Woke companies must wake up on ESG

Prevailing ‘ethics’ models ignore vital energy, environmental, labor and human rights issues

Paul Driessen                                                                     

Growing numbers of companies, banks, universities and investment houses are adopting Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) standards and disclosure rules. They’re pressured to do so by activists, legislators and regulators. Many expect to get rich via taxpayer-subsidized “renewable” energy projects.

Nearly all hope to “greenwash” their reputations, by claiming they’ll “make the world a better place,” by reducing fossil fuel emissions, and thus planetary temperatures and extreme weather events.

They recently got a boost from the US House of Representatives. It voted 215-214 party-line to pass a bill supporting Securities and Exchange Commission plans to impose new ESG rules requiring publicly traded companies to disclose “climate risks” allegedly caused by oil, gas and coal production and use. Some think the SEC might now give greater scrutiny to ESG climate claims and misconduct, but that seems unlikely.

Regardless, woke organizations need to wake up to climate, renewable energy and ESG realities.

The ever-more-hysterical climate and weather claims have been roundly debunked by Dr. Roy Spencer, Gregory Wrightstone, Marc Morano, Steven Koonin and others. But what’s truly outrageous about ESG is the way it studiously ignores the massive, widespread damage inflicted by pseudo-renewable energy.

Wind and sunlight certainly are clean, renewable and sustainable. But harnessing their highly dispersed, unpredictable, weather-dependent energyto meet humanity’s huge and growing energy needs absolutely is not. That requires lands and raw materials that are anything but renewable – using fuels and processes that are absolutely not clean, green, ecological or sustainable. Because they fail to recognize this, ESG programs are dishonest, even fraudulent – and must be reformed, investigated or scrapped.

Wind, solar and battery land and raw material requirements are astronomical. Onshore wind turbines require nine times more metals and minerals per megawatt than a modern combined-cycle gas power plant. One onshore 3-MW turbine foundation needs 600 cubic yards (1,500 tons) of concrete, plus rebar.

Offshore wind requires 14 times more materials per MW. Just the 2,100 850-foot-tall offshore turbines (30,000 megawatts) that President Biden wants to install by 2030 would require 110,000 tons of copper, plus millions of tons of steel, aluminum, fiberglass, cobalt, rare earth metals and other materials.

At an average of 0.44% copper in ore deposits worldwide, the copper alone would require mining and processing 25 million tons of ore, after removing 40 million tons of overburden to reach the ore bodies!

Add in materials for solar panels, more onshore and offshore wind turbines, backup battery systems, electric vehicles, transmission lines, and all-electric home heating and cooking systems – to run the entire USA, Europe and world – and the “green energy transformation” would require hundreds of billions of tons of metals, minerals and plastics, trillions of tons of ores, trillions of tons of overburden, and thousands of mines, processing plants and factories. Nearly all these operations employ fossil fuels.

America’s laws and attitudes make mining in the United States nearly impossible, even to support ESG-certified “green” energy facilities. That means most mining and processing will be done in Africa, Asia and Latin America, increasingly by Chinese companies. The manufacturing is done increasingly in China, which is why that country is building more coal-fired power plants every month.

Pseudo-clean-energy activities utilize hazardous chemicals and release toxic pollutants. They require vast volumes of water, often in the world’s most water-deprived regions. They cause acid mine drainage, create mountains of waste rock, and often result in vast “lakes” of toxic chemicals from refining the ores. Most are conducted under almost nonexistent pollution control, mined-land reclamation, endangered species, workplace safety, child and slave labor, and fair wage rules.

Cobalt mining already involves 40,000 African children, as young as four! Many Chinese solar panels are made with Uighur forced labor. ESG “green” aspirations would multiply this slavery many times over.

These travesties occur overseas – out of sight and out of mind – letting ESG activists and profiteers make incessant false claims that fossil fuel replacement energy is clean and virtuous. But when wind, solar and battery facilities are installed, adverse consequences will reverberate across the United States.

Hundreds of millions of acres of scenic, wildlife habitat and coastal areas would be impacted; millions of birds, bats, tortoises and other wildlife displaced, maimed and killed. And when their short productive lives are finished, billions of turbine blades, solar panels and batteries will be sent to gigantic landfills, because they cannot be recycled; their toxic metals and chemicals could leach out into soils, streams and groundwater. The same will happen in Europe, Canada, Australia and elsewhere.

Even on windy days, Mr. Biden’s 2,100 monstrous offshore turbines won’t meet New York State peak summertime electricity needs. Meeting just US coastal city needs would require tens of thousands of turbines. Dredge-and-fill operations associated with installing them would smother mollusks and other benthic species. Vibration noises would harm whale and porpoise navigation and communication. Their mere presence would create major safety issues for aircraft and fishing, naval and commercial vessels.

A single industrial solar facility near Fredericksburg, Virginia required clearcutting thousands of acres of forest habitat. Dominion Energy is planning solar facilities on Virginia acreage totaling one-fourth of Delaware. Solar installations proposed for the American Southwest would blanket millions of acres of desert habitats. Wind and solar operations would threaten or eradicate dozens of bird and other species that environmentalists have utilized for decades to stop drilling, fracking and pipeline projects.

Connecting far-flung wind, solar and battery installations to industrial centers and urban areas would require thousands of miles of new transmission lines – and still more steel, copper and concrete. Battery fires have already destroyed electric vehicles and homes. Imagine huge warehouses filled with thousands of battery modules erupting into enormous, uncontrollable conflagrations.

Biodiesel projects have already destroyed important orangutan habitats, and thousands of acres of US hardwood forest habitats have been turned into wood pellets for Britain’s Drax Power Plant.

Threatened, endangered, migratory and marine species must be protected – wherever mining, processing and manufacturing take place, and wherever “renewable” energy installations are contemplated. Human health impacts from infrasound and light flicker must guide decisions on how close to homes and businesses wind turbines may be installed.

Reformed ESG rules – call them Environment and Human Rights (EHR) principles – must require that all these issues are addressed for every wind, solar, battery, transmission and biofuel proposal.

People must know in advance how many turbines, panels, batteries and power lines are contemplated; how many tons of metals, minerals, concrete and plastics they will require; where those materials will come from; under what environmental, pollution, safety, wage and child labor standards. Companies and government agencies must certify that supply chains are free from child or slave labor.

Project-specific, comprehensive and cumulative US and global environmental studies must be conducted before any projects are approved, and must include regular, independent reviews of bird, bat, reptile, whale, porpoise and other wildlife displacements, injuries and deaths. Project studies must fully assess all environmental, human health, human rights and other impacts worldwide, and must not be fast-tracked.

These reality-based EHR principles will help ensure that any “green future” is founded on ethical standards that address all human and ecological consequences, and actually do make the world a better place. They can also help guide SEC investigations and prosecutions for ESG misconduct and fraud – and help spur much-needed mining in the United States, to reduce our reliance on China, Russia, Taliban Afghanistan and other adversarial countries for critical and strategic minerals.

Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of books and articles on energy, environment, health and human rights issues.

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Tom Halla
September 6, 2021 6:11 am

They should be called Virtue Signaling Standards.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 6, 2021 6:47 am

Virtue Signaling puts a positive connotation on ineffective, usually do nothing, sometimes self promoting policies. Unvirtuous coverups are arguably worse, for instance, the abandonment of citizens and allies and covering up their present capture as hostages.

In either case, the deception is disgusting.

beng135
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 6, 2021 8:06 am

VirTUe Signaling StandaRDS

TURDS

Rick C
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 6, 2021 8:48 am

I was in Trader Joe’s the other day and saw a rack of cloth grocery bags with “DOES THIS BAG MAKE MY HEART LOOK BIG?” printed on them. Apparently virtue signaling needs to be pretty blatant to be noticed.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rick C
September 6, 2021 9:04 am

Not to mention, they’re amazingly good carriers of bacteria.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Rick C
September 6, 2021 10:11 am

Which is why I call them the Toyota Pious.

JCalvertN(UK)
Reply to  Rick C
September 7, 2021 6:58 am

Which is a play on the joke about “Does my [ass] look big in this?” To which one is tempted to reply, “Well, it certainly makes you look like an ass!”

Reply to  Tom Halla
September 6, 2021 9:51 am

Virtue signalling becomes even more confusing.
Now you have to claim that global warming causes cooling.

MORE ORWELLIAN DOUBLETHINK FROM THE SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT: “EXTREME COLD NOW A RESULT OF GLOBAL WARMING”, + TEXAS 2021: THE YEAR WITHOUT 100F
September 6, 2021 Cap Allon
The MSM is proactively pumping out articles blaming the coming historically cold winter of 2021-22 on AGW.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 6, 2021 10:01 am

I received a note with a photo claiming that Dr Theresa Tam, Canada’s Chief Medical Officer, has Bell’s Palsy, caused by the “safe and effective” Covid-19 vaccines.

I cannot find a link and Google searches come up strangely empty – “no results” even when I search without “quotation marks”.

I am seeking credible confirmation, complete with photos.
Please post here if you have credible information.
Thank you.

Tom Halla
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 6, 2021 10:12 am

Yeah, but all the places with no actual ground stations will be reported “warmer”.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
September 6, 2021 10:13 am

We saw that one coming. Why else would they have used the equivocal term “climate change”? Something that explains everything explains nothing.

H.R.
Reply to  Rory Forbes
September 6, 2021 8:33 pm

They could have used ‘Gremlins’ to explain everything, but gremlins don’t have a strong association with temperature in the average person’s mind.

“Gremlins” explains everything, too.



OMG! I just realized that our own beloved, intolerable, A-1 troll, dufus extraordinaire, punching bag, paid shill regular poster, griff, could substitute ‘gremlins’ for climate change in griff’s fact-free bald assertions without changing the meaning of the comment.

(Keep that in mind, ladies and gentlemen.)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  H.R.
September 6, 2021 8:54 pm

Yeah … I grew up with that explanation. When something inexplicably went squiffy, Gremlins got the blame every time. They’re at it again, apparently.

Huh … that explains Trenberth’s missing heat. Eureka! He’ll be so pleased.

September 6, 2021 6:30 am

Degreenize now!….Zero Green by 2022! Beware the climate trolls! The problem is communists – not climate.

Rasa
Reply to  Anti-griff
September 7, 2021 2:03 am

CO2. Lets get our atmosphere from CO2 starvation level of 400ppm to a health lush agriculture friendly 1,000ppm ( about the same level as is in your living room)

James Snook
September 6, 2021 6:44 am

I was unable to buy a particular model aircraft kit this week because there is a world shortage of balsa wood caused by it, incredibly, being used in turbine blades!

fretslider
September 6, 2021 6:45 am

I have a green front door but that’s as far as it goes

Scissor
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2021 6:58 am

I have a brown stool.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Scissor
September 6, 2021 7:11 am

I have a dark grey overcoat, as opposed to a light, Mac..

fretslider
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 6, 2021 7:42 am

You are Columbo and I claim the tenner

beng135
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2021 8:09 am

Sir, there’s just one more thing…….

Rich Davis
Reply to  Scissor
September 6, 2021 11:09 am

I suppose that depends on what you eat.

H.R.
Reply to  Scissor
September 6, 2021 8:36 pm

Eat more kale, scissor.

Rasa
Reply to  Scissor
September 7, 2021 2:05 am

go to the naughty corner….😂.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2021 10:46 am

Used to be great times behind the green door!!!

n.n
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2021 11:08 am

A green and viable lawn and other vegan matter thanks to anthropogenic and naturally-sourced carbon deposits, with [unPlanned] babies playing in gay revelry among their lush leafs and blades.

Rasa
Reply to  fretslider
September 7, 2021 2:04 am

way more than necessary fret

fretslider
September 6, 2021 6:59 am

Whatever it takes to hide the dirty profit motive and appear virtuous

griff
September 6, 2021 7:25 am

The UK ALREADY has 2,000 offshore wind turbines…

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 7:39 am

You say that like it’s a good thing.

Disputin
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 7:39 am

And we’re supposed to be proud of our folly?

Ron
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 7:48 am

And in about 15 years you’ll need to replace them all.

very old white guy
Reply to  Ron
September 6, 2021 7:57 am

One thing about they can just fall into the ocean and will never be seen again.

n.n
Reply to  very old white guy
September 6, 2021 11:04 am

And form the foundation for a new reef, where life in a carbon well will flourish. Karmic irony.

MarkW
Reply to  n.n
September 6, 2021 2:10 pm

The turbines will be more useful in death, than they ever were in life.

Bill Powers
Reply to  very old white guy
September 7, 2021 9:37 am

Or it will appear that mother nature is giving the UK 2,000 middle fingers floating in a sea of dead birds

Rich Davis
Reply to  Ron
September 6, 2021 11:12 am

Seriously doubt that they will last that long, but some of them maybe.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 7:50 am

Good news for curlews and snipes, griff?

The data says not, so I’m guessing you don’t care about birds.

beng135
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:12 am

The UK ALREADY has 2,000 offshore wind turbines…

In 30 yrs they’ll all be seawater-rusted hulks.

Reply to  beng135
September 6, 2021 10:05 am

Probably even sooner!

jtom
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:24 am

As I type this, wind turbines are producing 4.36 GW in the UK, while total demand is 35.3 GW. Seems all those wind turbines don’t help much.
Perhaps you just need another 16,000.

LdB
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:29 am

It accounted for 8% of all UK electricity generated so you only have 25,000 more to build :-).

Rich Davis
Reply to  LdB
September 6, 2021 11:18 am

If that were true, there might be some sense in building them. But of course just because they were able to produce 8% of the demand at various times during the past year does not at all imply that having 1/0.08=12.5x of them will produce 100% throughout the next year. What you more likely get is 300% of demand 33% of the time and 0% of demand 20% of the time, various %s for other periods. Not exactly useful.

MarkW
Reply to  Rich Davis
September 7, 2021 6:27 am

The best places are already taken. Increasing the number by a factor of 12.5, means occupying more and more marginal locations. Which means that the number of new turbines needed will be well north of 12.5.

Rich Davis
Reply to  MarkW
September 7, 2021 11:52 am

Sure, and no matter how many they install, that won’t eliminate extended periods of calm.

There’s no currently feasible solution. Either massively over-build with long-term storage, or have intercontinental interconnections so that with a massively overbuilt infrastructure everywhere on earth, you can capture the wind or sun where it happens to be.

Neither approach is remotely feasible. (Despite griff blithely throwing it out as the easy peasy solution).

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:41 am

Currently (see what i did there?) producing 1.71GW, 4.8% of demand @ 16:40 GMT. And that’s supposed to be our saviour?

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:49 am

Effin stupid idea. Producing less than coal right now.

Joao Martins
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:56 am

“The UK ALREADY has 2,000 offshore wind turbines…”

So what, griff? Are you feeling the planet colder already? (is it just a feeling, or have you used a thermometer?)

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:27 am

And very soon people will be regretting the massive waste of money and materials, when they could have had useful, unobtrusive, power generation for far less.

TonyS
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:00 am

And every time I go to the beach at Formby those in the Liverpool estuary are doing absolutely nothing.

nickc
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:00 am

Awesome, potential artificial reefs, now that’s a positive Griff!

n.n
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:01 am

The Green… Blue Blight.

An old skeptic
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:15 am

That 2,000 along with the 6,000 or so on short with a capacity factor of about 24GW and they are now producing not quite 2 GW. Demand for electricity right now is 35GW. Now all we need are about 140,000 wind mills to fill the current demand.

An old skeptic
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:16 am

Should have mentioned that this is UK demand
.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 2:14 pm

Which together with all the onshore turbines are producing at the moment about the same amount as the remaining coal plants, and less than half what is coming from nuclear, or being imported from the Europe and N. Ireland interconnectors: See here (H/T to “vuk”).

At 7pm this evening, real time data showed Britain was getting 45.6pc of its power from gas-fired turbines, 13.5pc from nuclear power plants, 5.5pc from wind and 12.3pc from interconnectors to the continent and Northern Ireland. 5.5pc was coming from coal.

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 6:56 pm

Are they helping move the UK toward more tropical climes?

Redge
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:49 pm
mark from the midwest
September 6, 2021 7:36 am

The ESG standards are another market play, and the SEC should know this. When someone divests an over-performing company there’s always somebody else there to scoop it up.

Ron Long
September 6, 2021 7:37 am

These comments by Paul show how terrible the greatest scam ever perpetrated by “scientists” really is. You cannot tune in any of the woke tv channels without encountering diatribes against either Trump or Global Warming. When the SOB’s freeze and starve in the dark we might get some relief from this nonsense, until then, frack ’em.

n.n
September 6, 2021 7:48 am

Handmade tale. Woke and [morally] broke, thus establishment of the “ethical” religion (i.e. morality’s relativistic sibling) under color of law (i.e. their politically congruent or “=” cousin) with a Twilight faith (e.g. conflation of logical domains, often with consensus).

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Jeff Alberts
Reply to  n.n
September 6, 2021 9:07 am

Please lay off the weed.

n.n
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 6, 2021 10:58 am

Where do you disagree?. What part causes you distress?

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Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  n.n
September 6, 2021 2:56 pm

What part causes you distress?

The lack of any kind of sense or meaning, perhaps?

very old white guy
September 6, 2021 7:55 am

Not one single thing done by man will alter the climate.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  very old white guy
September 6, 2021 9:08 am

I wouldn’t go that far, but I would say any thing we do is pretty temporary.

MAL
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 6, 2021 9:39 am

I would say we change the climate locally, yet we only occupy 3% of the earth surface not much effect on the globe, but a huge effect on where we measure the temperature.

Abolition Man
September 6, 2021 7:59 am

ESG is nothing more than penance and indulgences for those guilty of sinning in the eyes of the priests of Progressivism! For the federal government to get involved they must violate the separation of church and state; just as teaching Progressive doctrine in schools should be prohibited!
Until we paint these religious fanatics as the anti-science, cult members they truly are they will be taken at their word by many. Shining a spotlight on their lack of scientific evidence and integrity must continue to be a major part of the climate reality movement! That is why WUWT is so critical; it provides the actual facts and data, while offering examples of how to refute the ignorant alarmists with their cherry picking and lies! Unlike the griffter, Loydoh and Simple Simon; many of those who believe in CAGW actually have functioning brains that can be persuaded by data and evidence presented properly; they’ve just never heard the rest of the story!
The Church of Progressivism is an anti-human cult; and, like many cults, it is nihilistic and suicidal! Without intelligent human intervention the Earth will become a largely lifeless ball over the next few millions years; as successive glacial periods lower CO2 levels below survivability for plants! The oceans may take longer to succumb; but without adequate levels of the Magic Gas of Life, all photosynthesis will cease, and the Pyramid of Life will crumble, foundationless!
It will take intelligent and caring beings to prevent this death spiral, and keep Life flourishing on Earth; something that appears to be in ever increasing short supply at present!

Juan Slayton
September 6, 2021 8:00 am

Wind and solar operations would threaten or eradicate dozens of bird and other species that environmentalists have utilized for decades to stop drilling, fracking and pipeline projects.

Perhaps this sentence should be rewritten….

griff
Reply to  Juan Slayton
September 6, 2021 9:19 am

Yes. Because it is completely untrue.

MAL
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:41 am

Tell that to the Whooping crane.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:44 am

The BBC disagrees with you, griff.

“The white-throated needletail, which breeds in Asia and winters in Australasia, was spotted on Harris.

About 30 birdwatchers travelled to the island to see the unusual visitor, which has only been recorded five times in the UK since 1950.

However, they then saw it die after colliding with the wind turbine.

Birdwatcher David Campbell, from Surrey, told the BBC Scotland news website that the incident took place late on Wednesday afternoon. Mr Campbell, who is now making his way home to south east England, said: “We just watched the whole thing with dismay.

The Rare Bird Alert, an online service that notifies users of sightings, had passed on reports of the white-throated needletail on Tuesday.

A spokesman for the service said users had told them the bird had died. In a tweet, the service said: “The white-throated needletail on Harris flew into a wind turbine and has died, pathetic way for such an amazing bird to die.”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-23082846

In the UK, the white-throated needletail has been eradicated.

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Abolition Man
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:22 am

griffter,
Do your Green Blob overlords pay you well for spouting your lies!? You bring to mind the character from LOTR; Grima, Wormtongue! You whisper in their ears to keep them from standing and grasping the Sword of Truth, but many see through you; Eowen in particular!

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 12:07 pm

griff
You forgot to mention that cats kill more birds than windmills do. Just the other day my cat dragged home three bald eagles, a red-tailed hawk and a California condor. Meanwhile I noticed a couple of sparrows over by the windmill.

Oh wait, I think I got that backwards.

Say, in which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025

Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 2:28 pm

The griffter is all depressed and out of sorts becuz the Arctic Big Freeze is starting ….growing ice until March 2022

AWG
September 6, 2021 8:13 am

People must know in advance how many turbines, panels, batteries and power lines are contemplated; how many tons of metals, minerals, concrete and plastics they will require; where those materials will come from; under what environmental, pollution, safety, wage and child labor standards.

Its akin to showing card tricks to a chicken.

You are dealing with a largely innumerate society that has a child’s understanding of the world around them, seeing political edicts and magical thinking as actual plans and solutions. Furthermore, most people see problems as a series of univariant expressions with binary results. So when there is this call to inform the public, understand that the vast majority doesn’t care to be informed and couldn’t understand, and if those impediments were overcome, wouldn’t be motivated to act unless there was an obvious immediate virtue signaling reward that could be expressed in the space of a Tweet.

markl
September 6, 2021 8:18 am

While some point out the damage done by renewables those that support it are blind to the consequences. The end justifies the means except in this case the “end” isn’t viable. When you realize all the deaths caused by Marxist ideology mismanagement of government you wonder how people are allowing it to continue. “Social Justice” is just a cover up phrase for Communism.

griff
Reply to  markl
September 6, 2021 9:18 am

I see neither damage nor consequences – and I’m looking at economies with substantially more renewables currently operating than the USA

Mr.
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:47 am

Griff one of your own socialist doom mongers – Michael Moore – recently released documentary (Planet of the Humans) that exposed the perfidy of wind & solar promoters.

If you care to view this (free on that video site), you will see for yourself the indefensibility of your dishonesty.

R. Terrell
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:49 am

Griff, even if we COULD cover the entire landmases with indmills AND solar panels, it still wouldn’t produce enoughelectricity to replace petroleum-produced electricity! And thoat isn’t even accounting for all the EV’s the Warmist’s are screaming for! But, maybe, if we could just produce enough fairy dust, THAT just might do it! You think so, Griff?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:37 am

I see neither damage nor consequences

In other words you see nothing at all. The sentence is self contradictory … and absolutely accurate. “Renewables” provide nothing of value.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:48 am

griff, you have a long habit of not seeing what you are told not to see.

Abolition Man
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2021 11:33 am

Mark,
The griffter is conclusive evidence that, while the search for Artificial Intelligence continues, Artificial Stupidity has been achieved bigly!

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 3:00 pm

I see neither damage nor consequences

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

The article explains the damage and consequences. Care to refute any of it?

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jtom
September 6, 2021 8:28 am

At the rate we are going, we will off-shore everything to China, to be ‘green’. China will build more coal plants. When climate change does occur, with or without a man-created component, China will have the assets to adjust to the new climate. We will be too impoverished.

griff
Reply to  jtom
September 6, 2021 9:17 am

you already offshored all your consumer goods to China.

MAL
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:45 am

Much to our dislike, we been sold down the road by our idiocracy. Buying more products from China solves nothing. Oh by the way were do you get your consumer good from?

R. Terrell
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:50 am

Yes, and so did the UK, and most every other nation!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:49 am

Following the British model.

Abolition Man
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:36 am

griffter,
The only ones offshoring jobs to China are the Chamber of Commerce and the corporate elites! You know; the guys YOU work for!!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  jtom
September 6, 2021 10:43 am

When climate change does occur,

Change is the default condition of “climate” (weather). It has never stopped changing. It is well buffered from minor variables (like man’s influence) except very locally. This planet has no single climate and thinking of many climates in the aggregate is idiotic.

September 6, 2021 8:29 am

The IPCC and climate science have not been able to narrow the bounds for ECS in spite of 30+ years and $ hundreds of billions.

All the doom and gloom stories on climate change rely on ECS. Yet it is unproven.

WUWT is itself at risk of greenwash by accepting the lukewarm position that AGW is real without proof.

Where are the alternate theories to AGW? Why doesn’t WUWT allow them to be discussed?

The failure to narrow ECS, the lack of hotspot, these are indications AGW is beautiful theory but wrong.

It does no good to poke the lion while ignoring the heart.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Ferdberple
September 6, 2021 9:23 am

Where are the alternate theories to AGW?

It’s Nature wut dun it…

Mr.
Reply to  Gregory Woods
September 6, 2021 9:51 am

Yes, the hypothesis for AGW could be summarized as –
“everything old is new again”.

Or not.

n.n
Reply to  Mr.
September 6, 2021 10:55 am

Progress or [unqualified] monotonic change.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Ferdberple
September 6, 2021 10:50 am

Where are the alternate theories to AGW? Why doesn’t WUWT allow them to be discussed?

What “them” are you referring to? It is discussed here every day in one form or another. AGW isn’t even a theory. It’s worthless conjecture trying to become an hypothesis. The “alternative” is the ‘Null Hypothesis’.

Peta of Newark
September 6, 2021 8:38 am

Quote:”Many expect to get rich via taxpayer-subsidized “renewable” energy projects

And yes they will. They are handing over responsibility for the feasibility, design, manufacture and quality control for (all) their products and services.
Because Governments and Civil Services are, pretty well by definition, utterly devoid of people with scientific, technical and manufacturing knowledge & experience

The result will be that consumers are mandated into buying over-priced junk, chock full of expensive & hard-to-get materials and lacking in quality & reliability.

The manufacturers and their suppliers will absolutely lap it up. Manna From Heaven

This was exactly the reason a few years ago that Neodymium went up in price by 2000%
A Windmill Maker (Enercon) realised they could make more money by using permanent magnets made of Neo in their windmills, instead of much much cheaper Ferrite.
And why not, Government was mandating the purchase of windmills
Thus Enercon could charge what they liked and because of technical ignorance inside of Government, could make up any old tale about why Neodymium was essential for Saving The World and thereafter ramp up the price of windmills.
Except that THE major supplier of Neodymium (China) thought they should have a slice-of-the-action. And they did.
One Very Phat 2000% Slice – hence why you don’t see many Neodymium windmills (not in the UK anyway

Its just the same with diesel powered cars and trucks.
They’re all now mandated to have to have their engines strangled with anti-pollution tackle which:

  • wrecks their fuel consumption figures (= more tax revenue)
  • makes them unreliable – EGRs and DPFs are now notorious for causing trouble & huuuuge expense
  • fixing and repairing those things means consumers spending money they otherwise wouldn’t – and every time they flash the cash, The Exchequer takes 16.66% (UK VAT at 20%) of what the consumer is forced into paying

It is The Broken Window Fallacy, mandated into Legal Law – who can blame the suppliers and repairers of said windows for cashing in?

The Turkeys really are voting for Christmas and at the rate things are headed, the Chinese will be celebrating Christmas every day of the year before long

Similar to how Joe Biden has handed Christmas to the Arabs for their oil and Boris to the Russians for their natural gas

griff
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 6, 2021 9:17 am

The Chinese can beat the US by building fossil fuel power at home and abroad…

The Chinese can beat the US by building solar panels etc at home and abroad…

MAL
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:47 am

Why is that, it because the don’t have many pollution mandates and use fossil fuels to produce them.

R. Terrell
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:53 am

Meanwhile, all the pollution THEY create is destroying the health of everyone else on the planet. Score 1 for CCP, right?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:51 am

The Chinese ARE building fossil fuel, especially coal, as fast as they can.
The Chinese TELL the useful idiots that they are going to someday start building solar panels.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:54 am

You’ve just made our point for us. By off loading all the supposed environmental damage to China, you pathological “greens” are proving your hypocrisy (and utter ignorance in your case). It also proves this thing was always about redistribution of wealth, as the IPCC stated.

n.n
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 6, 2021 10:54 am

A pot of social/political and economic gold at the end of the proverbial rainbow.

fretslider
September 6, 2021 8:40 am

Woke companies, woke celebrities, woke media, woke bureaucracy, judiciary, police etc

Everything has critical theories of this, that and the other underpinning it. Whether it’s admitted or not.

Three of Australia’s biggest sports stars have joined more than 350 other athletes in a new climate campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/01/every-one-of-us-should-care-about-the-climate-crisis-together-we-can-make-a-big-difference

Like all the Guardian’s propaganda, it is replete with ‘bellyfeel’ and net zero on facts: 

I grew up in Africa, surrounded by nature.

Water was my safe place and I absolutely loved it. But we haven’t been very good at looking after it. Our oceans, waterways, our climate, our planet. The future looks bleak and the progress is too slow.

We should all care about emissions, and not just because of the planet. We’re not just fighting for nature, we’re fighting for our way of life. Climate change will impact every aspect of how we live, including how we play sport.

Good to know how she feels, eh.

If only she realised she’s actually fighting to overthrow and destroy our way of life. Still, it does support the general rule that sports people are usually a little less than bright.

griff
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2021 9:15 am

Because your way of life is necessarily better why?

MAL
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:52 am

Because the most part I can afford to do what I want to do. I don’t need some bureaucrat to tell me what bus I need to ride on and how large of a home I can have. I don’t have to wait on the corner waiting for that mythical public transportation. What really piss me off is people like you support pass laws that pick my pocket with no environmental gain. Today the Idiocracy rules and you seem happy with that. The “west” is killing itself and you are helping it happen.

Mr.
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:59 am

Griff you could answer this question by answering the one you have been asked here many many times –
“when would you rather live:
1750 when CO2 was a ‘safe’ 280ppm, (and life was brutal)
or
now”

fretslider
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:23 am

“Because your way of life is necessarily better why?”

Do you never tire of creating straw men?

So utterly obvious.

Still, it does support the general rule that Guardian readers are usually a little less than bright.

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MarkW
Reply to  fretslider
September 6, 2021 10:53 am

If griff didn’t build strawmen then he would either have to stop posting, or start answering the questions being asked of him. He can’t afford to do either.

Abolition Man
Reply to  MarkW
September 6, 2021 11:27 am

Mark,
He can probably afford it; he’s just not capable of rational, cogent thinking on his own. He let’s others do his thinking for him!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:57 am

Our way of life is the way of life you’re enjoying right now. Stop being a child and a hypocrite. Grow up. You’re trying to destroy the best way of life humans have ever experienced.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:21 pm

Yes it is. The White European way of life is the only legitimate one. The scum of all the planet knows that better than you as they come to us in endless throngs as “refugees” because their own people are too retarded to provide what Europe routinely achieves.

Ossqss
September 6, 2021 9:09 am

How many wind turbines and solar panels will it take to change this energy supply graphic to completely remove fossil fuels? If we cover half of the planet with them, will that not cause the climate to change? Can we even build wind or solar products with only renewable energy? Just sayin,,,,,

Data & Statistics – IEA

griff
Reply to  Ossqss
September 6, 2021 9:15 am

If you cover the rooftops and parking lots and otherwise useless desert with solar panels and put up some large offshore wind turbines, you’d probably cover it…

come back when you’ve done the math.

MAL
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 9:57 am

The math say it in will never work the math been done and it seem you can’t or will not accept the results. Deserts are not useless, I know I live in one. It has a complex ecosystem. Walk in one once you might learn something. Also most of Arizona desert in inaccessible the ground is to rough to do the kind of project you envision.

MarkW
Reply to  MAL
September 6, 2021 11:10 am

You actually expect griff to leave his mom’s basement?

Mr.
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:07 am

The math has been done many times Griff.
But innumerate numpties like you can’t (or more correctly “won’t”) grasp them.

Because they blow the whole “renewables as grid scale baseload” proposition totally out of the water.

Face it Griff – you’re a denialist.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Mr.
September 6, 2021 11:29 am

Mr.,
If the griffter keeps swimming in denial, he’s likely to get et by a crocodile!

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Abolition Man
September 6, 2021 3:07 pm

If the griffter keeps swimming in denial, he’s likely to get et by a crocodile!

I don’t think crocs live in Egypt. Perhaps a hippopotamus is more likely?

Mr.
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 6, 2021 4:18 pm

Freshies in the southern Nile.

MarkW
Reply to  Mr.
September 7, 2021 6:31 am

There are crocodiles in the Nile even in Egypt. They were worshipped by the ancient Egyptians.

https://www.thoughtco.com/sobek-crocodile-god-of-ancient-egypt-118135

PCman999
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 10:46 am

Where will you get all the raw materials required? How will you pay for it? How much difference will it make to the temperature a hundred years from now?

Come back when you’re done the math.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:01 am

otherwise useless desert

Who are you to declare that deserts are useless, you arrogant prick? You don’t even think about the consequences of your own nonsense.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:09 am

It really is amazing how delusional griff can be. First off, if we did everything he recommends, it would still generate less than 10% of the needed energy, and that would be while the wind was blowing and the sun was shinning. For the vast majority of the time, it would be substantially less.

BTW, I just love how he declares deserts to be useless. Don’t let the greens hear him say that, he’ll be hounded from the club.

fretslider
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:10 am

otherwise useless desert”

Ah, so you are new to the idea of Desert ecology. Do think any other biomes might otherwise be useless?

You could put all your windmills on Antarctica with that logic.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 11:29 am

“…otherwise useless desert….”

Desert areas are not useless! They provide valuable habitat for a multitude of plants and animals, you heartless slut!

THOMAS ENGLERT
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 12:05 pm

The math says it’s impossible. The math says destroying our forests and oceans with “renewables” will not change global temps.

There are no useless deserts in the USA.

Lrp
Reply to  THOMAS ENGLERT
September 6, 2021 2:02 pm

You guys are trying to talk sense with an idiot.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 2:26 pm

Griff: that’s a rather odd demand to make; I don’t recall you ever posting any math results you’ve done.

AlexBerlin
Reply to  griff
September 6, 2021 8:22 pm

Let me tell you about something more useless than deserts: Ice caps on the poles of this planet. We should work a lot harder to get rid of them!

n.n
Reply to  Ossqss
September 6, 2021 10:49 am

The Green blight is a first-order forcing of climate change and ecological disruption, corruption, and excess deaths. That said, unfortunately, intermittent energy has a politically congruent em-pathetic appeal with promises of renewable profits.

MarkW2
September 6, 2021 10:01 am

The truth is that most UK consumers don’t really care about ESG. Forget all the surveys and market research done on climate change, which can largely be taken with a pinch of salt for reasons covered previously on here.

If you want to see how bothered UK consumers really are then just take a look at Google searches — just now UK searches for ‘holidays’ were 30 times greater than for climate change or sustainability. On top of that the trend for searches on holidays is still growing strongly while for climate change it’s pretty flat.

The disconnect between companies and consumers on this is huge.

Bruce Cobb
September 6, 2021 10:05 am

While they are at it, why not force companies to “disclose” their “risks” to zombies, space aliens, and evil spirits? How about risks from earthquakes, pandemics, fires, floods, and angry mobs? How about risks from terrorists, including enviro-terrorists like ER? I mean, the sky’s the limit, right? Risk is risk.

michael hart
September 6, 2021 10:57 am

A major UK supermarket chain (Sainsburys) has also signed up to the impossible ‘green’ objectives.

I can’t actually remember what it was before, something pathetic like “We promise x% by year 20×0”.

Now they are changing it slightly using words like “net” and “in internal operations”. It’s a sign that reality is beginning to bite somewhere. Like the laws of thermodynamics, you can run from some realities, but you cannot hide.

DocSiders
September 6, 2021 11:19 am

Meanwhile…we have ~1000 year’s worth of world’s energy fuel requirements already mined and just sitting around in the form of Thorium ores.

A person’s entire lifetime of energy use (electricity, heating, transportation…everything) is contained in a sphere of Thorium metal less than 1″ in diameter. Current price would be around $20 for a lifetime of fuel.

That obviously attractive path towards safe and abundant nuclear fuel “Went South” as they say when Richard Nixon defunded the Oak Ridge Thorium project in favor of the Light Water Reactor Group at Livermore in his home State of California.

Big Oil and the Railroads, and the Coal Industry finished off that amazing path to “riches for all” by formulating and financing a very successful Anti-Nuclear campaign…which is alive and well to this day.

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AndyHce
September 6, 2021 1:42 pm

How many people who might be heard in the public domain, especially prominent business people, would have dared to speak out in any way against the Spanish inquisition? They almost universally stumbled over each other is their frenzy to be seen supporting church officials rather than coming under scrutiny by same. Today and “climate change” is no different.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
September 6, 2021 4:47 pm

But has that bill passed the Senate?

Redge
September 6, 2021 11:43 pm

Securities and Exchange Commission plans to impose new ESG rules requiring publicly traded companies to disclose “climate risks” allegedly caused by oil, gas and coal production and use.

That’s easy – “None”

Now let’s see them impose new ESG rules requiring companies to disclose all risks caused by Green policies.

Rasa
September 7, 2021 1:56 am

Well said. BTW if a CEO of mine wanted to implement ESG I would promptly write him a glowing reference and point him towards my most difficult competitor.
I would be foolish to miss an opportunity to hobble the business of my major competitor.

JCalvertN(UK)
September 7, 2021 6:50 am

I’m most suspicious about the “G” for Governance in ESG. What the h*** do they mean by it?

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