John Kerry Devastated at House hearing on Climate by Scott Perry

Rep. Scott Perry (R-Penn.) flattens Biden climate envoy John Kerry at today’s House Foreign Affairs’ Subcommittee on Oversight and Accountability hearing. You haven’t heard anyone confront Kerry or any other climate clown like Perry does, calling him a “grifter” and asking why he wants to spend $1.6 quadrillion on something that is not a problem.

From JunkScience.com


For more information on emissions in context go to EverythingClimate.com

Addendum:

Let’s give a shout out to to Lord Monckton and ourselves for this gem appearing in the hearing.

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TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 10:07 am

Thank goodness there’s nothing else happening in the world re climate. We can concentrate solely on Rep Perry’s great wisdom.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 10:14 am

Tru dat.

son of mulder
Reply to  Mr.
July 17, 2023 2:03 pm

The climate is chaotic. No one has the foggiest idea what will happen beyond 2-3 days. That’s why medium range weather forecasting is so unrealiable.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas that warms, it raises Tmin like a blanket slows cooling. SO2 is a gas that causes warming by its removal in the Clean Air Acts, causing less cloud and greater insolation which increases Tmax but you never see that acknowledged.

Clouds can’t be modelled, a slight increase in cloud reduces insolation dramatically. Warming increases cloud through greater evaporation.

The oceans can’t be modelled. The warm water currently in the Atlantic didn’t get there by warming in the Atlantic, it flowed their as a current from warmer regions. Another year it’ll be colder. It has a dramatic impact on European weather.

This is just basic undergrad applied maths/physics. There may be 97% of “scientists” saying we’re doomed but how many even really understand the basic Physics, Chemistry and Maths of Climate and chaos?.
.

son of mulder
Reply to  son of mulder
July 17, 2023 2:06 pm

And what sort of Scientist adjust historical temperature records to exagerate warming?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  son of mulder
July 17, 2023 6:09 pm

The data mannipulators should be described as dangerous, destructive, scoundrels.

Pat Frank
Reply to  son of mulder
July 17, 2023 3:20 pm

It’s actually 97% of John Cook and Stephan Lewandowski.

bnice2000
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 17, 2023 4:03 pm

D & Z then deliberately re-fabricated their result. (or was it the other way around.)

George Daddis
Reply to  bnice2000
July 20, 2023 8:05 am

D & Z publicly set out to prove an Oreske’s suggestion in an opinion piece that most scientists believed in the Global Warming hypothesis.
They sent out 10,000 questionnaires to “geoscientists”, got back 3,000 replies and then weeded them down to less than 100, with the requirement that those selected have “Climate Scientist” as a title.

Mr.
Reply to  Mr.
July 17, 2023 2:47 pm

I see that my effort at reverse sarcasm didn’t register with 23 readers.

Fancy being down voted on a response to a TFN comment.

I may have to commit seppuku to rid my shame.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Mr.
July 17, 2023 3:18 pm

You should be proud!

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:34 pm

Not if that requires me to participate in a colorful parade of some sort.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:04 pm

You should be proud!”

And you should be embarrassed at your lack of basic awareness !

Richard Page
Reply to  Mr.
July 17, 2023 3:32 pm

I should just like to take a moment to say I got it!

corev
Reply to  Richard Page
July 17, 2023 4:46 pm

Me too!

ATheoK
Reply to  Mr.
July 17, 2023 5:23 pm

When you respond with a straight comment, we have zero clue that you intend sarcasm.

Even your seppuku comment fails. “Seppuku” is ‘cutting the belly’, apparently you believe we will somehow assume otherwise because you are ashamed?

The downvote remains for you believing that ‘your’ sarcasm is obvious to everyone.

Mr.
Reply to  ATheoK
July 17, 2023 7:44 pm

Who took the jam out if your doughnut, AtheoK?

bobpjones
Reply to  Mr.
July 18, 2023 7:57 am

😂😂😂

Tony Sullivan
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 10:24 am

Well since you used “world” (as if there is a world climate) go argue your position with China, India, Africa and other nations enjoying economic prosperity for the first time and let us know how it goes for you.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Tony Sullivan
July 17, 2023 10:52 am

They never do.

Shoki
Reply to  Tony Sullivan
July 17, 2023 10:56 am

Better yet, go protest in Tiananmen Square. Be especially loud and forceful. I’m sure you’ll make a difference.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Tony Sullivan
July 17, 2023 12:08 pm

Think China set a new record high temperature in the last day or so. Radio silence at WUWT, the world’s most viewed site on climate.

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 12:39 pm

So what? In January this year China set a new record low temperature – radio silence from you and your alarmist cronies. Now you want adulation just for saying it got warmer? You are flippin’ obsessed with warm temperatures, aren’t you – you need help, TFN.

spren
Reply to  Richard Page
July 17, 2023 2:49 pm

But Richard, you’re forgetting that the record cold temperature was just weather, but the new high temperature is climate.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
July 17, 2023 3:27 pm

I’m just wondering why a climate site is ignoring all the current climate news. Aren’t you? If not, why not?

Scissor
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:33 pm

Come back in 30 years if you want climate news.

Margaret
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 6:42 pm

Surely 30 years is just oceanic oscillations – extended weather patterns? 150 years would be more like climate if the Modern Warming is not yet over (sure hope not).

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:36 pm

Climate does not equate to temperature you ignoramus. I’m sure WUWT would look at weather phenomena as it always has done but this unhealthy obsession of yours with warm temperatures is ridiculous.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:06 pm

“all the current climate news”

Because most of that news is proven to be just HYPE and propaganda.

Sorry you are incapable..

….

of telling the difference between what is real and what isn’t..

Tim Gorman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:06 pm

It’s not climate news, IT’S WEATHER NEWS!

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:26 pm

That someplace somewhere is setting a high or low temperaure record is not news. It happens every day, usually in hundreds of places every day.
The only thing newsworthy is how those who know nothing about science or statistics are trying to turn this meaningless fact into something they can use to promote their agenda.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 6:19 pm

What current climate news are you talking about? The weather hype on the news?

So are you going to give us the names of places that had a new high temperature? To be fair, you should also give us the names of the places that did not experience a new high temperature. To put things in perspective, don’t you see.

WUWT covers as much of this climate change alarmist weather hyperbole as possible. So much weather hype, and so little time.

The Climate Change Doomsday rhetoric is over the top, and completely divorced from reality.

There is no climate crisis according to the actual data.

rah
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 8:04 pm

Proof you don’t know the difference between climate and weather.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 8:30 pm

and I just came back to this post to see what your rational response was to Richard’s comment about China’s record COLD events were, TFN.

?

Graemethecat
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 18, 2023 6:09 am

I’m just wondering why a climate site is ignoring all the current climate weather newsAren’t you? If not, why not?

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Richard Page
July 17, 2023 3:51 pm

Yeah but that was Climate Change, this is Climate Armageddon. With heat firebombs, thuderdomes, heatwave slyvester, and a strong breeze calling Archimedes because we’re all screwed

Rich Davis
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:28 pm

Rusty, Rusty, Rusty!
Y A W N!!!!

Imagine that, a high temperature record. That’s just unprecedented. Bless your little heart.

And warm in New England. Wow, we’ve never seen that before.

It’s almost as if it were summer in the Northern Hemisphere.

MarkW
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 17, 2023 3:23 pm

Given that there are hundreds of thousands of temperature stations around the world.
Given that most of these are well less than 100 years old.

Nobody should be surprised that on any given day, there are thousands of stations setting all time highs. Just as on any given day there will be thousands setting all time lows.
(Of course there will be an excess of all time highs being set during the northern hemispherical summer, since there is more land and hence more recording stations in the northern hemisphere.)

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:59 pm

Please show pictures of the weather station where this temperature was measured.. It is bound to be a highly compromised surface site !

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 2:41 pm

Probably loads of jets landing around it.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:43 pm

More likely to be urban expansion.

Great to see you finally figuring out that surface sites are meaningless for comparison over time.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:24 pm

In other words, you have no idea about the quality of the station that you are citing.
You really should be ashamed of yourself.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  MarkW
July 17, 2023 3:36 pm

I admit it, I rely on the scientists to sort that stuff out. Communists as they all are….

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:08 pm

Certainly, you could NEVER rely on yourself for any rational thought process or grasp of reality.

Now, produce the site..

…. or don’t ! 😉

bnice2000
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 5:30 pm

Here is a good example of a Chinese “weather” station.

LOL..!

chinese weather station..jpg
MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:30 pm

The butt hurt is high with you TFN.
First you post something completely untrue as well as utterly meaningless, then you whine endlessly. You can’t even be bothered to actually quote anyone accurately.
You are the perfect example of a climate warrior, ignorant, arrogant and completely childish.

Rich Davis
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 5:21 pm

I think you meant the climastrologers didn’t you Rusty?

Rich Davis
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 5:32 pm

I’ve been to Beijing in July and it is hot HOT. Do you suppose that one of the biggest and fastest-growing cities in the world might have a smidge of urban heat island effect?

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 18, 2023 11:35 am

It really is sad the way climate alarmists define “scientist” as anyone who agrees with them.
There are no climate scientists, there are a lot of people who are paid to promote the global warming myth.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:00 pm

Came across this doozy

The reports reveal that the northern areas of China have experienced the most hot days which includes the capital Beijing. 10 days of temperatures above 35C was recorded in Beijing this year which is said to be the longest heatwave since 1961.”

Oh, so there was a long heat wave in 1961.. 😉

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 3:26 pm

Not just was there a heat wave in 1961, it was longer than the current heat wave.
I’m willing to bet that the population of Beijing was only a tiny percentage of what it is today, back then.

Scissor
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 3:35 pm

On my first trip to China, air conditioning was a rare thing, it was summer and it was hot and humid.

KAT
Reply to  bnice2000
July 19, 2023 3:27 am

“Oh, so there was a long heat wave in 1961.. “

Atmospheric CO2 measured at Mauna Lau was +/- 318 ppm in 1961.
Possibly CO2 does not have much to do with heatwaves?

Just saying

DonM
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:13 pm

In a world where the temperature varies by more than 150 degrees every day of the year, new recorded highs or lows will be the standard, not the exception.

In areas such as the one you are referencing, at 500 feet below sea level, likely has 60 degree daily swings. Areas such as this should also be expected to have ongoing new highs and lows in the record history.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  DonM
July 17, 2023 2:42 pm

It’s a question of averaging, Don.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:27 pm

Then why didn’t you average it? Or is it just that you don’t know how?

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:23 pm

It’s a question of averaging”

Poor FN .. clueless as always.

You are too mathematically naive to have any clue how the surface data is fabricated.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:20 pm

Of course a single day high temperature reading is no or less meaningful than a single day cold record reading.
Beyond that only the statistically illiterate would claim that there is anything at all meaningful in a single day’s high temperature reading for a country. Especially one with as short and as questionable a climate record as China.

BTW, I love it when leftists get bent out of shape because nobody else cares about the things that matter to it.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  MarkW
July 17, 2023 3:42 pm

So average all the daily temperatures… That’s what the scientists do. It’s not that hard a concept, for most.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:12 pm

They don’t average the daily temperatures. They find the mid-range value of the temperature. Since the daytime temps are primarily sinusoidal and the nighttime temps are exponential/polynomial decays, the mid-range temp is *NOT* an average temp in any way, shape, or form.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:21 pm

Poor FN…

…You have just proven that you have zero clue how the surface data is fabricated.

But we already knew that….

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:35 pm

First off, you are the one who has been claiming that a single record high at a single sensor was meaningful. I don’t see you doing any averaging.
As to your belief that all one has to do is average, that just further demonstrates how incredibly ignorant you are about even the most basis of science.
First off, not all sensors are the same, how do you plan or “averaging” a sensor that records temperatures every hour with one that only records a single daily high and daily low?
Some areas of the planet are well covered with sensors, other areas have few sensors. Yet other areas have no sensors whatsoever. How do you plan on “averaging” those sensors together to create a meaningful result?
There are other issues such as changing equipment, and missing data.
How do you plan on dealing with those kinds of issues.

All you have to do is think for a minute, and you would realize how incredibly stupid you make yourself sound. But therein lies the problem, you never do stop to think, you just echo what you heard in class, engaging brain simply isn’t necessary.

ATheoK
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 5:37 pm

So average all the daily temperatures… That’s what the scientists do.”

That is not what real “scientists do”.

Dr. John F. Clauser, joint recipient of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, has criticized the climate emergency narrative calling it “a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.”

Nobel Laureate for work on photons at quantum levels is a real scientist.

You’re alleged scientists? Here is what their faux accomplishments actually are:

“CLIMATE SCIENCE HAS METASTASIZED INTO MASSIVE SHOCK-JOURNALISTIC PSEUDOSCIENCE” 

Tim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
July 17, 2023 4:10 pm

Depending on the measurement uncertainty of that station how sure are we that there was actually a record set? When was the last time it was calibrated?

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 17, 2023 4:36 pm

I didn’t want to confuse poor TFN by dumping too much reality on him at one time.

ATheoK
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 17, 2023 6:03 pm

When was the last time it was calibrated?”

Since, NOAA assumes the factory calibrated their equipment, probably never.

What’s in that MMTS Beehive Anyway?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  ATheoK
July 18, 2023 3:50 am

Hubbard and Lin found in 2002 that microclimate plays a HUGE part in temperature measurement station calibration. Winter/summer in most of the world sees a big change in microclimate thus in the station calibration. Yet NASA/NOAA/NWS and the CAGW cult all assume the station is calibrated perfectly ALL THE TIME. They assume measurement uncertainty is effectively zero since they never, ever, give an uncertainty interval for their measurments!

rah
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 18, 2023 4:06 pm

Try looking at a weather map sometime fool.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1SyPnuaAAAZAUB?format=png&name=medium

Redge
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 10:40 am

How about refuting Perry with data, not opinion?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Redge
July 17, 2023 12:19 pm

Like temperature data? You’ll only say it’s made up.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 12:46 pm

Thing is, we now know the CA data was made up.

You really don’t pay any attention to anything do you.

Too busy with your chicken-little routine !

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 2:42 pm

See?

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:29 pm

Assuming bad motives on the part of your opponents is so much easier than actually defending your claims, isn’t it.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:11 pm

See?”

Again, no counter to the facts.

Why is that, FN ??

Energywise
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 12:47 pm

If it’s from the UK Met Office, it very likely is

186no
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:05 pm

OK, if you consider that data rebuttal to be “made up”, walk us deniers through the actuality of Kerry’s “98% of scientists” comment – tell us all EXACTLY the amount, rounding up numbers as you choose, NUMERICALLY those “98% of scientists” represents. And when you have done that, if you are truthful and don’t try and dodge that, apply that reasoning to the rest of your zealotry; let us all know how you get on.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:07 pm

Temperature data shows no warming since the 2015/16 El Nino

Shows no warming from 2001 to 2015

Shows basically no warming from 1980 -1997.

Is that the temperature data you mean?

Or do you mean the manically adjusted urban heat and aircraft based, unfit for purpose, surface fabrications ?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 1:35 pm

Endless pauses

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Scissor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 1:58 pm

The Little Ice Age ended around 1850, thankfully.

MarkW
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 3:31 pm

Whatever caused the world to warm out of the Little Ice Age stopped in 1950 and CO2 took over.
How do we know this.
Why the models have proven it.
At least that’s what the alarmists want us to believe.

Scissor
Reply to  MarkW
July 17, 2023 3:38 pm

Virtually everything is cherry picked or corrupted to support their fear narrative.

antigtiff
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 1:58 pm

1940 to 1980 …..avg. temp went down and CO2 went up 15%. Why? Every year there is a record temp(s) hot or cold set somewhere….so what? Earth’s record hot temp was set over a century ago and the cold record is only decades old.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:03 pm

Oh dear, Nick now using faked surface data from Berkeley

Disingenuous as always.!

You poor clown.., you do know that junk doesn’t remotely resemble anything REAL, don’t you !

Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 2:22 pm

So where did you get “real” surface data? Or did you just make it up?

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:46 pm

Or did you just make it up?”

Nope, I’ll leave to the likes of Berkeley, GISS etc

The trend in UAH matches the trend in the only pristine surface data, also matches balloon data.

I suggest we stick to using that for time-based comparisons.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 5:01 pm

OK, Monckton’s new pause, which he won’t be able to hold for more than a month or two more, is 0.2C higher then his old pause, which ended about 9 years ago. 0.2C/decade is about the predicted level of warming at the surface.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 5:14 pm

WOW !!

0.2ºC.. Let us all PANIC like headless chicken-littles !

Glad you now realise there has been two pauses (three actually)

In fact, nearly all the UAH record has been “zero trend”

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 5:43 pm

which he won’t be able to hold for more than a month or two more,”

Are you saying there is an El Nino coming, that will provide a warming spike or step. (like the previous 2 major El Ninos)

Maybe you are finally seeing the reality of the situation. !

You do realise that you are basically admitting that you KNOW it is nothing to do with enhanced atmospheric CO2 !

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 3:32 pm

There isn’t any real surface data, it’s mostly made up.

Mike
Reply to  MarkW
July 17, 2023 5:43 pm

There isn’t any real surface data, it’s mostly made up.”
For real temps use UAH and verify it with radiosonde I posted above. Surface ”temperatures” are for the entertainment of alarmists only.

MarkW
Reply to  Mike
July 18, 2023 11:45 am

In my defense, UAH isn’t a surface record.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 6:29 pm

How about NOAA STAR that now matches UAH.

Ronald Havelock
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:26 pm

Look at that, a whole degree in 50 years! Wow, time to panic! and ,btw, what caused it? Oh, it must be CO2! What else could it possibly be? John Kerry, I voted for you once. I now have to ask myself, why did I vote for such a jerk?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ronald Havelock
July 17, 2023 5:46 pm

You voted for Lurch? Sorry, you’re disqualified.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:32 pm

The Theory is that Man’s CO2 causes temperatures to rise.
Man’s CO2 has risen at a steady rate.
If the Theory is correct, there shouldn’t be any such long “pauses”.
Why all the pauses?

doonman
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 17, 2023 10:02 pm

CO2 back radiation takes numerous vacations. The only time it is working hard is after El Nino’s. The data shows it prevents El Nino spiked temperatures from returning to the previous values. It is odd physics, but it is what it is.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:49 pm

Endless pauses”

Yes Nick.. apart from the two major El Ninos

An endless pause since 1980

39 years of pause out of 45 years.

Mike
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 5:36 pm

”Endless pauses” =
Endless bullshit. 1970 was not half a degree cooler than 2000

co2 journal of geophysical research..GIF
mkelly
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:25 pm

TFN the congressman had a bar graph made from a government agency and it showed no change over some time. What data are you talking about?

Redge
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:03 pm

You’ll only say it’s made up.

You have no idea what I or anyone else will say.

If you present verifiable temperature data that is not cherry-picked to suit your agenda, I’m sure people here will evaluate the data in good faith

Go ahead TFN, let’s see what you’ve got

Sunsettommy
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:26 pm

Thank you for admitting you have no counterpoint.

Carry on……

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:29 pm

You can’t even be bothered to tell us what city this alleged high temperature record was made in, so that nobody else can check up on it.
Regardless of whether it was made up or not, you have been schooled as to why it doesn’t mean what you want it to mean. Not that you will take the lesson to heart.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
July 17, 2023 3:50 pm

“The remote Sanbao Township in Turpan depression, a deep mountain basin in Xinjiang.” Chances are that TFN hasn’t a clue where it was recorded or what the specific climate conditions of the township were when the temperatures were recorded. And no, TFN, when I say ‘climate’ I do not mean ‘temperature’.

M14NM
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 18, 2023 10:32 pm

You respond like a child. A not very bright one at that.

Energywise
Reply to  Redge
July 17, 2023 12:47 pm

They can’t, it’s impossible, like the Penrose Triangle

Ronald Havelock
Reply to  Redge
July 17, 2023 2:18 pm

Perry has the data, all right, but he is hopelessly clumsy about using it to make his point. Kerry could be knocked down on all his airy claims, old chestnuts about 97% of “scientists” etc. Opportunity missed, again!

Redge
Reply to  Ronald Havelock
July 17, 2023 9:21 pm

There’s on;y so much you can do given limited time to make your point

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 10:45 am

Not so much Perry’s wisdom but Kerry’s ignorance. Actually, both. If Kerry can’t respond intelligently and he’s “the man” regarding this issue- no wonder the “alarmists” don’t have a case.

Scissor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 17, 2023 11:33 am

It’s not clear if Kerry understands that carbon dioxide is the basic building block of all life. He says some things indicating that he doesn’t understand this.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 1:48 pm

all I know about him is that he pays $700 for haircuts- I can’t respect a guy who is that concerned about his looks even if he says smart things

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 17, 2023 3:35 pm

I remember stories about Sam Walton and his driving himself around town in a 30 year old pick up truck.

bnice2000
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 17, 2023 4:52 pm

concerned about his looks even if he says smart things”

looks = lurch-like with a total lack of basic intelligence.

… and has probably never said a smart thing in his life !

antigtiff
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 2:01 pm

Ask Kerry what he is personally doing to reduce CO2 since he claims life on earth is hanging by a thread? He is creating more CO2 than thousands of average citizens.

DonM
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 2:20 pm

Didn’t he also, at one time, try to explain that there was a thin band of CO2 up there (like a shell) …?

I can’t find this now. It would be good to quote him in one of these hearings and ask him if he is, now, just as sure of his ‘facts’ as he was back then.

(Same for Suzuki and the ‘carbon in the car glass is why your car gets so hot’).

DonM
Reply to  Scissor
July 18, 2023 6:41 am

Thx … everyone should watch Kerry:

‘Even little kids can understand this … a CO2 blanket a 1/2 inch thick … way up at the top of the atmosphere … warms us like a greenhouse’

This was only 9 years ago. Kerry is deluded; and a compartment moron.

eastbaylarry
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 10:03 pm

Perhaps Kerry is an extraterrestrial and not a carbon-based lifeform.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 17, 2023 3:14 pm

So that’s true enough. They have no case. No case at all.

And…

THEY ARE WINNING!

“BIGLY”

Why? Because we’re not participating in a science exam. The alarmists are using science-free emotional appeals.

Meanwhile we’re busy squabbling among ourselves over scientific details that no normal human being cares about.

bnice2000
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 17, 2023 4:13 pm

“The alarmists are using science-free emotional appeals.”

And the gullible and chronically anti-educated, like FN, fall for it every time.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 10:50 am

There is nothing else happening as to climate. Far as I can tell the climate is normal. Pretty well the same as it was in 1970 when I started watching.

Duane
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 11:05 am

Instead of John Kerry’s great wisdom? Or Joe Biden’s great wisdom?

PA Dutchman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 11:20 am

What should Rep. Perry do when speaking with the appointed “Climate Czar”, whose climate footprint in the last two years dwarfs my lifetime’s? I learned a science fact that carbon is a basic building block of life on earth. If anyone is concerned so much about carbon dioxide, then please stop exhaling.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 11:24 am

Well, TFN, what’s else is “happening in the world re climate” other than the totally unscientific claim that mankind’s emissions of CO2 is currently the predominant driver of “climate change”?

This was the key point that Rep. Scott Perry hammered John Kerry about, but Lurch played deaf and dumb in responding to the facts Perry presented.

But you are certainly correct in your statement, that in comparison to Biden “climate envoy” Kerry, Rep. Perry displays great wisdom.

Scissor
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 11:35 am

Kerry and Biden, dumb and dumber pride.

Mason
Reply to  Scissor
July 17, 2023 3:44 pm

When they were VP and Secretary of State, I labeled them Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb. It is just unbelievable to me that they continue to have support of the Democrats but I guess I am just too old and sensible.

ATheoK
Reply to  Mason
July 17, 2023 6:19 pm

Understandable.
Sadly, it is still an insult to the original Tweedles’ Dee and Dum.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 12:33 pm

Dunno, maybe high temperature records falling like bowling pins, heatwaves, record flooding and record low Antarctic sea ice…?

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 12:56 pm

The low Antarctic sea ice is now recovering rapidly from the WEATHER event earlier in the winter.

There is absolutely nothing untoward , that isn’t part of NORMAL VARIABILITY, happening anywhere.

Extreme weather events are DECLINING globally

Weather and Climate Disasters Are Declining Globally (reason.com)

Models wrong again: Looks like Climate Change is making rainfall *less* intense globally « JoNova (joannenova.com.au)

You are responding exactly as the MSM wants to respond to their hype and carrying on.

Time to switch your feeble mind out of panic mode

Learn to tell the difference between propaganda hype, and actual facts.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 2:52 pm

Speaking of actual facts, with my feeble mind, isn’t it odd that WUWT is ignoring so many current climate stories? No mention of the warmest June on record globally; no mention of the lowest Antarctic sea ice extent record (this site used to love Antarctic sea ice extent); no mention of the US and European heat waves; no mention of record high temperatures in China.

Is this a climate site, really?

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:41 pm

So much ignorance, so little self awareness. TFN is it even possible for you to feel embarrasment?

It was only a few days ago when there was an article here on WUWT that completely shredded the nonsensical claim of the warmest June on record.

As to your whines about Antarctic ice, I’ve refuted that at least three times in the last couple of days and don’t feel like going through it again for someone who has no attention of paying any attention to any factoid that doesn’t fit into what he wants to believe.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:17 pm

Wrong It was NOT the warmest June globally.

Not even in the short 45 years of UAH data.

Most of the last 10,000 years have been far warmer.

Heat waves happen in summer in the NH.. its called “summer” for a reason.

Now where was that site showing where the urban temperature in a secluded heat trap valley was recorded.. Still waiting

Did you know that globally, extreme weather events are DECLINING ?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:23 pm

You keep taking about weather and calling it “climate”. WUWT doesn’t usually carry weather reports. Why does that seem to surprise you?

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 17, 2023 4:41 pm

Whether it’s “weather” or “climate” depends only on whether it supports the climate alarmist agenda.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 17, 2023 5:14 pm

You need to understand that TFN doesn’t ‘do’ weather and, to him, climate = temperature. It’s delusional, rather pathetic, but very true – notice that he brings every conversation on weather, climate, politics or science right back to his obsession with temperatures.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:16 pm

Again with the Antarctic sea ice? For the THIRD TIME in less than two weeks, a reminder for your less-than-goldfish attention span:

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Nick Stokes
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 17, 2023 1:38 pm

Extinct volcanoes.

But if volcanoes are causing melting this year, what were they doing last year?

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:09 pm

Oh dear, Nick really is grasping at straws now.

Mt Erubus is not inactive, and many of the other volcanoes aren’t either..

New Study: Maps Of Ice Mass Loss Show Geothermal Heat Flow Explains 2003-2019 Antarctic Ice Melt (notrickszone.com)

Does Nick-picker really think active volcanoes are constant. !

WOW !

Ignorant as well as disingenuous.

Sunsettommy
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 2:33 pm

Ooop’s you beat me to it good post!

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 3:11 pm

Asking why extinct volcanoes are causing sea ice reductions this year and not last year is ‘clutching at straws’?

Somebody’s clutching at straws, lol!

Sunsettommy
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:21 pm

Why do you try so hard to show your lazy stupidity in public even when a published paper is posted in front of YOU showing ACTIVE volcanoes are causing the melting.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:25 pm

You need to differentiate between *inactive* volcanoes and extinct volcanoes. Besides, extinct volcanoes sometimes *do* become active once again. One more thing the climate modelers can’t model correctly – continental drift, tectonic plate movement, and magma flow. All of which has an impact on climate.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 4:48 pm

Does Nick-picker really think active volcanoes are constant. !”

There is no reason to believe their activity (if any) has all tuned together to create melting now, when not before. Erebus has its usual ice cap.

The GHFs listed are much as in the rest of the world, and no reason to believe they have increased.



bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 5:00 pm

Did you know that ocean seismic activity is a FAR better correlation with atmospheric temperatures than CO2?

Did you know that water heats easily from below, but is almost impossible to heat from above. !

Or are you just displaying your agenda-drive ignorance and deceit, yet again?

Seismic lag.jpg
Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 6:33 pm

“Did you know that ocean seismic activity is a FAR better correlation”

Looks like a scientific source? But in fact it comes from PSI (Principia), a bunch of cranks too much even for WUWT.


bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 8:47 pm

So, no scientific counter, hey Nick-pick,

And no, the final graph may come from the scientists at PSI,
but the data is real..

.. it is just that you don’t like what it shows.

Disingenuous anti-science Nick.. as always.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 8:51 pm

Here is a more up to date graph, showing the 2015/16 El Nino.

Just ignore real data that you don’t like, Nick

Stick to your urban, aircraft surface mal-adjusted fabrication.

There’s a good little climate shill !.

Seismic vs temperature.JPG
Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 9:57 pm

Source?

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 8:58 pm

Argue the data.. if you can, AGW cultist.

The Correlation of Seismic Activity and Recent Global Warming: 2016 Update (omicsonline.org)

Geology is not one of your pretend areas of expertise, is it !

Sunsettommy
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 10:31 pm

Yet you couldn’t come up with a counterpoint thus you posted nothing of scientific value.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 18, 2023 11:52 am

Oceans can be warmed from above, you just have to wait for the over turning to move the heat from the top to the bottom.

As to linking earth quakes and ocean heating, you are aware that correlation does not prove causation.

Even if the heat output of undersea volcanoes was to triple, it still wouldn’t be a measurable amount.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
July 18, 2023 2:26 pm

But it *could* have local effects like melting ice at the surface over the heat output.

Sunsettommy
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:31 pm

Now you are lying since as there have been a number of published papers in the last 15 years showing ACTIVE Volcanoes under the two main melting areas here is the latest one you didn’t read:

New Study: Maps Of Ice Mass Loss Show Geothermal Heat Flow Explains 2003-2019 Antarctic Ice Melt

LINK

MarkW
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 17, 2023 3:44 pm

Don’t you know that it can only be considered data, when it supports the climate alarmist agenda.
Everything else is just unsupported opinion.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 17, 2023 9:55 pm

Just 3 links of several.”

A common WUWT pattern. None of the links actually say anything relevant, but there are so many of them.

Th first is a paper by scientists who imaged the landscape under the ice. They found 91 hills of volcanic shape. We would have more than that in Victoria. No evidence of activity.

The second does have evidence of “recent” activity. 22K and 44K years ago. Victoria can do better than that.

The third just shows geothermal heat variation. Well, it is stronger in some places than others, as usual. But it is nowhere stronger than you’d find in many other places in the world. And, of course, no evidence of a recent increase. Geothermal heat flux usually doesn’t change quickly.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 11:42 pm

Geothermal heat flux usually doesn’t change quickly.”

So you are admitting it does change.

Volcanoes don’t erupt quickly either.. is that what you are saying ?

Your comment is trite, irrational nonsense, yet again.

Do you at least understand the basic physics of water being heated from below, by several hundred degree thermal vents and fluxes etc, and not from above by near-or-below-freezing atmospheric temperatures?

Have fun boiling your kettle for a cup of tea !! 😉

ATheoK
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 6:27 pm

Extinct volcanoes.”

How delusional you are.
Wrong, and delusional, a common occurrence amongst the climate shills.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 1:34 pm

I know that basic science is really, really, really hard for you..

But try to read and at least partially understand the data in this link

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/16/hottest-days-manipulation/#comment-3750737

And don’t ignore all the cold records from last northern winter, that were shown to you only a couple of days ago..

Your ignorance and your gullibility are feeding each other.

DonM
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:25 pm

*not a thing
*not a new thing
*not a thing
*not a thing

Gunga Din
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:38 pm

Are they?
In 2007 I got a list of the record highs and lows for my little spot on the Globe.
Most of the record highs were before 1950.
Most of the record lows were after 1950.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:34 pm

“Dunno, maybe high temperature records falling like bowling pins, heatwaves, record flooding and record low Antarctic sea ice…?”

There’s more truth in that statement than you realize.

Until you can provide or reference solid scientific evidence that human emissions of CO2 are a significant, let alone predominant, cause of ANY of the things that you mentioned, you positively “dunno”.

No such evidence currently exists.

And you obviously need to be reminded that correlation does not equal causation.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:38 pm

Temperature records are not falling any faster than they did this past winter.
There is no record flooding, unless like most climate alarmists you believe history began 20 years ago.
Antarctic ice going down while Arctic ice going up. A few years ago, the opposite was occurring and the same self righteous know nothings were spending all their time concentrating on the Arctic while ignoring the Antarctic.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:21 pm

You wouldn’t know record flooding if it bit you on the behind. Neither do the climate scientists. Ask those living along the Mississippi back in 2014.

Different parts of the country flood at different times. That has nothing to do with “record” flooding increasing. In 2014 it had to do with very heavy rains in Minnesota and Wisconsin. This year it has rained heavily elsewhere but not in Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Energywise
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 12:43 pm

There is no climate emergency TFN, only hubris filled greed fuelling a deceit, in the false prophet cause of finding a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 12:44 pm

Certainly there is no evidence of an increase in extreme events.

Evidence is that they are DECREASING.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of your child-like gullibility. !

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 2:58 pm

Actually, that’s the first unequivocally correct thing you have said so I will give you an upvote.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 3:16 pm

Apparently Mr TFN can only handle one thing at a time, and assumes that everyone else suffers from the same defect.

Mike
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 4:44 pm

TFN is quite happy spending $1000,000,000,000,000 doing nothing.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  TheFinalNail
July 17, 2023 7:11 pm

The biggest climate change that has happened, which, correct me if I am wrong, has occurred to the data itself before you were old enough to know much about CAGW! When the super el Niño of 1998 happened, there was a lot of hope by proponents that it would set a new world record T°. Nope! The late ’30s early 40s was the 20th Century temperature high-stand still held by a good margin. It wasn’t until “The Father of Anthropo Global Warming”, on the eve of his retirement in 2007 from GISS, fiddled the record in a big way.

He pushed the the high-stand down about a degree. This did two things that were a niggling pain to the consensus establishment (sceptics had hammered on these inconvenient facts). It erased the high-stand and at the same time removed the 40 year deep slide in temperatures from the mid ’40s to 1979 known by scientists and the press a “The Ice Age Cometh” period. Before the fiddle, it could clearly be seen that the warming of the ’80s and ’90s was simply a recovery from the deep cooling.

There was still hope that a new high was in the offing, but by 2007 we were 9 years into “The Dreaded Pause and something needed to be done! In addition to massive cooking of the T° data, they moved the datum from which to measure human effect warming from 1950, back to 1850, and more recently, there is talk about 1750!!

stinkerp
July 17, 2023 10:17 am

Epic body slam! Nicely done, Congressman Perry! More, please.

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stinkerp
Reply to  stinkerp
July 17, 2023 12:56 pm

Keep asking the screaming climate goats the fundamental questions. What is the ideal CO2 level? What is the ideal global average temperature? How much does CO2 raise global temperature? How much has global temperature increased in the last 150 years? Why is that bad instead of good? Why is simply adapting to temperature changes with simple solutions not as good as their proposals? Keep it simple and don’t let them baffle the public with sciencey-sounding BS. Make them squirm and explain why we need their ridiculous, massively expensive schemes to “solve” a non-problem.

Mike
Reply to  stinkerp
July 17, 2023 4:38 pm

What is the ideal CO2 level?

Probably something like it was in 1975 when it was much cooler and cyclone Tracy wiped Darwin Australia off the map.

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bernie1815
July 17, 2023 10:20 am

Perry would have done better if he had focused on how little Kerry actually knows about the climate.
For example,
Currently, what is the rate of temperature increase in globally and in the Continental US?
Currently, what is the rate of sea level increase globally and around CONUS?

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  bernie1815
July 17, 2023 10:47 am

how about those Congress persons (on the alarmists side) recently at some hearing who had not the slightest idea of the current level of CO2

Steve Case
Reply to  bernie1815
July 17, 2023 10:59 am

Yes, point out Kerry’s ignorance. Don’t name call, that’s what the media will home in on.

Point out that the 98% is meaningless because most reasonable people agree with the Doran & Zimmerman survey questions But, D & Z never asked all those scientist if they agreed that the warming constituted an existential catastrophe of our times. One has to wonder who the 2% were who didn’t agree?

Pointing out the astronomical cost for fixing a non problem must be hammered home constantly.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Steve Case
July 17, 2023 11:38 am

The oft-quoted claim that “97% of climate scientists agree that climate change is man-made” (the actual claim was that “man had caused at least half of the 0.7 deg-C of global warming since 1950”) was soundly, scathingly and scientifically shown to be wrong back in 2013 (see: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/03/cooks-97-consensus-disproven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/ ).

The actual percentage of scientists that then held that position, based on proper analysis of published works cited by the author (Cook) to support his 97% claim, was approximately 0.3%.

What an embarrassment!

And its not surprising to see the “data manipulation” of climate alarmists that have since “warmed” the value from its original (false) 97% to the now-claimed (still false) 98%.

Steve Case
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 12:05 pm

HADCRUT graphed out shows an 1878 spike in temperature, a decline by 1912, an increase by ~1946 decline by ~1976 and some recent warming. In all of that, what was caused by anthropogenic CO2 what by other causes?

That’s never addressed by the climate mob.

Energywise
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 12:55 pm

The 97% has already been debunked many times – it was nearer 2% of IPCC sympathisers with zero climate related topic experience – I put my faith in the nearly 40,000 Clintel WCD & Oregon Petition signatories, people who actually know the topic

186no
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 1:23 pm

Lets see how “TFN” wriggles on that hook as well as the fact that human extinction along with plant life is nearer with CO2 at ~440ppm ( I understand that the tipping point is ~180ppm ) than the 2000ppm level with which Sen.Perry slaughtered SoS Kerry’s unsupportable and delusional diatribe against one of the organic givers of life – how far has he fallen since addressing the congressional committee on the Vietnam war, and making a case that was wholly supportable?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 6:48 pm

“The actual percentage of scientists that then held that position, based on proper analysis of published works cited by the author (Cook) to support his 97% claim, was approximately 0.3%.”

That’s right. Not 97 percent, but 0.3 percent.

Cook was just distorting reality the way all the other climate change alarmists do. The truth is not in these people. They have a dishonest climate change agenda and cannot tell the truth without blowing up their agenda.

Energywise
Reply to  Steve Case
July 17, 2023 12:52 pm

That’s the key Steve – to lambast these doom peddlers with facts, data and science – in public – it is the way

old cocky
Reply to  Steve Case
July 18, 2023 4:52 pm

Yes, Doran and Zimmerman essentially asked if the Earth had warmed, and if humans had contributed to that.

The later Cook et al paper (basically the Skeptical Science core contributors) was a cursory, idiosyncratic literature review exercise.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  bernie1815
July 17, 2023 11:31 am

“Perry would have done better if he had focused on how little Kerry actually knows about the climate.”

No worry there . . . Kerry did fine revealing that fact—as he has done continually since being appointed anointed as “climate czar”— all by himself.

David Pentland
Reply to  bernie1815
July 17, 2023 11:42 am

Check out minute 8:30 in this video for an astounding display of ignorance…

https://youtu.be/P-yDzHApXiw

ToldYouSo
Reply to  David Pentland
July 17, 2023 12:34 pm

Strange . . . my impression was the “astounding display of ignorance” occurred for 45m17s of the 45m21s long video clip, IOW the entire time Kerry was speaking.

Douglas Pollock
July 17, 2023 10:27 am

It always comes down to the same thing: when leftists feel cornered and run out of arguments —which, of course, they never have— they resort to their 98% “consensus” wild card. Good for Congressman Mr. Perry!

Sam Capricci
Reply to  Douglas Pollock
July 17, 2023 10:51 am

I wish we could ban the term “consensus” yes, a whole bunch of people are on my side. Oh and incidentally, we’re also paying them to be on my side. I liked his statement at the end when he called him a grifter. That’s all these people are. Yes, it’s a bunch of us politically minded thinking the same way grifters who are trying to dominate the world economy and get everybody to do what we want them to do, so we can keep flying about the world in our planes and enjoy our lavish lifestyles while we impoverish the rest of humanity.

gezza1298
Reply to  Sam Capricci
July 17, 2023 1:34 pm

The sad thing is that not long ago I was talking to a guy who insisted that science only advanced by ‘consensus’ and could not see how that would mean no advancement at all.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  gezza1298
July 17, 2023 4:29 pm

Guess he never heard of Galileo or Columbus.

Steve Case
Reply to  Douglas Pollock
July 17, 2023 11:32 am

The D&Z survey asked if you agreed that human activity was a cause of some of the increase in CO2 and some warming? You have to wonder who the 2% were who didn’t agree!

Energywise
Reply to  Douglas Pollock
July 17, 2023 12:58 pm

The alarmists always quote a 97% consensus – this has been debunked many times, it’s nearer 2% of IPCC rear guards and the climate related competence in that 2% was less than 50%
Also remember, consensus is not proven fact, it’s opinion

Redge
July 17, 2023 10:43 am

Kerrys’ appeal to authority and misunderstanding of the 98% (crept up 1%) reveals just how little he knows about science and climate science in particular.

Richard Page
Reply to  Redge
July 17, 2023 11:13 am

“…reveals just how little he knows.” The rest of the sentence wasn’t really needed.

SteveG
Reply to  Redge
July 17, 2023 11:46 pm

Indeed – The fabricated “consensus” number was always 97% – but look! in 2023 it’s set a new record up 1 percentage point to an unprecedented 98%! Just like global temperatures, its going up!! – Yippee!

Redge
Reply to  SteveG
July 18, 2023 10:26 am

It’s man-made CO2 wot dunnit

Jim Steele
July 17, 2023 10:46 am

Well done Scott Perry!

Bill Pekny
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 17, 2023 5:29 pm

Yes, indeed. Keep up the great work, Congressman Perry.

Joseph Zorzin
July 17, 2023 10:50 am

I’m embarrassed to say he was my Senator here in Woke-achusetts!

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 17, 2023 1:51 pm

Yes, you should be and the same goes for Who-Could-Have-Known Ed Markey.

Shoki
July 17, 2023 10:54 am

Why would anyone take a buffoon like Kerry seriously?

Matthew Bergin
July 17, 2023 10:55 am

I particularly liked when Perry called Kerry a “Climate Grifter”. The look on Kerry’s face was priceless. 😲🤣🤣
Truer words have never been spoken.

Richard Page
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 17, 2023 11:14 am

Scott Perry will no doubt be investigated by the FBI for revealing US State Secrets.

bnice2000
Reply to  Richard Page
July 17, 2023 1:13 pm

for revealing US State Secrets.”

A secret that everyone in the USA already knows ?

SteveG
Reply to  Richard Page
July 17, 2023 11:49 pm

LOL! – Immediately after Perry called Kerry a grifter, the CIA was dispatched to Perry’s home with a search warrant, to find “evidence” to remove said senator from government.

Scissor
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 17, 2023 11:38 am

Someday, Kerry’s face will fall off, or at least lower.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 17, 2023 1:38 pm

Lovee, did you HEAR what that PEASANT just said to me?

mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 17, 2023 11:02 am

Perry schooled Kerry on the facts and did an excellent job of reminding him about his wishy washy stance on CC through the years. The whole “the difference is that humans are causing it now” doesn’t address the reality that humans/life thrive on CO2.

186no
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 17, 2023 1:28 pm

Quoting NOAA should be “Game Set and Match” – but Kerry no longer does ” listening” or any other activity built on reasoning; his equivalent in the UK, where I am, is the Cult (sic) Lord Deben for whom a leading role part in the re-make of The Wicker Man is tailor made.

Duane
July 17, 2023 11:04 am

It is always good to see We the People’s House call government grifters to account.

Rod Evans
July 17, 2023 11:06 am

The senator was far too polite calling Kerry a ‘grifter’.
Describing him as an ignorant grifter would have been more accurate. Maybe Kerry actually thinks CO2 that has been put into the atmosphere over the industrial era. is still all up there? Maybe he is genuinely unaware of the CO2 sequestering processes? Maybe he is also unaware of the consumption of CO2 into plant growth?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 17, 2023 3:58 pm

He did well, far better than the typical Congress critter. However…

1) Definition of grifter: “a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling”. Claiming a conspiracy theory is just what they wanted to hear to dismiss him as a kook.

2) What % of the voters can relate to “1.6 quadrillion dollars”? He should have said something like: “More than the output of the US economy for 60 years. More than the entire world’s economic output for 16 years. 200 thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child on earth. FIFTY times the national debt— 1.6 QUADRILLION dollars! And for what?”

Mac
July 17, 2023 11:28 am

Wow! Kerry just got “Swift Boated” again! That was incredible by Perry.
I saw an interview recently by John Kennedy senator from La interviewing an EPA functionary. Kennedy asked… if we spend 1 trillion dollars how much would it lower the world temperature…the functionary couldn’t/wouldn’t answer the question. Kennedy is of course a sceptic.

CD in Wisconsin
July 17, 2023 12:10 pm

I am not a scientist, but I would nonetheless be very interested in Climate Czar Kerry’s response to these issues which were not addressed in the video:

1) Urban Heat Island effect on the surface temperature record
2) Ice core proxy studies showing that CO2 changes trailed temperature change in prehistoric times.
3) Saturation effect of GHG’s as their levels rise in the atmosphere
4) No evidence of a rise in frequency or intensity of wildfires and extreme meteorological events
5) Climate models running too hot

Etc. etc…..

When you want to believe, you selectively leave out that which does not conform with the faith.

Gunga Din
July 17, 2023 12:28 pm

Unfortunate that Perry was only give less than 10 minutes.
What would he have done if he had 30 minutes?
Kerry would have been reduced to a quivering bowl of Ketchup!

Energywise
July 17, 2023 12:40 pm

Superb, Scott Perry is a hero, a true guardian of our democracy, a shining beacon in very dark times – he should run for POTUS

TBF, it would not be difficult to bamboozle Kerry – he’s selling a nightmare he doesn’t understand, except it keeps bringing the money in – I would pay too dollar to watch Kerry in a face off with Judith Curry or someone of similar academic ilk

Rud Istvan
July 17, 2023 1:15 pm

Kerry appearing uninformed is not surprising. ‘Climate science is settled’ so facts no longer matter to him. IPCC says so. Proving yet again that warmunism is a religion. And that Kerry is NOT very bright.

alexei
July 17, 2023 1:26 pm

Kerry – “the difference is that humans are causing it now””

So what happened to those “natural” phenomena that were the cause thousands of years ago? Kerry should be asked if he agrees they occurred naturally THEN, how can he prove , other than from speculation, that the cause(s) today are not also naturally induced and if not. in what proportion ?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  alexei
July 17, 2023 1:48 pm

Past causes were cyclic, including orbital changes. They didn’t go anywhere.

But as Arrhenius showed 127 years ago, adding CO2 to the air causes warming. No-one has dug up and burned carbon before. It is a one way process. We’re doing it, and the warming is happening.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:24 pm

Doubling the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere would in theory cause +1C of warming but there is no way of establishing what part of the current temperature trend is CO2 induced or what part is natural.
Whatever, there is no reason to assume the effect of any human-caused warming is necessarily bad or that anything can or ought be done about it.

Scissor
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 2:40 pm

There is nothing unusual about about the climate warming up or cooling down.

Thankfully, we are here today because it warmed up from a glacial period. And incidentally, it’s cooler now than it had been for most of the past 10,000 years.

With regard to Arrhenius, he determined the average global temperature to be about 15C, a little warmer than today also.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 3:00 pm

Arrhennius showed no such thing !

It was purely a conjecture from finding out that CO2 was a radiatively active gas.

And it was incorrect.

Warming by atmospheric CO2 has never been observed or measured anywhere on the planet.

Arrhennius unphysical roots.JPG
MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 4:07 pm

That an effect is too small to measure using current technology is not evidence that the effect doesn’t exist. Such logic is as unscientific as any of the nonsense the climate alarmists publish.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 3:00 pm

Adding CO2 to a bell jar is quite a bit different than claiming Man’s CO2 in the real world is any different than Nature’s CO2.
(And a “bell jar” doesn’t account for Nature’s plants feeding off CO2 no matter it’s source.)

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 17, 2023 9:45 pm

Who added CO2 to a bell jar?

Arrhenius just calculated the effect of blocking outward IR.

Richard Page
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 4:36 am

Eunice Newton Foote added CO2 to bell jars, among other gases, establishing some experimental properties of CO2 under ideal laboratory conditions but utterly failed to make the case that the earth’s atmosphere resembles a bell jar in any way. She should be remembered as a brilliant pioneering research scientist but not a field scientist by any means.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 5:37 am

And did a really bad job of it…

And yes, he used data from bell jars, which even you must know do not resemble the atmosphere is any way shape or form.

You are being deceitful and dishonest, as always.

Arrhennius unphysical roots.JPG
Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 18, 2023 1:37 pm

Again, the link is to an unspecified crackpot site, which doesn’t even say anything about bell jars.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 4:55 pm

You obviously haven’t read up on anything from Arrhenius.

Displaying your ignorance, as always.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 4:56 pm

the link is to an unspecified crackpot site”

Yet you keep linking to MoWho !

which is to link to an unspecified crackpot site.. So funny !

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 3:03 pm

Arrhennius did, on the other hand understand that warmth and CO2 were totally necessary for food production…. too many “mays” to be actual science, though

bnice2000
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 3:05 pm

darn… forgot image

Svante_Arrhenius_1908_p56_and_p63_v7_horizontal.png
MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 4:01 pm

And once again Nick demonstrates that either he knows nothing about science and logic, or he’s hoping that you don’t.

Yes Arrhenius showed that CO2 can impede CO2. On the other hand he never claimed that this impact would warm the earth by 4 or 5 degrees. It took a computer to create that lie.

First off, the claim that nobody has ever dug up and burned carbon before is another one of your lies. People have been digging up and burning carbon for hundreds, perhaps even thousands of years. The only difference is in the amount.

Secondly, so freaking what. You seem to feel that the fact that we are now burning more fossil fuels than in the past proves that CO2 is the cause of the current warming.

SteveG
Reply to  MarkW
July 18, 2023 12:09 am

The very ability of old mate Nicholas to sit in a warm home, with all its contents and conveniences and discuss on the interweb, humans burning “evil” fossil fuels is due to the fact that humans burn fossil fuels.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 4:04 pm

Nick, will you never learn to acknowledge science, in particular the science of paleoclimatology???

The best paleoclimatology records show that in the past, long before humans emitted CO2 from their activities on Earth, there were greatly varying periods of atmospheric CO2 concentrations and greatly varying levels of “global temperatures”. Most significantly, the proxy-based records for these two parameters exhibit more evidence of anti-correlation than they do correlation.

IOW, there is no scientifically-established cause-effect relationship between atmospheric CO2 levels and global lower-troposphere (let alone ocean) temperatures.

See attached graph.

Paleo_Global_CO2_vs_Global_Temp.png
Nick Stokes
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 17, 2023 6:26 pm

See attached graph.”

One of these graphs that bounces around the blogosphere without anyone really knowing where it came from. The attribution is to a web page maintained by a geologist, Scotese. But if you go to the cited source, that graph is nowhere to be found.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 9:08 pm

So again, Nick is totally unable to counter with any actual science

Here’s a similar graph, with reference.

Temp-CO2-Cambrian-to-present-1280×710.png (1280×710) (cs21c.com)

You have failed yet again, Nick-pick.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
July 17, 2023 9:43 pm

Well, again it is just a blog page, referencing Nahle, who is a complete crank.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 10:05 pm

You reference MoWho… now there is a gormless crank!

Have you heard of GeoCarb before ??

Or is geology one of your many areas of ignorance. !

Geocarb Phanerozoic CO2 Biodiversy.png
MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
July 18, 2023 12:02 pm

You know that Nick would never risk looking for something he didn’t want to find.
Beyond that, as every good alarmist knows, if it’s not on a government approved web site, it’s by definition, trash.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 10:20 pm

Poor Nick-pick.

Can’t argue the data, so tries to slime, and fails as usual !

MarkW
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 12:01 pm

Crank: Anyone who doesn’t accept that all real scientists believe CO2 controls the climate.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 10:00 pm

Are you also ignorant of Geocarb data ??

You seem to be quite unaware of science a know-it-all AGW zealot should be aware of.

Is your apparent ignorance real…. or pretend ?

Geocarb III-Mine-03.jpg
ToldYouSo
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 7:12 am

“One of these graphs that bounces around the blogosphere without anyone really knowing where it came from. The attribution is to a web page maintained by a geologist, Scotese.”

Yet another untruth, at best half-truth, issued by Nick Stokes.

As anyone can plainly see, at the bottom left of the image I provided there is the following notation specifying the two sources of the the graphed data:
“Temperature after Scotese http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
CO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III)”

And Nick appears to be incompetent in using a Web search engine to locate widely available data (hint for you, Nick: the Web never forgets!), having just childishly given up upon discovering that Scotese has obviously revamped his website so that the graphic I provided is no longer posted there.

But let me lead Nick by the hand:

1) do a Web search on the title of the graph “Global Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time” restricting the search results to Images

2) such search yields the same image, or a very slight modification of same, at the following links:
comment image
https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/10/im-ready-to-go-to-mars-but-theres-something-weve-forgotten/
at least sixteen other separate web sites resulting from the search engine I used (sorry, Nick, I can’t list them all due to WUWT limitations on the number of links allowed in a given comment posting).

The subject image has such credibility that many other scientists and authors have referenced it in their own works.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 4:37 pm

“One of these graphs that bounces around the blogosphere without anyone really knowing where it came from. The attribution is to a web page maintained by a geologist, Scotese.”

As further clarification for Nick’s benefit, it appears that one of the earliest appearances of the graph “Global Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time”, which I posted above, was at the website https://geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html , apparently put up by Monte Hieb in 2009, but still accessible today and still showing the same graph.

I do not not know if Hieb actually created the graph (and some of its subsequent minor modifications), or the artwork was created by someone else, but this is noise-level compared to the key messages that plotting the Scotese and Berner data sets on the same graph convey.

Also, Stokes is wrong: the footnote he refers to for geologist Scotese is NOT an attribution for the source of the graph, but rather is just acknowledgment of where the temperature data plotted on the graph originated, with a similar footnote acknowledgment immediately underneath that one for Berner as the source of the plotted CO2 data.

bnice2000
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 18, 2023 6:08 pm

I think Nick-pick has been watching Biden too much…

… and decide dementia is the way to go.

and maybe John Kerry, and decided blatant lies is a good thing to mix with the dementia.

Mike
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 17, 2023 4:41 pm

But as Arrhenius showed 127 years ago, adding CO2 to the air causes warming.”

No one has ever ”shown” that.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 12:28 am

And ten years later, he acknowledged that he had over-estimated and published a retraction. And twenty years after that, Sir George Clark Simpson said that Arrhenius had focussed so hard on radiative transfer that he had forgotten all about convection.

MarkW
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 18, 2023 12:05 pm

There is change in convection until after the radiative transfer has already taken place.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 18, 2023 1:28 pm

And ten years later, he acknowledged that he had over-estimated and published a retraction.”
He did not.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 5:09 pm

“””””Thus Arrhenius had acknowledged that he had overestimated the impact of a doubling of CO2 by about two hundred and fifty to three hundred percent.”””””

From:
https://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/doublingCO2.htm

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 5:08 am

Nick,

There are two questions you need to answer before pontificating.

1) What process(es) caused the concentration CO2 to reach into the thousands of ppm in the past?

2) What process(es) caused the concentration CO2 to fall to near extinction level of life ppm in the past?

As to “question 1”, CO2 is not a natural occuring element. If it was, it would be in the periodic table. Other evidence is that a block of carbon doesn’t sublimate away in the presence of oxygen at normal temps and concentration levels. Consequently it must be manufactured. Where does it originate?

The cause and effects of naturally occuring events must be addressed before attributing anything. I believe it has been shown that temperature increases prior to CO2 increasing.

If you can’t answer these questions with scientifically proven causes, then you and others are jumping ahead and stating conclusions that have no basis.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 18, 2023 7:18 am

“As to “question 1”, CO2 is not a natural occuring element. If it was, it would be in the periodic table.”

With all due respect, Jim, methinks you should revisit that statement . . . considering the known differences between chemical elements (tabulated in the Periodic Table) and chemical compounds, that is.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 18, 2023 10:17 am

The periodic table does contain ELEMENTS. Elements are designated by the number of protons in a natural occuring atomic nucleus. Those elements can be combined in various chemical reactions to create chemical compounds. CO2 is a compound that exists as a gas at normal atmospherical pressure and temperature. As I said, it is NOT a element.

https://www.nist.gov/pml/periodic-table-elements

“””””The periodic table contains NIST’s latest critically evaluated data for atomic properties of the elements.”””””

Why don’t you answer the questions I asked rather than try to criticize something you know nothing about.

CO2 is a product of a number of chemical reactions. Plant and animal respiration PRODUCE CO2. Oxidation (burning) can produce CO and CO2.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 18, 2023 12:20 pm

Seem’s like you’ve overreacted, but here goes:

1) You made specific the specific statement that “CO2 is not a naturally occuring (sic) element”. CO2 is not an element at all.

2) CO2, as a compound, does occur naturally. For example, beyond Earth, Venus and Mars have naturally occurring CO2-rich atmospheres (i.e., they don’t the result of humans burning fossil fuels or carbon in an oxygen-abundant atmosphere).

3) In context, you state “. . . CO2 is not a natural occuring element. If it was, it would be in the periodic table. Other evidence is that a block of carbon doesn’t sublimate away in the presence of oxygen at normal temps and concentration levels. Consequently it must be manufactured.
(my bold emphasis added). Well, what you state is far from the preponderance of scientific evidence, which clearly and overwhelming shows that CO2 is created naturally, by reactions that take place outside of biological entities (bacteria, plants, animals) and without need of human technology . . . thus, without in any sense being “manufactured”. Major sources of “non-manufactured” CO2 on Earth are primordial CO2 captured deep within Earth during its formation, and as currently being outgassed via volcanoes, and naturally-occurring wildfires where burning carbon-rich biomass with atmospheric oxygen produces CO2 gas.

Finally, I’ll leave you with this:
“Carbon dioxide (CO2) is found everywhere in the Universe. It has been determined the second or third most abundant condensable molecule after water (H2O) and carbon monoxide (CO) (Hama and Watanabe, 2013). It has been identified in dense clouds, young stellar objects (Ehrenfreund and Charnley, 2000), comet Hale-Bopp (Irvine et al., 2000), and its abundance has even been measured in situ on the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko (Goesmann et al., 2015) . . . It is generally understood that CO2 forms by oxidation of CO in the ice mantles surrounding interstellar dust grains. This is in agreement with the very low observed gas phase abundances of CO2 (about a factor of 100 less than in condensed phase) (Boonman et al., 2003) . . .”
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fspas.2020.00033/full# 

P.S. The answers to your questions are easily found on the Web . . . I’m surprised you need to ask them.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 18, 2023 4:56 pm

“””””1) You made specific the specific statement that “CO2 is not a naturally occuring (sic) element”. CO2 is not an element at all.

No s**t. How is what you said any different than what I said?

“””””CO2, as a compound, does occur naturally.”””””

Really? So I can put a lump of carbon in an airtight container, insert some O2, and end up with a container of CO2.

You make an assertion without proof.

“””””(i.e., they don’t the result of humans burning fossil fuels or carbon in an oxygen-abundant atmosphere).”””””

For some reason I don’t see this mentioned in my post!

“””””Major sources of “non-manufactured” CO2 on Earth are primordial CO2 captured deep within Earth during its formation, and as currently being outgassed via volcanoes,”””””

From: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s001260100185

“Growing evidence suggests that most CO2 is contributed to arc magmas via recycling of subducted oceanic crust and its overlying sediment blanket. ”

Notice the word “sediment”. Wonder what makes up sediment?

Look, the whole point here is that the creation of CO2 requires the addition of heat, pressure, or a biological process. Carbon and O2 do not attract each other and presto chango form CO2.

From Wikipedia:

“””””All carbon allotropes are solids under normal conditions, with graphite being the most thermodynamically stable form at standard temperature and pressure. They are chemically resistant and require high temperature to react even with oxygen.”””””

“””””P.S. The answers to your questions are easily found on the Web . . . I’m surprised you need to ask them.””””

I have no questions about this. You have failed to show how anything I have said is incorrect. Perhaps you need to study some chemistry and physics, I have 8 hours of engineering inorganic chemistry and 5 hours of organic chemistry and 15 hours of physics. None of that includes the laboratory hours. I am not uneducated. Let’s hear what you have studied.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 19, 2023 9:07 am

“. . . I have 8 hours of engineering inorganic chemistry and 5 hours of organic chemistry and 15 hours of physics.”

Thank you. That is all that I needed to know.

End of discussion.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  ToldYouSo
July 19, 2023 11:16 am

You are welcome. I see you did not respond with your education background. That is very telling

DonM
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 18, 2023 5:27 pm

“It is a one way process.”

ABSOLUTELY Wrong. The fact that John Kerry is able to make his contribution (jets, yachts, homes, hot air, vacations and extensive travel) to the atmospheric CO2 disappear, completely, through the purchase of credits (and his altruistic, well meaning talents), shows that it is not a one-way process.

Either that, or Kerry (and others) are indeed grifters.

Which is it?

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 20, 2023 3:00 am

 It is a one way process”

NO it is not.

Basically all that carbon used to be in the atmosphere.

Are you so ignorant that you didn’t know that ?

I am beginning to think you really ARE that ignorant.

rbabcock
July 17, 2023 1:43 pm

I worked with then Senator Kerry back in the 80’s. He was definitely one bulb short. In fact I worked with most of the Senators at the time and there were some really smart ones, average ones and not so smart ones. And believe it or not a few of them were miles apart in their politics but were really good friends away from the cameras. I think that era has long gone.

Gunga Din