Minding the Sciences—Wicked Science and Understanding Climate Change: Uncertainty, Risk, and Pragmatics

From MINDING THE CAMPUS

By Joe Nalven

Wicked problems need wicked science to, minimally, frame what is puzzling. Wickedness is not a moral judgment. Instead, it is tied to the limits of knowing—when rationality is encumbered by ambiguity and uncertainty and when control over the variables is limited or currently impossible. Predictions that emerge from modeling, especially those that reach decades into the future, cannot be adequately evaluated in the present, thus affecting whether such predictions have low, middling, or high confidence. The policymaker is left to choose between effective or ineffective programs based on blind faith, ideology, and hope. This is the arena where Judith Curry offers enlightenment about the stumbling blocks to robust climate science. As a seasoned climate scientist, she asks us to dwell on the uncertainty and risk in predicting climate change and, equally important, to understand the different policy principles used to enable programs to affect climate and its effects.

When I first studied climate in the 1980s, it was limited to air pollution policy in the San Diego-Tijuana air basin. The focus was on measurable pollutants, air transport, and stationary versus mobile sources. It was also about what a developed nation—United States—could address versus a developing nation—Mexico. The physical context aided policymakers in their transborder efforts at cooperation.

Over the decades, environmental policy concerns have shifted focus in a major way to climate change. Multiple disciplines are required—from ocean dynamics, volcanic activity, atmospheric processes, radiative activity from the sun to human activity along with geological, historical, and contemporary data sources to predict climate and its distributive manifestations next year, ten years, fifty years, and more into the future without, unfortunately, being able to include significant technological fixes. Indeed, a very different order of measurement and global understanding from my early experiences of a local, transborder location.

I am often surprised how California state and local entities craft policies they believe would put us on the path to addressing the complex dynamics of what we label climate change. Whether these efforts—a bullet train to and from small cities, banning the sale of gasoline cars by 2035, limiting the use of gas appliances, and similar aggressive policies—make real-world sense or whether they are a virtue-signaling crystal ball without a feasible way of measuring those efforts remains to be seen.

The question should be how a policy maker, and more importantly, the general public, can rationally judge whether the expenditure of large funds and regulating the daily lives of its citizenry are effective. This question requires metrics of whether CO2 is the primary cause of human-made climate change; whether the efforts in California and elsewhere make any measurable difference in a planet-wide climate; whether the costs in lifestyle and economic activity are equal to the benefits; whether policy efforts prove to be lawful within the legal framework of local, state, and national laws; whether innovative technology may prove to be a more straightforward and more cost-effective approach, and similar questions. Judging the “answers” to these questions requires an understanding of certainty and risk. Certainty, and the humbler approach of uncertainty, require metrics we can be confident about. And depending on those metrics, decisions require a gamble on what objectives are attainable and at what cost. Risk is a matter of perception—of individual residents, academics, policymakers, journalists, and pundits. Here, in the climate change arena, we need transparency about which metrics and risks deserve to be seen as scientific or simply guesses.

Judith Curry’s book, Climate Uncertainty and Risk, provides an important entry point into this discussion. She addresses a methodology for assessing risk, one that is generally avoided and misused. Instead, we often find policy and punditry based on slogans, memes and stereotypes. This latter approach makes it easier to argue for a policy X than for a policy Y. It also avoids understanding how “facts” emerge from a complex methodology.

It is worth taking Curry’s point of departure, acknowledging that climate and climate change require a sense of wickedness. Key to Curry’s approach is a dynamic adaptive decision-making approach than one based on static plans that are nearly impossible to implement.

Under conditions of deep uncertainty, static plans are likely to fail, become overly costly to protect against failure, or incapable of seizing opportunities. Alternatively, flexible plans can be designed that will adapt over time. In this way, a policy can be responsive to an evolving knowledge base and technologies.[1]

Curry provides the example of Germany and how its energy policies became counterproductive over time. The seemingly correct decision to phase out its nuclear plants by 2022 in the face of the Japanese Fukushima disaster in 2011 resulted in fairly rapid—given the crystal ball prediction of much greater timelines—negative consequences from having to restart coal fired plants to geopolitical instability with Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine.

While that example is well-known, Curry folds it into what ought to be fundamental to the contours of climate change—a wicked problem given the multiple physical systems involved in its analysis—and the contours of policymaking—given the wickedness of uncertainty and risk entailed by factors inside and outside of policies that aim to fix questionable predictions about the current and future environment. Curry provides a careful history and understanding of risk analysis with attendant cautionary and precautionary principles and how these are weighted to problems with different degrees of confidence of what is actually and what is poorly known, and perhaps even guesses. The problem of policymaking becomes even more wicked once one moves from memes and slogans to scientific inquiry.

Curry does not leave us with a Hamlet-type problem of tragic delay of whether to act or not to act. She is not using the thoroughness of risk analysis as a partisan tactic in the face of uncertainties. Unfortunately, scientists who speak of wicked climate change problems are painted as denialists rather than what they are—climate pragmatists. Climate pragmatism offers adaptive solutions that can address local effects. Bjorn Lomborg, author of False Alarm, is well-known for this approach.

Curry provides a useful section illustrating climate pragmatism with several examples of adaptation and maladaptation. Bangladesh has a longstanding problem with flooding and rising sea levels—partly understandable as land subsidence from groundwater withdrawal, partly from land reclamation that creates a funneling effect—and the damage from storm surges during tropical cyclones. With technical assistance from CFAN, the company Curry is with after leaving the academy, a flood forecasting system was developed for the Ganges and Brahmaputra Rivers that was incorporated into a cell phone warning system. The result was evacuation and early harvesting efforts. Curry notes that Bangladesh has also chosen a fruitful development path against the advice of NGOs and global environmental groups by continuing to use its natural gas resources, thereby extending the time framework with which it can eventually implement an energy transition and not undermine the well-being of its citizens in the interim.

One would be naïve if this book was accepted as a rational and thoughtful approach to a useful policy and science interface. As anyone mildly familiar with climate change analysis and policy, there are barriers that Curry and similar climate pragmatists face—delusion, illusion, hysteria, manipulation, implausibility, and bad actors. Curry resists such characterizations. At most, Curry shows that a better-to-be-safe-than-sorry mindset can end up with one that makes us more sorry than safe. How does that common-sense wisdom get expressed in risk analysis? Compare two guiding principles: the proactionary principle and the precautionary principle. These are two mindsets at play in how we see climate change hazards and risks:

The proactionary principle is designed to bridge the gap between no caution and the precautionary principle. The precautionary principle [safety at all costs] enforces a static world view that attempts to eliminate risk, whereas the proactionary principle [openminded, innovative] promotes a dynamic worldview that [in turn] promotes human development and risk-taking that produces the leaps in knowledge that have improved our world. The proactionary principle allows for handling the mixed effects of any innovation through compensation and remediation instead of prohibition. [citation] Rather than attempting to avoid risk, the risk is embraced and managed. The proactionary principle [values a] calculated risk-taking as essential to human progress.[2]

Curry’s robust approach that underwrites her climate pragmatism makes sense to many, and yet, there is a mindset that acts as a psychological barrier—one that has underwritten international treaties and goal setting out of proportion to the risk analysis laid out by Curry. Curry draws on the work of Cass Sunstein, a behavioral economist and legal scholar, to identify “cognitive mechanisms” that channel thinking into a narrow instead of a broad perspective about risk. This narrow view plays out in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), where precaution overwhelms a balanced judgment:  “Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty should not be used as a reason for postponing such measures . . . ensur[ing] global benefits at the lowest possible cost.”[3] (Emphasis added).

The psychological barrier to climate pragmatism has yet to overwhelm all nations—witness aggressive fossil fuel development in China and India—or popular sentiment that rejects climate extremism. This barrier deserves more extensive treatment since it forms a significant wedge against climate pragmatism.[4]

Reading Curry’s analysis could lower the anxiety of those who cling to untested, and possibly, illusory solutions. A close reading of Climate Uncertainty and Risk could temper the overreach of climate justice warriors, leaving room for needed appreciation for climate pragmatism.

I recently observed a climate justice warrior propounding an end-of-the-world eschatology.  The facts—actually a proposed hypotheses—were sufficient to move several teenagers in attendance to express their anxiety about what would happen in the near future. The climate justice advocate dwelled on the “tipping points” we apparently faced. It was a beguiling end-of-the-world prediction. The actual scientific assessment of this scenario was not disclosed nor open to discussion.

The IPCC AR5 considered a number of potential tipping points, including ice sheet collapse, collapse of the Atlantic overturning circulation, and carbon release from permafrost thawing. Every single catastrophic considered by the IPCC AR5 has a rating of very unlikely or exceptionally unlikely and/or has low confidence.[5] (Emphasis in the original).

Curry’s approach stands in stark contrast to the overreach and catastrophizing by climate justice warriors. Those warriors and their acolytes are unlikely to be persuaded by Curry’s pragmatic, but seemingly slower, approach to a changing climate.

There is no magic wand, no scientific alchemy, that can easily upend cognitive catastrophizing about weather events.

The disconnect between historical data for the past 100 years and climate model-based projections of worsening extreme weather events presents a real conundrum regarding the basis on which to assess risk and make policies when theory and historical data are in such disagreement.[6]

Curry’s book could offer an antidote to the extremes in public thought, to the pundits who misinform them and to those policymakers who fail to address climate change issues in a robust and informed way. Despite this pessimistic outlook, Curry has planted the flag on the ground of what climate science ought to be.


[1] Curry, 221

[2] Curry, 198

[3] Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, Principle 15, U.N. Doc. A/CONF. 151/26 (Aug. 12, 1992)

[4] Note that Curry has written about this separately on her blog, Climate Etc. Victims of the faux climate crisis, Part 1: Children

[5] Curry, 11

[6] Ibid.

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Stephen Wilde
March 8, 2024 11:27 pm

Perhaps there are too many people with not enough to do overthinking everything and getting paid by taxpayers to do so.
all that is really required is to accept the limits to knowledge and accept that much is out of government control.

M14NM
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
March 9, 2024 6:10 pm

Government in the West has gone past its tipping-point in acknowledging that anything is beyond their control. Hubris is the order of the day.

Neil Lock
March 9, 2024 12:04 am

The problem with the precautionary principle, in my view, is that it has been perverted by those with political axes to grind. The principle started out as “Look before you leap,” or even “First, do no harm.” But it has been perverted, as Judith Curry says, into “safety at all costs.” I think this was deliberately done, in order to provide apparent “justification” for political actions that certain parties found desirable.

I take the view that, if there isn’t any objective evidence of damage, you should not require anyone to do or to pay anything. After all, you wouldn’t put someone in jail for murder if there was no evidence that they had killed anyone. Would you? The perversion of the precautionary principle has been a very subtle ploy, which at the same time inverts the burden of proof, destroys the presumption of innocence, and forces the accused to prove a negative. We should identify, those responsible, and bring them to justice for what they have done to us and to our civilization.


Rod Evans
Reply to  Neil Lock
March 9, 2024 12:43 am

Good luck with the bringing them to justice option.
The recent Mann versus Steyn case demonstrated, the courts are not independent. There, in a case that evolved over twelve years, no evidence of wrong was presented by Mann. Yet the jury found in favour of Mann, all be it by $1 compensation. So as clear a case of action dismissed as it gets. Yet that same jury were asked to make an example of what happens when an Climate Alarmist celebrity is challenged, so they imposed a fine on Steyn of $1 million in punitive damages?
So having proven no harm was done to Mann, the legal system felt obliged to introduce sufficient pain to prevent anyone trying to speak truth to power again.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 9, 2024 2:34 am

Your statement is very true. They brought a lawsuit against Trump where there were no victims and no fraud. A crooked judge deemed Trump guilty and fined him more than a half a billion dollars. If there was no financial lost, then the penalty should be a multiple of the fraud–which is zero. We are dealing with full fledged Communists and Fascist. If I used the “N” word (related to Hitler), then apparently any argument would be automatically lost–

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Jim Masterson
March 9, 2024 2:35 am

I wanted to add Godwin’s Law, but my comment posted before I could finish. (Thank-you Windows!!!!)

Reply to  Neil Lock
March 9, 2024 2:54 am

precautionary principle, in my view, is that it has been perverted”
Indeed!

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Reply to  David Pentland
March 9, 2024 4:23 am

“There are no solutions, only tradeoffs”

Thomas Sowell

Richard Greene
Reply to  Neil Lock
March 9, 2024 4:11 am

The precautionary principle is BS

It says “do what I say even if I am wrong”

It is a tool of fascists and dictators.

“Measure twice and cut once” is good advice.

George Daddis
Reply to  Neil Lock
March 9, 2024 6:39 am

Yes!
Prior to the Rio Conference my understanding of the precautionary principle was simply “If you are considering substantial change and don’t understand all of the possible outcomes, DON’T DO IT!”

Richard Greene
March 9, 2024 4:09 am

This biased “love story” about Judith Curry made me nauseous.

After all her pontificating on uncertainty and risk, Ms. Curry is a hypocrite

On her blog she has repeatedly stated that climate change (CO2 emissions) are a problem that must be solved.

When I repeatedly asked in her comment section why climate change was a problem, she either ignored my question or responded with a word salad that did not answer my question.

Ms. Curry is obviously a lukewarmers and lukewarmers are losers.

They agree with Climate Howlers that CO2 emissions are a problem but only debate about how fast action needs to be taken to reduce CO2 emissions

The Climate Howlers ALWAYS win that debate by saying “why take a chance by waiting or going slow?”.

Ms. Cury has a climate related business. In my opinion she is financially compromised by this conflict of interest. She needs to earn a living.

That is the only explanation of why her r video interviews and book do not match what she writes online.

People who have two opinions on a subject are politicians, not scientists.

More CO2 in the atmosphere has been good news

Global warming has been good news

If you really think more CO2 AND MORE WARMING IS A PROBLEM THAT MUST BE SOLVED, THEN AT LEAST HAVE THE COURTESY TO TELL US WHY, MS. CURRY

sherro01
Reply to  Richard Greene
March 9, 2024 5:08 am

Richard Greene,
You really are peculiar if you seek to exclude scientific research from people who are self-employed or who work for an industry that provides what society demands, such as the raw materials for making electricity.
What evidence to you have that a person paid by Greenpeace can be designated free of influence, while a person doing similar work in the employ of Exxon should be considered tainted?
You might consider biting your tongue when you smear people. I, for one, have not found cause to denigrate Dr Curry’s work. Quite the opposite, I have found it valuable and I hope that the same applies to all who have the pleasure to study it.
Geoff S

Scissor
Reply to  sherro01
March 9, 2024 6:17 am

Yes, considered thought is typically good. Dr. Curry tries to get at questions around attribution and especially the uncertainties of natural vs. man-made warming. Richard Greene asks good fundamental questions, however, why is more CO2 bad and why would more warming be bad?

The climate activists relate the latter with the former, and then they conflate all things bad with warming. To a degree (pun intended), Curry is a lukewarmer and assigns at least some blame to CO2.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Scissor
March 9, 2024 8:14 am

Richard Greene asks good fundamental questions, however, why is more CO2 bad and why would more warming be bad?

Thank you
My basic question is:

The past 48 years of global warming has been good news for Earth’s climate, despite 100% bad news predictions, so why would the anpther 48 years of global warming be bad news?

The follow up question would be about the logarithmic effect of CO2

Reply to  Scissor
March 9, 2024 11:46 am

Those who still believe, without being able to produce evidence, that enhanced atmospheric CO2 causes warming…

… are also lukewarmers… they are still supporting the AGW cult.

Richard Greene
Reply to  sherro01
March 9, 2024 8:07 am

I thought you hated my posts and would no longer read them … and warned me to never respond to your posts. I had intended to never respond to your posts to meet your demand … but now I must. If you want me to avoid responding to your future comments, please do not respond to my comments. Otherwise, we might get into a verbal battle that makes Bill Johnston versus Jennifer Marohasy’s verbal battles look like child’s play.

When I listened to several Judith Curry interviews / presentations to politicians with online videos, I was impressed that she never claimed CO2 emissions were a problem that had to be fixed. Her book may have a similar message.

But I have read MANY Curry articles online at her website that claimed CO2 emissions were a problem that had to be fixed.

Each time I asked a simple polite question in the comment thread: ‘Why do you think CO2 emissions are a problem that must be fixed’. She responded several times but failed to answer the question. Evaded the question like a politician.

I divide scientists into four categories:

(1) CO2 emissions are a problem that must be solved

(2) CO2 emissions are not a problem

(3) CO2 emissions benefit our planet and should not be restricted

(4) I do not know the long term effects of CO2 emissions.

I am in category (3)

I respect categories (2) and (4)

I oppose category (1), as do many readers here

Judith Curry is in category (1) based on her own articles and that makes her a loser in my mind. I do not care how nice she is, or how well versed she is about risk and uncertainty

In my 26 years of climate and energy reading, Curry is the ONLY scientist I know of who presents different opinions on CO2 emissions to different audiences.

The only explanation for that behavior I could think of is her need to make money from a climate related busines, where most potential customers would not be reading her conservative website. That may not be the actual reason, but it is a logical possibility.

I am not comparing Curry to leftists in Greenpeace or leftist government employees. They have their wrong leftist climate change beliefs. But those beliefs do not change with the audience.

March 9, 2024 7:46 am

Article says:”This question requires metrics of whether CO2 is the primary cause…”

Ok. What is the emissivity of CO2 at temperatures from 15 C down to -20 C and pressure of 1 atmosphere down to 0.5 atmosphere at present partial pressure.

March 9, 2024 12:03 pm

The precautionary principle is simple, if there might be a risk involved don’t do whatever it is you are proposing to do or if you perceive a possible risk mitigate against that risk real or not. That’s a poor way to live life. It is however, the way the government, that is, government scientists, government officials and the government itself, approached the risks of the Covid pandemic and health professionals and officials have let them, if not cheered them on. And then they abandoned the principle when the “vaccines” came on the scene. They are doing the same thing with “climate change”.
What then of the Hippocratic Oath? The precept, “first do no harm” is not found in that oath. What the original oath does say is, “With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage.”. It goes on, “Nor shall any man’s entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so.” Those two sentences encompass “first do no harm”.
The precautionary principle and the precept are not mutually exclusive nor are they the same. Instead they complement each other when properly applied.The problem with the principle is that it has one dimension, is there or might there be, a risk in doing what ever it is you propose to do. It fails to take into account the effect of not doing something. That is where the precept comes into play. Will either course of action or non-action actually cause harm versus a possible risk of harm.

Reply to  Nansar07
March 9, 2024 12:20 pm

For the full post re this subject go to https://conservativeskeptic.blogspot.com/2022/01/precautionary-principle-vs-first-do-no.html, its about the C and V words so I didn’t post it all here

March 9, 2024 12:20 pm

I feel like taking issue with the term “wicked science”. She uses “wicked” in a novel way that does not convey her meaning to the great majority of readers. In fact, I have a hard time grasping what her meaning actually is, even when she explains it.

Apologies to Dr. Curry, whose heart is definitely in the right place, but whose writing isn’t very accessible to me. If she intends her messages to be understood by non-scientists, or even by scientists from other fields, she needs a bit of help with her writing. I hereby volunteer my services.

March 9, 2024 12:35 pm

Science requires honest metrology, which especially includes measurement uncertainty. There is very little of this in climate science.

March 9, 2024 6:55 pm

I am often surprised how California state and local entities craft policies.

It’s no surprise. They always take more money from residents. It can’t come from anywhere else. California is 10% when you earn it and 10% when you spend it, plus fees and fines.

March 9, 2024 8:09 pm

I don’t have the references so can’t produce an exact quote but I’m sure I’m not the only one who has read such from the fanatics.
‘Even if the theory of CO2 control is ultimately proven to be false, we will be doing the right thing for the world.’

How much further from the principles of reason, enlightenment, and scientific principles is it possible to get?

March 9, 2024 11:13 pm

The Earth is in a 2.56 million-year ice named the Quaternary Glaciation with 20+ percent of the land frozen. Politicians shouldn’t be frightened of it moving back to normal temperatures.