New Scientist: Analysis finds the carbon footprint of cultivated meat is likely to be higher than beef if current production methods are scaled up because they are still highly energy-intensive. Cultivated meat is made by growing muscle tissue from stem cells. Meat produced from cultured cells could be 25 times worse for the climate than regular beef unless scientists find ways to overhaul energy-intensive steps in its production.
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CNBC 2018: Bill Gates and Richard Branson are betting lab-grown meat might be the food of the future
2022: 3D Printed Steak: Israeli company unveils lab-grown beef chunks
By Alice Klein
Analysis finds the carbon footprint of cultivated meat is likely to be higher than beef if current production methods are scaled up because they are still highly energy-intensive
Cultivated meat is made by growing muscle tissue from stem cells
Meat produced from cultured cells could be 25 times worse for the climate than regular beef unless scientists find ways to overhaul energy-intensive steps in its production.
Lab-grown or “cultivated” meat is made by growing animal stem cells around a scaffold in a nutrient-rich broth. It has been proposed as a kinder and greener alternative to traditional meat because it uses less land, feed, water and antibiotics than animal farming and removes the need to farm and slaughter livestock, …
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Environmental impacts of cultured meat: A cradle-to-gate life cycle assessment
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Food Scientist Frédéric Leroy Comments:
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CNBC 2018: Bill Gates and Richard Branson are betting lab-grown meat might be the food of the future –
CNBC: Billionaires, including Bill Gates, say there is no way to produce enough meat traditionally to feed the world population of the future…Dubbed clean meat, the efforts are distinct from “fake meat,” like the soy protein “chicken” you can find in your grocery store today. Unlike Morningstar or Boca Burgers, clean meat really is meat; it just grows in a lab instead of being part of an animal. …
Billionaires, including Bill Gates, say there is no way to produce enough meat traditionally to feed the world population of the future….Gates wrote on his personal blog, Gatesnotes.com, a few years ago. “Put simply, there’s no way to produce enough meat for 9 billion people. Yet we can’t ask everyone to become vegetarians. That’s why we need more options for producing meat without depleting our resources.”
MIT Technology Review: Bill Gates: Rich nations should shift entirely to synthetic beef –
Bill Gates: “I do think all rich countries should move to 100% synthetic beef. You can get used to the taste difference, and the claim is they’re going to make it taste even better over time. Eventually, that green premium is modest enough that you can sort of change the [behavior of] people or use regulation to totally shift the demand.” … Gates: “I mean, these are good things – in fact, buying Beyond Burgers [a plant-based “meat” company that Gates invests in] actually drives demand, which will get the quality up and the rate premium down, so consumer behavior is important.
Report: Bill Gates owns 242,000 acres of farmland, making him America’s biggest private-farmland owner– Gates, whose net worth of nearly $121 billion makes him the world’s fourth-richest person, and his wife, Melinda Gates, hold an extensive farmland portfolio stretching over more than a dozen states, according to The Land Report.
“The challenge for such products has tended to be that no matter how they taste, their texture doesn’t resemble meat. That’s something the use of 3D-printing technology could overcome, as it creates layers of interwoven fibres that more closely mimic the real thing.”
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2022: 3D Printed Steak: Israeli company unveils lab-grown beef chunks
Climate Depot’s Marc Morano: “You Will Eat lab-grown ‘meat’ and bugs — and Be Happy. Or so the forces of the Great Food Reset believe. Bill Gates is gobbling up U.S. farmland (now the single largest owner) and the World Economic Forum pushes eating bugs, and the U.S. FDA and USDA edge closer to approving lab-grown ‘meat’ — Bon appetite?!
If you want to eat lab-grown or bugs, that should be your choice. But, the climate agenda/Great Reset goal is to collapse modern high-yield agriculture and meat production to meet net-zero climate goals. As shortages and prices skyrocket on meat and other foods, it will be much easier to push insect-eating and lab-grown ‘meat’ to the public.
A food crisis and transformation are just the ticket for even more chaos that the WEF can exploit for their Reset agenda. The World Economic Forum is so eager to promote synthetic ‘meat’ that they are touting numerous ways to print up to 6 kilograms of the fake meat an hour. As part of this new coerced Great Diet Reset, the WEF has advocated eating bugs to save the planet. The Davos-based group has explained, “Why we might be eating insects soon.”
Our future is being planned by our overlords, load up on eating bugs to save the planet! It is a future that will happen, only if we allow it. It’s time for the Great Reject. Rise up and defy the Great Reset.”
FDA Declares Lab-Grown Chicken ‘Safe to Eat’ — ‘Will help combat global warming’
The news — widely reported as an FDA “approval” of lab-grown meat — signifies the completion of the first, and biggest, of the three regulatory steps Upside Foods must complete before its “cultivated” chicken attains full approval and can be sold to the public, according to TIME.
Upside Foods “will use animal cell culture technology to take living cells from chickens and grow the cells in a controlled environment to make the cultured animal cell food,” the FDA said. … Some also questioned Upside Foods’ connections to figures and entities such as Cargill, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, Kimbal Musk, brother of Elon Musk and co-founder of The Kitchen, “a growing family of businesses that pursues an America where everyone has access to real food,” and the World Economic Forum (WEF).
CBS News, drawing from a report in the journal Nature, also took this view, writing, “Scientists say roughly a third of all human-produced greenhouse gasses stem from food production, especially cattle. Proponents of lab-grown meat say it would help cut back on methane emissions and help combat global warming.” … The company brought in investors such as Bill Gates, Cargill and Richard Branson during its Series A funding round in 2017. … Gates is on record saying, “All rich countries should move to 100% synthetic beef.” The Daily Mail, quoting the Associated Press, noted Gates is considered the largest private owner of farmland in the U.S., having “quietly amassed” close to 270,000 acres.
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Watch: Morano’s 20 min. speech on The Great Food Reset Takeover of Our Farms & Food Supply
Fox and Friends – Broadcast January 28, 2023 – Fox News Channel
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First, the effects of methane are greatly exaggerated. CH4 might be absorbent in isolation, but the real atmosphere has other gasses, like water vapor and CO2 that cover the same wavelengths.
Appealing to animal rights activists is a limited market, who I presume would find an objection to vat grown meat anyway. Vegans seem to be into asceticism, so they would probably not be a market either, as far as vegans and animal rights activists are not one and the same.
Appeal to all the outriders. The more useful idiots on board, the better.
What’s 25 times 0?
Yea, I’ll eat me some of that vat grown stem cell beef, because, you know, I’ll look special with a hoof growing out of my forehead. Don’t wait for it.
Where did that nutty idea come from?
Where’s the BEEF
/sarc tag for the humour-challenged folk
Thanks.
I’ve dealt with people who honestly thought that a micro-wave could make food radioactive, or that genetically modified foods would cause their genes to be altered.
Ron, I almost agree with your sarcasm. Because I think that the “solution” (as in “dissolving”) of the problem is the active mobilization of the mentally sane people, like what happened to Budweiser: just boycot the stuff and make the producers become bankrupt.
Don’t think I will live long enough to make Gates go bankrupt. I’ll try.
I have been known to describe myself as an obligate carnivore. Yet after eating a chicken stock that I did not realise was a vegan substitute for the real thing, I realised I could not tell the difference between that and the ‘real thing’. I decided that if I can’t tell the difference, I’ll take the option without death. Your mileage may differ, but that’s my decision for me.
Similarly with artificial beef. All other things being equal, I’m happy to choose the non-killing option.
Because I’m not the slightest bit worried that carbon emissions might melt the North Pole by 2013, I’ve never worried about artificial beef emissions either. Pointing that out is a gotcha, because I still don’t care about emissions.
except, everything you eat could have been eaten by some other organism. which subsequently starved.
OH? Isn’t “food waste” supposed to be a really big thing?
Emission are one thing but clearly all the energy for all of their schemes is not coming without a Dyson Sphere.
Leo, have you ever heard about a thing called “vKJD” (i.e., “variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease”, aka “Human Mad Cow Disease”)? Are you aware of the UNDETECTABLE risks of mass-growing LIVING cells? (by mass-growing I mean an industrial process, not a large-scale laboratory experiment: orders of magnitude bigger). Prions, mycoplasmas, etc., will pass quality control unnoticed.
Please read and think carefully about the comment by Jeff L on May 12, 2023 7:39 pm:
“Who cares how “bad” it is for “climate”
How bad will it be for your health relative to the real thing ?”
Don’t worry. When people start having problems, those you say it will be primed and framed as conspiracy theorists. We’ve gone that road before.
1) If it is UNDETECTABLE, how do you know it’s there?
2) Do you have any actual evidence of harm?
3) Why do you believe prions, et al, are more likely in lab grown beef compared to say, lab grown medicines or vaccines?
It will be know by its consequences. Just like mad cow infections of people. Some (how many?) people will die or become sick, then perhaps some medical research will be done to find the cause; and after that, yes, perhaps a test can be designed to detect the pathogens in the product before being sold.
BUT…
But remember mad cow disease: in that now seamingly long gone days, health authorities were mobilized and quickly found all that should be known to prevent disease spreading: there was not such a thing as “it only can be solved with a vaccine” and “there is no treatment”, as we have seen three years ago (with prohibition of doctors prescribing some medications, etc.)! And there was not any legal protection against side effects of the consumption of meat products, as we have seen with the infamous mRNA “vaccines”. And mainstream media were not (as much) controlled by the political power as they are now. So, just think about the eventual occurrence of any effect of the consumption of that synthetic stuff NOW: would it be possible to quickly make the health authorities acknowledge that MAYBE they were caused by that stuff, and so deserving a rapid investigation to understand what was hppening, as in “the good old days” of mad cow disease? And then, what about the WHO? Bill Gates makes the ugly stuff and Bill Gates owns the WHO, and said WHO will have the enormous powers given to it by the “Pandemics Treaty”: would this “respected” organization declare that consuming the ugly synthetic stuff is a “health emergency”?
In a personal mood: fortunately, I am old enough, my life expectancy may be of a few, not many, years, so perhaps I will not live long enough to have to face such problems…
In other words, you have no evidence that anything you fear is going to happen, you are just opposed to new things.
Sorry for having addressed only your first point.
Regarding point 2: Of course I don’t have, no one has: the stuff is not yet produced but in laboratory experiments dealing with the feasibility of producing the stuff, not with the physiological effects or health consequences of it. And, as far as I know, it was not widely “test-consumed” by voluntary population, as
iswas usualy done (and is no more, re mRNA injections), according to the accepted methodology of risk analysis of stuffs for human use/consumption/medication.Regarding poit 3: Perhaps you missed the stress that I have put on LIVING cells. As far as I know, there are NO lab-grown medicines. There are, yes, plenty and good, medicines produced in laboratory by living organisms: v.g., insulin does not “grow” in the laboratory, it is produced in laboratories. What is applied to humans is not the whole living organism but a purified product of its activity, a few molecules produced in the process and then purified. If the producer organism mutates or changes for any reason that affects the chemical composition of the product and make it inactive or dangerous, that can be detected by quality control. On the other hand, consuming a complex stuff made of lab-grown, living cells, enables the transmission of everything that may contaminate them; prions and viruses can be indiscernible in the sense that they do not change the qualities of the product which are checked by quality control, as we have seen with mad cows diswease, unless we are aware that they may be present and thus include them in quality control.
Furthermore: my reservations result from my experience as a microbiologist where I have been acquainted with some accidents in industrial production of molecules by living organisms (such as insulin or … vinegar). Avoiding external contamination in a huge mass-producing industrial plant is not an easy task; it is rather different of making it in small qantities in a laboratory.
Once again, you have no evidence other than this stuff is new, therefor it’s scary.
If you are happy thinking that what you say is what I think, be my guest! Nothing is better than happiness and self-assurance about owns opinions.
You imply that I am against progress. OK, I can understand that, because you don’t know me. But I do not respect your way to reach conclusions without the basic knowledge about what you are opining (in the present case, myself, my ideias and, most of all, my professional career, which would give you plenty of real FACTS contradicting your quick conclusions).
Second, need I remind you of the many, many good scientists from several branches of medicine related with the pandemic who also had no information about the effects of the mRNA injections but who have alerted, based on scientific conjectures drawn from their specialized knowledge, to the POSSIBILITY of a lot of deleterious effects that later were confirmed? Need I remind you that ALL those alerts where ignored and no effort was made to check them BEFORE the official authorization of those mRNA injections?
Have a good day, and be happy with your self-sufficiency.
I remember vCJD – the illustrious Professor Ferguson of Covid doomsday fame predicted thousands of deaths in the UK in the 90’s. Actual death toll was less than 500 I believe.
You are right. But, as I said answering another comment, in those days the health authorities acted according to the established medical practice, so the measures needed and the difusion of correct information tothe people were expedite. I gues if mad cows happened now, it would be very different…
Recent BBQ ahead of municipal public meeting. Optional fake hot dogs left over. Saw 2 people who tried them seruptitiously ditch them. This tells me Leo is seriously taste challenged.
So you are in favor of extinction of domestic cows, pigs, chickens?
Domestic animals are among the greatest human accomplishments. They only exist because humans value them. Their lives and deaths have a good meaning! They add to our lives. Let’s not make them irrelevant.
Good luck with that. The chemical composition of ‘vegan meat’ substitutes is horrific.
I started from wondering about the vitamin and micro-nutrient content of this proposed mush…..
…. it could only = Totally Zero because if any ‘unwanted’ bacteria (source of the vitamins and carriers of the trace elements) got into the process they’d poison said process. And bung up their printing machine.
Thus: think about what they’re proposing/doing here….
edit to PS, how could I forget: coming from the Land Of The Cumberland Sausage ## as I do:
Headline:Sausage maker Heck cuts vegan range as appetite drops
from the source of all the best mush, BBC
there is hope/backlash
## Proper Cumberland sausage is not, should not be, purchased by the pound, ounce, kilogram, hectotonne, terragram, zettasquiggle or whatever
When you go to buy Cumberland sausage you ask for it according the length (feet and inches) that you’d like and the butcher would make it there and then according to your request
It should be very peppery (black pepper) and have nearly recognizable bits of pig inside it
I realised another (literal) killer with this proposed garbage = Pretty well by definition it won’t contain any Collagen
Collagen aka gristle or ‘connective tissue’
Because nobody would eat it – everybody hates eating gristle.
That is of course until they get to the age where (some of us) have a ‘menopause’ or in fact when most of the ones who wouldn’t normally have a menopause get beyond about 30years old
Collagen is what stops the menopausal ones turning into wrinkled old prunes and what helps the younger ones avoid Hypertension.
The animal protein that is= Collagen makes both skin and blood vessels ‘flexible and stretchy/elastic’
It does lots of other useful stuff too.
Otherwise you nearly do develop a ‘Heart of Glass’ – a substance not renowned for being ‘stretchy’ or elastic and when it breaks: you die.
thank you william. thanks for nothing
And one of the best sources for Collagen:
Hot-dogs and other ‘cheap nasty unhealthy’ (e.g. burgers) stuff so despised by ‘The Superior All-Knowing Ones’
You know them: The Ones Who Care.
You know that because they incessantly tell you how much they care and you spot them in a crowd with their grey, wrinkled and prematurely aged skin
(Somebody or something ‘out there’ has an epic and truly wkd GSOH doncha think)
Noone eating Cumberland sausage should complain that other food is imperfectly healthy.
Who cares how “bad” it is for “climate”
How bad will it be for your health relative to the real thing ?
I will be sticking to the real deal meat. Yum !
Soylent Brown is Poople
More on this at
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/05/fake-meat-could-make-25-times-more-co2-than-real-beef/#comment-2671540
In comments there –
“tumour steaks
i’m sure they are on to a real winner there.”
Tumour tartar with a side of crickets anyone?
All of the “plant based” products you now see in the supermarket are highly processed. People have been conned into thinking it’s healthier than the real thing.
Someone ran the ingredient list of a plant based burger and premium dog food side by side, and asked people to guess which was which.
wow. it’s almost as if a billion years of evolution selected for efficiency
If it’s cheaper, it will find a market.
If it’s more expensive, they will always be able to sell it to the wealthier vegetarians and vegans.
“Could be 25x” meanss less than “at least 1.0000001x”
One order of magnitude is 10X, two orders of magnitude is 100X.
25X is in the neighborhood of one order of magnitude.
I won’t eat that stuff out of principle.
I won’t eat the stuff IN Principle either
https://www.powerthesaurus.org/out_of_principle/synonyms
I don’t believe Bill Gates and I don’t trust him.
And of course I don’t like him telling me what to do OK . .
Hey, it will be ok so long as you are vaxxinated. !
The problem is: if this guy and his other billionaire friends buy up all the farmland to stop beef production, they’ll ram their lab meat down our throats. There should be laws protecting farm land, so that farming has to be continued on said land.
Few people with any sense trust Bill Gates. That’s why the first thing I do with a new computer is dump the Windose and load up Linux.
If you can handle installing Linux, you can handle building your own from parts and not paying Gates $100 for a license you don’t need. Bonus is that with your savings on pretty much every component, you can upgrade the CPU and the SSD and maybe even afford a real graphics card.
There are many regions (mountain regions, steppes, islands (Ireland)) where only grass grows. The only way one can easily turn grass into food is with livestock. It’s as simple as that. Added to the fact that nitrous gas or methane are negligible wrt GHG effect vs CO2 or water, it’s absolutely ridiculous to stop classical meat production. People like Branson or Gates need to be stopped. They just want to make more money, even though they have more than enough of it. These people are plainly .. just sick. Greed is the worst trait of all.
We learned about hill farming in school around the age of 11. You can’t plant cereal etc where a tractor can’t plough and sow.
gates now can lock the land up, prevent production.
questions are being asked about the risk of cancer from lab meats as theyre endless reproducing just like the HELa cells.
the pic meat looks like wagyu, bit high fat for avg consumer, trained to eat trimmed cuts -I like fatty meat but many dont.
Iwas saying from the getgo that labmeat was energy intensive power water etc etc nice theyre admitting it now
Think about it, if Gates gains control of our food supply .. and of nanoparticle mRNA technology or DNA technology .. and puts that in our food. The vaccine is nothing compared to that.
Meat does have enzymes, vitamins, minerals, etc. deposited during growth. How many of these are needed by humans? We evolved eating meat as it was grown on the hoof or paw. Somehow I don’t think lab grown meat will include all these necessary ingredients. As a consequence, sometime down the line, guess what supplements these billionaires will develop and sell us?
The whole idea is idiotic because it is utterly unscalable.
This garbage is on par with algae produced oil: nice in theory, but the billions of gallons of water, nutrients, vat capacity, filtration, etc etc are expensive and impossible.
aside from the carbon footprint thing- which of course is of no consequence- the idea of growing meat from stem cells just seems perverse- and gross- Frankinfood
That’s the part that appeals to me. I don’t like thinking about raising animals for food. But human beings eat both plants and meat, so I get over it. The Peta kids are silly.
But we also evolved as hunter/gatherers, and now only a small percentage of the population is involved in getting Bessy to the grocery store in her various forms.
Point being, I’d hesitate to judge either way unless I were raising, slaughtering and preparing the animals myself.
This may end up being a wonderful technology, for reasons having nothing to do with this greenhouse gas = Armageddon religion.
Of course, we’ll never know if we handcuff our ability to produce energy by shutting down fossil fuel plants and investing in unreliables.
It could lead to civil war- not N vs S but the rich + fools vs. the rest of us.
Once again, no free lunch (no pun intended). Not that there is any “climate” problem caused by meat production, that’s more propaganda from the Eco-Nazis.
It would be more energy efficient to feed Bill Gates to hogs.
It wouldn’t work.
Why don’t sharks bite lawyers?
The 270K acres owned by Gates is 422 sq miles. The county I’m in is 2,300’ish sq miles
The Broken O is 124K acres, owned by S Kroenke aka Wal Mart.
They have another ranch of the same caliber
and I’ve heard it said that they sell all their production thru their stores. I’ve
heard the same about McDonalds, in that they control the production and the sales.
The status of beef production has changes
a lot over the years. I’ve heard it said that the order buyers only want to see
the genetics on the bulls before the deal. In other words they know how it will
grade just by the genetics. We buy all our beef from a local farm to table guy. That the
trend I see being successful, esp over big Ag and this Gates climate play.
Seeing Cargill involved with this is no surprise, big Ag is all about power
and control. The MT USDA inspector J Legg was involved is some corrupt
stuff that made the local press a few years ago.
https://mtstandard.com/news/local/feds-admit-harassing-small-butte-meat-plant-but-take-no-action/article_22db6b9c-a417-5d85-9c22-4e8424d6c9cf.html
Big AG controls all the meat production in this country in one way or another.
Support your congresspeople who are at least trying to keep the CCP from buying US farmland.
Bill Gates may be rich, erratic, and sometimes wrongheaded, but he has nothing compared to the wealth, power, and perversity of the CCP.
The ChiComs can’t feed themselves. It’s not just the outright ownership it’s
also the production they buy. For example in MT they buy something like 10K
tons of alfalfa hay. It’s said to be shipped to a facility in Mud Lake ID where
is is ground up and loaded into shipping containers which ends up on the W
coast and onto empty container ships..One of our Senators, Steve Daines (R)
spent something like 8 yrs living in mainland China working for Proctor
and Gamble. I don’t trust him on much. The climate in China won’t grow
alfalfa which they need for milk production.
When the Leggs Regs story came out he was spouting
off on how he and the other Senator and Rep were going to ‘get to the bottom’
ect… All BS.. but yea I agree the ChiComs should not own any property
esp farmland. We have gone deep from corporatism into straight fascism.
What this brings to mind is the move Soylent Green. They are just warming us up for the ultimate recycling program, that of humans.
The best laboratory in the world for making beef is called a COW.
The cow becomes pregnant and without any human intervention or artificial intelligence and after nine months a calf is born , fully operational.
The calf suckles milk from the cow with all the nutrients needed for growth .
Not a scientist or lab technician anywhere all ‘completely automated ‘.
The fuel for the cow-lab is grass that is a renewable resource and eventually the calf starts eating grass ,growing into a cow or a bull.
Grass fed beef ,the best you will ever eat , why would anybody ever consider gunk from a vat.
So it’s bad for the environment to use plastic straws, but good for the environment to eat plastic meat?
Just don’t invest in, or buy lab meat from SiFi centralizing money grubbers. It’s time to side step the SiFi market creators who now have a totally endemically powerful way to convince you need what they have to sell. Just ignore their power and vote ‘no’ with your dollars.
TVP Texturized vegetable protein has been be around since the 1960’s. There are plenty of ways to build a perfectly fine vegan or vegetarian culinary system for your home without resorting to industrial lab created artificial meat…. and will taste far better.
I know because I was raised vegan and was deeply involved in the vegetarian restaurant business in the 1980’s…… as a omnivore simply because I was fascinated with vegetarian cuisine. especially central Asian and Eastern European non-meat dishes…also all the lovely dal dishes of Ethiopia.
For Gates, the problem is people and their consumption. He is megalomaniacal fear monger and desires to control our choices and our dollars, while at the same time instilling seeds of despair that would discourage us from having children.
Lab meat does not do the work of feeding itself on grass. It takes industrial farm inputs … big capital and tons of oil and natural gas.
I doubt Gates cares about methane. He wants to re-wild the plains states…. and anyone as smart as he is would know that means the return of Bison and other big wild grazers like Elk. If their numbers return to pre-1800 levels, will produce more methane than all the humans and their cattle in the USA.
60 million Bison in USA in 1800 and 10 million elk. Currently, the US has 38 million heads of cattle. Crunch the numbers yourself.
The dude (SiFi Gates) and his cohorts are buying up 100,000s of acres of former grazing land for cattle out west. The dude solves for pattern like no one else other than the IT machine….which it is likely he is using to leverage the market Take hundreds of thousands of acres of grazing/hay lands out of production means reducing hay production and beef supply and increasing the value of his land investments and people clamor to buy more land to maintain beef supply as prices go up Eventually, beef goes so high that lab fake meat becomes a viable market. The beef market collapses or goes side ways into the marginal lands until the regulators stop it.. As the value goes up, he buys more land on the margin…. and so on. Time for some old fashion trust busting. 100 years from now, there are 60 million Bison farting all over the plains….. and no people.
Stop eating real beef… more grass grows… more Carbon… more grass grows… start investing now in mowers and balers… form a Construction company to build straw-bale homes… and etc.
Always a silver lining for someone.