Donald Trump and UKIP's Nigel Farage, source Breitbart. Then UKIP leader Nigel Farage was the only British leader to wholeheartedly support the Trump campaign. Farage travelled to the USA and spoke on Trump's behalf during the election campaign.

DeSmog: Climate Denier Nigel Farage Took Money from Big Oil, to Campaign for Cheaper Energy

Essay by Eric Worrall

Is DeSmog trying to provide reasons for ordinary Britons to vote for Farage?

Nigel Farage’s Reform Party Has Accepted £2.3 Million from Fossil Fuel Interests, Climate Deniers, and Polluters Since 2019 Election

The anti-net zero party has been bankrolled by oil and gas investors, aviation entrepreneurs, and those who reject climate science.

By Adam Barnett and Sam Bright
on Jun 4, 2024 @ 04:35 PDT

Reform UK has received more than £2.3 million from oil and gas interests, highly polluting industries, and climate science deniers since December 2019, amounting to 92 percent of the party’s donations. 

In the past 12 months, Reform has received £200,000 from First Corporate Consultants. The firm is owned by Terence Mordaunt, a director and former chair of the Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF), the UK’s leading climate science denial group. 

“No political party should be taking any money from fossil fuel interests whatsoever,” Caroline Lucas, until recently the Green Party MP for Brighton Pavilion, told DeSmog. 

Speaking on GB News in August 2021, Farage said that he was “very much an environmentalist” and that he couldn’t “abide things like plastics in our seas, pollution in our rivers.” However, on the issue of climate change, he added: “What annoys me though, is this complete obsession with carbon dioxide almost to the exclusion of everything else, the alarmism that comes with it, based on dodgy predictions and science.

“The deniers are those who continually gaslight the public into thinking you can stop these powerful natural forces. We must use the energy under our feet, rather than send our money and jobs abroad.

Read more: https://www.desmog.com/2024/06/04/nigel-farage-reform-uk-party-2-3-million-fossil-fuel-interests-climate-deniers-polluters-since-2019-election/

Imagine using anything former Green MP Caroline Lucas has to say as your yardstick for appropriate political conduct, after her censure for misuse of public resources for political fundraising.

DeSmog’s inference Farage is dancing to the tune of fossil fuel interests is absurd. It’s the other way around. Business people increasingly support Farage because they think Britain is being run by innumerate fools, who are leading the nation to ruin, and are clinging to the hope Farage will bring a return to Thatcher era economic sanity.

Anyone who ever met Nigel Farage in person knows straight away that Farage is not someone who compromises his principles.

I once had the privilege of a 20 minute one on one conversation with Nigel Farage. At the time Farage was campaigning hard in the leadup to a London Assembly election. I told him straight out I was leaving Britain, so there was no political advantage to be gained by talking to me. This was before I started writing for WUWT, so other than a few letters to the editor I didn’t have any public profile. But he found what I was saying interesting, so he hung out with me for 20 minutes and talked about politics. Farage is that kind of guy – human being first, politician a distant second.

DeSmog painting fossil fuel interests as universally unscrupulous and greedy is equally ridiculous.

Take Caudrilla Energy. Caudrilla CEO Francis Egan has been trying since 2007 to get a permit to extract the 6.5 billion cubic feet of frackable gas sitting under Lancashire.

Can you imagine hanging in there for 17 years with your business on hold, in the hope that one of the useless bureaucrats and politicians who infest Whitehall will find the guts to sign a piece of paper? Egan is not a young man, he’s near retirement age – he could die of old age before he gets that permit.

Does anyone seriously believe Egan slogged it out for 17 years, campaigning tirelessly to bring affordable energy to the British people, because he’s a greedy fossil fuel entrepreneur? He could easily have taken his skills and experience somewhere they would be appreciated, rather than waiting 17 years for a day which might never come.

Can you imagine how much lower heating bills would be, if some of those billions of cubic feet of natural gas were pushed into Lancashire’s gas network? People might actually be able to turn on their home heating without checking their bank balance first. I’m sure Egan can imagine this, and that this vision of a Britain where energy is affordable is what keeps Egan going – no other explanation makes sense.

DeSmog Blog also pushes the absurd claim that renewable energy is affordable.

People might have once fallen for the cheap renewable falsehood, but even with the far left government funded BBC in the green corner, the days when people in Britain took everything greens say at face value went up in flames along with their retirement savings, after prices went crazy following the Russian gas embargo.

If Caudrilla had been allowed to ramp up to full production a decade ago, if Britain was fully energy independent thanks to abundant supplies from local fracking, the Russian gas embargo would have had no impact on domestic British energy prices.

Farage’s Reform UK is the party with a rational plan to make Britain great again, by using fossil fuel windfall revenues to lower everyone elses taxes, and by flooding Britain’s gas network with affordable British energy, rather than exposing Britain to the uncertainties and high prices of the global energy market. No other mainstream British political party has a credible plan for achieving this. Perhaps we should thank DeSmog Blog for helping to publicise why a vote for Reform is a vote for lower home heating bills and better job prospects.


Update (EW): A lot of discussion on this article is about whether I should have pictured Farage next to a “convicted felon”. Judge Merchan has just sent a letter to trial participants which suggests at least one juror in the Trump hush money case might have been breaking the rules and acting in bad faith. This week could see some interesting developments.

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June 6, 2024 10:24 am

Anyone who starts an argument with the past sell-by date, juvenile, and plain fkn stupid nonsensical phrase “climate denier” has already lost any argument with anyone with intelligence, scientific training or both before it begins.

Why do they keep doing it? They want to keep some appeal to global morons?

Sean Galbally
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 6, 2024 10:32 am

Could not agree more

Reply to  philincalifornia
June 6, 2024 10:43 am

There is no shortage of morons to appeal to, is there?

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
June 7, 2024 3:58 am

God must love morons because He made so many!

Mr David Guy-Johnson
June 6, 2024 10:25 am

Desmog is the number 1 comedy site on the internet

Reply to  Mr David Guy-Johnson
June 6, 2024 12:20 pm

NASA discovered desmogging is the the chief cause of global warming. Well, actually the second biggest cause: number one was the pushing down of the 20th century all-time late 1930s to mid 40s temperature highstand by 1.5°C!! The highstand was still the same until Hansen did this egregious adjustment in 2007 on the eve of is retirement- Father of Global warming indeed!

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Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 6, 2024 1:55 pm

The unthinking bought into the ‘arguments’ that US only makes up a few percent of the globe and they even reduced more temperatures than they augmented. Both these things are correct, but the objective was to change the major evidence debunking the CO2 T° Control Knob in response to sceptics pointing this out. Pushing down the record high that occurred before the rise of CO2 had much effect, and in doing so, eradicating much of the 40yrs of cooling during which CO2 was rising rapidly!

Proof that the US temp graph was much more broadly representative of global T is evident by inspection. Canada, Greenland, Scandinavia, Russia …. let’s look at South Africa. Here is Capetown’s very familiar pattern:

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Note also that it goes to 2011 and still doesn’t beat the 1930s record!

By holus bolus butchering of the US record, they found themselves having to burn the midnight oil to butcher the temp records of the world! Here’s NASA’s cripple of the Capetown graph -sheesh they must have been in a rush!

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Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 6, 2024 2:10 pm

and just to highlight the issue, and show that the AGW scammers had no reason to adjust Cape Town….

The adjustment is tantamount to pure fraud, not even justified by the fakery of homogenisation.

1940s-South-African-temps
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 5:23 am

“The adjustment is tantamount to pure fraud, not even justified by the fakery of homogenisation.”

I think so, too.

The problem for the temperature data manipulators is they didn’t erase the unmodified temperature record, after bastardization, so we still have the evidence that the data manipulators are committing fraud with their bogus “hotter and hotter and hotter” temperature records, which don’t exist in the unmodified, historic temperature records. The evidence of the crime still exists.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 7, 2024 5:34 am

Good example.

The unmodified chart shows a spread of about 2.0C between the warmest temperatures in the 1930’s and the coolest temperatures in the 1970’s, which is very similar to the U.S. regional chart.

The bastardized chart shows a spread of about 0.4C from the 1930’s to the 1970’s. That is a 1.5C difference between the unmodified chart and the modified chart.

In the 1970’s, some climate scientists were ringing the alarm bell and claiming another Ice Age might be in the offing.

Climate scientists would not have been exercised over a 0.4C cooling as is shown in the bogus Hockey Stick charts. They *would* have been exercised over a 2.0C cooling after four decades.

This alone, imo, shows that the bogus, bastardized Hockey Stick charts are just that: Bogus. They are a Big Lie created to promote the human-caused climate change narrative. They don’t represent reality. The reality is, there is no unprecedented warming today. It was just as warm in the recent past in the instrument record. Which means CO2 is a minor player in the Earth’s atmosphere, and is not what is driving the Earth’s climate.

Climate alarmists don’t want us thinking this way, so they created a science fiction Hockey Stick temperature chart to scare the ignorant.

Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 10:34 am

What does “Climate Denier” mean? This phrase is only used by those who do not understand the nonsense spouted by the mainstream.

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 10:46 am

“Climate Denier” is a disparaging term. It tries to put climate skeptics on the same level as vile “Holocaust Deniers.”

But tell me, with support for Holocaust Deniers (Hamas) now being mainstream, is climate denier the same insult it once was intended to be?

Martin Brumby
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
June 6, 2024 6:54 pm

Note that Jim Hansen, keen to underline the “denier” insult, also referred to coal trains as “death trains” and thermal power stations as “death factories”.

What a piece of work.

Interesting also that DeSmog forgot to mention that BigWind Billionaire Dale Vince just gave a £5 Million bung to the Labour Party.

DeSmog Blog makes the even The Grauniad look sensible.

another ian
Reply to  Martin Brumby
June 7, 2024 1:45 am

I guess that Hansen doesn’t rate it progress that coal trains are now referred to as “EV Fuel”

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 10:51 am

It means you have been found guilty of heresy by the Climate Tribunal and should be silenced or disbelieved on all accounts.

The Climate Cabal will not tolerate any wrong speak.

purple entity
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 6, 2024 11:39 am

Censorship is the last refuge of insecure cowards who realize they’re losing the battle of ideas.

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 2:04 pm

For homework, dig out the raw temperature graphs for Paraguay and Ecuador They, too corroborate the pre-adjusted US record. Paul Homewood had these on his blog some time ago.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 6, 2024 2:38 pm

Would love to see those graphs if possible, please 🙂

I must have missed them.

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 2:36 pm

If someone calls me a “denier” they better be able to prove, with solid scientific evidence, the thing they say I deny.

And they can’t.

May as well say we “deny” the story of the Goldilocks, or the Big Bad Wolf….. or the Easter Bunny.

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 4:10 pm

From the people that gave you the equally meaningless “carbon pollution” and “climate emissions”.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
June 7, 2024 10:33 am

“carbon pollution”

To this day, I am still trying to wrap my head around the idea that all life on Earth (including we humans) is based on a pollutant. I guess saying “CO2 pollution” is a little too absurd and contrary to sound CO2 science for the climate scare mongers to get away with…and they probably know it.

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 8:24 pm

Many many years ago I asked my then GF what was meant by the term ‘male chauvinist pig’.
There was a pause while she considered her choice of words carefully..
“Its what a woman calls a man when she isn’t getting her own way as much as she wants”…

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 6, 2024 11:53 pm

It’s the same ignorant people who refer to carbon when they really mean carbon dioxide. Mostly down to a lack of a scientific education.

June 6, 2024 10:43 am

Net-Zero policies in the UK, Western Europe, the US and elsewhere are funding Putin’s war and Iran’s proxy wars. Farage should campaign on that.

Ed Zuiderwijk
June 6, 2024 10:47 am

DeSmog are imposters. They are not interested in truth finding, only in blackening the name of anyone they disagree with. Just professional querulants with a nihilistic agenda.

Russell Cook
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 6, 2024 1:05 pm

A little background here, for folks to have a better comprehension of who the topic – “Desmog” – actually is. Enviros routinely denigrate any CAGW skeptic who cites places like WUWT, Tony Heller’s RealClimateScience, Judith Curry’s Climate Etc — “Those are just blogs!” This is acutely ironic if those same enviros cite Desmog as a source of climate information. Desmog’s original name was Desmogblog. It’s primary co-founder, Canadian PR man James Hoggan, stated unequivocally in a 2014 video presentation that he knew nothing about climate science, but upon reading a book back in 2005 by Ross Gelbspan which accused skeptic climate scientists of industry-paid, he decided to utilize the new internet sensation of “blogs” to expose skeptic scientists for the ‘liars‘ they were. No exaggeration, he made both of those statements within a sentence of each other. The other co-founder, routinely never identified as such, was Ross Gelbspan, who made that declaration starting at the 8 second point of this audio interview. Gelbspan’s second career arose out of accusing Drs S Fred Singer, Patrick Mchaels, and Robert Balling of essentially being paid huge dollar amounts by the fossil fuel industry to “reposition global warming as theory” even though they knew CAGW was settled science fact. Dr Singer told me many years ago he would have sued Gelbspan for libel if he could afford it, and pointed out back in 1997 that Gelbspan was committing resumé fraud in the process of hurling false accusations at him; Dr Michaels told the story of the ‘amusing scene’ that happened when he first personally encountered Gelbspan. I detail all of that and more at my blog (perish the thought!) GelbspanFiles.

Desmogblog is a propaganda website, designed from its inception to impugn the integrity of anybody who questions CAGW.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Russell Cook
June 6, 2024 2:08 pm

Thank you for that enlightening background. Beyond shakey.

Russell Cook
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 2:57 pm

I do all I can. Just sent my above WUWT comment directly to Mr Farage via the contact info at his website and got a nice auto-reply that

…. any piece of information deemed urgent will be prioritised and sent to his attention and to the attention of GB news. Nigel reads all his emails and replies as quickly as he can.

Somebody having more influence than me needs to expose Desmogblog for what it is.

Reply to  Russell Cook
June 7, 2024 5:48 am

Desmogblog is a propaganda website, designed from its inception to impugn the integrity of anybody who questions CAGW”

That’s the bottom line.

Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 6, 2024 2:47 pm

Being picked by DeSmog means you are almost certainly a rational thinking person with scientific realism as your guide.

A badge of honour !! 🙂

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 12:29 am

Judith Curry once said that if you have a DeSmog entry you have made it. Because it proves you are a real scientist.

Russell Cook
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 7, 2024 10:28 am

Or, if a person is not a real scientist, having a Desmogblog profile indicates those mobsters minimally believe what you say needs to be suppressed by any means possible, largely through character assassination. I wear my badge with honor, and I debunked their profile of me point-by-point back in 2017.

https://www.desmog.com/russell-cook/

Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 10:48 am

The Desmog smear means they fear Farage and Reform have political momentum. By all appearances, they seem to have it.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 11:04 am

Two opinion polls today have put Reform just 2 points behind the Tories on 17% vs 19%….

Editor
Reply to  ThinkingScientist
June 6, 2024 4:02 pm

If Reform can pick up the Red Wall, things will get interesting. They won’t beat Starmer at this late stage, but they could wipe out the Tories. The damage done by PMs Carrie Johnson[sic] and Rishi Sunak is immense.

Neil Lock
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 4:01 pm

As campaign manager for my local Reform candidate (who is up against chancellor Jeremy Hunt), I am putting every muscle in my metaphorical shoulder into maintaining and increasing that momentum. I don’t trust pollsters, but I’m pretty sure that they have this one right.

Scarecrow Repair
June 6, 2024 10:48 am

What are we to make of the thousands, possibly millions, of climate alarmunists who are funded by the Greenies?

I know, I know, it’s different when you’re right.

Martin Brumby
Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
June 6, 2024 7:01 pm

Greenies subsidise only themselves. But Uniparty politicians hugely subsidise Greenies and Ruinable Energy companies by stealing from taxpayers and energy users and by printing more money.

Walter Sobchak
June 6, 2024 11:41 am

I just read that the Reform is close to passing the Tories in the polls. They probably won’t win but they may kill the Tories who are worthless tools of the permanent bureaucracy.

Neil Lock
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
June 6, 2024 4:05 pm

Right on all counts.

strativarius
June 6, 2024 11:44 am

At least Lucas has gone.

That’s a bonus

June 6, 2024 11:47 am

I’m a little confused here.

Who were they expecting to find financially supporting Farage’s party?

Are they saying that the party advocating for responsible use of fossil fuels should be supported by climate alarmists? That would be a bit ironic wouldn’t it?

Are they going to start donating to his party so they can stop relying on those evil oil companies to continue their work?

SteveZ56
June 6, 2024 12:03 pm

People have been demonizing large oil and gas corporations since the days of John D. Rockefeller and the near-monopoly of Standard Oil in the late 19th century, but those days are long gone. The fossil-fuel industry today is extremely competitive, and the largest company Exxon-Mobil only controls about 3% of world oil reserves. No corporation can gain a monopoly with a 3% (or less) market share!

But if fossil-fuel companies are supporting Nigel Farage (or Donald Trump), who can blame them? They want what’s best for their industry, which is to sell fuels at a relatively low price, without excessive government restrictions. They have to compete with foreign producers, some of which are nationalized (run and subsidized by the government), such as in Mexico, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria, to name a few.

A political candidate who says “Elect me and your energy bills will drop by X%, and groceries will be cheaper because it will cost less to ship them from the farm to market” just might attract a few votes from people being squeezed by rising prices. They might not care if Big Oil gets rich, if they’re not getting poorer!

Reply to  SteveZ56
June 7, 2024 6:01 am

“A political candidate who says “Elect me and your energy bills will drop”

Trump said that yesterday.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 7, 2024 9:03 am

Possible, but not instantaneously.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 7, 2024 9:50 am

but the converse is instantaneous.

‘Elect me and energy costs will necessarily skyrocket. Elect me a 4th time and your energy costs will immediately/instantaneously increase.’

Simon
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 9, 2024 10:25 pm

Well he says he is going to end the Ukraine war day one.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  SteveZ56
June 7, 2024 9:02 am

“Everyone know competition is a good thing.”
I disagree based on economics, but that is for another day.

The point? If wind and solar are so good, let them compete with gas and coal on a level playing field.

Simon
June 6, 2024 12:43 pm

Now that Farage is running again, I bet he is not so keen to be pictured with a convicted felon.

Simon
Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 6, 2024 1:58 pm

A proven liar who he hired (he has a history of hiring criminals it seems, Banon the latest)… But come on Eric, they didn’t need Cohen’s word, they had the docs and it all the ducks lined up. Anyway we could debate this but one thing is certain. Trump is now a convicted felon and short of him winning an appeal (which is possible) that is how he will be for the rest of his life.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:01 pm

They had nothing.
A non-disclosure agreement is a legal document and the costs associated with it are legal expenses. It happens hundreds of times a day all over the country.
It was an invented case supported by nothing other than the word of a self confessed liar.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  MarkW
June 6, 2024 2:19 pm

See my rather extensive legal analysis of this invented lawfare case just posted below in response to rather nasty Simon. Three strong grounds for reversal on appeal.
Biased trial Judge Marchan made three big easy reversal legal mistakes:

  1. Letting Stormy testify when she wasn’t material.
  2. Mis-instructing the jury on unanimity, when that requirement had been clearly settled by SCOTUS in 1999.
  3. Allowing the prosecutions three written alternate theories of the ‘underlying crime’ to evade expired SoL, none of which hold water in NY state court.
Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 9:16 am

34 counts is bogus. It should have been 2 or 1 or none.

Adding to your point 1: There was not proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the tryst even happened. S. Daniels profession makes her quite skilled in story telling. Prior to the trial she denied anything happened 3 times.

9 of the 12 checks were drafted against personal bank accounts and are not business records.

Generally accepted accounting practices (GAAP). The invoice says “retainer” and that is carried forward. To do otherwise is falsification. Both the CPA and the accountant testified they received no instructions, so they processed everything via GAAP.

Checks are not business records. What is written in the comment is not legally binding in any sense. Checks only facilitate the financial transaction.

The ledger is merely documentation of the transfer and uses the invoice verbiage.

Only 2 of the 11 invoices were processed via business accounts (supporting the maximum of 2 counts).

A retainer can be verbal. Any contract can be verbal. Verbal contracts have a rough time standing up in court as in he said he said contests. If the retainer was illegal, the count wo0uld be 1. Cohen testified there was no retainer, but submitted into evidence was a March 2017 email were Cohen was asking for status of his $35K payment “according to the retainer agreement.”

Adding to your point 2, the prosecution did not define the crime that caused the misdemeanor to elevate to felony.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:47 pm

Thanks to these politically concocted trials, Trump is a shoo-in for the presidency (I can understand and forgive some partisan excesses, but stupidity and cupidity, no!). The jurists involved don’t know it yet, but the election process is also a countdown to the end of their careers. The bright side is that, although you Simon, don’t know it, you need rescuing and Trump will save you and millions like you, too.

Simon
Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 6, 2024 5:55 pm

The jurists involved don’t know it yet, but the election process is also a countdown to the end of their careers. “
What does that even mean? You think they are going to lose their jobs?

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 7:14 pm

True, they probably didn’t have careers or jobs..

… just left-wing lay-abouts off the streets… or from the public service swamp.

Just like you.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 9:19 am

I would not disparage the jurists. It is beneath you.
They were constrained by the jury instructions.
They were not allowed to question witnesses.
They, in my opinion, did the best they could with the tools provided.
They came to the wrong conclusion, in my opinion.

MarkW
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 7, 2024 2:26 pm

The amount of time between the case being handed to the jury and the jury returning it’s verdicts was enough time to vote for a foreman, and to then vote on each of the 34 counts.
There was no time for any deliberation. The “jurists” had their minds made up before the first witness was called.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 1:44 pm

“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
Beria

Simon
Reply to  robaustin
June 6, 2024 1:59 pm

“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
Especially easy with a man who commits crimes for breakfast.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:21 pm

Beria was real and very evil. You much less real, but still evil. Take your ‘orange man bad’ schtick elsewhere.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 4:55 pm

Apart from gaming the property market, just like every other property entrepreneur, and is not actually a crime…

… Trump has committed no real crime.

The judge and jury, on the other hand, let their ultra-left bias taint their judgement.

That is the real criminal injustice.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 2:28 pm

He’s rich, and he gets in the way of the utopia the left has envisioned for the rest of us, that makes him in the words of Hillary, another Hitler.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
June 9, 2024 10:28 pm

Like Hitler criminal Trump is on the far right and close to becoming a fascist.

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 6:17 am

Trump said the other day that the Democrats had been trying to get hold of his tax returns for five years and finally got them, and after that “crickets”. The Democrats couldn’t find one thing wrong in Trump’s tax records for his entire career.

Now you know they went through Trump’s tax returns with a fine-toothed comb, but they found nothing.

Trump doesn’t sound like a criminal to me. You couldn’t prove it by his tax returns.

What is being done to Trump by the Democrats, with their weaponization of government against their political enemies, is an existential threat to the U.S. Constitution, and to the freedoms of all of us. If the Democrats can do this to Trump, then they can do it to anyone. And if they manage to keep Trump out of the White House, then you can bet that anyone who gets in the Democrats’ way in the future is going to get the same treatment.

Welcome to “1984”, radical Democrat style, if Trump loses.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 7, 2024 9:21 am

Trump is a businessman intent on making money. You can turn over any rock and find questionable practices, such as multiple LLCs to funnel money into family pockets while hiding it.

Trump has an ego problem. He also does not filter his thoughts – something a statesman needs.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 8, 2024 4:29 am

I don’t think Trump is into making money now. He’s into Making America Great Again. He doesn’t need the money.

The Democrats turned over every rock in Trump’s tax returns and didn’t find any questionable practices.

I don’t consider Trump’s ego to be a problem. I think he handles international relations better than just about anyone I can think of. His language may offend some, but he gets the job done and he sees the direction the United States needs to take to thrive.

You’re not going to vote for Biden, are you? If not, then there is only one other choice. The much better choice, imo. The choice that will set us free from Biden/Democrat enslavement.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 8, 2024 5:42 am

Including the Green Raw Deal.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 9, 2024 10:30 pm

 If the Democrats can do this to Trump, then they can do it to anyone.”
If… you screw a porn star then falsify the payment to her in your business records, so that you can conceal the truth to the voting public… then yes they can do it to you. It is called justice.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 9:19 am

erm

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 1:44 pm

You mean the guy who challenges the father of an immoral and shortly convicted son for the presidency?

Simon
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 6, 2024 2:01 pm

You are right, I think Hunter will be convicted. And so he should be, he committed a crime. That’s how it works. And did you see some of the woman he slept with in the photos. They looked like porn stars. I mean who would sleep with a porn star while they were married… Oh wait.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:19 pm

If Hunter is convicted, Big Joe should serve 10% of the prison sentence.

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
June 6, 2024 2:26 pm

If Hunter is convicted, Big Joe should serve 10% of the prison sentence.”
Sounds fair. So who is going to tell Eric and don junior they can serve some of convicted felon Trumps time?

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 3:24 pm

Trump won’t serve time. Kangaroo courts get overturned.

Also the Trump children don’t have illegal drug and prostitution earnings to send 10% of to the Big Guy.

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 9:57 am

“And so he should be (convicted), he committed a crime.”

Let us see if we can define hypocrisy, shall we?

Do you think a declining sad old man (Biden) that was clearly in violation of Federal statutes should be tried/convicted, or should be given a pass from further action based on the reasoning that he is a sad old man (or for any other reason)?

Simon
Reply to  DonM
June 7, 2024 11:21 am

Well come on, which statute was he in violation of? Spit it out man…..

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 2:30 pm

He had in possession multiple classified documents, he was also not storing any of them properly.
Trump, as president, had the right to possess such documents and he was storing them properly.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
June 7, 2024 7:52 pm

He had in possession multiple classified documents, he was also not storing any of them properly.”
It is true Biden stuffed up here, but nothing like convicted felon Trump who acted maliciously and against the peope trying to sort the mess.

Did he give them back when asked? CF Trump no. Biden yes.
Did he share them with people he shouldn’t? CF Trump Yes. Biden No
Did he cooperate fully with the Feds? CF Trump No. Biden yes.
Did he lie to the feds? CF Trump yes. Biden no.
Did try to destroy some? CF Trump yes. Biden no.

Trump, as president, had the right to possess such documents and he was storing them properly.”
Bollocks…. he had them all over the place including a toilet. There are photos Mark. What is wrong with you?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 9:36 pm

Wow, you really do believe whatever you are told to believe.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2024 1:15 pm

What’s true is true Mark….

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 8, 2024 2:23 pm

And what you believe never is.

Reply to  MarkW
June 9, 2024 4:13 am

Yeah, it looks like Simon soaks up all the leftwing propaganda about Trump without any skepticism.

If CNN says it, it must be true.

Reply to  DonM
June 7, 2024 4:41 pm

*Possession/Retention of Classified Documents.
*Improper storage of Classified Documents.
*Sharing Classified Documents with others for personal gain.
*Allowing Son to share Classified Documents with others for monetary gain.

(deflection simply adds to the appearance of hypocrisy. Answer the question outright to clear the impression, or confirm that the appearance is a true reflection.

Simon
Reply to  DonM
June 7, 2024 8:09 pm

“*Sharing Classified Documents with others for personal gain.
*Allowing Son to share Classified Documents with others for monetary gain.”
These two are complete garbage. But I’ll humour you. Got any proof? And the other two are minor compared to what convicted felon Trump did. He lied, stole, shared the docs with unauthorised people. Much of the stuff top secret. He then refused to give them back when requested by the offical agencies. Then he tried to destroy some, and moved others around. Then denied that.

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 10:57 pm

That is a load of TOTAL BOLLOCKS. !!

Reply to  bnice2000
June 8, 2024 5:41 pm

He has a special talent for this.

Reply to  Simon
June 9, 2024 4:24 am

“He lied, stole, shared the docs with unauthorised people. Much of the stuff top secret. He then refused to give them back when requested by the offical agencies. Then he tried to destroy some, and moved others around. Then denied that.”

All untrue.

Trump had the legal right to be in possession of the classified documents.

Trump did not refuse to give the documents back. He was in negotiations with the federal agency handling this matter when Biden’s DOJ raided Trump’s house.

There’s no evidence Trump showed any documents to unauthorized persons.

There’s no evidence Trump tried to destroy any documents.

When asked the other day if he would have given the documents back, his answer was “yes”.

But Biden and the Democrats didn’t want that outcome. They didn’t want Trump negotiationg his way out of it, so they instittuted a raid on Trump’s house as the first step in trying to try Trump in federal court.

None of these cases against Trump will hold up in court.

The Bragg conviction may be falling apart as jury tampering has raised its ugly head and may result in a new trial, if it gets that far, before appeals are heard.

The prosecution of Trump in Georgia is on hold as higher courts look into the District Attorney’s behavior.

The federal trial against Trump for classified documents is on hold also, and now there are serious constitutional questions about the viability of the federal special prosecutor who may have been appointed improperly. Also, it appears this federal special prosecutor tampered with the classified documents seized from Trump, and the judge wants the special prosecutor to explain what happened to the documents while in the special prosecutors possession.

Biden and the Democrats can’t even carry out illegal Lawfare properly. The Bumbling Dictators.

Of course, they wouldn’t be bumbling if not for Trump’s ability to survive. Anyone else would have been destroyed by now by the illegal activities of the Democrats. So they are bumbling, but they are dangerous at the same time.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 10, 2024 8:07 pm

You are wrong on so many counts here Tom. You can read about it here…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information

Simon
Reply to  DonM
June 8, 2024 1:15 pm

DonM you seem to have gone quiet….

MarkW
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 6, 2024 2:03 pm

THe only reason why BIden isn’t being charged for holding onto secret documents is because the investigator thought that no jury would convict someone who was so obviously old and having difficulty with his memory.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  MarkW
June 6, 2024 2:37 pm

Which is why DOJ won’t release the audio, only the ‘lightly edited’ transcript.

My significant other struggled with growing cognitive impairment like Biden—thank god less afflicted— until she unexpectedly died last week of acute pneumonia. Her last Montreal Assessment score was about 20 (compared to 25 about 4 years ago—30 is perfect, 25 is threshold mild, 20 is threshold moderate, below 15 is threshhold severe) and her neurologist had her decline at least temporarily arrested with a drug since about a year. I bet Biden’s MA would be well below 20, and clearly not arrested.

Dr./Admiral/Congressman Ronny Jackson has the Biden cognitive impairment diagnosis right. His five letters to the current WH physician have all been ignored for obvious reasons.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 4:10 pm

Condolences. Its a terrible thing to witness.

Rich Davis
Reply to  michel
June 6, 2024 4:32 pm

Yes, very sorry for your loss, Rud.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Rich Davis
June 6, 2024 5:33 pm

It has been a very tough last week. We were inseparable for 24.5 years.

old cocky
Reply to  michel
June 6, 2024 6:15 pm

My condolences as well, Rud.

Martin Brumby
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 7:10 pm

Very sorry to read of your loss, Rud.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 9:04 am

I’m so sorry to hear that too Rud. Stay strong.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 9:24 am

Sad. Brings back memories of mom and her struggles.

MarkW
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 2:32 pm

I hurt for your loss, try to make sure to keep in touch with good friends during this time.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 6:43 pm

Sorry to hear this news, Rud.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 7:08 pm

God bless you Rud, I’m sorry to hear that.

Editor
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 6, 2024 4:06 pm

Shortly convicted on a deflection charge, not the charges that should be brought.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 7, 2024 12:45 am

But that could be a good thing. Those charges can still be brought in future by a prosecutor not tainted with political bias and there would be no double jeopardy.

MarkW
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 7, 2024 2:33 pm

This past week, the FBI submitted Hunter’s laptop into evidence.
The same laptop that 3 1/2 years ago, the FBI was assuring everyone, was nothing more than Russian disinformation.

Reply to  MarkW
June 7, 2024 8:38 pm

Along with 50 hand-picked Bidenista “intelligence experts” who signed their names on a piece of 100% fiction, which was then extolled endlessly by the Fake News.

Reply to  karlomonte
June 9, 2024 4:39 am

Every one of these people should have their security clearances withdrawn and they should never be employed in the intelligence field again.

Some of them should go to jail as they are traitors to their country. John Brennan comes to mind.

Reply to  MarkW
June 9, 2024 4:37 am

The FBI is in need of serious reform, starting at the top.

It’s time to make the FBI stop lying to the American people.

Simon
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
June 7, 2024 11:22 am

If Hunter Biden has committed a crime he should be held accountable. I have no problem with that and nor it seems does his father who has said he will not pardon his son. That’s how the law should work.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:00 pm

Will be easily reverse on appeal. Only questions are when and where. At least three separate fatal biased judge Marchan errors.
1. Letting Stormy testify, when she was NOT material to the Bragg charges. Similar error just got the NY Weinstein conviction reversed on appeal in NY. Very recent clear NY precedent.
2.Jury instructions did not require a unanimous clear jury verdict statement of the underlying crime converting a statute of limitations expired misdemeanor into a statute of limitations not expired felony. Easy clear violation of SCOTUS 1999 ruling Richardson v US. ( 119SC1707). See point 3 for underlying details.
3.Prosecution submitted into written evidence their theory was the underlying ‘crime’ was a smorgasbord of 3 possibilities—And Marchan wrongly instructed the jury they did NOT have to agree on which—4 for #1, 4 for #2, 4 for #3 would be ‘unanimous’. WRONG per Richardson v US, which applies to NY state courts via 14A.
a. Violation of FEC federal law. Two big problems. 1. NY does not have jurisdiction to determine. 2. Judge refused to let Trump defense call former FEC head to testify that FEC found there wasn’t one.
b. Violation of NY §17-152. Conspiracy to ‘corrupt’ NY election for public office. Again 2 big problems. 1. Prosecution never showed Trump and Cohen ever discussed Stormy hish money before the election. The single phone call Cohen relied on was disproven on crossx—different subject, and call not to Trump. 2. 17-152 applies to NY public office, including federal Congressmen and Senators. But Presidency is a nationwide Federal office where NY has no law making jurisdiction.
or c. Violation of NY state income tax law. BIG problem. NY state income tax law expressly adopts the Fed tax definitions of deductions. And by law, all presidential fed tax returns are audited by IRS. So Trump 2016 was audited after filing in 2017 and IRS found nothing. Legal expenses paid to lawyers are deductible legal expenses. DUH. Therefore NY state by law could find nothing either.

Even Bill Barr just said Alvin Bragg’s case was an abomination that will be easily reversed on appeal. If not by NY, then by SCOTUS. In terms of 2024 election impact, Bragg’s lawfare has already backfired bigly.

Remember, both DA Alvin Bragg and AG Letitia James both expressly campaigned for office on ‘Get Trump’. They tried. They will both fail bigly. Engoron ruled MaL wasworth $28 million. Rush Limbaugh’s 2.5 acre much smaller estate (not on the water) in the same neighborhood just sold for over $150 million.

Simon
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 2:12 pm

You may be right, but I’m not holding my breath. these things always have issues like this. But if you are, then that is how it works. It is why we have appeals and they are important isn a fair legal system.
Now do you have a quote that Bragg said he was going to “get Trump” in his campaign speeches? It is true that Trump was disliked in New York, but why wouldn’t he be, he has stiffed so many and they know him best. And it is true Bragg was no fan of Trump, but did he actually say “I’m going to get him?” From what I have read he has said he was going to hold him to account. I have no problem with that. It’s his job.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:56 pm

I am a retired lawyer who has followed this obscene Trump lawfare closely. As for Bragg and James, their NY campaign speeches and ads are a matter of public record. Look them up for yourself.

As for James/Engoron, egregious error of both fact and law.
As for Bragg/Marchan, egregious error of law (above).
As for Smith/J6, SCOTUS will decide immunity before end of term.
As for Smith/MaL documents, Cannon’s next hearing is whether Smith was illegally appointed; Meese brief to SCOTUS on immunity says yes. (SCOTUS will likely not go there—they have another Marbury v Madison opportunity to settle basic constitutional law instead.) That is before the FBI tampered evidence issue, before ‘classified markings’ does NOT mean still classified issue, before the Presidential Records Act issue.

Simon
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 4:13 pm

Yes… yes, I get you think there are issues…..but do you have a quote from Bragg that he was going to “get Trump?”

Reply to  Simon
June 9, 2024 4:44 am

“Hold to account” means the same thing as “I’m going to get you”.

You provided your own evidence, Simon, in your post above.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 9:30 am

You failed to mention the 6 pallets of documents held in an unsecured facility by the GSA which did not coordinate with The Archives and merely told the Trump team to get them or GSA would ship them.

No accusations, but removing the shrink wrap, planting something, then shrink wrapping again is a possibility and there was no surveillance to catch such a misdeed.

And having the MaL security cameras turned off during the FBI raid? Curious they did not want any evidence of what they were up to. Just raises questons.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 8, 2024 6:12 pm

Simon is too lazy to look them up – and besides he really doesn’t care. He is on this site as a troll – just stirring people up. When we react to him he gets a special thrill. It’s a psychological abnormality (“abnormality” defined as relatively few people have such a need.)

You should quit “feeding” his addiction.

Neil Lock
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 4:53 pm

Simon: “You may be right, but I’m not holding my breath. these things always have issues like this.”

That’s what happens when politics gets in the way of reality and justice, and legality and lawfulness become divorced. Rud and I, from our very different perspectives, both understand this. You don’t seem to.

Simon
Reply to  Neil Lock
June 6, 2024 5:06 pm

You realise there is a very high chance that Trump is actually guilty. Which raises the question if he is, should the justice system have let him off? There is actually zero evidence in this case that Biden had anything to do with the prosecution. I mean I’m sure he is delighted, but is anyone actually surprised that Trump screwed a porn star then lied about the payment to hide it so that the voting public didn’t know… so subverting the 2016 election? I’m certainly not. It has his style all over it.

  1. philanderer
  2. sleazy
  3. crooked with money
  4. Arogant.

All = Trump.

morton
Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 6:11 pm

you obviously haven’t been following along properly.

so much nonsense that you write.

let’s hope your troll pay is worth it.

Simon
Reply to  morton
June 7, 2024 2:21 am

Well come on big guy. What have I written here that is wrong? Your chance to show you can write something worthwhile?

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 9:32 am

What have you written here that is wrong? Everything.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 6:29 pm

None of which are criminal activities, and only in the mind of the far-left haters.

The list you could put under Biden’s name would be MUCH longer and far worse….

Deliberately hiding Hunter’s laptop with all the massive evidence of extreme criminal behaviour, which he was taking a 10% cut from.

Hiding and getting funds from Hunter’s illegal activities in Ukraine.

Deliberate destruction of the US economy and energy supply network.

Deep-seated senility, and incurable dementia.

.. and that’s just a start.

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 2:22 am

The list you could put under Biden’s name would be MUCH longer and far worse”
Well go on? Write me a list that Joe Biden has done that compares to the convicted felon Trump.

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 6:34 am

A Republican House member said yesterday that his committee had records of two checks to Joe Biden that originated with the Chicoms.

I smell some criminal activity. Activity that may be undermining the United States. More investigation is warranted.

You won’t hear about this on CNN, Simon.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 2:39 pm

Influence peddling for one thing.
Hunter selling access to his father while the father was VP, with 10% going to the big guy.

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 10:59 pm

Trump’s conviction is a politically based farce.

Even a moronic simpleton like you MUST be aware of that fact.

Perhaps that is why you are yelling and ranting about it so much.

You KNOW it is all fake.

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 6:28 am

“You realise there is a very high chance that Trump is actually guilty.”

Guilty of what?

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 7, 2024 2:39 pm

Being hated by Democrats.

Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2024 4:34 am

Good one! 🙂

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 9:32 am

They had to prove intent to falsify.
They did not prove that.
So your assessment that there is a “very high chance” merely reflects your bias.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 2:41 pm

If not disclosing everything that would make them look bad as a candidate was illegal, then every politician in the country would be heading for jail.
Why is it only the ones you hate that these standards are being applied to?

another ian
Reply to  Neil Lock
June 7, 2024 3:07 am

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Reply to  another ian
June 7, 2024 6:30 am

“Didn’t see that coming”, Joe says.

Reply to  Simon
June 9, 2024 4:42 am

“And it is true Bragg was no fan of Trump, but did he actually say “I’m going to get him?” From what I have read he has said he was going to hold him to account.”

That is two ways of saying the same thing.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 6, 2024 6:51 pm

That and more. Bragg and Merchan know that one way or the other the case will be reversed but they don’t care. They delivered by hanging a “convicted felon” sign on Trump for the campaign.

Reply to  Ollie
June 7, 2024 6:41 am

That was their objective.

Bragg may have broken the law himself in doing so.

Polls taken right after the conviction show no movement up or down, but the Trump campaign is receiving tens of millions of dollars in donations after the conviction. Even people who did not support Trump are getting on this bandwagon because they see that Democrat Lawfare threatens everyone, not just Trump. If they can do it to Trump, then they can do it to anyone else that gets in their way. The Democrats are adopting the Chicom, one-party-rule model of government.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Ollie
June 7, 2024 9:34 am

Exactly the purpose, that and keeping Trump in a courthouse for weeks and financially bleeding him.

MarkW
Reply to  Ollie
June 7, 2024 2:42 pm

Merchan’s daughter was making money off the trial, that alone should have been sufficient for him to recuse himself.

MarkW
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 7, 2024 3:07 pm

Rud, there’s another problem:
One of the jurors just wrote a social media post implying that he had discussed a guilty verdict with his family while the case was still ongoing.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-v-trump-judge-reveals-juror-allegedly-spoke-about-case-family-member-before-guilty-verdict

Reply to  MarkW
June 8, 2024 4:41 am

Now, 51 former intelligence officials will come out and say this looks like Russian Disinformation.

If the claims of jury tampering prove true, then Trump would not be a convicted felon and would get a new trial.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:22 pm

The simpering simpleton actually funds big oil, just like the rest of us.

Couldn’t live its pathetic little existence without them.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 2:24 pm

You mean the next President of the United States…

On the other hand, no-one would want to be seen with a demented geriatric.

Reply to  Simon
June 6, 2024 3:43 pm

the simpleton.. guilty of “argumentum ab amens ineptus” as usual

Reply to  Simon
June 7, 2024 6:48 pm

Four-hundred millions dollars, in one week.

Suck on it.

Reply to  Simon
June 9, 2024 6:55 am

I bet he is not so keen to be pictured with a convicted felon”

Felon?
Exactly what felony was committed?

To date, the judge & prosecution have not identified a crime.
No crime, let alone, no felonious crime eviscerates all claims of Trump being a felon.

Put that in your bubbles pipe.

MarkW
June 6, 2024 1:28 pm

I found a dime on the ground last time I filled up. Does this mean that I’m being funded by big oil?

June 6, 2024 1:32 pm

Desmond is funded by green billionaires

MarkW
June 6, 2024 1:37 pm

According to the socialists, they can take 10’s of millions from the public unions and not be influenced in the slightest.
However if someone they don’t like takes even 10 dollars from “big oil”, that proves they are hopelessly corrupt and must ignored, if not jailed.

Reply to  MarkW
June 6, 2024 9:16 pm

People who use political demagogury condemning and complaining about who donates funds to who are against free speech and free association.

Anyone can donate funds and associate with anyone else. It is free speech and free association, your inalienable god given right to do so.

There is no other way to describe it. If you agree with their demogouge argument then you are opposed to free speech too.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  MarkW
June 7, 2024 9:36 am

It is classic defamation to accuse that taking those funds puts you under control of the donar.

June 6, 2024 2:16 pm

“No political party should be taking any money from fossil fuel interests whatsoever,”

No political party should be taking any money from RENEWABLE ENERGY SUBSIDY SCAMMERS whatsoever.

That would leave the major parties destitute. !!

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 9:37 am

Mayor parties destitute? Consider: wound that be a bad thing? Campaigning on issues, meeting the people, and not having the elections determined by who spent the most?

Maybe we should try that.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
June 7, 2024 2:44 pm

Renewable energy wouldn’t exist without government.
Fossil fuel companies would exist just fine without government.

Dr. Bob
June 6, 2024 2:40 pm

The reason people on the left accuse people that do not believe in CAGW of taking money from fossil fuel producers is because they are taking money from renewable energy producers so they want to deflect attention away from what their sins are and cast stones at others. But they live in a glass house, so they better be careful when tossing stones. Classic deflection, prescribed in the Anarchists Handbook.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Dr. Bob
June 7, 2024 9:37 am

Spot on.

June 6, 2024 3:10 pm

Campaigning for cheaper energy? Doesn’t that carry the death penalty?

June 6, 2024 3:50 pm

Anyway back to the main takeaway from this post: will fracking lower the energy prices for the downtrodden energy consumers of the UK?
What ever comes out of the ground in the UK will be subject to world energy prices so will it make much of a difference? I know that the UK government will benefit from taxation and there won’t be transportation costs but will those savings be passed on to the consumer? Or will Ed Miliband (the incoming Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero) just subsidise his Green Energy buddies a bit more? Personally I think the renewables industry see Ed as their useful idiot.
It’s a sad state of affairs being prawns in someone else’s Machiavellian machinations so I hope Farage can stop, or at least slow the tide towards energy poverty.

MarkW
Reply to  galileo62
June 7, 2024 2:46 pm

As long as competition exists, those savings will be passed on to the consumer.

Rich Davis
June 6, 2024 4:44 pm

I happen to be in Lancashire as I write this, on a business trip. In fact I’m in Blackburn, Lancashire of the Beatles’ A Day in the Life. I didn’t find 4000 holes, but this is a very sad collapsing region. Basically one big hole. It’s amazing that I don’t encounter anyone who dares to be seen as even climate sceptic curious.

ref:

I read the news today, oh boy

Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall
I’d love to turn you on

June 6, 2024 8:42 pm

I have met Nigel. And campaigned for him. I liked him.
Two weeks ago he was going to not run as a candidate and go to the USA to support Trump.
After the Trump conviction he announced he is standing as a candidate in the UK elections after all.
Myself, I try never to be a ‘supporter’ of anything or anyone. I will vote for Reform because it is the least worst option.
I would not vote for Trump anymore, not because of his conviction, but for his disgraceful support for Russia.
That may go down well in flyover states, who traditionally look to their own, and distrust US involvement in Geopolitics. But here with two large USAAF bases within ten miles of me and near the front lines of a very nasty conflict indeed, it goes down like a cup of cold sick.
That doesn’t mean I have any time for Biden and his motley crew either.
The USA doesn’t have its reform party yet, but it badly needs some sort of alternative.

Reply to  Leo Smith
June 6, 2024 8:57 pm

It is understandable that Biden supports Ukraine.

That is where Hunter makes his money and has all his secrets.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 7, 2024 5:06 am

I have mixed views on Trump. But that scene recorded on camera of German officials sniggering when Trump was telling them straight of the risks of becoming reliant on Russian gas was, and remains, priceless.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 7, 2024 7:01 am

“I wouldn’t be surprised if pulling back from defending Europe from its own stupidity and lack of preparedness is on Trump’s list of possible cost savings.”

I don’t think Trump is ready to abandon Europe. He just wants them to pay their fair share of the costs.

Trump sees the Big Picture globally. He’s not going to walk away from Europe or any other ally. He may speak to them harshly sometimes, as that is the way he does the “Art of the Deal” but he’s not going to abandon them.

There’s a lot of leftwing propaganda swirling around out there about Trump. Don’t believe any of it.

Reply to  Leo Smith
June 7, 2024 6:54 am

“I would not vote for Trump anymore, not because of his conviction, but for his disgraceful support for Russia.”

What support for Russia?

Reply to  Tom Abbott
June 8, 2024 4:58 am

Trump says he is tougher on Russia than anyone. I agree.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Leo Smith
June 7, 2024 9:41 am

I do not think Trump supports Russia.
I have seen media headlines where snippets of what he said were posted in large font.
A snippet alters the context and therefore changes the meaning of the words.

decnine
June 7, 2024 12:33 am

Wind generated electricity is indeed really cheap … at the top of a pole sticking out of the middle of the North Sea. Thanks to transmission costs, it’s stupidly expensive by the time it’s delivered to a socket in my kitchen. Which price am I charged??????

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 7, 2024 7:11 am

According to a guide published by BVG Associates on behalf of the UK Crown Estate and others in May 2023 maintenance costs for a 450MW Floating Offshore Wind Farm (FOWF) are around £14m ($17.78m) per year.

BVGA-1644-Floating-Guide pdf

June 7, 2024 5:17 am

always love “buzz word bingo.

Fossil Fuel Interests, Climate Deniers, and Polluters
anti-net zero party bankrolled by oil and gas investors, aviation entrepreneurs, and those who reject climate science “Anathema to those evil capitalist”

These guys win a lot of prizes from playing bingo.
DeSmog won the Canadian Public Relation Society’s Leadership in Communication award, voted Canada’s “Best Group Blog” by their peers.
TIME Magazine named DeSmog in its “25 Best Blogs of 2011” list.
won “Best Specialist News Site” category in The Drum Online Media Awards 2021,
shortlisted and “highly commended” in this category in 2023,
nominated for the “Best Investigation” category three times.
DeSmog investigation co-published with The Nation was nominated for the Media Council of Kenya’s Annual Journalism Excellence Award in the “Development Reporting” category in 2021

They have a great list of contributing writer too.
Not sure where they get their finding. A quick look at their site does not reveal their major funding sources. But if one reads about their team, a fuller picture is revealed.

Sparta Nova 4
June 7, 2024 9:44 am

We need to start using their terminology against them

Net Zero is the anthropogenic tipping point for the collapse of human civilization.

June 7, 2024 11:24 pm

O2 and warming are good for the planet. THis message needs funding.