Unequivocal Equivocation – an open letter to Dr. Trenberth

This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.

UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony

UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”


Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:

Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].

Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.

The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.

In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.

As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.

The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.

But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.

The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.

Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007)  (PDF, 3.7 MB):

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).

Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.

Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …

And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):

unequivocal: adjective:  admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)

Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.

For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.

I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs)  go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?

Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.

In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.

Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.

So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …

So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.

Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.

First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?

(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)

But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.

If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …

(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)

Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.

This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.

And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.

Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.

And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?

Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.

You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:

•  Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,

How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter.  We are not close to balancing the energy budget.  The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!  It is a travesty!

SOURCE: email 1255550975

Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?

At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.

•  Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.

•  Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.

•  Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.

•  Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.

•  Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?

Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.

His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.

•  Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.

•  Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.

•  Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.

•  STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.

•  Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.

•  Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?

If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.

Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?

Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.

That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.

But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:

In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.

Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved.  So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric.  Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.

SOURCE: email 1177158252

Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …

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Julian in Wales
January 16, 2011 10:12 am

Very simply the trust is gone
1. They failed t be open aboput how they reached their conclusions.
2. They failed to get rid of their bad apples (Pachauri, Jones, Mann)
3. They over hyped their conclusions.
I am intersted in thsi sentence “it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.”
Are they? I have a bad feeling other scientists are mostly failing to get involved and failing to take a proper interest. I think this point has been eloquently made by Hal Lewis?
I do worry that the science community as a whole are going to take the wrap for what they have allowed to happen. If I were a scientist I would be standing up and shouting at them (the AGW cheats). I know many on this forum do just that, but my gut feeling is that most are not.

January 16, 2011 10:23 am

Willis said:
>However, were I in his shoes, I’d much prefer that people assumed I was Dr. Evil than >have them think I was Dr. Stupid Who Tries Really Hard [my bold].
Got it in one, Willis….

JPeden
January 16, 2011 10:34 am

izen:
Whether climate change is ‘Natural’ or manmade the attribution of a cause relies on a hypothesis that invokes physical processes. Looking only at the change in temperature is incapable of providing an explanation for that data.
Climate Models using CO2 as at least a necessary driver simply haven’t been successful in making correct predictions compared to the null or “natural” state. In fact some of these predictions are even the direct opposite of what then happens in the [still] natural world.
That’s why Climate Science is now saying that “weather” is “climate” and that whatever it decides is “anthropogenic climate disruption”, is “anthropogenic climate disruption” – and, of course, that we’re all gonna die if we don’t commit suicide first, or become enslaved, before it’s too late!
But, izen, are you now really saying that GMT doesn’t even track any “physical processes”? It sounds like you are saying that Models using physical processes – CO2 “ghg” physics and whatever else the modellers decide to enter in – generate Model data which the GMT doesn’t have to reflect anymore, to either tend to verify or falsify the Model’s “physical processes”.
In which case the CO2CAGWarming hypothesis itself has no bearing on “climate”, “climate change”, or “climate disruption”! Unless, of course, its “warming” works in very very very “mysterious ways” – perhaps knowable only by the faithful and the Post Normal Science Gurus?
Imo, that’s were you’ve gotten yourself, izen.

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 10:36 am

Kev-in-Uk says:
January 16, 2011 at 8:11 am
You fail to address the court of scientific method.

Billy Liar
January 16, 2011 10:41 am

Die Zauberflotist says:
January 15, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Where’s your umlaut gone?

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 10:50 am

Buzz Belleville writes to Willis:
“Second, you accuse me of a lack of civility for questioning the posting’s intellectual honesty. In your post, you patronize me like a child (“use your indoor voice and play nicely with the other children, there’s a good boy”), called what I said “dumb,” name-call (“Buzzbrain,” “Buzz Lightyear,” “Buzzard”), and accused me of ignorance (“do your homework,” “stay awake,” “try to keep up,” etc.). I may be substantively incorrect, sir (most posters on this board agree with you, while other boards would mock your “analysis” mercilessly), but any objective analysis of our two comments would grade yours much lower on the civility scale.”
Buzz, the problem is not that you are substantively incorrect. The problem is that you are foundationally incorrect. You do not provide any evidence that you have a clue as to what scientific method is, but you provide much evidence to the contrary. Can you state the basic tenets of scientific method? I will give you some hints. You need to use the words or phrases ‘hypothesis’, ‘scientific explanation’, ‘phenomena to be explained’, ‘prediction’, ‘reasonably confirmed hypotheses’, ‘falsified hypotheses’, and a few more that I can explain in context when you make your submission. If you use the words or phrases ‘model’, ‘model fit to data’, ‘fit of average model runs to data’, and a few more, you will have proved that you are just drinking the koolaid and not at all serious. That is what you sound like to me.
Had I not been informed otherwise by another WUWT commenter, I would have treated your comments as parody. When someone makes comments about something that he clearly does not understand, the comments are not parody, demands respect for his comments, and puts down those who accurately criticize his comments as being not only out of the ballpark but out of the region, then he is being uncivil. Recognize that you are in way over your head.

Anything is possible
January 16, 2011 10:53 am

Jim D says:
January 16, 2011 at 8:55 am
“CO2 accounts for 20% of the greenhouse effect. Adding 40% more CO2 means humans have increased the greenhouse effect by between 1 and 2% even without feedbacks. Given this, the null hypothesis that humans have had no effect on climate is already scientifically untenable. What remains of it is a merely statistical exercise for the signal to emerge from the noise, which it clearly has, but that leaves many still in denial. Examine the 0.5 degree warming and try to explain it entirely with the ocean and sun. It doesn’t work, plain and simple.”
_____________________________________________________________
You are simply plucking numbers out of your nether regions.
Nobody can say with any certainty what proportion of the greenhouse effect is caused by CO2. This question is stumping the world’s best scientists, yet you seem to have figured it out all by yourself.
And NOTHING in climate science is “plain and simple”. Anybody who thinks otherwise is only going to make themselves look incredibly foolish whenever they express an opinion on the subject.

Jimash
January 16, 2011 11:08 am

Cheez Buzz,
Why don’t you just give up the pretense and call your class “Killing business in the US for a fatalistic pipedream born of nihilism, through legal interpretations of scientific mistakes and misrepresentations of statistics” ?

Billy Liar
January 16, 2011 11:12 am

davidmhoffer says:
January 15, 2011 at 11:56 pm
The multi-model averaging serves to filter out biases
of individual models and only retains errors that are generally
pervasive. There is some evidence that the multi-model mean
fi eld is often in better agreement with observations than any of the
fi elds simulated by the individual models (see Section 8.3.1.1.2),
which supports continued reliance on a diversity of modelling
approaches in projecting future climate change

I love that paragraph! It describes the real ‘magic’ of climate modelling. Take the results of several incorrect models and average them to get a ‘better’ result.
Now that’s what I call magic!

Kev-in-Uk
January 16, 2011 11:14 am

Magnus says:
January 16, 2011 at 7:19 am
Yeah, just read it, another good piece
My only complaint -I was a little perturbed by his suggestion of public scientific illiteracy in the first para. It is unfair to blame the public for the MSM and dogmatic mantra presented to them in respect of AGW. If the scientifically literate folk here and elsewhere cannot get hold of the ‘real’ data and ‘real’ science easily how the flip is Joe Public gonna do that? Those of us who are not medical doctors – go to a doctor when we are ill and have no real choice but to trust his judgement. Climate scientists (well, a few Team members, anyway) have set themselves up as the leading consultants with clear ‘controlling’ of reporting (including witholding data of course!) and thus it is unfair to consider the public illiterate in this regard.
Those of us that are fortunate to have an education and a science background can ‘see the light’ – but there are many clever intelligent ordinary Joes doing their own jobs who simply cannot dig and delve like most of us on this site! It is these folk that need the real bottom line descriptions of the science so they can form honest opinions instead of being bullied by MSM BS (as released by the Team!)

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 11:16 am

Mike Jowsey says:
January 15, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Thank You!

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 11:27 am

Willis quotes Nick:
“All this because he expects you guys to do some real work by following the scientific process.”
My God, man, science is the critical enterprise that has no peer. Most of the work in science is critical work. The fundamental duty of scientists who offer hypotheses is to provide all their work to the community so that others may attempt to replicate it. All of what is learned in those attempts is offered as criticism of the original work. Sometimes the original work cannot be replicated and falls to the wayside. Sometimes parts of it can be replicated but the work of replication itself becomes more interesting than the original work. See, all of that amounts to criticism of the original work.

Kev-in-Uk
January 16, 2011 11:28 am

Theo Goodwin says:
January 16, 2011 at 10:36 am
Of course – that was kind of the intention of my point – AGW has been pushed into our lives by the MSM as a ‘given’ and the ‘court’ (i.e us – the public) are being forced to view it and make a judgement. [granted, not necessarily the folk on here, but Joe Public in general, I mean]
Hence, if Joe Public reads say, 10 MSM articles promoting AGW and none rebutting AGW – his mind is going to go with the pro-AGW stance? (let’s just assume that most are not scientists with a scientifically enquiring mind!)
In my opinion, they (the warmistas and politicos, etc) have deliberately misdirected the ‘court’.
I wouldn’t like to say when the scientific method actually ‘died’ wrt mainstream climate science, but based on the climategate emails, it seems likely to have been some considerable time ago!

Leigh E
January 16, 2011 11:31 am

A prosecution arguing for a shift to guilty until proven innocent sounds like a prosecution in real trouble.

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 11:35 am

davidmhoffer says:
January 15, 2011 at 11:56 pm
“The multi-model averaging serves to filter out biases
of individual models and only retains errors that are generally
pervasive. There is some evidence that the multi-model mean
fi eld is often in better agreement with observations than any of the
fi elds simulated by the individual models (see Section 8.3.1.1.2),
which supports continued reliance on a diversity of modelling
approaches in projecting future climate change”
Notice, too, that it also treats all models as plain old collections of mathematical equations. If any two of the models actually contained hypotheses that address the same physical phenomena, we could ask if the two sets of hypotheses are logical contraries and, if so, which of the two is true. Try averaging that. The modelers are clueless about such points, as they are clueless about all of scientific method.

john ryan
January 16, 2011 11:38 am

shouldn’t the actions of humans be considered “natural” ?

Richard S Courtney
January 16, 2011 11:38 am

HAS:
Your post at January 16, 2011 at 1:24 am is a disgraceful attack on science.
You assert:
“And remember one persons null can be another’s alternate.”
No! Absolutely not! That is a falsehood!
As I said to you in my post to you at January 16, 2011 at 12:07 am
“A scientist has to work within the scientific method. He/she does not have the luxury of changing the method because of any personal desire. And part of the scientific method is an acceptance of the nature and importance of the null hypothesis in any investigation.
The null hypothesis is that in the absence of evidence of a change then it has to be assumed there has been no change.
So, in the case of AGW, it has to be assumed that climate behaviour has not changed from previous climate behaviour unless and until there is evidence that climate behaviour has changed.
There can be no compromise with this.”
That is true. And no scientist would dispute it.
Any attempt to assert that “one person’s null can be another’s alternate” is an assertion that enlightenment thought should be abandoned.
YOUR ASSERTION IS WRONG.
Richard

Jim D
January 16, 2011 11:50 am

In response to “Anything is possible”,
I don’t expect many people here to be reading the latest science papers, but 20% comes from the JGR paper by Schmidt et al. in 2010. This being the latest refinement of estimates going back to the 1980’s. The 1990 IPCC report said 25% by a different measure.
The sun hasn’t strengthened since the 1940’s, and the ocean somehow everywhere has warmed above average, which seems hard to explain with PDO and AMO redistributions. Is the cold water hiding beneath ready to come back, or is it crazy to think the extra CO2 warmed the surface instead as would be completely explained by AGW? Discounting AGW puts you in a tight spot trying to make the observations fit, which is why the null hypothesis is hanging by a statistical thread, yet so many cling to it.

Theo Goodwin
January 16, 2011 12:10 pm

Kev-in-Uk says:
January 16, 2011 at 11:28 am
Theo Goodwin says:
January 16, 2011 at 10:36 am
“I wouldn’t like to say when the scientific method actually ‘died’ wrt mainstream climate science, but based on the climategate emails, it seems likely to have been some considerable time ago!”
Yes, and this is a new phenomenon for our political system. Will we rise to the challenge? There is never a dull moment.

January 16, 2011 12:19 pm

Robb 876
Cute comeback on the “boobs aplenty” remark. I laughed………….but on a more serious note, I hereby completely deny using the “projection” construct in my original post or any subsequent posts contained herein.

Steve Keohane
January 16, 2011 12:27 pm

Buzz Belleville says: January 16, 2011 at 6:31 am What wasn’t understood was what forcing agent would be dominant in subsequent years.
Who would have guessed it would be fudging the numbers?

Billy Liar
January 16, 2011 12:33 pm

Jim D says:
January 16, 2011 at 11:50 am
What about the other greenhouse gas?

netdr2
January 16, 2011 12:45 pm

Jim D,
Apparently you haven’t been reading the most recent science papers, especially the missing heat discussion, have you ?
You are incorrect about the ocean temperatures. They have gone down since 2005 and so have the atmosphere temperatures, except for an El Nino blip in early 2010 This is impossible under standard CAGW theory.
The sun’s irradiance has increased a lot since records have been kept. 1880 or so was the end of the little ice age. The increased warmth would according to Dr Hansen and his minions been amplified by water vapor 3 to 6 times over a period covering hundreds of years. It is continuing even today.
Positive feedback would work on all warming, not just CO2 warming, wouldn’t it?
The warming from 1978 to 1998 can easily be explained by an excess of El Nino’s vs La Nina’s
I pulled the chart below into excel and graphed it. The results were amazing.
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml
From 1950 [the start] there were more La Nina’s than El Nino’s and it cooled. [Not surprising]
From 1978 to 1998 there were more El Nino’s and it warmed. Also not surprising, and no CO2 is needed.
From 1998 to present there have been years with more of each and temperatures have gone essentially sideways. How do the alarmists explain the lack of warming ?

Richard S Courtney
January 16, 2011 12:48 pm

Jim D:
You make a good try at justifying nonsense at January 16, 2011 at 11:50 am where you write:
“The sun hasn’t strengthened since the 1940′s, and the ocean somehow everywhere has warmed above average, which seems hard to explain with PDO and AMO redistributions. Is the cold water hiding beneath ready to come back, or is it crazy to think the extra CO2 warmed the surface instead as would be completely explained by AGW? Discounting AGW puts you in a tight spot trying to make the observations fit, which is why the null hypothesis is hanging by a statistical thread, yet so many cling to it.”
Please note that the inability of you or anybody else to “fit” known explanations for climate behaviour to observed climate behaviour merely proves you do not know the causes of climate behaviour. That inability has no relevance of any kind to consideration of the null hypothesis of climate behaviour. And what can or cannot be “completely explained” by anything has no relevance to the null hypothesis.
As I and others have repeatedly explained above, the null hypothesis is that in the absence of evidence of a change then it has to be assumed there has been no change.
So, it has to be assumed that climate behaviour has not changed from previous climate behaviour unless and until there is evidence that climate behaviour has changed.
The null hypothesis of climate behaviour would be disproved if some change to climate behaviour were observed to not be explicable as being similar to previous climate. Then – and only then – would the null hypothesis of climate behaviour be disproved.
Therefore, unless and until the null hypothesis is disproved, the governing assumption of climate behaviour is that it and its causes have not changed (i.e. they continue to be natural variation). And, importantly, there is no scientific need for AGW – or any other hypothesis – to explain a phenomenon of altered climate behaviour which is not observed to exist.
Richard

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