James Cook University professor Peter Ridd. Picture: Cameron Laird

James Cook University Walks Back Extreme Global Warming Coral Extinction Claims

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t observa; Peter Ridd is right – the Great Barrier Reef is not in immediate danger of dying. James Cook University, Peter Ridd’s adversary in his unfair dismissal court case, has just slightly walked back some of their more ridiculous Great Barrier Reef extinction claims.

Coral count rethinks extinction risk

Fraser Barton  

The global extinction risk of most coral species is lower than previously estimated, scientists in North Queensland claim.

In a world-first, researchers at James Cook University have assessed the number of coral colonies in the Pacific Ocean and evaluated their risk of extinction.

The study measured the population sizes of more than 300 individual coral species on reefs across the Pacific Ocean, from Indonesia to French Polynesia. 

Using a combination of coral reef habitat maps and counts of coral colonies to estimate species abundances, they estimate roughly half a trillion corals in the Pacific alone.

Given the huge size of these coral populations, researchers believe it is very unlikely that they face imminent extinction.

Co-author Professor Terry Hughes stated while the study results have huge implications for managing and restoring coral reefs, it is is not the solution to climate change.

“You would have to grow about 250 million adult corals to increase coral cover on the Great Barrier Reef by just one percent.”

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/coral-count-rethinks-extinction-risk/ar-BB1e7fD5

The abstract of the study;

The population sizes and global extinction risk of reef-building coral species at biogeographic scales

Andreas DietzelMichael BodeSean R. Connolly & Terry P. Hughes 

Abstract

Knowledge of a species’ abundance is critically important for assessing its risk of extinction, but for the vast majority of wild animal and plant species such data are scarce at biogeographic scales. Here, we estimate the total number of reef-building corals and the population sizes of more than 300 individual species on reefs spanning the Pacific Ocean biodiversity gradient, from Indonesia to French Polynesia. Our analysis suggests that approximately half a trillion corals (0.3 × 1012–0.8 × 1012) inhabit these coral reefs, similar to the number of trees in the Amazon. Two-thirds of the examined species have population sizes exceeding 100 million colonies, and one-fifth of the species even have population sizes greater than 1 billion colonies. Our findings suggest that, while local depletions pose imminent threats that can have ecologically devastating impacts to coral reefs, the global extinction risk of most coral species is lower than previously estimated.

Read more: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-021-01393-4

Professor Terry Hughes, whose name appears on this paper, lodged official complaints about Peter Ridd, and in my opinion contributed to Peter Ridd’s dismissal for the crime of being right.

On one hand it is a positive that coral science seems to be edging towards a much needed correction.

But this slight shift towards Peter Ridd’s position, that claims the Great Barrier Reef is on the verge of extinction are grossly exaggerated, in my opinion puts James Cook University into an even more untenable position.

The sooner James Cook University apologises and settles Peter Ridd’s unfair dismissal claim, the better it will be for their long journey back to restoring James Cook’s in my opinion shattered scientific reputation.

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Mike
March 2, 2021 10:12 pm

Given the huge size of these coral populations, researchers believe it is very unlikely that they face imminent extinction.”

AAAaaaaaha ha ha ha ha! That’s funny in so many ways..

Patrick B
Reply to  Mike
March 3, 2021 6:12 am

Still scientific idiots – so if a species has a “huge…population” it is unlikely they face imminent extinction?

That these people are funded by tax dollars is a crime.

Jay Willis
Reply to  Patrick B
March 3, 2021 9:47 am

Still scientific idiots – so if a species has a “huge…population” it is unlikely they face imminent extinction?

Don’t mention the passenger pigeon.- once thought to be the most numerous bird species on earth and killed off in little over 100 years. Indeed these people are ignorant.

fred250
Reply to  Jay Willis
March 3, 2021 4:35 pm

ROFLMAO

They died off because no-one needed to breed them in captivity anymore.

Yes, you really ARE ignorant. !

Louis Hunt
Reply to  fred250
March 3, 2021 6:37 pm

No one needed to breed them in captivity anymore? Are you confusing American passenger pigeons with Carrier pigeons from the old world?

Audubon.org agrees with Jay Willis: “…researchers have agreed that the bird was hunted out of existence, victimized by the fallacy that no amount of exploitation could endanger a creature so abundant.”

Bill
Reply to  Louis Hunt
March 4, 2021 3:26 am

Who’s hunting corals ?

George Lawson
Reply to  Louis Hunt
March 7, 2021 2:20 am

What’s the difference between a passenger pigeon and a carrier pigeon?

Editor
Reply to  fred250
March 4, 2021 12:28 am

I’ve never heard that they were bred in captivity. I think I heard the last one died in a zoo. I agree with Louis Hunt’s comment.

Dennis
Reply to  Jay Willis
March 3, 2021 7:06 pm

Somebody explain to them that coral is living and has life cycles, dying reefs soon replaced with new growth.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike
March 3, 2021 8:23 am

They don’t mention that corals can move around which makes them immune to sea level rise.

Duker
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2021 10:00 am

Yes. In fact they welcome it

Nigel in California
Reply to  Mike
March 3, 2021 9:45 am

“researchers believe”…perhaps, like…Peter Ridd?

Tom in Toronto
March 2, 2021 10:19 pm

What? It’s not “worse than we thought”? These guys are at serious risk of losing their funding.

sendergreen
Reply to  Tom in Toronto
March 3, 2021 9:04 am

The University is going to try very hard (they have deep pockets) to drag the civil case out until the Heat Death of the Universe.

Duker
Reply to  sendergreen
March 3, 2021 10:07 am

The University is facing its own extinction event as the case is listed for a High Court of Australia hearing…the end of the line for any legal warngling.
The HCA in a recent criminal case recently swept away all the arguments on who said what and when and got to the heart of the matter when it said if there ‘was proof of reasonable doubt’ then the accused must go free, a basic tenet of the jury system.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Duker
March 3, 2021 11:51 am

Could it be that someone in the know from the legal fraternity has whispered in the shell-like of someone senior at JCU that they are not coming out of the Peter Ridd case very well and maybe it is time to back pedal a little?
Cynic?
Me?

Duker
Reply to  Oldseadog
March 3, 2021 12:36 pm

Maybe not. The leave to appeal in the HCA is based on pre- prepared specific legal arguments, they generally dont conduct a complete rehearing of the case.
My understanding of the various reports is that Ridd is appealing on the ‘terms of his contract’ only ( It was essentially an employment law case) and that would be on the legal advice – so generously supported by WUWT readers.
The judges would be very unlikely to want to litigate the science of reef rejuvenation , thats essentially non justicable in their eyes.

Mike
March 2, 2021 10:20 pm

they estimate roughly half a trillion corals in the Pacific alone.”

They had to count them all….Now-they-know-how-many-corals-it-takes-to-fill-the Albert Haaaaaalllll…I’d love to tur-ur-urn…you-ou-ou-ou…on..
Counting counting, always with the counting.

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Bryan A
Reply to  Mike
March 2, 2021 10:41 pm

Count Von Count
I am the Count
I love to count
I’m counting every day…
One, one coral, ha ha haaa. Two, two corals ha ha haaa.
Three…

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Photios
Reply to  Bryan A
March 3, 2021 8:06 am

Meanwhile, the queen was in the counting-house,
counting all the money.

Clarky of Oz
Reply to  Mike
March 3, 2021 5:24 am

You don’t have to count each individual coral. You only count their legs and divide by two.

mcswell
Reply to  Clarky of Oz
March 3, 2021 8:34 am

Most corals have a 6-way symmetry; some have 8-way symmetry. So divide by a rather larger number 🙂

Dennis G Sandberg
March 2, 2021 10:40 pm

You suggest, “The sooner James Cook University apologises… restoring James Cook’s in my opinion shattered scientific reputation}.

Do University’s care about scientific reputation? I had not heard that. I thought they were all about protecting their snowflakes from conservative values by institutionalizing a cancel culture. I’ll welcome contradictory examples.

observa
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
March 3, 2021 3:55 am

Well just this once I’d go along with cancel culture. How dare those cretinous political hacks abuse James Cook’s name like that and they should be stripped of it. This about face makes me wonder if they’re sensing the High Court outcome or perhaps with Covid decimating reef tourism they’ve been told to put a sock in it.

Anon
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
March 3, 2021 5:08 am

Scientific reputation?

“To be a scientist is to be naive. We are so focused on our search for truth, we fail to consider how few actually want us to find it. But it is always there, whether we see it or not, whether we choose to or not.”

“In a just world, I’d be shot for my lies, but not for this, not for the truth.”

~ Valery Legasov, Chernobyl

It is scary how close the West is to becoming the former Soviet Union.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Anon
March 3, 2021 6:51 am

I have said this several times lately. Big government is big government. Liberal, conservative, communist, fascist, democracy, etc., they all end up the same. In order justify more and more government, they must exert more and more control over the people. Government will expand into all facets of everyone’s life.

The founding fathers recognized this and attempted to keep government small by using only enumerated powers and the Bill of Rights. Sadly all three branches of government have all been bastardized into thinking they know best how people should live. It has reached a positive feedback powered by the people’s money and adjusted by propaganda.

Reply to  Jim Gorman
March 3, 2021 7:50 am

In a democracy you get the government people vote for, assuming of course that they are allowed to vote, which many in the GOP are clearly trying to prevent.
If the US has big government it is because most of the people want big government. They want jobs and protection from unemployment. They want healthcare for all. They want high quality education for all. If small government and neo-liberal economics worked to the benefit of everyone, then everyone would vote for it. It doesn’t so they don’t.

Monster
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 8:06 am

In the US, we get to vote on a choice of this big government, or that big government. Our government provides none of the items you list, it just markets itself as doing so.

John in Oz
Reply to  Monster
March 3, 2021 4:35 pm

There’s a strong possibility that you (US voters) did not ‘vote on a choice’.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 8:31 am

“In a democracy you get the government people vote for, assuming of course that they are allowed to vote, which many in the GOP are clearly trying to prevent.”

If by that you mean the GOP want each voter to indentify themselves as a U.S. citizen before they vote, then yes, the GOP is trying to prevent illegal votes from being cast in U.S. elections.

There is photo id required for everything else in life. There’s no reason it shouldn’t be required at the voting booth. That’s all the GOP wants.

If you are too stupid to get a photo id, or are physically incapable, then call Joe Biden and the Democrats. They ought to be able to fix anyone up with a photo id.

buggs
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2021 10:23 am

As a Canadian the lack of requirement of voter ID in the U.S. simply boggles the mind. I can’t vote for a school board representative without showing photo identification (i.e. specifically a drivers license with my photo and home address that is matched to the voter record) and being there in person.

Opposition to voter ID is absolutely confusing to me. Why? You can’t buy liquor without ID if the retailer requests proof of age, surely voting for someone controlling the purse strings of the country/state/county is more important than ability to acquire liquor (well, not to me, but you get the point).

TonyG
Reply to  buggs
March 3, 2021 11:05 am

Opposition to voter ID is absolutely confusing to me.

The argument is that it disenfranchises minority voters by making it harder for them to vote, because minorities have a harder time obtaining ID.

MarkW
Reply to  TonyG
March 3, 2021 11:12 am

Of course the idea that it is harder for minorities to get ID is absolutely ridiculous.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2021 11:20 am

Not only is it ridiculous, it’s disgustingly racist.

Look at the videos of young college leftists talking about it – they explain how black people are less capable than white people of getting IDs – all the while wallowing in how they are “fighting racism” by opposing voter ID.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TonyG
March 3, 2021 7:20 pm

“because minorities have a harder time obtaining ID”

That is the claim by the Democrats but it is ridiculous and I don’t believe it for a minute.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 4, 2021 12:40 am

What the Dems say, and what they believe are often two very different things …

YallaYPoora Kid
Reply to  TonyG
March 3, 2021 11:55 pm

Why? Why should a minority person not have an ID?

TonyG
Reply to  YallaYPoora Kid
March 4, 2021 7:34 am

Why? Why should a minority person not have an ID?

*I* don’t understand the “reasoning” but those opposing voter ID seem to think that minorities are inherently less capable of GETTING ID.

george lanham
Reply to  TonyG
March 5, 2021 4:43 pm

Because they all look alike.

Graemethecat
Reply to  TonyG
March 4, 2021 2:52 am

Ah, the soft racism of low expectations!

Photo ID is required to board a plane in the US, so, according to you, airlines discriminate against minorities.

TonyG
Reply to  Graemethecat
March 4, 2021 7:31 am

Not according to me, according to those making the racist argument.

MarkW
Reply to  buggs
March 3, 2021 11:11 am

Voter ID makes it harder for the dead to vote, and harder to vote in multiple districts. Which is why progressives are dead set against it.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  buggs
March 3, 2021 7:19 pm

“Opposition to voter ID is absolutely confusing to me. Why?”

It makes it easier for the Democrats to cheat. It’s as simple as that.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2021 11:11 am

The US is the only country in the world, in which voting is allowed, that doesn’t have some form of voter ID.

Oldseadog
Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2021 11:56 am

Er, no, in GB I get a voting card in the post with my name on it, I take it to the polling place on polling day and vote. No-one asks me if I am the person named on the card.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Oldseadog
March 4, 2021 6:38 am

Er, that’s not entirely true. I had to show my driver’s license at the recent GE. They also checked me against the electoral roll as I’d moved recently.

Notanacademic
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2021 2:58 pm

I wonder if a photo ID would stop the dead from voting?

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Notanacademic
March 4, 2021 12:43 am

Can one distinguish between different skulls…???

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 9:08 am

it is because most of the people want big government

There could be other factors at work other than government evolving in the direction that “most” want. Even so, in a constitutional republic, the rights of the minority are supposed to be protected. Even allowing for the possibility that “most” want the things that come with big government, it is unconstitutional if it treads on the rights of the others.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 9:59 am

Most people don’t want big government specifically. A majority of people believe that government can solve all problems, including social and economic, so they tend to vote for politicians that promise they will solve their pet problem (of which there are many). This just tends to have the effect of growing government in order to address all these problems, many of which are actually created by government actions.

No system of government can work to the benefit of everyone, so if that is your standard, no system can ever work.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Paul Penrose
March 3, 2021 7:23 pm

Those in big cities are more dependent on government and so expect the government to take care of their needs.

More rural people depend more on themselves and don’t see government as a necessity to live their lives.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 11:02 am

You’re clearly a very confused dude, and not much of a detective.

assuming of course that they are allowed to vote, which many in the GOP are clearly trying to prevent.

No one in the GOP is trying to prevent anyone from voting. People are trying to prevent obvious voter fraud.

MarkW
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 11:10 am

If the people want to bring back slavery, no one has a right to stop them.

Everyone who is legally entitled to vote, already has the ability to do so.
What the Democrats want to do is to ensure that those who are not legally entitled to vote are also allowed to vote, as many times as they want.

Government doesn’t protect jobs, it destroys jobs.
What they want is free healthcare, paid for by evil rich people.
What they want is free education, paid for by evil rich people.

Under small government, people have to pay for the stuff they want themselves, which is why liberals hate it.

Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2021 12:38 pm

“Under small government, people have to pay for the stuff they want themselves, which is why liberals hate it.”

That’s the problem with Americans. They don’t know what liberalism is. That is why so many are politically illiterate and confused.
Socialists are not liberals, and they are certainly not communists. Liberals do not favour big government. Social democrats do.
Even the US parties don’t know what they stand for. 190 years ago the Democratic Party was to the right of where the GOP Tea Party is today.

Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 12:27 pm

Strange that most of these replies focus on voter ID even though there is and no evidence of widespread voter fraud and never has been. But we aren’t just talking about voter ID though, are we?
There is the gerrymandering of district boundaries, restricting voting times, restricting the number of ballot boxes and polling stations in certain areas, restricting voting methods, removal of legitimate voters from the electoral rolls etc. etc. etc.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 7:26 pm

“There is the gerrymandering of district boundaries, restricting voting times, restricting the number of ballot boxes and polling stations in certain areas, restricting voting methods, removal of legitimate voters from the electoral rolls etc. etc. etc.”

You have all the leftwig memes down pat. Lots of unsubstantiated claims there. Saying it is so doesn’t necessarily make it so.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 4, 2021 6:41 am

You say “no evidence of widespread voter fraud”? So you admit fraud has taken place?

https://wgxa.tv/news/local/georgia-sos-35-voter-fraud-cases-referred-for-criminal-prosecution

Tony Sullivan
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 2:41 pm

If minority voters are having such a hard time getting basic identification from the respective states they live in, how have they been buying liquor all these years? Gotta have ID to buy liquor…but maybe all those minority voters simply don’t drink…LOL, yeah, right.

Jean Parisot
Reply to  Climate Detective
March 3, 2021 7:59 pm

Do I get a USB stick at 3AM to vote with?

Monster
Reply to  Jim Gorman
March 3, 2021 8:01 am

I find it ironic that with all of our tech and engineering, there is actually *less* need for government than ever before, but it has progressively bloated so as to cause the “needs” and problems that it now uses to justify its existence. I, personally, get almost no service from any government besides my local government, and very little of that, save roads.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Monster
March 3, 2021 8:33 am

It’s time for the various States to challenge the “Interstate commerce” provisions of the law which allow the federal government to encroach on the freedoms of the various States.

John Dilks
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 3, 2021 9:31 am

Start with removing the ATF from being able to do anything inside of a state, then defund them. We don’t need them for Alcohol because it is no longer prohibited. We don’t need them for Tobacco, the states can handle that or the Agriculture Department. We don’t need them for Firearms, because of the 2nd Amendment.

Notanacademic
Reply to  Monster
March 3, 2021 3:56 pm

Your lucky if you get roads, where I live in the UK we used to drive on the left of the road, now we drive on what’s left of the road.

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Notanacademic
March 4, 2021 12:55 am

That’s how politically left Governments do things. But don’t worry, they’ll solve the problem: not by fixing the road, but by confiscating all cars…

lbeyeler
Reply to  Jim Gorman
March 5, 2021 7:36 am

Sadly all three branches of government have all been bastardized into thinking they know best how people should live.

I’ve just read a nice article in focus.de that reminded me of your comment.

Google translate does quite a job, I think:

The 41-year-old lawyer emphasizes that it is remarkable how calmly the citizens “endured the many and great transgressions of all three branches of state, those of the government and parliaments as well as those of the courts” during the pandemic. Schleif: “Many seem to have forgotten that the citizen is the sole sovereign of this country. Government, legislation and justice are only the servants of this sovereign. “

Streetcred
March 2, 2021 10:42 pm

Not to mention that their insitu ‘research’ of the reef was a load of baloney in the first place.

March 2, 2021 10:42 pm

James Cook University would be best repurposed as a Dietary and Food Preparation Technical College.

Bryan A
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 2, 2021 10:48 pm

For a minute there I thought you might be going in a different direction for a moment…something about JCU staff and repurposing as Soylent Green

Polski
Reply to  Bryan A
March 3, 2021 6:07 am

Maybe they already have done that. Considering the sugar and processed food that leads to obesity, diabetes, hypertension they may have already tackled dietary issues. Maybe their ultimate achievement is Soylent Green but they made it plant based!

nickc
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 3, 2021 12:49 am

You just insulted those colleges.

Abolition Man
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 3, 2021 3:27 am

Bovine excrement management systems! They’re already well on their way; might as well bite the bullet take the last steps into the steamy, stinky pile they created!

ResourceGuy
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 4, 2021 4:17 pm

I would be concerned about the food then. Let the administrators go first.

Enthalpy
March 2, 2021 10:46 pm

I am sure they could find (or lose) them tomorrow if they recounted. 1% is a conservative estimate of the std error of their calculation. And did they wait for polyps to mail in their counts that would certainly make a difference.

March 2, 2021 11:16 pm

Half a trillion here, five percent there… The question remains: Did they properly average the corals, and did they extrapolate for the adjustocene acidification? What is the deviation from normal for the averaged coral and what is the cumulative effect of coraliciousness? I need to know!
Can’t do halfway science, you know. Gotta get Ridd of all non-average corals immediately…

lee
March 2, 2021 11:20 pm

Strangely Australia does not figure in the Study. Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, American Samoa, Cook Islands and French Polynesia. (From the Supplementary Information and Supplementary data)

Last edited 4 months ago by lee
Patrick MJD
March 2, 2021 11:21 pm

The sooner James Cook University apologises and settles Peter Ridd’s unfair dismissal claim, the better it will be for their long journey back to restoring James Cook’s in my opinion shattered scientific reputation.”

Not going to happen sadly. There was an article in the media that a “device” had been developed to “save” the GBR. I will see if I can find it.

Found it;

observa
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 3, 2021 5:53 am

It’s not so bad you don’t want to come visit the reef and spend money folks and you can even help out with plenty more grants for some coral planting. The Premier or tourism Minister got on the blower with all the tourist operators peeing in their ear.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 3, 2021 6:21 am

Great, turn tourists loose in the ocean with underwater nail guns, what could possibly go wrong?

Chris Nisbet
March 2, 2021 11:28 pm

I just did a quick search on this Terry Hughes character, and it didn’t take but a few seconds to find this (article dated 9th April, 2020)…

Terry Hughes posted a video on Twitter with a sombre message: “I feel like an art lover wandering through the Louvre…as it burns to the ground.” In a follow-up message this week, Hughes said: “I’m not sure I have the fortitude to do this again. It’s heartbreaking to see the #GreatBarrierReef decline so fast.”

That is one massive change in less than one year.

Phil Rae
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
March 3, 2021 1:11 am

The term “bottom feeder” springs to mind for some reason!

Climate believer
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
March 3, 2021 2:09 am

That is one massive change in less than one year.”

Which makes me wonder why he did it?

Proeng
Reply to  Climate believer
March 3, 2021 2:45 am

He wants to save himself as more and more information comes out that Climate Change is a hoax. He is not the only moving to sit on the fence and say maybe his work was in a too limited area.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Proeng
March 3, 2021 6:23 am

This seems to be the current trend, “New studies indicate it is not as bad as we thought….”

TonyG
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
March 3, 2021 8:23 am

Glad to see I’m not the only one noticing that trend.

Weekly_rise
Reply to  Climate believer
March 3, 2021 9:26 am

He hasn’t made a “massive change.” The paper’s abstract says quite explicitly that local depletion is creating hugely negative impacts to reef systems. This paper is not specifically about the GBR, but about global reef abundance.

“Our findings suggest that, while local depletions pose imminent threats that can have ecologically devastating impacts to coral reefs, the global extinction risk of most coral species is lower than previously estimated.”

fred250
Reply to  Weekly_rise
March 3, 2021 11:15 am

Weakling, You may have noticed that most of the reefs studied are IN WARMER WATERS than the GBR.

You are letting delusional ACDS get the better of you again, thus making your comments trite and meaningless.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Weekly_rise
March 4, 2021 2:58 am

Has it ever occurred to you that the corals are hundreds of millions years old, and have survived much hotter eras without problems?

Stephen W
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
March 3, 2021 6:35 pm

Getting sad about the reef declining is like getting upset about trees shedding their leaves in Autumn.
Is there any part of the GBR not growing fantastically at the moment?
Checking on the AIMS reef surveys for 2021 look like the reef is about as good a condition as ever. Everywhere.

https://www.aims.gov.au/docs/research/monitoring/reef/latest-surveys.html

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 3, 2021 1:49 am

Eric,

I’m afraid this is not the good news it appears.

It is a carefully planted indirection that will be
used by Cook Uni in their defence against Peter Ridd’s 
appeal. Ask yourself the question: why now?

Ridd’s case is that because he told the scientific truth he lost
his job on the pretext of trumped up uncollegial behaviour. 
Cook Uni will now argue that, look it never was about the
science. Hence that they fired Ridd not because he
told the truth but because of uncollegial behaviour.
In other words they moved the goalposts to the other
side of the pitch.

I surely hope Ridd’s council is up to the challenge.

Last edited 4 months ago by Ed Zuiderwijk
Proeng
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
March 3, 2021 2:53 am

Nope! wait for the High Court to rule on free speech and say that JCU acted badly. Hughes is trying to save his reputation and eventually his job. Right now no other University anywhere would give him a job. Already there was a researcher at JCU found to be fudging research data. She returned to Sweden (I think) and has no university position.

commieBob
Reply to  Proeng
March 3, 2021 5:41 am

If we’re being scrupulously fair …

Lack of a university position is by no means proof of wrongdoing. There is a huge oversupply of PhDs so most of them won’t get a university job. That said, she’s guilty anyway (if it’s who I think you’re referring to).

wadesworld
Reply to  Proeng
March 3, 2021 9:03 am

Uh, no offense, but I think you’re way off the mark if you think a few ridiculous assertions or even some shoddy research is enough to keep a university professor from moving to another job.

They move around with impunity, as long as their views are on the “correct” side of the debate.

commieBob
Reply to  wadesworld
March 3, 2021 2:00 pm

Upsala University found Oona Lönnstedt guilty of fabricating data. link

Imagine my surprise when a later John Cook investigation cleared her. link

Last edited 4 months ago by commieBob
commieBob
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
March 3, 2021 5:34 am

There’s a big problem with that.

Given that the alarmist BS that Ridd was criticizing is a matter of public record, all they’re doing is admitting that he was right. Some folks may be trying to look like honest scientists, but the public record is the public record.

It would be really wonderful to see some BS papers retracted.

Ridd’s criticism wasn’t just a minor technical quibble. He was calling out something that looks like criminal behavior.

Weekly_rise
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
March 3, 2021 9:29 am

The judge in Ridd’s case also quite explicitly said the case is not and never has been about Ridd’s freedom of speech being violated, but about whether he violated the terms of his employment contract. The question of whether Ridd is scientifically “right” or not has never been an issue in this case and has never once been brought up as an argument in the litigation.

commieBob
Reply to  Weekly_rise
March 3, 2021 1:53 pm

You’re absolutely correct. Apparently some folks don’t like that.

Notwithstanding the above, Ridd should be protected as a whistleblower. That was also not an issue in the litigation.

If the conduct of the other researchers rises to the level of serious misconduct, and if Ridd loses, that would have the effect of bringing disrepute on the justice system. I don’t know about Australia, but in Canada, judges have to consider that.

Even if Ridd’s conduct violates term of the employment contract, those terms aren’t enforceable if they are found to be illegal. For instance, imagine a judge’s reaction to a contract stipulation says you can’t report crimes to the police.

Weekly_rise
Reply to  commieBob
March 3, 2021 2:23 pm

“Even if Ridd’s conduct violates term of the employment contract, those terms aren’t enforceable if they are found to be illegal. For instance, imagine a judge’s reaction to a contract stipulation says you can’t report crimes to the police.”

I assume this is true, but the bottom line is still that this isn’t a sexy case about a lone martyr fighting for freedom of speech, it’s milquetoast stuff about whether Ridd actually violated his contract or not.

fred250
Reply to  Weekly_rise
March 3, 2021 4:38 pm

The people who he EXPOSED are the ones that breached their contracts, both to the university and to science.

But the university has protected them.

commieBob
Reply to  fred250
March 3, 2021 5:39 pm

I fully agree.

As I noted in another comment, the PhD student who was found guilty of falsifying data in Sweden, has been exonerated by a JCU investigation.

It’s sort of like those investigations that cleared the name of Dr. Mann, who later, by adverse inference, admitted that he is indeed a fraud.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
March 3, 2021 9:05 pm

counsel

Ron Long
March 3, 2021 2:16 am

Eric, just a wild guess here, but maybe the Australian Department of Tourism told James Cook University and Hughes, et al, to shut the hell up? Follow the money?

MarkW
Reply to  Eric Worrall
March 3, 2021 7:43 am

The whole global warming scam was for the money in the first places.
Why would anyone be surprised to find out they were caving to an even bigger wallet?

Lewis Buckingham
March 3, 2021 2:17 am

Watching Silvia’s Italian Table [ABC,Australia] this afternoon, they had Prof Flannery along for the cuisine. He rightly pointed out the complexity of the biosphere and how plants and animals were all integrated. He went on to talk about the GBR and used words to the effect that the effect on him was the same as seeing a relative dying. He misted up and Sylvia remarked on this.
The program quickly switched to ‘luscious custard’ and the problem of ‘what are your custard skills like’?
Now here is a cooking audience, who presumably have yet to even hear of Prof Ridd,or his book, being told the GBR is dying, by no less a person as the old Climate Commissioner.
I look forward to Prof Flannery reading Prof Ridd’s book
https://www.booktopia.com.au/reef-heresy-science-research-and-the-great-barrier-reef–peter-ridd/book/9781922449306.html
In the meanwhile, to balance the custard delights, the ABC could well invite Peter Ridd onto a cooking show, to test his culinary skills.
Perhaps a few reef fishers could expand on the delights of actually visiting this pristine water,
to add a little reality to the debate.
https://jennifermarohasy.com/2020/12/gardens-of-old-porites-without-sharks/

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Lewis Buckingham
March 3, 2021 6:16 am

That sounds like a new niche for old climate clap trap warriors–cooking shows and reality TV.

Calling Dr. Joyce Brothers. It is an opportunity for Michael Mann.

Abolition Man
March 3, 2021 3:56 am

Eric,
Like a cartoon character too far out on a limb, JCU is trying to carefully move back to safety before the intrepid hero saws through their last, remaining support! It’s obvious to anyone with a working brain that corals are well adapted to both higher heat content and much higher concentrations of the mythic molecule; CO2!
When they evolved CO2 was an order of magnitude higher than present levels and temperate ecosystems extended far into current polar regions!
They’ve got to pull back from their previous lies and data fudging before they get exposed; a maneuver many CAGW alarmists are going to have to undertake soon as we seem to be moving into a cooling trend that will reveal that not only does the Emporer have no clothes, he’s got goose bumps!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Abolition Man
March 3, 2021 6:31 am

It will be interesting to see how the CAGW rank and file respond to the message moderating now starting to happen. Some of these people had little in the way of intellectual resources to start with, how will they cope when their entire belief system lies in shatters at their feet?

March 3, 2021 4:18 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/08/peter-ridd-hits-back-at-jcu-james-cook-university-hard/comment-page-1/#comment-2738308

Freedom of speech is under attack by criminal thugs who belong in jail.

Here is a list of those forced from their institutions by global warming thugs:

George Taylor – Oregon State Climatologist

Sallie Baliunas – Harvard University

Pat Michaels – University of Virginia

Murry Salby – Macquarie University, Australia

Caleb Rossiter – Institute for Policy Studies

Nickolas Drapela, PhD – Oregon State University

Henrik Møller – Aalborg University, Denmark

Bob Carter, James Cook University, Australia

Peter Ridd, James Cook University, Australia

Susan Crockford, University of Victoria

Regards, Allan

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/02/catching-the-alarmists-in-a-baldfaced-sea-level-lie/#comment-2884504
 
Honorable mention – harassed by their universities/employers:
 
David Legates, U of Delaware, former State Climatologist
 
Bob Balling , Arizona State University
 
David Deming, U of Oklahoma

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/02/catching-the-alarmists-in-a-baldfaced-sea-level-lie/#comment-2885154

Honorable mention:
Willie Soon, Harvard University – according to a mutual friend, “Harvard let Greenpeace take Willie’s computer”.

A few quotes by Lenin will shed further light on this process:
https://www.azquotes.com/author/8716-Vladimir_Lenin

Truth is the most precious thing. That’s why we should ration it.
[aka “Lie, lie, lie!”]

We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.
[There are many such examples in the global warming/climate change scam – for example, climate scammers call climate skeptics “deniers” and refuse to debate the bogus CAGW “settled science”.]

There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.

Free speech is a bourgeois prejudice.

The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.

People always have been and they always will be stupid victims of deceit and self-deception in politics.

It is, of course, much easier to shout, abuse, and howl than to attempt to relate, to explain.

**************************

mrsell
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
March 3, 2021 8:05 am

Don’t forget about Cliff Mass, bullied because he dare speak the truth.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/13/cliff-mass-victim-of-academic-political-bullying/

Reply to  mrsell
March 3, 2021 5:06 pm

Thank you mrsell.

The irony is Cliff Mass is a “CO2-causes-global-warming” advocate – he is just not extreme enough for the thuggish extremists at U of Washington. Also, he’s wrong.

Facts:
“CO2 changes lag temperature changes at all measured time scales.”
“The future cannot cause the past.”

Nevertheless, he gets an Honorable Mention – harassed by universities/employers:

Cliff Mass – University of Washington

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
March 3, 2021 9:25 am

“The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.”

I think that describes the current activities of the Leftwing Media perfectly.

Sara
March 3, 2021 4:55 am

Geezo Pete, what has gotten into these people???? Next thing you know, they’ll stop making claims about globulll warming and tell us that it might snow in Oz’s deserts.

I’ve heard of stranger things.

ResourceGuy
March 3, 2021 5:47 am

How much was JCU rewarded for its adventure in agenda science?

Jeff
March 3, 2021 6:15 am

In a later study they will state “it’s worse than we thought”, and they will be back to their usual apocalyptic stance. I don’t know why they spend so much resources being anti-science.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Jeff
March 3, 2021 7:06 am

“…I don’t know why…”
Because Apocalysm has been a good fund-raiser for a couple of thousand years, at least….

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DMacKenzie
March 3, 2021 6:20 am

Reconsideration of publishing policy due to a decline in alumni donations, do you think ?

Gordon A. Dressler
March 3, 2021 6:46 am

The outright stupidity of co-author Professor Terry Hughes . . . it burns! He is referenced in the above article by this: “Co-author Professor Terry Hughes stated while the study results have huge implications for managing and restoring coral reefs, it is is not the solution to climate change.”

Gee, I never heard that “managing and restoring coral reefs” was one of the—let alone the— proposed solution(s) “to climate change.”

MarkW
March 3, 2021 7:37 am

James Cook’s shattered reputation can’t be restored as long as the current management is still in place.

March 3, 2021 7:48 am

What’s the big deal. Corals like warm water — so global warming will increase coral populations.

ResourceGuy
March 3, 2021 8:07 am

Squeeze and release–so you can have multiple runs at climate scare instead just one.

markl
March 3, 2021 9:20 am

So does this mean Peter is exonerated or will he still be cancelled for past “indiscretions” along with other innocent people caught up in the Marxist pogrom? The whole “cancel culture” needs a day of reckoning.

March 3, 2021 10:40 am

Sorry folks, it’s too late for the James Cook crooks to try a decent retreat now, they have already won The Global Snake Oil Prize three times to share and own.

Gary Pearse
March 3, 2021 10:56 am

Poker players will see such changes in behavior of a player or his utterances as a huge amateur ‘tell’.

“poker tells … actions, either physical or verbal … players make … that might give away information about the strength of their hands.

https://www.pokernews.com/strategy/10-hold-em-tips-5-common-poker-tells-to-look-for-25433.htm

Note that the ‘walking back’ is badly camouflaged by widening the study to the entire Pacific population of corals of the various types. This subterfuge is to avoid changing their own position directly on the GBR, but if necessary, they can point to this paper to cover bums when real data would proove them wrong.

This cowardly paper can be 100% attributable to the dissent of Peter Ridd coupled with the examinations of key reef locations by Jennifer Morahasy showing The Cook Coral Shnook Center of Excrescence are wrong.

I think the age old method of measuring coral growth by coring large masses to reveal annual growth rates, which was abandoned by the Shnooks (another ‘tell’) and which Jennifer planned to undertake struck terror into their Excrescent hearts. This ‘Bayesian’ tell is a measure of the unspoken collective “errors” of their marxysparxy studies.

“Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we start to deceive.” Will Shakespeare, Macbeth

ferd berple
March 3, 2021 11:07 am

The healthiest corals on earth are ALWAYS found in the warmest ocean waters. While coral does grow in cold waters, these are not reef building corals.

What kills corals is mostly human activity. For example, the crown of thorns. Humans collect the giant triton, which increases the crown of thorns.

quote:
Crown of thorns starfish are responsible for more than half of all coral loss on the Great Barrier Reef. Scientists are looking for ways to use their natural enemy, the giant triton, to disperse the starfish. Source: AIMS http://ow.ly/nKjZ303uQp6

ferd berple
March 3, 2021 11:15 am

AIMS http://ow.ly/nKjZ303uQp6

AIMS is a Commonwealth statutory authority established by the Australian Institute of Marine Science Act 1972.

So, it appears that the Australian Government’s own research institute says that more than half of all coral loss on the great barrier reef is due to starfish. Which is at odds with the notion that it is due to global warming.

The starfish problem is a result of demand for the giant triton shells, which are impressive on display. Often seen on the mantle over the fireplace rather than on the reef hunting starfish.

Most collector didn’t set out to create a problem. They simply didn’t recognize the harm that might result from commercial harvesting.

ferd berple
March 3, 2021 11:22 am

Giant Triton (oceana.org)

The giant triton is a very large marine snail that can reach sizes of one and a half feet long (0.5 m). …

It prefers to eat other snails and sea stars, most notably the crown-of-thorns starfish. Large outbreaks of the crown-of-thorn starfish, which feed on reef-building corals, are known to threaten the health of coral reefs. The giant triton is one of the only natural predators of that starfish. …

Though the giant triton is thought to be a key species in limiting potential outbreaks of the crown-of-thorns starfish, it is collected at many places around the world because its shell is valuable as a trade good. They are often sold in shops or markets in popular tourism destinations in the tropics.

ATheoK
March 3, 2021 1:21 pm

The study measured the population sizes of more than 300 individual coral species on reefs across the Pacific Ocean, from Indonesia to French Polynesia. 

Using a combination of coral reef habitat maps and counts of coral colonies to estimate species abundances, they estimate roughly half a trillion corals in the Pacific alone.”

Using maps and counting coral populations in those maps is absurd.

Meaning their “roughly half a trillion corals in the Pacific alone” estimate is likely short many magnitudes.
Classic how many angels can fit on the head of this pin nonsense.

“The sooner James Cook University apologises and settles Peter Ridd’s unfair dismissal claim, the better it will be for their long journey back to restoring James Cook’s in my opinion shattered scientific reputation.”

Our findings suggest that, while local depletions pose imminent threats that can have ecologically devastating impacts to coral reefs, the global extinction risk of most coral species is lower than previously estimated.

For allegedly walking back their absurd claims, this pronouncement is embellished with far too many immediate dooms and worries. “Ecologically devastating” claim that is pure hubris allows Cook U the deific ability to fantasize coral population counts and simultaneously predict their imminent dooms.

Yeah, riight.

Take them to the Cleaners Dr. Ridd!

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Zigmaster
March 3, 2021 1:23 pm

Of all the claims about the impacts of climate change imminent coral extinction has been the most ridiculous. These coral systems have survived for millennia through all kinds of changing climate conditions but we’re being asked to believe that 2 degrees of warming in 100 years will destroy these vibrant ecosystems. You don’t need a science degree to understand the implausibility of such a claim just an ounce of common sense.

WXcycles
March 3, 2021 3:04 pm

Starfish eating corals is just the tip of the iceberg!

Kangaroos eat the grass, and the Koalas eat the leaves!

In ten years all the grass and leaves will be gone … forever!

It’s a catastrophe!

What if CO2 makes the trees and the grass ‘acidify’ to a pH of 7.8?

10 years … max!

Dennis
March 3, 2021 7:05 pm

Look at how many coral reefs there are west and eastern side of Australia and Asia Pacific Region generally, and then consider that the climate hoaxers concentrate on the Great Barrier Reef Queensland, east coast.

Answer: It’s known world wide and has become a major tourist destination.

Selective deception.

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