Unequivocal Equivocation – an open letter to Dr. Trenberth

This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.

UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony

UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”


Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:

Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].

Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.

The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.

In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.

As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.

The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.

But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.

The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.

Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007)  (PDF, 3.7 MB):

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).

Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.

Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …

And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):

unequivocal: adjective:  admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)

Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.

For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.

I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs)  go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?

Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.

In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.

Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.

So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …

So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.

Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.

First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?

(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)

But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.

If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …

(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)

Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.

This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.

And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.

Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.

And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?

Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.

You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:

•  Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,

How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter.  We are not close to balancing the energy budget.  The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!  It is a travesty!

SOURCE: email 1255550975

Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?

At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.

•  Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.

•  Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.

•  Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.

•  Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.

•  Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?

Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.

His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.

•  Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.

•  Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.

•  Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.

•  STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.

•  Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.

•  Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?

If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.

Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?

Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.

That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.

But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:

In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.

Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved.  So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric.  Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.

SOURCE: email 1177158252

Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …

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Jim D
January 16, 2011 3:16 pm

Urederra, I agree. Because you prove the null hypothesis is false, it doesn’t automatically prove that every alternate hypothesis (here AGW) is true unless it is expressed in a very general way such as “human activity contributes to global climate”, which is merely the negative of the null hypothesis. It doesn’t say how much, or even how it contributes, and leaves a lot of scope for variations.

Marlene Anderson
January 16, 2011 3:33 pm

Outstanding critique and commentary by Willis.
I’ve noted the online newspapers have far fewer pro-AGW supporters making comments than what there was a couple years ago. Either they’ve decided to stay silent or there are fewer of them. But the true believers – well, no expectation of logic or evidence to the contrary making any headway there.

JPeden
January 16, 2011 3:38 pm

HAS:
No, the debate is about whether a scientist tries to falsify “man made CO2 causes the majority of global warming” (Dr T’s suggestion) or falsify “man made CO2 doesn’t”. neither are logically impossible to do, and in my view both are worthy of study.
In short, Trenberth and Climate Science should take your advice and do both, because up to now they’ve done neither.
Trenberth’s Climate Science hasn’t tried to falsify its own hypothesis, “man made CO2 causes the majority of global warming,” which it preferrably should have done before presenting anything to the scientific community, according to scientific principles and the demands of objective or “critical” thinking; but it didn’t need to do that itself, if Climate Science had also adhered to the scientific method and its principles by making its data and methods easily accessable to anyone else who wanted to try to falsify its work or shoot holes in it, confirm it, etc., but which it didn’t do!
Therefore, Climate Science is not doing real, scientific method, science! Whereas, since Climate Science is not doing real science to try to substantiate its own hypothesis, it’s certainly not up to anyone else to do it in its stead, concerning CS’s own CO2CAGW hypotheses.
At the same time, making the rest of science falsify the hypothesis that “man made CO2 is not causing the majority of global warming” is an irrelevant task because, 1] the necesssary null hypothesis involved indicates that there is no need to invoke a new explanation for warming, or for anything else having to do with the climate, because there is nothing new to explain!
And, related to 1, 2] it is Climate Science which is on a mission to prove that fossil fuel CO2 is causing [harmful] warming, so it is especially Climate Science which needs to prove that claim by “falsifying” your second hypothesis, if it can, which it apparently can’t; which in turn is why Trenberth wants to make everyone else falsify his and Climate Science’s main hypothesis above when they not only wouldn’t do it themselves but have also resolutely tried to keep everybody else from doing!
Trenberth and ipcc Climate Science have only managed to prove beyond any doubt that they are not doing real science, and that they really don’t care about the validity of their own hypotheses. According to his last move, Trenberth isn’t going to change that anytime soon.

GP
January 16, 2011 3:52 pm

It will never happen but ….
The big problem with any attempt to get some form of ‘closure’ about the null hypothesis from either angle (or ‘side’ if you prefer) is that the likely time scale for any substantive to appear, either way, is much longer than a human life endures. Or more accurately – much longer than the proposers of the ideas are likely to live even if they make the proposals at the beginnings of their careers. (I am assuming here that despite the apparently rapidly increase life expectancy figures not many adults influencing decision making right now will be alive in 100 years from now.)
What would be interesting is toi ask the proponents of the arguments to make a bet. Their lifetime wealth (minus basic living costs) would be the stake. The result to be declared at some far future point capped at 100 years from now.
If their forecasts are unproven by that point the money is returned to them or their estate.
If by that time or earlier they have been proven correct and it can indeed be shown that mankind has caused ‘substantive and damaging’ (careful definitions required here) by the actions of the past 50 years and forwards from now then they win and get double their money returned.
If by that time or earlier they have been shown to be incorrect the stake is forfeit.
Of course for most if not all involved an early proof or disproof would be necessary if they wanted to benefit from the challange. But those more concerned for their children and grandchildren might be happy to let things run at a slower pace.
Obviously I am missing out details here but I’m sure people will get the general concept of the idea.
So, would people take in the bet?
What if the ‘bet’ was a requirement for anyone wishing to make pronouncements on the subject or make policy recommendations. Would there be any takers then?
Given the enormity of the potential effects on societal developments over the coming century it seems only reasonable to expect influencers to share some part of the risk.

HAS
January 16, 2011 3:53 pm

Richard S Courtney says January 16, 2011 at 2:22 pm
One last go, but I think we’re using up bandwidth here that won’t be of interest to others.
“In the case of AGW, according to that definition, the important point is that the ‘contrary hypothesis’ (n.b. NOT the null hypothesis) is ‘usually that the observations are the result of a real effect’.
“So, according to the definitions you present, an assumption that AGW is a real effect is an example of a contrary hypothesis to the null hypothesis.”

If I’m testing the null that AGW causes >50% of the recent warming, then the alternate could be that something else is causing >50% of the recent warming. The contrary hypothesis is then asserting “that the observations are the result of a real effect” – namely something like UHI corrupting the instruments, long-term cycles in the climate etc.
Just in passing I noted your comment “Your attacks on the scientific method and your misrepresentation of the evidence which you cite are reprehensible.”
In respect of the first all I can say is I didn’t set out to attack the scientific method, just to help better explain it. As to the second point you misunderstood what I was saying. I used a figure of speech “have a look at a statistical reference or two” and then gave one example. Confusing on my part, perhaps, but “reprehensible”?

JPeden
January 16, 2011 4:03 pm

Smokey:
This site allows, and even encourages contrary comments. The down side is that casual readers are often being given wrong information. I think that’s really the intent of the handful of warmist repeat commentators. They make quite a few false assertions, and if they’re not corrected, readers who are less familiar with the topic can be led down the garden path.
Right! Once you understand that ipcc Climate Science is nothing but a Propaganda Op., it’s easy to see the “value” of the nonsense propagated by warmist “trolls” here and elsewhere – who are dubbed so because of their resolute ignorance and desire to repeat really stupid memes as though they are related to rational or scientific considerations, hoping they’ll stick, and in fact as a substitute for such considerations; but, on the upside, this tactic does reveal their truely malign intent.

R. Gates
January 16, 2011 4:06 pm

Willis said:
“R. Gates, do you truly think that adding more and more forcings and UHI calcs to a model in which “the potential energy of water vapor/condensate is neglected”, a model that doesn’t stay in balance by itself but has to be “tuned” to stay in balance, will give us better and better answers?
Because I’ve been programming computers for forty-eight years now, I’m very fluent in half a dozen computer languages and literate in another half dozen. In my experience, until the basics of the climate (or any other) model are right, adding more forcings and UHI effects is just like nickel-plating a squirt-gun. It looks solid and real, and you can certainly use it to terrorize the citizenry … but that doesn’t make it into a real pistol.”
_____
That was honestly brilliant. Really.
But to the point: Which specifc GCM are you saying does not take into account the potential energy of water vapor/condensate? Certainly CESM. 1.0 does (through the Community Atmosphere Model), and you so might want to have a look at this document, beginning on page 15:
http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/models/cesm1.0/cam/docs/description/cam5_desc.pdf
To see all the variables of just the CAM 5.0 portion of CESM 1.0, it is fun to look through this reference of variable names: (click on the variable name to reveal what it is for):
http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/cgi-bin/eaton/namelist/nldef2html-cam5
CESM 1.0 is far from perfect, and there will be a CESM 2.0, 3.0, etc. but each iteration represents an advancement of the science, and of course CESM 1.0 is only one of many models.

HAS
January 16, 2011 4:24 pm

Willis Eschenbach says January 16, 2011 at 3:56 pm
You’d be more accurate basing it on the Scottish Verdict.
“Not proven until proven guilty”. Applies to both sides.

Stephen Wilde
January 16, 2011 4:27 pm

Putting my legal hat on I’d just like to memtion that the reversal of the normal burden of proof has been getting all pervasive in the UK over the past 10 years or so.
Not in connection with criminal law but in connection with bureaucratic administration.
Purely for the convenience of our masters in the public ‘service’ it is now generally the case that if something untoward happens then the assumption is that one behaved incorrectly, inappropriately or did not take enough care to prevent it.
One then has to go through a huge number of hoops to ‘prove’ that the observed outcome was not the result of some sort of reprehensible bewhaviour.
Unfortunately whatever evidence is produced the bureaucrats can always still say that something could or should have been done differently or better so the whole process is a charade and a penalty is almost always imposed.
The fashion for reversing the burden of proof is becoming widespread in many of our so called democracies and I am unsurprised that AGW proponents see it as a useful strategy.

JJB MKI
January 16, 2011 4:32 pm

Moderator, thank you for toning down my previous comment (should think before firing off comments in frustration), and apologies for the inappropriate language. Eadler, my apologies too. I could have made my point without resorting to sarcasm or insult. I have respect for AGW proponents who comment here knowing that their thoughts will face a level of scrutiny not seen on blogs like RC. A one-sided debate is meaningless, and you guys at least help keep things interesting!

Jim D
January 16, 2011 4:38 pm

Richard S Courtney
Clearly you thought I was addressing Trenberth’s ‘new’ null hypothesis when I stated I was talking about his and the IPCC’s working null hypothesis that humans have had no influence on climate change. If this is falsified, as I point out it almost certainly is, it can no longer serve as a null hypothesis, which is what motivated Trenberth to suggest a new one. I don’t have an opinion on what a new null hypothesis should be, except that it should be specific enough to be falsifiable. It would advance science if it could be a statement that distinguishes AGW that can be tested by observations.
Your statement is “the null hypothesis is that in the absence of evidence of a change then it has to be assumed there has been no change.” This is subtly different in that it does not mention human influences or define change from what. Assuming you meant only natural variations, how about a half-degree global rise with no concomitant solar variation, which is unprecedented. Does that count as change? Maybe a one-degree rise would do instead? The former has happened, and the latter is about to. Unfortunately your statement is vague enough that it is too easy to move the goalposts unless you formulated an objective view of what was natural before the measurements were in.

Beth Cooper
January 16, 2011 4:43 pm

For Drs Trenberth, Jones and Mann. (To be sung to the tune if ‘Lock up your daughters’ from the undistinguished musicale of that name.)
Archive your data,
Start doing it now,
Archive your data,
Steve Mc will show you how.
Release your data,
Hot spots, bristlecones and all,
Release your data,
Without evidence
Your theory must fall.
Thanx Willis.

Buzz Belleville
January 16, 2011 4:44 pm

Mr. Eschenbach — I didn’t apologize for, or qualify, anything I said. Your posting is intellectually dishonest. I’m not sure what other kind of “dishonest” you think I could possibly mean. I have no indication that you’ve stolen from anyone or been unfaithful. I wasn’t accusing you of stealing or cheating. I was suggesting that — in your logical fallacies, in your misleading implications as to what the IPCC said, and in your misrepresentation of recent temp trends — you were being dishonest. If I said that we’re in an el nino right now, and that’s the reason for the warm autumn, that would be dishonest, because it doesn’t accurately reflect the facts. You were dishonest. And I explained precisely how.
The rest of your response is just pathetically sophomoric. I come to contrarian sites to engage folks with different views. That’s how discussion and intellectual growth works. My rhetoric is quite tame compared to yours.
Think about this whole thread. You spent a few thousand words hyperventilating over a single sentence by one person taken out of context and without even attempting to challenge the ultimate conclusion Trenberth was making. Talk about a strawman. To get to Trenberth’s real point — what would have to happen for the burden of proof to switch to the skeptics in your view? If we had, say, a prolonged solar minimum at a time when the Milankovich cycles were all trending cool and towards NH ice growth, and all known atmospheric and oceanic cycles were ‘cool’ or ‘negative,’ and there was no natural GHG release or any variating in volcanic patterns … if all those factors were present, but it was still getting warmer at historically significant rates and to historically significant levels (and CO2 was still rising at historically significiant rates to historically significant levels), and the warmer temps were causing historically significant sea ice and glacial loss and historically significant sea level rise and historically significant ag zone shifts and historically significant ocean acidification and loss of ocean life and historically significant exterminations and historically significant weather events that caused historically significant destruction and loss of life … and knowing as we do that CO2 and CH4 are in fact GHGs that trap reflective energy … if ALL of those things were present (and I’m not saying they are), wouldn’t the burden at that point shift to folks urging inaction to explain why all these things are not attributable to human activities and/or why it is better to continue on business-as-usual paths? At some point, the burden has to shift, right? When, in your mind, does that happen?
It’s time for a grown up conversation, sir.

January 16, 2011 5:08 pm

Ah. Now it’s “intellectually” dishonest.
Backing and filling.

savethesharks
January 16, 2011 5:10 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
“It’s like an endless film loop of some bizarro “Tony” awards for climate models, with everyone congratulating each other and saying “You look faabulous, you haven’t changed a bit” and gushing about how they loved the other person’s last climate model and boring speeches about how “I don’t feel I really deserve this prize, and I’d like to thank the funding agencies and mom and dad, and God for making the climate, and thanks to my co-modellers …”
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******* hysterical, Willis! Repeated here for effect.
Chris

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 5:12 pm

Richard S Courtney says:
January 16, 2011 at 3:15 pm
You have been right on the money. I think you have to give up on the guy you are responding to.

savethesharks
January 16, 2011 5:17 pm

Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
“I come to contrarian sites to engage folks with different views.”
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Engage? ENGAGE?
More like disengage.
You may want to pick up a little book entitled “How to Win Friends and Influence People”.
But in the meantime, it is quite obvious that you just can’t stand the fact that Eisenbach ripped Trenberth a royal new one…and came pretty damn close to doing the same to you.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 5:20 pm

Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
This post is way beyond the pale. You might as well have written “If pigs were horses then beggars would ride.” You seem to think that because you can imagine the burden of proof shifting then it should shift. I heartily recommend that Anthony ban you.

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 5:26 pm

Willis Eschenbach writes:
“Report back with your findings, I’m interested. Because all I can find is modelers patting each other on the back and telling each other how much progress has been made. It’s like an endless film loop of some bizarro “Tony” awards for climate models, with everyone congratulating each other and saying “You look faabulous, you haven’t changed a bit” and gushing about how they loved the other person’s last climate model and boring speeches about how “I don’t feel I really deserve this prize, and I’d like to thank the funding agencies and mom and dad, and God for making the climate, and thanks to my co-modellers …”
I saw this coming about twenty-five years ago. I attended graduation for a film school and learned that every student got an Oscar.

Jimash
January 16, 2011 5:44 pm

Street view:
“There will be inexorable warming”
“It won’t snow”
“Nighttime temps and daily lows will be higher” ( I watch. They are not)
“There will be drought”
” It will be oppressively hot in the summer and will not cool off at night ”
“The WestSide highway will be flooded ” ( from the rising Hudson River)
etc.
All wrongified
The predictions of this false science have failed.
You cannot tell me that CO2 is the “dominant” climatological factor and that the Sun ( for just one) is “constant and unchanging” and then blame the failure of the Earth’s climate top keep pace with the predictions set forth for the rising CO2 on the Sun’s failure to remain constant, which you said in great detail was not a factor to be considered. It just doesn’t play anymore.
People can tell if they are hot or cold.
So… when Richard Courtney says :
“The null hypothesis of climate behaviour would be disproved if some change to climate behaviour were observed to not be explicable as being similar to previous climate. Then – and only then – would the null hypothesis of climate behaviour be disproved.”,
I am buying.
I may be undereducated but I am not incredibly stupid. Only mildly stupid.
The entire house of cards is a con game, a scientific four-flush, a naked bluff, which inspired certain political ideas that were previously discredited to be resuscitated, creating a feedback loop to the third rate science that inspired the the reawakening of the zombie political positions.
And what do we get ? Bad lightbulbs and worse legislation and professors of fantasy law pretending to know fantasy climate science.
Cheez and crackers, it just makes me mad,
Rant off.
PS, Good SNL riff Willis.
PPS if my post is too low brow, Anthony, chuck it. I will not cry.

Merovign
January 16, 2011 6:15 pm

Buzz, dozens of people in this conversation are pointing out that you are the dishonest (and rude) one. Sometimes, when you’re outnumbered, it’s because you’re wrong.
As a side note, a lot of people aren’t going to read past your second post, because a lot of people (like me) do not tolerate passive-aggressive game playing like yours. You DO NOT get a pass for opening your part in the conversation with hostility and insults, and then coming back to complain that people are being mean to you. I do not tolerate that behavior (which is a form of a LIE) in small children, I don’t know why I should tolerate it from law professors.
You should have learned, as a very small child, that if you are going to give, you should be ready to get.
It is indeed time for a grown up conversation, for which you have demonstrated with aplomb that you are not equipped, the graceless hostility of your response to criticism matches the graceless hostility of your introduction.

JPeden
January 16, 2011 6:26 pm

Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
To get to Trenberth’s real point — what would have to happen for the burden of proof to switch to the skeptics in your view?
Buzz, you’ve got this backwards. Were Climate Science to finally start doing real, scientific method and principle, science, which by its very nature is sceptical* to the hilt, the sceptics would largely be onboard with the science, whatever that indicated.
Therefore, it is Climate Science that in fact has to get on board with the sceptics and their completely consonant adherence to the scientifc method’s scepticism, not the sceptics who have to let an operation which is not real science frame the scientific issues!
*Seriously, have you ever noticed the built-in scepticism of the scientific method and its principles? If so, instead of bugging the sceptics, why haven’t you ever urged Climate Science to start using it?

Merovign
January 16, 2011 6:35 pm

I didn’t count to get that “dozens.” I denounce myself.

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