Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Breitbart; Following official suggestions the Wuhan laboratory leak hypothesis is being seriously considered by the US Government, Facebook has announced they will now allow users to share their Wuhan lab leak virus origin theories with friends.
Update on May 26, 2021 at 3:30PM PT:
In light of ongoing investigations into the origin of COVID-19 and in consultation with public health experts, we will no longer remove the claim that COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured from our apps. We’re continuing to work with health experts to keep pace with the evolving nature of the pandemic and regularly update our policies as new facts and trends emerge.
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Read more: https://about.fb.com/news/2020/04/covid-19-misinfo-update/#removing-more-false-claims
Other topics like discussing whether cheating changed the outcome of the 2020 Presidential election are still likely to earn you a ban. So don’t let the munificence of Zuckerberg’s decision to broaden the range of permitted Covid topics confuse you into thinking other restrictions have also been lifted.
Of course, it is really President Trump’s fault that liberals initially rejected the Covid Lab Leak hypothesis. As ABC presenter Sara Haines recently explained, Trump’s “racist terms and dog whistles” made it impossible for liberals to consider Trump’s theories about the origin of Covid-19, until President Biden signalled that publicly discussing the lab leak hypothesis is no longer an act of disloyalty or sedition.
Imagine what life would be like if these clowns got their hands on real power.
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Who uses FB anymore anyway????
Retirees unafraid to speak their mind but not allowed to contradict the narrative. Same as twitter.
I do! My FB Friends list reads like a Who’s Who of AGW skeptic ‘celebrities’, including Anthony. Problem is, the FB Thought Police will soon switch to more aggressive elimination of accounts that speculate on whether AGW is vastly overblown, so we’ll likely become the next endagered species on there.
Mine used to be the same, but I guess I just saw the writing on the wall early, and decided it was best to just walk away.
Strangely, I “saw the writing on the wall” in 2004.
Rory: Same here, early 2000’s saw me quit social media
I dabbled in MSN ‘Groups’ but it dawned after 3 or 4 years that it was actually Anti-Social Media
The trolls ran loose and were unstoppable – anything ‘nice’ simply had to be destroyed.
MSN realised about the same time and closed all the groups.
Here we are now, those trolls are all growed up and leading the charge on Climate, Covid, Food, Relationships, Child-rearing and simply everything
… and they have their own news outlets, forums and from the looks of it their own government catering solely to their every whim. Hell, they’re even trying (with some considerable success) to change the language with which we communicate.
(Never tried twitter or any of the othrrs but; naively I thought that message boards like IMDB were safe)
I do too, because I am working on the development of a new cat breed, the Tennessee Rex. But I only go to the few pages dedicated to this. Instant Messaging is handy for staying in touch with the other breeders around the world.
free wordpress blogpage and emails would be as good
without providing “feed” for the sharks
Not me. My daughter decided, and quite properly, that she did not want any pictures of her children on FB. Since my only reason for using FB would be to post pictures of them, I cancelled my account. I do not miss it,
Exactly the same for me. Only I made the decision to leave FB in 2007 after one month and no posts.
I did never use it, my new Whatsapp is now Signal.And only for family intern coverstaion.
You have interns in your family? I hope they don’t get paid!
Get stain remover for the cover stains, too.
I have a ‘fake’ account just to keep in occasional touch with family members. It has no actual data about me. My son is just as circumspect, and lists my account as his grandson just to mess with data harvesters.
I used to subscribe to a couple of rather amusing dirty and poor-taste joke groups, but these are now deleted by fb, so I don’t bother.
How kind and generous of Facebook!
God is Good!
Our Master has such an innocent face in that picture at the top.
The arrogant, under-educated fools at Facebook delude themselves into thinking that they have the competence and the right to censor the views of their intellectual superiors.
Recently , the $10 per hour “fact checkers” at FB contradicted the 2008 Nobel Prize winner in medicine. Yes, really! [Cue laughter…]
They have the gift of knowing absolutely that they are morally superior. Therefore making that sort of instant judgement is easy for the collective mind.
Keep in mind the “top expert” climate doomsters have been wrong in all of their 48 consecutive scary climate predictions that have fully expired. The probability of that happening (assuming “idiot odds” of 50:50 per prediction) are 1 in 281 Trillion!
So much for the “collective mind”, with the “collective IQ” of a turnip.
No rational person or group could be this wrong, this obtuse, for this long.
The incontrovertible conclusion is their “top experts” knew they were lying, and they have been lying all along, since ~1970.
Think about it – how many people would take their car to the same garage 48 times, and the car still would not start.
Nobody should believe these climate fraudsters – about anything!
That was the conclusion I came to three decades ago … the only possible conclusion, as you point out. At this point I don’t even have time for the lukewarmers. They all need to get some new material. I’m tired of the latest version of hair splitting nonsense.
CO2 is good. If it is contributing to any warming, that’s also good … because warmth is better than cooling and the plans love it. Added bonus is delaying the restart of the ice age.
Rory, you are 100% correct.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/17/the-lancet-diet-and-food-production-must-radically-change-to-improve-health-and-avoid-potentially-catastrophic-damage-to-the-planet/#comment-2594977
“Humanity now poses a threat to the stability of the planet. Sustainability of the food system must therefore be defined from a planetary perspective. Five key environmental processes regulate the state of the planet. Our definition of sustainable food production requires that we use no additional land, safeguard existing biodiversity, reduce consumptive water use and manage water responsibly, substantially reduce nitrogen and phosphorus pollution, produce zero carbon dioxide emissions,…” Professor Rockström continues.
OK stop the presses! If these authors cannot even understand the basic elements of the Scientific Method, and insist on repeating falsehoods from global warming propaganda, then I do not have to read further.
Atmospheric CO2 is essential for plant life (and ~all life) on Earth – atmospheric CO2 is good and more is better – it IS that simple!
Furthermore, before CO2 began to rise, it was at it slowest level for millennia … low enough to have caused stress in many plants. This planet has been sequestering the great abundance of CO2 at a dangerous rate. If anything, the present rise in CO2 is a savior. The world would be a far better place if we could only rid it of a few catastrophists.
The irony is that the actual morality of those pontificating to the rest of us is abysmal! An applause meter in a staged TV music talent contest confers on some the the feeling that they can lecture the rest of us (once they figured out the proper “woke” position.)
At this juncture I require enormous evidence to believe anyone about anything related to the weather when direct observation and a little common sense makes a mockery of it all.
Won’t it be wonderful when they restore the canceled posts, replatform the deplatformed, and pay pay the demonitized just compensation. I’ll ice skate in hell when they do.
I saw only yesterday that facebook reach 2.6 billion people in a project veritas vid of a fakebook whistle-blower interview.
Nothing will change with fakebook and twatter etc just as long as they keep pushing the globalist maoist marxist agenda.
They should be broken up, no private companies should have that much power to effect/affect the results of national elections all around the world.
Its personalised tailored propaganda on a massive scale.
It wont surprise anyone that i have forgotten how many times i have been banned from posting on fakebook over the last 3 or 4 years, its got to be getting on for 10 times starts with 3 days then a week then 10 days then 30 then 90, they never ban you from facebook altogether tho, you can still log in because they need your eyes on their advertising.
I fill in their surveys to teach them new words i’m scathing with them worthless leftist scum.
Florida Governor stops Silicon Valley Tech Giants biased silencing
Make this man President. Ron DeSantis has signed into law something that will allow Floridians to sue Big Tech if they have been banned by one sided “selectively enforced” rules. Finally, Big Tech, at least in Florida, will have to set some rules and apply them to both sides of any debate or the aggrieved party can sue Big Tech.
Regulated yes, but broken up? No. I suggest instead that they be regulated as public utilities subject to State and Federal public utility regulation. No pornography and no bomb making are two subjects that should be prohibited. There are likely others I am too naive or ignorant to think of.
DHR,
If you make social media sites public utilities then they will have to preserve the right to free speech meaning that pornography and bomb making would be explicitly permitted.
Free speech is the one side, criminal speech an other, further forbidden side.
Krishna,
In the US, pornography and bomb making fall under the category of free speech. You are allowed to post explicit information about how to make a bomb as a constitutionally protected right.
Until such time as a new SCOTUS ruling reverses the ridiculous previous rulings that made porn and dissemination of information for use in illegal activities “protected”.
We the People never voted for those “judgments” and no congress did either.
What 9 men made to be LAW 9 persons, or a majority thereof can reverse.
Roe vs. Wade, Interstate commerce includes commerce NOT across state lines, etc. etc.
So?
I certainly don’t condone it, but pornography is permitted on the internet (and in any book store) as any 13 year old knows. How does keeping it off FB change the access to kids? I (and underage children) can say dirty things on the telephone without Ma Bell getting in trouble. (Same with bomb making.)
Only because the SCOTUS said so, overturning multiple state laws.
I always vote against amending the NV state constitution to come in line with some SCOTUS decision because, if left on the books, the original intent can return once a new SCOTUS overturns the previous decision.
The Democrats ALWAYS attempt to “correct” the state constitution because the SCOTUS decisions ALWAYS go their way on major issues.
If the constitution is amended, conservatives will NEVER be able to get the old language back in.
But children are not able to view it because they are forced to enter their date of birth or declare that they are over 18. Obviously they cannot lie, so they can’t see it.
Can’t have opinions that don’t match mine. In fact we can’t even discuss science unless it matches their opinions. I believe most people understand the blatant censorship surrounding AGW but sometimes I’m not so sure.
But will they un-ding us for past statements that threw us into facebookjail??
Wouldn’t it be better to let them bleed membership until they die?
I would think you have grounds to sue for their “dinging” you and others for having an opinion THEY disagree with. Especially now that your opinion will soon be proven correct.
The lawsuit should name Zuckerberg directly since Project Veritas has whistleblowers stating he directed actions personally.
Get ALL his social media, phone and email records, those of al his management, the “fact checkers” etc. MSM coordination would probable show up in the mix.
Then the FEC can go after him for in kind campaign contributions to the Democrats, in the billions of dollars in equivalent advertising. He could be put away for the rest of his life. Look what they did to Dinesh D’Souza.
Free speech is allowed again ?! – What a gift – THANKS !!! /sarc
Most of Facebook users now live in ca$h “poor” countries like India, Indonesia or Brazil. Modi’s India is already putting the screws on Twitter, Facebook will be next.
Somewhat related I have not seen any mention of this, but heard Jack Riccardi on KTSA radio, San Antonio with an interview last week. He has a good record of chasing down scholarly types, does his homework and knows how to interview and discuss. I think that this was the show, final conclusion was that if everybody had been below 60 in age the pandemic would have been overlooked, or something like that. Book is Lockdown on Trial.
https://www.ktsa.com/jack-riccardi-just-a-minute-what-lockdowns-really-did/
While it is easy to blame such an large event as the lockdown, it is also easy to find evidence of probable serious harm, some in my own family, and this appears to be consistent with the age damage. All this is ‘blood’ on somebodies’ hands.
1 – We need to get (back?) to a situation where the social media are treated as common carriers. The users’ postings should be their own responsibility. If users have violated the law then the users should be prosecuted, not the media companies. By the same token, the opinions expressed by the users should be no concern of the social media companies. (I realize that’s simplistic but a comment listing all the whys and wherefores would be very long indeed.)
2 – Are the social media backing off on de-platforming people? A couple of the bloggers I listen to had expressed concern that they were about to be canceled … but it didn’t happen.
I fully agree.
We used to have our own blogs, forums, etc. I also have my own email addresses, never using any public ones like Gmail.
We need to take back our internet from the Big Brothers.
It is Past time for Congress to remove Section 230 protections for all the social media platforms.
Details on Section 230 of the CDA of 1996 here: https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230
Joel,
If you remove section 230 protection then sites like this would be sued out of existence due to the large number of defamatory statements about anyone with a dissenting view. Section 230 means that website owners do not own and are not responsible for the comments posted by others.
Then they should not be censoring
Can’t have it all
That is the entire point
Izaak,
– Alex Jones owned his content on YouTube, until he didn’t.
– Parler owned their user database until they didn’t.
– Project Veritas owned their content on YouTube until they didn’t.
– President Trump owned his tweets on Twitter, he even had a Federal judge tell him they had to be preserved (he couldn’t delete a tweet or block a follower) until Twitter deleted his account.
– Anthony owns the content on this web site until his hosting service decides to shut him down because of political pressure.
Once a company decides to become an editor of user content it is no longer a hosting service. But the rules in Section 230 give too much protection to the tech companies that allows them to be both platforms and editors. 230 needs to be replaced, or the tech companies declared public utilities and regulated. They can’t have the freedoms of a mere hosting service whilst they edit and or delete user posted content.
Who’s that on the picture? Alfred E. Newman ?
What, me worry?
facebook sux rox, I would never deign myself to have an account.
Who would have guessed….The Zuck now lets us talk about it because the Regime now says it’s ok. Too bad he no longer runs his own company.
The call for an investigation is an obvious ploy to appease the segment of Left who were hoodwinked into doing Beijing’s bidding.
As if our spy agencies have been sitting on their asses for the past two-years waiting for permission to spy……give me a break!.
Let’s review the evidence again:
1. The Thai and Tiawanese intel services both independently reported that WIV workers were sickened a full month before news of the virus was disclosed. At least three workers were hospitalized.
2. All cellphone activity mysteriously ceased inside the WIV for a two-week period one-month before the news broke.
3. The Bat Woman claims nobody in her facility was infected with the virus.
4. Beijing layered Bat Woman by appointing a military General in charge of the lab after the outbreak.
5. ABC news ran a report entitled “Counting Cars” where satellite year over year comparisons of the number of parked cars at several Wuhan hospitals indicated a nearly doubling of parked cars in November 2019.
6. Dr. Li Meng Yan. Escapes to the U.S. and tells the world her colleagues in Wuhan told her the virus was created in and escaped from the WIV. For her trouble, she’s cancelled by Zuckerberg and company.
7. Peter Duszak is the lead signatory on hastily crafted paper claiming the virus is of natural origin. Subsequently, we learn he funded gain of function research at the WIV. Naturally, it’s no wonder that this same jackass is hand picked by Beijing to investigate the origin of the virus.
8. The report by Duszak et al.fails to locate a primary or intermediate host for the virus but mysteriously holds the WIV blameless. Subsequently, the WHO Director General pans the report as feckless.
9. Other top virologists (with less skin in the game) indicate that the Wuhan virus is of unnatural origin and engineered to easily infect human cells. This fact is crucial, as the alterations render the present form of the virus incapable of infecting traditional primary and intermediate hosts.
After all of this information, does anyone believe that Biden’s permission for our spy agencies to start spying will produce honest results!
The Bat Woman lied and millions died!
Add to those two reports quickly removed:
A video of Chinese in protective gear collecting the relevant bats to be use for research.
And, the report by two Chinese doctors that their investigation could find no evidence of the relevant bats being sold in the “wet market” near the lab.
For evidence see the Li-Meng Yan Papers:
“Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route” Li-Meng Yan (MD, PhD), Shu Kang (PhD), Jie Guan (PhD), Shanchang Hu (PhD) Rule of Law Society & Rule of Law Foundation, New York, NY, USA https://zenodo.org/record/4028830
SARS-CoV-2 is an unrestricted bioweapon: A truth revealed through uncovering a large scale organized scientific fraud, Yan, Li-Meng, Oct 8, 2020 Zenodo
http://gnews-media-offload.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/08092744/The-2nd-Yan-Report-2.pdf Abstract Two possibilities should be considered for the origin of SARS-CoV-2: natural evolution or laboratory creation. In our earlier report titled “Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route”, we disproved the possibility of SARS-CoV-2 arising naturally through evolution and instead proved that SARS-CoV-2 must have been a product of laboratory modification. Despite this and similar efforts, the laboratory creation theory continues to be downplayed or even diminished. This is fundamentally because the natural origin theory remains supported by several novel coronaviruses published after the start of the outbreak. These viruses (the RaTG13 bat coronavirus, a series of pangolin coronaviruses, and the RmYN02 bat coronavirus) reportedly share high sequence homology with SARSCoV-2 and have altogether constructed a seemingly plausible pathway for the natural evolution of SARSCoV-2. Here, however, we use in-depth analyses of the available data and literature to prove that these novel animal coronaviruses do not exist in nature and their sequences have been fabricated. In addition, we also offer our insights on the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 may have originated naturally from a coronavirus that infected the Mojiang miners. Revelation of these virus fabrications renders the natural origin theory unfounded. It also strengthens our earlier assertion that SARS-CoV-2 is a product of laboratory modification, which can be created in approximately six months using a template virus owned by a laboratory of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The fact that data fabrications were used to cover up the true origin of SARS-CoV-2 further implicates that the laboratory modification here is beyond simple gain-of-function research. The scale and the coordinated nature of this scientific fraud signifies the degree of corruption in the fields of academic research and public health. As a result of such corruption, damages have been made both to the reputation of the scientific community and to the well-being of the global community. Importantly, while SARS-CoV-2 meets the criteria of a bioweapon specified by the PLA, its impact is well beyond what is conceived for a typical bioweapon. In addition, records indicate that the unleashing of this weaponized pathogen should have been intentional rather than accidental. We therefore define SARS-CoV-2 as an Unrestricted Bioweapon and the current pandemic a result of Unrestricted Biowarfare. We further suggest that investigations should be carried out on the suspected government and individuals and the responsible ones be held accountable for this brutal attack on the global community
The Wuhan Laboratory Origin of SARS-CoV-2 and the Validity of the Yan Reports Are Further Proved by the Failure of Two Uninvited “Peer Reviews” Li-Meng Yan (MD, PhD)1, Shu Kang (PhD)1, Jie Guan (PhD)1, Shanchang Hu (PhD)11 Rule of Law Society & Rule of Law Foundation, New York, NY, USA. Correspondence: team.lmyan@gmail.com
“Opening Statement: A year has passed since the COVID-19 pandemic first started. Its damage so far is astonishing: 127 million people have been infected and, among them, 2.78 million died. These numbers continue to grow at a significant speed, indicating that the pandemic is far from being over. Furthermore, mutant viral strains continue to emerge, and no public policies or treatment strategies seem to be sufficiently effective in blocking COVID-19. There seems to be a consensus that the virus will not be eradicated and humans will continue to live under the influence of COVID-19 in the foreseeable future. The defeat of humans by COVID-19 is for two fundamental reasons. First, SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of COVID-19, is not a naturally occurring pathogen but an Unrestricted Bioweapon. It has designed and significantly enhanced functions and therefore could not be controlled easily using strategies that would normally work for naturally occurring pathogens. It is a product of the bioweapons program of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) government, the network of which includes not only the CCP scientists but also certain overseas scientists and organizations. SARS-CoV-2 was created based on template viruses ZC45 and ZXC21, which were originally discovered in bats by scientists of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The subsequent laboratory modifications had enabled its ability to infect humans as well as had enhanced the virus in its pathogenicity, transmissibility, and lethality. The second fundamental reason of our defeat was that the world was made to look away from the true nature of SARS-CoV-2 and therefore responded inadequately on multiple aspects and occasions. A massive misinformation campaign has been undertaken by the CCP government to cover up the true origin of SARS-CoV-2, which involved destroying data and samples, publishing fabricated viruses on top scientific journals, controlling the narrative of the origin debate through bribed top scientists and organizations, amplifying the falsified natural origin theory through media control, labeling all other origin theories as “conspiracy theories”, and defaming individuals who reveal the truth of SARS-CoV-2. As a result of the CCP’s efforts here, the true, weaponized nature of SARS-CoV-2 has been obscured and was not known by most of the public.” Yan, L.M., Kang, S., Guan, J. and Hu, S., 2021. The Wuhan Laboratory Origin of SARS-CoV-2 and the Validity of the Yan Reports Are Further Proved by the Failure of Two Uninvited “Peer Reviews”. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Limeng-Yan/publication/350523980_The_Wuhan_Laboratory_Origin_of_SARS-CoV-2_and_the_Validity_of_the_Yan_Reports_Are_Further_Proved_by_the_Failure_of_Two_Uninvited_Peer_Reviews_Opening_Statement/links/6064861f458515e83485d1b8/The-Wuhan-Laboratory-Origin-of-SARS-CoV-2-and-the-Validity-of-the-Yan-Reports-Are-Further-Proved-by-the-Failure-of-Two-Uninvited-Peer-Reviews-Opening-Statement.pdf
“Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route” Li-Meng Yan (MD, PhD), Shu Kang (PhD), Jie Guan (PhD), Shanchang Hu (PhD) Rule of Law Society & Rule of Law Foundation, New York, NY, USA https://zenodo.org/record/4028830
“Abstract The COVID-19 pandemic caused by the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has led to over 910,000 deaths worldwide and unprecedented decimation of the global economy. Despite its tremendous impact, the origin of SARS-CoV-2 has remained mysterious and controversial. The natural origin theory, although widely accepted, lacks substantial support. The alternative theory that the virus may have come from a research laboratory is, however, strictly censored on peer-reviewed scientific journals. Nonetheless, SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic virus. In this report, we describe the genomic, structural, medical, and literature evidence, which, when considered together, strongly contradicts the natural origin theory. The evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 should be a laboratory product created by using bat coronaviruses ZC45 and/or ZXC21 as a template and/or backbone. Building upon the evidence, we further postulate a synthetic route for SARS-CoV-2, demonstrating that the laboratory-creation of this coronavirus is convenient and can be accomplished in approximately six months. Our work emphasizes the need for an independent investigation into the relevant research laboratories. It also argues for a critical look into certain recently published data, which, albeit problematic, was used to support and claim a natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. From a public health perspective, these actions are necessary as knowledge of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 and of how the virus entered the human population are of pivotal importance in the fundamental control of the COVID-19 pandemic as well as in preventing similar, future pandemics.” Li-Meng Yan’s 1st Paper
David,
The links are appreciated. Keep digging, as the world is entitled to the truth.
Preliminary investigations reveal that many Scientists who disparaged the lab leak theory as fantastic claim to have no conflict of interest in reporting their findings/opinions. Yet, the same names are associated with other papers reporting outcomes obtained through gain of function research.
When your life’s work is contingent on research grants for GoF research, claiming no conflict of interest in championing the zoonotic spillover hypothesis amounts to a tacit admission that you are a liar.
Heh, what’s Facebook?
Why do people support platforms that “decide” what they can and cannot say or read? These companies HAVE to be re-sorted into publishers as opposed to platforms so people can sue them…a lot. That is the only way free-speech will be protected.
Also, the people’s data belongs to the people it’s about. Mining and selling people’s private data has to end. I wish companies could not even share my phone number, let alone my buying habits.
FB and the like have managed to get the “best of both worlds”. They enjoy Section 230 protections meant for “platforms”, but they have been able to function as publishers by exercising editorial judgement over their user’s content. That SHOULD remove the protections, but hasn’t.
But, IMO, at least some of that is because there simply hasn’t been enough legal action against these companies. I have seen lots of people censored, but not many try to do anything about it. I kinda get why, but when nobody stands up to them, it reinforces the idea that they can do whatever they want with impunity.
So why suggest China is to blame now? Where are the facts. This sort of thing just sounds like political posturing. This is old news. So it’s news that the gate keepers are now opening the gate on this story…why? So were we in the blame Trump game with censoring to buffer the American people from the truth and now we are getting back to the truth or is something else happening? Unless there are clear facts, I will assume COVID came from anywhere including Wuhan and was emerging in live population everywhere and/or anywhere as early as July 2019. Inevitable pandemics are scary because people are selling the possibility of a pandemic making any pandemic that follows suspect. So we are still in a suspect pandemic. Obviously, it was leveraged to the max by everyone who had power to leverage and benefit from it. So there are tons of people to go after. This sounds like a distraction and miss-direction play by the administration. The only reason to believe that COVID had natural origin was trump, everyone else was clear from the science that a natural origin was highly unlikely. Where was COVID patient #1…? hidden in China?, or were COVID patient #1’s everywhere and anywhere hidden in the big uptick of generic & non-specific coronavirus viral pneumonia in Europe and the US in the Fall of 2019. The latter is far scarier and less obvious than the former.
Jeff C.
Yes, this is political posturing. The why is obvious….the rising tide of global public opinion has shifted in the face of a slew of circumstantial evidence pointing to a lab leak.
The ends are a bit murkier and any reported findings will be influenced by future public opinion weighed against the geopolitical ramifications of blaming China for this pox on humankind.
Additional wild cards include: the degree of culpability ascribed to the U.S., France, and Canada. The amount of bribes and or blackmail key public officials are subjected to by the CCP, Bejing’s ability to control the narrative, and information provided by additional whistleblowers.
Let’s not forget to include, the amount of dirt the CCP already has on sleazy Hunter Biden and his Dad as factors.
Lets also not forget all the BAD news the OBiden administration does not want to head the news every day. OBiden shut down the state department investigation not long after taking office, with apparently no report produced.
Now they want the spies, you know the ones who created the Russia, Russia, Russia, hoax against TRUMP!, to do an investigation??
Who is facebook?
We’ve always been at war with Eastasia, Winston…
I always suspected it was a CIA, MI6 spy platform. I never used it once. Not that I’m behaving nefariously, but they can take anything you say and use it against you.
Too true.
The ‘five eyes’ love social media, they don’t even have to practice surveillance any more!
Apparently, a criminal was recently convicted because he made a post about some cheese, and his hand was in the photo. Police examined the photo and got his fingerprints and worked out who he was.
I may be paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?
Can we speculate about dragging these bastards into the public square and flogging them? Or at least putting them in stocks and throwing tomatoes at them?
Tinned tomatoes ?
A10 catering tins
It’s amazing how Biden turns the knob and so many things happen.
Oh well
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There are two interesting aspects to this situation.
First, when Trump and Pompeo voiced the WIV lab leak possibility based on what they had seen, it was treated by the media as a conspiracy theory. Now that Biden says it (because increasingly likely true) it isn’t, forcing Zuckerberg’s hand. And as Rand Paul has pointed out, also putting Fauci in a terrible place since he funded Daszak who funded GoF at WIV with the same ‘bat lady’ shut down at UNC in 2014 because GoF is so dangerous.
Second, the Facebook turnabout strengthens the case for removing section 230 protections from it, Twitter, Google, and the rest.
Rud,
You’re the lawyer, so maybe you can help me out here – wouldn’t the best way to remove those protections to be to challenge it in court in the form of a lawsuit over their censorship? Get them to claim the protection, then show the evidence of editorial control as a counter to the argument?
Its not so simple, as the protection was passed into law by Congress. So either have to prove in court that provision 230 was unconstitutional, or persuade Congress to repeal it legislatively. Second route post 2022 by election is probably much easier.
I suppose I’ll have to look it up then which I admit I haven’t done. What I don’t get is how they can claim the protection for a platform and then act as a publisher.
is section 230 that speific, that they’re protected regardless of their actions?
Also, I don’t share your optimism. It’s not like the GOP has a history of actually doing anything about this sort of thing
What about there being proof that that Facebook, twitter and YouTube are stealing from people by demonetizing and deplatforming them for false reasons. This is outside of their editorial actions, actually harming people financially, with possible malicious intent. Discovery would be interesting.
Far better to require that they be treated as quasi government actors with the same restrictions of power companies and phone companies to treat all persons equally with no violations of the “equal footing” mutually required by all States in organic law.
Correction … CHINA FLU because it came from China.
Yes, a probable jurisdictional designation, not a diversitist (e.g. racist) smear. Only people who exercise liberal license to indulge diversity dogma (i.e. color judgment) would infer anything more from it. As for Facebook, perhaps there has been some positive progress and people will no longer be so green to place their faith in their authoritative stature.
Wu-flu.
Correction … CHI-COM FLU because it was created in the WIV facility, “escaped” out of its labs, and allowed to easily spread to other nations by the funding and then misfeasance/malfeasance of the Communist Party of China.
Gordon,
Don’t forget to include Fauxi in the naming; he’s been one of THE most stalwart and dedicated supporters of GoF research; whether here in the US or abroad in China! It’s not just the funding; without Fauxi’s unwavering intellectual support for this research, the virus might never have existed outside of his fantasies!
It should be called the Fauxi ChiCom Flu, or some such; to distinguish it from the other ChiCom generated diseases like SARS!
Except …
Seems COVID-19 may have been circulating in northern Italy unnoticed in July-Aug 2019
In mid 2020, Italian researchers did some retrospective tests on blood samples from a lung cancer screening study.
From July 2019 to March 2020, a total of 1114 volunteers were enrolled at the Istituto Nazionale Tumori of Milan. All the patients were asymptomatic at the time of blood sample collection.
The first positive sample (IgM-positive) was recorded on September 3 in the Veneto region, followed by a case in Emilia Romagna (September 4), a case in Liguria (September 5), two cases in Lombardy (Milano Province; September 9), and one in Lazio (Roma; September 11). By the end of September, 13 of the 23 (56.5%) positive samples were recorded in Lombardy, three in Veneto, two in Piedmont, and one each in Emilia Romagna, Liguria, Lazio, Campania, and Friuli.
anti-SARS-CoV-2 RBD antibody detection according to the time of sample collection in Italy.
In the first 2 months, September–October 2019, 23/162 (14.2%) patients in September and 27/166 (16.3%) in October displayed IgG or IgM antibodies, or both.
The presence of functional anti-SARS-CoV-2 NAbs at the beginning of October 2019 further supports the early unnoticed circulation of the virus in Italy, particularly in Lombardy.
( COVID-19 appeared in Wuhan City, China. at the end of December 2019,)
[ The first surge of positive cases was identified in September–October 2019. Evaluation of anti–SARS-CoV-2 functional NAbs identified positive samples in CPE-based microneutralization tests already collected in October 2019.
Given the temporal delay between infection and antibody synthesis, these results indicate that the virus circulated in Italy well before the detection of the declared index patient in February 2020.
In addition, most of the first antibody-positive individuals lived in regions where the pandemic started. ]
“Our results indicate that SARS-CoV-2 circulated in Italy earlier than the first official COVID-19 cases were diagnosed in Lombardy, even long before the first official reports from the Chinese authorities, casting new light on the onset and spread of the COVID-19 pandemic.”
So, it may have started in Italy & been transported to Wuhan by Chinese workers. (time will tell)
If so, that’ll upset a lot of people who jumped to conclusions of blame & developed lots of conspiracy theory’s, without any real evidence (just like we’ve seen in the climate fiasco), aint research a wonderful thing !
(Interestingly, although the 1918 ‘Spanish Flu‘ H1N1; pandemic originated in Camp Funston Kansas USA. Some studies suggest that the H1N1 virus of North American origin likely occurred in or around 1915 ) Full text – https://english.turkcebilgi.com/Spanish_flu
Full text –
Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the pre-pandemic period in Italy
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0300891620974755
other possibility’s –
https://scitechdaily.com/evidence-of-stray-dogs-as-possible-origin-of-covid-19-pandemic/
https://scitechdaily.com/no-evidence-covid-19-coronavirus-was-genetically-engineered-in-a-lab-epidemic-has-a-natural-origin/
This is horseshit foisted on the public as part of a disinformation campaign orchestrated in Beijing.
Beijing has floated a series of origin theories Including; US labs, India, Singapore and Italy. In the Hope of.deflecting blame for the Wuhan virus.
You sir, are either easily swayed or a shill.
Neither, I prefer to follow the evidence (eventually it will give us the truth).
I know China is now the ‘The Enemy’ & we are told all bad things must emanate from there (it used to Russia) but, just because some empirical evidence goes against your belief, doesn’t make it horseshit.
Why do you think Italians would claim to be the source of Covid, if they could just let someone-else take the blame- do you have a neat conspiracy theory for that ?
We are also told that CO2 is ‘The Enemy’ & all bad things must emanate from it, do you believe that … or the empirical evidence ?
If the evidence doesn’t fit the theory … change the theory.
So let me see if I understand this correctly. Chinese workers become infected by a host,(that has yet to be located) travel to Italy, and then spread the infection to Wuhan and the Wuhan Intitute of Virology where they yup happen to be conducting gain of function research on Bat coronavirus’.
You can’t fool all the people all the time.
The Bat Woman Died and Millions Died!
No Rob, you don’t understand this correctly;
read the findings !!!
Covid was circulating asymptotically in the Italian community in July 2019. Found in wastewater samples & Italian human blood samples.
Large numbers of Chinese workers from the Wuhan area work & live in northern Italy.
So the virus may have started in the West & moved East, or in the East & moved West. We don’t know …yet
From a different study https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.13.20129627v1.full-text
SARS-CoV-2 was also detected in Barcelona sewage from March 12th 2019, but nothing found in human samples … yet.
It may have been circulating for several years mistakenly diagnosed as ‘a bad dose of Flu’, until making a successful mutation & going rogue, much like Spanish Flu did.
Every country in the world with the scientific capability is conducting research on bacteria & viruses, why do you think we got ‘the jab’ developed so quickly ?
Savevergy,
Do you really want to try and salvage this nonsense?
Let’s follow the chain of inferences.
A Horseshoe Bat coronavirus from a bat native to southern China circulates in Italian sewage systems but doesn’t sicken temporary Chinese workers who happen to work in Wuhan to the point of sounding any alarms.
Next, these same workers decide to wait until they get to Wuhan (where Bat Woman is conducting GoF research on Bat coronavirus’) to get sick and infect the local population.
This is beyond fantastic, its patently absurd.
2yrs and they cant(wont) name the intermediate host species
not a snake or pangolin or dog etc or the dna woulda shown in global dna runs
That’s right. Beijing is now pointing fingers at a US research lab.
They a flailing about like schoolboys throwing windmill punches. If the WIV is blameless, why is Beijing working so hard at covering their tracks?
Simon says don’t fall down dumb after all.
Facebook: Leading the way in blow-with-the-prevailing-wind censorship . . .
. . . and exemplifying the lack of integrity of one Mark Zuckerberg.