This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.
UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony
UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:
Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].
Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.
The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.
In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.
As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.
The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.
But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.
The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.
Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007) (PDF, 3.7 MB):
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).
Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.
Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …
And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):
unequivocal: adjective: admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)
Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.
For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.
I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs) go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?
Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.
In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.
Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.
So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …
So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.
Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.
First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?
(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)
But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.
If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …
(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)
Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.
This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.
And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.
Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.
And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?
Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.
You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:
• Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
SOURCE: email 1255550975
Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?
At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.
• Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.
• Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.
• Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.
• Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.
• Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?
• Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.
His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.
• Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.
• Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.
• Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.
• STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.
• Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.
• Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?
If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.
Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?
Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.
That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.
But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:
In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.
Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved. So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric. Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.
SOURCE: email 1177158252
Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …
w.

Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Damn, I generously offered you a third try, and instead of mending your ways, you’ve come back to repeat your insult a third time.
I repeat, sir, that I am not dishonest, neither intellectually nor any other way. I may be wrong, no doubt about that, I have been many times. But I am an honest man, a species with which, since you are a lawyer, you may not have much experience. So here’s some more clues for your social education. Honest men and women are a strange and prickly breed, and we won’t tolerate some random slimy little internet snake proclaiming that we are dishonest.
Now you may think that’s crazy, but bro’, this is my thread and my house. I warned you twice. I told you to treat it like a foreign country, where if you make a mistake because of ignorance of local custom, you apologize and move on. I told you that local custom is to not insult the host, and I made it clear that your first attempts had been very insulting to the host.
But noooooo, you are like one of those nasty little dogs that bites peoples ankles because that’s all he knows how to do. And all you seem to know how to do is insist that your stupid, self-destructive, prat-fall entry into this thread was in reality a beautiful swan dive, and that you were right to call me dishonest because you meant intellectually dishonest … don’t you even notice how that is working for you? Because it ain’t …
I can’t figure out if you are really that nasty, or if you are just totally clueless. Before, I was voting the straight clueless ticket. But since beating you severely about the head and shoulders with a clue-by-four didn’t even get you to at least fake having social skills, I’m now going with nasty all the way.
And since your preferred (and indeed insisted upon) manner of opening a polite conversation seems to be insults, let me accomodate you by saying that your manner is unpleasant, your presence is unwelcome, your very thoughts emanate palpable noxious fumes, the mere mention of your name causes houseplants to wilt, and your mothers footwear is more appropriate for a war zone. Or as the man said, “I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.”
Or in case that was too complex, let me just say, go away, little man. Your presence is both unwanted and unpleasant.
Clear enough for you? You have totally blown a generously offered third chance to act like an adult. Your ideas will receive no hearing from me at all. Don’t like it? Here’s how to fix it.
NEXT TIME, BE POLITE.
But please, please don’t try out your new-found politeness here. We’ve already seen who you are, feigned politeness won’t impress us at this point. You’ve burned all your bridges and sank all your ships on this thread, my friend. Goodbye, and next time, as the song says, try a little tenderness …
w.
I saw this in someone else’s post, and couldn’t resist:
We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen, I have often said there are no dumb questions, but Buzz has proven me wrong.
Buzz, that’s is exactly like saying “what would have to happen for the burden of proof to switch from “innocent until proven guilty” to “guilty until proven innocent”.
When you can answer what would have to happen for us to take up “guilty until proven innocent”, then you’ll know what would have to happen to reverse the null hypothesis.
As long as there is real justice, it will be innocent until proven guilty.
And as long as there is real science, humans will remain innocent of altering the climate until YOU can prove different. The burden of proof is on YOU to show something is un-natural or anomalous, and it always will be, so get used to it and stop trying to wriggle out from under, it’s unseemly if nothing else.
I thought you were a lawyer, surely that can’t be too hard a concept? If you want to claim that things are not like people always thought they were, YOU have to establish that fact.
Why do I bother …
Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
…if…
Well, yeah, if pigs could fly we’d be having BBQ pork wings at Kentucky Fried Swine, too.
(grin – wave’s at Buzz)
Willis, Buzz’ persistent mendacity put me in mind of Peter Cook’s remark about the famously voracious defamation lawyer, Peter Carter-Ruck:
“The man’s a proven lawyer!”
But then I remembered this little ignoramus doesn’t even practice law, he only “teaches” it.
As with most Believers, talking null hypothesis with them is ultimately a waste of time – they simply – don’t – understand – it.
I am seriously toying with the idea of printing this report and stapling it anonymously and under the cover of darkness around the halls of my institution (connected with the IPCC’s “nobel prize”…I want the folks at Stony Brook to read it.
Willis asks, “Why do I bother …”
Because no matter how long we have been in this kind of forum (and I’ve been around since the newsgroups of the ’80s and ’90s), and no matter how much we have been told, and told others, “don’t feed the trolls”, we remain human and some environments are just too target-rich to resist.
I must have missed too many comments. Buzz is a lawyer????
Buzz Belleville says: January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
To get to Trenberth’s real point — what would have to happen for the burden of proof to switch to the skeptics in your view?
—————————————————————————————Buzz this question was clearly dealt with in the original post. It is not reasonable to switch the burden of proof. Why are you persisting with this?
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Then you go on to say:-
The rest of your response is just pathetically sophomoric. I come to contrarian sites to engage folks with different views. That’s how discussion and intellectual growth works. My rhetoric is quite tame compared to yours.
I put it to you Buzz that it is you who is being pathetically sophomoric, pedantic, overbearing and decidedly pompous.
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if ALL of those things were present (and I’m not saying they are), wouldn’t the burden at that point shift to folks urging inaction to explain why all these things are not attributable to human activities and/or why it is better to continue on business-as-usual paths? At some point, the burden has to shift, right? When, in your mind, does that happen?
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Buzz I understand that you teach for a living. It seems to me from what you write above that you have difficulty in expressing your ideas (if in fact that is what they are) in clear English. This is a very jumbled and incoherent statement. I would not send my children to your classes.
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Then you conclude with this gem.
It’s time for a grown up conversation, sir.
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This seems a bit rich Buzz. It seems to me that in these terms, you haven’t got out of the crib let alone begin a discussion.
Douglas
Willis wrote;
“As long as there is real justice, it will be innocent until proven guilty.”
Willis, I fear that is something else that many would like to change even in the more pleasant political climates (if there are such a things) around the world.
Here in the UK we see a lot of ‘ticket issuing’ that used not to be the case where guilt is first presumed and any attempt to refute the implied charge is likely to be so expensive and unlikely to succeed that most people give in an pay up. (Unless they are already operating outside the law.)
Of course these things can build up when not expected to and start to cause enough personal ‘harm’ that the original fiscal decision proves to be a poor choice in the end. These things are allowed to continue since there seems to be a general deterioration in the accepted moralities by which society survives. “Anything goes if I can get away with it” becomes “Anything goes if gets our message across” and a steady drip of little additional conditioning events will make the ‘don’t mess with us, don’t question us’ message more readily accepted just to keep life simple. Or so people think.
I could well imagine that soon our ‘western’ countries will notice that there has been a fiscal and legal tipping point which is irreversible in all but the long term – if then. I have no idea where that might lead but I suspect the Buzz may in fact be right about his students needing to understand about the matters he teaches no matter how pointless to human existence they may prove to be.
Leaving aside the classmates who adopt an activist stance, one way or another, because they thought they were cgoing into law to do some moral good, the rest will presumably be focused on making a living and will take on any fee paying task that comes their way. Providing Buzz’s teaching is sound and his classes balanced in terms of people’s world viewpoints, we might hope that his students focus primarily on Law rather than political advocacy.
Will the net result be amenable? Who knows? Much of law seems to be about winning ‘cases’ in any way possible. I guess the result, whatever it may be, will be more fiscally derived than morally derived. Money will speak. But will it be Corporate money, ‘government’ tax money or ‘the masses’ with a lack of money and little to lose that speaks loudest?
SABR Matt says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:12 pm
I have no problem with that. I learned two things a while back. One was the best way to get my ideas out there was to toss them onto the electronic winds without any attachments of ownership or copyright.
The other was that I could accomplish just about anything if I didn’t care who got credit for it …
So by all means, spread them far and wide.
w.
GP says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Sad but true, which is why we have to fight these kinds of insidious movements wherever they crop up.
Thanks,
w.
Oh, I guess I’ll add my observations to Buzz’s comments this AM. Some of my comments come with a background of reading Willis’ comments and meeting him at the ICCC in Chicago. He’s one of the most useful people here.
I’ve trimmed a lot of your post, I hope the remaining pieces haven’t lost too much context.
Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 6:31 am
> Mr. Eschenbach I’m sorry you find my comments so distasteful.
> My comment: What a dishonest posting.
That colors your entire comment. Looking back at it, it’s not as “bad” as I recall, though all of your statements suggest you haven’t been here much for related discussions. I don’t have time to go into details about each, but I’ll try to pick a few.
One of the things about Willis is that he has no patience for people who call him dishonest, dismiss the effort he puts into his posts, or are generally incivil. He tends to respond in kind. You’ll do a lot better if you ask him questions to go into more detail. However, like Willis said, “You’ve poisoned your own well.” There are enough people here Willis to discuss issues, he doen’t need you.
In the 1990s people were quick to point out record warm years. When things began leveling off or cooling, as in 2008, they said “Oh a year is too short, you need the 30 year climate period.” Last year they talked up how the decade of the 00’s was the hottest on record. This year back in August they started hyping “This is the warmest year on record” even though the year had months more to go. I have very little patience for that sort of argument. Sure 1998 and 2010 were hot years (0.6°C being hot), but they were El Niño years. Sure the last 30 have been warming, it fits Akasofu’s hypothesis that a 60 year plus recovery from the Little Ice Age fits very nicely. If we’re to follow that, then we should be near a crest and temperature will gradually fall for the next 30 years. And the last decade should be the warmest in the record. If solar effects affect the climate then things will be more “interesting.”
Actually, I do have a lot of tolerance for shorter-than 30 year records. If the solar cycle does have an impact on climate, then 30 year records will mask that. Shorter term records are important to see Enso effects and even some of the sudden state changes such as those in the Atlantic tropical storm activity.
Personally, I like to point out the forest debris being uncovered by the recent glacial retreat – some 7,000 years ago there were mature forests in places that are now glaciated. I have trouble getting excited over short term trends. If they tracked CO2 levels better, perhaps I might, but they don’t, so something else has to be happening.
You mention GISS – Anthony abandoned their monthly reports some time last year. The manipulation they do of the historical record is quite appalling. The NCDC invited Anthony there to try to convince him that their manipulations were reasonable.
The time I’ve spent playing with trend data has proven to me that it’s a cherry picker’s delight. FWIW, the last 10 years of HADCRUT data shows essentially a flat trend, -0.0025 per year, see
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2000.92/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2000.92/trend
I’m sure I could find other decadal plots showing arming or cooling. Noisy data makes it tough to find meaningful trends.
I did. I even believed it, with a bit of skepticism. It was Joe D’Aleo’s graphs showing temperature follows the PDO or better, the PDO+AMO much better than it does CO2 that convinced me the science isn’t nearly as settled as I had been led to believe.
I assume that’s from the Naomi Oreskes work. I’m more interested in what we’re learning than what we believed. (BTW, include Science News along with Time and Newsweek. Their article provoked a lot of discussion between my father and me about what to look for.)
This is a good place to hang out and learn. There is a lot of noise, a lot of “me too’s”, a lot of “it’s only a trace gas” but overall all sides do get represented here and that makes this blog unique.
R. Gates says: January 16, 2011 at 4:06 pm
“CESM 1.0 is far from perfect, and there will be a CESM 2.0, 3.0, etc. but each iteration represents an advancement of the science, and of course CESM 1.0 is only one of many models.”
Forget perfect, lets talk about the fundamental shortcomings in CESM that I pointed out above. If CESM represents the state of art in climate prediction, then I am unimpressed. I would like to hear your thoughts on the issues I raised about CESM above. Why would you avoid a reasoned critique of CESM? I thought you were 25ish% skeptic…
In terms of your prior assertion that, “the best thing is these models are always being refined as the science advances.”
Per this article from November 29th, 2008 in Nature titled, “North Atlantic cold-water sink returns to life – Convective mixing resumes after a decade due to massive loss of Arctic ice.”;
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/081129/full/news.2008.1262.html
and this article from January 9, 2009 from, the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution;
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=54347
which states that “One of the “pumps” that helps drive the ocean’s global circulation suddenly switched on again last winter for the first time this decade. The finding surprised scientists who had been wondering if global warming was inhibiting the pump and did not foresee any indications that it would turn back on.
The “pump” in question is in the western North Atlantic Ocean, where pools of cold, dense water form in winter and sink beneath less-dense warmer waters. The sinking water feeds into the lower limb of a global system of currents often described as the Great Ocean Conveyor (View animation (Quicktime)). To replace the down-flowing water, warm surface waters from the tropics are pulled northward along the Conveyor’s upper limb.”
it appears that in 2008 a North Atlantic cold-water sink, one of the pumps for the Thermohaline Circulation, became active after a period of dormancy. R. Gates can you provide documentation of a single GCM that has taken this occurrence into account?
Correction from my earlier post, Buzz, where I said that you “could not stand the fact that Eisenbach ripped Trenberth a royal new one and came very close to doing the same to you.”
I was incorrect.
He just ripped about three “new ones” right through you if not more. And you deserved every one.
Do you have any mid-section left? LOL
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
I believe the Goracle, Dr T and all his coconspirators should be tried for fraud, convicted and exiled to St Lawerence Island to await the coming warming in cool comfort.
For those of you who don’t know, the island is located between Alaska and Siberia in the Bering Strait.
Buzz Belleville says January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
”To get to Trenberth’s real point — what would have to happen for the burden of proof to switch to the skeptics in your view?”
I don’t think this is the real point of Dr T’s paper. It variously defends against climategate; deals to the deniers; has the media as part of the problem, but wants them as part of the solution; exhorts scientists to stand their ground and be less circumspect; accuses most politicians of not being competent to do their jobs; and offers solutions that range over population polices, less uncertainty (but not to the extent that natural variability can no longer be used to generate good media), and to use the media to tell the right story.
In other words a veritable romp and polemic well worthy of the hustings. The bit about the burden of proof is just a small morsel. But it is the bit that tells us about how good he is as a scientist, the bit we would have expected him to get right.
Basically the section is mush.
Dr T starts off with a reasonable exposition of the null hypothesis that “man made influence on the climate is limited”, and the Type 1 errors (null incorrectly rejected) and Type 2 errors (null incorrectly accepted) that might arise.
He then asserts that climate science is making too many Type 2 errors (i.e. failing to reject “limited man made influence” when it should). This is consistent with his belief system but his evidence is only that the null is getting the benefit of all the pesky natural variation hiding what is really going on.
If he’s a practicing scientist then he should know that failure to reject the null adds nothing to the null. It is just the hypothesis to be nullified.
He then takes the curious step of saying by inverting the null hypothesis we will make all that natural variation count for the AGW hypothesis. Let’s see about that.
It’s worth quoting him at this stage and picking our way through it:
”Such a null hypothesis [AGW is true] is trickier because one has to hypothesize something specific, such as “precipitation has increased by 5%” and then prove that it hasn’t. Because of large natural variability, the first approach results in an outcome suggesting that it is appropriate to conclude that there is no increase in precipitation by human influences, although the correct interpretation is that there is simply not enough evidence (not a long enough time series). However, the second approach also concludes that one cannot say there is not a 5% increase in precipitation.”
It isn’t immediately apparent why the It isn’t immediately apparent why the “AGW is true” null is trickier than the “AGW is false” null, and it’s a bit unclear what he is really proposing to test here. But lets assuming he is testing on the believers side “less than 5% increase in precipitation due to human influences” as the alternate. With the burden of proof on the sceptic’s side this becomes “ greater than 5% increases in precipitation due to human influences”.
Now assume that the data isn’t up to attributing the cause of increased precipitation, which seems to be what Dr T is assuming. We therefore cannot reject either null.
Dr T tells us that if the sceptics have the burden of proof it is appropriate to conclude “no increase in precipitation by human influences”. Again he is mistakenly implying that not being able to reject the null adds credence to it. It is inappropriate to conclude anything of the sort.
He then says if the believers have the burden of proof we still conclude no increase in precipitation by human influences, but also we can “conclude that one cannot say there is not a 5% increase in precipitation”. He’s completely wrong. He hasn’t even thought through the obvious point that because the null has changed so has what might have been rejected. Sloppy thinking. No instinct feel for the subject matter here.
In fact all that can be concluded from the testing of H null “AGW true”, is we have been unable to falsify “less than 5% increase in precipitation due to human influences”; and on H null “AGW false” we have been unable to falsify “greater than 5% increases in precipitation due to human influences”.
Nothing startlingly different between the two approaches, and no magical transfer of natural variation from the sceptic’s side to the believers.
Now let me recap. This is a presentation to the AMS. A call to action to scientists. A rip roaring slap around of the quality of the opposing forces, particularly around their ability to do science.
But at the heart of it the talk simply confirms the critics are right.
Buzz Belleville says:
January 16, 2011 at 4:44 pm
“To get to Trenberth’s real point — what would have to happen for the burden of proof to switch to the skeptics in your view? If we had, say, a prolonged solar minimum at a time when the Milankovich cycles were all trending cool and towards NH ice growth, and all known atmospheric and oceanic cycles were ‘cool’ or ‘negative,’ and there was no natural GHG release or any variating in volcanic patterns … if all those factors were present, but it was still getting warmer at historically significant rates and to historically significant levels (and CO2 was still rising at historically significiant rates to historically significant levels), and the warmer temps were causing historically significant sea ice and glacial loss and historically significant sea level rise and historically significant ag zone shifts and historically significant ocean acidification and loss of ocean life and historically significant exterminations and historically significant weather events that caused historically significant destruction and loss of life … and knowing as we do that CO2 and CH4 are in fact GHGs that trap reflective energy … if ALL of those things were present (and I’m not saying they are), wouldn’t the burden at that point shift to folks urging inaction to explain why all these things are not attributable to human activities and/or why it is better to continue on business-as-usual paths? At some point, the burden has to shift, right? When, in your mind, does that happen?
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My Dearest Buzz,
Consider the following:
1. Temperature rate rises that occur during periods when there was no CO2 increase to speak of and greater than when temperatures were claimed to be “accelerating” by the IPCC
2. CO2 rising but temperatures falling and stabilising since 1995 (No significant statistical rise since then – Dr Phil Jones)
3. Computer models with CO2 forcing generating scary scenarios that lack validation or fail to predict measured temperatures and measurements that fail to show heating up of the troposphere predicted by the models.
4. The same computer models that cannot simulate the Mediaeval Warm period outside of a calibration run.
5. The same computer models that have created the myth and ‘tongue-in-cheek’ estimate that it is “90% certain” that CO2 is causing “global warming”
6. CO2 rising but Antarctic ice at record levels during 2010
7. Recent flood events that are of less intensity than during periods when CO2 increase was virtually non-existent
8. Droughts of equal intensity that have occurred during historical periods well before any significant increase in CO2
9. Cooling from 1940 to 1975 when CO2 was increasing
10. “Acidification” being nothing but a slight decrease in alkalinity and shown to have no affect on sea life and in some cases being beneficial.
11. Hurricanes and storms that have decreased in intensity over the last half Century.
12. The 2010 mean yearly temperature in Central England that is 256th on the scale of “warmest” since recording began in 1659 and THE SAME as the temperature recorded in 1659 when there was a ‘Little Ice Age’. Ditto for the US with cold temperatures including other parts of world at below average temperatures.
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I could go on but
If ALL of those things were present (and I’m saying THEY ARE and are evident if you check), wouldn’t the burden at that point remain with those folks urging action, to explain how and why all these things are attributable to human activities and why it is best not to continue on business-as-usual paths? The burden of prove remains Dear Sir with you and Mr Trenberth. When, in your mind, and KT’s does that happen?
What Buzz duzz when nobody’s looking:
http://www.asl.edu/uploads/files/NRJClegg.pdf
I’m willing to quote myself to make a point:
“Any scientist that is also not a skeptic is also not a scientist”. Buzz is no skeptic.
There’s a latin term for Trenberth’s argument: a priori. AGW exists because it does, because we have a name for it, and because I, Dr. Trenberth have decided that it is now the null hypothesis. Nifty.
Am I the only one who finds this whole Willis vs Buzz argument a bit ridiculous? Far from a reasonable reaction to a blog posting remark… Sad thing is… It will probably be buzz who gets banned… Willis, you were much more rude to buzz than he ever was to you… Totally uncalled for and should have been moderated… Im betting, from the evidence I’ve seen around here, that a warmer would have never been able to get that carried away…
Bravo! A masterpiece!
Thank you, thank you, thank you… Willis Eschenbach and Mr. Watts. This is the best summary of the state of the Climate Debate that exists on the WWW.
Bookmark and forward.
Willis write the book! Watts, your work may very well be considered by future historians as the website that “saved the planet” from a multi-trillion dollar voodoo cure far more apocalyptic than any climate evolution. Ironic, no?
@HAS your last post was dense but rewarding, like a chocolate mudcake. I am a nonscientist, but what you say seems ineluctably true, and in its own way as good a riposte to KT’s folly as WE’s – which is saying something.
Would you agree with my growing belief that a large cohort of scientists simply misunderstand the null hypothesis, and that climate science is largely founded on persistent disregard of it?
[we don’t encourage this kind of thing ~ ctm]
Just the Facts says:
“It appears that in 2008 a North Atlantic cold-water sink, one of the pumps for the Thermohaline Circulation, became active after a period of dormancy. R. Gates can you provide documentation of a single GCM that has taken this occurrence into account?”
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Would take a bit research, but in general, if the cause is unknown, there would be nothing to add to the model. Models are based on known physcial relationships with specific hypotheses tested by altering variables. Please give a reference for this event you’re referring to.
Also in respect to my being a 75% “warmist” and 25% skeptic–yes, I feel that generally AGW likely happening and thus in general AGW theory is correct– anthropengic GHG’s can alter the climate. Every day I also spend time looking at other conjectures and alternative hypotheses to explain the range of effects that AGW Theory can account for. From solar to longer term ocean cycles and even geomagnetic cycles– they all are interesting, but none of them has yet risen to the level of a full-blow theory to rival AGW. If I didn’t retain my skeptical side, I wouldn’t spend any time with them at all…
Buzz,
It seems that you have confused the burden of proof with the burden of going forward. The latter can shift; the former, never.