Guest essay by Eric Worrall
China still has not accepted that shortcomings of their system of government, such as their mistreatment of whistleblowers, decision paralysis in times of crisis, and lack of a free press to expose the mistakes of incompetent officials and politicians, are the main reasons the world was infected with Covid-19.
Chinese Communist Party Accuses Italy of Being Origin of Wuhan Virus
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has jumped on a medical study that suggested the Wuhan virus was present in Italy as early as September to claim that the European nation was the epicentre of the virus rather than China.
A study published in the Italian cancer medical paper, the Tumori Journal, claimed coronavirus antibodies were found in blood samples from cancer screenings carried out in September of last year in Italy, indicating that there may have been coronavirus contact earlier than first believed.
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The dictatorship in Beijing was quick to seize upon the study, however, with Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian, suggesting that the virus may have originated outside of China.
“This once again shows that tracing the virus’s source is a complex scientific question that should be left to scientists. [It] is a developing process that can involve multiple countries,” Mr Zhao said.
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Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/11/22/china-accuses-italy-of-being-the-origin-of-the-wuhan-virus/
This is not the first time the Chinese Government’s apparent inability to accept responsibility or tell the truth about internal problems has led to deaths.
China also allegedly attempted to cover up the SARS outbreak in 2003. Thankfully in that case the disease outbreak was rapidly contained, despite the Chinese Government’s foolishness. The deadly 2003 strain was much easier to detect than Covid-19, because the infectious period was accompanied by an easily detected low grade fever.
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Judging from the number of cases and deaths I’d say NYC was the origin.
Maybe Elmhurst hospital in Queens, although the timeline doesn’t seem to fit. But if ballots can be returned before they are even mailed to voters, then I suppose it’s possible.
It is clear that this virus moved in sync with the flu season, behaved just like a member of the flu season and left for the summer. Now, a new salad of viruses has arrived and, with a crappy PCR test that is not fit for purpose and detects just about anything, we have lots of new false positive “cases.” You are not ac”case” unless you are ill and not a Covid-19 case unless the specific virus can be tested for—as no such test exists, no one has Covid-19. It’s a myth.
Sure, there were one or more viruses out there that caused a variety of symptoms that were cobbled together to be the C-19 syndrome, but no one anywhere has identified a single virus that has been isolated, cultured, and shown to cause these symptoms. This is why it is a myth.
Charles, are there “lots of false positives” or are they all false because “no such test exists”?
Are you saying it is impossible to test specifically for Covid-19 because PCR tests are always flawed or are you saying PCR tests per se are ok, its just impossible in this case because there is no such thing as Covid-19 Rna to have a test for?
You’re making some brave calls there. It would be easy to accuse you of making this stuff up, but before I do, do you have any training or experience in virology or epidemiology? Can you point me towards a credible source of supporting evidence for your claim – “no such test exists”?
Was Lewandowsky right after all? Are all climate skeptics conspiracists? Reading all US voting and covid comments, it certainly appears so.
Conspiracies like the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit?
The FBI, Russia, and the Trump circus?….. no?… all legit?
Live in your world of Unicorns and Rainbows and take your dose of Soma if you like, but I prefer to remain skeptical of all governments and associated institutions diktats.
Climate believer, It has become too hard to distinguish the “Media Matters” Soros funded Tools from the Public School indoctrinated Fools.
Loydo is definitely the former but Hans strikes me as the latter. Either way you have to marvel at how proficient these safe zone “Campus Curriculum Clowns” have become at projection.
I’ll take Left wing conspiracy theories for 100 Alex.
Some researchers ran the base sequences used for the PCR tests in several countries through a database search application, and found they matched sequences found in about 100 other microbes.
Do you have a link please.
Not the link you’re looking for but still a good article about the tests.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
Higley’s “myth” has now filled the ICU beds in three states.
https://covidactnow.org/?s=1360346
Where is the context PCR tests and ICU beds ?
Ever heard about ct in the context of these tests ?
Loydo, when I worked part-time in a hospital decades ago, the ICU was typically filled or mostly filled all the time. Rarely when necessary, ICU patients were put in regular rooms and/or in isolation. Occasionally regular patients were even temporarily put in hallways during bad flu-seasons. This kind of situation was serious, but wasn’t fear-mongered like now.
I can’t wait to hear Chris Cuomo announce that on CNN. ha ha ha ha
A question of course is how reliable is the identification of the antibodies discovered in Italy. Are they specific to Cov-19 or are they generic?
Genetic drift in some components of SARS-CoV-2 has already been noted, particularly in high density breeding mammal populations. More than 100 Million mink have been extirpated, 15 Million in Montana alone.
What’s the source for the count in Montana? I was able to find some counts for Utah – approx 10,000, so 15M sounds way over the top.
and why?
unless the mink get it FROM human workers on close penned farms, leave the poor things alone.
Right. The efficacy of the PLA PLANdemic is well documented. The PLA steps up for another serving enabled by their legacy media fellow travelers – wannabe tyrants. The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
My hunch is CCP a global disinformation campaign will ramp up through January, including with real internet offensive botnets activated to run DDS and virus attacks as the planned date of PLA-Taiwan Invasion approaches.
WHO admits China never reported the existence of coronavirus outbreak
The World Health Organization backtracked on its assertion that the Chinese government alerted the United Nations agency about the coronavirus outbreak.
The WHO quietly updated its “Timeline of WHO’s response to COVID-19” on Tuesday following the House Foreign Affairs Committee Republicans’ mid-June Interim Report on Origins of COVID-19 Pandemic (led by ranking member and China task force Chairman Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas), which concluded that “despite public reporting to the contrary … China never notified the WHO about the outbreak in Wuhan.” The change was spotted by McCaul and first reported by the Washington Free Beacon.
“I’m glad to see the WHO and the Chinese Communist Party have both read my interim report on the origins of the pandemic and are finally admitting to the world the truth — the CCP never reported the virus outbreak to the WHO in violation of WHO regulations,”
The WHO deserves the CCP snd visa versa.
Just as the USA deserves what it is about to get. Unfortunately that will include the UN, WHO and CCP
Interesting how many of those deadly respiratory diseases come from China? Is someone attacking the Chinese with bioweapons, or are they playing with them? Or both?
The Chinese character for family contains a pig inside a house. It wasn’t just symbolic. People and animals there often live together in congested conditions.
It’s very modern in the cities and not like that now, but the countryside is still very much the same as it was. Also, yes bioweapons are studied like just about in every major country.
The American character for family contains a dog or cat inside a house.
“People and animals there often live together in congested conditions.”
Maybe you missed that part.
Non-sequitur, idiot!
We don’t share rhinoviruses with our pets?
There’s an American “character” for family? Do you know what the word means, in the context of “chinese character”? “Cause I don’t think you know what it means. Perhaps you can direct us to this “American character” of which you speak.
The Chinese also have a cultural bias for very freshly prepared foods. Walk down any large city food market and there will be rows of living creatures waiting to be eaten with the barest possible preparation. Anything from scorpions to a host of sea creatures, and these in the tourist-trodden areas, not the Hutong back alleys which cater to natives with more exotic tastes.
I don’t see how Covid is really that deadly. Deadly for some of advanced age with underlying health issues, but a very high survival rate for those with no underlying health issues. For example, the survival rate for a 70-79 y/o with no underlying health issues is 99.5%. So it seems to me it’s more about a person’s health than viral pathogenesis.
As someone with multiple substantial health conditions but a reasonable life expectancy providing I don’t catch Covid I’m a bit less reassured by this ;-).
IMO, you need to get in touch with Dr. Borody.
I see it as being an opportunistic little creation that gets its virulence from its incredibly compact and durable packaging. It needs a pre-existing malady and/or weak immune response to be life-threatening, just like pneumonia or seasonal flu.
I can remember several times that I have lost my olfactory sense due to severe sinus infections and therefore couldn’t taste normally. I don’t find that symptom to be new or surprising given that the sinuses are the primary infection site. The chronic headache symptoms are also associated with having had a severe infection and persistent swelling, or so my ENT doctor tells me.
Nuke the ChiComs
Are you really that stupid ?
Exactly . . . nobody knows how the radiation from nuclear weapon explosions will mutate COVID-XX and whatever other biological weapons are being developed in those BSL-4 “research” labs in China. 🙂
If the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s BSL-4 lab was conducting dangerous gain-of-function work to engineer a vaccine against a possible future NATURAL outbreak of COVID-like virus, it has been an utter failure . . . if, instead, its purpose was to develop a biological weapon to use against humans, it has been shown to be an outstanding success.
Do you think this is the last pandemoc the CCP has planned for the world?
What did you say about being stupid?
General MacArthur wanted to. Truman sacked him in response. What preiscence! Sigh. We would have had a much better world. Although, hindsight is only to be remembered.
Is China or Italy the cause or effect? Italy does have a large Chinese immigrant population. What is the epidemiological analysis of socially… physically proximate populations? That said, if nothing else, there seems to be a consensus that this virus is not naturally sourced. Perhaps a precursor to a vaccine that escaped prematurely into the environment.
Hmm, an interesting point.
Saying the virus came from Italy does not necessarily absolve China. It could have been developed in another country and planted in Italy.
The ONLY consensus is that the virus is not similar to Monsanto stuff, like Bt or enhanced or Roundup Ready GMO crop. There is no sign of gene insertion like crop corporations do.
The largest Chinese population in Europe is in Italy with direct connections to Wuhan. See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/02/italys-biggest-chinese-community-clashes-with-police-near-florence.
Consensus by political hacks only. You certainly won’t find that in the scientific literature. If scientists have been consistent on anything, it is that this virus was natural and caused by viral recombination.
To the tune of Arlo Guthrie’s “Alice’s Restaurant” –
You can eat anything you want
At Ji Jinping’s restaurant . .
Mr.
November 22, 2020 at 2:35 pm
Mr. You are what you eat
Very interesting.
🙂
Yep.
I’ll try the outside cuts of just about anything, cooked properly, but I draw the line at eating innards.
Tried sea urchins once. Discovered where my “no go” line was.
Mr.
November 22, 2020 at 5:39 pm
🙂
Thank you.
Really appreciated.
cheers
Witch-doctor FauXi is your server.
I thought that there was evidence that covid-19 was in China as early as September 2019 and from there it was transmitted to Italy. Nothing that the Chinese say can be believed.
No. That is the Chinese government’s point. Italy has now found evidence it existed in Italy before it was found to exist in China.
“No. That is the Chinese government’s point. Italy has now found evidence it existed in Italy before it was found to exist in China.”
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There were round trip flights between Wuhan and Florence I believe daily. And, about 300,000 Chinese residing in the Florence region alone. That virus in some form could have circulated China to Italy and back in a less malevolent form before anyone knew it existed. Italy has the largest population of Chinese residents in all Europe. I believe that CIA has satellite pictures of Wuhan’s main hospital’s parking lot go from quarter occupied as a rule to full in October 2019.
Italy has no open “wet markets” slaughtering forest animals, but I bet lots of undeclared forest meats came back from Chinese residents of Italy visiting home. Watch a few “Customs” youtube videos, they come in U.K., Aussie, Canadian, et cetera versions. What undeclared food gets caught by the officers would turn your gut for three days.
The governor of NY, Cuomo, calls it the European virus so all this China stuff is just conspiracy. Sarc
Now the race is on to be the first country to issue the hastily developed mRNA vaccine!
I wonder if the Mayor of Florence wants to promote a second new “Hug a Chinese Day” ? ?
Open question – is China under lockdown?
My understanding is they are not and most of the ‘Second Wave’ seems to be in the West.
Strange that.
Almost as if someone on the global stage was quite happy to see their geo-political rivals weakened under a sustained economic attack.
Maybe, MSG is the cure.
Totally not under lockdown. I have Chinese friends in China and communicate weekly.
Actually overweight and obese people are much more at risk than thin people. 70% of adult Americans have a BMI over 25 which is the bottom number for being overweight. Asians are far thinner than Americans and Western Europeans. Asians living in America have a substantially lower number of people with a BMI over 25 than the rest of us.
It is shocking how there is such a difference between their weight and the rest of Americans.
It could be that weight is the number one reason the west has fared far worse than the people of Asia.
Huh, china blames italy, the WHO and fauci say china is the best, Dopy Joe and sleep around Harris, Love china and say “they ain’t bad folks”…
Makes you wonder why such vile people are elected to office, the WHO spend 190+ million on hotels and air travel last year, they do absolutely NOTHING, apart from sitting at a table and say “wear masks” take a vaccine 😐 Why do they need over a billion to state the obvious
Doppy Joe is a insult to Dopes Joe Bidim is Wepons Grade Stuped 😊😊
EW,
Be careful of accusing China of “no free press”. It is quite apparent that we in the US do not have one either. Living in a glass house should preclude stone throwing.
JimG1
WUWT is a US website. Free Press is more than a bunch of tired establishment rags.
WUWT is one of the few remaining true free press sites.
Freedom also includes the right to be a freedom hating watermelon. So long as it is possible to to set up your own website with minimal fear of official persecution I think you still have to call it free, even if many media organisations choose an odd way to exercise that freedom.
By that argument, samizdat means that the Soviet Union had a free press.
The reality is that the press in the US, and many other Western nations, runs in lockstep with the ‘green’ communist agenda. The only reason we’re not living in a communist hellhole right now is because the Internet provides a way to work around them.
My point is they do so by the free choice of the editors and to a lesser extent the journalists who work for them. Freedom includes the right to choose to oppose freedom.
As far as I know there is no official sanction preventing someone setting up a new Breitbart or WUWT.
Lets just hope that Freedom continues if Biden, Harris, AOC etc assume the mantle of power in the USA. That they don’t set the state after “climate denial” sites like WUWT.
It might not be a direct assault, but could be indirect pressure to close it down. Perhaps in exchange for continuing Section 230 immunity for Google, Facebook, Twitter etc…..
History shows people, organisations and movements with extremist, ideological messages don’t want platforms around from which they can be criticised or questioned.
yes and also being suppressed by omission on certain search engine parameters.
and antisocial medias
Id expect that to get worse as/if? Bidet n co do get into that white building
Correct – see the grilling of Facebook, Twitter, and Google at a senate hearing recently. Collusion among all three, disclosed tools not known before, and blatant refusal to deliver audits of modified content under oath.
These 3, never mind the New York Slimes (all the lies fit to print) really do believe the government and 3 constitutional amendments are “nice to have”!
And elections? A bad joke.
The disease “flew out of China” to nations wherever lots of Chinese people went in late 2019 and early 2020:
to Italy
to US (especially NYC metro area)
to Seattle
not to Taiwan
Taiwan has good reason to believe the worst about Communist China, and respond accordingly as soon as possible.
So are you saying that lots of people didn’t travel back and forth between Taiwan and China?
I visited Taipei during a SARS outbreak, flying from Gatwick to Amsterdam to Hong Kong to Taiwan.
On the way back;
Taiwan were going all out to contain the outbreak, thermal imagers everywhere, big posters in multiple languages, a doctor in the lobby of the hotel every morning to test whether guests had a fever. I’ve never drunk so much citrus juice in my life.
Hong Kong had a few disinterested looking people wandering about with handheld thermometers. Nobody bothered me, because as a Westerner I didn’t look like someone who had just flown in from Taipei.
Amsterdam had no medical precautions whatsoever.
Gatwick wasn’t even checking passports – there was one incredibly annoyed looking guy reading a newspaper and ignoring the passengers.
It doesn’t surprise me Taiwan contained the outbreak very quickly.
If you were flying in from Amsterdam, they would not need to. EU borders and all that.
Taiwan doesn’t tolerate a constant flow of CCP Chinese in and out of their country for a very good reason.
The rest of the world hasn’t caught on yet.
Doesn’t have to be CCP Chinese. I have read that lot’s of Taiwanese Chinese work in mainland China. They were traveling back and forth before an outbreak was detected.
In northern Italy the fashion manufacturing center is and was populated by thousands of Chinese seamstresses who regularly travelled back and forth from China.
I think Joe Bidim will agre with that
You will not have to worry about Biden much longer
Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell:
“Georgia is probably going to be the first state I’m going to blow up … [the filing in the state] will be Biblical”
When she hits the courts with a communist plot had been engineered by Venezuela, Cuba, China, Hugo Chavez, George Soros and the Clinton Foundation to rig the election. She also alleged that Dominion “can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump and flip them to President Biden.
Biden does not stand a chance
She is not Trump’s lawyer, nor is she part of their legal team.
Sidney sounds like a Texas cattleman with a big hat and no cattle.
apologies i misunderstood this trump tweet on 14th Nov
I look forward to Mayor Giuliani spearheading the legal effort Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis, a truly great team, added to our other wonderful lawyers and representatives!
10:11 PM · Nov 14,
Ghalfrunt
Best you read the latest. Trump and “hands down his pants” Giuliani have dumped her. Maybe they thought she was just a tad bonkers. Her enthusiasm for QAnon was a giveaway I would have thought.
you do realise that Hugo Chavez died several years ago. His plotting to overturn a US election from the grave is up there with Hermain Cain tweeting from the grave about how COVID was not as dangerous as people thought.
The Georgia case just got tossed by the trial judge because the Plaintiff was not Trump and the court found that the Plaintiff did not have standing to bring the suit. Lacking standing is what makes these cases DOA. It is a bitch in election lawsuits. Extremely hard to get unless you are the candidate suing. Lots of legal authority on this.
Sidney Powell will have the same problem as the Plaintiff in the GA case, if Trump is not the Plaintiff. And she is no longer on the Trump team so she has no authority to bring a case on his behalf no matter how meritorious it may be.
Of course the Wuflu originated outside China. The Chinese stole it from Canada. link 🙂
There is so much male bovine excrement …
In the face of a very high noise to signal ratio, I look for salient facts that shine through said noise.
The Taiwanese jumped on the problem before it even had a name. I joke that Taiwan knows more about China than the Chinese. I’m only half kidding.
Given the timing, I would need very solid evidence that the virus originated anywhere else but China.
Dont worry Joe has BIG pkains for Wares Hunter to fix every thing 😀😀😀😊😊😊
Ask the CCP to explain why the parking lots of Wuhan hospitals became suddenly filled in August, 2019, according to satellite photos?
Could have been due to the wicked air pollution in Wuhan then. I think a lot of the illness was due to that rather than the virus.
Were you in Wuhan in August 2019? Your answer is not the one the CCP would use – the photos are doctored would be the CCP answer. The CCP are criminals…they lie cheat steal murder. Who knows now exactly what happened?
They don’t operate like the west. Most medical things are done in hospitals. They don’t really have GPs and medical clinics like the west. Most hospital carparks are full all the time.
That’s what I’ve read. GPs are stigmatized and everyone wants to see specialists in hospitals, even for things like the flu.
So the Chinese were treating the CCP Wuhan virus in hospitals despite it being highly contagious? I remember the highly publicized building of a new hospital in Wuhan in weeks. I have read that there is a lot of traditional Chinese medicine involving stuff like powdered rhino horn and bear parts mixed with herbs and stuff.
One thing is for sure: The Chicoms knew they had a very infectious virus on their hands in Wuhan, in November of 2019, and they shut down travel from Wuhan to the rest of China, but allowed travel to continue into the rest of the world from Wuhan, after knowing this.
The Chicoms deliberately allowed the Wuhan virus to spread all over the world by their actions.
Now, the next thing to figure out is exactly where the Wuhan virus originated, and whether it has been artificially modified by humans in any way.
I’d say the Chinese also have a quality problem, from using lead paint on children’s toys, to poorly manufactured tools and other items, it’s pervasive.
Confucius say; “When China point finger of blame, ten fingers point back at China.”
Uhhh . . . Confucius was much smarter than that: only three fingers on the pointing hand would “point back”.
Maybe you are referring to a statement made under a Confucius disinformation-campaign being run by the currently ruling ChiComs?
How is it no one ever realized Confucius apparently had a deformity that resulting in him having 11 fingers (and no thumbs)? 😉
Confucius also say; “He who pokes fun of others pokes his own eye out in process”.
Confucius was a master of the one-liner.
That was a mistranslation, the proper translation of what Confucius said is “He who pokes fun of others makes their eyes tear up in the process”. Confucius was a keen observer of how thin skinned some can be. 😉
China is throwing red herrings around, because they know they caused the distribution of Covid.
I’m thinking they did it on purpose, and funded the riots, in order to get their puppet Biden elected. And if it works, Biden activates the Great Reset and we’re all hosed, with China in charge.
I also believe these were acts of war and we should respond appropriately.