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British Labour MP Ed Miliband Demands Real Climate Action

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Ed Miliband, who served an unremarkable two years as secretary of state for energy and climate change under Prime Minister Gordon Brown, has just demanded real climate action.

Our biggest enemy is no longer climate denial but climate delay

Ed Miliband
Sat 31 Jul 2021 01.30 AEST

Nothing is more dangerous than the illusion of action – which is all that the British government is offering

Future generations will look back on the climate events of 2021 and say: “That was the year they ran out of excuses.”

Heatwaves and flooding here in the UK, temperatures topping 50C in Pakistan, hundreds killed by a heatwave in British Columbia, deadly floods in Germany and China. All within a single month. Add to that the recent dire warning from the Met Office that the age of extreme weather has just begun.

The wake-up call that this offers is not just the obvious one: that climate breakdown is already here. It also illustrates that we, in this generation, are in a unique position in the history of this crisis. Climate breakdown can no longer be plausibly denied as a threat etched only in the future. And all too soon, avoiding it may be a luxury lost to the past. The window to avoid catastrophe is closing with every passing day. We’re in the decisive decade in this fight, and we must treat the climate crisis as an issue that stands alone in the combination of its urgency and the shadow it casts over future generations.

The accompanying truth is that our biggest enemy is no longer climate denial but climate delay. The most dangerous opponents of change are no longer the shrinking minority who deny the need for action, but the supposed supporters of change who refuse to act at the pace the science demands. As Bill McKibben, environmentalist and climate scholar, says on climate: “Winning slowly is the same as losing.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/30/climate-denial-delay-inaction-british-government

If you look at a graph of UK CO2 emissions, it looks like UK has successfully decoupled CO2 emissions from GDP growth. But this is an illusion.

The reality is, emissions from inside the UK are only half the story. According to the Britain’s own Government Office of National Statistics, Britain is not reducing emissions, they are outsourcing emissions to other countries. The CO2 emissions required to power the UK economy still occur, they just largely occur in other places.

Britain now G7’s biggest net importer of CO2 emissions per capita, says ONS

Fall in UK-produced emissions has been offset by those from increase in imported products

Richard Partington
Economics correspondent @RJPartington
Tue 22 Oct 2019 02.27 AEDT

Britain has contributed to the global climate emergency by outsourcing its carbon emissions to developing nations, according to official figures, despite managing to weaken the domestic link between fossil fuels and economic growth.

The Office for National Statistics said the UK had become the biggest net importer of carbon dioxide emissions per capita in the G7 group of wealthy nations – outstripping the US and Japan – as a result of buying goods manufactured abroad.

The ONS warned that Britain had increased its net imports of CO2 emissions per capita from 1.7 tonnes in 1992 to 5.1 tonnes in 2007, offsetting domestic progress on shifting the UK economy away from fossil fuels.

According to the ONS study, China was the biggest single source of Britain’s imported emissions, as the UK ramped up purchases of goods such as mobile phones made in the Asian country, where labour costs are lower and pollution regulations less stringent. The second biggest contributor to imported emissions was the EU, followed by the US.

The ONS warned that environmental damage could not be stopped by nation’s simply relocating the production of goods from advanced to developing nations.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/21/britain-is-g7s-biggest-net-importer-of-co2-emissions-per-capita-says-ons

Sorry Ed, but your call to action seems just as fake and lightweight as all the others.

Until Britain addresses their gross CO2 emissions outsourcing hypocrisy, by freezing imports from high carbon economies, until Britain makes a genuine attempt to onshore and power energy intensive manufacturing from their own renewable energy fleet, nobody should take Britain’s noisy two faced holier than thou climate grandstanding seriously.

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July 30, 2021 10:12 pm

It seems that politicians just can’t resist pushing bogus claims for a doomsday message.

They can’t do anything worthwhile because there is no money and power in it, they are in the government to serve themselves and their mostly hidden clients, that is where the money is and the voters help people like Miliband get it at loss to themselves.

Personally that is a poor way to live.

Vuk
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 31, 2021 2:20 am

Ignore it, he is ‘has been’ and is next to nobody.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Vuk
July 31, 2021 7:57 am

There is a job waiting for him in Wash. DC.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Vuk
August 1, 2021 12:21 am

Miliband is a Never Was.

Richard Page
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 31, 2021 7:33 am

Ed Miliband already has blood on his hands for pushing the disastrous ‘Climate Change Act 2008’ down our throats – an act compiled and written by activists within his office but which he claims ‘credit’ (blame) for. I’m guessing he’s realised he can’t be hung twice so is going all out to cause as much destruction and carnage as he can. There are idiots and useful idiots – this man is a dangerous idiot.

Saighdear
Reply to  Richard Page
July 31, 2021 12:02 pm

INdeed, if only we could use this little Turbot as Real Bait for a much bigger one.

July 30, 2021 10:20 pm

“McKibben, environmentalist and climate scholar”

Bill McKibben is a climate scholar???

Rod Evans
Reply to  Chaamjamal
July 31, 2021 12:35 am

If you are Ed Miliband everyone looks like a scholar.

Ariadaeus
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 31, 2021 1:35 am

When campaigning to be the UK PM in the 2015 election he was asked by one journalist, ”Do you think you will win?”
”Yes.”
”Why do you think that?”
”Because of my intellect.”
Miliband is a deluded moron and most folk in the UK know it.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Ariadaeus
July 31, 2021 5:21 am

Oxymoron father = Ralph Miliband = “a Marxist intellectual”.

The Millipedes were some of the most embarrassing people ever to be in Westminster.

Guardian writes:-
“David and Ed Miliband are two of the most talented Labour politicians of their generation”
So if they wrote that, it must be right!

ResourceGuy
Reply to  pigs_in_space
August 3, 2021 10:11 am

How much did that cost?

IanE
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 31, 2021 8:34 am

Except the actual scholars, of course!

Eve Stevens
July 30, 2021 10:44 pm

I demand action. I want my carbon tax money back. The furnace has been on every month this year and I know I will need the heat in August. I need that carbon tax money back so I can pay for my heat. Sorry, I was sending this to Justin Trudeau. I figure about 5 thousand now, Heat, electricity, gasoline, food and everything you buy.

chris moffatt
Reply to  Eve Stevens
July 31, 2021 5:37 am

Here in rural eastern Virginia we had to run the furnace starting in October. This was a first w never used it until mid-november before this. We needed it until mid-May and even used it one time in early June. Previous years we would shut it off in late March or first week of April at the latest. Over the years our growing season has become much shorter at both ends, by about three weeks.

There is an upside though; thanks to all this global warming we’re spending quite a bit less on summer air-conditioning. Temperatures these days rarely exceed low nineties with an occasional excursion above one hundred. .Years ago we would ‘enjoy’ temps in the upper nineties and over one hundred for weeks at a time.

Off course one might say all this is anecdotal, just the ramblings of an old country bumpkin whose memory is unreliable at best – but there’s nothing anecdotal about our heating and cooling bills.

July 30, 2021 10:54 pm

If Ed Miliband is demanding ‘Real Climate Action’, then he could volunteer to be hit by lightning. That would be ‘Real Climate Action’ not just greenwashing.

Richard Page
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
July 31, 2021 7:37 am

Right – I’ll get a long lightning rod to attach to his head and a few buckets of water, then we just need to coordinate with a good thunderstorm!

Crowcatcher
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
August 1, 2021 3:57 am

Yes, I’m wondering what steps he’s going to take to make his “carbon footprint” a true zero – the biggest ever fool in a Labour government!!!!

Doonman
July 30, 2021 11:05 pm

There is a conspiracy among the US and the UK leftist politicians to attribute recent weather events as climate change. Climate is 30 years of weather. No politician gets to change the definition.

No politician ever talks about what the weather was in 1991 or why it was supposedly different in 1961 or 2021. They also never ever talk about El Nino, La Nina, ENSO or volcanoes, all integral parts of climate.

That’s how you can tell they are lying to you. They all say and don’t say the same thing at the same time.

saveenergy
Reply to  Doonman
July 31, 2021 12:05 am

“No politician gets to change the definition.”

No, politicians DO get to change definitions, on a daily basis & society lets them get away with it ( shame on us )

griff
Reply to  Doonman
July 31, 2021 1:13 am

The Met Office report just published looked at the last 30 years in comparison to the previous 30 years and concluded, for example, the UK is 6% wetter on average in the recent period, due to climate change.

That 6% average being far from evenly distributed accounts for the huge increase in flooding and record flooding in the last 20 years in the UK.

Rusty
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 1:39 am

UK population has increased massively in the last 30 years which has led to even more land being concreted over to house them and provide other infrastructure. Building on flood plains is rife. The water has to go somewhere.

Greg
Reply to  Rusty
July 31, 2021 3:07 am

… and ecologists’ campaigns preventing local authorities from dredging rivers and waterways supposedly to save “unique” aquatic snails without considering the consequences of thier actions. ( Yet again ).

Just like they blocked controlled burning Victoria and NSW for years before massive bush fires which destroyed home and killed many people as well as the bits they wanted to “protect” in the first place.

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Greg
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 3:04 am

You said the Met Office claimed it was 6% wetter , then YOU claim “a huge increased flooding”. Did the M.O. show a huge increase in flooding and you forgot to mention it or did you just make that up yourself?

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:09 am

A whole 6% increase you say?
Oh my word! Quick, Deirdre, get me my galoshes!

Vuk
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:22 am

Hi Griffo
I say rubbish, The most reliable record comes from the Oxford University’s Radcliffe observatory weather station, It shows that in the last 170 years has been
NOT 6% but 0.06% more rain (statistically insignificant change) increase/century

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DHR
Reply to  Vuk
July 31, 2021 6:13 am

Broken into 30 year intervals it appears that Vuk’s chart shows the last 30 years of UK rainfall (1990-2020) is greater than the previous 30 years (1960-1990.) But the Met Office has invented another “nature trick” by divvying up the data into intervals which meet their apparent goal – to show an increase. Make the intervals 40 years and you get a different answer. This is the same trick recently performed by the US National Interagency Fire Center with US wildfire data where reports prior to 1983 have simply been deleted. The “new” 1983-on chart shows increasing fires. All the original data shows vastly greater wildfire losses during the first half of the 20th century than in recent decades. It seems that neither UK nor US citizens can no longer trust their taxpayer-funded climate and weather “experts.”

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  DHR
July 31, 2021 7:16 am

US National Interagency Fire Center with US wildfire data where reports prior to 1983 have simply been deleted

That’s an outrage and the height of dishonesty. Thanks for making me aware of the scam. Do you have a link that I can peruse?

DHR
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 11:35 am

Check Tony Hellers site at https://realclimatescience.com/ He has article(s) and graphs on the subject.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  DHR
July 31, 2021 12:00 pm

Many thanks.
Heller is a hero amongst men (and women)

Richard Page
Reply to  DHR
July 31, 2021 7:41 am

Trust me on this – few people in the UK still trust the Met Office. They have yet to correctly predict a long range weather forecast and the 2-3 day ones are increasingly iffy.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Richard Page
July 31, 2021 10:36 am

In 4yrs with the famous “Barbecue summer” which turnedout to be a washout, they managed to predict the exact OPPOSITE of what actually happened with pinpoint accuracy.

It’s hard to be 100% wrong 4/4 and then be rewarded for failure.

I must be in the wrong job, + my own work depends very much on my own predictions for the summer outside!

I somehow manage to get it right 100% of the time, without resorting to super pooper computers.

Vuk
Reply to  DHR
July 31, 2021 9:52 am

AMO ~60 year cycle

AMO-index.gif
michael hart
Reply to  DHR
August 2, 2021 8:29 am

I recall that we had some memorable UK summers and memorable droughts in the 1970s and 80s. So an increase should come as no surprise.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:23 am

Now listen up moron & listen good!!! I know of no Manmade Global Warming sceptic who denies that the Earth’s climate changes, & as a retired structural engineers with a reasonable knowledge of geology I also know this for a fact!!! The trouble with you warm-mongers is that you don’t have a shred of scientific evidence to support your leftist claims that Free-Enterprise Capitalism has caused, is causing, & will cause, the Earth’s climate to change, & that the ONLY solution to this alleged issue is the creation & establishment of a One-World Globul Guvment run on Socialist principles, whereby the Socialism is for the peasants (pensioners like me who have technical knowledge & can reason & think for ourselves), & the One-World Guvment will be made up on self-appointed un-elected, un-democratic, un-accountable, & worse, un-sackable bureaucrats, who are frighteningly people like you – with a very limited brain capacity unable to take a long cool look at a situation & draw rational, logical conclusions!!! However, as a believer in freedom & democracy, I will defend to the death, your inalienable right to be completely wrong, irrational, illogical, & foolhardy, even stupid, just as long as you don’t drag anyone down the hole with you!!! Socialism kills en-masse as it has done throughout the 20th century!!!

Drake
Reply to  Alan the Brit
July 31, 2021 11:23 am

OK so “free enterprise capitalism”, I guess, is ok if you counterpoint it with Government Crony Capitalism or socialism, but I prefer something like just Free Enterprise period.

Using the Marxist term capitalism is just playing into their hands.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Drake
July 31, 2021 1:54 pm

The term is was Socialists, at least here in the UK & the Crony Capitalist? Socialist EU, is what they dish out on a regular basis!!! So I’m sorry to disagree with your point, but “they£ don’t want to destroy capitalism, they simply want to own it, control it, etc, just like China with its state sponsored Capitalism. controlled by guvment enriching itself at the expense of the ordinary people!!! Simples!!!

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:37 am

And obviously the only think that has changed over the last 60 years is the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.
griff’s handlers require him to believe that CO2 controls everything, and he is a good little drone.

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 11:38 am

Amazing that you’re still with us griff, what with all the catastrophic flooding going on over there! Don’t let anybody get away with claiming the flooding is due to daft environmental regulations preventing dredging.

Things are so terrible. I hear there aren’t even going to be enough whores to service COP26 in November, so many are dying. Such a tragedy! Stay safe, now. We need your constant input here.

So, in which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025

michael hart
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 2, 2021 8:35 am

Yes, Griff is admirably tenacious.
Or just strongly committed to putting in the hours at the day-job.

Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 11:55 am

Try asking people who live by/on, work by/on, and above all understand rivers — which you patently don’t — and they will tell you what causes increased flooding: building on flood plains, development in catchment areas which sends run-off into watercourses instead of the ground, bad watercourse management.
Those old enough will also tell you that what has happened in the last 20 years might be more severe than in the previous 20 years depending on where you look but is no more severe than what was happening 50-odd years ago when due allowance is made for the three causes I have quoted above.
But as usual your comment is a fact-free zone. I sometimes wonder why we even bother reading your stuff; incipient masochism probably.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Newminster
July 31, 2021 3:23 pm

The Griff persona is a Trolling Device (TD). Do not respond to TD’s as if they were a real person. Just neutrally respond to their falsehoods.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 31, 2021 3:31 pm

According to some dude named Anthony Watts, griff is a real person. Now granted, griff is a really dull and annoying troll and quite possibly on somebody’s payroll, or maybe just in poor mental health, but I’ll trust the proprietor that he’s not a device.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 31, 2021 5:24 pm

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Rich. Yes, Griff is a real person (of undetermined gender). With my “the Griff persona is a Trolling Device™ (TD)” I was trying to point out that personal attacks would not deter the human Griff from his Leftist postings as a TD. Since She/He/IT posts Leftist propaganda as an automation, we should treat She/He/IT as a TD and lay off the personal attacks. Personal attacks are counterproductive to rational argumentation.

Peter K
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 3:09 pm

The Mett Office and the Australian BOM have been caught out many times over fudged figures, in their efforts to “keep the dream alive”. There will always be headlines, from Weatherzone “Hottest day ever” somewhere on the globe, but never a “coldest day ever”.

michael hart
Reply to  Peter K
August 2, 2021 8:46 am

They will be probably be supplied with “hottest days for a long time yet. It is easy to generate more “records” by sampling more frequently or in more locations. You also get to choose the time period, too. Day? Week? Month?
And that’s before other effects such as increasing urbanization.

As a chemist, I have sometimes bragged that I could invent a plausible chemical scare story for every day of the year.

A meteorologist who cannot produce new “records” on demand, or a computer modeller who can’t make the climate model predict disaster at will, is simply incompetent.

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
August 1, 2021 12:24 am

Griff: You’re wanted urgently over on the recent Polar Bear thread to explain yourself.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  griff
August 1, 2021 10:22 am

No it does not account for the increase in flooding. The increase in rainfall is confined to Scotland and mostly in the sparsely populated Highlands. The increase in flooding has been in English floodplains, foolishly built on or inadequately drained.

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michael hart
Reply to  griff
August 2, 2021 8:23 am

Griff, my dear, if it was only 1% wetter, would you still say it was due to climate change?

Don’t bother answering that, I think I already know what you would say.

DDP
Reply to  griff
August 5, 2021 9:38 am

Flooding in the UK is cyclical in nature, an increase has long been predicted, and has nothing to do with climate change/crisis/emergency/disruption/whatever.

https://www.dur.ac.uk/news/newsitem/?itemno=6468

I knew bookmarking this would come in one day!

Peter K
Reply to  Doonman
July 31, 2021 3:01 pm

We are talking about politicians here, where IQ and general knowledge is normally below average.

Charlie
July 30, 2021 11:14 pm

‘Fake and lightweight’. That suits Miliband to a tee.

Iain Reid
July 30, 2021 11:15 pm

Exactly what action do people like Mr Milliband want us to do?

Whatever action they think it is that we should do hinges on renewable generation and using it to replace fossil fuel generation. On top of that they want us to electrify transport, heating and make green hydrogen. Renewables are not able to replace what fossil fuelled generaation we have now never mind all the extras they want to add to current demand. It is an impossibity for intermittent and technical reasons and it is eye wateringly expensive to try.
Carbon capture is another fantasy, it seems that arithmetic is not government’s strong point?

H B
July 30, 2021 11:31 pm

There goes The UK labor party’s last chance at getting elected the people have realized it is going to cost them

griff
Reply to  H B
July 31, 2021 1:11 am

and yet which party is driving the UK green agenda? could it be the tory party?

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 2:28 am

The tories think that there are votes to be gained by appearing to be green. After COP26 has finished in abject failure, I expect a lot of the green policies to be watered down or quietly abandoned. Any serious attempt to achieve the impossible net zero carbon target will totally bankrupt Britain. This will become more and more obvious in the next few years.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Bill Toland
July 31, 2021 3:33 pm

More likely figure out how to trick the demented Resident Biden into covering the cost.

lee
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 2:41 am

My how Labour and Green’s have changed. lol.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:16 am

The tories are driving their daft green agenda and grass roots conservatives are not happy – BoJo, his idiotic wife, and ridiculous green band-wagon jumping tory MPs are no longer real conservatives.

I’ve voted Conservative for the last 30 years. I was even once a member of the Conservative Party and local activist for the party. I’m no longer a member and will never vote for them again. Even if they stand up and say, “sorry folks, we messed up and we’re dropping all this green rubbish” I won’t believe them.

The UK needs a new libertarian and genuinely conservative political party. How that will come to fruition, I don’t know.

Richard Page
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 7:45 am

Apart from Princess Nutnut, I think that a lot of the Tory posturing on climate is Brexit related fodder for COP26. This is BoJo’s one big push to get Britain out from under the EU’s shadow so he’s making the most of it. Whether any of these schemes will even last a year is anybody’s guess but we’ll see.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 1:57 pm

“The tories are driving their daft green agenda and grass roots conservatives are not happy – BoJo, his idiotic wife, and ridiculous green band-wagon jumping tory MPs are no longer real conservatives.”

I’ve seen a couple of articles lately claiming that the Wuhan virus infection can actually lower the IQ of some people after the virus attacks their brains.

I wonder if this is what happened to Boris? He was in the hospital a long time.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 31, 2021 2:01 pm

While on the subject of bird brains:

I see where German scientists claim that crows have the ability to understand the concept of “zero”.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 31, 2021 3:37 pm

I wonder what the half life of a Boorish Johnson spouse is? Could be that change is possible. Certainly there would be nothing other than his johnson holding him to any climate commitments.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:42 am

In the US, a lot of so called Republicans think that the way to get elected is to be slightly to the right of whatever position the Democrats have staked out today.
The only thing they do with the power they acquire when elected is make themselves, family and their friends rich.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
July 31, 2021 2:07 pm

The Republicans that always give the conservatives and the nation trouble, are those who are always looking to please the Leftwing Media. They don’t want the Leftwing Media attacking them, so they keep their heads down and go along with the Democrat program, as part of that effort.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 31, 2021 9:47 pm

I wouldn’t say Liz Cheney has kept her head down. She is very much taking a brave stand. At least a few in the party want to know the truth of what happened on Jan 6.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
August 1, 2021 5:13 am

I would put Liz Cheney in a different category from the Republican appeasers.

I think for Liz, it’s a personal matter between her and Trump.

Trump trashed her father’s and her foreign policy positions and Liz doesn’t like it, so trying to destroy Trump’s credibility is first on her list.

So she takes the position that Trump was trying to overthrow the government even though there is no evidence to suggest such a thing, and plenty of evidence that Trump was trying to enhance security at the Capitol Building before the riot, but Nancy Pelosi, who is in charge of the Capitol Building security refused both of Trump’s offers of National Guard troops, which were offered three days before the riot, and again one day before the riot, with Trump pointing out to the Capitol security people that there were large and growing crowds in Washington DC. They still refused any help.

Liz ought to ask Nancy why she did that. Do you think Liz will do that during the hearings the House is currently holding? I would be surprised if she did. She wouldn’t want to take the focus off of Trump, imo.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 1, 2021 11:30 am

But Tom all this is why we need a proper investigation in to what happened on that day…. I for one am looking forward to it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
August 2, 2021 4:21 am

Me, too. A proper investigation. The one currently going on is a Kangaroo Court. It’s all focused on making Trump out to be the bad guy.

There have actually been several Congressonal investigations of the incident already. One of them is where I got the information about Trump offering National Guard troops to protect the Capitol Building.

One Florida congressman mentioned this testimony on Fox News, one time, and that’s been the only mention of it. None of the Leftwing Media have even mentioned it. And we know why, too, don’t we. It’s because they are propaganda organs for the leftwing and self-censor anything that would make Trump look like a normal human being.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 1, 2021 11:38 am

So she takes the position that Trump was trying to overthrow the government even though there is no evidence to suggest such a thing, …
What about Trump saying to the DOJ in December “just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me…”
I’d say that is pretty clear evidence he was trying to subvert/overthrow the election, wouldn’t you? And to be clear, Trump has admitted to saying this.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
August 2, 2021 4:26 am

That’s leftwing propaganda, Simon.

And it’s a ridiculous charge. So what if Trump told some lawyers to say it was corrupt. One has to have evidence to make such a charge stick.

And what did Trump mean by “leave the rest to me”? That’s a little ambiguous, wouldn’t you say? Somebody who hates Trump could make out of that anything they wanted.

But what did Trump actually do when it was left to him? Why, he offered National Guard troops to the Capitol police on two different occasions. If they had “left it up to him” there would have been thousands of National Guard troops guarding the Capitol Building that day.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 2, 2021 11:36 am

Tom, I think you are confusing the riots with Trump trying to steal the election. And they weren’t “some lawyers” we are talking about, they were the Dept of Justice. That is about as dodgy as it gets. It was like the Ukraine thing. He just wanted them to say it was fraud so he could so distrust amongst his followers and gain momentum for a challenge to the election. But here’s the thing, the DOJ told him “no” to him, telling him they found no fraud. And they did that because they found no fraud. Zero.

And Trump didn’t offer help, it was the Pentagon….
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 1, 2021 11:47 am

but Nancy Pelosi, who is in charge of the Capitol Building security refused both of Trump’s offers of National Guard troops,”
That is completely false Tom. Pelosi has nothing to do with security or the capitol police. You can read the full story here.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/27/fact-check-nancy-pelosi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
August 2, 2021 4:29 am

So you think if the President of the United States calls the head of the Capitol Building police and offers National Guard troops to protect the Capitol Building, that this person would turn the president down on his own authority?

The story will all come out eventually, and I’ll bet it doesn’t end up the way you think it will.

A lot of Republican legislators think Nancy Pelosi is responsible for not protecting the Capitol Building. I guess they didn’t read your article. Time will tell.

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Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 2, 2021 1:47 pm

A lot of Republican legislators think Nancy Pelosi is responsible for not protecting the Capitol Building. “
Of course they do. Because the other option is they have to apportion some blame to themselves, for letting the guy they follow, Trump, do what he did, which was to incite a riot.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
August 1, 2021 11:13 am

Who is Peter Daszak, CNN-Simon?

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
August 1, 2021 11:29 am

What has he got to do with the capitol riots?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 10:40 am

NO the Tory party is being dragged along by the length of Bojo’s d..ck, and unelected numpty he recently finally married.

How long any of that will last depends on the rough parity of blood circulation between the lower bits of Bojo and the upper (but scarcely rational) routine liar stuck on top of his shoulders.

Serge Wright
July 30, 2021 11:37 pm

When it comes to Miller bands, the only one of the two worth listening to is Steve.

richardw
Reply to  Serge Wright
July 31, 2021 12:34 am

What about brother David? Head of International Rescue or something like that. They do look like characters from Thunderbirds, but whether they could pilot one of those ships is a moot point…

Ariadaeus
Reply to  Serge Wright
July 31, 2021 1:37 am

Glen? He was good.

Leo Smith
July 30, 2021 11:43 pm

Anyone would think from all the ClimateBollox™ on the media that there was a climate conference coming up, as the fear index has been turned up to 11.

TonyL
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 31, 2021 12:12 am

Coming up:
UN Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP 26)
Glasgow, October 31 – November 12, 2021

How about that?

Richard Page
Reply to  TonyL
July 31, 2021 7:47 am

I think you may not have noticed the invisible sarc tag there.

Coeur de Lion
July 30, 2021 11:48 pm

Watch the weak, erratic, McKibben being exposed on Moore’s Planet of the Humans on the question of wood chips for electricity. For or against? Silly old man. The 350ppm movement. Laughable if it wasn’t sad.

griff
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
July 31, 2021 1:10 am

all UK green groups and several parts of the UK govt oversight structure agree wood chips aren’t green.

Glad to see Watts readers on side with FOE and Greenpeace in their long campaign on this.

lee
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 2:42 am

We however haven’t changed our minds. 😉

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:23 am

Glad to see Watts readers on side with FOE and Greenpeace in their long campaign on this.

Welcome to the real world Griff:

Unlike the hard left/green idiots, us sceptics appreciate that occasionally there are things that lie on the middle ground and that both sides can agree on. Not everything in life is black and white; there are always shades of grey in this world.

However, the hard left/greens would never admit to this as their world is made up of simplistic good or evil and nothing in between. They have no nuance.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 7:52 am

Griffy – you may or may not have noticed this, but most people on WUWT look at the facts – we’re not on side with any political activist group or other, but occasionally THEY are on side with reality, so our views coincide.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:44 am

We’ve been ridiculing the idea of burning wood chips for power since before the first plant went into operation.
You on the other hand only decided it was bad when your handlers told you to change side.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  MarkW
July 31, 2021 10:45 am

especially as one of the power stations is sitting on about 200 year’s worth of perfectly useable highly compacted, energy rich fossil fuel called COAL, which was formed by guess what?
Ancient Wood chips?

Reply to  pigs_in_space
July 31, 2021 12:09 pm

And the irony is that it was built there for that very reason! I haven’t seen the figures but felling US forests, chipping the wood, shipping it to the UK must be more polluting (and I mean polluting) and CO2-emitting than modern combustion and scrubbing of coal from right under your feet!
The argument that the CO2 will be sequestrated again might come true in a few hundred years provided those forests are ever replanted. I’m not holding my breath!

Mr.
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 5:09 pm

So Griff what’s your take on “father of global warming” scientist James Hanson’s assertion that wind & solar will never do the job – only nuclear will save the planet?

Why aren’t all you “believers” 100% behind Hanson?

On this, he makes sense to everyone.

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 6:39 pm

Just because you think something doesn’t automatically make it wrong, griff. Belay that. It probably does.

The only thing I have against it is that it’s more expensive than natural gas. I can understand why watermelon envirowackjobs would oppose wood chips, though. It’s not intermittent. Won’t help collapse the economy, just like nuclear.

Btw, in which time period would you prefer to live your life?
[__] Benign low CO2 1675-1750
[__] “Dangerous” CO2 1950-2025

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Julian Flood
July 30, 2021 11:49 pm

What people don’t realise is that the British Left (and Right if it comes to that) believes that the UK is so respected and admired that we have to set an example for the rest of the world. All nations watch our climate policies to see what they should be doing. It’s Imperial thinking and is found in the upper echelons of the MSM as well.

The other problem is that the whole lot of them are STEM – illiterate. For example, Matt Hancock (now famous for other things) did not know when Minister for Energy and Climate Change that electricity once produced has to be used or stored, it doesn’t just hang around somewhere waiting to be used.

That one fact explains the push for wind, solar and the unbuildable EPR nukes.

I wish the world would look to Germany and copy the Energiewende. Our industry could do with a few competitors going bust.

JF

griff
Reply to  Julian Flood
July 31, 2021 1:09 am

I’ve been reading on this website that Germany would go bust due to renewables and its power grid would collapse for a decade now… still waiting.

Ariadaeus
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 1:39 am

That is because they are now burning record amounts of lignite.

Beagle
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 1:51 am

I think they opened a big new coal fired power station and have the new interconnector from Russia on its way.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:26 am

Don’t worry Griff – coal came along and saved them. Ain’t fossil fuels just grand?

BTW we were told on multiple occasions that the arctic would be free of ice by now, all the glaciers would have disappeared, and children would never know what snow is… still waiting.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 7:53 am

Not only are they keeping their coal fired power stations going till 2038, as well as relying on Polish coal fired plants, but they also are receiving gas from Russia via Nord Stream 1 and going ahead with Russia on Nord Stream 2.

In 2018 Germany’s net imports of energy need were 63.6%

Seems like the unreliables just can’t power a modern economy.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 31, 2021 9:50 am

The sad thing griff has been told these facts many, many times.
Yet he still repeats the same lies.
It’s almost as if he has no interest in reality.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
July 31, 2021 3:36 pm

The Griff persona is a Trolling Device (TD). All you will ever get from a TD is the current meme. For example, the old meme was wood pellets are good. The new meme is wood pellets are bad. Both asserted by the Griff TD. Shades of Orwell’s 1984.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:48 am

ONce again griff is forced to lie about what those who disagree with him have been saying.
1) Germany has insanely high energy prices. This is due to their insane renewable energy programs. Such high prices are unsustainable. Things that can’t continue, won’t. As to when they collapse, that depends on how tolerant the German voter is.
2) We have pointed out many times that as long as Germany remains connected to the rest of the European grid, it won’t collapse easily. However as the rest of the European grid goes gang green, the safety margin is disappearing.

I know that nuance is above your pay grade, but learning it would make you look slightly less like a troll.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:59 am

They weren’t foolish enough to close their coal fired power stations. In fact they built more.

I suggest you go here for charts of German electricity production by week.

https://energy-charts.info/charts/power/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&week=01

and here for downloads
https://energy-charts.info/downloads.html?l=en&c=DE

Can I lso suggest you go here for UK production (and French) downloads available
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Here for Spain
https://demanda.ree.es/visiona/peninsula/demanda/total/2021-07-31

Then compare 17th and 18th January 2021 for all four countries. you’ll find wind generated electricity was low in all, the wind may well be blowing somewhere all the time, unfortunately Europe may not be big enough to include somewhere.

To double check try Ireland and Denmark (not sure about data downloads from these)

http://smartgriddashboard.eirgrid.com/#all
and
https://en.energinet.dk/

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 10:46 am

….and doubled the price of electricity so it’s the most expensive anywhere in Europe.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 3:32 pm

Exporting unusable energy at a loss and importing energy at inflated prices. “Do more and we will make up the losses” is not a good strategy. You are now watching Germany’s slow-motion collapse. The data are in; read them.

fretslider
July 31, 2021 12:21 am

Has Milipede learned how to eat a bacon sandwich yet?

michel
July 31, 2021 12:25 am

Yes, this is probably true – that when you look at the total amount of CO2 for which the UK economy is responsible, its not going down, its just happening in other countries.

However the real issue about Miliband’s Climate Change Act of 2008 is that, contrary to how its represented, it will if implemented have zero effect on the world’s climate.

You always get this in discussions of climate, in the UK, Australia, Europe, the US. Its global emissions that are the alleged cause of the alleged emergency. But the argument always goes, do something to reduce local emissions because climate emergency. Without ever saying what effect the proposals will have on global emissions.

This is presumably because they will have no effect at all. I have never seen any policy proposal in any Western country which would have any measurable effect on global emissions.

Miliband’s Climate Change Act was political hysteria. It was passed with a huge majority, it committed the UK to make the largest reductions in CO2 of any country in the world. But no-one then had the slightest idea how to implement it and meet its requirements. No-one has any better idea today.

So you see the UK flailing around, doing things at vast expense which will not even have any material effect on UK emissions, and not even considering the things that meeting the Climate Change Act would require. Or sometimes things that are simply not doable, like the abolishing of all gas powered water and house heating.

It could be done. It would take abolishing the auto industry, taking freight back to railways, going nuclear for electricity generation. And making the corresponding changes – moving the population into high density urban areas with electrified public transport, bike and walkways, local shopping and working, super insulated, mostly new, housing. You have to imagine the country as it was in 1905, but with computers and Internet and well insulated housing. No more shopping centres, out of town supermarkets, chemical agriculture. An end to the current consumer goods boom, an end to all suburbs not well served by suburban rail.

The things they are currently proposing wouldn’t have any role in such a program. Why bother with wind and solar? They do almost nothing – their contribution is always overstated because buying in of their generation is legally compulsory. Drop them, and you’d not notice. As for electrifying cars, its not going to happen. Precisely because to get away with it you would have to make the changes to living and working sketched above, and that’s not going to happen without the kind of huge government program that no UK government is going to risk implementing.

The only result of seriously trying to do it, and hoping that the market then drives the necessary changes in living and working, will be extinction for the political party in power at the time.

Which they all know, and which is why they will never do it, and why they confine themselves to hugely expensive gesture politics.

Its an astonishing spectacle. Its mass hysteria about the supposed climate emergency in the first place, followed by an obsessive fixation on making tiny and totally ineffective reductions to emissions.

richardw
Reply to  michel
July 31, 2021 12:36 am

The Climate Change Act never had proper parliamentary scrutiny. The muppet MPs simply thought that it would be a ‘good thing’ and nodded it through.

griff
Reply to  michel
July 31, 2021 1:08 am

co2 generated from the UK economy has dropped, within the UK, not from exports…

We have now only 2% of our electricity from coal and 42% of it from renewables… that’s a huge amount of previously domestically generated CO2 not now being produced.

We have massively invested in energy efficiency, resulting in a drop in demand.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 1:45 am

https://grid.iamkate.com/

On average about 25% not 42%. Excluding the imported stuff, 11%, mainly from France. On windy days the contribution goes up goes up. On quiet days, like two weeks in June, it drops to less than 5%.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 31, 2021 4:45 am

That’s a great website Ed, thanks for the link. Bookmarked for future use when winding up the green zealots.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 2:49 am

Griff, how many times do you have to be told this? According to your favourite newspaper The Guardian, Britain’s carbon footprint has not fallen at all. We have just exported all of our heavy industry to countries which don’t care about global warming. We have replaced domestic co2 production with imported co2 production.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/21/britain-is-g7s-biggest-net-importer-of-co2-emissions-per-capita-says-ons

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Bill Toland
July 31, 2021 9:25 am

And now have a plan for CO2 taxing the products that come from those same foreign countries. Win-win for the revenue department.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Bill Toland
July 31, 2021 3:44 pm

The Trolling Device (TD) know as Griff don’t need any steenkin’ facts.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:41 am

42% from renewables? That is absolute twaddle Griff.
Even if you include the ridiculous tree burning at Drax power station and hydro (which greens hate) you struggle to get more than 37%.
Your beloved rainbow catchers and unicorn fart harvesters make up less than 25%, and that’s only when the wind is blowing and the sun is out. They’ve been drenched with subsidies and yet still they can’t overtake good old fossil fuels.

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:51 am

I see griff still doesn’t understand the difference between power production and name plate power.

Dave Fair
Reply to  MarkW
July 31, 2021 3:46 pm

Nor the need for FF backup of unreliables and frequency stability.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 10:11 am

Griff,
I’ve pointed to links on electricty generation in a reply to one of your other comments. I agree with Ed Zuiderwijk, This year we’ve had particularly long wind free periods. Even on a breezy Saturday we’re getting more electricity from the interconnectors than wind, shortly to become more than wind and solar.

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

I know you won’t but please look at all the electricity generation for European countries and explain to me how wind is going to supply all our energy needs including trolley lorries on motorways

pigs_in_space
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 10:50 am

we also got a huge drop in reliability which meant stranding most of the East coast electric trains in the middle of nowhere for half a day, when a wind farm went off line.

Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 12:32 pm

At this moment (2030 BST) wind and solar are providing 9% of a fairly meagre 27.5GW demand, less than is coming in on the Interconnectors!
And there is no point in wurbling on about 42% coming from renewables. Even if that were sometimes true it is far from being true at this moment. And that is what matters.Without gas and nuclear providing 60% plus of demand as and when demanded, what happens?
How are you going to keep a country going if at a moment’s notice you find you only have 10% of the power you need? Diesel generators in hospitals? No trains running? No public lighting? A major breakdown of any operation that requires continuous power is inevitable unless you have a reliable source ready kick in at a moment’s notice.
And even your theoretical 42% is useless if you are planning to shut down the other 58%!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 2:09 pm

How about natural gas, fracked or otherwise??? We’ve been fracking in the UK for at least 40 years+++, it’s a drilling technique developed in Texas back in 1945, horizontal drilling is the only “new” technology!!!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  griff
August 1, 2021 12:53 am

The essential problem with “renewable” or more accurately, “unreliable” energy, is that gas powered generating stations are running continuously to back-up this unreliable energy production without actually producing any useable energy in itself, other than to power the back-up power station!!! Useless & pointless bordering on lunacy!!!

AndyHce
Reply to  michel
July 31, 2021 2:01 am

Its all because no one could think up a good way to promote another crusade to save the holy city. They have to do something, even if its useless, otherwise who would let they play with the public’s toys?

Matthew Sykes
July 31, 2021 12:28 am

Well, dont forget that Britain was the ‘workshop of the world’ in the 19th century, so our CO2 emissions were very high, like Chinas today, so as much as todays CO2 production is dictated by trade, it was in the past too, so any comparison is difficult to make.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
July 31, 2021 10:22 am

You can compare China and the UK (and as many countries as you want) here

https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/china

saveenergy
July 31, 2021 12:40 am

Ed Miliband, who served an unremarkable two years as secretary of state for energy and climate change”

Eric, I disagree –
he’s the champagne Marxist who drove the 16th October 2008 Climate Change Act (written by Friends of the Earth activist Bryony Worthington ) that put UK into the energy ‘crises’ we are rapidly sinking into plus the eye watering costs that are putting more people into fuel poverty.

To do that amount of damage in such a short time … is quite remarkable !

The little bastard needs to be put on trial for treason.

fretslider
Reply to  saveenergy
July 31, 2021 4:08 am

His father, Ralph Miliband, was an uber [Jewish] Marxist who hated the country that gave him shelter.

As he was labelled in the press, “The man who hated Britain”

bonbon
July 31, 2021 12:44 am

Another milquetoast nudge from Miliband.

John H
July 31, 2021 12:44 am

Blah blah blah !!! says the man who still drives a fossil fuelled car. Like Obama with his 1M above sea level Martha’s Vineyard front door, a first class hypocrite.

July 31, 2021 12:51 am

“Real climate action” requires a witch doctor and a voodoo magic chicken bones ritual to be effective. Anything less simply won’t work, and we’ll all be doomed to climate Thermageddon.

I have an address for the climate afflicted to forward appropriate virgins for ritual sacrifice to quell the angry climate gods. Please inquire if you are so gullible.

griff
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
July 31, 2021 1:05 am

Virgins remain in short supply in the UK…

AndyHce
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 2:05 am

If they will just pretend, it won’t make any real difference.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:46 am

i’m sure you’ll step up to the plate Griff.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:50 am

but gullible Alarmists like you are not…

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 7:57 am

Aha – I guess you are probably from Essex or nearby; virgins are, indeed, practically non-existent in those parts.

Reply to  Richard Page
July 31, 2021 12:37 pm

What do you call a 33-year-old Essex Girl?

michael hart
Reply to  Richard Page
August 2, 2021 8:59 am

Why did the Essex girl have a bruised navel?

Her boyfriend’s from Essex too.

Seems like that’s more fair to everybody not from Essex.

BCBill
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
July 31, 2021 3:57 am

Somebody who would wear an ill fitting cloth mask to to stop the spread of a virus would also sacrifice a virgin (real or imagined) to try to prevent bad weather. That level of disconnect between cause and effect is the normal condition for humans and was only held in check by a historically brief ascendency of the primacy of data. Belief in AGW and their fantasy models signalled the end of the ever so brief age of reason. This year we have been seeing grotesquely fat cops arresting little old women in Canada for not wearing face masks outside. Reason is dead. We should take Griff and his ilk very seriously because they will commit great evil to assuage their unreasoning and seemingly unending fear.

griff
July 31, 2021 1:04 am

The biggest drop in UK CO2 has been from cutting CO2 from power generation within the UK… by closing nearly all coal power plants and by replacing much of the gas generation by wind power.

CO2 reduction is measured since 1990: the major closures in UK industry and shift overseas had already taken place by then.

There is little substance in the ‘oh but you shifted it all to china’ argument. (for the USA it holds true, using the 1990 baseline)

Rusty
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 1:52 am

Wind is not replacing natural gas and is certainly not going to replace most of it because it’s too intermittent. This last week proves that when wind contributed next to nothing whilst gas and coal kept the lights on.

Natural gas and biomass (wood chips) has replaced coal with the help from wind and solar:

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:49 am

Replacing much of gas by wind power?
What planet are you on? Gas makes up roughly 40% of the current mix, and wind just 19% and that’s only when it’s blowing.

MarkW
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 9:57 am

The Guardian wrote it, so it must be true.
griff’s handlers would never lie to him.

Climate believer
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 4:52 am

Could you just point out on the chart where any of this “effort” has had an effect….mmm…thought not.

In fact if you plot CO² ppm against UK annual mean temperature over that period you get a negative correlation.

Good luck saving the planet with your misguided ideology.

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 31, 2021 9:57 am

The only reason why you have been able to close those power stations is because so much of the manufacturing base has been driven offshore. Lord knows renewables aren’t able to do it.

Peta of Newark
July 31, 2021 1:15 am

Quote:”If you look at a graph of UK CO2 emissions, it looks like UK has successfully decoupled CO2 emissions from GDP growth. But this is an illusion.”

Too true. GDP growth is an illusion, powered entirely by ‘Inflation Control’ and Money Printing
Jobs growth is only in the Service Sector, esp including ever increasing legions of tedious little H!tlers inside Government offices.
The most significant offender in there is the Office of National Statistics – Mark Twain nailed it perfectly.
The entire Covid debacle being a lovely example of that ‘machine’ in operation.
They spent nearly £400 Billion on that alone, money they didn’t have nor have any plan about and even the most conservative estimates are that it’ll take 20 years to repay.
And the Herculean effort that went into the Foul-Up that was/is Brexit is nothing less than breathtaking. In a Pythonesque way, you can only admire it.

Nobody in the UK is making anything, except stress, anxiety, worry, savings/pensions depletion, Junk Science and criminals – you get to be one of the latter simply by getting out of bed in a morning.

The last para, starting “Until Britain addresses their gross” sums up nicely but this has been building since the time of Mrs Thatcher

Almost the entire country is now paralysed by its own Self Importance’ and Good Intentions and the only way anyone can see any sort of ‘fix’ is via ever more tax

By now, most will know what I blame, a truly hideous diet of cooked starch, refined sugar, booze and, not very least, Trash TV – and all those things work to reinforce each other.
Yes there are Positive Feedbacks – they never end happily.

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AndyHce
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 31, 2021 2:12 am

This video on Singapore is rather interesting. It almost makes me want to take part but they don’t address the personal costs, which are probably large. You, Peta, should find the parts about how they are addressing food self sufficiency, and particularly, individual nutritional requirements, starting somewhere around 17 minutes, particularly compelling.

H.R.
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 31, 2021 4:47 am

Peta wrote:Jobs growth is only in the Service Sector, esp including ever increasing legions of tedious little H!tlers inside Government offices.”


Oh, you hit that one square, Peta.

Those government positions aren’t jobs, they are welfare payments; wealth transfers from people who make or grow things to produce wealth to people who produce nothing but barriers and layers of paperwork that get in the way of those who actually do make something.

No country will survive for long when everyone is employed by government to stamp papers and send them on to the next department to stamp and then send on to the next department…. and so on… until the forms wind up back at the starting point where the papers are filed away, never to be seen again.

Funny thing is that those “little H!tlers inside Government offices” all think their jobs are vital.

The good news is that with computerization, government can do more useless things much faster.

Wait… so why do we have to keep hiring more and more “little H!tlers inside Government offices” if computers make doing useless things more efficient?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 31, 2021 10:58 am

In my part of the world, I am seeing more and more British happy to leave the island and set up permanently in TALLINN.
Every time I meet another one in the street I ask them why they are there.

The answer is immediate.

Toxic Britain, and SOOOOOO happy to leave even for a country with long winters, impossible language, but similarly crap food.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 31, 2021 1:32 am

I once read an analysis in a continental newspaper that the one politician responsible for Brexit was not David Cameron but Ed Milliband, in particular Ed eating a bacon sandwich en publique. The argument went like this: the idea was to show, him being of Jewish extraction, his inclusiveness of other cultures by eating that snack. But it was a PR disaster because he clearly was not very enthousiastic about it. So he, and therefore his party lost a truckload of credibility in one fell swoop and lost the next election, putting Cameron in the driving seat with his referendum, while it also brought Corbyn as new opposition leader. Corbyn’s Labour didn’t give a jot about the EU so the pro Brexit campaign had a free run with the well-known result (whether you like it it or not).

Why did that sandwich destroy his credibility? Because instead of a politician signaling ‘inclusiveness’ the great British public saw one who could be persuaded to do something he really didn’t want to do. And decided that they didn’t want a fool like that as PM. His standing has never recovered so whatever he says about anything will be ignored.

H.R.
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 31, 2021 4:52 am

Thanks, Ed. This Yankee had no idea what the bacon sandwich reference was all about.

Alan Haile
Reply to  H.R.
July 31, 2021 7:14 am

You can find a photograph of him with his bacon sandwich through google. It’s is a really funny photo.

MarkW
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 31, 2021 10:00 am

You show inclusiveness by personally doing something that is forbidden by your religion?
In my mind, inclusiveness is allowing other people to follow their religion, it does not mean abandoning your own.

Only a leftist could be that stupid.

Rusty
July 31, 2021 1:36 am

You can either have goods and services (whilst living a high standard of living) that produce CO2 or you can have none which don’t. Where those goods etc come from doesn’t matter, the CO2 is produced anyway.

Ed Milliband and his disastrous Climate Change Act has done real damage to the country and leaves many UK citizens struggling to pay heating and electricity costs in the winter.

Yet he’s most famous for eating a bacon sandwich.

John H
Reply to  Rusty
July 31, 2021 1:42 am

He did not eat that Bacon sandwich, he suffered it, which is worse than just admitting he does not like bacon.

ren
July 31, 2021 1:44 am

Already visible effect of actions. Index Nino 3.4 down sharply.

Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 2:02 am

Dopey Ed (or Beaker as he’s know to his friends) talks about the Met Office predicting an “age of extreme weather”.
I looked up the Met’s weather forecast for where I live here in Wales. They said that right now, I should more than likely be stood in the rain, with more to come. I went outside and took a photo of my street – it’s not raining and hasn’t rained all morning, or any of last night.
The Met Office can’t even get the weather correct right now, yet we’re supposed to listen to their predictions for the long-term future? Laughable.

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 2:36 am

Aaargh! Double post. This one doesn’t have the picture attached!
Please delete this one mods!

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 11:04 am

BEAKER! that had me laughing out loud.
The muppet show, with “Beaker” as star of the laboratory!

All we need now is Miss Piggy.
Ah damn I overlooked it, it’s Carrie-on-up-the-Symonds!

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  pigs_in_space
July 31, 2021 12:02 pm

Does that make BoJo Kermit?

Ken
July 31, 2021 2:06 am

Nothing in Miliband’s statements indicate what type of urgent action he expects!It’s always the same with these zealots who don’t understand the big picture.
They think they can see in the pattern of weather events a problem with climate.
He and his type should wake up to the scientific facts:
There is no climate emergency, no climate problem and CO2 is not a pollutant.

MarkW
Reply to  Ken
July 31, 2021 10:02 am

They don’t care what actions are taken.
So long as it cost lots of money.

StephenP
July 31, 2021 2:06 am

Looking back it will probably be seen thar Milliband’s Climate Change Act will have caused more damage to the economy and well-being of the UK than any other action including two world wars.
Along with Covid, as a result we will be buried under a mountain of debt and no means of producing anything to sell in order to pay it off.
Current low interest rates might make it seem bearable to the Bank of England, but even a small rise would cause considerable problems.
Add to that, negative interest rates for savers and introducing digital currency it all makes one wonder where we are heading.

MarkW2
July 31, 2021 2:10 am

Ed Miliband represents the elite metropolitan left, not the UK population and certainly not the working man. The Tories will soon realise that the net-zero agenda is political suicide as the actual costs and drop in living standards to achieve it finally sink in. Labour is even more out of touch with reality.

Joe Public isn’t as stupid as politicians — and hard-left environmentalists — believe. They can see that climate changes naturally. We’ve had one week of hot weather in an otherwise typical British summer, which is nothing remotely unusual. Flash flooding in our part of the world has far more to do with councils failing to clear drains — ironically because they were told “climate change would mean less rain” — and people paving their gardens. People here simply don’t buy the climate change argument.

Meanwhile in cities like London the massive increase in structural density — an enormous amount of building has taken place over the past 30 years — has led to a much higher urban heat island effect. The inevitable result is dramatically more warm moist air directly above the centre, with more downpours causing flooding that people like Miliband then attribute to “climate change”. It’s completely bonkers.

The UK is sleepwalking towards an energy crisis as demand and costs soar while reliable supplies fall. When the lights start going out, which they will if the Government continues with its crazy green agenda, people will make their feelings known at the ballot box.

StephenP
Reply to  MarkW2
July 31, 2021 11:20 am

But who on earth do we vote for, they are all as bad as each other.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  StephenP
July 31, 2021 2:10 pm

You have to make sure that the wrong lizard doesn’t get in!

H/T Douglas Adams

On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.”
“Odd,” said Arthur, “I thought you said it was a democracy.”
“I did,” said Ford. “It is.”
“So,” said Arthur, hoping he wasn’t sounding ridiculously obtuse, “why don’t people get rid of the lizards?”
“It honestly doesn’t occur to them,” said Ford. “They’ve all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they’ve voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.”
“You mean they actually vote for the lizards?”
“Oh yes,” said Ford with a shrug, “of course.”
“But,” said Arthur, going for the big one again, “why?”
“Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard,” said Ford, “the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?”

Robert Heath
July 31, 2021 2:11 am

Hi father was some communist political theorist. Ed was a twerp when he was a UK politician. he has not got smarter.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Robert Heath
July 31, 2021 6:02 am

Dare I say that Milliband’s antics do not reflect on other Eds?

Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 2:22 am

Dopey old Ed mentions the Met Office.
I checked out the Met Office’s current forecast for where I live here in Wales. According to the Met, I should be more than likely stood in the rain, with more to come. I went outside and took a picture of my street. As you can see, it’s not raining and hasn’t rained all morning or any of last night.
The Met Office can’t even get the weather correct right now, yet Dave wants us to pay attention to their predictions of future “extreme weather”? Laughable.

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 7:24 am

Dave? Who’s Dave?
I’m confusing Ed with his much more evil brother David.
I’m not doing well with my posts today. First I post without the picture and now I can’t get his name right.

Richard Page
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 8:08 am

Well it was a bit of a confusing time with politicians and their screwups – Dave Miliband had ‘Ed-gate’, Ed Miliband had ‘Bacon-gate’ and Dave Cameron had ‘Pigs head-gate’ and ‘Panama-gate’. If you’d chucked a stone at that lot, you’d likely have hit a Dave.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Richard Page
July 31, 2021 8:23 am

“If you’d chucked a stone at that lot, you’d likely have hit a Dave.”
Brilliant – made me chuckle!

Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 2:26 am

Over here in the UK, Ed’s always been seen as a figure of fun. A lot of us refer to him as Beaker, as you can see from pictures people have posted on the net. Here’s one I googled:

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Climate believer
July 31, 2021 2:47 am

A face only a mother could love. 🙂

“…from the Met Office that the age of extreme weather has just begun.”

This type of bombastic statement designed to get headline writers the world over salivating onto their keyboards, reminds me of a similar one that was made back on July 9th 1971.

“The world could be as little as 50 or 60 years away from a disastrous new ice age“- a leading atmospheric scientist predicts. Dr. S. I. Rasool of NASA and Columbia University.

or this one made back in 2013

Climate Catastrophe Will Hit Tropics Around 2020
“Nature, Science and PNAS share the distinction of being tied as the world’s three most prestigious scientific journals, and an article is not published in these journals unless it has undergone extremely rigorous scientific peer-revue; so, climate-change deniers will have no professional credibility in attacking this study…”

Lol!

My god those poor people in Hawaii, the climate catastrophe is upon them and they don’t even know it…

pochas94
July 31, 2021 2:56 am

If you can materialize the irrational you can do anything. (at least in your own mind)

fretslider
Reply to  pochas94
July 31, 2021 4:08 am

Alternatively known as ‘mental gymnastics’.

Dave Fair
Reply to  fretslider
July 31, 2021 4:02 pm

Mental masturbation is more descriptive of the process.

Greg
July 31, 2021 2:59 am

There is nothing exceptional about 50C in Pakistan. The deaths in Germany and China were due to govt. incompetence, not “climate breakdown”.

The usual ploy of exploiting weather events to pretend it’s “climate change”.

Andrew Wilkins
July 31, 2021 4:06 am

Ed is Jewish. Conflating CAGW scepticism with holocaust denial puts him on very dodgy ground.

fretslider
July 31, 2021 4:16 am

A typical champagne marxist of the Hampstead/Islington variety – he once had the soubriquet of Ed ‘2 kitchens’ Miliband. (One is simply never enough)

Ed Miliband: I have two kitchens but only use the small one
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11469913/Ed-Miliband-I-have-two-kitchens-but-only-use-the-small-one.html

And he doesn’t use it to make bacon butties. But his biggest achievement was the ‘Edstone’.

“Labour leader Ed Miliband unveiled the 8ft 6in, two-tonne slab of limestone, with Labour’s six key election pledges carved into its surface, five days before polling day. The stone was designed to persuade the public that Miliband was serious about delivering on his promises in government. “They’re carved in stone because they won’t be abandoned after the general election,” said Miliband, standing in front of the stone in a car park in Hastings.” – The Grauniad.

Ed lost the election and the hunt for the stone was on…

“‘Ed Stone’ was destroyed shortly after general election
Labour party officials tell Bloomberg News two-tonne limestone slab carved with Miliband election pledges was broken up”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/21/ed-stone-destroyed-after-general-election

Miliband is the consummate loser with an empty head.

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Bruce Cobb
July 31, 2021 5:28 am

Befuddled Looks Matter?

Ulric Lyons
July 31, 2021 5:56 am

“The wake-up call that this offers is not just the obvious one: that climate breakdown is already here. It also illustrates that we, in this generation, are in a unique position in the history of this crisis. Climate breakdown can no longer be plausibly denied as a threat etched only in the future. And all too soon, avoiding it may be a luxury lost to the past. The window to avoid catastrophe is closing with every passing day. We’re in the decisive decade in this fight, and we must treat the climate crisis as an issue that stands alone in the combination of its urgency and the shadow it casts over future generations.”

What a melodrama! Does he need therapy? or a lie detector?

So a fast solar coronal hole stream caused a heatwave early last August, and it’s been that hot in August in England before:

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Climate models predict drier summers for western Europe with rising CO2 forcing, but of course they know that the summers have on average become wetter since 1995. They will attribute this to the warm phase of the AMO, but what caused the AMO to shift warm from 1995?

fretslider
Reply to  Ulric Lyons
July 31, 2021 6:17 am

climate breakdown is already here. 

Yes it is, it’s cold grey and wet, not the [hotter] drier summers David King et al have been pushing.

Every time they make a pronouncement they jinx a good summer.

Right now (July) floods are the ‘in’ disaster

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Ulric Lyons
Reply to  fretslider
July 31, 2021 3:49 pm

UK summers have become on average wetter since 1995. That’s the Sun in control.

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Cheshire Red
July 31, 2021 7:09 am

For anyone unfamiliar with this particular gentleman, firstly lucky you!

Secondly, he really has been one of the biggest goofy-faced buffoons in UK politics these last 20-odd years.

His lunatic 2008 Climate Change Act is costing and causing untold billions worth of economic and social damage to our country, yet neither he, it nor our current crop of off-the-charts political weapons are finished yet.

The only good thing he did was arrogantly stand for election against his far more able elder brother David, whom he undeservedly defeated with help from the UK’s hard Left unions. That saved the UK from another 5 years of the Labour party. (Though given how the Conservatives have turned out, it’s hard to say if they’d have been any worse.)

In short, he’s a textbook example of the truly grim Left-wing barnpots running the UK.

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Richard Page
Reply to  Cheshire Red
July 31, 2021 8:10 am

Barmpot.

Shoki Kaneda
July 31, 2021 8:30 am

Demands? GFY, Ed.

July 31, 2021 8:37 am

So phase-out of all fuel cars by 2035 is not real climate action?
Phase-out of gas boilers by 2030 is not real either?
Nor covering half the North Sea with wind turbines?

So what would real look like Ed?
A step back 1500 years to an early Saxon lifestyle?

MarkW
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
July 31, 2021 10:06 am

For the peons, yes.
For important people like him, never.

Mike
July 31, 2021 8:54 am

This character was responsible for the mad Climate Chnage Act 2008 and the creation of a Climate Commitee which is still with us to this day and it is dictating that we should spend £1 Trillion. He was Labour Party leader for a while and changed the membership application process for his party. This allowed in a large number of left-wing extremists into it.

Mike
Reply to  Mike
July 31, 2021 9:40 am

This character was responsible for the mad Climate Change Act 2008 and the creation of a Climate Commitee which is still with us to this day and it is dictating that we should spend £1 Trillion. He was Labour Party leader for a while and changed the membership application process for his party. This allowed in a large number of left-wing extremists into it.

PCman999
July 31, 2021 12:04 pm

So what is Millibrand asking and raving about? That Brits should make even more sacrifices and pay even higher taxes to make up for all the carbon China is producing?

Bruce of Newcastle
July 31, 2021 3:51 pm

Real climate action is to do nothing, since nothing much is happening. That’s the real world data, not the feverish fantasy of the ensemble climate models.

Most of the current weather events have been due to sinuous Rossby waves which tend to occur more often during the 11 year solar cycle minimum, which we’re now in. Maybe Ed can remember back to 2010 Great Moscow Heatwave? That was at the previous solar minimum.

Patrick MJD
July 31, 2021 7:46 pm

Miliband is very wealthy, he won’t be affected by any of the increases to the cost of living they want to impose to “fix the climate”.

LdB
August 1, 2021 12:30 am

Yeah and the voters demanded politicians with an IQ but look what got put up … exhibit A.

very old white guy
August 1, 2021 3:53 am

Hey Ed, put a plastic bag over your head and eliminate “your” carbon footprint.

It doesn't add up...
August 1, 2021 10:18 am

I would never call Ed Miliband’s period as energy minister unremarkable. He shepherded through the infamous Climate Change Act in 2008, and his 2010 Energy Act in the dying days of the Labour government that put green interests ahead of consumer interests in energy.

I would call it remarkably disastrous.

ResourceGuy
August 3, 2021 10:09 am

Why stop at chlorinated chicken protectionism when you can add import tariffs on all goods and flights for the benefit of budget needs for special interests?

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