Indiana Jones looks on as Vladimir Putin takes a sip from the false grail. Source ChatGPT.com

Inside Vladimir Putin’s Quest for Eternal Youth

Essay by Eric Worrall

Just how close are the super rich to achieving medical immortality?

Inside Putin’s $26 Billion Quest for Longevity

From mini-pigs and organ printing to cryotherapy and genetics, Russia’s president has turned antiaging research into a Kremlin priority

By Bojan Pancevski
May 28, 2026 at 8:00 pm ET

When Vladimir Putin was captured by a hot mic telling Xi Jinping that humans could achieve immortality by replacing their organs, some dismissed the exchange as eccentric small talk between aging autocrats.

In fact, during the conversation at a Beijing military parade last September, Putin appeared to be describing a Kremlin-backed longevity initiative that has become one of Russia’s flagship scientific projects.

Like Silicon Valley billionaires including Jeff Bezos, Sam Altman and Peter Thiel, Putin has long been fascinated with antiaging research. But in Russia, Putin’s quest to stave off decline is now a state priority relying on methods as wide-ranging as organ printing, harvesting mini-pigs and exposure to ultralow temperatures.

Last month, Russia’s government announced that scientists are developing a gene-therapy treatment aimed at slowing cellular aging as part of “New Health Preservation Technologies,” Putin’s $26 billion longevity initiative.

Read more: https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/putin-longevity-antiaging-92dee6e8

What Putin and Xi were allegedly talking about, replacing worn out organs – plenty of people have had organ transplants, and received a new lease of life. But I’ve never seen credible research which suggests aggressive organ replacement extends lifespan, other than the obvious benefits of replacing an organ which has ceased to function properly. But perhaps this is because nobody has attempted to replace all their organs, at least all the organs which are replaceable.

The immune suppression therapies which accompany organ transplantation carry their own risks. I have a friend whose daughter is currently in an out of hospital after a major organ transplant, the doctors are really struggling to get the anti-rejection drug therapy right. And when they do get it right, my friend’s daughter will have to live with a lifelong reduction in her resistance to cancer, the anti-rejection drugs which help the body accept transplanted organs reduce the body’s ability to recognise abnormal cancer cells.

It’s not just dictators who are playing the life extension game. Google may have been early entrants to the game of unlocking the secret of eternal youth. In 2012 futurist and pioneering machine learning expert Ray Kurzweil was appointed to help Google master language processing, which raised a number of eyebrows in the high tech industry. Kurzweil is a legendary machine learning expert – he first appeared on CBS in 1965 at the age of 17 to display his machine learning skills, and is still going strong. But Kurzweil is also a major advocate of the technological singularity and transhumanism movement, and has repeatedly expressed a strong interest in medical life extension. Perhaps his duties at Google go beyond helping to advance their language processing technology.

Kurzweil estimates AI will exceed human intelligence in the early 2040s, and very much wants to be around to see this happen. His prediction is looking a lot more likely now than when he originally made this prediction in 1999, in his book The Age of Spiritual Machines.

Of course, nobody with the money or the resources is waiting around for super intelligent machines to make such technology available to the masses – they want to punch through, use their billions of dollars or in Russia’s case the resources of an entire nation to compress decades of medical advances into an injection they can receive sometime next week.

Before you dismiss it all as ridiculous, there are genuine scientific hints that greater longevity may be possible, and that the first breakthroughs may not be that far in the future.

Caloric restriction is something which can be done right now. Something strange happens to the body when you reduce food consumption to the equivalent of one cheeseburger per day – everything seems to slow down. Rats, hamsters, even monkeys given caloric restriction diets tend to live significantly longer and have less health problems than their fatter cousins. But before you rush to empty your freezer, this kind of extreme diet, bringing your body to the brink of death by starvation, carries substantial risks. Such diets require constant medical supervision to ensure you don’t tip over into a life threatening health crisis. You have to be born with the right genes – not everyone’s body can take this kind of abuse. So please have a long chat to your doctor before attempting anything like this. More information is available on this US government web page.

Obviously life would be a lot more fun if you could have the benefits of caloric restriction without having to starve yourself. One of the most interesting breakthroughs comes close to achieving this – a small genetic tweak which promotes production of PEPCK-C in muscle tissue.

From the US Government national library of medicine;

Born to run; the story of the PEPCK-Cmus mouse*

Richard W Hanson 1Parvin Hakimi 1

  • Author information
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PMCID: PMC2491496  NIHMSID: NIHMS55747  PMID: 18394430

The publisher’s version of this article is available at Biochimie

Abstract

In order to study the role of the cytosolic form of phosphoenolpyruvate carboxykinase (GTP) (EC 4.1.1.32) (PEPCK-C) in skeletal muscle, PEPCK-Cmus mice were created by introducing the cDNA for the enzyme, linked to the human α-skeletal actin gene promoter, into their germ line. Two founder lines generated by this procedure were bred together, creating a line of mice that have 9.0 units/g skeletal muscle, as compared to 0.080 units/g in muscle from control animals. The mice were more active than controls in their cages and could run for up to 5 km, at a speed of 20 m/min without stopping (control mice run for 0.2 km at the same speed). Male PEPCK-Cmus mice are extremely aggressive, as well as hyperactive. During strenuous exercise, they use fatty acids as a fuel more efficiently than do controls and produce far less lactate than do control animals, perhaps due to the greatly increased number of mitochondria in their skeletal muscle. PEPCK-Cmus mice also store up to five-times more triglyceride in their skeletal muscle, but have only marginal amounts of triglyceride in their adipose tissue depots, despite eating 60% more than controls. The concentration of leptin and insulin the blood of 8 to 12 month of PEPCK-Cmus mice is far lower than noted in the blood of control animals of the same age. These mice live longer than controls and the females remain reproductively active for as long as 35 months. The possible reasons for the profound alteration in activity and longevity caused the introduction of a simple metabolic enzyme into the skeletal muscle of the mice will be discussed.

Read more: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2491496/

PEPCK-C helps the body convert fat into glucose. In most mammals, including humans, this is a slow and limited process – humans in particular have bodies optimised to surviving long periods of starvation, so our body is full of limit switches which help tear down unnecessary muscle, restrict our energy levels, fill our muscles with lactic acid when we exercise, and take many other steps to discourage us from burning fat stores.

Mice also have such limit switches. The results of disabling this particular limit switch in lab mice were extraordinary – not only did the mice live longer, but they could run for hours without getting winded. And that lactic acid buildup which causes muscle pain after exercise was barely present in the tissues of the modified lab mice.

The following is a video of an ordinary mouse alongside a PEPCK-C super-mouse.

There was a side effect – the modified mice were hyper aggressive. Star trek fans would immediately think of the fictional character Khan – a genetically modified superman with extraordinary fighting ability, who almost stole the Starship Enterprise from Captain Kirk. But if you’re super rich or an evil dictator, maybe the thought of becoming even more aggressive towards everyone else would seem a small price to pay for a longer time walking among the living.

Before you rush out and demand your shot of PEPCK-C pep juice, so far the effect has only been demonstrated in lab animals which were modified as embryos. Nobody knows how to retrofit such a genetic tweak to adults, in mice or humans.

The impact on society and the global balance of power of a substantial longevity breakthrough such as a PEPCK-C treatment which works on adults would be profound. Not only would all the super-rich start living longer, agents of whoever developed such a longevity treatment would have a powerful new lever to influence others. An offer of a pill or injection which provides an extra 25 years of good health and boundless physical endurance in return for betraying country or government would buy a lot of souls.

In conclusion, we just don’t know how close the super rich and powerful are to lengthening their own lives. But given tantalising medical hints that life extension is possible, that drastically improved quality of life in old age is possible, given that the adjustment required to achieve the first step on this path is simple – increase the expression of a single peptide – and given the gathering synergy of artificial intelligence and medical science, my prediction in the next decade we’ll start to see a handful of super-rich and powerful people looking ridiculously healthy well beyond their time, achieving at least limited success in their quest for personal immortality.

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106 Comments
Scissor
May 30, 2026 10:13 am

Sooner or later, someone will pull the plug.

George Thompson
Reply to  Scissor
May 30, 2026 3:50 pm

Or the trigger…

Ed Zuiderwijk
May 30, 2026 10:20 am

I’m sure there are lots of people who wish Putin had a new brain.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 30, 2026 10:24 am

Maybe you should just get one…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gregory Woods
May 30, 2026 1:10 pm

Db.

SxyxS
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 30, 2026 11:39 am

There are –
as propaganda also works very well outside of the climate realm.

oeman50
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 31, 2026 5:25 am

Have you been talking to my wife….?

Petey Bird
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
May 31, 2026 7:20 am

He still seems to be the most intelligent world leader, even now.

Reply to  Petey Bird
May 31, 2026 7:46 am

Ummm . . . “Appearances can be deceiving.”

MarkW
Reply to  Petey Bird
May 31, 2026 8:23 am

Trying to capture the Ukraine was not a smart move.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  MarkW
June 1, 2026 11:26 am

“Ukraine” not “the Ukraine.”
It is a country, not a territory.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
June 2, 2026 1:21 am

Yes it is. The name is the Borderlands. It has never ever in history been a country.
Soon the region will be Polish and Russian again.

May 30, 2026 10:29 am

It’s not good to extend the life of murderous dictators. They have lived too long already. It’s time for their Judgement.

AlbertBrand
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 30, 2026 11:00 am

Will you agree that stress is a big factor in lifespan. I can’t imagine these people going to sleep happy every night.

Simon
Reply to  AlbertBrand
May 30, 2026 12:59 pm

Depends what makes them happy? If invading innocent neighbouring countries makes him chirpy, then Vlad will sleep like a baby.

SxyxS
Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 2:37 pm

Innocent – which one?
The Nazi- Banderite and Azov Ukrainians who had so many 3rd Reich Tattoos that the MSM couldn’t keep up with photoshopping them away
and in such high quantities “Tattoos” got even honored by jewish entertainer Jon Stewart in Disneyland – but maybe Mr. Leibovitz was part of the Hagannah and didn’t mind.

Or do you talk about the innocent Ukrainians who violated the Minsk agreement from day1(until then I thought that only Americans and Israelis act that way -stupid,gullible me),
and never intended to honor the agreements, as they were only made
“to buy time to arm Ukraine”(Merkel/ Hollande )

Or the Ukraine that, according to OSCE, shot 1500 shells daily into the Donbass before Putin invaded.

Or the innocence of promising peace during the election campaign and then starting the bombing afterwards.
Well Trump did the same – therefore, by American standards, Zelensky is innocent in this case.

Simon
Reply to  SxyxS
May 30, 2026 5:16 pm

No I meant innocent because despite signing the Budapest agreement that meant Ukraine would hand over all its nuclear weapons and in exchange for disarmament, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia pledged to respect Ukraine’s independence, in return for not being attacked. But, the scumbag warmonger Putin lied and attacked anyway. Pretty dirty don’t you think?

Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 5:51 pm

Perhaps one should factor in the Minsk Accords violated by NATO. The West is hardly blameless in that regard.

Simon
Reply to  Mark Whitney
May 30, 2026 5:55 pm

Except Nato never violated the Minsk accords. NATO was never a signatory, nor were they a party bound by the agreement’s terms.

Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 7:48 pm

So you think the Minsk Accords were “only a suggestion”.. right !!

Reply to  Simon
May 31, 2026 6:21 am

I stand corrected. NATO nations that were members of the OSCE, such as Germany under Angela Merkel, who openly admitted that they never intended to observe the agreement, and Victoria Newland of the US, who likewise participated in said violation. These agreements were facilitated in bad faith by NATO member nations.

Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 7:55 pm

Again, The FACTS will set you free…

It was the Ukrainian Azov brigade carrying out cultural and ethnic cleansing (which you no doubt approve of), of ethnic Russians in the Eastern states of Ukraine, that started this war.

Yes, disgusting of Zelensky and his troops,.. wouldn’t you agree. !

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
May 30, 2026 10:13 pm

It was the Ukrainian Azov brigade carrying out cultural and ethnic cleansing (which you no doubt approve of), of ethnic Russians in the Eastern states of Ukraine, that started this war.”

Ahhh no, it was a corrupt power hungry Russian president who is a war criminal to boot, who started this was. He wants what he thinks is his and has been planning for some time to take it…. which is why he tricked Ukraine into handing over its nukes.

Reply to  Simon
June 1, 2026 12:00 am

Azov brigade are rabid Neo-Nazis…. is that why you support their actions?

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
May 30, 2026 11:02 pm

It was the Ukrainian Azov brigade carrying out cultural and ethnic cleansing (which you no doubt approve of), of ethnic Russians in the Eastern states of Ukraine, that started this war.”

You just carpet bomb this space with your factless made up Shite…. “Major international human rights organizations (such as the United Nations and Human Rights Watch) and international observer missions operating in Ukraine have not found evidence that Azov has engaged in ethnic cleansing.”
Your statement is false and classic known Russian propaganda, so why are you spreading this? Are you on the payroll of Vlad?

Reply to  Simon
May 31, 2026 11:53 pm

Again, DENIAL of the facts. !!

Azov were bombarding  Donetsk and Lugansk to silence ethnic Russian people.

This is Azov for you, not even Ukrainians !!

…. surprised you haven’t signed up !

“The Azov Movement is a far-right nationalist network of military, paramilitary, and political organizations based in Ukraine. The paramilitary Azov Battalion component formed in 2014 before integrating into the Ukrainian National Guard as a Special Purposes Regiment. Following integration, Azov Regiment veterans broadened the movement to include a political wing, National Corps, and a paramilitary wing, National Militia. It is notable for its recruitment of far right foreign fighters from the U.S., Russia, and Europe, as well as extensive transnational ties with other far-right organizations. In 2022, the movement came to renewed prominence for fighting against Russian forces in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Mariupol. “

Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 4:35 pm

Ukraine is far from “innocent”… The neo-Nazi Azov brigade has been carrying out cultural genocide in Luhansk, Donetsk and other Russian-ethnic eastern states for decades.. mainly because those states had voted by some 90%+ to return to being part of Russia.

In early February 2022, an army of at least 100,000 of the Ukraine Armed Forces, UAF, increased its long-distance shelling of East Ukraine by a factor of 3 to 5, likely a prelude to an assault on East Ukraine.

Russia then stepped into East Ukraine to stop the ethnic cleansing. That is when the current war started.

Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
May 30, 2026 5:32 pm

Unbelievable. You really are just a Russian BOT…

Derg
Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 6:52 pm

Russian colluuuusion 😉

Reply to  Simon
May 30, 2026 7:50 pm

FACTS.. you really don’t like them, do you !

No, I am not a Russian bot, I just prefer to find the FACTS…

… you should try it some time. !!

At the end of cold war there an agreement made that NATO would expand “no further East than Germany”.

Now look at this chart and tell us who the “expansionists” are, and why Russia is rightly upset with the west and NATO

History_of_NATO_enlargement.svg
Simon
Reply to  bnice2000
May 31, 2026 3:07 am

“At the end of cold war there an agreement made that NATO would expand “no further East than Germany”.”
What agreement. Be specific? I know of no written agreement….. Do you. I say you are lying… Prove me wrong.

This is what I know. Moscow has long argued that Western leaders (such as U.S. Secretary of State James Baker) gave verbal assurances that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward”. Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev later stated this was breached in spirit, though he also acknowledged in interviews that the specific topic of broader alliance expansion was never formally negotiated.

Seems you really are on the side of the lying Russians. Shall we call you Vlads worker of the month?

Reply to  Simon
May 31, 2026 7:22 am

“U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University” (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).

Reply to  Simon
May 31, 2026 11:45 pm

I am not on either side….. just following the facts.. which you have never done.

You seem to be on the side of the LYING Zelensky. Shall we call you Zelensky’s stooge ??

Great to see you admit that the NATO expansion was a breach of faith/gentlemen’s agreement.

Can you really look at that map and DENY NATO expansionism . !!!

Seriously !!

Reply to  Simon
May 31, 2026 6:34 am

Very astute reply.
It is possible to find fault with the leadership of the Ukraine, deservedly recognized as one of the most corrupt governments in existence, and to recognize the oppression of Russian-speaking peoples in those regions where they are in the majority (and who were relentlessly shelled with artillary for eight years), and to find fault with the CIA-orchestrated coup that drove a duly elected leader from office in order to install a NATO/DC-approved puppet and still not be particularly approving of the Russian leader himself.
If there is a “bot” here, it is the one unable to recognize the complexity of the situation in The Borderland.

SxyxS
Reply to  AlbertBrand
May 30, 2026 1:03 pm

Now let’s see.

GH Bush 94
Reagan 93

and then we have
Biden,
Baby-Bush,
Trump ,
all 80 or older,even sexual disease ridden Clinton.

Seems mourderous dic… presidents don’t mind the stress at all
and sleep very well
because the cremation of care ceremony(“the gayest thing I’ve ever seen” – Nixon) works so well,

MarkW
Reply to  SxyxS
May 30, 2026 2:28 pm

Nothing socialists hate more than the US (or Jews) defending themslves.

Reply to  MarkW
May 30, 2026 4:40 pm

Russia is allowed to defend Russian in Eastern Ukraine, but Israeli and USA are not allowed to defend against Islamic terrorists state attacking them for 47 + years… 😉

Loves Putin, hates Trump and America (to a deranged level)..

.. I wonder where SxyxS is from. 😉

KevinM
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 30, 2026 12:40 pm

“He who is without sin [can] cast the first stone” is a famous idiom calling for compassion and self-reflection. It means that before you criticize, punish, or judge someone else’s flaws, you should ensure you are entirely free of wrongdoing yourself.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 1:12 pm

That would mean no one can ever judge anyone.

KevinM
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 30, 2026 1:36 pm

Literally, yes. We can only make a good guess. Therefor the call to self reflection.
Was in response to
“It’s not good to extend the life of murderous dictators. They have lived too long already.”
and might prompt one to consider
“Have _I_ lived too long already?”
Who can judge that question correctly?
In classic Christian worldview the answer was ‘God’.
In 1980s moral relativistic worldview the answer was ‘me’.
In contemporary statist/socialist worldview the answer is ‘the science’. ‘The science’ circa 2019 seemed to be an older white male doctor with a New York accent.

George Thompson
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 3:48 pm

We’re all guilty as Hell about something or other-it’s the human condition.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 30, 2026 8:12 pm

No, that is not what it means at all, see my above comment. Who knows if there was an historical Jesus who said those words on that occasion, or it it is simply a folk tale from the author of John. But either way, they were not stupid.

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 31, 2026 8:29 am

Anyone who has ever sat on a jury is in violation of that quote by Kevin’s interpretation.

Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 8:05 pm

It does not mean that.

Jesus, in the story, is challenged by a group of people who are about to stone a woman to death for adultery, the traditional punishment in both Islam and Judaism. He is apparently being forced to choose between abandoning the Mosaic Law, politically fatal, or endorsing a punishment which the story hints he condemns.

His reply avoids both of these alternatives by forcing the crowd to confront the inhumanity and gravity of what they are about to do. The effect is to condemn the punishment, but not by just saying so, but by forcing the crowd to reflect on the essential issue.

As a therapist once said (like all good one, moonlighting as an ethical adviser): righteous indignation is the most spiritually dangerous emotion we can feel.

That is what it means, You will read the Koran cover to cover without finding anything like it. As you will also not find St Paul on Charity, or the Sermon on the Mount. Or Ecclesiastes for that matter, or Ruth, or the Song of Solomon.

8 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Reply to  KevinM
May 31, 2026 7:55 am

You have misinterpreted that “famous” (your characterization) idiom. It says NOTHING about compassion, self-reflection, criticism or judging . . . it only refers to executing punishment.

MarkW
Reply to  KevinM
May 31, 2026 8:28 am

That quote is in regard to sin, it has nothing to do with the laws of man.

Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 10:47 am

I am surprised that we have gotten this far without discussing the marvelous rejuvenating properties of adrenochrome. The drug must be harvested from the adrenal glands of children who are tortured and abused to stimulate the production of adrenaline which is the precursor of adrenochrome. Putin launched the invasion of Ukraine to obtain a supply of children for that purpose. The Russians have kidnapped a hundred thousand Ukranian children. What have they done with them?

[Update (EW) – Walter intended this as satire, read below]

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 10:49 am

I forgot the /satire tag. Sorry.

The adrenochrome story comes from Qanon:
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/pseudoscience/qanons-adrenochrome-quackery

MarkW
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 11:24 am

You have a 5 minute window in which you can edit an already posted post. Hover your mouse over the lower right corner of your post. Press the gear button then select Edt.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  MarkW
May 30, 2026 1:26 pm

I was trying for the effect created by the suspense of whether or not I was serious.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 1:13 pm

Maybe he’s looking for Midichlorians.

May 30, 2026 10:48 am

You can always get hit by a bus. Or a drone.

Max More
Reply to  No one
May 30, 2026 2:13 pm

Yes. At current rates of death due to non-aging causes, you would on average expect to live between 2,000 and 4,000 years. However, we will progressively reduce these causes of death.
https://biostasis.substack.com/p/how-long-might-we-live-if-aging-were

Stan Brown
Reply to  Max More
May 30, 2026 3:48 pm

Yes. But for now, I am glad I chose “Cryonics” for myself, along time ago. Perhaps others may want to look into this before it is too late.

Reply to  Stan Brown
May 30, 2026 7:18 pm

Don’t forget to wear a coat, it could get cold.

Reply to  Stan Brown
May 31, 2026 10:16 am

Why would you assume that someone else is going to take care of your frozen body until some medical breakthrough of restoring cell division to dead tissue occurs?

And if they don’t what will you do about it?

The first Chinese emperor commissioned thousands of terracota soldiers to be created as his everlasting guards in his afterlife and was completely forgotten about until being rediscovered 6000 years later in 1974. Not convinced a cryo facility would be any different.

Mr.
May 30, 2026 10:53 am

If mice are so hardy & resilient, how come the 8 that were given the mRNA Covid “vaccine” purportedly croaked in the “clinical trials”?

Maybe Vlad Putin should summon these rodents to a seance and get some insider-knowledge about how new fandangled medical experiments can off you instead of bestowing the hoped-for eternal life on you?

Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 10:57 am

Be careful of what you wish for: the Struldbrugs from Gulliver’s Travels are a group of immortal beings whom Gulliver meets in the kingdom of Luggnagg. While they never die, they do not possess eternal youth. They continue to age physically and mentally just like normal humans. By the time they reach their 80s, they lose all their teeth and hair, forget their own language, and suffer from debilitating physical and mental ailments. They are considered legally dead at 80, stripped of their property, and barred from holding public office. They live out their endless lives as miserable, peevish, morose, and socially isolated outcasts.

KevinM
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 12:51 pm

Swift did the obvious thought experiment.
eg How much has 63 year old Roger Clemens lost off his fastball
eg How much has 76 year old Bruce Springstein lost off his singing voice
eg How much has 83 year old Joseph Biden lost off his administrative ability

If there were a life extender pill that preserves them in their present condition then all three of them could afford it. If I were ony of them I can’t imagine I wouldn’t buy it.

Plus military dictators, fund managers, university professors, police chiefs, lots of careers where pay and prestige correlate with longevity – these leaders tend not to retire and make room for the next candidate until way past their prime.

George Thompson
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 3:46 pm

I had a long lived friend who got “tired” of just about everything. He was a funny and talented craftsman-a metal worker of the fine arts sort of thing. He just was tired, he would often opine. of all the BS of modern American society-from politics to pharmacy commercials, and so on. And one day he went home, sat down in his favorite chair, and just checked out. No fuss, no muss-he just left. He was perfectly healthy mind and body. As I’ve gotten older I hear that alot…and what’s scary is that I understand it to my core.

Scissor
Reply to  George Thompson
May 30, 2026 4:22 pm

Canada’s “healthcare” system will gladly assist just about anyone in checking out for any reason. No waiting, although a number of issues have come to light of late.

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/compliance-problems-maid-canada-leaked-documents

George Thompson
Reply to  Scissor
May 30, 2026 5:26 pm

Kind of have a problem with state sanctioned suicide, partic. after becoming aware of those “issues” you refer to…too Hitlerian for my taste.

Scissor
Reply to  George Thompson
May 31, 2026 4:45 am

My sarcastic tenor was too strong. The major problem with MAiD in Canada is that it is promoted as compassion but in reality it involves a lot of coercion. This is discussed quite well in the following.

Randle Dewees
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 3:04 pm

There is the immortal character in “Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”. When he realized he is immortal he got really angry. Because he had lived so long, he was immensely wealthy and could afford a luxurious spaceship in which he traveled space and time forever so he could insult every living being that ever was or will be.
He called Dent “a real ankle biter”

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 7:19 pm

Sounds like Joe Biden.

gyan1
May 30, 2026 10:57 am

Biological immortality could be possible in the next ten years when AI and quantum computing scale. Regrowing our own organs is how that could happen. We grow entire bodies from an egg. If that process can be applied to regeneration and reverse the aging of telomeres, the cells in our bodies being replaced every 7 years could become youthful.

KevinM
Reply to  gyan1
May 30, 2026 1:06 pm

Ship of Theseus: A famous ancient Greek thought experiment about a ship whose rotting planks were gradually replaced. It raises the philosophical question: if all the original parts are replaced, is it still the same ship?

If you replace the brain that lived through the holocaust with one that lived on a shelf during the holocaust, then is the body walking around with that brain still a holocaust surivor?

I discovered the ‘Ship of Theseus’ idea when Start Trek Next Generation was a thing. IF the space travelers have a machine that can disappear a person from one location and ‘beam them’ to be reconstructed in situ at any other location, THEN what prevents them from reconstructing a million copies of the original in a million different locations at once? Which one would be real?

The second question gets to the underlying issue. What makes the person real? If you copy Vlad Putin’s exact present thoughts and memories into an exact copy of Vlad Putin’s younger mind, yet both brains are in a living body, then do you now have two copies of Vlad Putin? I’d assume the younger one would kick the older one’s but. But I’d assume the older one would have had the foresight to prevent that. Would old Vlad tell the doctor “kill this me, but only if that me passes a test”? He’d better trust his doctor.

KevinM
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 1:17 pm

How long would an original and the copy remain duplicates? Are ‘Dolly the sheep’ clones that never see each other ever the same sheep? As soon as they have one thought or experience are they not slightly different? Would a young Vlad ‘be’ the old Vlad?

SxyxS
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 3:33 pm

a)
it is not the same ship.
If you replace the rotting parts and conserve those rotting parts, you can rebuilt the original ship with them if you replaced the parts in an early rot stage.
It’ll be just like the movement of St Joan of Arc Chappel from Rhone to Long Island to Milwaukee (just more lengthy and extravagant).
And as there can only be one original it has to be this one.

A fake original also wouldn’t cause a certain time travel problem.
= if you move an original object back in time and it collides with its younger twin,
then it may cause some effects when the same atoms gets in contact with each other.
If you use a replacement object such a thing can’t happen – because they are different things with totallydifferent atoms.

Heraclit explained it the best : “A man cannot step into the same river twice”.

b)The massive increase in complexity is what “prevents”
the Star Trekkies from making a copy.
While the beam is a supercomplex impossibility it is a cake compared to a copy,
As a beam has a full set of atoms and only needs to mirror?/ projects them elsewhere.
All coordinates of every single atom are known and can be reintegrated as they have been desintegrated.
A reproduction needs to absorb atoms from all kind of different places and dead matter, and then combined in the right way.
It would be way easier to just clone this person a million times and then beam it.

KevinM
Reply to  SxyxS
May 30, 2026 4:11 pm

“It would be way easier to just clone this person a million times and then beam it.”

Yet they were beaming people up and down every episode. I accept “There can only be one” for Star Trek and The Highlander (worst sequel of all time) as plot devices, but your answer using Trek physics assumes an unnatural limitation to eliminate the problem: The original must be destroyed for the copy to be created. Why?

Scissor
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 4:30 pm

Vlad’s double turns out to be just as sadistic but is also a self loathing gay rapist.

gyan1
Reply to  KevinM
May 31, 2026 1:28 pm

Nothing is ever “the same ship”. Change is the most fundamental aspect of existence. Believing in a fixed view of self or anything is denial of a basic essence of reality. Evolution requires growing beyond rotting planks.

gyan1
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 31, 2026 1:33 pm

The object isn’t to make telomere’s longer. It’s to prevent the shortening which is a primary mechanism for aging.

gyan1
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 31, 2026 6:42 pm

“I suspect longer or prevent shortening are functionally equivalent – both lead to increased cancer risk”

How so? The number of telomeres we have when young are optimal for the best health. Shortening is directly related to poorer health outcomes and is a causative mechanism for cancer. Lengthening is a different process than preventing the shortening during cell division.

gyan1
Reply to  Eric Worrall
June 1, 2026 9:38 am

Why are you not understanding that nothing in any of my comments suggests lengthening? Preventing the shortening which leads to decay and death when cells can no longer divide is the goal not lengthen.

MarkW
May 30, 2026 11:22 am

Dieting doesn’t make you live longer, it just seems that way.

Scissor
Reply to  MarkW
May 30, 2026 4:26 pm

Married folks live the longest.

rtj1211
May 30, 2026 11:29 am

Question to ask about those mice is how they do under conditions of starvation. Seeing that the control set grew up at times where surviving starvation was a genetic advantage, do the new runners also survive starvation well, or will their superior running ability allow to run far enough to find places where food is more plentiful?

Mice living in labs may not have too much relevance for mice living in the wild, you know. Because the world is not living the sort of controlled existence imposed in a lab by scientists.

Not yet anyhow. Maybe Thiel et al want humans reduced to that kind of laboratory life, after all?

May 30, 2026 11:34 am

Human hubris knows no bounds. In the words of the great Mississippi Fred McDowell, “But when the Lord gets ready, you got to move.”

ResourceGuy
May 30, 2026 11:47 am

How many cooks and taste testers work in the palace anyway?

ResourceGuy
May 30, 2026 11:51 am

Maybe plant the idea with Putin that some agenda climate scientists are also excellent in the bioscience labs and he should try some of their potions.

KevinM
May 30, 2026 12:38 pm

In USA, bodies often outlive brains.
First solve senility.

Scissor
Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 4:35 pm

Hard to believe, but in Canada they even botch some assisted suicides.

Reply to  KevinM
May 30, 2026 4:45 pm

bodies often outlive brains.”

They are called “Democrats”… .. what’s the expression.. “use it or lose it” !

Jeff Alberts
May 30, 2026 1:09 pm

The immune suppression therapies which accompany organ transplantation carry their own risks. I have a friend whose daughter is currently in an out of hospital after a major organ transplant, the doctors are really struggling to get the anti-rejection drug therapy right. And when they do get it right, my friend’s daughter will have to live with a lifelong reduction in her resistance to cancer, the anti-rejection drugs which help the body accept transplanted organs reduce the body’s ability to recognise abnormal cancer cells.”

No offense, but I’m sure these world leaders and billionaires have access to much better doctors and tech than an Aus hospital.

Walter Sobchak
May 30, 2026 1:24 pm

One parting shot: Ecclesiastes Ch 9 V 11:

Again I saw that under the sun the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, nor bread to the wise, nor riches to the intelligent, nor favor to the men of skill; but time and chance happen to them all.

[12] For man does not know his time. Like fish which are taken in an evil net, and like birds which are caught in a snare, so the sons of men are snared at an evil time, when it suddenly falls upon them.

Bob
May 30, 2026 1:55 pm

Well one benefit would be that Putin will live to see his downfall.

Max More
May 30, 2026 2:11 pm

If Putin is pushing life extension research, at least he is doing one good thing.

Ray Kurzweil told me a couple of months ago that he is no longer at Google.

Real life extension may take decades. I’ve been following the field closely for almost 50 years and we have not made any progress in extending maximum lifespan and only modest progress with average lifespan. There is a lot of exciting work going on and far more funding than before, so we may see major progress. However, my long history of observing disappointments does not make me optimistic that it will arrive in time for me (I’m 62). That’s why I plan to be put into biostasis (which includes cryopreservation) so I have a chance of benefiting from future, more advanced biotech.

Max More
May 30, 2026 2:19 pm

Calorie restriction works in many, many species. In humans? Not so much. If you did severe calories restriction, you might gain a couple of extra years. It seems to have an effect based on seasons and so is powerful for short-lived species but weak for humans (and primates). But consider that these mice are kept in sterile, protected spaces. Humans live in the world where the absence of physical reserves could be deadly if you are hospitalized with an infection or accident. Plus, you will be constantly hungry and cold and lose your sexual interest.

Randle Dewees
May 30, 2026 3:14 pm

I worked with a very smart man 1984-1986. He would say “If you live another 20 years you will live forever”. I think he was about 50 back then. He died around 2015.

lewispbuckingham
May 31, 2026 1:11 am

The big problem of Xenotransplants from pigs is the hidden carrier retrovirus intra cellular, despite the pig being declared specific pathogen free.
Once the chemotherapy is used, the virus kills the patient or causes the rejection of the transplant.
With the way Putin prolongs the war he appears obsessed with it, reflected in his desire to look and remain healthy and stay alive.
Recent photos show him ageing.
Like Hitler, whom the Allies wanted to preserve, its better Putin runs the Russian war machine into the ground and breaks his economy.
If replaced a better strategist may prevail.

antigtiff
May 31, 2026 6:43 am

Science does not fully understand everything in human cells – appears to be as complex as quantum mechanics. Clones may be the answer to long life ? Those little creatures – tardigrades – may help find an answer. Some tortoises and sharks seem to exceed 200 year lives. Putin is just another dictator…like Stalin Hitler Mao.

potsniron
May 31, 2026 7:11 am

just two things. I saw Kurzweil on TV. He has the essential tremor shakes on his hands, still in pursuit of longevity. So, his mega supplements must have one missing.
On the discussion Russia vs. Ukraine in the Donbas: don’t forget Putin started the mess by invading the Crimea for getting an easier sun tan.

Steve Z
Reply to  potsniron
May 31, 2026 12:18 pm

Re: “Don’t forget – Putin started the mess by invading the Crimea…”

Crimea is (was) the only warm water port into Russia. Russian Arctic and Pacific ports can be frozen up to six months per year. If Ukraine had shown more flexibility and imagination about sharing Crimea and the Donbass territories with Russia, the completely insane Russia-Ukraine War might have been prevented.

potsniron
Reply to  Steve Z
May 31, 2026 2:45 pm

Are you kidding? Putin sharing? He wants to be the modern Napoleon, Hitler or Alexander the Putin. He dreams of the new Reich of Russia equal to the Soviet Union expanse. Sharing my foot! The whole of Ukraine has historically been a kerfluffle between Ukranians, Poles, Russians, German and Jewish minorities, mostly totally impoverished peasants and deportees to Kazakhstan and back again. Putin says this has been Holy Russian territory for centuries. History bent to his ambitions.

May 31, 2026 7:43 am

To prevent any further deterioration in Putin’s obviously already-defective brain—evidence of such by him being charged for war crimes by International Criminal Court (ICC)—I humbly recommend he cryo freeze his brain in the next month or so . . . no later.

Sparta Nova 4
June 1, 2026 11:24 am

The climate crisis will make us live longer.
Bank on it. 🙂