dropped 30%…..some scientist you are
pH has dropped from 8.2 to 8.1…. a drop of 0.1….that represents a 30% increase in acidity
…and 8.1 is still solid in the normal range….no measurements have shown it’s still falling
or a 30% decrease (drop) in alkalinity. Don’t let semantics do your science – you will never be successful.
Alkalinity and pH are different things. Before you question other’s expertise, you should halfway know about the subject.
You probably shouldn’t repeat that line over and over again when you don’t know what half of it means.
The Stockholm syndrome bit isn’t even remotely rational. That’s when a hostage starts identifying with and rationalizing for their kidnapper.
As for Cyberstalker, Mark is the regular here. YOU are the ignorant troll with nothing interesting to say.
Even the thing about recycled cyber bits more accurately describes you and your copy/pasted arguments repeated ad nosium.
All in all, a weak taunt regurgitated too often by a fool.
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That was an @Rob?
MarkW and you are classic examples of why you science deniers have no traction and are an embarrassment to yourselves and your nation but you are either too stubborn or arrogant to know better. Shame on you.
For the 2nd time:
The planet is slightly warmer again, so what?
Data seems to indicate that humans have added some CO2 to atmosphere; data tenuously suggests there may be increased temperatures trends; that data as of yet does not correlate that the two are related. Again so what?
Run away rookie ignorance. You peaked in middle school, didn’t you? You personify ignorance, mountain dew, big trucks and chew.
The data and science are unequivocal. AGW is a rare, solid scientific theory, 123 years old with consensus. Every current researcher worldwide who publishes in the recognized peer-review journals subscribes to the theory i.e. 100%.
Scientific bodies, professional organizations, institutes, societies, etc worldwide that reject the IPCC findings = ZERO! Defendant Chevron 3/21/2018 Federal Court SFC:
“The best science was presented by plaintive … from Chevron’s perspective, there’s no debate about climate science. First, because Chevron accepts what this scientific body and includes scientists and others, but what the IPCC has reached consensus on in terms of science on climate change.” All other defendants concurred.” People of State of California v. BP p.l.c. http://climatecasechart.com/case/people-state-california-v-bp-plc-oakland/ Defendants: Exxon Mobile, Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron, BP, ConocoPhilips +10 DOES
Okay Rob – why don’t you take your race-baiting, bigot tirade and shove it up your AOC.
Oh please, why the prevarication and embellishment? Is it cathartic to lie like the fat, lazy, orange lying coward clown in the WH?
Trump may be a lot of things but Lazy ain’t one of them.
He seems to in fact run circles around the leftist leaning media and climate alarmists.
He exemplifies lazy. Works an 8 hour day with six for personal time to watch Fox and learn what he needs to parrot or tweet. He has been most successful to be the first president to score the #1 last spot on the list compiled by presidential historians. This has never been attained by a sitting president let alone those out of office. The bottom spot was usually a tie between four of five from the 19th and early 20th century. He thinks he is worthy of a Nobel prize – what’s he going to do when Greta gets one and he’s on his way to prison?
Rob > “MarkW shows that it is clueless about partial pressure – if what he asserts is true then our oceans should be undergoing alkalinization instead of acidification. pH has dropped 30% since the beginning of the 20th century and continues to fall. Can’t BS data Markie.”
….Rob, you just blew it…..no scientist would have said that….it’s not even possible
What? Your comment makes no sense. Please let everyone know when the English translation of your post becomes available.
“pH has dropped 30%”….no one would say something that stupid….it doesn’t even work that way
Oh please it is actually closer to 35%.
Acidification of the oceans: Range of ocean pH is 7.5 – 8.5, with a current mean of about 8.069 and heading to 7.824 when pre-industrial CO₂ doubles (560ppmv). Between 1751 and 1996 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.25 to 8.14 representing an increase of almost 35% in H+ ion concentration in the world’s oceans. DOI:10.1029/2004JD005220 and SCOR (International Council for Science Scientific Committee on Ocean Research).
Estimates. Lets not forget percentages are irrelevant in a logarithmic system.
An extinct rebel here to support their loser group? Not forgetting that Soros is a major support.
Blindingly wrong on every point.
Clearly identifying yourself as either paid trollop or a spineless couch potato who watches CNN and loves the New York Time.
• Uninformed.
• Utter lack of knowledge in spite of education.
Yet, proud to go on websites and display your ignorance.
• Prove Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist; i.e. definitive evidence not sloppy claims from AOC.
• Tucker Carlson adheres to telling and showing the truth.
• The Daily Caller is not a fake news source; or you can prove your claim by posting evidence; again, not silly claims.
WUWT maintains, even counting your silly comment, an extremely high standard of excellence.
It is obvious why you admire the privileged white supremacist Tucker. His approach to facts and evidence is very similar to your techniques in distorting reality.
You are caught in a lie. Lie smarter. A lie makes you look weak, desperate, and disreputable. Why do you bother to write a lie so easy to Gôôgle and verify? A more competent liar will make a fabrication that’s harder to debunk. Humans with a spine would produce verifiable evidence for their assertions, not prejudiced feelings. I’ve examined invertebrates with more spine than you!
The Parrot has more lines!
“Rob September 23, 2019 at 1:39 pm
I have all the hard sciences at undergrad level with majors in geography, paleontology, Earth science, and economic geology and graduated with a BSc before I turned 20.”
If true, you would be recognised, somewhere, for that achievement. And rightly so. Could you show your achievements, it would support your rather, arrogant and deriding, position.
Worry about yourself. My life is of no concern to you. I didn’t set out to do geology and used it initially as a filler course. Well, they dropped a surprise quiz after a month and I scored the highest marks ever for which they held an ad hocaward ceremony and presented me with my first noncurricular book on Earth Science signed by the head of the department who was a very famous Geomorphologist and Paleontologist. I was hooked at 16 years.
@Rob,
Cool story bro….
That really does sound like a “registered professional scientist” of 50 decades….
With Earth science (It was called planetary science when I did it in the UK) I beat you by 8 years. But who’s counting?
Rob, stop using fossil fuels every day you flaming HYPOCRITE!!
Because your imagined climate change, and stop helping out Exxon.
I use minimal fossil fuels and supply power to my local electricity Co-op from solar. I leave the lightest practical carbon footprint that I can. Climate change due to humans is not imagined – it is well documented. You need to keep up. Perhaps I have the advantage of being an active professional scientist for over 50 decades and still active and current in my retirement. I love my grandchildren probably you have none with your hardon for habitat and biosphere destruction?
professional scientist for over 50 decades
But cannot do simple math:
50 decades * 10 years = 500 years old. It is sad to think that someone who lived without fossil would ever want to go back. Or you just cannot do math.
You do realize that whatever machine you are using to grace us with your existence was physically made using fossilized raw materials left/deposited by ancient biology in geological formations.
Typo’s are greater among the smarter minds as shown by numerous published research papers. Typos are the sign of a very smart mind that recognizes all formats of the same spelling. Copy editors/proof readers are average IQ and cheap. You even do it for free. There’s Grammarly software too!
Than why have you missed all of mine.
For the record that’s a mathematical mental error not a grammar, typo, or syntax error 😉
Just sayin’
Rob, when someone says they are a “professional scientist,” they are neither. An actual scientist calls themselves by their field: a physicist; a geologist; an engineer.
But you’re an obvious troll, only here to spew nonsense and try to roil the waters. I’ll give you a chance, however.
What analysis of what data have you done to convince yourself that the danger from anthropogenic global warming, leading to catastrophic climate change, is real?
Quoting other’s work is not acceptable. Using the “97%” meme is unacceptable. For example, I have the temperature records from NOAA’s GHCN Daily Temperature records loaded into a database at home. I’ve created my own 5 deg X 5 deg world grid to experiment with weighted averaging.
You?
I know my own career very well after five decades and also a registered professional scientist in the US and internationally where such was required. I am old enough to have been trained in several fields which were all in their infancy when I was a post-graduate student and are specialist fields in their own right today. I have all the hard sciences at undergrad level with majors in geography, paleontology, Earth science, and economic geology and graduated with a BSc before I turned 20. I have post-graduate in engineering geology, ground-water hydrology, soil and rock mechanics, hydraulic engineering and hydrology, climatology, and environmental engineering. I have worked on every inhabitable continent. I have authored or co-authored hundred’s of scientific reports and the odd peer-reviewed paper. I have also contributed to several seminal books on applied Earth and Climate science. I have taught as guest lecturer at several universities at under and postgraduate level and more conferences, symposia and professional meetings than I care to recall.
I hope you meant 5 decades…
Rob, for the past 50 years, who has been responsible for all the increase in atmospheric CO2?
I’ll give you a hint > http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/pics/0713_Fig1.jpg
Until you “advocates” place blame where it belongs….it’s a scam
Rob, given your tendency to find reason to insult others over the slightest fault, your attempts excuse your own typos is really funny.
I’m guessing that he’s a social scientist, more than likely, self taught.
A career spanning “50 decades” and “hundred’s of scientific reports.”
This guy tells bigger whoppers and makes more errors than Mikey Fraudpants.
@Rob “I leave the lightest practical carbon footprint that I can. ”
What a cop out. But it’s entirely typical how you nuts rationalize your hypocritical lifestyle.
As usual, when asked to defend his claims, he merely regurgitates his claims along with new insults.
Rob is the ultimate denier, he not only denies science, but he denies reality as well.
MarkW
Rob’s no more a scientist than I am.
Why don’t you two dumb non-scientists get a room and have a private love fest to celebrate your nescience.
Ro
(Presumably Rob, which also suggests he’s changing his identity on here and missed a letter in his panic to respond).
Is that the best puerile insult you can muster?
Scientist my backside…….you wouldn’t know science if it jumped up and bit you on the backside! LOL
@Rob: Do you know what White Supermacist means? When people such as you, Rob, can only use ad hominem attacks, which are devoid of ration, you know who won the argument. It is not you.
To the left, a white supremacist is anyone who disagrees with them regarding social policy.
Rob has just proven that the cranial/sphincter junction is not only possible but is in full practice by himself and a multitude of others just like him. If Rob, and others like him, believe there is a climate cataclysm in progress and that mankind is the cause, they should put up, or shut up, and do the right thing; end themselves.
Personally, I do not think there is a problem with the climate of the Earth and, because that’s my position, I’m NOT being a hypocrite by doing nothing about it. Rob and company, on the other hand, are hypocrites by default because they haven’t offed themselves for the betterment of the environment. Nothing less will do.
So, how about it, Rob? You willing to give the ultimate sacrifice to save the planet? Because, from where I stand, you’re a giant hypocrite with absolutely NO credibility if you’re not down for the struggle and willing to give up everything for the cause. After all, that’s what this climate cataclysm movement is all about but, then, that’s only for other people, right Rob? It’s up to others to give up everything and die in squalor to save the planet.
There’s no sarcasm intended in the above, I am dead serious. I’m tired of these self righteous A$$ Clowns who have no idea of the consequences of what they’re advocating for. They are advocating for the obliteration of Western Civilization and industrialization all together and going back to a state of being as hunter gatherers which means that 99.9% of the worlds population would have to go bye-bye. Well, my message to Rob and company is YOU FIRST.
Regards
Max
Huzzah!!
+10000000%
Max: In adding to your comment. If all people like Rob left society, I imagine there would no down side. But just imagine if people who contribute to society left. Rob, what is your net good to society, other than your intentions to hurt poor people?
I feel sorry for anyone who was taught by the likes of Rob.
Hold on, he is so worried about the climate and planet, he has grandchildren. Tiny tiny carbon footprint there!
It’s all good. We stand outside of leftist framings and laugh at them. It’s hard to tell which is funnier: their faux morality or your sarcasm.
As Parrots go, you’re not at all impressive.
Your pablum is weak but informative of your lack of integrity and character.
Oooo… the troll knows $5 words.
Rob your cognitive reasoning is non existent. You also show a lack of common sense. Hit the books for a while then come back and show us what you have learned. Bring “FACTS” this time not your present supposition.
Common sense is useless that’s why you think the earth is flat, the sun rises and sets, etc. I don’t think you know what facts are and science works by evaluating evidence and analyzing data.
Fact: a statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.
What you believe or don’t is entirely up to you; it’s not a religion but science. The statements in a scientific study are not canonical. It can be criticized, e.g., assumptions, data collection or methodology. Or someone has better and newer data as evidence that points to different conclusions. Any scientific study can be subject to revision, that’s how we progress and advance! However, if your only basis do dismiss a study is your disbelief of the results from the study then this is just argument from incredulity. Which is a logical fallacy, but not a valid argument in science? Then you have nothing.
…you just described peer review…and the like think of peers
Rob, I have to tell you, at the beginning, over twenty years ago, I was intrigued with this subject. I obtained a BSci in physics, and an M.S. in astrophysics back in the ‘70s.
I had thought the climate was too complex to model, and was fascinated that research had advanced sufficiently for them to have credible models that were accepted as being accurate for predictions of decades in the future.
I was disappointed that little details of the models were available, what was available was extremely simplistic, there were no observational data that supported them, and nothing but the future could verify or disprove them; there were no ways to test them.
I found two sites that discussed the subject. One presented ideas with supporting data. Commenters discussed the pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses of the concepts. Everyone learned a little from each other, and any disagreements were respectful, though sometimes passionate.
The second site, which supposedly showed the science of global warming, presented little science. Every weather event was offered as proof of impending catastrophe. Most of the topics were predictions of doom that was certain to happen. In the comment section, if anyone questioned the conclusion, or even asked a valid scientific question (What are the margins of error on these forecasts? How can we verify these conclusions?) he was answered with scorn, derision, and insults. Guess which site I stayed with, the one with intellectual discourse on the subject, or the one with nothing but vile rants at any questioning of their overly-simplistic science?
In short, Rob, people like YOU convinced me that the catastrophic climate change movement contains little science but a lot of hatred. Your comments have done nothing to show me that anything has changed over the years.
If your research was as thorough as you imply, you should be turning up different results. Have any links from a scientist or scientifically literate person who knows what they’re doing?
In order for your criticisms to matter, you need to demonstrate that the models are missing meaningful physics for the purpose the model has been designed for (as opposed to some other purpose you would like the model to be designed for). With GCMs there is nothing to be uncertain of. You run a model, and that is what is simulated. Uncertainty is about what would happen if you had done things differently. With a model that is easy. You just do things differently and see. Run it again. That is what we do. Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5 (CMIP5)
Climate models project forced trends but only simulate stochastic variability. By inference no-one should expect them to accurately project global temperatures over short periods that are dominated by stochastic and unforced variability. Decades of data show that models reliably produce accurate projections of long-term trends for specified emission scenarios. The models are certainly accurate enough to inform and formulate policy decisions. So-called climate skeptics have yet to construct a model that explains the observed warming. The only explanation of the warming that is consistent with the temperature record over the last hundred years is warming due to the release of greenhouse gases. The claim that climate models systematically overestimate the response to radiative forcing from increasing greenhouse gas concentrations is unfounded [2015: doi:10.1038/nature14117]. If science-deniers are so certain that another force is responsible for the warming then why can’t they construct a model to demonstrate that?
Gee, Rob, if you are a scientist or scientifically literate person who knows what he is doing, why aren’t you providing me with the links I have been searching for? I can’t demonstrate that the models are missing meaningful physics for the purpose the model has been designed for if I can’t see their assumptions, methodology, programming, and input data.
Decades of data show the models do not reliably produce accurate projections of the magnitude of long-term trend for specified emission scenarios. Actual data prove that. Nothing else is required. That means the models are far too inaccurate to inform and formulate policy decisions. There is a lot of difference between 0.9 degrees warming per century and 9.0 degrees.
If you feel that greenhouse gases are the only explanation for current warming, please tell me what mechanism was responsible for the warming from 1910 to 1940. We do not know that which we do not know. The support of a concept by the process of elimination is the weakest evidence of all science.
No, Ron, it is not up to us to provide a better model to dismiss existing models as wrong. Models stand on their on merits, without regard to anthing else. When a model fails to correspond to reality, it is wrong. No futher effort is required. No competent scientist would say otherwise.
The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.
As usual, you are very verbose with nothing to support what you say.
Utter nonsense. You make all the assertions and demand links and citations from me. Well, that is not how science or debate works. The burden of proof is on you.
You are conflating weather for climate. An oft-made rookie error. Climate is just simply the mean of the weather over a baseline of a minimum of 30 years. Scientifically literate folk know this? What is your handicap?
I don’t have time to waste on scientifically inept folk and junk science so please don’t waste any more of my time with your silliness./ Once you are able to step it up several notches I am sure we can have very fruitful discussions.
Rob is no doubt a paid troll. Go for it Rob. Pull out the troll textbook and use every suggestion in it.
Just curious, what do you actually get paid for this? Is it really worth it?
Report back to troll central and tell them your vengeance against the intelligentsia, has failed!
Rob, why are you talking about yourself in the third person?
Rob believes that replying to him more than twice makes you an internet stalker.
At least he’s dropped his obsessions with children and clowns for now.
Once again, when faced with an utter lack of facts, Rob decides that the way forward is just to make up insults about anyone who happens to be more conservative than he is.
Notice that once again Rob doesn’t offer any proof of his slurs, and if he follows pattern, asking him to back up his slanders will result in him spewing even more insults. He may even get so upset that he is forced to break out his thesaurus.
People demonstrating their constitutional rights and another day to skip school or call into work for a sick day.
“People demonstrating their constitutional rights and…”
Or potentially affecting national security, being a public safety nuisance, or economic terrorism….
Lame. Just….. lame.
Once again I hear Barbara Streisand cooing:
“Send in the Clowns…. There have to be Clowns. Don’t bother, they’re here!“
I prefer Joan Collins
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=joan+collins+send+in+the+clowns&sp=1&qs=HS&pq=joan+collins&sk=PRES1&sc=8-12&cvid=f720b0fe69524fc3a0ee12018f5b02f6&cc=US&setlang=en-US&ru=%2fsearch%3fq%3djoan%2bcollins%2bsend%2bin%2bthe%2bclowns%26form%3dANNNB1%26sp%3d1%26qs%3dHS%26pq%3djoan%2bcollins%26sk%3dPRES1%26sc%3d8-12%26cvid%3df720b0fe69524fc3a0ee12018f5b02f6%26cc%3dUS%26setlang%3den-US&view=detail&mmscn=vwrc&mid=6F339131EDF1D0DBF8336F339131EDF1D0DBF833&FORM=WRVORC
That should be “Judy” Collins. As far as I know “Joan” Collins is not a singer.
Not a great singer, perhaps, but here she is — in excellent company, too.
I prefer to reference Streisand’s own music, when disparaging a political circus she agrees with!
What is the difference between Joan Collins and a KitKat?
The overwhelming feeling I have following the climate alarmists demos is just how pathetic they seem. The children can be forgiven because they have not been taught the truth. The grown up children, note I avoid calling the adults, because they have clearly not reached that stage of maturity, are just pathetic.
The numbers involved also speaks for itself. The climate alarmists are losing the debate because they have no scientific basis for their nonsense position.
“The climate alarmists are losing the debate because they have no scientific basis for their nonsense position.”
That’s what it boils down to.
When the alarmists are challenged and asked to “put up or shut up” about scientific verificatin of CAGW they don’t have anything to put up so they have to shut up. They fail this challenge and they know it and they know they are losing the debate.
I saw 3 young girls looking very dejected during the strike, they had cardboard placards, but were not bothering to wave them, I guess they had either been largely ignored by people going about their business, or had somehow failed to meet up with the adult “gurus” behind the strike.
Protesting in costumes is silly, pointless. The cult of CAGW are 100% incorrect and they are so mad ….
Anger is weird… strange… not logical… and dangerous.
Angry pointless wordless is pathetic.
It is sad to see anger in a young child. Look at her face. That is not right.
‘You have stolen my dreams’: Thunberg at UN … – YouTube
https://www.youtube.com › watch
We need to start an intelligent conversion with the Left wing that goes some where.
…well obviously her “dreams” were not to be famous, travel the world, yachts, and be the center of attention
The Left seems to be lacking the necessary cognitive abilities for engaging in intelligent conversation. All they seem to know is hate.
I’m thinking that there are too many government regulations. Why, you might ask?
Because the people who just wanted to get to work would have just ploughed ahead, asserting their right to freedom of travel, except there would be paperwork! Hours and hours of @ur momisugly#%! paperwork.
So they just sit there in their cars and stew about the delay because at least there is no paperwork.
The protesters should consider themselves lucky that they weren’t blocking anyone who actually likes paperwork.
I was just watching bbc news, and I saw a poster made to look like the sun with “solar power” written on it 😐 Do these people not know the massive destruction need to mine the materials and materials needed for tons upon tons of batteries, which also need tons of plastic insulation… I’m truly shocked at the lack of education of these climate people. Also when has the world ever had perfect sunny days for years on end?
Obviously they do not.
Fear for them if you’ve ever driven or ridden in DC.
BTW how many protests are taking place in east DC…at night….near the liquor stores?
ResourceGuy: “BTW how many protests are taking place in east DC…at night….near the liquor stores?”
Good point, RG. None of the protesters seem to have the courage of their convictions.
OTOH, most of the people they had tied up in traffic were probably oxygen-wasting paper pushers whose job it is to make life miserable for the gainfully employed, tax paying citizens. They can’t do that sitting in traffic. So I guess we should be grateful for the small blessings that came out of the protests.
Didn’t even notice them.
Send in Greta to point out the CO2 in the air.
So, it looks as if +99.9% of DC residents were not manning the barricades …
I know, it cracks me up when the liberal media reports thousands demonstrated….
…and 7 1/2 billion didn’t
I must have missed it. Did they not note the large amount of littering that the protesters left behind? So much for taking care of their environment..
What do we call them?
Climate Loons!
When do we want them arrested?
Now!
Henceforth Extinction Rebellion should be renamed Extinction Rabble. Including pitiful Greta.
The collective brains cells may just register on my left hand.
The addition of Solar Particle Forcing is glorious and the fact is the timing couldn’t be better. Please, I hope more of these useful idiots come out to the public so they can have their stupidity held over them for years to come when the CO2 Cult is finally upended.
What’s the going daily rate for paid climate street protesting? It needs to double for hazard pay in DC streets.
STUNNING hypocrisy…they all use fossil fuels every day!! WTF!!!
It’s good to be young and insane.