“A number of buses have caught fire at a town centre transport depot. Heavy smoke drifted across Potters Bar after Hertfordshire crews were called to the scene on the High Street at 14:36 BST.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-61543634
“Paul Kirby, a BBC reporter who saw the fire, said he spoke to bus drivers who told him they were relieved the underground diesel storage appeared to be safe. It is thought that up to seven hybrid buses had gone up in flames and “you could hear several loud bangs which they said were tyres” he said.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-61543634
No idea, at this stage if the fire started in a battery; however, this quote also in the report: –
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-61543634
“Eyewitness Shaun Cunningham said he heard an “unbelievable noise that sounded like a jet” and he saw a bus had “exploded into a ball of flames”.”
HT/Auto, Jim T, Jerome P and maybe others I’ve missed.
These catastrophes in the making for transport, renewables power, hydrogen ‘economy’, etc. are due entirely to lack of proper feasibility studies being done to determine reliability, affordability and safety. The crash test dummies are the citizenry!
This has been fun. Commenters responding to my earlier comment enjoyed themselves so much I thought it would be interesting and a public service to put a little more fat on the fire … errrr … facts on the fire.
National Fire Protection Association
The leading information and knowledge resource on fire, electrical and related hazards
Search Results For “Lithium-ion batteries”
https://www.nfpa.org/standard_items/search_results?term=abe8b098-782f-40a4-a19f-44a8c1598a4a
Those commenting on the wisdom of putting Lithium batteries on airplanes may find this interesting …
A Look Back: How Boeing Overcame The 787’s Battery Problemshttps://simpleflying.com/boeing-787-battery-problems-overcome/
Enjoy.
Boeing “solved” the problem of overheating lithium batteries by upgrading the fire suppression system.
It’s not quite that simple or straightforward … this from the simpleflying.com article linked above …
“Design feature improvements for the battery include the addition of new thermal and electrical insulation materials and other changes. The enhanced production and testing processes include more stringent screening of battery cells prior to battery assembly. Operational improvements focus on tightening of the system’s voltage range. A key feature of the new enclosure is that it ensures that no fire can develop in the enclosure or in the battery.”
And yet still there are NEWS stories about burning Busses and burning Cars. Buses that are parked and recharging overnight https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/12/electric-bus-inferno-in-hanover-germanyexplosive-fire-causes-millions-in-damages/
To Busses spontaneously combusting
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/01/electric-bus-catches-fire-after-battery-explosion/
Even cars on cargo ships during transport overseas are burning
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/02/18/was-the-felicity-ace-fire-caused-by-electric-vehicle-batteries/
1) Not certain where you got Boeing from (The link is to a WUWT article about the burning electric Busses in Germany)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=T71cVhxG_v4
2) But we do know that the Battery exploded as evidenced from the video
3) Yep convenient for the EV manufacturers that the Felicity sank with all cargo aboard and now rests on the sea floor under 2 miles of water. Very difficult to proclaim or even investigate to determine the cause with certainty. But all those burning Lithium Batteries certainly doomed the vessel.
To electrify the world’s cars will need global production of lithium, cobalt and other metals to increase about a thousand times.
Can you remind us where this is all going to come from? Which planet, for instance?
O sorry I forgot – politicians and celebrities can now snap their fingers and new technology appears to fulfil political demands. The legal profession could sure use time travel – what’s the time-line on that?
I have no knowledge or opinion with respect to the earth’s lithium stores … but … it has been predicted many times that we would soon run out of oil.
… historical projections suggest that the world has “almost run out of oil” at least five times in the past century. Here are some examples:
“The world will run out of oil in 10 years.” – U.S. Bureau of Mines (1914)
“The world will run out of oil in 13 years.” – U.S. Department of the Interior (1939 and 1950)
“The world will run out of oil and other fossil fuels by 1990.” – Paul Erlich, Limits to Growth (1973)
“The world will run out of oil in 2030, and other fossil fuels in 2050.” -Paul Erlich, Beyond the Limit (2002)
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/marcellus/node/826
Prediction is hard — especially about the future.
The way peak oil becomes / has become self fulfilling is where establishment activists divest from, legally attack and otherwise lynch fossil fuel companies. Then say “o my word – fossil production is declining”. And why have fuel prices gone up so much? Nothing to do with us! Russians I guess
This was probably why America precipitated the war in Ukraine. To allow Russia, not climate activism, to be blamed for rising prices.
How exactly did America precipitate the war in Ukraine?
And how many times has the Earth “Run Out of Oil” since the first prediction in 1914?
Hint…
ZERO
The ACCC gets worried-
ACCC warns consumers of storage battery fire risk – Utility Magazine
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/transport-for-london-tfl-buses-fire-taken-out-service-b1001775.html
I’ve dug a bit deeper, amazing what you can find!
The most trustworthy evidence is a tweet, a high resolution photo from the local fire brigade (https://twitter.com/fire_PottersBar/status/1528528518283415556/photo/1). This shows all 6 damaged buses.
Two of these are the new all electric Switch Mobility MetroDecker EV (https://www.switchmobility.tech/en/current-vehicles), the one on the far right, still burning well, and the one third from the left that is just a smoking shell. This is also the one seen exploding in the video’s online (https://twitter.com/i/status/1528371914267402240) and is clearly the bus where the fire started.
The 2 on the left are Volvo’s diesels from 2011 (confirmed by the Bus Audit from March this year – https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-fleet-data-and-audits – who knew such things existed!), I think the remaining 2 are ADL Enviro 400 Hybrids, from about 10 years ago.
Interesting little investigation into the London bus fleet! Discovered that they now have 785 all electric buses (9% of total) and have started to introduce Hydrogen Fuel Cell buses too (22 as of the end of March), also not without fire risks!
Interesting that this news did not make it into the Daily Mail. Just like vaccine injuries, it is “disapeared”.