BBC Climate Advice: Misery for Ordinary Britons, to Avoid the Need to Frack

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Slower trains, more restricted road travel, colder homes – all because Britain’s political and media elite still cannot admit their renewable energy fantasy is a failure.

Climate change: Can the Russian energy crisis help to curb global heating?

By Roger Harrabin
BBC environment analyst

Can the government wean Britain off Russian gas while also keeping energy affordable and hitting its climate change targets?

Boris Johnson has pledged to produce an energy strategy shortly that does all three things. 

One thing is clear – there will be no new coal-fired power stations.

The International Energy Agency urges everyone to turn down the thermostat by a degree – that could save up to 10% of heating energy (and costs), it says.

Insulation is another no-brainer quick hit – and it makes your home more comfortable. Even a draught excluder “sausage” for a door makes a small difference, as does basic draught-proofing. Heating only the rooms you’re using is an easy hit.

A speed limit of 55mph – the most efficient running speed for many cars – could be set during the energy crisis to cut carbon emissions. That might be resisted by a libertarian PM and in any case the RAC Foundation said it would be more effective to make fewer trips, and to brake and accelerate more smoothly.

Trains could reduce their top speed and services could be reduced to prevent empty running. 

The public might accept the restrictions if they were persuaded of an urgent need. 

Some analysts want the government to phase out the sale of new gas boilers and hobs rapidly. Boilers running on imported gas would be replaced by electric heat pumps powered by electricity generated by British wind farms.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-60683929

UK Brexit Minister Jacob Rees-Mogg has called for fracking, to secure British energy independence. Rees-Mogg is influential, but people who share his views are not in the majority in the British Conservative Party, otherwise this would have been a very different article.

Cold, stuffy, poorly ventilated homes are kind of the opposite of Covid safety. Slow trains and road might reduce energy use, at the price of depriving ordinary working dads and mums of precious time with their loved ones.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson, you used to write like a climate skeptic, before you fell for an alarmist slide show – are you really going to let all this misery be inflicted on your watch?

As Britons started to realise during last September’s wind drought, renewables are hopelessly unreliable. You cannot produce wind energy, if the wind refuses to blow and the sky is covered with clouds. Such conditions, which seem to occur every other year, can last for weeks.

But people mostly seem to be trying to ignore this event, and the many before it – or perhaps they are not ready to face reality. Perhaps the horrendous unreliability of renewable energy is easy to ignore for now, because the electricity kept flowing for most people, thanks to Britain’s ageing emergency backup coal plants, whose operators are paid insane money to sit idle most of the time.

Of course, the horrendous cost of maintaining ageing coal plants and gas plants at idle, to provide cover for when the useless renewable system underperforms, is mostly kept hidden from electricity consumers, to help maintain the political fiction that renewable energy will lead to lower energy prices. Most of the time, all household electricity consumers see is the sticker shock of ever rising bills, except sometimes when the veil slips, like during last September’s wind drought.

Most Britons I’ve met are courageous and good hearted, and trust the BBC way too much. They think the BBC is their friend – they grew up watching BBC programmes in school, and all their teachers told them to look to the BBC if they want to know what is really happening. They will put up with these privations for a while, and support more renewables, because many of them have been convinced poor people in Africa and Pakistan will die of climate change, unless they turn down their home thermostat and use their draft excluder. Most Britons I have met genuinely care enough to make personal sacrifices for the good of others.

One day, when the government inflicted misery can no longer be borne, ordinary Britons will realise how badly their kindness and trust in their institutions has been abused. I would not want to be sitting in BBC headquarters, or be the person sitting in number 10 Downing st., on that day of awakening.

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Thomas
March 11, 2022 10:22 pm

Haha! First blood.

Mike Lowe
March 11, 2022 10:25 pm

Absolutely right. It’s just a matter of how long it will take for the average Brit to wake up to the lies which have been repeated for decades

LdB
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 11, 2022 11:00 pm

Those brits like to have a stiff upper lip …. so it could take a while and lots of suffering.

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  LdB
March 11, 2022 11:52 pm

Frozen stiff, apparently.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 12, 2022 12:34 am

“Absolutely right. It’s just a matter of how long it will take for the average Brit to wake up to the lies which have been repeated for decades”.

We plucky Brits will wake up don’t you worry about that, trouble is it will be when it’s too late of course!!! Some of us never actually went to sleep on it. I initially fell for it over 20 years ago, but after a little while I would listen to arguments on the other side of the fence, (sorry about I have a nasty habit of wanting to listen to both sides of an argument!!!) & I’d ask myself where I could seek out these contradictory documents that challenged the so called consensus on Global Warming, a term I am determined to push over & above “Climate Change”, which is merely a heads I win tails you lose version of AGW!!! I am horrified over the vast numbers of young people in the UK who trot out the words “Climate Change” at every opportunity, when not glued to their mobile phones/palmtops etc!!! You wouldn’t believe all the things caused by AGW. I was so pleased when I stumbled upon this website by pure accident. With the exception of Griffy-baby et al, the comments & observations here are very informative & enlightening both scientifically & technically!!!

Nick Graves
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 12, 2022 1:26 am

I’ve got to second that – finding this site did wonders for this long-term sceptic’s Irritable Brain Syndrome.

It’s great to have a place where real scientists have proper debates, often way beyond my A-level science understanding and that is therapeutic too.

The PaedBC has long been a bad joke to many of us – but many admittedly still do suffer from Global(ist) Dimming and need to WTFU.

Disputin
Reply to  Nick Graves
March 12, 2022 3:58 am

“Irritable Brain Syndrome”

Love it!

Scissor
Reply to  Disputin
March 12, 2022 6:06 am

Yes, that’s good. We should use “irritable” to refer to the irritable leftists, their irritable policies, irritable democrat ideas, etc.

In any case, at least one irritable globalist has told us the irritable end goal. They want people to own nothing. This is most irritable.

atticman
Reply to  Scissor
March 12, 2022 6:41 am

Surely ‘irritating’, not ‘irritable’…

Scissor
Reply to  atticman
March 12, 2022 7:43 am

Well both, but “irritable” makes a connection with “irritable bowel syndrome” as Nick Graves intended.

Sara
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 12, 2022 9:11 am

Yeah, but you have to listen to both sides of the argument, Alan, and then decide for yourself which is the more accurate.

The public might accept the restrictions if they were persuaded of an urgent need. — article

Oh, heck, why wait any longer??? Just return to the Middle Ages when the peasants heated their hovels with small wood fires and cooked everything with wood, because there was no other fuel available at the time? Put the “fireplace” in the middle of the hovel, with a small hole in the roof for ventilation, and cook away. Also, learn to go with out bathing regularly, and realize that your clothes have to last nearly up to the day you die.

Civilization was fun while it lasted, wasn’t it?

P.S. I went skeptical some time back when I realized that my mother was sending money off to Greenpeace to stop whaling, but Japan was still whaling anyway, and I said so. She didn’t believe me until I handed her articles that confirmed what I said.

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TonyG
Reply to  Sara
March 13, 2022 8:03 am

She didn’t believe me until I handed her articles that confirmed what I said.

At least she believed it when evidence was presented.

Sara
Reply to  TonyG
March 13, 2022 1:30 pm

She still sent them money, Tony. That’s what is so pathetic.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 13, 2022 10:58 am

A the Brit

“Can the Russian energy crisis help to curb global heating?”

The climate isn’t all they lie about. The gas prices/supply is also Bojo’s and EU’s fault (and US’s). Russia offered to supply the EU and UK a low cost supply almost a year ago. It was turned down because “it sent the wrong signal re climate change” at a time when they were puffing up for the Glasgow IPCC show.

Yeah Russia invaded Ukraine so it’s being made into a lightning rod for all the foolish policies made by Western idiots. Oh, and they actually had a hand in the crippling of the O&G industry.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 12, 2022 1:30 am

The British will never wake up.
The whole island is in the grip of the British penchant for being in denial and brazen 2 faced lying culture.
It’s not the country I grew up in which had a semblance of tolerance and previous “christian” legacy.
Now,-corrupt police, perverted justice system, high levels of knife crime and alcohol dependence being normal.

I have a term for today’s British – JUTFLBB
“Just another two faced lying British Bastard”

Describes Pritti Patel and the whole Home office attitude to the wife of the Ukrainian ambassador, forced to get a visa.

Perfectly describes Bojo, in his constant attempts to save face.
Describes perfectly the British police going right back as far as Savile and Hillsborough.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  pigs_in_space
March 12, 2022 2:13 am

yup – they’re following the lead of every Government there’s been in power for the last 30 years and they followed the lead of the Unions (recall Monkton’s piece here recently) prior to that

miket
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 12, 2022 4:01 am

Pigs and Peta, you both overstate your case. Much of what you say may true of the top echelons of government and the woke civil service, but the media is now full of attacks on the unreliables and our energy security.

Also, it is in recent times that the general public have kicked back with the vote for Brexit and putting in power a Brexit government to get it done. So not as sheep like as we used to be. There’s hope yet.

D Cage
Reply to  miket
March 14, 2022 11:49 pm

Nonsense. The media are still in full cry on man made climate change to the extent they find some excuse to ban any who comment negatively on the topic.

Mark Whitney
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 12, 2022 5:29 am

Is that the quiet desperation we’ve heard tell about?

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 12, 2022 10:34 pm

The average Brit or Aussie for that matter will never ‘wake up to the lies’.
Call it indoctrination, call it brainwashing, but once people learned something they rarely change their minds. Right or wrong has little to do with it ; to admit to they have been wrong and duped is too much for their pride to swallow. I wish it were otherwise but that’s it.

D Cage
Reply to  Mike Lowe
March 14, 2022 11:46 pm

Why do you thing the public will ever wake up to the fact climate science is at least mostly lies when we have had proof since 2011 in ” https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/global-maps/AMSRE_SSTAn_M ” that four fifths of the world home heating and land vehicle use have no impact whatever.? If you try it even publicise it even in minimal exposure comment section you get banned let alone having the public allowed to hear it in mainstream media.

whiten
March 11, 2022 10:31 pm

“One day, when the government inflicted misery can no longer be borne, ordinary Britons will realise how badly their kindness and trust in their institutions has been abused. I would not want to be sitting in BBC headquarters, or be the person sitting in number 10 Downing st., on that day of awakening.”

One day, on that day of awakening still to come, as the Britons not awake yet,
ordinary Britons will discover and realize that it is one day too late, where all due,
to Britons simply believing what they wanted to believe all along, regardless of BBC and the Government.
The real self inflicted misery due to critical self negligence.

Really sorry and sadly to put it that way.

cheers

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Peta of Newark
Reply to  whiten
March 12, 2022 2:40 am

You perfectly describe Magical Thinking.
There’s nothing at all magical about it – it is terminal self delusion/self brainwashing occasioned by overuse of depressant recreational drugs, in turn leading to chronic depression
The Great Grandfather of them all being sugar.

Not chronic sadness – in fact eating sugar makes you happy.
For about an hour.

THEN the depression kicks in and lasts until you next eat more sugar so you feel lazy, you can’t be bothered, you want to sleep, you pass the buck, you do shit science/teaching/politics/marriage.
Then also, allow the kids to run riot while they learn all that bad behaviour from their parents and teachers
And sugar, both as refined sucrose and carbohydrate food is to blame for all those things and more.
Two generations in, it is endemic, ingrained and pretty well beyond fixable.

Equally if not worse, the chronic depression occasions Paranoia (you cannot ‘think’ quickly) and thus you panic at the slightest trigger.
If the response to Climate Change were’t bad enough, just look at the (worldwide) responses to Covid. Simple childlike blind-panic measures that more often than not, made it all worse.

We definitely now *know* that UK (and US) folks eat too much sugar, it’s why those 2 countries had such massively high per-capita Covid fatalities.
Less that 0.5% of Covid deaths were actually covid – all the rest were co-morbidities
While ‘ordinary flu’ fatalities dropped off the graph.
That alone should tell somebody something BUT, as per the effects of eating sugar, they simply can’t be arsed to look, listen or lift a finger. They’ll pass the buck with one hand while holding out the other – expecting Government to plant some ££££ into their palm.

Made even worse by our doctors handing out soooo much Statin drug to try and remedy the effects of eating sugar. Also Metformin.
The Statins are now shown to actually cause diabetes and on top of that, just like Roundup in fact, the Stains are anti-biotics
(Research has shown that only 0.3% of all Statin users actually benefit from them)

Is it any wonder then that so many people perished if they’d been dosed constantly with low levels of anti-biotic – how would that have affected their innate immune systems and thus response to covid?

and if anyone does complain or protest or make a fuss, The Technology nowadays will pick them off with sniper precision and silence them.

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Scissor
Reply to  Peta of Newark
March 12, 2022 6:16 am

Fructose is as bad or worse and we would be better off if people would get off soda drinks as well.

The fact of the matter is that snipers can be taken out with mere bayonets. Numbers are on the side of the people. Down to owning only one thing, a ceramic blade might not be a bad choice.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  whiten
March 12, 2022 5:30 am

attributed to Allan Nevins or Lloyd George.

“In this case far too little, way too late”

Tedz
March 11, 2022 10:33 pm

After the Brexit episode I wouldn’t say that the BBC is trusted. There were some very clear examples of bias during that period and those examples have affected how the BBC is seen by a very large chunk of the UK’s population.

I really can’t see the point of fracking under the current arrangements for extraction and sale. To affect the european market price then the UK would have to produce A LOT of gas. A mega amount. But, the UK doesn’t have a mega amount – just enough for the UK for the next 40 years at current estimates. That would not affect the price on the european market sufficient to reduce the price paid by UK householders and businesses.

What the current main extractor (Cuadrilla) wants to do is extract the gas from the UK. It would then be sold on the european market at full market price and UK users would have to pay that price – despite them suffering some inconvenience during the drilling/extraction process. They would not benefit in any real way.

The profits that Cuadrilla made would then be shipped off to Australia as the shareholding is split into a 97/3% share by two entities based there.

If we’re going to frack then it should be undertaken by a publicly owned UK company and structured so that the gas is sold only in the UK market at a cost plus basis. Opposition to fracking would be so much less then.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Tedz
March 11, 2022 11:11 pm

Sorry Tedz, you either believe in the purity of market forces to determine the correct price of things, or you don’t. The alternative is a communist economic construct.
All of the world examples of communist ideology have failed to produce any successes. The Chinese version of communism, which is simply brutal state enforced totalitarianism, may prove to be a model that takes people out of poverty but into permanent slavery. We will see.

Patrick Peake
Reply to  Tedz
March 12, 2022 12:06 am

The licence to frack could be made conditional on supplying the gas into the UK market.

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Nessimmersion
Reply to  Patrick Peake
March 12, 2022 1:35 am

Debunking “The Price Case” Against FrackingOne argument made against shale gas is even if Britain did start to develop a domestic industry, it would make little difference to the global price.

It’s an argument that goes against the same concerns about food miles – local production for local consumption. Given the recent experience of forced restrictions on shipping and imports, it shows how important the UK government wants to provide food and energy security for its citizens.
Transport costs of natural gas are high (but lower than wind and solar). There is a significant cost associated with production of liquefied natural gas. The result is drilling for gas leads to significantly cheaper prices near the place of production, rising the further one goes from the wellhead.
At the moment of writing, the Henry Hub price (US reference) is $5.84 per million British thermal units (MMBtu); the UK price is $26 per MMBtu [2] . In simpler terms, if gas were cheaply transportable, then the US price would not be so divergent from that in the UK or the rest of Europe.
The same factors apply when considering domestic UK production: the costs of exporting mean that domestic prices would be lower, than prices further afield. Meanwhile, competing foreign supplies will come at a price equal to the global price plus the transport costs into the UK. The result will be that the domestic price for all gas supplies declines to be the net of the two effects.

Add back in logistical chokepoints – any significant domestic production would certainly lower domestic gas prices. The fact that UK prices are currently five times higher than US ones shows that domestic production changes do not feed through, entirely or exclusively, into global price changes.

Domestic gas production would substitute for imports, which are higher priced because they carry the cost of transportation. So UK consumers would undoubtedly see a big benefit, as would the Treasury, which would receive a huge injection of royalty income at a time when it badly needs it.”
Net Zero Watch [3] Director, Dr Benny Peiser

It is also possible to note that natural gas is, as a result of the Petroleum Act [4] the property of The Crown. Meaning fossil fuel extraction (as well as operating offshore windfarms) leads to revenue flows into government coffers. This being the case, even if it were true that fracking produced no reduction in domestic prices because sufficient exports were made to pull them up to global values, the result would be a flood of cash into the Treasury. That resource rent, the money arising from the mere existence of the gas itself, would be flowing into British government coffers rather than, say, Norwegian or Russian ones.

In summary, the net effect will be that some shale gas would be exported, producing revenue for the Treasury. It is also true that much fracked gas would not be exported, meaning that the local UK price would become lower than the international one.
https://www.netzerowatch.com/britain-needs-shale-gas-now-for-consumers-and-for-national-security/

Julian Flood
Reply to  Nessimmersion
March 12, 2022 2:26 am

Spread this word, suitably rewritten for the medium you post to, to every MSM outlet in the UK. Only if we all speak such commonsense at every opportunity will the lazy, venal and ignorant UK political class manage to wake up.

JF

Reply to  Julian Flood
March 12, 2022 9:37 am

Hey Julian, you are still a member of that class aren’t you? :-|)

Julian Flood
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 12, 2022 4:44 pm

I’ve given you a down vote. I’m such a prole that this winter I’ve reduced burning wood in my mud hut to keep warm.

JF

Reply to  Patrick Peake
March 12, 2022 9:36 am

Wouldn’t work. gas would still be sold by a third party.

Steve Richards
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 12, 2022 2:59 pm

Leo,

Just like ROC’s were invented by legislation, a LSO (Local Supply Obligation) can be invented today, where the contract condition was to supply the UK at a, say, 10% discount, to the UK, and all UK orders had to be honored first.

Just as a ‘no fault damage’ scheme could be implemented in areas near fracking sites.

The devil is in the detail but things can be changed to make it work.

Obviously, companies will have a vested interest for the status quo.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Patrick Peake
March 12, 2022 3:05 pm

Not necessary. It is naturally the cheapest thing to do, and it serves to back out imports. There is very limited export capacity anyway (built to handle the time when the UK had a surplus), and no-one is going to invest in more unless there is the prospect of a continuing larger surplus.

Richard Page
Reply to  Patrick Peake
March 12, 2022 5:34 pm

Might need more information on how the companies operate before deciding what needs doing. I noticed that, in the North Sea gas fields, there is a drilling company who then has a contract to sell the gas to a gas supply company who then sells it on, either to a customer or another gas supply company. I’m guessing it must be a transport issue, but I don’t know for sure. Whatever the case, both the drilling and supply companies would need to be covered by the same conditions.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Tedz
March 12, 2022 12:38 am

Auntie Beeb received at least £20m per year bribe from the EU, as did all other national state broadcasters. You see not only must you seize control of the minds of the young, but for true Totalitarianism, you must bribe the information centres of individual nation states!!!

Gerry, England
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 12, 2022 4:49 am

The BBC also receives money from the World’s most evil man, Bill Gates.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 12, 2022 6:05 am

Putin is the world’s most evil man.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 12, 2022 12:32 pm

Putin is one of the world’s most evil men, certainly. There are others though.

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Richard Page
March 12, 2022 10:57 pm

Please explain why YOU think Putin is evil, and while your at it please define ‘evil’ . .

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
March 13, 2022 4:49 am

“Please explain why YOU think Putin is evil”

How about because Putin is deliberately killing innocent children without a second thought. I don’t know how one can get more evil than that.

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 13, 2022 2:54 pm

If you are looking for child murderersl ook no further than the us weapons suppiled in the Yemen. .

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 12, 2022 10:55 pm

WTF are you talking about ‘ Putin is the world’s most evil man ‘.
As if blaming Putin and or Russia for the total mismanagement of the the UK economy is going to fix the price of gas ! ! Blame your own goverment, blame your own ‘scientists’, blame your own media, blame your own politicians, blame your own politicians, and blame your Climate Change Council, but don’t blame the Russians.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
March 13, 2022 4:57 am

“but don’t blame the Russians.”

I’m not blaming the Russians. I feel sorry for the Russians. The Russians don’t have any more control over Putin than I do. They don’t have a say in Putin’s Ukraine atrocity. They will end up suffering as much or more from Putin’s actions as anyone.

I blame Putin.

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Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 13, 2022 2:51 pm

Putin’s poularity in Russia far exceeds that of Boris in uk . .

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
March 14, 2022 4:52 am

The claim is that up to 10,000 Russian troops have already been killed in Ukraine. We’ll see what those Russian mothers think about that.

Scissor
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 12, 2022 6:24 am

Bribes have been transformed into grants and philanthropists have been transformed into oligarchs.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Scissor
March 12, 2022 11:14 am

That seems to be the modus operandi of the members of the WEF.

You will own nothing and be happy is a well known statement from Schwab.
What isn’t explained in his utopian view of the new world order is that when someone has nothing, they have nothing to lose.
That is why there is a global effort to disarm the population. It has worked in most countries except the U.S. where private arms ownership is on the rise.

griff
Reply to  Tedz
March 12, 2022 1:07 am

So are there any benefits of Brexit actually showing up yet?

Julian Flood
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 2:33 am

Independent initiative on Ukraine. Full access to CANZUKUS intelligence. And, oddly winter onions are no longer mostly rotting

I’m sure even an anti-democracy technocrat like you can think of more.

JF
Incidentally, attracting posts by being a dork is failure not success.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Julian Flood
March 12, 2022 11:47 pm

To date, Griffy-Baby hasn’t displayed any technical ability or knowledge whatsoever, as his comments demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt!!! He simply heres something that sounds technical &/or scientificky & he makes pronouncements as if he was a neo-Einstein!!!

Gerry, England
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 4:51 am

Yes, the idiotic EU ban on neonicotinoids has started to be lifted. At the moment it is just for sugar beet but in time it should all be scrapped.

LdB
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 7:49 am

It upset the French … does there need to be more?
Surely that alone was worth it.

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Peter Barrett
Reply to  LdB
March 12, 2022 1:26 pm

A crowning achievement after a thousand years of endeavour.

Richard Page
Reply to  Peter Barrett
March 12, 2022 2:25 pm

Not all of that time though. We did switch to upsetting the Spanish for quite a few years in the middle there!

Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 9:13 am

GRIFFTER HAS SPOKEN…HE IS ANTI-FRACKING…CASE CLOSED…THE END…SORRY GUYS.

Reply to  Anti-griff
March 12, 2022 9:38 am

Griffter is owned by the Kremlin owned greens.

Cheshire Red
Reply to  griff
March 14, 2022 1:19 am

Traitor Theresa May has a lot to answer for. Deliberate sabotage from within has locked us into UK-EU alignment or non-regression clauses everywhere.

Hanging is too good for her.

On the upside the French are furious and Brexit in whatever form it takes won’t be overturned in our lifetime, so it’s better than nothing.

Kazinski
Reply to  Tedz
March 12, 2022 2:03 am

You have no concept of how free markets work. More supply does = lower prices, and sometimes it doesn’t take much more. Sometimes when there is just a 2-3% deficit in supply the bidding for that last few percent can drive the market up 25% or more. So conversely increasing the supply by just 5% can reverse the price rise and reduce the spot market price dramatically.

As Barrack Obama once said: “you can’t drill your way to lower gas prices.”

And was proved spectacularly wrong.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Kazinski
March 12, 2022 3:01 am

Charles Dickens knew that, Wilkins Micawber on income

  • “Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery.”

But it applies equally to the supply of goods and services.

bcullen1815
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
March 12, 2022 2:13 pm

Good quote. Worth purloining and reusing. Of course, Dickens was speaking from hard experience.

Reply to  Kazinski
March 12, 2022 9:39 am

However at least Barack knew where he was, most of the time anyway….

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 12, 2022 10:49 am

I seem to recall he said he’d been to 55 states so far, with only a couple more to go. 🙂

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Julian Flood
Reply to  Tedz
March 12, 2022 2:20 am

Egan, Cuadrilla CEO, says absolute minimum of 50 years supply and that’s just the Bowland Hodder. It’s a fascinating deposit, in places over two miles thick. With modern techniques he thinks they’ll get three times that.

As for being ready in time, the Eagle Ford* play went from zero to the equivalent of half the UK’s current natural gas production in five years.

I’m sure you will forgive me if I believe the CEO of a company that managed to drill two productive wells in Lancashire (in spite of the worst efforts of the UK ruling class,) over a post by an anonymous contributor.

JF
*IIRC

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Tedz
March 12, 2022 3:02 pm

You don’t understand how the gas market works. The UK has to pay higher and higher prices to bid away LNG supply from more distant sources the less gas it produces itself. For example it is currently importing from Peru, via the Panama Canal, which adds a lot of shipping cost. If it can produce sufficient gas to replace the gas form Peru, then the cost will be lower if it is only depending on longer distance gas from the US Gulf. Each tranche backs out the more costly imports, and frees gas for other buyers, as well as freeing shipping capacity, which is important because shipping is a large part of the landed cost, particularly in tight markets. All these effects help to lower gas prices. If the UK reaches the point of self sufficiency (which it had for many years) then domestic prices are no longer set by other markets at all. That’s the situation the US is in, with domestic prices being much lower than in regions that import gas.

It is doubtful whether the UK would find a sufficiently large resource to justify a major export effort, but while limited export might be profitable it does not mean that that affects the domestic price. You have to have export capacity to take advantage of export markets, and that is costly to install unless you can guarantee it will have a good period of being highly utilised.

Teddy Lee
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
March 13, 2022 4:18 am

See posting by Julian Flood on this site.CEO Francis Egan absolutely trashed a journo who tried spin a lie.
The Bowland also extends into the Irish and North Seas.
ACTIVISTS SCUPPERED FRACKING The idiots( for they surely are) in government acquiesced. They still remain idiots to this day.

Rod Evans
March 11, 2022 10:55 pm

I think the mere fact the BBC give this man the title of Environment Analyst tells the bigger picture.
He is an English Graduate a career Journalist with no scientific training. He has travelled the world funded by the tax payer, via the BBC. His personal travel footprint across Asia, Africa and all placed between, must make him a candidate for most travelled reporter on the BBC.
From his unscientific journalist background, he produces sackcloth and ashes policies for all members of society to follow. Well all members unfortunate enough not to have his free access to state funding that is.
He and his ilk, can bask in their own collective glory though. Without them, the BBC’s Harrabin and Attenborough, plus Greta, Al Gore, DiCaprio, Ema Thompson and too many others to name, no one would know we have a “problem”. All the doom spreaders come from the upper echelons of the nobodies, performers first and always. No one in the world would be aware there is something called a Climate Crisis. Perhaps there isn’t? Without this exceptionally well funded clique, without the constantly broadcast prophets of doom, no one would worry about climate.
Normal people, living normal productive lives are grateful for the stability of their living conditions. They are thankful we live in a stable benign climate. A climate that provides record harvests, much needed harvests to feed a record world population.
Without the doom mongers, who would ever know the wonderful, civilised world we have created, was doomed via mans own ingenuity?
According to Harrabin we need to travel less, travel more slowly, travel in more crowded colder conditions?
Well after you Roger, lead by example. Stop flying all over the world looking for pointless copy.
Oh, and one more thing Roger why not debate whether there is a climate crisis at all?
When the BBC actually returns to the traditional position of presenting both sides of a debate, then we can discuss climate. Until then Roger, you are just presenting more meaningless doom laden propaganda.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 12, 2022 3:06 am

The BBC Environment Department must have more air miles than the rest of the BBC combined. Harrabin, MacGratjh and Rowlatt with Attenborough’s documentary team specifically.

Mr.
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 12, 2022 8:34 am

Brilliant summation Rod.

Megs
March 11, 2022 10:56 pm

At least you mothball your coal fired power plants in the UK. We blow ours up here in Australia! Or we sell them to China so that they can shut them down, claim carbon credits, and create a need to manufacture more renewables for us. We closed down two of our four oil refineries and we’ve never had nuclear, even went as far as to mandate against it. And then of course we also banned fracking!

It’s all OK though, I’ve been told to “trust the science”, and the government.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Megs
March 11, 2022 11:03 pm

Megs, we don’t mothball our coal fired power plants. We blow them up. The cooling towers the turbine halls, the infrastructure all blown up.
The destruction of civilisation is a constant work in progress by the Green masters of the universe.

Megs
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 11, 2022 11:09 pm

Wow, you too! The world has gone insane. You went backwards and converted Drax to biomass though didn’t you? Not intending to sound rude but maybe there’s a chance to convert it back to coal some time in the future, when people in power wake up? Maybe too outrageous to consider?

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  Megs
March 12, 2022 12:57 am

Megs,
Yes, us too.
Here is our glorious leaderene completing the emasculation task in Scotland.

Scotland’s Longannet power station demolition – watch video as chimney comes crashing down

Scotland’s first minister Nicola Sturgeon called the event “symbolic” in the path to net zero emissions.

The symbolism is off the scale.

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Megs
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 12, 2022 1:27 am

How is it that politicians are allowed to decide our fate without even looking into whether or not the replacement energy is fit for purpose? Maybe I just answered my own question. It’s not, and that was always the intention.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
March 12, 2022 3:16 pm

Sturgeon is indeed determined to destroy Scotland to save it.

Julian Flood
Reply to  Megs
March 12, 2022 2:44 am

And we export the transformers to Germany so they can build cheaper lignite-burning power stations.

The West has gone mad, not just Oz and NZ

JF

Reply to  Megs
March 12, 2022 9:48 am

‘we’ didn’t Coinvert drax to Biomass. Drax is a publicly listed company and faced with forced closure of its coal plants by government decree, it converted them to wood, on the understanding they would attract a high carbon subsidy.
The government reneged on that.
At least Drax
(a) is reliable and fully dispatchable.
(b) depends on US wood, not Russian gas
(c) can be converted back to coal, or possibly on to nuclear, in due course.
It is a massive site with massive grid feed ins and a fairly isolated location. I am hoping that a deal with Rolls Royce to trial an SMR there will happen.

Megs
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 12, 2022 3:31 pm

Thanks for the clarification Leo.

Reply to  Megs
March 12, 2022 9:43 am

Trust the government…?

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Megs
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 12, 2022 3:30 pm

Of course, no one actually does trust the government. Its funny how they think they only have to say something, and it’s assumed that people believe them. A bit tricky, given that their lies are continually exposed.

Chaswarnertoo
March 11, 2022 11:27 pm

When can we start hanging politicians?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
March 12, 2022 12:46 am

How much rope do you need, I’ll stump up for as much as I can, as long as I get to throw the lever on the gallows, & as I retired structural engineer I’ll design those gallows to last for a very long time indeed!!!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 12, 2022 3:10 am

Can’t we use non-biodegradable nylon rope and concrete lampposts?

Richard Page
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
March 12, 2022 11:44 am

Concrete lampposts? That is soooo last century. Tie one to each arm of a bird chopper just as the wind picks up!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
March 12, 2022 11:55 pm

Those reinforced concrete lamp-posts are capable of supporting at least two bodies each, probably four a piece!!! Oh it’s so nice to be able to dream!!!

joe x
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
March 12, 2022 6:28 am

hanging is so old fashion. i am working on a solar powered guillotine. it only works on sunny days through.

Reply to  joe x
March 12, 2022 9:49 am

I am working on one that stays up as long as the grid frequency does…

Chris Hanley
March 11, 2022 11:42 pm

One day, when the government inflicted misery can no longer be borne, ordinary Britons will realise how badly their kindness and trust in their institutions has been abused …

Indeed, some will remember the scene in an episode of the BBC TV series Fawlty Towers (a series that could never be made nowadays) where Basil, having been only too ready to accept the bona fides of the conman fake Lord ‘Melbwey’, discovers the Lord’s case of ‘vawuables’ is filled with two house bricks, first he will not believe it then realising he’s been made a fool of he turns vicious for retribution.

fretslider
Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 12, 2022 1:51 am

….go on.. just one….

fretslider
March 12, 2022 12:24 am

Harrabin should join his sister in XR

He’s a class 1 nutter

griff
March 12, 2022 1:06 am

Of course, the horrendous cost of maintaining ageing coal plants and gas plants at idle, to provide cover for when the useless renewable system underperforms, is mostly kept hidden from electricity consumers,

That’s because IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Try to get with the 21st century: UK grid can accurately predict renewable supply in advance and turn up the gas as needed (the coal plant is mostly offline anyway – typically it gets switched on in case of planned outages of other plant at end summer)

Plus the UK uses pumped hydro, hydro, interconnectors and demand rsponse and is starting to use grid scale batteries. It also this year rolled out a comprehensive solution to maintaining inertia on a largely renewable grid…

By the time we could have a feeble fracking effort up and running, we won’t need it because new offshore wind will have reduced gas demand to point where we don’t need to import Russian gas (only 3 to 5% of demand anyway)

fretslider
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 1:25 am

Zzzzz

Are you working for Miliband?

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  fretslider
March 12, 2022 3:14 am

Griff works for a renewable energy company.

Their weather forecasters can predict wind and sunshine hours for 100 km^2 blocks of the UK 5 days ahead.

Unfortunately the information is not shared with BBC, Sky and ITV weather forecasters who still use pine cones and seaweed

MarkW
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
March 12, 2022 1:35 pm

For years griff has been claiming that the weathermen are able to predict wind speeds for any 5 minute period to within 1 mph for up to 24 hours in advance, for each windmill in the country.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  MarkW
March 12, 2022 3:19 pm

They have trouble in recording actual wind speed at such a resolution, never mind predicting it.

whiten
Reply to  fretslider
March 12, 2022 10:03 am

It seems like griff is saying or highlighting that it is actually too late for UK to make a/any difference by self correction.
UK too deep in it, where and when even Brexit makes no difference anymore.
The way of normalizing and too accept the given as it stand, with no refutation and/or objection.
Kinda of; you are robed by you shall like it.

(the Ghost of Christmas Past, or The Sins of the Mother(s)!)

🙂

cheers

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pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 1:38 am

“Plus the UK uses pumped hydro, hydro, interconnectors and demand response and is starting to use grid scale batteries

Listen wanker pants, there is only Llanberis available.
It’s used to boil your kettles when the BEEB puts on it’s 9 o’clock news.

There are NO GRID SCALE BATTERIES. ie. In your dreams!

There have already been major grid outages with trains stuck for hours with no power.

The interconnectors are no damn good for when the rest of Europe are pumping most of French nuclear generation off to some other place.

You are just a f..ckg idiot so just give us a break from the crap will you for a change??

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  pigs_in_space
March 12, 2022 3:25 am

To be fair the UK has four pumped storage projects in Scotland and Wales. The largest such project, Dinorwig in north Wales, was commissioned in 1983 with a capacity of 1,728 MW. The Cruachan plant in Scotland can provide 440 MW of power and produces 7.1 GWh/year.

Peak demand in the UK can exceed 40 GW so we’re safe with a couple of GW for a few hours/sarc

Griff doesn’t understand the important difference between GW and GWh.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
March 12, 2022 5:37 am

Dinorwig IS in Llanberis.

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(It’s an almost 100% welsh speaking area.

Griff wouldn’t even understand Wales has it’s own language and culture.
Its few natural resources has water is hijacked to feed Birmingham FOC and nuclear power stations, one of which at trawsfynydd is a hideous concrete relic in an area of outstanding natural beauty..)

whiten
Reply to  pigs_in_space
March 12, 2022 3:56 pm

There are NO GRID SCALE BATTERIES. ie. In your dreams!

Grid scale storage batteries system is impossible as a means of utility even in paper.

But I think griff has being quite misty about the mentioning of “grid scale batteries”.

SA has supposedly a workable grid scale battery system, but that one is not a storage batteries system.

cheers

3x2
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 1:46 am

Griff, you are completely delusional.

Unfortunately your delusion will kill a lot of people before you wake up.

MarkW
Reply to  3x2
March 12, 2022 1:37 pm

The people who pay griff to preach this nonsense believe there are too many people in the world.

alastair gray
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 2:12 am

Do tell me of a grid scale battery in the UK especially, or anywhere else, and quote is energy capacity In GWhr – not power rating in GW. You obviously do a lot of research in this sort of thing and really should share your knowledge.

UK-Weather Lass
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 2:18 am

The grid supply collapsed at least four times in 2019 for some parts of England and every fail was traced back to intermittent energy supply drop outs which will hit certain parts of the grid very heavily while not necessarily causing disruption everywhere. But we are not building baseload generation capacity to cover what is being closed down and so, eventually, those same supply fails will become ever more likely especially if EU countries continue the daft idea of thinking they too can shut down their baseload generating capacity and get away with it because a neighbour will supply them. The Ukrainian people may have something to say about trusting neighbours.

The UK needs nuclear derived baseload capacity because there is no technology in existence that can achieve baseload via batteries, although they are known to explode into life unexpectedly..

Julian Flood
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 2:47 am

Deluded tosh. Seek help

JF
You are telemachus and I claim my five roubles.

Mark BLR
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 3:19 am

… the UK uses pumped hydro, hydro, interconnectors and demand r[e]sponse and is starting to use grid scale batteries

No it isn’t.

No country is using “grid scale” batteries.

All batteries installed so far, and all those proposed in the near- to medium-term, are for “frequency stabilisation” of individual wind-farms, not for “storage / backup” of national grids.

All of the current and proposed “grid scale” battery projects have “capacities” of (typically) 4 hours to (at most) 8 hours.

For example, the previous “biggest battery in the world” is attached to the Hornsdale windfarm in Australia, whose operational characteristics are described in the following link.
URL : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Wind_Farm#Hornsdale_Power_Reserve

It should be incredibly easy to prove me wrong, all you (or anyone else) has to do is … PROVIDE A REFERENCE OR LINK.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Mark BLR
March 13, 2022 8:16 am

Yes. I have a note dated May 2021( unfortunately I did not write down the source) which says the total operational capacity for battery storage in the UK at that time was 1.3GW with 130MW commissioned and that the longer term aim was to get to 16.5GW on 686 sites.

80% of the capacity was being built in the south of the UK. Short term prospects were for 3.2GW from 100 sites as follows

5-10MW from 15 sites
10-20MW from 16 sites
20-30MW from 21 sites
30+MW from 48 sites

Nothing “grid scale” about them at all!

Old Man Winter
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 3:40 am

griffo-

You need to up your game as your ideas aren’t causing enough
misery & you’re letting a crisis go to waste. You need to demand
mandatory rationing, energy use surtaxes, carbon credit payments,
social energy tracking with fines for low performers, etc. Just
remember, when the XRs take over within 10 yrs, they will see
your posts & realize you’re not pure enough to be a true believer
& have you cancelled, which may be a lot more painful then. You
can’t be too careful nowadays!

Do you actually hate the environment considering all the extra
pollution & dead birds your “solutions” create?

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/03/americas-national-renewable-energy-lab-warns-a-tidal-wave-of-wind-and-solar-waste-is-coming/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=americas-national-renewable-energy-lab-warns-a-tidal-wave-of-wind-and-solar-waste-is-coming

LdB
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 7:53 am

How much energy do you really think is going to be on those HVDC interconnectors you can’t be that retarded … I can give you a prediction as every EU country scrambles without Russian gas in next couple of years … 0.00000 :-).

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 12, 2022 1:34 pm

griff really does seem to believe the propaganda he is paid to preach.
Pumped hydro? Tapped out.
Hydro? Tapped out.
Interconnectors? They don’t have any extra power to sell, they are under the same high pressure dome that you are.
Demand response: Cutting off powers to the peons.
Grid Scale Batteries: Even if you can afford them, that covers you for 10 to 15 minutes.

Of course griff has been corrected on this nonsense dozens of times before, but he doesn’t care.

fretslider
March 12, 2022 1:59 am

Kwasi goes chicken…

“The Oil and Gas Authority (OGA) has set us a deadline of 30th June for filling our shale gas wells with concrete. Plugging and abandoning these two wells takes 2-3 months, which is why work’s starting next week. That means we have a rig contracted, waiting to travel to our site in Lancashire, costing dearly for every day it waits idle.

“I urgently request the Business Department and the OGA to formally withdraw its instruction to plug the wells. “

https://order-order.com/2022/03/11/clock-ticking-for-kwasi-to-save-englands-shale-gas-option/

3x2
March 12, 2022 2:27 am

Those paying attention will have noticed just how fast the focus has shifted from the fantasy of plentiful cheap ‘green’ energy to rationing what little is available in such a short time.

Trains could reduce their top speed and services could be reduced to prevent empty running.

Prime example … So we have moved from encouraging people to drop their cars and use more public transport to rationing even public transport …

Welcome to Griff world.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  3x2
March 13, 2022 12:22 am

All part of the manipulation & control the Socialists get off on every night, telling people how they MUST live their lives, What to eat, what to drink, when & where to do it, etc. What to think, what to read & watch! Freedom is the Devil’s byword where they are concerned, all undertaken in plane sight whilst pretending to be the people who truly care about others!!! If only that were true about them caring!!!

DiggerUK
March 12, 2022 3:11 am

The EU Council of Ministers (which is made up of the elected heads of states) has asked the European Commission (an unelected dictatorship) to put proposals to the European Parliament (which is made up of european citizens who actually do get elected by popular ballot) to double up on its lunatic net zero carbon policy.
They are going full throttle to end all imports of Russian coal, oil and gas. They are then going to get their fuel for generating electricity from where?

“Heads of state and government, gathered at the Versailles palace, west of Paris, on Friday announced a plan to improve their militaries together and for the bloc to produce its own food, energy and military hardware”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10604355/EU-leaders-agree-collectively-rearm-phase-Russian-gas-oil-coal-soon-possible.html

If anybody is travelling to europe, please don’t forget to pack some candles in your bags…_

A reminder for all UK citizens to sign and circulate the petition for a referendum on NetZero…_
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/599602

Richard Page
Reply to  DiggerUK
March 12, 2022 12:38 pm

I thought the latest news was that 5 countries had rejected the EU’s (VdL’s) plan to immediately cut out Russian gas and oil?

Andrew Wilkins
March 12, 2022 3:18 am

“Trains could reduce their top speed and services could be reduced to prevent empty running”
I don’t drive (I have epilepsy). I use public transport to go everywhere – I just took the train from London to Bristol this weekend.
Why should I have my journey times lengthened and be restricted by how often I can catch a train just because some green moron like Harabin thinks he’s going to save the planet from some sort of cataclysm? It makes me furious!

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
March 12, 2022 4:12 am

British trains already don’t even come close to half the speed of the French TGV.
Why anyone would want to spend even longer in a dirty old out of date POS powered by a diesel beats me.

WTF is going on in the heads of what used to be the creators of the Industrial revolution? – the supermarine Spitfire Scheider Trophy winner and the only supersonic airliner in the world – the Filton engineered Concorde…

griff
Reply to  pigs_in_space
March 13, 2022 9:54 am

They are 2.5 times the speed of fastest US trains though!

griff
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
March 13, 2022 9:54 am

That line is electrified: it would only be diesel trains affected.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
March 13, 2022 10:11 am

Um, has it not occured to you that I don’t just travel to Bristol and back?
As I said, I go everywhere by public transport. That includes using diesel trains.
If you plugged your brain in for just a moment you’d realise that restrictions on diesel trains will have a knock on effect to all other types of train service as people decamp to other train services, causing yet more over crowding and disruption.

Greytide
March 12, 2022 4:05 am

So much for HS2 then. Billions spent on High Speed Rail when they will need a man with a red flag in front of them!

Reply to  Greytide
March 12, 2022 10:00 am

Like this?

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Alan the Brit
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 13, 2022 12:27 am

Ah, the “good” old days!!!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Greytide
March 13, 2022 12:26 am

HS2 may or not come to fruition, after all, it was merely an EU dictat that all regions of the EU MUST be accessible by High Speed Train, the only reason HS2 & it’s predecessor were initiated!!!

griff
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 13, 2022 9:53 am

Alan, if you passed by the HS2 route as I frequently have to do, you would see the colossal amount of work on it they have already done… you’d need years to put all the earth and trees back… I don’t think they are cancelling it now…

Alba
March 12, 2022 4:47 am

The International Energy Agency urges everyone to turn down the thermostat by a degree – that could save up to 10% of heating energy (and costs), it says.
That’s like the UK road signs telling us to slow down. Well, someone driving at 50mph could slow down to 40 mph whereas someone driving at 60mph could slow down but still be driving at 50mph. So someone with the thermostat at 25 degrees could turn it down 1 degree and still feel comfortable but it would be quite different for somebody who has already set their thermostat at 20 degrees.
Perhaps the solution is for everybody to set their thermostats at 25 degrees for a month or so and then turn them down one degree.
Some analysts want the government to phase out the sale of new gas boilers and hobs rapidly. Boilers running on imported gas would be replaced by electric heat pumps powered by electricity generated by British wind farms.
But griff has told us how wonderful are the interconnectors which let us use other countries’ (nuclear- or fossil-fuelled?) electricity when the wind is not blowing.

Julian Flood
Reply to  Alba
March 12, 2022 9:32 am

Unless the wind is not blowing from Norway to Morocco as was the case late last year.
The problem with our Eloi political class is that they have forgotten that night always comes.

JF

griff
Reply to  Alba
March 13, 2022 9:51 am

Yes. We also have links to get wind power from other countries. Or export it: we were supplying electricity to France this morning.

Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 4:56 am

A recent survey shows that only 28% of british would fight an invading force taking over their country. the rest would flee or roll over, so its quite amusing that you think they ever consider over throwing their government or committing to mass unrest.

Really funny infact, the british elite can do whatever they want when ever they want and the british will just piss and whine about it and do sweet FA else, they may vote the head snake out only to replace them with the same snake in a different suit or coloured tie, and that’s it.

This generation are completely worthless and deserve all they get, and all they have coming down the pipe.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 5:07 am

ps I have read all the replies about stiff upper lips and fighting spirit etc etc etc, funniest schit iv’e read in ages thanks to all of you for highly enjoyable and funny funny read.

Completely deluded each and and every one of you. i’m british i’m manx british and it shames me to have to say it.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 9:11 am

Yes not the same people as

9 February 1933 at The Oxford Union Society. The motion presented, “This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and country,” passed at 275 votes for the motion and 153 against it. The motion would later be named “the Oxford Oath” or “the Oxford Pledge”.

Or

The poll tax riots were a series of riots in British towns and cities during protests against the Community Charge (commonly known as the “poll tax”), introduced by the Conservative government of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.

Julian Flood
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 9:42 am

Manx. No you’re not. You’re a griff sock puppet. Take the meds.

JF

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Julian Flood
March 12, 2022 11:23 am

You are deluded as the rest of luke-warmer gate-keepers here julian old bean.

Julian Flood
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 4:56 pm

Silly post.

JF

griff
Reply to  Julian Flood
March 13, 2022 9:49 am

He’s making puppets out of my socks?

Please desist from that, Mr Ashe

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 5:49 am

Don’t forget the:-
“Just another two faced lying British Bastard”.

French were described as “surrender monkeys” and now with Macron Putin appeasers as well as “SM”.

The British became a perfect mix of both “SM” and “JUTFLBB”.
Makes me want to puke.

Julian Flood
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 9:40 am

Yeah, yeah, I know it’s one of those sad trolls who confuses hits with being important but I can’t resist.
Before the war the young gentlemen at the Oxford Union had a debate on the motion ‘This House would not fight for King and Country’. It was approved overwhelmingly.

Then they fought courageously on land and sea and in the air to turn back another overmighty pipsqueak.

But perhaps you didn’t know that, griff, thanks for giving me the opportunity to remind you.

JF

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Julian Flood
March 13, 2022 12:32 am

Just what is it with jumped-up little Corporals in Western Europe???

Richard Page
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 12:47 pm

Yeah, sorry but I think your post suffers from ‘poll location bias’ – it’s probably sampled the same groups that think ‘global warming is an existential threat’, ‘vegetarianism will save the planet’ and ‘eliminating capitalism will ensure a fairer society for all’. Most of these things are a complete load of rubbish.

Mark Whitney
March 12, 2022 5:33 am

“Boris Johnson has pledged to produce an energy strategy shortly that does all three things.”

He is only now getting around to coming up with a plan? Sounds very bureaucratic.

Richard Page
Reply to  Mark Whitney
March 12, 2022 11:52 am

Sounds like he forgot to ask Carrie what he should do!

LdB
Reply to  Mark Whitney
March 12, 2022 4:53 pm

I can give you the Bojo 3 point plan

1.) Make some vague promises on a couple of year timeline
2.) Setup a committee to oversee the plan
3.) Retire on political pension before the political plan is ever due to be complete

Vuk
March 12, 2022 6:23 am

Quote for today:
Plans to spend millions rolling out heat pumps to the nation are a “classic pratfall”

BERNARD STEPHEN FITZGERALD
March 12, 2022 7:10 am

It’s apathy, no one does apathy quite like us Brits. Inherently we know there isn’t a climate problem and pray for significant global warming to produce proper spring, summer seasons and milder winters. But as long as media and politicos spout hot air and avoid doing anything meaningful we let it ride. Johnson knows votes are to be had paying lip service to climate loons so the earnest concern fraud carries on. Meanwhile the general population yawns whilst saying “pissing down again”.

The BBC should be decommissioned asap.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  BERNARD STEPHEN FITZGERALD
March 12, 2022 11:32 am

This above is the truest post so far.
well played Bernard, it will take the working lass as usual to take too the streets to save country from the lunacy as usual, ans as usual the BBC will condemn hem as far right violent protesters.

Richard Page
Reply to  Gary Ashe
March 12, 2022 12:55 pm

I’m all for working lasses taking to the streets but I’m really not sure where you’re going with that – seems a bit dodgy to be endorsing that sort of thing on WUWT.

griff
Reply to  BERNARD STEPHEN FITZGERALD
March 13, 2022 9:48 am

but there is a climate problem in the UK, as a long string of storms and the constant flooding should show you

michel
March 12, 2022 7:32 am

You notice that Harrabin is following the Guardian style guide?

“Global heating” is the mandatory term, to replace “warming” which was judged not alarming enough.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  michel
March 12, 2022 11:34 am

Yeah just like they dropped CO2 in favour of CARBON.

Kevin kilty
March 12, 2022 8:10 am

The suggestions about energy savings are often to small effect, and involve tradeoffs that the proponents do not articulate. Saving up to 10% of heating/cooling load by a one degree centigrade (I assume) adjustment of the thermostat suggests places with an annual average of only 10C heating cooling day. No doubt there are many such places, but not an overwhelming majority I will bet. Can the thermostat even be adjusted to such a fine degree?

Everyone blabs about insulation. It is fairly difficult and expensive to fully retrofit old houses and buildings, and the turn-over of existing residential and commercial buildings (in the U.S.) is somewhere between 1% and 2% per year. Now a person can identify the worst leaks in a building and concentrate on them maybe, but lots of insulation activities are done poorly enough that they become like a hobby activity — like “shotgun” maintenance.

In other words retrofit to save energy is such a slow process that lots of other faster processes, like stupidity, have greater apparent effect. And there is always the issue of insulating a building to the point that it has new problems with water vapor, chemical vapors, freezing of water distribution, or fire-safety.

55mph speed limits? Oh my, the 70s show is back again. A speed limit this low is fine when the highway is so jammed that traffic doesn’t reach 55 anyway. Otherwise what this does is put people and products on the road for longer periods of time — i.e. productivity falls because more is just sauntering along on the roads. One size fits all speed limits are silly.

Profligate spending on renewables, and starving investment into real energy supplies can never be made up with forced penury.

Last edited 6 months ago by Kevin kilty
Dave Andrews
Reply to  Kevin kilty
March 13, 2022 8:41 am

In the UK a government sponsored scheme for cavity wall insulation was rolled out in the early 2000s and resulted in 4m homes having below standard work done which required remediation which itself largely created further problems. MPs sounded sympathetic but did nothing and legal battles are still ongoing (for those who can afford it).

Now the plan is to give people a weeks training in installing heat pumps and to have 600,000 a year being installed from 2028. What could possibly go wrong!?!

griff
Reply to  Kevin kilty
March 13, 2022 9:47 am

Can the thermostat even be adjusted to such a fine degree?

Well mine is a modern ‘Hive’ thermostat, which I can control precisely

Alan Davidson
March 12, 2022 9:19 am

On a recent visit to UK I made a point of getting involved in discussion with family and old friends about UK’s energy policies, climate change etc. People are very brainwashed by the BBC and the UK news media to believe solar and wind power with batteries in their electricity grid will be perfectly fine. Even among people with some science or engineering education and background there seems little or no understanding that atmospheric water vapour is by far the dominant GHG, CO2 has very little effect and methane’s contribution is miniscule. I made a point of asking people the (0.04) % of CO2 in the atmosphere. Most have no idea, some think it it’s more than 20% or so! I asked how they thought 4 CO2 molecules in 10,000 of the atmosphere could possibly create an overall temperature increase in the atmosphere – no clue at all.

On the other hand there seems to be considerable skepticism about EVs being a viable short or long term option for a large proportion of the vehicle-owning population. EVs could be viable in urban areas, not in rural areas, but public transport is good in urban areas and vehicle ownership there is low. Also a large proportion of the population in urban areas are in apartment blocks, or areas with only on-street parking where EV charging will either be difficult or impossible.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 13, 2022 1:02 am

Not any more Eric, now it is all minecraft for the youngsters. The BBC are in terminal decline. Thanks to the sterling efforts of people like Harrabin and too many others to name, the BBC is a walking corpse they simply fail to understand their situation.
More tumbling walrus, anyone?

huls
March 12, 2022 9:25 am

Russian energy crisis? You mean the ongoing supply of Russian gas against agreed terms and prices, that crisis?
Or do you mean the virtue signalling cutting off nose to spite face refusal to receive the ongoing supply of Russian gas against agreed terms and prices, that crisis?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  huls
March 12, 2022 12:30 pm

We don’t need Holodomor 11 is that is Russian gas financing it?
F..ck Russian gas and oil.
We can do that stuff ourselves as we did for the last 200 years thanks!

Richard Page
Reply to  huls
March 12, 2022 12:59 pm

Yes!

March 12, 2022 9:32 am

Harrabin is a bought and paid for greentard.

Richard Page
Reply to  Leo Smith
March 12, 2022 12:58 pm

Oh he’s worse than that; Mr. Harrabin is quite the apparatchik and is firmly convinced that he should be running the BBC, if not the world!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Richard Page
March 13, 2022 12:46 am

The rot set in some years ago in the UK public sector. Technically trained people, engineers, architects, scientists, were all paid between 5-10% more than their administrative colleagues, on the simple premise that the technical staff had to undergo a more in-depth training & education path, often taking several years, whereas the admin workers could learn to do their job in a few months at worst! Then that started to change for some bizarre reason whereby the admin peeps were being paid slightly more than the technobods, becoming a type of tail-wagging the dog condition!!!

Paul Johnson
March 12, 2022 9:50 am

The public might accept the restrictions if they were persuaded of an urgent need.”
Sure, just convince the public of the urgent need to respond to computer projections of weather in the 22nd century.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 13, 2022 12:53 am

Those deaths may indeed be true, but then again, it always has been the case especially now that many peeps are realising that the earth’s climate changes & always has done. The cause-celebre here is to convince peeps that this was never the case in the past, & that the Earth’s climate always stayed the same, except when any change was mandated by historians!!! The lies & deceit are rife!!!

griff
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 13, 2022 9:45 am

Yes, climate has always changed, but now there is a new and additional driver of climate change on top of the historic ones: human CO2.

Paul Johnson
Reply to  griff
March 13, 2022 10:31 am

Which drives the computer projections of 22nd century weather and thus the need for urgent action?

THOMAS ENGLERT
Reply to  griff
March 13, 2022 1:00 pm

Climate change drives the CO2 level in the atmosphere due to ocean warming/cooling.
“Human CO2” is beneficial to all life on the planet.

Editor
March 12, 2022 1:08 pm

One thing is clear – there will be no new coal-fired power stations.

Small correction:

One thing is clear – new coal-fired power stations are needed.

Mikeyj
March 12, 2022 1:29 pm

“courageous and good hearted” or stupid and ignorant?

spren
March 12, 2022 2:18 pm

Yeah, bring back the 55 MPH speed limit again! It worked so well when Carter put it in place and was eagerly complied with:) What a bunch of idiotic clowns.

Petit_Barde
March 12, 2022 2:37 pm

I beg a question : what climat crisis ?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Petit_Barde
March 13, 2022 12:54 am

Don’t worry, as I’ve pointed out, they are awaiting in the wings with a new name to be trumpeted as soon as it is necessary!!!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Petit_Barde
March 13, 2022 5:45 am

Good question. I don’t see a climate crisis anywhere I look.

Alarmists see a climate crisis everywhere they look. But they are just hyperventilating over Mother Nature. There’s nothing unprecedented going on despite more CO2 in the air. In fact, more CO2 is going into the air today, but the tempeatures have cooled by 0.7C to date. CO2 amounts and temperatures seem to be going in opposite directions. One up, One down. What’s the explanation for that?

griff
Reply to  Petit_Barde
March 13, 2022 9:43 am

The very real one you are ignoring, the one bringing all the severe flooding, heatwaves, fires, super strength typhoons etc you are also pretending are ‘just normal’

Lark
March 12, 2022 6:00 pm

Slower trains, more restricted road travel, colder homes – all because Britain’s political and media elite still cannot admit their renewable energy fantasy is a failure.

I consider the alternative explanation more likely — that slow trains, expensive travel and cold homes for British citizens are how Britain’s political and media elite know that their renewable energy policy is a success.

Last edited 6 months ago by Lark
griff
Reply to  Lark
March 13, 2022 9:42 am

I assume the slower trains would be the diesel trains, not the electric ones…

However with diesel trains now being replaced by hybrid and hydrogen powered models, should be less of a problem…

THOMAS ENGLERT
Reply to  griff
March 13, 2022 1:04 pm

What happens to the Carbon atom when H2 is extracted from CH4?

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
March 14, 2022 8:40 am

Diesel trains are not being replaced by hydrogen trains. In the UK Network Rail have said that as the energy density of hydrogen is one eight of that of diesel. which means the fuel storage tanks need to be eight times larger, hydrogen trains are not suitable for freight or high speed passenger trains.

Network rail’s preferred option is electrification of 13,000 kms of track at a cost of some £30 billion but the Treasury is not keen on providing that amount and everything is up in the air again

John
March 13, 2022 8:34 am

Fossil fuel prices are skyrocketing
Codtvif renewable energy decreased 12% last year

griff
Reply to  John
March 13, 2022 9:41 am

Codtvif?

a_scientist
March 14, 2022 10:28 am

“The public might accept the restrictions if they were persuaded of an urgent need. ”

Yet clearly the average person looks out the window, projects into the future, and sees no urgent needs.

Climate change, a few degrees decades or centuries in the future don’t even make it onto the average persons radar. Verses freezing in their homes now, paying exorbitant prices to fill the car to get to groceries or work. Does not even register.

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