We are in contact with many scientists and researchers who wish to remain anonymous due to the politicized nature of science, (and everything else) these days. They send us things, including things that chill us to the bone.
We received this email today forwarded from the “Scientists for Global Responsibility“
Hi xxxxxxx
I’m writing as I believe you may be interested in signing the Science Oath for the Climate organized by Scientists for Global Responsibility in the run-up to COP26.
The oath is for scientists, engineers and academics to demonstrate their commitment to speaking out about the scale of the threat shown by the scientific evidence, and the consequent speed and scope of necessary action – despite the often politically challenging conclusions that they lead to. In order to show leadership, signatories pledge to take action to reduce their own emissions and to lobby their professional associations to align themselves to pathways compliant with the Paris 1.5°C pathway. The oath is about both individual behaviour and system change.
Details are at
https://www.sgr.org.uk/projects/science-oath-climate-text-and-signing
I do hope that you would like to sign and I look forward to seeing your name on the list. If you were also able to distribute the Oath through your own channels, that would be a great help in improving its reach.
Best wishes,
Loyalty Oaths demanded by the Klimate Konsensus Katastrophists.
Not unexpected, but still frightfully sad.
The person who sent this thought we should make fun of it. Ridicule the effort. Show it for the nonsense it is. So I chose a clown image to tie it in, but I just can’t seem to see any humor in what is truly a totalitarian movement.
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How long until only those who can prove that they have always been a member of the Communist party will be able to find employment of any kind?
During the early 70s, I applied for a visa to the US to join the Summer School/Camps program. One of the questions was if I was a communist or had ever been a communist. I had never been but that stopped me in my tracks. Never finished the application.
An oath sworn under duress has never been enforceable.
As Edward I found out.
“The Ragman Rolls – The History Jar”
https://thehistoryjar.com/2021/10/31/the-ragman-rolls/amp/
I don’t know whether you’ve tried to find a branch of the communist party to join lately – there really aren’t any genuine communists left.
an eccentric work colleague tried to join as a protest against something or other: couldn’t find anywhere to sign up…
Don’t know where you live, griff but here’s a contact for you in the UK.
Communist Party of Britain
Griff lives on planet Zog. Everybody here knows that.
Or here for all your revolutionary socialist needs:
https://swp.org.uk/
Got ’em in the US too: https://www.cpusa.org/
theyre still around in aus as well under the wobblies type places
One way ticket to China or NK. Assuming they’re climate changers don’t forget China is burning over half the world’s coal. So there must be some coal hauling railway tracks they can chain themselves to or glue themselves to Tiananmen Square in protest. Let the revolutions begin.
North Korea’ s just over there. Try Cuba or China as well. Do you need an atlas to help you?
Venezuela, Mozambique.
Meant Zimbabwe, not Mozambique. I do not know what the political climate of Mozambique is like.
Genuine communism is a contradiction in terms.
Communism is never communism. Soviet Union was determined to not have real communism after the fact.
Big C communism is a vehicle to power. Cultures under stress revert to type: Russians create a Czar, Chinese create Emperors and Romania created Off-with-his-head Kings. Power is often taken, but more often it is given.
The unique experiment of the Federation created in the USA is historically interesting and contains a moral lesson. The USA was created by a group of atheists riding on the coattails of social progress made through religion. There is no natural moral law in atheism. So the corruption of the American system of government was inevitable because the religious, while permitted, are not in defining control of the country’s direction. The excuse given is that, as religious leaders never agree, they should be prevented from creating a theocratic state (however interpreted) – no king, no pope.
The corruption of the US political system has never been more evidence. Look at the sort of people who dominate it from top to bottom, and by bottom I mean the head prosecutors and mayors and for all I know, dog catchers, who have been put into “positions of influence” by the money of Mr Soros and Mr Zuckerberg. It is amazing what and who you can buy in the American electoral system. Obviously it will fail, spectacularly, if the moral vacuum is not filled by something good.
So what was a pretty good idea (federalism with limited power at the top) has (or is) been ruined by materialism and the lust for power, not to mention the direct influence of inordinate wealth. This has knock-on effects in the universities, which ruins education in general, which ruins trust. All this we are witnessing, egged on by those who see another route to power and they are taking it.
Niceguy’s comment that the Soviet Union dispensed with all but the name is an important point. It was all about the power of the party, not the people. By their definition, an opponent of the party is automatically an enemy of the people to be locked down or shot up.
A Party is a faction, as indicated by the request to sign a document swearing allegiance to some climate-action-plan, the stated intent of which is to more sharply divide people into the “Us” and the “Other”. Typical party-ist behaviour! By signing you are helping to enforce the othering of a whole population, probably better informed on the subjects of logic, discourse and climate IMV.
Thanks for the article. It is good to know who is up to what.
The USA was created by a group of atheists
I think that is at least as incorrect as saying they were all Christians. Reality lies somewhere in between.
The corruption of the US political system has never been more evidence.
The system has been corrupted. However, I don’t think the corruption was inherent. I think the founders simply underestimated people’s lust for power and ability to twist things to their own ends. Once the corruption set in, you end up with a snowball effect.
Look at the sort of people who dominate it from top to bottom, and by bottom I mean the head prosecutors and mayors and for all I know, dog catchers
School boards.
The USA was created by a group of atheists
That is far from the truth. The first act of congress after producing the Constitution was to ensure the new country had an adequate supply of bibles. They wanted the people to be religious but felt that it wasn’t the government’s business to tell you how to worship god.
The constitution relies on honest and honorable people to maintain it. The only way to ensure that in a population is to have it follow a god that requires the best from its followers. The more we drift away from god, the more our country goes down the drain.
If you think the US was founded by a group of atheist’s, then you have never read any of the writings of those founders. The closest you might come might be Jefferson. He was a deist. He was quite convinced that there was a god, but wasn’t convinced that it was the Christian god.
Just because nobody is willing to wear the name communist, is not proof that there are no communists.
You work? Really?
Griff, you need to study a little history. Progressives are Marxist and they date back to the last quarter of the 19th century. Right now just about every Democrat in the U.S. government is progressive so all you need to do is join the Democrat party. You will have plenty of company.
England has fabian socialist and over twenty countries have some form of socialism. The only difference between socialism and communism is that they are different steps on the way to Marxism.
If you coworker is unable to find a group to join, that person is inept and you might be best not to associate with them.
Well, Griff, I have to say for the first time you have written a decent post.
The communists, at least in the US mostly function as “socialists”, so they can pretend they aren’t communist.
Worse – they have usurped the respectable name of “Liberals”.
You are just as pathetic finding your communist headquarters as you are at finding reality.
Many climate parades have shown union after union parading with flags/signs that identify them as communists/socialists.
The head of BLM recently declared that capitalism was invented by white people as a means to suppress blacks and minorities. He declared that they will only have “freedom” once capitalism is destroyed.
One of our regular posters here also proclaims that socialism promotes freedom. (Which is partially true, those who are on the receiving end of free stuff, have more freedom. Those who are forced to fund socialism, have fewer freedoms.)
That’s because they call themselves the green party nowadays.
In the ’30’s, in the US, if you believed in racial integration, the rights of labor to organize, and that Hitler was a madman who should be re-imprisoned, the communist party was the only organization out there with you.
Swearing an oath?
That is now science?
Can we dub it the Hypocritical Oath, with Al Gore as the figurehead?
I swear by Apollo Gore Jr, by Oreskes, by Hansen, by Emanual, and by all the gods, goddesses and Mann, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture. That the all sacred Climate is ruled by Carbon Dioxide and no other. That this Climate was perfect until corrupted by mankind. And that the children henceforth will have no knowledge of what snow is.
I saw a poster on a bulletin board today that said, “Science is society.”
The takeover by socialists is close.
Actually, I swore an oath “…defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. That defense includes the First Amendment, and this Oath above is close to an infringement. Curious how, when your term of service has ended, they do not ask you to rescind that oath.
I swore an oath when I read about the climate oath.
My oath is not printable.
Was it swearing an oath? Or just swearing? 😉
Thanks for your service, Ron. It is much appreciated.
You can forswear an oath if you want to. I would guess you aren’t really interested in doing that, more power to you!
And just how much is the oath of a corrupted liar worth?
I’ve got my own estimate.
Oath or Oaf?
Oaf, moron, idiot, doofus, greentard etc.
No, deadly serious Marxists. Let’s Go Brandon!
Let’s go Brandon, back to the nursing home.
To Hell!
The KK und K needs to develop a catechism, so we can properly determine what beliefs are required by this faith.
I believe, always believed, that we have a climate, that this climate changes, had always changed, will always change and there’s nothing we can do about it (mostly, but we can adapt to anything, but not with our current leaders)
Actually … this planet does not have a climate at all. That’s why there’s so much confusion over whether a thing that does not exist can be in crisis. Earth has climates but that does not mean they’re all governed by one single force applied uniformly, spatially or temporally, world wide.
Yes. It’s a gross oversimplification. Just like presenting “global average temperature” or “anomaly”.
Even those turn out to be continually “adjusted” interpolations of averages of other averages. In fact the entire “climate change” fraud is equivocal … one honking logical fallacy, an appeal to ambiguity. Without their illiberal use of logical fallacies alarmunists would have no arguments at all.
You have that right! I would like griff and his peeps to show us data on what climates have appeared or disappeared in the last 80 years.
Me too and I’d also like to be shown which specific climate is in crisis.
A few years ago there was a distinct population of about 100 itty, bitty little poisonous frogs on a 2-3 acre plot in Central America.
They were frightened to death by the large number of biologists who came to count them.
For Science of course.
I would have thought that with all the academic grant money at issue, climate change loyalty oaths would be unnecessary. Maybe it’s the reduced personal carbon footprint part of the oath, cause most climate grantees do like to travel to ‘conferences’ (aka parties). Even Greta.
Good points.
This oath is not needed by those who on the payroll. It’s to enforce compliance from the rest of us.
What a bundle of fun Greta must be at any party!
What a bundle of fun Greta must be.
my climate footprint is only about 30 sq.in., an average of three different shoes. Any smaller and I won’t be able to walk, much less curse at the G,d oath.
I actually hold to the fact that they ,the alarmists are the true deniers . I’m proud of being a realist since 1991 and to have been involved in several published papers describing the extent of pseudo science involved and the use of “ evidence” from the scientifically useless climate models .
model use is a good way ,however, to distinguish what science ,if any, is in the paper . And hours of time is saved when you quit reading at the first mention of modeling.
That is a wise, time saving move. Modeling appears to have become shorthand for avoiding the work of gathering and tabulating empirical evidence and the discipline of designing reproducible experiments to form consistent predictions.
Do a word search for statistical significance in the paper. If it ain’t there, the paper ain’t worth spit.
Based on the way things are going so far this fall, we need MORE “global warming!” Any <realistic> ideas as to how to get it?
Move to Florida
well we could try putting more more co2 in the atmosphere but there is no proof that will work
Reading the oath explanation is even funnier. Clause 2:
If you sign the oath, you’re not allowed to use your own scientific judgement, you have to accept and repeat the alarmist position as gospel.
Suspend your disbelief. A Socialism requirement.
“explain honestly, clearly and without compromise, what scientific evidence tells us about the seriousness of the climate emergency.” If they did that they would all lose their cushy government-funded lifetime sinecures.
The oath implies also with out any uncertainty.
As Stephan Schneider, their guru told them, that might dilute the “message”.
None whatsoever. The entirety of the AGW conjecture is taken on faith. No actual evidence has actually been gathered to support the conjecture.
The “urgent need for systemic change” is a key quote. Everyone who signs it is a true communist.
It is of no coincidence that the UN push for global warming began as the USSR collapsed.
Eco-National-Socialists mixed with Stalin
Don’t get “political” when adhering to the principles and goals of “The Paris Agreement” which of course is a political agreement and NOT a “Scientific” agreement.
“If you sign the oath, you’re not allowed to use your own scientific judgement, you have to accept and repeat the alarmist position as gospel.”
Yes, Big Brother wants us toeing the Party Line.
I’m not sure how you can support “commitments” which differ from each other. That alone is crazy! Can’t they make up their minds whether it is 1.5’C or 2’C?
You clearly have not read “The Instruction Manual” (as translated by Eric Blair).
See : doublethink.
Doublethink implies 2degrees.
The world needs scientists.
We can’t escape the reality that there will be “activists”.
However, professional societies (and the scientists themselves) should be repelled at the thought of a “scientist-activist”.
Stephan Schneider should have rethought his infamous essay; and should have instead advised “never the twain should meet!”
Postscript: in Googling Schneider’s name to get the correct spelling the first and very large entry in Headline type was:
A Final Word: Stephen Schneider, Climate Scientist and Warrior
I rest my case.
(If I have to spell it out, one gets notoriety by being a Warrior, not a scientist.)
Warriors are noisy by nature. Scientists just keep plugging along, searching for the truth.
Yes. And bona fide scientists such as the late Hal Lewis and Richard Lindzen and Murry Salby and Susan Crockford and Peter Ridd and yourself would calmly reply (no doubt):
“Because the scale of the threat shown by the scientific evidence is unmeasured and likely unmeasurable, it is, therefore, negligible. Now please stop bothering me with this stuff so I can get back to my observations… .🤨
“scientist-activist” is an oxymoron. The ideal scientist is “disinterested” and “objective,” which means no preconceived ideas or allegiances that will bias interpretations and conclusions.
Just proves that communists/socialists are short on brainpower and need to be given “the facts” to follow.
Sheep!
Political climate, no. Social climate, no. Business climate, no. Weather over variable periods, nominally over 30-years, no. No, No, No, and No. I am a denier.
I have been denying constantly for nearly two decades that this planet has a climate at all … and most strenuously that something nonexistent can be in crisis. However, I have never denied that climate exists. All I want is for the true believers and alarmunists to define their terms.
Truly terrifying! Shades of the House Committee on Un-American Activities and Tail-Gunner Joe McCarthy. We can only hope this oath dies aborning.
You have that confused with Stalin’s show-trials. McCarthy was right.
Yes. See, e.g., The Venona Papers nicely discussed in Ann Coulter’s book, Treason; and also see the 1952 book Witness by Whittaker Chambers.
It was unfortunate (not done maliciously) that the author of this WUWT piece drew an inaccurate and distasteful parallel between the liberty-loving science realists (a.k.a. “Deniers”) and the tyranny-promoting communists which freedom-loving U.S. officials attempted to identify with the question, “Are you or have you ever been… ?”
I used to think communism or authoritarianism could not happen here in the U.S., now I’m not so sure. Keep a bag packed.
Where to? I used to think Australia, despite our lack of explicit constitutional protections, was comfortable and laid back enough to be safe, the British system of tradition and fair play. Not so sure now.
There is pretty much nowhere left. I left the UK because of its awful weather and, in my opinion, miserable people. I liked Australia for a while, but it’s too ‘woke’ and restrictive for me these days.
I’ll be left as a global nomad unless I find somewhere I can tolerate. I may take tax residency of convenience somewhere that does not try to tax foreign income, but I’ll try to avoid becoming a subject of any country at all.
Be careful where you settle. There is a WW2 legend about someone who knew war was coming in Europe, and wanted to get out, so he settled his family in Iwo Jima…
You gotta find somewhere that’s been the full circle.
NZ will be a contender in a few years I reckon.
Jacinda will introduce a law requiring written consent for conjugal rights with ewes, and that will be a line crossed.
(or maybe the All Blacks will have to be renamed to the All Diversified or something)
And the penalty for breaking that law will be a weekend alone with her in a venue of her choice.
Fortunately Christopher Luxon has just become leader of her opposition. Much and many rely on him.
“There is pretty much nowhere left.”
There are still individual States of the United States. A lot of people are running to Texas and Florida, and other, more favorable States.
States have Rights.
Unfortunately a lot of the people running to Texas and Florida are refugees from states like California or New York, who are still convinced that this time, socialism will work.
Before the ridiculous and despotic global lockdowns, I spent some time in Antigua. They are gloriously laid back there.
and a round chambered
Keep your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark. There may not be time to grab the bag.
This looks more and more like a replay of Lysenkoism and the destruction of genetics in the Soviet Union.
See Simon Ings “Stalin and the Scientists”
“In order to show leadership, signatories pledge to take action to reduce their own emissions and to lobby their professional associations to align themselves to pathways compliant with the Paris 1.5°C pathway.”
It continues to amaze me how individuals who are supposed to be scientists continue to cling to the 1.5 and 2.0 degrees Celsius temperature threshold claim. It has been (and continues to be) my understanding that these temp threshold numbers were picked out of thin air for political (or at least non-scientific) purposes from a individual at the Potsdam Institute in Germany.
Are these “scientists” claiming that the Earth has never seen temperatures go above the 1.5 or 2.0 deg Celsius threshold? If they have in the ancient or prehistoric past, then why are we all still here? Where is the science that says these are dangerous threshold temperatures? Why does no one question them?
A clown suit is the appropriate photo for this posting, but it isn’t the skeptics who need to be fitted for one.
No more leading from behind.
That is fantastic
Awesome! Climate activism cured in one meme!
Flip your main breaker, too; much of your electricity comes from gas-fired combustion turbines.
Gringojay: Great point.
Maybe someone will organize a group to go around to the houses of these oath signers and turn off their gas for them. They could be called “Valve Turners” or something.
This is funny gringo but I fear you have just posted an instruction manual for eco terrorism.
The genesis of the 1.5 or 2.0 threshold has all the validity of the 6 foot social distancing edict.
Here, pull my finger. See if 6 feet makes a difference.
At one time they tried to claim that the 1.5C limit would get us back to the levels of the Medieval warm period and once we get past that point we are in “uncharted territory”.
Somehow that morphed into we are all gonna die if temperatures rise more that 1.5C from the bottom of the Little Ice Age.
But beyond that, the world has been well above the levels of the Medieval warm period for most of the last 10,000 years and life not only did not come to an end, it thrived.
I absolutely 100% agree with this sentiment.
I absolutely 100% disagree with this sentiment.
I also state, for the record, that do not now, nor have I ever, denied climates. I’m 100% certain that climates exist.
I think this is a great service. We now will have a list of self identified pseudo-scientists and incompetents so we know whom to ignore. Anyone signing such an oath is clearly declaring their lack out critical thinking skills and devotion to woke-ist groupthink.
Yes, it’s a handy list of admitted scientific charlatans who substitute political agendas for real science. Everyone who signs this oaf should be cancelled and fired on that basis alone.
If I were an employer and one of my employees signed that oath, I would make sure that this person never got into a position with any kind of responsibility in my company.
I have no desire to give any form of responsibility to someone who has proven they are incapable of thinking for themselves.
I’ll sign it – nothing problematic there.
explain honestly, clearly and without compromise, what scientific evidence tells us about the seriousness of the climate emergency.
The scientific evidence is clear that the “climate emergency” is a joke.
And responses of a like manner to the other clauses as well.
Where do I sign?
Hint – if someone is pushing you in a direction you don’t want to go in, don’t necessarily push back. That’s what they will expect and hope, so don’t give them that.
For instance you’re in the water and someone pushes your head down below the surface. Pushing back up is the wrong response – you’re just more firmly in their hands. No – instead you swim down – and away.
Eh, no. You grab their legs and pull them down. They’ll let go of your head rather quickly.
That sounds like a version of what happened to Brett Weinstein at Evergreen College:
PART ONE: Bret Weinstein, Heather Heying & the Evergreen Equity Council
… “which then becomes fodder for promotion, firings and all sorts of proceedings”.
So, what happens if you violate your oath, by say: failing to bicycle to work, downsize you home, drive a smaller car, neglecting to lobby your professional association… or anything else you pledged? And what happens if you have a vindictive boss that will take that very seriously?
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Furthermore, as I am on faculty myself, I know of a great many scientifically trained staff members that view climate science as an extremely dodgy discipline. In almost all cases they remain silent, so this is now going force them to declare a position that they don’t agree with, which is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way, especially those who went into science, out of curiosity and truth seeking. I was not at all surprised by PhDs being one of the most vaccine hesitant groups, because the data about safety and efficacy is not in yet… and this same cadre has “done the math” in regard to climate science.
The whole thing reminds of something out of Tudor England, where Thomas Cromwell forced everyone in England, including Thomas More to take the Oath of Supremacy.
that was the scariest video i have ever watched
As one might expect from my name, I have long had an interest about certain history. Recently I got out my copy of “Biologists Under Hitler” by Ute Deichmann which I had read many years ago. It was a dissertation which covered the period well before, including and after WWII. It examined membership related to hiring and related academic involvement of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) and related groups including the well known SS. It was a complicated system which ultimately helped setting back German Biology for decades. It is well worth reading.
I think Twain said something like “History doesn’t repeat itself but it rhymes.”
One of their lofty goals is to clearly explain what is required to meet 1.5 or 2 degrees of warming. Firstly they would have to determine the ECS much more accurately than 1.5 to 6 degrees per CO2 doubling….Then they might find the answer on doing the economics is simply to accept the problem until the finding costs of fossil fuels are prohibitively expensive compared to nuclear, which should occur in about 125 years….
Oh, and bravo at using that picture of Justin Trudeau to headline this.
Sadly, he doesn’t need to do anything special to appear that way.
Kip Hansen provided these links some time ago:
Covering Climate Now
And their Ten best practices
This sort of thing isn’t anything new.
Re comments on what form an oath of allegiance to climate might take, I made the supreme sacrifice and dove down into the internet cesspool to find the Nicene Creed for Environmentalism. It is left to others to turn this gem into the Nicene Creed for Climate, although global warming is included near the end.
https://townhall.com/columnists/richtucker/2013/04/22/nicene-creed-for-environmentalism-n1574873
We believe in one Planet,
Mother of us all: the Earth,
fragile and endangered by pollution,
both seen and unseen.
We believe in one agency, the EPA,
the only thing standing between us and oblivion,
created by Washington to protect us,
its god-like rulings must never be questioned,
we understand its decisions are
begotten, not made.
EPA is of one with the Father, the federal government.
Through it all things were made,
for us and for our salvation.
EPA hands down judgments as if from heaven:
It was given power by Richard Nixon,
has grown inexorably,
and now has the ability to make men bend to its will.
EPA was crucified under George W. Bush;
it suffered greatly but soldiered on.
And now has arisen again to write new regulations
which must be treated as Scripture;
Under Barack Obama, EPA has ascended to new heights
and is seated at the right hand of the Father, the federal government.
It will never cease attempting to judge people and companies, whether living or dead,
and its kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Planet, the Earth, the giver of life,
which may soon be completely destroyed by man-caused global warming.
Through the Father, the federal government, and the Son, the EPA,
Earth is worshiped and glorified.
It has spoken through the Prophet, Rachel Carson.
We believe in climate change, regardless of what the evidence may show.
We acknowledge that humans are the source of all environmental sins.
We look for redemption through recycling,
and look forward to a completely regulated life to come.
Amen.
Jeezus, what a load of shit!
I thought it was a pretty good parody, myself.
This is despicable.
I don’t truck with the climate change narrative, but these are credentialed academics. Slagging them off with joke articles and comments is no better than them producing sh!t like Michael Mann’s hockey stick and claiming it’s troooo.
FFS, get you game together. You either debate the science or not. If you don’t want to debate the science and engage in pathetic games, then jog on.
I have supported this site for years but, honestly, this is the pits.
What is untrue about the quoted email and linked site? This was sent to me by an academic who was disgusted by it. We didn’t make this up.
Where did I say there was anything untrue? I didn’t.
My objection is to making a joke out of something which is rooted in science. It might be bad science but all science is potentially bad, even the science sceptics believe in.
My point is that taking the p!ss out of credentialed scientists does our cause no good whatsoever.
I’m all for having a laugh but when the same methods of ridicule are directed at climate sceptical scientists, this site goes into meltdown.
Unfortunately, HotScot, that article is not a joke.
And your comment calling it one underlines why it was EXACTLY the sort of article WUWT should publish.
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Yes, while dignifying all the Climate Clowns’ nonsense with a response is not wise, one must occasionally shine a light on those crooks to expose them for what they are: SCAMMERS.
“….that article is not a joke.”
No it’s not, so why ridicule a position held by credible scientists. They may be wrong but equally, so might we.
Please point out the “credible scientists” advocating this nonsense. No one advocating AGW is a “credible scientist”, by definition.
Forgot the /sarc suffix again HotScot?
When I’m sarcastic, I don’t need a sarc tag, you’ll know.
HotScot, you seem to assume CliSciFi practitioners will debate the science. You seem to assume that politicians, bureaucrats, activists, NGOs, profiteers, media & etc. want to hear reasoned scientific debate. All of the individuals and institutions benefiting from CliSciFi fearmongering have shown us that they do not want to listen to, much less debate the merits of their meal ticket.
I have no solution their intransigence. My only hope is voters will recognize the huge costs in both money and lifestyle changes and vote for their freedom from the planned socialist utopia.
“they do not want to listen to, much less debate the merits of their meal ticket”
and the proof is that oath
Where did I suggest they’ll debate “the science”?
Damn, we condemn them for using that term, but you just can’t stop yourself from using it.
There’s the joke.
HotScot, when I use the term ‘the science’ I mean the actual science. I don’t mean the pseudo science of “The Science” used to justify fundamentally changing our society, economy and energy systems along Marxist lines and to shut down reasoned debate by the profiteers in CliSciFi. “The Science” is meant as ridicule of the lies spouted by Western governments, the UN, Leftist NGOs, activists and CliSciFi profiteers of all stripes. I’m sorry for any misunderstanding.
HotScot, don’t you remember typing: “FFS, get you game together. You either debate the science or not. If you don’t want to debate the science and engage in pathetic games, then jog on.”
One cannot have a one-sided debate; one needs someone on the other side to have a debate. What were you suggesting if not that?
I believe you take yourself too seriously HotScot and have lost track of the fact that ridicule is possibly the best antidote to pompous religiosity (climate science) known to man. You seem to be unfamiliar with the original goals of this blog.
And what happens when a climate sceptical scientist is ridiculed by the mainstream?
Everyone on this site goes apoplectic.
I don’t remember that happening. On the rare occasion that might happen, it seems to me the usual reaction here is peeing ourselves laughing at the irony. “Climate change” politics is dominated by the Left and their “science” is dominated by fools. The Left lacks a sense of humour … and fools lack sense.
HotScat,
You can’t debate the science if the issue is not related to science. In this case, asking people to sign an oath that has no SPECIFIC science content is just a dishonest tactic, not science. It IS fair game to mock dishonest tactics taken by alarmists.
How unbelievably grown up and scientific of you, not to mention puerile. Deliberately Misspell HotScot to demonstrate just what a m0r0n you are.
For as long as I have been on this site the cry has been for the climate faithful to lead the way instead of signalling their virtue.
What does this letter say (as daft as I agree the letter is):
“In order to show leadership, signatories pledge to take action to reduce their own emissions and to lobby their professional associations to align themselves to pathways compliant with the Paris 1.5°C pathway.”
At least there is a degree of honesty that we can all applaud. But even that’s not good enough for you.
How old are you, and should you be using mummy’s computer?
The paper and its authors are being ridiculed because the “Paris 1.5 C pathway” is not based in science. It is a crazy, unsupported number activists came up with by speculating as to the impacts of a 1.5 C increase over the temperatures of the Little Ice Age. It ignores work done by Nobel Lauriat William Nordhaus that shows increases in temperatures of less than about 3.5 C will have net benefits to the world.
The authors of the letter are urging professionals to act upon and lobby for unscientific political goals and for a command economy. The 1.5 C pathway is a Marxist takeover of freemarket economies as described by the UN leaders themselves. Christ! You’ve even got the Pope advocating for the demise of capitalism.
Chill out, HotScot.
Tony Heller invited Mickey Mann to debate “the science”. Mickey begged off.
Did I say anywhere, anything to do with debating science?
No.
“FFS, get you game together. You either debate the science or not. If you don’t want to debate the science and engage in pathetic games, then jog on.”