In the contest to be the most virtuous of all the states on the “carbon-free” electricity metric, the race is on between California and New York. In 2018 California enacted a bill going by the name “SB100,” which set a mandatory target of 60% of electricity from “renewables” by 2030 (and 100% by 2045). Not to be outdone, New York responded by enacting its “Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act” in 2019, setting its own statutory targets of 70% of electricity from renewables by 2030 (and 100% by 2040).
So is any of this real? Or is it just so much posturing to show conformity with current fashions, all of which will be forgotten by the time the now-seemingly-distant deadlines approach? As to New York, I have had multiple posts (for example here and here) explaining how the supposedly mandatory goals are completely unrealistic as to both feasibility and cost, and how the people charged with achieving the goals have no idea what they are doing.
Is California any less clueless?
The short answer is “no.” However, a gaggle of “think tanks” is just out with a big Report trying to convince us otherwise. Indeed, the Report advocates that California can achieve not just its current statutory goal of 60% carbon-free electricity by 2030, but rather an even more ambitious 85% — as indicated by the headline of the press release announcing the Report, which is “Achieving 85 Percent Clean Electricity By 2030 In California.” The Report itself has the title “Reliably Reaching California’s Clean Energy Targets.” The think tanks putting their names on the Report are Energy Innovation, Telos Energy, and GridLab. The authors of the Report are identified as Derek Stenclik and Michael Welch of Telos and Priya Sreedharan of GridLab.
Also identified is a big “Technical Review Committee” of some 13 members. Do you think these people may be the experts who are going to be sure that this project gives honest technical and engineering answers as to how to achieve the ambitious goals? Don’t kid yourself. Five of the 13 are California energy bureaucrats (three from the California Energy Commission and two from the California Community Choice Association); and the rest are environmental and “green energy” advocates of various sorts, including from the Environmental Defense Fund, Vote Solar, Jas Energies, Sharply Focused and so forth. Even the few listed as “independent consultants” have backgrounds in advocacy for wind and solar energy.
And then there is this bizarre combination of “Disclaimer” and funding disclosure:
The views contained in this report do not represent the views of any of the technical review committee organizations and cannot be attributed to any single technical review committee members. This work was supported by funds from Climate Imperative.
In other words, “you can’t blame me when none of this works.” And, have you heard of the funding organization, Climate Imperative? Neither had I. But a few moments with a search engine will give you the answer. Two of the six members of the Board of Directors are Laurene Powell Jobs and John Doerr. Yes, that is the Laurene Jobs who inherited the Apple money, and the John Doerr of Kleiner Perkins who just dropped a billion on Stanford University to create a new school of “Sustainability.”
The Report is some 89 pages long, much of it couched in seemingly highly technical jargon. The goal is to persuade you that the target of 85% carbon-free electricity by 2030 can be easily achieved with full reliability. We have “models” that include all the relevant variables. We have run “stress tests” on every sort of possible extreme scenario. The following is from the blurb promoting the Report found on the Energy Innovation site:
Modeling from GridLab and Telos Energy finds California can achieve 85 percent clean energy by 2030 without compromising reliability, even under stressful conditions. . . . The technical study developed three 85 percent clean electricity by 2030 portfolios, reflecting different resource buildouts and accelerated electrification. These portfolios were tested against stressors including retiring in-state natural gas units, replacing West-wide coal with renewables and energy storage, and mimicking the August 2020 heat waves that caused rolling power outages. The study evaluated all stressors together, including stricter-than-normal import restrictions, finding the future clean grid is capable of serving load under these extreme conditions.
So the message to Californians is, invest some hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer and ratepayer money over the next eight years in complete blind faith that our models have considered everything that can go wrong. And by the way, don’t expect any kind of cost projection from us — that is beyond the scope of this project.
As readers here know, I have a simple answer to these kinds of fantasies, which is, show me the working demonstration project, even for a small town of 5000 or 10,000 people, from which we can evaluate the feasibility and cost of doing this for a large state of 40 million. Needless to say, no such thing exists.
To consider whether there is any seriousness at all behind this effort, let’s look at how the scenarios in the Report deal with two questions: (1) overbuilding of capacity, and (2) energy storage.
To its modest credit, the Report recognizes that reaching the 85% carbon-free electricity target will mean retaining a residuum of about 15% generation from natural gas. But how much wind and solar capacity will be needed to supply the remainder?
And the Report also gives at least some recognition that large amounts of storage will be required. But how much storage and at what cost?
The heart of the information addressing these questions appears in this chart from page 24:

For perspective, California’s peak electricity usage of all time hit 50.27 GW on July 24, 2006. In most recent years, the peak has been in the range of 46 – 47 GW. Current generation capacity from all sources is about 82 GW, already representing substantial overbuilding to deal with intermittency of large amounts of wind and solar. These scenarios from the Report for 2030 propose building capacity up to the range of 140 – 160 GW, or approximately three times peak usage. Natural gas capacity of about 30 GW would be almost enough to supply all of average usage, and about two-thirds of peak usage, but apparently the proposal is to keep it fully maintained and ready, but turned off about 85% of the time.
As to how much storage will be needed for these scenarios, the chart shows a range from about 20 GW in the “diverse clean resources” scenario, to about 25 GW in the “high electrification” scenario. OK, but how many gigawatt hours will you need, and how much will that cost? Even though that is far and away the most important question that must be addressed in any effort to build a primarily wind/solar/storage electricity system, you will not find that question addressed in this Report. Like the Scoping Plan of New York’s Climate Action Council, this Report is just that incompetent. (Or maybe the authors are aware of the problem and avoid addressing it because they know that addressing it would demonstrate the impossibility of the project and displease the paymasters. It’s hard to know which.). The only discussion in the Report of energy storage in gigawatt hours appears all the way on page 79, where from the context it is clear that the storage being discussed is only intended for intra-day balancing, and cannot even begin to address the seasonality of wind and solar generation.
So, what will be the cost of all of this? Building capacity to a level that is triple peak usage; keeping an entire back-up natural gas system fully-maintained but idle at least 85% of the time; and adding sufficient storage to deal with the seasonality of wind and solar? Three times the cost of the current system would seem conservative. Five times is more likely. And of course, this Report does not address the cost issue.
“Firm Renewables?”
California can achieve 100% renewable energy by any date they wish. They just have to convince the citizens to accept unreliability, scarcity and extremely high electricity rates. Shutting off AC, rotating outages, etc. like a third world country would be necessary. It’s also highly regressive because only the wealthy will be able to afford whatever power is available or will be able to install their own backup power generators. CA already has the highest poverty rate of any state in the U.S. Maybe the idea is to drive enough people to leave the state to meet the goal.
California has outlawed smaller ICEs, such as used in backup generators.
Yep. How dare you attempt to protect yourself from the blackouts we caused!
Question. What will happen to US manufacturing when the price of electricity increases 5x? Answer. There will be zero manufacturing in the US. All manufacturing will be in China and India.
No. Even an optimistic complementary offsetting of the poor capacity factors of wind and solar will leave approximately 40% of electricity needs provided by some kind of energy storage or backup generating capacity. That’s why a list of nations ranked by renewable electricity production shows nations with modern economies and scarce hydro or geothermal resources stall at about 50-60%.
A stupid question: If they think their ideas are so achievable why don’t these people and their ilk get together and use their own funds to set up a working demonstration project?
Net-Zero will transform small miners to big miners and big miners will rule financial markets as the entire developed world charges for Net-Zero. Eventually all the resources of developed nations will be focused on extracting energy from the weather.
Australia could take out 30% of world coal consumption simply by preventing export of iron ore. That would decimate the Chinese economy and the supply of all the manufactured plant needed for the Net-Zero charge.
The question for California – Show me YOUR mines that are going to supply all the mined materials that you need to get to Net-Zero?
So we have this-
ExxonMobil Moves to Resume Offshore Oil Drilling in Santa Barbara County – & the West (stanford.edu)
then later-
Santa Barbara County denies proposal to restart offshore oil production (calcoastnews.com)
and back when people could think and talk openly-
OIL AND GAS SEEPAGE FROM OCEAN FLOOR _x000B_ REDUCED BY OIL PRODUCTION | The UCSB Current
Santa Barbara Channel natural oil weeps-
While Oil Gently Seeps from the Seafloor : Oil in the Ocean (whoi.edu)
I look at you all
See the oil there that’s sleeping
While ocean floor gently weeps
I look at the floor
And I see it needs sweeping
Still your oil play gently weeps
I don’t know why nobody told you
How to drill for your oil
I don’t know how someone controlled you
They bought and sold you
I look at the world
And I notice it’s turning
While ocean floor gently weeps
With every mistake
We must surely be learning
Still your oil play gently weeps
I don’t know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don’t know how you were inverted
No one alerted you
I look at you all
See the wind there that’s sleeping
While your oil play gently weeps
(Look) look at you all
Still my guitar gently weeps…
2030 is 6 1/2 years away. They cannot get the EIS done that quickly.
Regardless. I absolutely insist that we take a small California town off fossil fuel electrical generation as proof of concept. Let’s make it as easy as possible. Clearly any tony coastal town is off limits so… I choose Barstow. Sunny, windy, relatively isolated. Do it there, show us it works.
One way to stop a power project is to find a material false statement in a draft EIS. I have read EIS for nuke plants back east and a solar thermal plant in Califonia.
Part of the EIS process is comparisons to other plants. For the nuke plant, coal and natural gas are compared. Those are clean but wind and solar are not.
To really get people’s attention, it will take more than a “small California town” demo.
Instead, my suggested first choice would be Sacramento, home to idiot Legislature and California Governor that enacted SB100 . . . let them be the first to feel what they have wrought.
My second choice would Los Angeles, home to so many of the Hollywood-glamor lemmings that parrot the current AGW/CAGW meme as personal virtue-signaling. And it won’t matter at all that Los Angeles is a coastal town; in fact, that might be ideal as its mayor and city council could pay for quickly erecting offshore wind farms to replace energy lost due to banned fossil fuels.
In answer to the question Californians should look to Australia’s National Electricity Market crash test dummy-
Gas generators switch to dirty diesel as prices soar and coal plants fail | RenewEconomy
Naturally when you actively encourage dumping on the grid by solar and wind driving out coal then the price of gas as insurer of last resort will rise-
Australian domestic weekly gas prices exceed $30 per GJ for the first time – WattClarity
allowing refined diesel to become economic.
To get rid of FFs altogether you’ll need mountains of battery storage (not just a few early adopter short run FCAS batteries creaming off the top of the problem) and guess what happens to battery prices as you do that along with batteries for transport?
Tesla increases Powerwall prices, again – pv magazine Australia (pv-magazine-australia.com)
Yes children that’s all Econ101 when you get to big school while mummy and daddy have put a deposit down on a Tesla for next year’s delivery to save the planet for you.
Speaking of carbon -free and posts – doesn’t California still string electricity lines on wooden posts?
Leftists are insane.
I could just end with the above sentence, which explains all the irrational and incoherent policies Leftists are implementing to destroy the US economy, electrical grid and our society..
if California built 5 Palo-Alto scale nuclear reactors and kept all their existing hydro, wind, and solar plants running, it would “only” cost California taxpayers $75 billion to go primarily nuclear, but Leftist are rabidly anti-nuclear because…. “Leftists are insane.”
Even if Leftists had a miraculous change of heart and suddenly embraced nuclear power, it would probably take 10~15 years to go through all the Leftist enviro-wacko bureaucratic approval process just to START building 5 new Palo-Alto scale nuclear power plants so their 2030 goal would be impossible because….”Leftists are insane.”
Coupled with the excellent New York pieces, this is adding up to a case which should convince anyone. They are clear and irrefutable. Net Zero, at least as planned by these jurisdictions, is impossible to do. The attempt, if seriously carried through, will just destroy the availability of reliable electricity.
Could the author do a similarly authoritative evaluation of the UK Net Zero proposals? And is there enough information available to do a similar one on Germany. There is actually a short book in here, which would be of enormous value.
All the cases have the two elements in common: you need huge overbuild of the wind component, and you need huge amounts of storage. It seems like California has quantified the overbuild, but not the storage
The UK seems, from the Climate Change Committee publications, also to have no idea how much storage is needed or what it will cost to build and integrate it. It doesn’t seem to have considered overbuild. The UK is a bit smaller than California in total demand, but its also further north and in a cloudy climate, so solar is much more problematic.
There is also a real subject for investigation in the social aspects of this insanity. Why on earth do people in positions of power and influence think they can plan grids in this vague way? The need for storage should be obvious to any intellectually competent researcher after only a few day’s investigation of the problem. Why do the media and politicians allow it to be ignored, and policies formulated on the basis of ignoring intermittency? Why are not the utility companies intervening to enforce realism?
Could be the concluding chapter of the book…
Occasionally the odd spokesman can’t stand the fantasy any longer-
Stellantis CEO Speaks The Truth About Electric Cars (msn.com)
I’ve been running calculations for the UK for some years now, inspired by the work of the late Roger Andrews at Euan Mearns’ site. I’ve looked at over 30 years of hourly weather derived data on renewables and come up with a need for storage of over 30TWh at present demand levels, scale with demand as you electrify the economy, and boost if you want to cover seasonal heating, if you want a renewables + nuclear grid, You’d probably want a reserve on top of that.
This chart just looks at what wind + storage would have been needed to cover demand last year working with hourly data, depending on the storage technology round trip: I looked at “green hydrogen” and “pumped storage”. Of course, you could do a bit better in terms of saving storage need by adding in some solar, but it takes an awful lot of solar given the UK’s typically poor average solar capacity factors of little more than 10%.
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/ZmrQw/1/
It’s a horrifying picture. Only when I see these kinds of calculations can I feel that they are beginning to grasp the scale of the problem.
30TWh! Not going to happen, is it. Still less if the relevant bodies tasked with planning this stuff will not even get their heads around estimating what is needed.
What will be the real effects of trying to implement a project on the lines of the UK Net Zero, California and New York, as explained here?
They have set their sights on doing some things which are inconsistent and incompatible with each other. So what they are hoping for will not happen. That is, we will not
You really do have to choose. One way would be electrify everything, and deliver reliable power by building out coal, gas and nuclear generation. Then we could continue living more or less as now, though EVs would have important limits. But it would probably be something society could adjust to and carry on more or less as now.
Another way would be to build wind and solar massively and increase storage massively. This would raise the price of electricity greatly, and would probably not even be achievable, since no grid storage on that scale exists anywhere. To have any chance of making this work you would have to allow continued heating and transport powered by oil and gas.
Suppose you try to do all the top three? Then the thing that will give is how we live. You would now be contenting with unreliable and much lower power generation. So no EVs, or very few, and only charged at times of wind surplus. Massive movements of population, end of the car dominated suburbs and the mall, end of much industry. You’d be looking at back to about 1910: rural communities would be compact villages, cities would be dense, transport would be bikes, walking or public transport. Shopping, working and leisure would take place close to home. There would have to be massive investment in building insulation.
The thing that is obvious is that the green project of just moving the grid to wind and solar, and transport and heating to electricity, and carrying on as normal, its fantasy. Its not going to happen. And because the true dimensions and requirements are not even being discussed (apart from by a few brave and capable people like Francis Menton) its likely that we will only find out how impossible it is when implementation is well underway.
I think the most likely end result of how we are going will be economic disaster. Huge recession due to the wasted investment, collapse of the EV market as people hold on to their old cars and trucks, a huge number of stranded wind and solar farms as the grid is unable to support or use their output. Emergency build of large quantities of gas generation plants and a turn back to coal to stablize the grid. And at the same time, people will be colder and poorer, because all this is going to cost and waste a fortune.
I don’t suppose any democratic government will be able to get very far into the scenario. But I think they could, in their present state of stupid denial, get far enough in to produce a real economic crisis.
Another chapter of the book might try and cover what will actually happen if governments do attempt Net Zero implementation.
No.
If you’ve spent a few millions or billions developing the latest and greatest battery Antonio wants to purloin the knowhow and give it to his mates-
Climate-stricken world needs renewables Marshall Plan: UN chief (msn.com)
That will certainly incentivize new R&D breakthroughs for his climate stricken world. Stop with the development folks as Antonio reckons he’s got the ultimate answers nailed already and just needs everyone to ramp up its production. Settled science meets settled renewable tech. Nirvana at last!
Are they asserting 85% of KW or 85% of KWh?
California can easily be 85% electricity free using their plans, but the demand for kerosene for lamps will skyrocket.
Achieve may not be the word you’re looking for.
If California cannot make 85% ‘Carbon-Free Electricity’, they will fake it. California is good at faking.
Yes, we can.
It’s called nuclear, and has lower CO2 output per GWh, as compared to solar and wind:
https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy#:~:text=Nuclear%2C%20wind%2C%20hydropower%20and%20solar,they%20are%20low%2Dcarbon%20options.
Lowest CO2 output. Also happens to be the most reliable.
We should build a dozen more Diablo Canyon-sized plants now, and use whatever deployed solar/wind we have to run desalination plants. That output – clean water – is VERY easy to buffer in existing reservoirs, and even discharging into aquifers throughout the State.
Use nuclear so we have low CO2 and high reliable power, and take the intermittent sources and use them to power a resource that can be “intermittent” on the scale of days – desalination.
We have all the water we want (hello, Pacific Ocean!) and we have all the power need – nuclear. We just don’t have the intelligence or political will in Sacramento to do it.
yes, if they don’t mind having the lights off 10% of the time for four times the cost
Australia’s (political) capital Canberra would be the perfect test case for renewables. It has no useful production, the people there love renewables, and if the power failed for a few weeks the rest of Australia would neither notice or care.
yes they can,they will have to cull the excess population.Its like throwing the excess people who are crowding the lifeboat overboard.Just cant keep everyone in the boat
sure. import it. not generated in Californication. just like they do with gasoline.