Climate Change Weekly #499: Is the Bell Tolling for EV Mania?

H. Sterling Burnett

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  • Northeast China Warmer in the 18th and 19th Centuries Than Now
  • New Studies Show Climate Models Get Dominant Greenhouse Gas Wrong
  • Podcast of the Week: Climate Science Is Being Subverted By Poor Metrics and the Pursuit of Consensus (Guest: Matthew Wielicki, Ph.D.)
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Is the Bell Tolling for EV Mania?

Electric vehicles have been all the rage among politicians at least since President Barack Obama’s first term in office, but they’ve never really caught on among the unwashed masses, who actually want their cars to deliver them to their destinations in comfort in a timely fashion, toting everything and everyone they might want to take along, without blowing up while parked and burning down their residences in the process.

In truth, EVs had been tried and rejected long before that, largely because of the same problems they still have: low range and high cost. The first electric vehicle, a locomotive, was tested in 1837, nearly 60 years before the first vehicle powered by an internal combustion engine (ICE) entered service. Electric locomotives couldn’t even compete with steam engines fueled by coal. The first rechargeable batteries were created in 1859, and EVs still couldn’t compete.

Electric cars predated the first gasoline- and diesel-powered private vehicles, all without government support, subsidies, or tax credits, by the way, and they couldn’t compete. They still can’t compete. Yet now, in a vain quest to manage the climate, the government is putting its thumb on the scale to mandate and incentivize them with various types of support and regulations.

I have noted before that EVs are in general much more expensive than their roughly comparable ICE counterparts. As such, research shows that most EVs are sold to people in the top two income brackets, making the tax credits and other government support no more than welfare for the well-to-do and politically connected crony-capitalists.

Even with all that support, the chickens are coming home to roost. The stock price of Tesla, the top-selling EV maker, is in freefall, and the company’s declining dividends reflect that. EV rival Rivian is laying off workers as its stock has fallen dramatically on losses topping $1.5 billion. Another early EV entrant, Fisker, has already gone through one bankruptcy and may be lurching towards its second, its value having fallen to the penny stock level.

As EV inventories mount on dealers’ lots, Ford and GM, each of which announced billions of dollars in losses on its EVs, have reduced production lines and cut sales and production outlooks. After spending billions of dollars on various EV efforts, Apple, Inc. cancelled all its EV projects. If one of the most profitable, well-funded corporations in the world can’t make an effective EV and have it go mainstream, who can?

Energy analyst and Heartland Institute policy advisor Ronald Stein and my colleague Chris Talgo have both recently detailed the myriad problems facing EVs. Talgo points out that the two top issues limiting EVs’ appeal are those already known nearly 200 years ago: “range anxiety” and costs. I have written previously, at Liberty and Ecology, about the range problem EVs present to most normal drivers, pointing out that charging them would make various day trips I commonly take into two-day trips, at a minimum, and would cut the vacation part of week-long driving excursions in half or more.

Stein points out that used EVs are almost impossible to sell, and Hertz is cutting its EV fleet dramatically, purchasing new ICE cars to replace them.

Increasingly, even the mainstream media are being forced to acknowledge the drawbacks of the EV revolution which they have so breathlessly and brazenly promoted as a critical step in preventing climate catastrophe. The child and slave labor that EV technologies are built upon are becoming harder and harder to ignore, as is the environmental destruction caused by the mining of the minerals necessary for EVs to function.

Stories out of Oslo and Sweden, as well as in the states of Iowa, Michigan, and Minnesota, detail how electric buses have failed to complete their rounds during the winter, forcing those jurisdictions and others to pull them from service or severely truncate their routes. Of course, as shown by electric bus problems in North Carolina, San Francisco, and Wyoming, among other places, it doesn’t really have to be all that cold for electric buses to fail. The evidence suggests electric buses simply aren’t ready for primetime (or cost-effective). For most operations, traditional gasoline, diesel, and even natural gas buses are a better choice for schoolkids, commuters, and taxpayers.

A simple web search for “electric vehicles” and “fires,” or “electric bus” and “fires,” will turn up dozens if not hundreds of stories detailing how electric cars, scooters, and, increasingly, buses are spontaneously combusting, destroying property, and killing people in the process. Headlines note EVs, scooters, cars, and buses have become a significant fire hazard in New York and Connecticut, internationally in France and India, and during shipping. Some insurers no longer offer insurance on EVs or to those who store or transport them.

In the past week the hits on EVs just kept coming. Headlines in the Daily Mail on consecutive days declared, “Britain’s e-bus ticking timebomb: How nearly TWO THOUSAND electric buses worth £800m face urgent recall over fears they could … burst into flames,” and, “Electric cars release MORE toxic emissions than gas-powered vehicles and are worse for the environment, resurfaced study warns.”

The first story notes Great Britain’s Driver Vehicle Standards Agency issued an emergency recall of 1,758 double- and single-decker electric buses currently in service around the country (600 in London alone) because “there is no permanent solution to prevent future fires” tied to the buses’ power supply—i.e. the battery packs.

If electric vehicles had been brought out by automakers in the 1960s and 1970s, consumer advocate Ralph Nader would have had a fit and declared them “Unsafe at No Speed.” The U.S. Consumer Products Safety commission or other agencies would have almost certainly forced the makers to remove them from the market for safety reasons, instead of promoting them as they are doing now.

The second Daily Mail story, with facts confirmed by an article published at Fox Business News the following day, reported that because EVs are so much heavier than ICE vehicles, their tires wear out much faster, with the treads releasing 400 times more “toxic particles” into the air during operation than are emitted from the tailpipes of ICE vehicles. Considering pollution during mining and manufacturing, pollution during operation, and pollution related to charging (depending on the source of electricity used), the evidence suggests EVs are dirtier than the ICE vehicles they are supposed to be replacing on the grounds that they are better for the environment.

You can’t make these things up. Well, you could, but who would believe you?

With sales and stock prices falling and the media now starting to report on the problems with EVs, the scales are increasingly falling from the public’s eyes regarding EVs and governments’ ambitions for them.

The U.S. government never should have intervened in the market to promote EVs. There is no evidence we face a climate crisis outside of elites’ dogmatic rantings and the outputs of flawed computer models, and even less evidence that if there were a crisis EVs would prevent it instead of making it worse.

The question really is not whether the bell will toll to call an end of the government’s promotion of EVs, but how soon will it happen. With any luck, the coming election could prove a turning point if the turnaround does not happen before that.

Sources: America Out LoudThe Daily MailThe Daily MailClimate Change WeeklyThe Center SquareLiberty and EcologyJunk Science


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On episode 100 of The Climate Realism Show, we look into the declining trends of the ESG. The Heartland Institute’s Jim Lakely, H. Sterling Burnett, and Linnea Lueken, plus special guest, anti-ESG investment guru Don Harrison look at the madness behind ESG and why it is now failing to maintain momentum as investors back away.

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Northeast China Warmer in the 18th and 19th Centuries Than Now

New research from a team of Chinese researchers published in the journal Forests finds the mountainous region of northeastern China was warmer in the late 1700s and mid-to-late 1800s than it is at present, despite carbon dioxide concentrations being much higher now.

Reconstructing temperatures for northeastern China for 1787 through 2005, the researchers found periods of both extreme cold and extreme warm temperatures lasting three or more years were common across the centuries studied. The scientists used tree-ring data collected from cores taken from Erman’s Birch trees in the transitional zone between forests and tundra in the Changbai Mountain (CBM) region. They found mean maximum winter temperatures were pivotal in determining the trees’ growth annually and on multiyear and multidecade timescales.

“After smoothing with an 11-yr moving average, cold periods occurred in 1822–1830 and 1957–1970, compared to the 1960 to 2005 calibration period, while a warm period occurred in 1787–1793, with rapid and sustained cooling being observed in the reconstructed series from 1790 to 1826 and again from 1939–1969,” the scientists found.

Using a 50-year time scale, the highest temperature during the 1787 to 2005 time frame occurred between 1844 and 1893, results confirmed by earlier studies, and the lowest temperature was from 1940 to 1993.

The scientists suggest the climate trends may be a response to solar activity:

Recent studies have underscored the strong correlation between changes in Earth’s climate and solar activity. The prevailing belief is that during periods of lower solar activity, such as the Dalton Minimum (c. AD 1790–1830) …, Earth’s temperature is expected to decrease. Our reconstruction reflects these expectations, displaying low values from AD 1790 to 1830 that coincide with the Dalton Minimum of diminished solar activity. Conversely, during periods of heightened solar activity, the climate tends to warm, as observed during the Roman warm period (400–10 BC) and the medieval warm period (900–1200 AD). … It was found that the upper temperature of the troposphere and stratosphere was synchronous with the 10–12 years cycle of solar activity.

Sources: ForestsNo Tricks Zone


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New Studies Show Climate Models Get Dominant Greenhouse Gas Wrong

Despite being the dominant greenhouse gas in the atmosphere—making up approximately 97 percent of all atmospheric greenhouse gas—water vapor is largely ignored in the discussion of climate change. It is generally treated as a nearly constant variable in climate models, only perturbed as a feedback loop in response to rising temperatures.

However, new research published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests climate models do not accurately model the response of water vapor to warming. An accurate understanding of the water cycle is critical, the authors write:

One of the most pressing issues facing society and ecosystems as the planet warms is the impact of a changing hydroclimate and its associated effects on drought, wildfire, and heat extremes. This is particularly true in arid and semi-arid regions where water resources are limited, and wildfire and heat extremes are already a significant threat.

The researchers note the anthropogenic climate change theory holds that atmospheric water vapor should increase as the planet warms, because a warmer atmosphere can hold more moisture. Climate models reflect this belief, treating rising water vapor as causing a positive feedback to rising temperatures, further tending to warm the planet. That, however, is not what the data presented in this new paper shows. Examining trends in vapor pressure and relative humidity in the arid and desert southwestern United States, which they used as a case study, the scientists found water vapor was not responding to warming as predicted by the theory and climate models:

Over the arid/semi-arid regions of the world, the predominant signal in all model simulations is an increase in atmospheric water vapor, on average, over the last four decades, in association with the increased water vapor–holding capacity of a warmer atmosphere. In observations, this increase in atmospheric water vapor has not happened, suggesting that the availability of moisture to satisfy the increased atmospheric demand is lower in reality than in models in arid/semi-arid regions. This discrepancy is most clear in locations that are arid/semi-arid year-round, but it is also apparent in more humid regions during the most arid months of the year. . . .

This is contrary to all climate model simulations in which [water vapor] … rises at a rate close to theoretical expectations, even over dry regions. This may indicate a major model misrepresentation of hydroclimate-related processes; models increase water vapor to satisfy the increased atmospheric demand, while this has not happened in reality. Given close links between water vapor and wildfire, ecosystem functioning, and temperature extremes, this issue must be resolved in order to provide more reliable climate projections for arid and semi-arid regions of the world.

As I’ve discussed repeatedly in previous issues of Climate Change Weekly, the models don’t account for clouds, large-scale natural ocean cyclical currents, volcanic activity, or changes in regional topography. Now it turns out they inaccurately model the response of water vapor, the dominant atmospheric greenhouse gas by far, to warming conditions.

As bad as model projections of warming have been, much less the ancillary catastrophic climate changes that are forecast to flow from that warming, it is unclear to me what, if anything, the models get right. In what ways do climate models accurately model the climate, and if they don’t, what are they good for? Certainly not policymaking.

Sources: No Tricks ZoneProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences


Podcast of the Week

Dr. Matthew Wielicki has had a heck of a year, voluntarily leaving academia when he found the pursuit and promotion of knowledge was being subverted by an effort to enforce consensus on researchers. Nowhere is this more evident than in the field of climate change. He now refers to himself as “earth science professor in exile.”

Recently he has written about why “global average temperature,” is a poor metric for climate change, and how poorly conducted, alarming climate research is being heralded by the media, and not being called out by scientists — all in an effort to motivate climate action which will rob our children of their money, freedom, and mental health.

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strativarius
March 9, 2024 2:19 am

Major u-turn

“”A row between top Tories over the transition away from gas boilers looks set to be settled, with a push for heat pumps to go ahead, Sky News understands.””

Plans to impose targets for electric heat pump sales on gas boiler manufacturers could be confirmed as early as next week, 
https://news.sky.com/story/heat-pump-policy-to-proceed-as-energy-secretary-bows-to-pressure-but-manufacturers-warn-cost-of-boilers-will-go-up-13089864

Argh

leefor
March 9, 2024 2:44 am

But Nick tells us EV sales are booming. 😉

Bob B.
Reply to  leefor
March 9, 2024 4:18 am

In Nick’s world, Hertz selling their EVs = huge increase in sales.

paul courtney
Reply to  leefor
March 9, 2024 6:02 am

Mr. for: He’ll comment, after he reads the article. For awhile. That happens after one has been caught out.

Reply to  Scissor
March 9, 2024 12:17 pm

Nothing works when the battery shorts out, great feature.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  karlomonte
March 9, 2024 2:33 pm

Except that self-immolation feature. Just give it some time. If the car is part of some criminal investigation, let’s hope it’s not parked near other flammable stuff…

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Scissor
March 9, 2024 2:31 pm

Shame it wasn’t one of those Club of Rome Eco-Nazi assholes that think the human population needs to be reduced to 250 million, would have been a fitting end for one of them.

Bill Toland
March 9, 2024 3:32 am

On these cold days, it’s good to come home to a roaring fire. Buy an electric car.

Sam Capricci
March 9, 2024 5:16 am

I noticed that Volvo is absent from the EV story.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/volvos-electric-future
they are planning on being 50% electric by next year and 100% by 2030. I’m guessing bankrupt by 2031.

atticman
Reply to  Sam Capricci
March 9, 2024 8:36 am

The good thing about IC Volvos is that they have a reputation for durability – expect them to be around for many years to come!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Sam Capricci
March 9, 2024 8:44 am

EVs are doing well in Sweden but in 2023 Tesla dominated the market and Chinese BYD was growing fast.Your prediction may well come to pass.

Marty
March 9, 2024 5:26 am

Good article, but one small correction. The Consumer Product Safety Commission does not have jurisdiction over electric cars. Cars are regulated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. But your point still stands.

0perator
March 9, 2024 5:41 am

Won’t anybody think of the child slave labor in the lithium mines?
They’re going to be put out of work!

Matthew W
Reply to  0perator
March 9, 2024 8:59 am

They can assemble Nike shoes instead…..

March 9, 2024 5:52 am

Where do climate modelers suppose the moisture comes from when they posit hot arid areas will get increased humidity as the climate warms?

A cynical person might say it’s just a hack to make the models show the desired results. A person might also point out the models contain many assumptions that are without evidence to support them.

Ronald Stein
March 9, 2024 7:26 am

Gasoline consumption continues to rise !

As most know, with more than 1.4 billion vehicles in the world, and almost 300 million trucks in the world, there’s been a mandate movement to have EV’s replace ICE vehicles to reduce emissions from the vehicular transportation sector.

Well, to-date, it’s a mandate failure as we’re running short of the elites that are buying them, and the auto manufacturers are starting to absorb the financial hits !

The previous worldwide gasoline usage peak was in 2019 before the Pandemic.

1.    Today, there are 30 million EVs on the world’s roads that are owned by the elites that can afford them, and are mainly 2nd vehicles parked in the garage, or with low mileage usage, vs the high mileage workhorse vehicles that are internal combustion engines.

2.    Today, there are also hundreds of millions of workers that now work virtually since the Pandemic and thus do not “drive” to work as often.

Well, even with those 30 million EV’s, and millions of workers not driving as much, gasoline usage continues to rise. The International Energy Agency (IEA) reports that global gasoline consumption in 2023 blew past the pre-lockdown 2019 peak !

 

March 9, 2024 8:37 am

Not mentioned in the above lead-off article on EVs:
Jaguar has plans to go all-electric by 2025
Alfa Romeo has plans to go 100 percent electric by 2027
Chrysler has plans for its vehicle lineup to be completely electric by 2028
Lotus has plans to be all-electric by the brand’s 80th birthday in 2028. However, the brand left room to push the exact date back to 2029.
Bentley has plans to be all-electric by 2030
Buick has plans to be fully electrify by 2030, ahead of General Motors going all-electric by 2035
— General Motors has said its Cadillac brand production will go entirely electric by 2030
Genesis has plans to be an all-electric manufacturer by 2030
— Toyota has plans for its Lexus brand production going all-electric in North America, Europe and China by 2030, and in all markets by 2035
Maserati has plans to sell only EVs by 2030
Mercedes has plans to go all electric by 2030, with the caveat that it may still sell combustion vehicles in markets that necessitate it.
— BMW has plans to make its Mini brand production all-electric by 2030
Rolls-Royce has plans move to a 100 percent electric lineup by 2030
Volvo has plans to be EV-only by 2030
Audi has plans to go all-electric by 2033. The company has stated it will launch its last new internal combustion car in 2026.
General Motors (GMC) has plans to phase out combustion and diesel engines by 2035, including those from its Chevrolet brand, as part of GM’s complete pivot away from internal combustion vehicles
Acura has plans to sell only all-electric or hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2040
Honda has plans for its North American sales to be 100 percent EVs by 2040
BMW has plans for 50 percent of its sales to be EVs by 2030, but expects to hit that target far sooner
Ferrari has plans to sell 40 percent EVs by 2030
Ford has plans for 50 percent of its sales to be EVs by 2030
Jeep has plans for 50 percent of its North American sales and 100 percent of its European sales to be EVs by 2030
Kia has plans to be all-electric in Europe by 2035 and in “key markets” by 2040, but has not committed to going all-electric
Lamborghini has not committed to going all-electric, but every Lamborghini car sold from now going forward will be hybrid or electric (TYS note: thus marking the sad end of one of the world’s greatest muscle car lineups . . . imagine parking your $300,000+ Lambi in a public charging stall and leaving it unattended for an hour or two . . . do you really think it will still be there when you return?)
Mitsubishi has plans to be 100 percent hybrid or electric vehicles by 2035
Land Rover has plans for 60 percent of its sales to be EVs by 2030
Nissan has plans for 40% of its U.S. vehicle sales to be EVs by 2030.
Volkswagen EXPECTS half of its vehicle sales to be electric by 2030 and to be nearly 100 percent EV by 2040

(source of above listing: https://www.gearpatrol.com/cars/g38986745/car-brands-going-electric/ )

My bottom line: if you own stock in any of the above automotive companies, SELL . . . now, before it’s too late!

MarkW
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 9, 2024 9:32 am

They have plans, but are they implementing those plans.
As someone else pointed out it could take up to a decade to build a new auto plant. It takes years to convert an existing one from ICEV to EV.

Unless they are already building the new plants and have begun changing over existing plants, none of them are going to make these aggressive deadlines.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 9, 2024 9:39 am

Question is, what happens if they all do implement those plans, and the public just doesn’t buy?

The Telegraph gave some numbers recently for the UK.About 35,900 new battery EVs were registered in January and February overall… an increase of 21pc compared to a year earlier.

However, just 6,500 of those were bought by private consumers with the rest sold to businesses or fleet operators such as car rental firms.

Sales to individuals fell from 7,900 a year earlier, a drop of 17pc.

One of two things happens. Either car sales collapse. Or the way we live changes to match the cars we can buy.

Either way, huge changes.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  michel
March 9, 2024 4:57 pm

Possibly a little of both….and the developed world goes full Cuba!

Randle Dewees
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 9, 2024 10:45 am

Several of those marques can disappear without any tears on my part

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 9, 2024 2:38 pm

Until governments get out of the “shove electric cars down people’s throats” business, I wouldn’t buy any auto manufacturer stock.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  ToldYouSo
March 9, 2024 4:57 pm

When I was a kid and I wanted to do something one of my friends did (something really stupid and possibly dangerous), my mom had a question for me. She asked me if my friend(s) jumped off a bridge, would I jump too? Well, I think we know how most of these automakers would answer the same question….

mleskovarsocalrrcom
March 9, 2024 8:38 am

AGW mania pushed EVs to the front but it can only sustain with a certain percentage of the population. City dwellers commuting within the EV range and with a private place to park and charge overnight remain the sweet spot for EV ownership. Recent aired EV reactions to cold severely narrowed the buying possibilities so even location is a consideration. EVs are superior to ICE cars in many ways within their limitations but with today’s technology cannot replace them and attempts to force them on the public will fail.

MarkW
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
March 9, 2024 9:34 am

EVs have better acceleration. That’s about it.

Reply to  MarkW
March 9, 2024 11:42 am

They’re also a better accelerant.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
March 9, 2024 5:01 pm

EVs are superior in no ways.

A vehicle that doesn’t go very far, takes a long time to “refuel” and can’t “refuel” at all if it is freezing, that has a propensity to light itself on fire (and is essentially impossible to extinguish), all while being MORE expensive, is not “superior to ICE cars,” in any way, period. Not in any way.

You might as well argue that a classic car with no engine in it is “superior to” a modern car “within its limitations,” because it looks good sitting in the driveway.

Matthew W
March 9, 2024 8:49 am

In the past 3-4 months, I have seen an amazing amount of news stories/reports that were NOT praising EVs.
Yes, the mania is over…….

Walbrook
Reply to  Matthew W
March 10, 2024 6:16 pm

The pool of buyers with more money than sense has been overfished.

Jon Camp
March 9, 2024 9:18 am

A Belgian blogger writes about his EV experience. TL;DR — he’s not getting rid of his ICE car like he had planned….

https://tobolds.blogspot.com/2024/03/the-electric-car-experience.html

Rick C
March 9, 2024 10:26 am

Electric semi trucks Telegraph article discusses failed concept.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/comment/2024/03/05/electric-vehicles-cars-trucks-evs-road-transport-freight/

Aside from all the issues discussed, the article doesn’t mention that since EV Trucks weigh 32,000 lbs vs 18,000 for diesels, with 80,000 lb gross weight restrictions, EVTs have 14,000 lbs less capacity.

Reply to  Rick C
March 9, 2024 12:24 pm

And the energy required to push those 14,000 lbs around produce zero revenue for the truck company.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Rick C
March 10, 2024 7:10 am

Dutch lorry maker DAF has recently launched it’s XB Electric lorries in 16 and 19 tonne versions with a range of up to 350kms. But that is only for “light applications”. For more intensive uses a version with 2 batteries can travel up to 200kms.

Their brochure gives no indication of how much can be carried.

John Hultquist
March 9, 2024 10:34 am

Early electric autos were doomed by this:
Starter (engine) – Wikipedia

March 9, 2024 11:46 am

Interesting ad for the Bailey Electric Phaeton, stated to be from 1911. The cost was $2400 to $2600.

In 1910 a Ford Model T cost $780. And in 1924 (100 years ago!) the price had declined to $290.

I remember reading about Henry Ford’s boast that anyone who worked in his factory making Model T’s could afford to buy one.

In 1911 there were no government incentives, subsidies or mandates to encourage or force people to buy electric cars. There were also no government incentives, subsidies or mandates to encourage or force people to buy ICE vehicles, yet somehow they managed to substantially replace horse-drawn vehicles on the world’s roads in a few decades, while electrics captured the market for golf carts and milk floats.

I really have no inherent objection to EVs (assuming that the manufacturers can work out how to stop them catching fire), but prospective buyers should be able to make a choice on a level playing field, free from distortions of the market by the nanny state.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Smart Rock
March 9, 2024 5:29 pm

I have a problem with EVs, because the sole reason they’re being built is the governments’ Godzilla-sized foot on the scale.

They simply are not viable replacements for ICE cars, and without government “incentives” nobody would be building them.

Lez Beanett
March 10, 2024 3:40 pm

In the last couple of years two car carrying ships have suffered major fires and either sunk or unrecoverable.
Blame for the fires has been put onto a single EV on each ship spontaneously combusting and spreading to other stored EV’s.
In essence 2 EV fires caused over a half a Billion dollars of ship and cargo losses.

One of the fires has been tracked down to an individual Porsche.

The rounds of legalities and court cases have started up with finger pointing by all the parties at each other.

Ultimately it will be Insurance companies who will have to cover the half a billion dollar loss.

In future, will insurance companies refuse to cover EV shipping? The car companies are blaming the shipping companies for poor practices and the shipping companies are blaming the car companies for shipping unsafe products. Will shipping companies refuse to carry EV’s without complete assurance and insurance from the car companies?

Imagine an EV catching fire in an underground carpark of a multi story building. A nightmare for fire services, building owners and their respective insurance companies.

Insurance companies might have the final say on the death knell of EV’s