The Conversation: Climate “scepticism is rapidly becoming a topic for historians”

According to University of Sunshine Coast academics, it might be possible to persuade skeptics, but “Climate Change is upon us”, so skepticism is fading away anyway.

Inside the mind of a sceptic: the ‘mental gymnastics’ of climate change denial


  • Senior Lecturer in Psychology, University of the Sunshine Coast

  • Professor of Geography, School of Law and Society, University of the Sunshine Coast

Published: September 13, 2022 3.32pm AEST

The numbers of climate sceptics are dwindling. But they remain a noisy and at times powerful minority that continues to have political influence. This group is unmoved by the near-universal agreement among scientists on the reality and impact of climate change.

Our latest study of Australian sceptics focused on potentially more malleable factors – including the thought processes of people who reject climate science messaging. Our findings suggest some people reject consensus science and generate other explanations due to mistrust in climate science and uncritical faith in “alternative science”.

So how do we begin to change minds?

In all, our results suggest climate change scepticism may be influenced by:

  • favoured explanations of pseudoscience and/or belief that events happen by chance
  • a belief that the problem is too large, complex and costly for individuals to deal with alone.

Unlike sociodemographic characteristics, these thought processes may more open to targeted public messaging.

In the end, reality bites. Multi-year droughts and successive never-before-seen floods will struggle to fit a sceptic narrative of yet another “one-in-100-year event”. Even the attitudes of Australian farmers, including some of the most entrenched sceptics, are shifting.

Climate change is upon us, and scepticism is rapidly becoming a topic for historians, not futurists.

Read more: https://theconversation.com/inside-the-mind-of-a-sceptic-the-mental-gymnastics-of-climate-change-denial-189645

The abstract of the study;

Associations of locus of control, information processing style and anti-reflexivity with climate change scepticism in an Australian sample

Breanna C. Fraser https://orcid.org/0000-0001-6660-2934
Rachael Sharman https://orcid.org/0000-0002-3630-1046 rsharman@usc.edu.au,
and Patrick D. Nunn https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9295-5741

Abstract

A proportion of the Australian public remains sceptical about the reality of climate change, its causes, impacts and the need for mitigatory action. To date, scepticism research largely focuses on factors highly resistant to change, particularly socio-demographic and value factors. This mixed-methods study investigated whether more malleable psychological factors: locus of control; information processing style; and anti-reflexivity, predicted climate change scepticism above and beyond socio-demographic and value factors. A sample of 390 participants (Mean age = 41.31, standard deviation = 18.72; 230 male) completed an electronic survey. Using hierarchical regression, trust in forces of anti-reflexivity and external locus of control predicted impact scepticism. Decreased trust in forces of reflexivity also predicted attribution and impact scepticism. Finally, external locus of control predicted response scepticism. Key qualitative themes identified were, trust in alternative science; mistrust of climate science; belief in natural cycles; predictions not becoming reality; and ulterior motives of interested parties.

Read more: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/09636625221116502

Anti-reflexivity is defined by one of the referenced studies as “… a collective force defending the industrial capitalist system against claims that the system causes serious problems …” – in other words, people who believe capitalism is working.

Alternative science is less clearly defined, but the authors appear to use alternative science, distrust in climate science and pseudoscience interchangeably in their Conversation article, so I think we get the idea.

There has been a recent uptick of climate concern in Australia – but there is no evidence this is anything other than one of our regular cyclical shifts. Australia appears to follow a similar pattern to other Western nations – a rise in climate concern, the election of a left wing government, economically damaging green policies like carbon pricing, a recession, and finally a return to the starting point, as economic hardship refocuses voters’ attention on real problems.

Frankly in my opinion this conversation article is a very poor effort. I was expecting to see some revelation, an attempt to say something new. Instead the authors of this drivel appear to be repeating the same tired anti-capitalist prejudice we see time after time from Australian academia, combined with an intolerance for deviation from the author’s favoured narratives, all thinly dressed up with a few jargon terms.

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PCman999
September 13, 2022 10:06 pm

Typical leftist playbook, don’t debate and just claim victory.

Been correct doesn’t matter, political power is the goal.

Mark BLR
Reply to  PCman999
September 14, 2022 3:59 am

Typical leftist playbook, don’t debate and just claim victory.

Another poster put it eloquently under a previous WUWT article about a “The Conversation” article (about Bjorn Lomborg that time, direct link).

Their (hopefully) last chance is stating that ‘it’ is accepted, and that now the effort needs to be directed toward how we as a society respond to the accepted ‘it’.

They can’t prove ‘it’

They can’t define ‘it’

They can’t defend that ‘it’ exists, outside of premise.

But they want to move on and discuss how to protect ourselves from ‘it’.

NB : I agree with both of you on this aspect.

davidf
September 13, 2022 10:09 pm

I think Peak Academic Lunacy is a bit like Peak Oil – just when you think we must surely be approaching it, further vast reservoirs are discovered.

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Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  davidf
September 13, 2022 11:06 pm

At the University of Sunshine Coast.

paul
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
September 14, 2022 1:51 pm

that U of Sunshine Coast has to be a misnomer because there ain’t no sunshine where they got their heads

Slowroll
Reply to  davidf
September 14, 2022 10:02 am

That’s because they have a contest going. Prizes to whomever comes up with the silliest outrageous leftocrat crap each week. Kinda like the ministry of silly walks.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  davidf
September 14, 2022 3:46 pm

Winner!

PCman999
September 13, 2022 10:12 pm

“Instead the authors of this drivel appear to be repeating the same tired anti-capitalist prejudice we see time after time from Australian academia, combined with an intolerance for deviation from the author’s favoured narratives, all thinly dressed up with a few jargon terms.”

It’s also a bold faced attempt to grab some of that climate cash grant money that their colleagues in the physical sciences have been enjoying for decades.

Those in psychology and sociology were getting jealous.

Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
Reply to  PCman999
September 13, 2022 10:47 pm

If indeed Climate Change is real, what can be do e without having to first wreak the Economy.

As the Greens are against Nuclear generation, how about renewables.

We need a working g test run of Renewaes, is it workable.

At lat we do have one.

Type in ” King Island,Tasmania Hydro.”.

Select from the text & up will come a switchboard showing in real time what is happening.

Now King Island is situated between the Island of Tasmania & the mainland State of Victoria.

Thhis is the Roaring 40 tees of the days of saving ships.

It has a mostly steady wind, from West to East.

Also a reasonable amount of Sunlight.

The arrangement was set up by Hydro Tasmania & the Fedetal Government to see if renewables are a practical method of reducing the use of fossel fuel.

Bring it up, & you be the judge.

Michael VK5ELL

MarkH
Reply to  Michael ElliottMichael Elliott
September 13, 2022 11:34 pm

Wouldn’t it be nice if they included some charting more than just a real time snapshot. Looking at it now (~4:30pm EST), it’s about 50/50 wind and diesel…. ;-/

From their spiel:
When conditions are suitable our hybrid power system delivers 100% of island’s power from renewable sources,”

When conditions are suitable indeed.

” The system has, on average, more than 20% per annum of ‘diesel-off’ or 100% renewable operation, including periods of several continuous days with no use of diesel generation, a world record for a grid of this scale.”

So, 20% of the time… and if you scaled it up by 5 times, you’d have adequate power about 20% of the time, because the wind doesn’t blow when the wind doesn’t blow.

roaddog
Reply to  MarkH
September 15, 2022 1:05 am

Math is hard.

MarkH
Reply to  PCman999
September 13, 2022 11:07 pm

The climate activists don’t want to save the planet, or even help the poor (another thing they claim to do), they just hate Capitalism. If they go through with their plans, as is happening in places like Sri Lanka, they will create utter environmental devastation, there will scarcely be a tree or animal left after massive populations are driven to starvation. They will cut down forests to cook and heat homes and eat everything that can be caught, including their seed corn.

A cynical view of this is that the neo-Marxists saw that classical Marxism didn’t take hold in industrialized societies because the people were too comfortable. So, in order to bring on the revolution, to lead to the supposed utopia, they must first destroy the existing society such that the people are sufficiently deprived that they will accept Communism.

Of course, this will not work, and will probably be worse than all of the failures of Communism of the 20th century combined. They have failed Karl Poppers’ paradox of tolerance, in that they are incapable of participating in rational discourse with those who they disagree with. They are intolerant of tolerance, nothing but total acceptance of their beliefs and belief systems will do. We’re heading into dangerous waters.

Reply to  MarkH
September 14, 2022 12:45 am

Roger Scruton identified another and more plausible motive. These are minor academics, who normally no one listens to. Marxism empowers them and gives them attention and justifies their grab for power, morally.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  MarkH
September 14, 2022 3:50 pm

How fast does that ‘seed corn’ run… I’m elderly, but I figure I can catch some..

MarkW
Reply to  PCman999
September 14, 2022 7:28 am

Anti-capitalism seems to be a feature of academia world wide. Not just in Australia.
I suspect it comes from the left wing conceit that they are always the smartest people in the room. Therefor the rest of us should just shut up, sit down and do as we are told.

Slowroll
Reply to  MarkW
September 14, 2022 10:06 am

That conceit comes from suffering from the Dunning-Kreuger effect, which is also described as premeditated stupidity.

Sturmudgeon
Reply to  MarkW
September 14, 2022 3:51 pm

Comes from never having had to produce in a real job…

Andy Espersen
September 13, 2022 10:44 pm

Yes, Climate Change is upon us – I agree. I was born 1935. Generally speaking, our climate is warmer here in the temperate zones these days – than when I was young.

But, so what! Is that any reason to panic? Over all, since the climatic maximum about 7000 years ago, when eustatic sea level was about 2 meters higher than now, average global temperatures have been falling (as more and more ice piled up in both northern and southern hemispheres) – with discernible ups and downs every 1000 years or so (for example, it was warmer in Greenland 1000 years ago).

One must presume (??) that we are heading towards our next 100,000 years long ice age (which has been the normal state of affairs these latest 2.5 million years).

MarkW
Reply to  Andy Espersen
September 14, 2022 7:31 am

On the other hand, here in the US, it’s still cooler than it was in the 1930’s.

garboard
Reply to  MarkW
September 14, 2022 8:07 am

summers in the 30’s were amazingly hot , but i think some of the winters were also very cold . one of the peculiarities of measuring average yearly global temps . you can have record warm summers and record cold winters and you end up just having an average year .

Robert Wager
Reply to  garboard
September 14, 2022 9:32 am

Looks like this will be our year on Canadian West Coast (again)

M Courtney
Reply to  Andy Espersen
September 14, 2022 10:04 am

This is the key point. This is why the article is fundamentally flawed.

The columnist assumes that “Climate Sceptics” think the climate doesn’t change. Thus they assume that a changing climate refutes scepticism.

But actually “Climate Sceptics” think the climate does change, it has always changed and that there’s no evidence that man’s influence is changing anything much relative to what happens anyway.

The premise is flawed. “Climate Sceptics” never thought that.

paul courtney
Reply to  M Courtney
September 15, 2022 8:01 am

My fellow Courtney: CliScis thrive on flawed premises. They continue to be driven to find propaganda that works, and never look back at the foundation.

Jeff Reppun
Reply to  Andy Espersen
September 14, 2022 1:39 pm

I believe there is some debate as to it being warmer now than the 1930’s although I do agree we are, thankfully, moving in a general warming direction since the bottom of the Little Ice Age.

MarkH
September 13, 2022 10:46 pm

targeted public messaging”

Here comes the Nudge units. They used Nudge (Behavioural Psychology) units extensively throughout the COVID pandemic to “persuade” people to do things and make choices (for their own good, in their minds) against their own personal beliefs.

Nudge theory, as per my understanding of it, boils down to emotional manipulation to get people to make the “right choice”, where that choice is whatever the “expert” in charge decides. It uses fear, guilt and shame primarily to coerce people into submitting to outcomes that they would not freely choose.

Be aware of this, that is the best defense against it. If you know they are trying to manipulate you, it becomes very hard for them to successfully manipulate you. Live not by lies.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  MarkH
September 14, 2022 1:16 am

To do this one has to bury your head and abandon common sense i.e. to avoid observing closely and carefully thinking through the alarmist claims. To date every one of the thousands of predictions that the world would have ended by now has not come true – these are all false prophets.

MarkH
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
September 14, 2022 2:17 am

Yet the vast majority of people do avoid thinking in any detail about the reality of the world. Not just in relation to climate, but in many fields.

They are easily manipulated by fear, guilt and shame to the point that they demand that their politicians enact policies that strip them off their rights and property. Tyrants and dictators have known this and used it for centuries. The big risk this time is that it seems to be global, there will be no one to come to the rescue and no where to run to.

joe x
Reply to  MarkH
September 14, 2022 5:26 am

well said.

Streetcred
September 13, 2022 10:49 pm

They’re smoking way too much weed up there at that 2-bit ‘university’ on the Sunshine Coast. If your academic bubble excludes contrarian viewpoints then you’re not going to have much of a clue.

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OweninGA
Reply to  Streetcred
September 14, 2022 5:17 am

True, but they work so hard to maintain that bubble. Candidates for academic positions that express logical thought and avoidance of groupthink are not considered for those position. Academia has completely abandoned any pretense of diversity of thought. Even in the sciences, it is no longer possible to argue from facts. Bring up the replication crisis and you may be packing your things before the end of the workday.

Art Slartibartfast
September 13, 2022 10:53 pm

The thing is that the authors of this study are not susceptible to reason. I could list page after page of rational reasons why the facts do not justify the far reaching, costly measures that climate policies dictate, point out the inconsistencies. The reality is also that ideology makes alarmists deaf and blind to these arguments. Yeah, I know, preaching to the choir here.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Art Slartibartfast
September 14, 2022 4:51 am

Yes, but it needed to be said. 🙂

Phillip Bratby
September 13, 2022 11:03 pm

Is it April 1st when they mention “consensus science”! What idiots.

Simonfromashby
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
September 14, 2022 4:13 am

I think it must April 1st every day at the University of Sunshine Coast.

I’m reminded of a saying – “it’s better that people think you’re a fool than open your mouth and prove it.”

garboard
Reply to  Simonfromashby
September 14, 2022 8:09 am

anything is possible if you don’t know what you’re talking about

September 13, 2022 11:14 pm

What next.
1984 is coming quickly.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HenryP
September 14, 2022 4:52 am

Damn near here!

The Biden Police State Purges seem to have begun. The FBI rousted the My Pillow Guy yesterday! Among many others.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 14, 2022 8:20 am

The FBI alleges that he was suspected of being involved in a fight and was apprehended for assault with a pillow. They will also be examining his phone for classified documents from Trump, and if found, charged with possessing stolen government bits. 🙂

Brad-DXT
September 13, 2022 11:17 pm

Our findings suggest some people reject consensus science and generate other explanations due to mistrust in climate science and uncritical faith in “alternative science”.”

Consensus science is the true “alternative science”. Science by vote?
Academia has really hit an all time low.

These dim bulbs think they can baffle people with bull**** because they can’t dazzle anyone with their brilliance.
Whoever is paying them should try to get their money back.

Surrr
September 13, 2022 11:19 pm

Yeah, the world is about to go over the economic cliff with the possibility of 100 million people starving to death and these morons think sun mirrors and wind mills will feed the masses and keep a roof our heads.

Disputin
Reply to  Surrr
September 14, 2022 3:17 am

‘…keep a roof our heads.’

No, keep a roof over their heads

MarkW
Reply to  Disputin
September 14, 2022 7:35 am

The poloi are not entitled to roofs.

Stephen Wilde
September 13, 2022 11:27 pm

Is it gibberish or a new language designed to manipulate and control whole populations.
Academia seems to have split from reality and entered a bubble of fantasy with visions of left wing/authoritarian ideological purity.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 14, 2022 4:59 am

Yes, there are a whole lot of people living in alternate realities right now. Courtesy of the lying Leftwing Media.

OweninGA
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 14, 2022 5:19 am

As they have managed to create that world on campus, I doubt they see it as a problem.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
September 14, 2022 8:22 am

They are on a holy crusade to dispatch those tilting at windmills.

Dena
September 13, 2022 11:46 pm

When I read something like that, it’s almost like reading something from the pen of Joseph Goebbels. To be right on a subject, you need to do two things.
First you must constantly examine your argument for flaws in your reasoning. If you find a flaw you must correct your argument.
Second, you must address arguments made by other. This doesn’t mean sticking your fingers in you ears and saying la la la. It means pointing out exactly were the problem is and accepting parts of the argument that are valid.
This paper is based on the idea that if you don’t accept their argument, you are incapable of correctly evaluating the facts. The truth is the authors of the paper either don’t accept the facts or belittle them. A failure to understand the other side is source of disagreements and until we can sit down and have an adult conversation, this nonsense will continue for a long time.

Doc Chuck
September 13, 2022 11:52 pm

There was a time in this elder observer’s youth when every ‘hard science’ was a stirringly incomplete, dynamic approximation of a carefully exercised discipline that awaited further sequential discoveries (from perhaps newly applied apparatus) in order to continue filling in some unknown intervening landscape. With the current hubris of associated academics smugly willing to abuse their fellows for not utterly subscribing to a favored notion of the final state of things, why would anyone study climatology with the prospect of advancing fully settled knowledge? Doesn’t this aversion to critical discussion evidence a rather desperate fear of being discovered in a convenient falsehood?

OweninGA
Reply to  Doc Chuck
September 14, 2022 5:22 am

Why study climate science? As a famous bank robber once said: “Because that’s where the money is.”

Until the grants stop flowing, there will be a new cadre of maleducated climate dunces filling the ranks.

Dena
Reply to  OweninGA
September 14, 2022 8:45 pm

William Francis Sutton Jr. One who died of old age outside prison. He never killed anybody which is probably why he had a long life.

Slowroll
Reply to  Doc Chuck
September 14, 2022 10:09 am

Yep.

Grahame
September 14, 2022 12:25 am

Or perhaps it’s just that the expression of any slightly sceptical viewpoint just gets shouted down and ridiculed. People then give up saying anything and just nod at the nonsense and look around for some government handouts and subsidies.
That’s pretty much my approach these days.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Grahame
September 14, 2022 2:05 am

Yep. The Bandar-log are getting more and more shrill every day as they see their pet hypothesis becoming less and less likely to be true.

Disputin
Reply to  Oldseadog
September 14, 2022 3:20 am

Brother, your tail hangs down behind!

September 14, 2022 12:42 am

Ah.The bait and switch of typical Marxist dialetic
The climate is changing! (The climate is always changing)
What’s changed to make it different? (nothing was changed – in reality it is no different)
It must be human caused (In Marxism, humans cause everything bad via the original sin of capitalism)
The only solution is massive central repression of people – (not by each other, but by the State)!
Anyone who declares that climate change isn’t caused by humans, is silencd with the metaphysical statement of ‘prove what is causing it, then’ which cannot be done. Ergo its human caused!
Anyone who attempts to refute this is silly because they are represented as denying not that climate change is man made, but that climate itself changes, which is of course clearly wrong.

Straight out of the soviet Propaganda Playbook.
I wonder whether climate alarmism will mysteriously disappear once the Russian federation totally collapses.

OweninGA
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 14, 2022 5:29 am

And yet the Russian climate model is the one closest to gross temperature observation. (I haven’t looked to see how its components stack up: does it get the atmosphere right? Does it get the oceans right? Does it get precipitation right? etc.)

Russia has sometimes been a little schizophrenic on science questions. Maybe the Lysenko affair taught the government to back off of science as propaganda a little, but they still use an all-hands approach to advancing government policy.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  OweninGA
September 14, 2022 9:38 am

They might be hands off on their own science propaganda but, they are all hands on deck on corrupting other countries’ science and political policy.

September 14, 2022 1:16 am

No mention of a great defeat for Climate Alarmism in Australia, the once-and-for-all end to the fear-mongering about “new-normal” persistent droughts, a grant and publicity generating campaign in recent decades. Droughts and floods have continued since records began, with little sign of any change for many decades (SW Western Australia is an exception, that region is a bit drier than it was 100 years ago).

Here is Brisbane as an example:

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HotScot
September 14, 2022 1:19 am

Dear God, these people really are delusional.

Was someone actually paid to produce this garbage?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  HotScot
September 14, 2022 8:27 am

I don’t think that The Conversation pays authors. These, mostly young, academics are looking for any way that they can pad their CVs.

Ian Bryce
September 14, 2022 1:22 am

In 1988 when James Hansen spoke to Congress, the average UAH temp for 1988 was -0.10C. The average UAH temp for 2022 is +0.11C. Hardly rampart global warming in 34 years.

Alasdair
Reply to  Ian Bryce
September 14, 2022 5:01 am

Yes and my mercury thermometer can barely measure these insignificant figures, if at all.

Robert B
September 14, 2022 2:15 am

I almost vomit when reading propaganda that was dreamt up at a bar and labelled as a study.

There is severe depression along with the retching when it’s a barely disguised threat of being on the wrong side of history if you actually behave like a scientist.

another ian
September 14, 2022 2:20 am

Was that an original from that well known publisher

ACOS

(A Crock Of S—?”

Steve G
September 14, 2022 2:35 am

Maybe the climate scientists can create a new model. One that helps them understand the complex cognitive systems and relationships inside the mind of the sceptic.– Yep that will work.

John L
September 14, 2022 2:44 am

I think the finding that people with an external locus of control support climate change scepticism to be absolutely surprising. Surely it is the other way round, people who don’t think for themselves follow the accepted line

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John L
September 14, 2022 5:27 am

Yes, if they thought for themselves, they would be skeptics, because there is no evidence CO2 is doing what the alarmists claim it is doing with regard to the Earth’s weather. There is no evidence CO2 is doing anything to change the Earth’s weather. That’s what someone who thought for themselves would find if they cared to look.

Slowroll
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 14, 2022 10:13 am

Group think is always the foundation for evil. And those who think for themselves are first censored, then censured, then purged.

Climate believer
September 14, 2022 3:12 am

The gall of these people to accuse us of having to do the mental gymnastics.

I don’t have to do any scientology gymnastics when they say that the oceans in 2019 were 0.075 °C above the average for 1981 to 2010, to see that their “cataclysmic climate change”™ is beyond ridiculous.

A global study of public opinion by SAP & Qualtrics for the WEF at Davos, found that trust in scientists has mainly gone down, not up.
The reality is that the public are much more skeptical than these activists would have us believe.

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Speed
September 14, 2022 3:38 am

University of the Sunshine Coast.

UniSC is rated as one of Australia’s best universities for overall student experience. Immerse yourself in campus life and you’ll find new and interesting people and opportunities to learn, connect and make new friends.

We’ve got a lot going on here at UniSC. From feeding seaweed to cows to cut methane emissions, to creating a life-saving vaccine for koalas, to immersing our students in their studies by taking them out of textbooks and into 3D and virtual reality learning experiences.

Come as you are. We know you’ll feel at home at UniSC.

https://www.usc.edu.au/study/life-at-unisc

H.R.
Reply to  Speed
September 14, 2022 4:49 am

Rolled my eyes so hard I sprained an eyeball over that one, Speed.

Alasdair
Reply to  Speed
September 14, 2022 5:09 am

Yes come to the lovely LaLa land of sunshine and virtual “wish list” learning experience.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Speed
September 14, 2022 8:30 am

… taking them out of textbooks and into 3D …

I don’t think that they mean doing field work.

MarkW
Reply to  Speed
September 14, 2022 2:06 pm

When they have to tout the experience over the learning, you already know that they are going to skimp on the education.

Mac
September 14, 2022 3:44 am

A proctologist examining these people who publish these “studies” might find out where their brains are located and how they are able to pull studies like this from their nether regions. That goes for those that produce this nonsense and the people from the journals who actually publish the so call climate studies.

UK-Weather Lass
September 14, 2022 4:00 am

Here is an example of how dishonest our public servants are in reality whatever facts others in positions of influence may tell us are true.
 
 
 
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/09/14/cdc-admits-it-falsely-claimed-it-was-monitoring-vaccine-safety-but-still-wont-release-the-full-data/
 
 
 
Given the many similar instances of mistrust from public servants revealed to us it should not surprise our influencers, leaders, politicians, scientists etc. that we wish our arguments to be addressed and discussed before considering their validity and whether they are believable or not. It is much healthier for society for each of us to study further if we can to help everybody towards what the truth really is. That is taking responsibility for our own actions and not simply joining in and telling lies for lies sake.
 
 
 
Just because a human being says another human being is wrong does not make it true. The truth may be elusive but we all have the god given right to make our own minds up and not be suckered into believing in lies and propaganda just because someone tells or even commands us to.

Tom Abbott
September 14, 2022 4:22 am

From the article: “So how do we begin to change minds?”

Well, you could start by providing some evidence that CO2 is doing what you claim it is doing. So far, all we get from alarmists are unsubstantiated assumptions, and assertions, but no real evidence for anything they claim.

Providing evidence ought to be easy to do, if you have any evidence. But you don’t. That’s your real problem with skeptics. You don’t have the evidence, and skeptics know it.

Tom Abbott
September 14, 2022 4:28 am

From the article:”Unlike sociodemographic characteristics, these thought processes may more open to targeted public messaging.”

These authors are aiming to perfect their climate change propaganda techniques.

It’s not going to work. What you need is what you don’t have: Evidence that CO2 is causing Earth’s weather to change.

Tom Abbott
September 14, 2022 4:31 am

From the article: “Climate change is upon us, and scepticism is rapidly becoming a topic for historians, not futurists.”

That sounds like wishful thinking to me. What’s the psychological description for that? Denial?

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Gregory Woods
September 14, 2022 4:41 am

There is no science like Woke Science, no science I know…

Jeff
September 14, 2022 4:57 am

As usual following the science is a convenience for agendas, otherwise the science is ignored.

Mark Whitney
September 14, 2022 5:16 am

It appears to simply be desperation, another attempt to keep Bernie propped up for another weekend.
The publication clearly needs a name change. Monologue would be more apropos since a conversation generally requires more than one voice.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mark Whitney
September 14, 2022 8:35 am

The Conversation has publicly announced that they may remove reader comments that they feel are false or not sufficiently reverential towards the author(s).

observa
September 14, 2022 6:13 am

Whereas:
Reflexivity is defined as climate catastrophism is a great opportunity to show how socialism can really work this time around at fixing the weather as well as the trains running on time.
Locus of control is the same old Fearless Leader show trials and gulags for skeptics.

MarkW
September 14, 2022 7:24 am

Is skepticism fading away. or is cancel culture becoming more successful?

DMacKenzie
September 14, 2022 7:25 am

Skepticism and denialism are two different things. The greenmunist goal is to denigrate skeptics into irrelevancy by declaring them to be “deniers” to circumvent the rationalism and pragmatisn that are part of skepticism. Seems like these UniSC folks are on point with the program.

garboard
September 14, 2022 7:57 am

they’ve been very successful at erasing the past , not least thru the internet , if you don’t know the past or have a very warped picture of it , every weather event is unprecedented

Andy Pattullo
September 14, 2022 8:03 am

Letting these folks opine on topics of science is like letting the inmates of a forensic psychiatric facility do all the care giving and prescribing while the keepers are locked up in the cells.

Clyde Spencer
September 14, 2022 8:10 am

(Mean age = 41.31, standard deviation = 18.72; 230 male)

They display the mean to 1/100th of a year, or about +/- 2 days uncertainty, when they probably asked the participants their ages as the number of birthdays they have celebrated. That is, one customarily truncates their age rather than rounding to the nearest year. Therefore, the mean isn’t even accurate, let alone as precise as they imply; it is almost certainly larger. These are innumerate ‘researchers’ who just plug numbers into an equation without giving any thought to whether what they are doing is correct. What are the chances that they are equally sloppy with the rest of their statistics and thinking?

It was published in The Conversation; one need not say more. The Conversation is where academics go when they can’t get published anywhere else.

Bill
September 14, 2022 9:13 am

Reality bites – right just ask Germans

Forrest
September 14, 2022 9:34 am

So I agree that there is Climate Change… In the past 12,000 years I believe that the levels of the ocean has moved as much as 127 feet below current day and as much as 7 to 9 feet above.

That is a great deal of change in a very limited amount of time. It means the ocean ( on average ) changed 3.4 mm a year – with of course some times being FAR more than that.

I can ONLY assume those changes were due to ‘climate change’

Also how can the land and cultivation usage of land NOT change and impact the climate around us? The UHI is real.

So when people ask me is there climate change – of course there is. But is it DUE to the increase of CO2? Sure – a little – just like all the other issues – which could be considered additive.

However it is inconvenient to brain wash people with complex systems that would potentially create conflict and questions. So…

DonM
Reply to  Forrest
September 14, 2022 1:15 pm

You, then, are (at a minimum) definitely subject to:

“locus of control; information processing style; and anti-reflexivity” issues.

Robert Wager
September 14, 2022 9:37 am

The PDO and the AMO heading “south” coupled with severe natural gas supplies spells “A winter(s) of discontent”. Buckle up Europe.

Robert Wager
September 14, 2022 9:39 am

Follow the data. Model outputs ARE NOT DATA.

Mike Maguire
September 14, 2022 9:40 am

“So how do we begin to change minds?”

They would actually need to apply the complete opposite of many of their current tactics based on reasons stated below………which would require the change to come from that source but here are some good suggestions(some are a bit repetitive)

  1. Give much more weighting to empirical data and let that guide your interpretations.
  2. Use scientifically honest representations. For instance, not twisting a 1 in 25 year rain event (Dallas, TX August 2022) into a 1 in a 1,000 year rain event. Stop violating the Golden Rule of Climate Extremes and blaming events caused by natural variation on the climate crisis.
  3. Practice the Scientific Method. Scrutinize your own position and its flaws vs doing scientific somersaults and applying clever manipulative use of facts to manufacture and support narratives that defend your position.
  4. In doing the above, it would become obvious that climate change has featured some huge benefits and that we are actually experiencing a climate optimum for most life. A greening planet with a corresponding increase of food for creatures, including humans for instance. Deaths from extreme weather plummeting lower the last 100 years. No mention of those facts and benefits in the discussion is indisputable evidence of a tunnel vision/one sided view that alienates all people that incorporate a comprehensive, objective view which includes ALL the evidence/empirical data defining this realm.
  5. Stop practicing climate religion based on faith and practice climate science.
  6. Stop believing in everything based on it lining up with the cognitive bias of human nature telling you to believe it.
  7. Separate the science from the politics currently driving this field.
  8. Separate the science from energy delivery systems and crony capitalism related to that.
  9. Understand that people like me and others with this position are actually enthusiastically practicing environmentalists that understand the damages of over consumption of natural but finite resources in the material world and the need to reign in REAL pollution.
  10. Use that and authentic scientific principles above, along with the truth so that we can work together to accomplish positive objectives and not fight over the wasting of the majority of resources that features targeting, almost entirely a scientific/biological beneficial gas and building block of life, CO2.
  11. Stop ignoring and in fact CAUSING the much more environmentally damaging solutions to the planet like wind turbine energy………which would become obvious if the objective mindset/principles above were able to be applied/achieved.
  12. Forget the objective of “changing minds” to convert people to “the cause” and let authentic science and truth lead the way.
Mike Maguire
Reply to  Mike Maguire
September 14, 2022 2:02 pm

Many of us make it a top priority to be good stewards of the planet while protecting life on it. Mischaracterizing us to elevate yourselves to a moral high ground, especially by prominent activist hypocrites that gobble up 20 times more natural resources than the people they lecture to is offensive.

markl
September 14, 2022 9:52 am

“Our findings suggest some people reject consensus science.” There’s no such thing as ‘consensus’ in the scientific model. What they are referring to is consensus opinion.

Slowroll
Reply to  markl
September 14, 2022 10:20 am

They forget that historically, one brave guy did research that blew apart the prevailing consensus many times. Think planetary epicycles, phlogiston, luminiferous aether, sepsis in hospitals, etc, etc.

Fran
September 14, 2022 9:58 am

I am skeptical of their measures, because “external locus of control” implies that the “climate skeptics” they found do not believe that their actions control their world. This is a personality characteristic and I would suggest that the work that climate skeptics do suggests they do believe their actions can have effects – certainly true of Antony Watts.

Instead, their “external locus of control” seems to be a view of the weather as not controlled by human factors.

ATheoK
September 14, 2022 11:18 am

Bells are ringing!

Rachael Sharman

Senior Lecturer in Psychology, University of the Sunshine Coast

Patrick D. Nunn

Professor of Geography, School of Law and Society, University of the Sunshine Coast”

Soft pseudo science pretenders fantasizing that they have a smidgen of validity by demonizing sceptics that understand real science and demand real science.

A Senior Lecturer in Psychology and a Professor of Geography…
I get the feeling that the geographer doesn’t understand the geology that underlies geography nor the people and their cultures inhabiting geography.

lee riffee
September 14, 2022 12:42 pm

What I don’t get is every time some organization, commentator or whoever comes up with a gripe claiming they can’t understand the mind of those who disagree with them, is why they refuse to see the very plain as day reason as to why. Well, maybe not the only reason, but surely a huge elephant in the room that gets overlooked in favor of “big oil” and other apparently nefarious groups.
Perhaps if they actually bothered to do surveys and ask everyday people – and not just ask them their notions about climate change. But ask them if they are OK to do without 24/7 inexpensive electricity, are OK to be told what kind of vehicle they may purchase, where they can live, how they can (and cannot) heat their homes, what they can (and can’t) eat, etc, etc….
My guess is there would be a flat out NO from nearly 100% of respondents. Well, maybe not quite that high if asked of people in a very blue city, but still most people would not want this kind of control.
That would be like if someone went to their doctor for warts on their feet, and the doctor recommends immediate amputation of the foot. And then, upon observing this, someone wonders what’s wrong in the patient’s mind because he refused the doctor’s urgent recommendation!
Same thing with the average person and “doing something” about climate change….no one’s going to allow their foot to be amputated for warts and no one wants to give up major control over their life for a measly couple of degrees of warming over the last century or so! A drastic “cure” for something that is harmless!
There is the answer they don’t want to see as to what is in a skeptic’s brain.

Jeff Reppun
September 14, 2022 1:33 pm

In the end, reality bites. Multi-year droughts and successive never-before-seen floods will struggle to fit a sceptic narrative of yet another “one-in-100-year event”.

Well, since WG1 IPCC report finds no evidence of increases in droughts or floods, these highly qualified scientists must rate the IPCC as skeptics or deniers.

gowest
September 14, 2022 3:01 pm

Climate change has to be real – we have invested our super funds into renewables – thats why power prices must never go down..

Sturmudgeon
September 14, 2022 3:44 pm

Ayn Rand urged one to “check your Premise(s)”. Obviously, neither of these fools have never done that.
I do not know many folk who do not believe that Climate “changes”… so?

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Peter
September 14, 2022 5:50 pm

Looks like a case of denial denial.

Bob
September 14, 2022 6:03 pm

Same old trash, different authors. Polls are useless and tell us nothing unless we can see the poll and the suggested answers. These guys offer no evidence or proof to back their beliefs therefore all we know is their opinion or beliefs. Totally useless exercise and gross waste of time and money.

Gilbert K. Anold
September 14, 2022 7:30 pm

Sounds like they are proposing a new federal (both Australian and US) agency….FERN [Federal Enforcement of Ridiculous Nonsense]

H.R.
September 14, 2022 9:31 pm

History just isn’t what it used to be.

~Winston Smith

roaddog
September 15, 2022 1:03 am

“Belief in natural cycles…” Yes, I can see how that’s a problem.

another ian
September 15, 2022 2:52 am

Andrew Bolt on that

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