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William Astley
July 17, 2020 8:04 pm

Here is some good covid treatment news.

This is a new medical technology that was used to defeat the deadly Ebola virus and if it works, as it did for Ebola will stop the covid problem.

Those infected with covid, would get a single injection of an artificial antibody, as soon as possible in the virus’s progression.

The artificial produced antibodies attack the virus in the patient, leaving them almost virus free in 48 hours. If the treatment is done early, as soon as covid is detected, damage will be limited.

Regeneron, the leading company in the new field has received a $500 million dollars speed up money from the US and have moved onto Phase 3 trials of their new artificial antibody.

This is an artificial antibody, not a vaccine. It only provides protection while the injected antibody is in the person system. The injection would provide the person injected, with roughly 4 weeks of immunity to covid.

There are three other antibody designing companies that are working with the US Military, to develop covid artificial antibodies.

I believe all have had very good success with phase 1 and 2 trials. This is great news as it proves the technology is solid.

https://investor.regeneron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/regeneron-announces-start-regn-cov2-phase-3-covid-19-prevention

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/regeneron-coronavirus-antibody-drug-bn/index.html

Regeneron starts Phase 3 trial of Covid antibody drug

rbabcock
Reply to  William Astley
July 17, 2020 8:25 pm

That’s very interesting. I would assume the person would also develop their own immunity to CV as their immune system would be fighting the virus like it normally would. The artificial antibody would just keep the virus from doing damage.

William Astley
Reply to  rbabcock
July 17, 2020 9:20 pm

Yes. I believe the patient’s own immune system would have a chance to develop a defense against covid, in the time before the virus was injected and had time to act.

As the covid virus starts in the throat, early artificial antibody treatment, might also eliminate lung damage. No permanent damage for most people would be a big help.

The reason the military is interested in this artificial antibody technology is it effectiveness, when optimized 95% or greater because the technically allows artificial antibody to be optimized.

Also this technology enables the artificial antibody to be easily and quickly changed, if the virus changes.

The current old technology vaccines are only 60% effective and sometimes sometimes significantly less (30% and less) if the virus they protect against has mutated.

This artificial antibody treatment, if it was optimized, very effective in rapidly leaving the patient virus free, be preferred over a vaccine.

The artificial antibody will be optimized to attack the virus. It will have the best features possible to attack the covid virus and likely it will be a cocktail of more than one artificial antibody (companies use different techniques to optimize their artificial antibodies) to increase effectiveness.

philincalifornia
Reply to  William Astley
July 17, 2020 9:14 pm

This is great. Some antibodies have had some major issues in humans (for complicated reasons), but this one looks like not so. Coupled with the fact that manufacturing systems for antibodies have been improved enormously since the early days. this is going to be one of the winners (IMO).

Reply to  William Astley
July 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Governor Newsom in California is not going to like this. His strategy seems to be to try to help tank the US economy so Trump doesn’t get reelected. Then he expects to get a big bailout from Biden and Congress.

A lot of assumptions that might not work out as expected.

Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
July 18, 2020 1:01 am

Trump with the roaring economy pre-COVID was on a glide path to victory.

They were/are desperate in February, as all their Presidential candidates were a disaster for moderate voters except Biden, whose dementia wasn’t as widely obvious then.

COVID pandemic threw them a lifeline to save the Progressive agenda at a massive cost. A cost that would destroy millions of lives and small businesses with economic ruin and they are now taking it tells everyone paying attention how desperate the Democrats are for total power in Washington DC.

They got a brief taste of total power in 2009-2010 with Obama, and that want that back. It was like crack-heroin-speed all in one dose for the Libs. They had a 60 vote Senate majority, the House and the Presidency. And then they realize they squandered it by not changing the Senate rules on filibuster after Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy’s seat in the special election eliminating their filibuster-proof 60 Dem super-majority. Because of that they were forced to do work around on ObamaCare that totally trashed the Progressive brand with American voters for the next 6 years culminating in Trump’s victory. The Republican Scott Brown victory in Blue Massachusetts for the Ted Kennedy seat changed the course of history.

They won’t make that “mistake” again. The first thing a Democrat run Senate will do is eliminate the 60 vote filibuster rule. Then just like the House, it will be the rule of the mob in Congress. Then they’ll use the 25th Amendment to kick Senile Biden out and put his VP in, the first African-American female president in fact.
And then they’ll have it all. The Green New Deal. Reparations for every minority group in a treasury free for all. They’ll expand the Supreme Court to 13 jurists and pack in 4 Libs to ensure every Wish List the Libs have ever had will get a Supreme Court rubber stamp.
They’ll use water regulations to Kill Fracking. They’ll Kill the oil and gas industry offshore and on all Federal lands. Eliminate gun ownership by onerous regulations. They’ll change voting laws to allow dirty mail fraud elections in most states so no Republican can ever win. And they’ll just be getting started. Military- gutted.
And Democrats’ China masters will be quite pleased with their Baizuo.
Meanwhile, Dementia Joe will be eating his cherry jello in the memory care facility activity room with the nurses calling him Mr President as he smiles and tries to grope them during Bingo game breaks.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 18, 2020 8:18 am

There is a great scene in Dr Zhivago when Zhivago returns to Moscow after the war and revolution and shows up at his family mansion, now inhabited by hundreds of families all barely subsisting under the watchful eye of the local Comisar. Everyone is now living in equal squalor. “Yes, this is more just,” Zhivago tells the Comisar. I think of that scene all the time here in California. This is what is coming; San Francisco already has moved homeless addicts and mentally ill into a number of high end hotels (which are being destroyed in the process, and doing nothing to get them other help). And what I am most amazed by is that the people pushing these programs and policies all think they will escape it themselves, that somehow they won’t also be affected. They instead will be the first to be purged. Nobody is really being helped; everyone is just being pushed downward to the same low standard of living. Why anyone thinks this works is just beyond me, but people here still keep voting for the same people who have been ruining this state for years. Watch the San Fran elections in November, it will still be the same lefties getting elected despite all the complaining among residents. We truly do get the government we deserve.

Reply to  Jeffrey Briggs
July 18, 2020 10:26 am

I read several local San Fran news reports about how the social workers who go into those once pleasant SanFran hotels are coming out utterly horrified and shell-shocked and then fleeing in terror at what they’ve just seen inside. In the rooms they see destroyed furniture, beds covered in feces and smell of urine everywhere. Trash is everywhere. People are shooting up with city provided methadone and needles in communal rooms, HIV and HepC no doubt in all of them. COVID? What does that matter when you have HepC and HIV ravaging your body. They are all already dead, just waiting to die.

The Progressive version of Hell on Earth comes to Big Blue San Fran in ever new ways.

philincalifornia
Reply to  Jeffrey Briggs
July 18, 2020 10:34 am

Jeffrey, I live here too, and as long as Apple, Facebook, Google et al., keep ploughing in the $$Trillions, it will be a long time before California capitalism becomes actual leftism and not phony-leftism (i would guess never). They can buy a lot of port-a-potties for the homeless as a minuscule percentage of what they skim off from their protection rackets for themselves.

…… but yes many do still vote for it, which I guess proves that Chronic Virtue-Signaling Disorder is both more pernicious and more infectious than our current uninvited guest infection.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 18, 2020 8:20 am

“And Democrats’ China masters will be quite pleased with their Baizuo.
Meanwhile, Dementia Joe will be eating his cherry jello in the memory care facility activity room with the nurses calling him Mr President as he smiles and tries to grope them during Bingo game breaks.”

They don’t do Bingo in the dementia units. They just sit there and drool on themselves, or kick at people, or try to bite people. I’ve been in many of them.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 18, 2020 10:32 am

I seen some better ones where the clients have more money. They are staged by functionality. Yes, those gone, just sit strapped in wheel cares all day, catheterized, and drooling tongue hanging out, jerking their hands and head around occasionally if they hear noise, very sad.

Joe will have the money to be in a better one where still functional he’ll get activities. But the COVID thing, unless there is an effective vaccine, will be Jill and family will stay behind glass windows. Like humans watching zoo animals.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 19, 2020 8:54 am

I used to work on those wheelchairs. It was really depressing to see.

Megs
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 19, 2020 4:08 pm

That was my mother’s fate for the last few years of her life. Before she got to that point she said she didn’t want to ‘go’ that way. She was watching her own fate and it frightened her. That’s where I don’t see that keeping people alive at all costs is the right thing to do. I don’t understand why doctor’s are proud that people can live to a hundred years of age these days. Surely quality of life has to come into it.

BC
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 22, 2020 3:32 pm

Megs July 19, 2020 at 4:08 pm

Megs, I used to wonder why so many doctors were opposed to voluntary euthanasia. Then I happened upon an article that reminded me of this rule: ‘follow the money’. The article stated that a third of doctors’ income comes from treating the aged.

Megs
Reply to  BC
July 22, 2020 3:50 pm

Thanks BC, that certainly fits. I think that doctors should spend four or five days residing in nursing homes/dementia units every year during their careers. They might meet some of the lucid patients that tell you that they are all just waiting to die.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 19, 2020 6:04 am

Will our great great grandchildren pay reparations for our 21st century slaves? Think “Masters” of the universe and the supply “Chain Gang” they’re using in not-so-free countries. Check the label inside your shirt, paints, shoes, etc. and likely it was made in a not-so-free country. Check those materials in your Tesla. Think of that box delivered to your door-step by Amazon, et.al. as a bundle of cotton from the Chain Gang (rhetorically speaking that is).

Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
July 18, 2020 5:53 am

Sadly, the same thing is happening in Michigan.

Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
July 19, 2020 4:00 am

It’s all a leftist scam – the enviro BS including the climate and green-energy fraud, the full-Gulag lockdown for Covid-19, paid-and-planned protests by Antifa and BLM – it’s all lies.

We published that the climate-and-green-energy rant was a false narrative in 2002, and by 2012 I wrote that there was a covert agenda, Now the greens are admitting that climate-and-energy was false propaganda, a smokescreen for their totalitarian objectives.

The green objective is to destroy prosperity and move the USA into a planned economy – with a few rich at the top looking down on the many poor peasants. That model now describes most of the countries in the world. Europe and Canada are far down that path, and the USA will follow if Biden and the Demo-Marxists are elected.

The book “1984”, written by George Orwell in 1949, foresaw a time “when most of the world population have become victims of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and public manipulation”.

Well here is the REAL “1984”, an interview that year with ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, who describes the slow, long-term “ideological subversion” of Western societies. Note Bezmenov’s discussion of ideological subversion. It’s all about manipulating the “Useful Idiots” – the leftists in the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA&feature=youtu.be

One commenter on the video wrote: “this is f***ing crazy, almost everything predicted by this guy is already happening.”

Sommer
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 19, 2020 11:03 am

Take a look at this recently published video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF5mxZejb3s&feature=youtu.be

NewsBreak 81 CONFIRMED COVID 19 Plandemic a Known, Live “Training & Simulation Exercise” under WHO

Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 12:44 am

Vaccines are 19th century medicine (devised by Dr. Edward Jenner in 1796) so it is about time this technology was replaced with some 21st century medicine.

Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 1:11 am

They work because you can’t always fool the human immune system. For Smallpox there is still nothing better than its attenuated virulence cousin called the Vaccinia Virus used as the Small Pox vaccine. Vaccinia virus immune responses have been measured 70 years after vaccination in various studies showing how durable that vaccine is to preventing SmallPox for the entire lifetime of the human recipient.

The mRNA and DNA vaccines for SARS-CoV-2, at the scale they may be implemented with the COVID pandemic (hundreds of millions to billions of receiopients) will most assuredly kill lots of people with immunopathology due to an inappropriate Th2 immune response when they contract the real Corona virus. The only CoV-2 vaccine to trust will be live but attenuated virulence virus vaccines carrying the CoV-2 Spike protein coding. Without a live virus, the immune system will make antibodies all right, but the T cells will not be properly primed for a Th1 protective response in many people. Some will get an asthma-like Th2 eosinophilia in conjunction with the actual infection as the immune system produces a non-protective Th2 response to the actual virus infection.

Charles Nelson
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 19, 2020 12:43 am

Absolutely.
People throw around terms like ‘artificial antibodies’ with little or no grasp of the complexities of the immune system.
Just google ‘auto-immune diseases’ before signing up for that treatment!

philincalifornia
Reply to  Charles Nelson
July 19, 2020 8:37 am

This is why safety studies are done first

DocSiders
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 19, 2020 9:19 am

Joel,

Does this anomalous response also occur with Fully Human Monoclonal Antibodies. To my knowledge, they do not.

Reply to  DocSiders
July 20, 2020 12:59 am

No. Antibodies whether polyclonal or monoclonal do not in themselves skew an antiviral Immune response to a Th2 phenotype. Plasma and or a MAB therapies contain no B or T cells.

A Th2 response is a cellular response driven by B-cells and Th2 primed T- cells (CD4+ T cells) for the most part, the cytokines they produce are a Th2 characteristic. That cyto ki e response recruits other cells like eosinophils. Eosinophilia is a Th2 cellular response that is non-protective for viral infections. Leads to airway inflamation in an asthsma like response. Really bad if the patient is also suffering fro pm viral pneumonia and/or ARDS.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
July 20, 2020 1:07 am

Joel
“Leads to airway inflammation in an asthma like response”
Is that why an anti-asthma drug is efficacious?

MarkW
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 12:51 pm

In general, you don’t throw something out just because it’s old.
Most people wait till something better is available.
What are you proposing we replace vaccines with?

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 3:31 pm

Antivaxxers mean that Anthony should maybe just shut this site down completely.

Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 18, 2020 3:39 pm

I am in favour of medical progress.
Go back to here in the thread to see where this started:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/17/open-thread-weekend-23/#comment-3036885

“The current old technology vaccines are only 60% effective and sometimes sometimes significantly less (30% and less) if the virus they protect against has mutated.

This artificial antibody treatment, if it was optimized, very effective in rapidly leaving the patient virus free, be preferred over a vaccine.

The artificial antibody will be optimized to attack the virus. It will have the best features possible to attack the covid virus and likely it will be a cocktail of more than one artificial antibody (companies use different techniques to optimize their artificial antibodies) to increase effectiveness.”

Rich Davis
Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 19, 2020 5:56 am

Phil,
By that logic, Antifa means that Trump should maybe just shut this country down completely.

Antivax propaganda isn’t usually permitted on WUWT and when it isn’t moderated, it’s invariably engulfed by the robust immune response of the T cells of the Truth squad.

There’s a big difference between urging caution about a new vaccine _technology_ (which seems reasonable to me), and refusing to get a standard measles vaccine that has been safe and effective for what, almost six decades?

I for one welcome a robust discussion about the risks of a new technology that we may soon all be asked (or forced) to bet our lives on.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 20, 2020 5:41 am

“it’s invariably engulfed by the robust immune response of the T cells of the Truth squad. ”

I liked the way you put that.

Community moderation is what we have around here.

JohnC
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 19, 2020 3:08 am

Read “The beautiful cure” by Daniel M Davis, Professor of Immunology at the University of Manchester. It goes through the history of the science behind the immune system. From the innate, dendritic cells, T cells and B cells. It is a multi layered, multifaceted system some of which we share with insects as well as mammals. It also explains that vaccines made from just the infecting organism are not very effective but need additional components such as aluminum salts to be effective.

Reply to  JohnC
July 19, 2020 4:35 am

Thanks John,

History of Science is always very instructive.

bill
Reply to  JohnC
July 20, 2020 4:40 pm

4.4 billion paid in compensation for vax issues through 2020 july

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
Monthly Statistics Report
Updated 07/01/2020 Page 9
FY 2016 689 $230,140,251.20 $16,225,881.12 99 $2,741,830.10 59 $3,502,709.91 $252,610,672.33
Fiscal Year
Number of
Compensated
Awards
Petitioners’ Award
Amount
Attorneys’
Fees/Costs
Payments
Number of Payments
to Attorneys
(Dismissed Cases)
Attorneys’
Fees/Costs
Payments
(Dismissed
Cases)
Number of
Payments
to Interim
Attorneys’
Interim
Attorneys’
Fees/Costs
Payments
Total Outlays
FY 2017 706 $252,245,932.78 $22,045,785.00 132 $4,444,124.32 52 $3,363,464.24 $282,099,306.34
FY 2018 521 $199,588,007.04 $16,658,440.14 112 $5,106,382.65 58 $5,151,148.78 $226,503,978.61
FY 2019 653 $196,217,707.64 $18,991,247.55 102 $4,791,157.52 65 $5,457,545.23 $225,457,657.94
FY 2020 524 $156,822,787.60 $14,662,535.44 90 $4,589,561.40 58 $3,934,741.77 $180,009,626.21
Total 7,365 $4,041,124,081.01 $220,725,729.41 5,544 $89,489,318.65 547 $42,206,880.72 $4,393,546,009.79
NOTE: Some previous fiscal year data has been updated as a result of the receipt and entry of data from documents issued by the Court and system updates
which included petitioners’ costs reimbursements in outlay totals,
“Compensated” are petitions that have been paid as a result of a settlement between parties or a decision made by the U.S. Court of Federal Claims (Court). The
# of awards is the number of petitioner awards paid, including the attorneys’ fees/costs payments, if made during a fiscal year. However, petitioners’ awards and
attorneys’ fees/costs are not necessarily paid in the same fiscal year as when the petitions/petitions are determined compensable. “Dismissed” includes the # of
payments to attorneys and the total amount of payments for attorneys’ fees/costs per fiscal year. The VICP will pay attorneys’ fees/costs related to the petition,
whether or not the petition/petition is awarded compensation by the Court, if certain minimal requirements are met. “Total Outlays” are the total amount of funds
expended for compensation and attorneys’ fees/costs from the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund by fiscal year.
Since influenza vaccines (vaccines administered to large numbers of adults each year) were added to the VICP in 2005, many adult petitions related to that

David Lilley
Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 2:18 am

You obviously don’t live in the UK. Here, we are told that, if we experience any covid-19 symptoms, we must not visit the doctor nor go to hospital. We must stay at home until we become really ill and need hospitalization. Only then will we get any medical treatment. So, treatments which must be administered as early as possible such as the above artificial antibodies or HCQ + Azithromcyn + Zinc will never be prescribed here.

Reply to  David Lilley
July 18, 2020 3:01 am

David,

Take control of your own life.

Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 11:23 am

When this mess started, I added a zinc supplement, increased my Vit. C, and D intake, and then a bit later added a quercetin supplement, even though I eat a quercetin apple most every day.
All of that in hopes of maintaining a strong immune system able to fight off any covid attack.
But a virus got me anyway, except it’s one that has laid dormant in my system since I was a wee lad. Shingles are not fun at all.

Reply to  John VC
July 18, 2020 1:36 pm

Thank you John,

Quercetin Apple, didn’t know that.
So “An apple a day keeps the doctor away”.

Sorry to hear about the shingles.

Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 1:42 pm

skipped a word there Philip–should have said quercetin containing apple as red apples are one of several foods that do contain it. Green tea is another, which I do not drink

Reply to  John VC
July 18, 2020 1:45 pm

John, you made me look it up and I learnt something

Henry Pool
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 3:07 pm

There is a vaccine for shingles. I took it and have not suffered again. Unfortunately you cannot take it whilst you still have it. You have to wait a few months after full recovery.

Konstantinos Pappas
Reply to  John VC
July 19, 2020 4:49 am

@Henry Pool
Vaccination after infection is generally very moderately effective.
I really cannot fathom why someone would have himself vaccinated for HSV-2.
Most modern vaccinations are actually moderately or poorly effective.
One that is widely known to be very ineffective is the flu vaccine.
Worthless with severe side-effects.

Reply to  Konstantinos Pappas
July 19, 2020 8:33 am

Worked for me. Have not had sjingels again.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John VC
July 19, 2020 7:41 am

John
Shingles is preventable with a vaccine and treatable with something like valacyclovir. The problem is, along with taking all the homeopathic elixirs, you forgot to perform the daily regimen of standing on your head, rubbing your belly, and reciting Hamlet’s soliloquy simultaneously.

Konstantinos Pappas
Reply to  John VC
July 19, 2020 1:03 pm

First of all, I need make a correction.
The vaccination is for varicella zoster virus, not herpes simplex virus 2.
My mistake, and I apologize.
Moving on, recurrence of shingles ain’t the norm. It does happen, but its rarer than no recurrence at all, and if it does reccur, its usually within many years.
The vaccine does reduce the risk of recurrence, but moderately, not significantly, and, as it is stated already, shingles can be treated with drugs, very promptly though.
Personally speaking, I would refrain from modern vaccines, unless it is a vaccine against HIV (not gonna happen)…
Why go for an option that has moderate effect, but serious side-effects, even if relatively rare?

TRM
Reply to  John VC
July 20, 2020 4:55 pm

Yea shingles are no fun at all. The nice thing is if you doc is up to speed the anti-viral kicks it to the curb in no time. My doc was up to speed and diagnosed it correctly at first crack. Unlike my unlucky sister in law who suffered through 3 visits before it was diagnosed.

My doc also doesn’t recommend the vaccine. He said the 75% effective rating was only true if you get it when you are young (<40) and the vast majority of people will never get it and the anti-viral meds work fast and reliably.

Accurate and quick diagnosis is the key.

David Lilley
Reply to  John VC
July 22, 2020 3:34 am

John VC – coincidence ? Shingles has got me too and it’s not exactly a barrel of laughs.

An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
But an onion a day keeps everyone away.

Reply to  David Lilley
July 22, 2020 8:09 am

David—I am an onion eater, so that might be the reason I have very few people visit me out here on the ranch. Actually like it that way. Since the first incipient pain this shingles attack has been hanging on for close to two weeks now. Doc had me on an anti viral (can’ t begin to recall the name) –5 pills a day for 7 days–and I suppose that did help as the surface rash has died down and is beginning to dry up. Subsurface pain is still pretty constant with numerous sharp flashes through out the day. I am going to get up on the tractor today as the longhorns would like a round bail put out for them.

icisil
Reply to  David Lilley
July 18, 2020 3:03 am

An interesting compilation of HCQ studies that are overwhelmingly positive

https://twitter.com/gummibear737/status/1283840177497088001

Reply to  icisil
July 18, 2020 4:43 am

icisil
From the Twitter thread:
” Zinc – I know the theory and its scientifically plausible but nobody knows the exact mechanism”

Zinc deficiency is a long known feature of loss of the sense of taste and smell.
Go figure.
Zinc supplements are not prescription reserved medicine in the UK and are legally available in any good health food store.

Mike O
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 6:29 am

But Zinc by itself does a poor job of penetrating the cells where it is needed. I saw a study that looked at uptake of zinc by cells in vitro that showed that even high concentrations outside the cell didn’t make much different (helped a little.) Chloroquine improved the transport, but Hydroxychloroquine was 3X effective compared to that.

I have a stock of Zinc and Quercetin another Zn ionophore that I’ll take at first symptoms. HCQ works as a Zinc ionophore AND raises the pH of the cell which defeats the virus (and malaria). Sadly, quercetin is only an ionphore.

Reply to  Mike O
July 18, 2020 7:49 am

Mike,
Of course a zinc ionophore is a critical part of the mix.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 6:02 pm

Mike, quercetin and the other citrus bioflavanoids are anti-inflammatories, and also increase capillary wall strength.

So, there are reasons to take them as regular supplements; not just to help against covid.

don
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 11:04 pm

Elderberry extract is one of the best supplements to help fight Covid.

Zinc, copper, and Iodine sprays, or drops for the back of the throat as well.

Reply to  don
July 18, 2020 11:19 pm

My brother makes a beautiful full-bodied elderberry wine.
Cheers.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 20, 2020 6:02 am

“Zinc deficiency is a long known feature of loss of the sense of taste and smell.”

That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.

I read an article the other day that claimed if you had the symptoms of loss of taste/smell that it was an indicator the Wuhan virus would be a mild case. Just a claim, as far as I know, but interesting and more so with your statement above.

I have been taking zinc supplements since this pandemic started but I read the other day that your body regulates the amount of zinc in your blood and it looks like the zinc in a multivitamin is enough to keep a person at the proper level. So I will stop taking the additional zinc supplement when it runs out and just stick with the multivitamin.

I read yesterday that the common blood-thinner drug Heparin.might be an effective treatment for the Wuhan virus. The claim was that heparin attaches to the same thing the Wuhan virus attaches to, and taking heparin supposedly prevents the Wuhan virus from attaching itself to the target cells in large quantities.

I also read yesterday that the Wuhan virus is causing very serious health problems for people after they have recovered from the virus infection. The Wuhan virus is apparently doing a lot of damage to people who have it in their bodies for weeks and weeks.

HCQ is reported (French, March study) to have cleared the body of the Wuhan virus within six to nine days. That’s the route I’m going if I get this thing. The sooner it is out of the body, the better it appears to be for long-term health. There should be a third category for Wuhan virus. Along with the number of deaths, and the number of recoveries, there should be a category for the number of recoveries with long-term adverse health effects.

The Wuhan virus is not the equivalent of the flu. It can do serious damage to those susceptible to it.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  icisil
July 19, 2020 8:12 am

icisil
Just for balance, so that WUWT can’t be accused of cherry picking:
https://news.yahoo.com/studies-clarify-drugs-help-hurt-173946353.html

philincalifornia
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 19, 2020 8:54 am

The Raoult group’s 3,737 patient study came out on June 25th, so let’s add that in too:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7315163/

Reach your own conclusions from their conclusions.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 19, 2020 9:55 am

Here the link to my comment in that concern

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 19, 2020 9:56 am

Did you read that ?
Just for the “balance” in your mind 😀

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 19, 2020 10:21 am

Something for your balance too
What happend belated to Lancet “study” ?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 19, 2020 10:32 am

Follow the money 😀
“Recovery is the large British multi-arm, phase 3 trial evaluating 6 potential treatments for Covid 19. “

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 20, 2020 2:07 pm

Clyde, in this day and age, I’m afraid “studies” don’t impress. It doesn’t matter what the science is, political agendas and an amoral society has harmed them all. The egregiously Lysenkoist Lancet Study and New England Journal of Medicine had to be retracted and apologized for (I’m sure their lawyers advised them to apologize )

The great extinctions of the geological record have of late been undergoing “rediscovery” that “carbon” turns out to be the cause, do tell.

Remember the prize is a world тоталiтагуаи gov. where truth is not only not valued but probably illegal.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  icisil
July 20, 2020 7:34 am

@ Philip Mulholland

My brother makes a beautiful full-bodied elderberry wine.
Cheers.

Are you sure the family name isn’t “Brewster”? 😀

TRM
Reply to  icisil
July 20, 2020 4:57 pm

LOL. I love “Gummi Bear” but it is a sad commentary when a twitter user called “Gummi Bear” is more up to date than most governors.

Another great one is c19study.com

Cheers

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  icisil
July 21, 2020 11:39 am

Too many comments, so this one may get lost in the haystack, but here goes:

Another treatment is being discussed on the Web, Budesonide:

https://youtu.be/zHoRCM6a_PU

Budesonide is a steroid used in inhalers for asthmatics (but NOT for attacks). One brand name is Pulmicort. It has been safely used in children.

It has allegedly been used for respiratory anti-inflammation in Covid patients with allegedly great results. See the report linked above (if it hasn’t been deleted/cancelled/censored yet).

David Lilley
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
July 22, 2020 4:00 am

The patients which Dr Richard Bartlett treated with Budesonide also received Clarithromycin, zinc and aspirin.
https://americacanwetalk.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/ColumnByDrBartlettReCOVID-5.pdf

icisil
Reply to  David Lilley
July 18, 2020 5:42 am

“HCQ + Azithromcyn + Zinc will never be prescribed here.”

For those like myself who trust in HCQ/zinc/Z-pak but worry about it being available if needed, may I recommend the following. Quercetin/zinc/Oreganol are near duplicates in action.

https://twitter.com/voiceanddesign/status/1283857721973002240

Reply to  icisil
July 18, 2020 6:47 am

Thanks isicil

Oreganol is now on my list.

peyelut
Reply to  icisil
July 18, 2020 11:04 am

I’ve been taking Colloidal (not Ionic) Zinc and Silver – the nanometer particles size is said to over come cell transport/penetration difficulty.

No money in it . . .

Harry Davidson
Reply to  David Lilley
July 18, 2020 8:02 am

It is one of the reasons that the NHS is turning out to have the worst performance of all western health systems. That and other failures.

The front line staff in ‘trauma’ mode did well, the rest of it has been total pants.

Oldseadog
Reply to  David Lilley
July 20, 2020 2:45 am

Not so, David, only in part of the UK.
In Scotland (which is part of the UK) if you experience any WuFlu symptoms you must get a WuFlu test at once.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 2:23 am

In Australia the blood bank has had a flood of donations after an appeal. They are now asking for recovered Covid patients to come foreward so that a trial can be done using naturally occurring antibodies from the donor.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Lewis P Buckingham
July 18, 2020 2:31 am

They won’t take my 1980’s UK BSE contaminated O+ monkey blood, apparently the best blood to have in the “fight” against COVID-19.

John in Oz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 4:08 am

Me neither, but us rabbits have very different blood anyway.

Can I sue the Australian Government for sending me to the UK for 12 months through 1980-81?

JohnM de France
Reply to  John in Oz
July 18, 2020 5:09 am

The French authorities will not take my blood because I lived in the UK during the BSE problem, even though I do not eat red meat; I have difficulty in digesting it.

dmacleo
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 9:59 am

same here, us army in germany in the 1980’s, mad cow disease exposure. cannot donate blood.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 11:01 am

I can’t donate blood here in the Colonies either, having lived in the UK from 1985-1987, the early years of the BSE spread.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 11:04 pm

Guess who predicted the spread of BSE in the UK? None other than Prof. Lockdown.

DougS
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 19, 2020 3:14 pm

The good professor predicted that vCJD, the human form of mad cow disease, could kill up to 50,000 Britons. The actual number now stands at 178, at last count. Many thinking people would call that a refutation, not only of the model but also the proposed link between BSE and vCJD. One might ask how many cases of vCJD would have happened if the BSE epidemic had not occurred.

One might even question the entire prion model for the two diseases. Oops… not allowed to suggest group-think in medicine. Forget I said it.

TRM
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 20, 2020 5:01 pm

Darned shame as they have reduced the number of donations the ladies can do so we need more guys to pick up the slack.

On the good news side us O+ types have a higher resistance to covid-19 (at least according to one study, LOL). They still take mine and I’m 50+ donations now. Going for 3 digits!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Lewis P Buckingham
July 18, 2020 4:18 am

“so that a trial can be done using naturally occurring antibodies from the donor.”

I have heard nothing but good things about using antibodies from recovered Wuhan virus patients to treat new infections. We had a guy at my local city hospital who was given the plasma treatment last month and he said he almost immediately felt better after the plasma was administered and was able to leave the hospital just a few days later.

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 7:43 am

There is a strong suspicion that they gave Boris the plasma treatment.

It was the only thing that worked for Spanish flu so there was some confidence in it from the start.

whiten
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 8:42 am

Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 at 4:18 am

That is not antibody artificial treatment, it is natural, very very very expensive, prohibitive in the consideration of mass industrial application.
Can not be abused by the hyenas. TOO TOO EXPENSIVE FOR rolled out MASS APPLICATION.

Good working efficient processes can not be utilized in the scope of serving the enrichment and the urge of “cicadas”… ever.

cheers

Rich Davis
Reply to  whiten
July 19, 2020 6:22 am

You must be translating from some other language, whiten. So I try to take that into account when I find your comments particularly incomprehensible.

But why would a relatively low-tech process like convalescent plasma be hyper-expensive? You get blood from recovered patients, separate out the cells, and infuse the remaining liquid (the plasma). The separation is traditionally done with a centrifuge, but can also use a membrane filter.

It has to be substantially cheaper than remdesivir.

Hyenas and cicadas? Something is lost in the translation.

whiten
Reply to  whiten
July 19, 2020 11:18 am

Rich Davis
July 19, 2020 at 6:22 am
——–
Thanks for your reply.

How expensive do you think an artificial component produced, has to be in consideration of a 30 to 40 or maybe 50 years of continuous reproduction required?

Do you think there is any laboratory that can produce a platinum standard antibody, artificially, when that requires a never ending reproduction for a time span of many decades?

Don’t you think this will be very expensive?

Do you think there is any laboratory that can replicate the “factory production-reproduction” of a immune system of a 70+ old humano.

In main concept, I expect that you realize, I am not against the artificial antibody as a treatment or either the vaccines.
But both hold the clause of benefit and also destruction.
Very thin line in between.

Quite a moronic cowboy attitude to consider such as, as silver bullet proof.

Simple, time component very expensive deal, not properly replicable.

Just a further point,
neither vaccines or artificial antibody treatment can be feasible or worth it in the case of HIV-AIDS.

But, maybe, due to clearly addressed parameters, the plasma antibody treatment, the natural one, can do wonders in case of HIV-AIDS, if properly applied.

Not sure how clear this is to you!

Naturally produced antibodies consist in the proposition of
strict precise-accurate production in the mean of up to decades, in the count of individuals,
and even far longer proposition of time in means of populations or herds.
No matter how good or helpful the artificial antibody treatment could be, in the end it will face nature, the herd immunity,
being subjected to a flush out, as not possible of it being the best immune response there in the environment.

No laboratory can ever replicate that, ugely expensive, evolution in its core.

No laboratory or industry will ever be possible to replicate nature, not properly.

Time runs deep , very deep in nature, something impossible to truly replicate artificially.
Some say millions, some say billions, some say thousands of years.

The expense you concerned about, is not in the artificial protocol, it is in the natural one, as it not possible ever to be properly replicated by monkeys that happen to be governed by hyenas and cicadas.

cheers

Rich Davis
Reply to  whiten
July 19, 2020 12:05 pm

Whiten,
You replied to Tom’s comment, which was about convalescent plasma treatment, not artificial antibodies. I guess that you missed that point.

I’m sure that the artificial antibodies are very expensive (at least at this point), and they are certainly not a proven technology. I would also be very cautious about it.

Still not understanding the hyenas and cicadas, and now you add monkeys.

whiten
Reply to  whiten
July 19, 2020 10:24 pm

Rich Davis
July 19, 2020 at 12:05 pm

Thanks again, Rich.

The very fact of artificial antibodies it means less expensive and affordable for mass application than natural one.
That is why we have vaccines too.

One of the earlier and low-tech processes was the gain of gold and diamonds, but still many thousands of years later, still both very very expensive.

The point of cicadas hyenas and monkeys is a way of expression.

cicadas – very noisy zhuzhiing all the time and no profitable work or value.
hyenas – tearing apart anything of value with no regard or responsibility.
monkeys – looking or getting their hands in shiny things and thinking they have touched the sky, and now and then throwing tantrums or “hand grenades” around, just for the fun of it.

Simply a way of expression. 🙂

cheers

Rich Davis
Reply to  whiten
July 20, 2020 4:38 am

Going back over your prior comments, I see that I misunderstood you at the beginning. Sorry about that.

Your argument was that it is convalescent plasma treatment that is too expensive to apply to the whole population. (I guess those are the cicadas).

Your expectation is that any artificial antibody will be a shoddy product that is intended to cut the cost of processing blood donations, and to allow the pharmaceutical companies to profit where they had little opportunity to profit from convalescent plasma therapy. (I guess those are the hyenas?).

It will have to be a poor quality product because natural antibodies are a complex system that took evolutionary timeframes to develop. The researchers (the monkeys) won’t be able to duplicate this complexity.

I take it that you refer to the masses of population as cicadas from the point of view of the arrogant hyenas is that it?

Well, if we have bridged the language and culture gap, I think that I mostly agree that your analysis could be correct.

When we see the remdesivir vs HCQ controversy, that looks a lot like your hyenas and monkeys in action.

But the difference is that Big Pharma tries to suppress a therapy that is low cost and effective so that an inferior expensive treatment can be seen as the only option. Surely they hope to get the government to pay for their shoddy product for all of the cicadas. No honest and intelligent official would choose the more expensive, less effective therapy, so we must presume that some self-dealing is going on with bribes from the hyenas in Big Pharma to the hyenas in Big Government. No hyena cares if their actions hurt the cicadas. Why would anyone care about the cicadas? Get the monkeys busy!

In the case we were discussing, I suspect that the reality is closer to the remdesivir case, than the way you have seen it. The argument won’t be that artificial antibodies are cheaper, it will be that there isn’t enough blood available for convalescent plasma therapy, so the much more expensive substitute will be needed in order to treat all the cicadas. (OK, I concede in advance the flaw in my argument. If there isn’t enough blood available, then the law of supply and demand makes CPT more expensive or at least unavailable if the government doesn’t allow a market price for the blood).

The government will be convinced that this a silver bullet that doesn’t require any effort on their part (just more debt piled on the cicadas), and also looks like a breakthrough that they can claim as being the fruits of their efforts to find a solution.

I hope I got it right with understanding your argument this time whiten.

whiten
Reply to  whiten
July 20, 2020 2:40 pm

Rich Davis
July 20, 2020 at 4:38 am

Ok Rich.

“I take it that you refer to the masses of population as cicadas from the point of view of the arrogant hyenas is that it?”
——————————————-

Nope, sorry.
The main meaning of cicadas, in this context, can be drawn by the point of the fable.
Cicadas versus ants.

The masses of populations are to be considered as ants not cicadas.
Even when in the consideration of the expression, still all else part of populations, but not as main at that… not as a majority.

And if it helps,
my main points that I try to put forward in my comments are not much driven by the merit of weighting motivations or intentions, or at least not mainly driven by it.
More to do with the degree of responsibility or the lack of it… whatever be the case.
When considering responsibility, especially in the clause of gross diminished responsibility, the intentions or the motivations do not much make any difference there… oh well not to me or the way I view it.

I am not a revolutionary type, or an anarchist.
I do not call or propagate, that in consideration of a flow or a crack in a structure the structure must be destroyed collapsed and redone,
especially when a lot of investment has gone in making it… in ages.

For as long as valuable assets, capital assets, are not managed or utilized as monopolies, or not considered as for immediate demolition because of some superficial unpleasant flow… then as far as I can tell, no need to discuss issues in the manner of the expression I offered in our exchange. 🙂

I am not sure how much this helps with this conversation of ours.

Thanks again.

cheers

Rich Davis
Reply to  whiten
July 20, 2020 5:09 pm

Very interesting. I must say that you are an enigma. Aesop’s fable which in English is usually called the Ant and the Grasshopper, teaches us that the grasshopper (cicada) who wastes his summer singing instead of working to prepare for the winter, deserves his fate for being lazy. He starves to death in the winter after the ants refuse to give him any grain. In your fable, it seems that there are no good guys.

Megs
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 20, 2020 6:46 pm

You are patient to the extreme Rich, just don’t cross him.

whiten
Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 3:03 am

William Astley
July 17, 2020 at 8:04 pm

Oh, sorry to say.
From my point of view, that is stupid in steroids, especially for influenza infection-diseases.

Interferes with the herd immunity.

The natural antibody, even in the lower tier stage, the fairly basic stage, is far better than the artificial one.
Besides the full incorporation of the antibody and its efficiency is achieved on the onset of the disease.

That artificial antibody treatment, if good, only efficient if used for non infected, like a vaccine.
Could work better than a vaccine, if proper, but only for non infected, who have no encounter with the virus.
But still no so good for the 50+ old.

But as always, profit rules the day, like in the case of the expected vaccine, where the proposition that immunity last for life is not quite helpful, and many in the academia claiming already something stupid, that in the case of this novel virus the immunity does not last.

oh well, still a good new techno thingy… to consider.

cheers

Richard Greene
Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 11:08 am

Reheneron is very expensive and not tjat effective.

IVERMECTIN , SOMETIMES called the Japanese wonder drug, seems to work better.

It has been used for up to 4 billion doses for non-covid issues so far .

Cut the mortality rate in half for severe covid patients that seemed likely to die soon, in one US study.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 19, 2020 11:26 am

“The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro”
Antiviral Research, Volume 178, June 2020,
Received 18 March 2020, Revised 27 March 2020, Accepted 29 March 2020, Available online 3 April 2020.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Highlights:
Ivermectin is an inhibitor of the COVID-19 causative virus (SARS-CoV-2) in vitro.
A single treatment able to effect ~5000-fold reduction in virus at 48 h in cell culture.
Ivermectin is FDA-approved for parasitic infections, and therefore has a potential for repurposing.
Ivermectin is widely available, due to its inclusion on the WHO model list of essential medicines.
———-

“How a Grass Roots Health Movement Led to Acceptance of Ivermectin as a COVID-19 Therapy in Peru”
TrialSite News JUN 12, 2020
https://www.trialsitenews.com/how-a-grass-roots-health-movement-led-to-acceptance-of-ivermectin-as-a-covid-19-therapy-in-peru/

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger Knights
July 19, 2020 11:34 am

PS: “Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-19 complementary regimen” by Fatemeh Heidary & Reza Gharebaghi
The Journal of Antibiotics (2020) Published: 12 June 2020 at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

“Conclusion: In this systematic review, we showed antiviral effects of ivermectin on a broad range of RNA and DNA viruses by reviewing all related evidences since 1970. … it could serve as a potential candidate in the treatment of different types of viruses including COVID-19. Clinical trials are necessary … On April 10, 2020, FDA issued a statement concerning self-administration of ivermectin against COVID-19 [43] referring to recently published in vitro study on this subject [15]. FDA highlighted that this type of in vitro study is usually used in the early stages of drug development.”

DougS
Reply to  Roger Knights
July 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Just hope Mr. Trump does not get word of this…

TRM
Reply to  William Astley
July 20, 2020 5:18 pm

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-35331/v1

Sounds like a similar approach.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  William Astley
July 23, 2020 11:20 am

Ebola cannot be compared to the coronovirus in any way.
Here is a transcript of a BBC radio inerview with a Ugandan nurse a week or so back:
Nick Robinson: It’s coming up to 19 minutes to nine. It’s not very long ago that we were told that the coronavirus pandemic could have a terrible impact on Africa, a continent that has suffered terribly from the effects of Ebola and AIDS, but so far at least, so far it has not turned out that way. This week we’re examining how the virus is affecting devolping countries around the world. In a moment we will hear from the World Health Organisation. First though the picture on the ground in Uganda. A country that has so far recorded no deaths from COVID-19. I’ve been speaking to a nurse in a General Hospital in the Rakai district of Uganda; Maria Nekalanda:
Maria: We really haven’t seen many patients of the symptoms of Covid. Like we have the measures in place, we do have the tests for outpatients that are coming in, but actually we have not recorded anyone.
Nick: So, is it turning out to be nothing like as scary as maybe you thought it would be a while ago?
Maria: Well, in the start we actually panicked. We were thinking, Oh my god, we are going to be the next dead people and it turned out that over time we stopped panicking and understood that probably this whole Covid situation is just not going to be as bad.
Nick: Are you saying that you’re no longer scared of COVID-19?
Maria: Yeah, we are no longer scared. We are following guidelines, but we are continuing with work.
Nick: And do you have all the protective equipment that you would want to have?
Maria: No, that’s actually a part of what stopped scaring us because for a greater part of the season we did not have protective gear. The health workers on the ground that are also handling general patients are not protected.
Nick: What about for the people who have this? You’ve seen people who get Ebola and how serious that is. How does Covid compare for them?
Maria: Comparing Covid to Ebola will be a kind of joke to the many Ugandans that have lived to see the impacts of Ebola, because people can deal with Covid 19 and they eat normally, they interact in communities, until probably they are found out and they are literally interacting with each other. That doesn’t happen with Ebola. Whilst there is an Ebola outbreak in the region pretection is at the very high pitch. People don’t keep running in at out of those particular areas. But for Covid you realise having Health Ministers come to places where Covid 19 is unchecked and Ebola is like 100 times worse.
Nick: Tell me about the lockdown in your area of Uganda or in Uganda as a whole if you like? What sort of lockdown is it and are people happy to go along with it or are they very frustrated?
Maria: People are actually frustrated because they have been financially affected. They’ve lost a lot in business. They are struggling to put bread on the table. They are like “well, you’re talking about a pandemic which I haven’t been able to go to work, why don’t you let me work?” So the whole lockdown situation is like a punishment.
Nick: Have you any theories why Covid is much less serious in Uganda than it seems to be in the UK for example?
Maria: I would think about the lifestyle. Ugandan’s they have probably access to more organic food. Lower cases of chronic illnesses like obesity. But um…we just think we have a bit of unexplained immunity to that disease. We are not dying just as bad.
Nick: That was Maria Nekalanda a nurse in the Rakai district of Uganda

Alan Webb
July 17, 2020 8:28 pm

Has the expected dip in co2 all the Alarmists told us would happen because of all the Covid-19 lockdowns come to fruition yet?

commieBob
Reply to  Alan Webb
July 18, 2020 12:24 am

Only the dumb ones say there will be a measurable dip in CO2.

Here’s a link to a diagram that explains the CO2 cycle. Note all the natural sinks and sources. Note also that the human contribution includes land use, not just fossil fuels.

Natural processes are much larger than the fossil fuel contribution to atmospheric CO2 (which is why nobody expects an actual dip). The only way CAGW alarmism works is by assuming that all the fossil fuel CO2 enters the atmosphere and stays there for decades and nothing else changes. The problem is that things change.

The planet has greened by about one continent’s worth of land (ie. 14%) in the satellite era. That’s a pretty huge change. It means the alarmists’ carefully balanced budget is no better than a wonderful example of Hollywood Accounting.

HotScot
Reply to  commieBob
July 18, 2020 1:55 am

commieBob

Two continents the size of mainland USA according to NASA.

Rich Davis
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 5:42 am

How many Manhattans?

Please people, stick to the approved units of measure!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 18, 2020 8:24 am

Olympic swimming pools, makes for a LOT bigger number. Or you could go down to postage stamps if you want to get really scary.

peyelut
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 18, 2020 10:48 am

Zero HIROSHIMA BOMBS = NO STORY, nothing to see here, move along, move along . . . .

Reply to  Rich Davis
July 19, 2020 2:21 pm

UK’s preferred measuring system is the “Wales”, or for smaller areas the “football pitch” and further down (for both height and length) the “London bus”.

I have seen “Greater London” as a unit for measuring the size of bits that fall off Antarctica!

Bryan A
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 19, 2020 6:57 pm

Considering that the Hiroshima Bomb could destroy 5 square miles and the U.S. is 3.7M square miles that would be a greening area equivalent to the potential area of destruction from 1.7M Hiroshima Bombs

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 19, 2020 8:27 pm

Such comparisons are useless, and often used to inflame. Like comparing the number of US covid deaths with the number of US dead in Viet Nam. One has nothing to do with the other.

Bryan A
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 20, 2020 7:26 pm

You are correct…
I should have said that the current greening from enhanced atmospheric CO2 levels is equivalent to (negative)1.7M Hiroshima Bombs

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 3:23 pm

HotScot
good to see a post from you, hadn’t seen one for a wee while.

Scissor
Reply to  commieBob
July 18, 2020 5:42 am

Nice diagram.

The only reason there is a net sink for CO2 is that some part of the system is CO2 deficient.

Scissor
Reply to  Alan Webb
July 18, 2020 5:38 am

It was almost 418 ppm at its peak at Mauna Loa in May and it was 413 ppm on July 13. (This has to do with the natural cycle.)

The reported value for July 15 was 415.19 ppm. Its silly that the variation from one day to the next might be about 2 ppm and yet NOAA reports daily values to the 0.01 ppm.

rbabcock
Reply to  Scissor
July 18, 2020 8:31 am

The Earth’s temperature is reported to the .01 of a degree. If it isn’t to two decimal places, it just isn’t accurate.

Max
Reply to  Alan Webb
July 18, 2020 10:25 am

They are working on it.

On July 8, the Chinese embassy in Kazakhstan warned Chinese citizens that the country had an “unknown pneumonia” outbreak more deadly than COVID-19.
https://www.livescience.com/kazakhstan-unknown-pneumonia-covid-19.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53363024

Keep in mind, nearly all infectious diseases are worse than COVID-19 Wo-flu.

Ghalfrunt.
Reply to  Max
July 19, 2020 6:25 am
Dergy
Reply to  Ghalfrunt.
July 20, 2020 3:00 pm

You’re kidding right? I believe that Twit post as much as I believe the moon is made of cheese.

TRM
Reply to  Dergy
July 20, 2020 6:28 pm

The question isn’t if the moon is made of cheese. We all know the answer to that. The real question is it Swiss or Gouda?

🙂

philincalifornia
July 17, 2020 8:46 pm

On July 4th, San Francisco and the Bay Area is essentially always socked in with fog, all Mark Twain-like. This is obviously noticeable because of the effect on fireworks displays. This July, no such thing, it stayed hot with no breeze through the Gate until about 4 – 5 days ago. Random weather event, fewer particulates for seeding …… eh meteorologists? Joe?

If it’s a dumb question, I can handle being told. Just curious and also impressed by the irony of the perfect weather for organized fireworks being the year that there were no organized fireworks (allegedly, as some people got their hands on the expensive ones)!

Angus McFarlane
July 17, 2020 9:04 pm

There were several posts on the supposedly record temperature of 38°C for Verkhoyansk on 20 June, see links below:https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/02/arctics-hottest-day-not-so-fast/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/07/remember-when-we-were-told-the-arctic-is-on-fire-and-we-should-all-be-terrified-its-snowing-there-now/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/06/23/climate-change-temperature-hits-100-degrees-above-arctic-circle-just-like-100-years-ago/ However, the 38°C has been deleted and has not been reinstated, see here (accessed on 18 July 2020): https://climexp.knmi.nl/data/xgdcnRSM00024266.dat However, you don’t get the MSM telling you that the record has been deleted. Therefore, the highest temperature shown in the record for Verkhoyansk remains at 37.3°C, which occurred on 25 July 1988 and it is not a record for the Arctic. The record for the Arctic is still 37.8°C, which occurred on 27 June 1915 in Fort Yukon, Alaska.

(Edited, to separate the URL’s) SUNMOD

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Angus McFarlane
July 18, 2020 1:13 am

Intriguing!
The media including BBC got hugely excited by this 38 C in Siberia story. Hilarious if it turns out to be non-existent.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 18, 2020 2:29 am

As I understand it, that temperature reading has STILL not been verified. But the story is now out in the wild…

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 4:31 am

Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 at 2:29 am

Will you please tell the Russians to stop boasting.

We’ve just had the most daily rainfall in the north of New Zealand in 500 years (I kid you not) according to the Met. Service and breathlessly reported in all local media tonight!

And we all know what has caused it…

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 18, 2020 5:58 am

Records might be sketchy from the 1520s, despite the meticulous record-keeping of the Maori Met Office?

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 18, 2020 3:27 pm

How good is your medieval Taiwanese? (That’s where the Maoris came from.)

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 18, 2020 5:14 pm

不好!

But I think they came from Polynesia? Indigenous Taiwanese may also come from Polynesia.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 18, 2020 11:11 pm

Well, I guess it must have been very wet ~2000 years ago for Tane Mahuta (It’s a bloody big tree) to plant some roots!

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 19, 2020 4:16 am

Polynesians came from Peru or Chile. People always thought the Maoris were Polynesians until someone did the genetics, and found that they were Taiwanese.

http://library.ifla.org/2689/

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 19, 2020 5:01 am

Correction – it seems that most colonisation of the Pacific islands came from Asia, and spread eastward across the Pacific; not from South America.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/111/13/4826.full.pdf

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 19, 2020 6:59 am

I think you’re misinterpreting the abstract of that Taiwanese paper, Phil, due to its broken English.

During process of immigration from Taiwan to New Zealand, revealing the two races connected.

I think that the correct understanding would be:

Modern immigration from Taiwan to New Zealand has increased and researchers have noticed that immigrants of known indigenous Taiwanese origin have similar DNA to Maori.

They also analyzed the oral histories of the two groups and found some similarities as might be expected if they have a distant common ancestor.

That would be consistent with the idea that Polynesia was the common origin for the Maori and the indigenous Taiwanese.

I don’t find any references that would confirm your interpretation, but the official NZ government site contradicts it.

https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/living-in-nz/history-government/a-brief-history

Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 20, 2020 3:23 am

Rich
The Maoris who originally settled New Zealand (Aoteoroa, the land of the long white cloud) 800 years ago came from Taiwan. Not Polynesia, not South America, not Californian not anywhere else. Genetic research has made that clear. They were the first humans in that country.

However looking for scientific information now about genetics and race is impossible due to the political schlerosis on the taboo subject having more or less shut down communication on the issue. But it is what it is. Maoris came from Taiwan 800 years ago. Be a creationist and deny it if you like, it’s your first amendment right.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alastair Brickell
July 21, 2020 8:13 pm

Phil,
First off, I don’t see how it’s even vaguely an important question, unless maybe Taiwan would like to stake a claim on New Zealand. And I really don’t give a rip about it one way or the other.

However, I tend to have a hard time ignoring when there is a false claim about something. (A character flaw).

If you’re correct, then the New Zealand government is wrong or intentionally lying about the history of their own country. If you’re correct, then (shock-shock) Wikipedia is wrong. If you’re correct, do you have one unambiguous piece of evidence? But you could be right, and everybody else has some hidden agenda for not admitting the Maori are from Taiwan. What do you suppose that would be? How on earth is this a creationism question btw?

Redge
Reply to  Angus McFarlane
July 18, 2020 1:15 am
Editor
Reply to  Angus McFarlane
July 18, 2020 10:44 am

Nick Stokes and Greg, are still having hallucinations that 100F existed for the June 20 date, I have pointed out that it was never verified nearly a week later.

It appears that the “verification” process fails to support the 100F claim, otherwise why the deletion?

Donald Klipstein kindly gave me a source that supposedly supports the 100F claim, but a search for the city never shows up:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/02/arctics-hottest-day-not-so-fast/#comment-3027750

I looked HERE for the city can’t get it to show up, even used the SEARCH box, zero results.

Maybe someone else can find it….., until then, the RECORDED high is still 97F as I showed using the links that keeps track of the weather data.

After 13 + days of NO verification and the 97F number still listed convinces me that 100F is a probable lie.

Here is the link that still shows 97F:

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/russia/verkhoyansk/historic?month=6&year=2020

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 18, 2020 7:16 pm
Editor
Reply to  Tombstone Gabby
July 18, 2020 8:59 pm

Still not a validated temperature as they didn’t post the source for it, just hearsay.

Nope I still follow the actual 97F record, which is duly posted.

J Mac
July 17, 2020 9:08 pm
Tom Abbott
Reply to  J Mac
July 18, 2020 4:35 am

I thought there must have been some shenanigans going on on the internet as I kept getting errors trying to connect to various websites. I assumed someone was attacking a DNS server somewhere and I guess I was right. The Russians maybe? It’s always the Russians, isn’t it, Democrats. Then there’s the Chinese, and the Iranians and the North Koreans and kids in their basements.

I hear the United States is going to start going on offense more in regard to internet attacks by bad actors. Blocking attacks will only be part of the response.

And it sounds like the Mad Mullahs of Iran are having a hard time quelling the desire for freedom among the Iranian people. Things are looking up over there.

I wonder if China will send troops to Iran to try to stop an overthrow of the Mad Mullahs. They just might do it as they seem to be acting pretty recklessly lately. Xi’s delusions of world domination may lead him astray. I don’t think the Iranian people would welcome a foreign occupying force. And Trump will be on the side of the Iranian people in such a situation.

William Astley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 21, 2020 1:08 pm

The conservative thinkers, believe that Iran is too weak and has too much internal troubles (riots in the streets and burning of government stuff), for the Iran leaders, to even consider, starting a conflict, against the US which they cannot win militariarily.

The US, as the last Security of Defence, Madison noted, would respond to an Iran attack, to minimize Iran casualties and remove the risk.

Madison suggested that logical obvious possible targets (everything that has a low risk of Iran civil casualties and that appropriately minimizes the Iran military casualties would be on table, Madison stated) would be take out some or all of the Iran power plants and destroy Iran military equipment which would shut down the country and set Iran military back decades.

Iran is not the wild card.

There is evidence that something going on in China, China is preparing for something. China is via their official propaganda media was been saying is difficult for the Chinese people to not take action. It will be interesting to see what China does before and immediately and after the US election.

China has completed their take-over of Hong Kong and are working on the South Sea, with the argument that China has a piece of paper that has nine dashes on it, and China really, really, wants more and more territory. The Trump argument is that if a country starts to take over the world by force, they will not stop with one region.

It is dangerous, for the US and I guess the free world, that the US democratic candidate appears to have dementia. Bidden had what appeared to be a second stroke, on stage, on camera, in January of this year.

Bidden is recently, having trouble, composing a couple of sentences, about a simple subject. He adds words to his sentences, that he remembers and that he has used in the last couple of days, that have zero to do with the subject of what he is trying to say.

Bidden’s sentences are not confusing, they are the sentences of a man who, who it appears due to brain damage, is now child like and manipulatable.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/21/joe-biden-we-have-lawyers-going-out-to-every-polling-every-uh-voter-registration-physician-in-the-states/

July 17, 2020 9:19 pm

I want to share a quote from the Bari Weiss open resignation letter to NY Times earlier this week:

“”A new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else,” Weiss similarly wrote in her letter to Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger.”

This also so captures a lot of what is happening now in the climate pseudoscience world.

As it applies to climate change orthodoxy today, that quote could be reformulated as:

“Pursuit of natural truths in Earth’s climate and understanding what controls its stability is no longer a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose (assumed) job is to inform everyone else.”

I think that captures the current state of mainstream climate science today. A few have taken it as their assumed role to guard the climate orthodoxy on CO2 (and thus their reputations) embodied in things like the otherwise bad-joke on science IPCC CMIP process and how climate change is now taken with religion-like faith by so many, even people trained in science. It also explains the rise of phenomenon like Greta Thunberg elevated to Climate Sainthood by both the UNFCCC and liberal press.

Anyhows, I liked the quote.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 18, 2020 5:33 am

“and how climate change is now taken with religion-like faith by so many, even people trained in science.”

Human-caused Climate Change and fixing it are made to order for authoritarians, and the propagandists for the authoritarians, the News Media, promote this idea at every opportunity for political purposes.

Brainwashing from the News Media naturally influences a lot of people, but in the case of Human-caused climate change, it has had less of an effect, as not many people consider it a big problem, according to polls.

The ones who are truly influenced by the Media propaganda are the politicians, who mostly don’t question the claim that CO2 will cause the Earth’s climate to change. All the politicians try to do is to position themselves properly so as not to recieve criticism for their climate change positions.

The Big Problem for the Western Democracies is the institute we have set up to be the voice of society, the News Media, is lying to everyone and creating a false reality that requires that political power be turned over to the radical left, the Elites who will guide the rest of us in how we live our lives.

The Western Democracies are subjected to mass brainwashing every minute of every day. It’s actually encouraging to realize there are large numbers of people who don’t buy into the brainwashing even as intense as it is. We’ll know the number of people in the United States who have been brainwashed successfully by the Media in the Novermber presidential elections.

We will see who the majority really is then. Let’s hope we are not living in an Idiocracy. I don’t think we are, but we’ll just have to wait and see if that Silent, Reasonable Majority is still out there..

The radical Left has control of the Media and the school system. Will they be successful in undermining our system of govenment? If they are not, it won’t be for lack of trying.

The Depraved and MOST Deplorable Vlad the Impaler
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 6:46 am

Hoping this comment does NOT make the migration (will give me ‘plausible deniability’ at a future time … )

Last year (June) I gave a presentation to a group, the central thesis of which was that the effect(s) of all the electronic media in our society is/are having a measurable effect on human intelligence. One of my sources was a book, along with some half-dozen articles from across the spectrum.

My thesis was that different observers, who are, in general, not known to each other, are starting to see similar patterns. The author of the book I used even stated that she started seeing a change in her own thinking/thought patterns, and abilities, NOT related to aging.

For the record: I do NOT own a cell phone; or a ‘tablet’, or a ‘mobile device’ or ‘smartwatch’ or any of the other “essential” electronic gadgets that everyone seems to be unable to spend any more than a few seconds away from. My observation is that people are being turned into “screen zombies”. The above-referenced publications have led me to the conclusion that human intelligence is in decline. Not uniformly, mind you; just that as a species, that “normal curve” with a mean of 100 is now likely somewhere around 99 or 98, and moving to the left (pun intended).

What I see is the human animal letting some electronic ‘brain’ do all of their thinking for them. Zager and Evans keep popping up in my mind: “Some machine is doing that for you … ”

Gifted foresight on their part, I suppose.

Go ahead: tear into me the way my audience did. I was expecting them to tell me to go pound sand, and they did not disappoint, so hit me with your best shots. WUWT won’t remember, and neither will I.

Regards to all,

Vlad

Jeff Alberts

“Gifted foresight on their part, I suppose.”

Except their timeline was WAY off.

The Depraved and MOST Deplorable Vlad The Impaler
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 18, 2020 2:16 pm

All too true, Mr. Alberts; all too true. The fact that it is occurring at all should be the alarming thing. I guess the question becomes one of either slowing down the inevitable progression, or stopping it altogether. I’m not confident of either, which means that as my generation dies off, the decline may steepen. Upthread, someone referenced “Idiocracy”. I fear we are in the early stages,

Vlad

Megs

Vlad, I believe that the social media platforms are becoming a ‘cheat’ method of learning. People are used to getting their information in small bytes. They believe that they have the ‘facts’ when in reality they are too lazy to go and look for any detail, let alone from a broad range of sources. They are also unfortunately, influenced by the number of ‘likes’, the more likes there are that lean to their way of thinking the less likely that they will do any research at all.

I’m not on any social media platform either so I tend to agree with you. It’s likely your audience ‘follow’ social media, hence they are not likely to agree with you. They are in fact influenced by social media to a larger degree than they would want to admit. They themselves need to be accepted and ‘liked’ by their peers. After all when they see all those ‘likes’ then they must be going in the right direction. They become driven by affirmation and when they feel so affirmed then they cannot possibly be wrong.

It’s part of the reason it’s so difficult to sway opinions. Consensus has replaced actual learning.

J Savage

I believe this is true. I have noticed some effects in my own thinking. I have now started reversing the process but it is taking time.

Btw, what Bari Weiss is describing is Gnosticism, an ancient heresy. It periodically returns.

Reply to  The Depraved and MOST Deplorable Vlad the Impaler
July 19, 2020 10:25 am

Vlad
That was a very intelligent comment.
In fact it is brilliant.

One of my hobbies is writing.

I wrote a financial newsletter for over 40 years as a hobby and charged one dollar a copy.

Never advertised and reached only 100 to 200 subscribers a month.

I started a free climate science blog a few years ago — recently surpassed 60,000 page views;
http://www.elOnionBloggle.Blogspot.com

That is a huge difference.

There is now an ability to find a specific point of view, or bias, online ,
completely ignoring contrary points of view.

That’s a problem.

That so many Democrat teachers and professors automatically trust government officials is puzzling, and another problem.

Even worse, you can say anything online, true or not, and often delete it later.

USE a moniker, and no one knows who you are.

I use my real name and never change material posted on my blogs once posted — so if I write something dumb it stays!

Nick Graves
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 7:05 am

That is an interesting point – it seems that educated fools are more easily brainwashed than the great unwashed.

Naomi Seibt gives me a lot of hope for the younger generations, who have arguably been harder washed than we older fossils

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 18, 2020 8:23 am

Amen

William Astley
July 17, 2020 9:40 pm

Here is something interesting in Astronomy.

Astronomers have found an new unexplained astronomical object that is not in galaxies.

What is strange is the object is circular and it emits only in the long wave (radio part of the electromagnetic spectrum) and it appears to be above galaxies.

This is a link that discusses the finding and a quote. In the article, there is a link to a paper, which is to published in Nature.

https://www.sciencealert.com/mysterious-unidentified-circles-have-been-found-in-space

….Even so, it could still be a quirk of the instrument, or a local detection, like the time the Parkes Observatory was detecting a microwave oven. That seems unlikely, given the stringent efforts to maintain a radio quiet zone at the ASKAP site, but it’s not completely out of the question.

That possibility was put to rest when the fourth ORC was discovered – in archival data, collected in 2013 with the Giant MetreWave Radio Telescope, a few years before ASKAP was switched on. Follow-up observations of ORC 1 and ORC 2 using a different telescope, the Australia Telescope Compact Array, also revealed the objects.

And they certainly are odd. All four ORCs are at high galactic latitudes, at some distance from the galactic plane, and are around 1 arcminute in diameter. That’s around 3 percent of the size of the Moon in the night sky, but since we don’t know how far away they are, that may not mean much.

All four are also only visible in radio wavelengths – they are completely invisible in X-ray, optical, or infrared wavelengths.

It’s possible that they could be linked to galactic activity, but only two of the ORCs have an optical galaxy near the centre of the radio emission. One of the ORCs looks somewhat different – ORC 3 appears to be more of a uniform disc, compared to the more ring-like appearance of the other four.

You might be thinking, “Hey, that description sounds a little bit like a supernova remnant or a planetary nebula”, and you would not be wrong. But the researchers already thought of that. For planetary nebulae, the radio spectral index is not consistent with the radio spectral index of the ORCs.

As for supernova remnants, the problem is with numbers. The EMU survey only looked at a small patch of the sky, and detected three ORCs. For that to be likely, there would need to be at least 50,000 supernova remnants in the Milky Way. We know of only around 350.

The team believes that whatever is causing the ORCs is likely outside the Milky Way, like a giant spherical shockwave from some massive event.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  William Astley
July 17, 2020 10:24 pm

They’re giant signs that say “DON’T PANIC”

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 18, 2020 8:33 am

+42

AndyHce
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 18, 2020 4:27 pm

Or the opposite.

pochas94
Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 3:19 am

Smoke rings blown out by black hole axial jets?

Max
Reply to  pochas94
July 18, 2020 11:34 am

It is assumed the event horizon of a black hole is caused by gravity, it can also be caused by time distortion.
Any massive body which has not passed over the “black hole threshold” will still have similar characteristics. For example, light/Energy passing through the time distortion will do so so slowly as to appear as long wave radiation. The ultimate red shift.
A massive solar flare (or electrical / capacitor discharge to another binary star) with such an object could be viewed as a radio burst. Sort of a smaller version of the pulsar.

bonbon
Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 10:24 am

Lead author over at Arxiv with many such papers :
https://arxiv.org/search/astro-ph?searchtype=author&query=Norris%2C+R+P
One curious paper also from 2020 :
Cataloging the radio-sky with unsupervised machine learning: a new approach for the SKA era
And
WALLABY — An SKA Pathfinder HI Survey. Meaning ” The Widefield ASKAP L-band Legacy All-sky Blind surveY”.

Has anyone seen The Movie Dish about the Parkes Telescope?

Reply to  William Astley
July 18, 2020 1:07 pm

I read that article on RT my comment:
Darth and the death stars

niceguy
July 17, 2020 10:16 pm

Extremely severe roasting of RECOVERY (French):
http://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sante/oxford-les-auteurs-de-recovery-tente-de-cacher-des-morts-par-surdosage

The authors tried to hide the death caused by HCQ overdosing. If people died from overdose, it means that these insane doses still saved some people!

Reply to  niceguy
July 18, 2020 4:48 am

It’s not the first article in France Soir covering frauded studies against HCQ.
Not far away from a science paper !
Chapeau !

James Allison
July 17, 2020 10:58 pm

Hey everybody and particularly Anthony and his awesome team of moderators and regular contributors, its been a wonderful ride.

Long may it last.

Cheers

James

Earthling2
July 18, 2020 12:43 am

Well, after 40 days and nights of rain in the Pacific North West, I finally got to see Comet NEOWISE as it finally just cleared up at dusk. I couldn’t see it clearly until after 11 Am local time, as I am a bit northerly and the north western sky is still fairly bright. Not that bright and could only spot it by squinting my eyes and looking a bit off centre, and then could make out the tail right at 11 Pm. Was further north and higher in the sky than expected and just took another look at midnight PST, and a bit brighter. I guess it gets dimmer going forward, as it moves further away from the Sun.

Actually a triple bonus. While waiting after sunset around 10 Pm, Jupiter rose in the east, followed by Saturn, and both very bright. Will be in conjunction from our vantage point later this year as Jupiter overtakes Saturn on its journey around the ecliptic. Before 2020 ends, the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn will happen just before Christmas. These great Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions happen only every 20 years. The last one was in the year 2000. Their upcoming conjunction – December 21, 2020 – will be their closest since 1623.

And then a little after 11 Pm, the ISS Space Station made a very bright most northerly passover and lasted almost 5 minutes. Sure is a beautiful part of the galaxy we live in, and an especially beautiful solar system with the good Earth being the crown jewel in this neck of the woods-galaxy.

Hoping the return of WUWT to WordPress goes smoothly. You can get a real good education here. All you have to know is how to read, and soon you will be thinking critically for yourself.

Reply to  Earthling2
July 18, 2020 4:10 am

One night in moon cycle, they are building a nice triangle, Moon, Jupiter and Saturn.
I had the luck to see it in April and first days in July.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Earthling2
July 18, 2020 8:33 am

“Well, after 40 days and nights of rain in the Pacific North West, I finally got to see Comet NEOWISE as it finally just cleared up at dusk.”

Huh? Where are you? I haven’t seen any rain on Whidbey Island or Mt Vernon area for more than a week, and then it was a light drizzle for a day or so. There have been a few overcast mornings, over the last few days, but no rain. Mostly sunny otherwise. Over the last 40 days, maybe 5 -10 had “rain” of any kind.

Earthling2
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 19, 2020 9:22 am

The Pacific North West is a big place Jeff. I am north of you 300 miles or so, and you are just south of the worst of the jet stream plowing into central BC bringing endless rain this year. Maybe a shift in the Hadley Cell which drives the jet stream? Would be nice to get an explanation from an unbrainwashed meteorologist why this year is different than a few years back (2017-2018) when everything was burning down. The Pacific Ocean is a little cooler…

“The region of North America along the Pacific coast, typically defined as the states of Washington and Oregon and the southern part of the province of British Columbia, but variously including northern California, Idaho, all of British Columbia, the Yukon territory, and the panhandle of or all of Alaska can be considered the Pacific North West.”

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Earthling2
July 19, 2020 10:16 am

“The Pacific North West is a big place Jeff.”

I know, that’s why I was wondering where you were.

Phil Salmon
July 18, 2020 1:24 am

Glad you saw Neowise, Earthling2. I saw it before dawn in Belgium 5 days ago.

Comets remind me of new battery technology stories. They appear and are a sign of hope for clean energy and world peace, for a few days, then they’re gone.

Here’s the latest one: a new sodium-graphite sandwich, apparently. Promises to be as good as lithium batteries but without the lithium. Catch this sighting before it too disappears:

https://www.rt.com/news/495111-sodium-sandwich-replace-lithium-batteries/

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 18, 2020 1:43 am

If it works and is so much cheaper than the lithium battery market forces will take care of things in no time. Remember how quickly all kind of light bulbs, tubes, the lot, disappeared when the Leds came on-line.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 18, 2020 2:27 am

“Ed Zuiderwijk July 18, 2020 at 1:43 am

Remember how quickly all kind of light bulbs, tubes, the lot, disappeared when the Leds came on-line.”

That was not driven by market forces. It was driven by Govn’t mandates.

Scissor
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 5:51 am

To Ed’s point, LEDs replaced CFLs and many other types of bulbs not forced by government mandate.

Apropos to disinfection, UV LEDs are displacing Hg lamps due to numerous advantages.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 6:47 am

No. It was in the case of dreadful CFLs, but LEDS are an easy calculation: it is only short time before the lower electricity consumption repays the increased capital cost.
LEDs are in every way except capital cost a better product.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 7:05 am

Only partially so. But there was no government mandate needed to replace TV tubes and backlit screens by leds or oleds.

Earthling2
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 18, 2020 9:35 am

I like the light spectrum of an incandescent bulb better than LED, especially for reading, although LED is getting much better than it used to be. There was a sale on several years ago, and I bought a few hundred different wattages for next to nothing. Plus for 2/3 of the year, they heat my place with their wasteful heat. But I do use LED in many applications, as it just makes sense if you are paying for electricity or it is scarce. I have ‘free’ electricity at most of my places, either small hydro at the farm, or solar on my RV/truck camper and for other remote off grid properties, although it sure wasn’t free to put it all together.

The one big downer for LED is headlights, especially the ones coming at you in the dark when driving a dangerous mountain highway at night in a blizzard. But if you have the LED, you can see better, although I would fear blinding the oncoming driver, causing a head on collision. It can be downright deadly in the winter snow, especially if a semi truck doesn’t dim its high beam LED lights. I think we need to re-vist that rule allowing some LED headlights, especially on normal mode being so blindingly bright. Maybe LED on high beam if the auto dimming back to incandescent softer yellow light becomes more available. It is a safety issue.

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 18, 2020 3:21 pm

We just bought a new light for our daughters’ bedroom. It’s a disc containing an array of small LEDs. It has a remote control and you can choose between yellower and bluer light, and intermediate. I remember a while back reading that quantum dot technology was allowing leds to emit a range of different colours. I’m no it sure if that’s already in consumer products.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 18, 2020 11:20 pm

A Govn’t bans something is not a mandate? Interesting…

HotScot
July 18, 2020 2:35 am

I met my first Bona fide Black Lives Matter supporter last night.

He got really upset when I said the whole thing would blow over in a few months. I explained these things are cyclical and come around every generation or so – Martin Luther King in the 50’s, then the Black Power movement in the 70’s, and now BLM.

Of course he ticks all the required boxes for a BML supporter:-

Young white male – Tick
University educated – Tick
Lawyer – Tick
Works/Lives in London – Tick
Mother/Father extremely wealthy – Tick
Voted to remain in the EU – Tick
Rides a bicycle – Tick
Gamer – Tick
Attended COVID spreading marches – Tick
Knows EVERYTHING! – Tick

Unfortunately he’s been hanging around my daughter like a bad smell for several years, so I didn’t kick him out the house for being rude to his host (Me) about BLM – this time.

Javier
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 3:57 am

You should read Peter Turchin. He predicted an increase in socio-political instability in a comment to Nature in early 2010 when everybody else was predicting the opposite.
NATURE|Vol 463|4 February 2010
“Our decadal research predictions (‘2020 visions’ Nature 463, 26–32; 2010) provoked ideas — and ire.
Political instability may be a contributor in the coming decade
The next decade is likely to be a period of growing instability in the United States and western Europe, which could undermine the sort of scientific progress you describe in the Opinion collection of ‘2020 visions’.
Quantitative historical analysis reveals that complex human societies are affected by recurrent — and predictable — waves of political instability (P. Turchin and S. A. Nefedov Secular Cycles Princeton Univ. Press; 2009). In the United States, we have stagnating or declining real wages, a growing gap between rich and poor, overproduction of young graduates with advanced degrees, and exploding public debt. These seemingly disparate social indicators are actually related to each other dynamically. They all experienced turning points during the 1970s. Historically, such developments have served as leading indicators of looming political instability.
Very long ‘secular cycles’ interact with shorter-term processes. In the United States, 50-year instability spikes occurred around 1870, 1920 and 1970, so another could be due around 2020. We are also entering a dip in the so-called Kondratiev wave, which traces 40-60-year economic-growth cycles. This could mean that future recessions will be severe. In addition, the next decade will see a rapid growth in the number of people in their twenties, like the youth bulge that accompanied the turbulence of the 1960s and 1970s. All these cycles look set to peak in the years around 2020.
Records show that societies can avert disaster. We need to find ways to ameliorate the negative effects of globalization on people’s well-being. Economic inequality, accompanied by burgeoning public debt, can be addressed by making tax rates more progressive. And we should not expand our system of higher education beyond the ability of the economy to absorb university graduates. An excess of young people with advanced degrees has been one of the chief causes of instability in the past.
Peter Turchin Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Connecticut, Storrs, Connecticut 06269, USA

He had developed his Secular-Cycles Socio-Historical theory in the previous years and followed with articles in which he demonstrated how socio-political instability followed the generational cycle that you have keenly observed.

Turchin, P., & Korotayev, A. (2020). The 2010 Structural-Demographic Forecast for the 2010–2020 Decade: A Retrospective Assessment.
https://osf.io/7ahqn/download

Next time you give a copy of that article to that prick and you tell him he is just a mindless participant of a socio-political secular cycle. He’s gonna love it.

J Mac
Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 11:05 am

Hari Seldon Lives!

Nick Graves
Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 12:11 pm

Interesting read, that paper.

I’d always been a bit sceptical of Strauss & Howe’s Fourth Turning (because sociology) though it ‘felt’ right to this Jonser.

The paper suggests the model supports their conclusions from a statistical basis.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Javier
July 19, 2020 8:15 am

Thanks Javier

Ill Tempered Klavier
Reply to  Javier
July 19, 2020 1:22 pm

Sounds like Heinlein’s “Year of the Jackpot” 🙂 🙂

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  Javier
July 20, 2020 9:31 am

The Marxists have been pushing the end of our prevailing society for a hundred years. This is a straight-line deal for them. This is not a “cycle.”

BobM
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 6:51 am
TonyN
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 7:27 am

HotScot,

If he knows everything, would you ask him who was it that banned slavery, agreed to foot the massive bill for paying off the slave-owners, and also paid for the enforcement of the world-wide ban on slavery? Some with their lives?

Also , could he tell you how long ago slaves existed in Europe, and why that same political culture decided to oppose it, at fantastic cost, some with their lives?

J Mac
Reply to  TonyN
July 18, 2020 11:04 am

+600,000 Union Soldier Lives Mattered!

BobM
Reply to  J Mac
July 18, 2020 7:06 pm

If you’re referring to the American Civil War, the most commonly quoted number is 620,000 total soldier deaths, approximately 360,000 Union and 260,000 Confederate. Others add about 30,000 to each side for deaths of POWs. The record keeping was abysmal.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  BobM
July 19, 2020 8:43 am

The National Park Service lists a total of more than 642,000 Union casualties.

https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/facts.htm

Roger Knights
Reply to  BobM
July 19, 2020 11:53 am

The 642,427 total Union casualties have been divided accordingly:

· 110,100 killed in battle

· 224,580 diseases

· 275,174 wounded in action

· 30,192 prisoners of war

BobM
Reply to  BobM
July 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Yes, “casualties” includes deaths, wounded, captured, and missing. The comment referred to “Lives”, which would be about 360,000 Union lives lost. Casualties would be relevant to the total who served in the Union armies, roughly 2.1 million.

jtom
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 8:39 am

Out of sincere curiosity on my part, ask him his views on Islam, since its founding prophet owned, sold, bought, and captured slaves. Although he lived some 1400 years ago, people still revere him, and name their children in his honor. How can that be reconciled?

Simon
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 12:46 pm

“Unfortunately he’s been hanging around my daughter like a bad smell for several years, so I didn’t kick him out the house for being rude to his host (Me) about BLM – this time.”
You sound like Archie bunker….
And yes it is cyclical, but sometimes during the cycle people like MLKJ make things change for the better.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Simon
July 18, 2020 3:38 pm

Good to hear from you Meathead!
Now stifle yerself, willya, huh?

J Mac
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 18, 2020 4:50 pm

Perfect!

commieBob
Reply to  Simon
July 18, 2020 4:54 pm

Perhaps you would like to compare and contrast MLKJ’s I Have a Dream speech with the vile spewings of BLM and their leader. MLKJ’s message was about love and brotherhood. BLM is the opposite.

Simon
Reply to  commieBob
July 19, 2020 2:52 pm

“MLKJ’s message was about love and brotherhood. ‘ Agree. We need more of that today. It was a piece of history. Pity Trump doesn’t try a bit of “love and brotherhood” in his messages.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 20, 2020 4:25 am

Simon you are the hater. You have TDS 🙁

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
July 22, 2020 3:11 pm

And Simon comes slimin’

See – Trump’s message is the most positive, come together message in recent political memory – his message has been countered with almost unending hate, by progressives like you – who pretty much start with a lie, turn it into hate speech, and then have the nerve to pat yourself on the back for your high moral ground.

J Mac
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2020 8:59 am

Simple Simon,
Back in Aug 1963, Martin Luther King invoked The American Dream, in his “I Have A Dream!” speech. As an 8 year old growing up in central Wisconsin, I remember watching his speech on our grainy pictured old black and white TV. When he said “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.“, it resonated with me. Even an 8 year old could see the honest truth in that statement!

Simple Simon, you attempt to conflate the color blind ‘dream’ speech of passivist Martin Luther King with the divisive identity and color specific politics of the oft violent ‘Black Lives Matter’. One is the antithesis of the other… and you should be deeply ashamed of attempting to draw any parallel between the two.

We judge you by the demonstrated content of your character, Simon. Shame on you….

Simon
Reply to  J Mac
July 19, 2020 2:59 pm

J Mac
Meathead Mac… I agree with you. I’m no fan of BLM when things get violent. What is your issue? How does saying MLKJ changed things for the better make me a person worthy of shame. And that guy did sound like Archie B saying the guy was hanging round his daughter like a bad smell.

J Mac
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2020 10:04 pm

Trying to walk back another of your wrongheaded assertions, eh? So you’re a fan of BLM, until they get too violent for your Simple tastes? How duplicitous of you! The topic was BLM supporters. This violent terrorist movement occupied and destroyed 7 blocks of Seattle, including various assaults, arsons, 4 gunshot injuries and 2 murdered by the ‘nonviolent’ BLM you Simply support. With the support of their violent brown shirt enforcers, Antifa, they are still terrorizing Portland OR.

You attempted to conflate terrorist BLM with passivist Martin Luther King. That is your issue. We judge you by the repeatedly demonstrated repugnant content of your character, Simon.
Shame on you….

Simon
Reply to  Simon
July 20, 2020 1:12 am

Jmac

Clearly you understood nothing of what I wrote. Oh the irony of you calling me simple. Thats made my night

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
July 22, 2020 3:13 pm

Not ‘simple’ – ignorant, bigoted, and self-serving.

Megs
Reply to  J Mac
July 19, 2020 4:43 pm

J Mac the Black Lives Matter movement has nothing to do with settling injustices against black people. Nothing can change the past. The issues they raise are just an excuse to provoke violence, to loot and to spread hate. Hate is the main platform of Extinction Rebellion, Antifa, Black Lives Matter and any of the many other groups who are often the same people with different hats.

When you come from a place of hate there is no way forward and it seems to me that hate is the driving force of the left. The hypocrisy is unbearable, tolerance, inclusiveness, equality, freedom of speech.

These words are only words if you don’t apply them.

An Australian aboriginal friend of mine has seen yet another of her family members beaten into a coma this weekend past, by an aboriginal. Her aunty was murdered some years ago, by an aboriginal. They violence in our black community is rife. My aboriginal friend doesn’t blame the white man, she just wants this to end, she just wants the truth to be told. She practices those words.

The educated blacks in the cities just want to blame the white man, they speak on behalf of the blacks in the outback. They reinforce their hate that has been fed by a woke leftist education system. Many of of the blacks in the outback aren’t educated, that suits the city blacks, they’re in control. Many of the outback blacks don’t speak English, that suits the city blacks too, it means that they will never know the truth.

My aboriginal friend and her mother are two of the most inspiring women I know. That have more integrity than most white people. Hate knows no colour.

Hate is spreading faster than any virus and I fear that it’s too late for a vaccine.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  Megs
July 20, 2020 9:45 am

Their main platform is Marxism.
Anyone can go read the Marxist philosophy on Wikipedia or any of many places.
Marxists believe that History follows “evolution,” similar to species evolution.

For Marx, and BLM, Occupy Wall Street, and his other admitted acolytes, We progressed from Hunter-Gatherer society, to Feudalism, to Capitalism, improving the lot of humanity at each step. Yet, Marx and BLM, etc., declare that we still are plagued by problems, and they are inherent in the prevailing Capitalist system. And, on top of all of that, they know what the next two steps of social evolution are.

The first is Communism. We will all get “woke,” and tired of serving the controlling Cultural Hegemony. That inter-linked powerful cabal that makes us believe in Christianty, in the Protestant Work Ethic, in the Nukelar Family, and other such social-belief Tools of Oppression. When enough of us are “woke” enough, we will overthrow the Prevailing Cultural Hegemony in a Bloody Revolution.

We will all upgrade our Society Operating System to Communism 1.0 OS. Bugs will be worked out with successive revisions.

This will work so wonderfully that we will progress to the next step: elimination of government ALTOGETHER.

All of what I say FITS everything you have been seeing and hearing. And, is fully admitted and documented by the Marxists.

If you are not aware of all of this history, it is largely because the Marxists have wisely been restrained in revealing their MO, while teaching you all of this in college, etc.

To start learning: READ! Goo gle “Marxism,” “cultural hegemony,” “The Frankfurt School,” “The Original Port Huron Statement,” “The Long March Through The Institutions,” “Rules for Radicals,” then go read what has been published lately about the founders of BLM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

commieBob
Reply to  Megs
July 21, 2020 7:39 am

Marxists believe that History follows “evolution,” similar to species evolution.

They are absolutely right! Also, they don’t understand evolution. Evolution works by performing many experiments, the vast majority of which die.

Marxism is a failed experiment and, as such, is a great example of how evolution works. ie. the Soviet Union and every other Marxist experiment has collapsed in abject failure after much bloodshed and human misery.

Karma dictates that there should be re-education camps for Marxists. (just kidding, really)

Joseph Campbell
Reply to  Simon
July 19, 2020 1:35 pm

Ask him if he knows who purchased the first slave in what became america. Hint: Anthony Johnson…

Joel Snider
Reply to  Simon
July 21, 2020 10:43 am

There is absolutely NO correlation between what’s happening in the streets now and what MLK stood for. These people would call him an Uncle Tom.

Dena
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 7:23 pm

Glen Beck does a good deal of history and he did something on the black march to freedom. I am pretty sure it will set most any Democrat/Progressive off if you can get them to sit still long enough to review the whole thing including the links. Just the thing to show that the Democrats aren’t the friends of the Black people however I suspect it will not change is mind as he already knows everything.
https://www.theblaze.com/video/timeline-surprising-historical-facts-the-democratic-party-wouldnt-want-you-to-know

philincalifornia
Reply to  HotScot
July 18, 2020 8:21 pm

Thinks the USA is called America – Tick
Wonders why people here own guns and ammo – Tick

Show him this:

Megs
Reply to  philincalifornia
July 19, 2020 3:31 am

Inspiring Philincaifornia!

J Mac
Reply to  philincalifornia
July 19, 2020 9:13 am

Thanks, Phil! We need more voices like this, reaching out to all with pro-American values.

Megs
Reply to  J Mac
July 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Isn’t that YouTube video brilliant! It’s uplifting to see such a positive attitude.

sonofametman
Reply to  HotScot
July 20, 2020 12:49 am

I have a friend, a nice chap, who is now so ‘woke’ it makes me cringe. When he and his (wealthy) partner were guests in a holiday home I’d rented, he chose to criticise my choice of reading material ( I read the Spectator) as too right-wing for his tastes. He declined my suggestion that he try reading it for a while instead of taking that on trust. Last weekend they invited us round for dinner. BLM came up and he waxed lyrical about how the ‘demonstrations’ had made him think about his white privilige and the slave trade. He even expressed sympathies for the idea of reparations. On Covid-19, he was horrified at my suggestions that the infectivity here in Scotland is now so low that we should a) not have compulsory face-masks anywhere and b) open everything up normally again.
I was being honest, he thought I was just playing devil’s advocate.
People like him seem to be ‘data poor’ . Orthodoxy and feelings over facts.
I have (almost) given up on him.

PS. There’s nothing wrong with cycling per se. I’ve being getting to work on my bike for 50 years, and now that my right hip is rotting it’s the only way I can get decent exercise without too much pain. I agree that cycling does attract some hipsters though, you spot the ‘cool’ bikes and leather shoulder bags a mile off. Ugh.

Phil Salmon
July 18, 2020 2:41 am

Earth’s population will soon start falling, earlier than expected:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

Anyone told Jeff Gibbs and Mike Moore?
Not to mention Paul Ehrlich who I believe is still alive.

Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 4:41 am

I would like to say God Bless John Lewis. John Lewis is a long-time Democrat in the House of Representatives, who passed away overnight.

I didn’t agree with John Lewis’ Liberal politics, but I praise him for the way he acted in fighting racial injustice. He, along with Martin Luther King, espoused non-violence to bring about change, and in the end, the non-violent way was the way to success. Violence would have only harden attitudes, not changed them.

We lost a good, humane man last night.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 12:49 pm

Tom
“I didn’t agree with John Lewis’ Liberal politics, but I praise him for the way he acted in fighting racial injustice. He, along with Martin Luther King, espoused non-violence to bring about change, and in the end, the non-violent way was the way to success. Violence would have only harden attitudes, not changed them.”
Good comment……

A Call for Honesty
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 20, 2020 3:24 am

Why, if Lewis was so concerned with non-violence, was he full of praise for Mandela when the latter died? Mandela believed that the end justified the means and that violence was justified. Mandela went behind the back of Albert Luthuli – who as president of the African National Congress was insistent on opposing violence to achieve political goals – to start an armed insurrection and was rightly considered as a terrorist by the US authorities.

From the time Mandela became president in 1994 till now over 500 000 “blacks” have been murdered in South Africa – well over 99% by their own people. This is Mandela’s legacy but did John Lewis ever called Americans to condemn this ongoing killing of black people? However, he was happy to take the Congressional Black Caucus to Mandela’s funeral. Blessed are the peacemakers but I am not sure historical reality shows that this description fits either Lewis or Mandela, nor does it support the hogwash Lewis spouted in his press release upon Mandela’s death in 2013.

Sadly, truth is the real victim in politics and the media today.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  A Call for Honesty
July 20, 2020 11:14 pm

No no no. Blessed are the cheesemakers.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  A Call for Honesty
July 21, 2020 5:58 am

“Why, if Lewis was so concerned with non-violence, was he full of praise for Mandela when the latter died? Mandela believed that the end justified the means and that violence was justified.”

It’s normal to say nice things about the recent dead. It doesn’t mean Lewis agreed with the idea that violence was justified. In fact, Lewis whole life was dedicated to *non-violent” protests and acted accordingly. And his non-violent method proved to be successful.

Lewis was badly beaten during the demonstrations but that never made him turn to violence. And the American people were horrified to watch these beatings on their televisions and this led directely to the Civil Right Act shortly thereafter.

I don’t agree with hardly any of Lewis’ leftwing politics but I do agree with his non-violent stance and that’s why I praise him. Too bad the current generation doesn’t see it the way Lewis and Martin Luther King Jr. saw it. Violence only leads to more violence. That’s what Lewis and King understood.

The violent Anarchists will lose in the end.

Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 4:48 am

I have an iPhone 11 and I have the intrusive “Alexa” turned off. Or so I thought.

Yesterday I was using the phone to look at Amazon’s website where I was scrolling through a list of books on the best seller list, and then I received a phone call where we discussed getting a “Ring video doorbell, and after the call ended I went back to scrolling through the book titles and when I scrolled to the next page down, right in the middle of the book listings was an advertisement for a Ring Doorbell!

I assume that even though I turned off Alexa, she is still intruding on my conversations. How else would a completely unrelated advertisement suddenly appear among the books?

I would like to put Alexa to sleep until I wake her up. Anyone know how to do this?

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 5:22 am

Threw it away, as far as possible
D

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 5:25 am

Use your old Nokia instead, it still allows for phone calls and SMS; but may not be as entertaining and Amazon will be disappointed.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 8:12 am

I don’t know how to put Alexa to sleep but any of these things that “come on” when you speak a certain word rather than flip a switch or push a button are always listening.
If they weren’t, how could they “turn on” when they hear the right word?

Earthling2
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 19, 2020 9:40 am

I have the Apple watch and heart monitoring, paired with my iPhone11 Pro. Siri is starting to do strange things like tell me the time when the word time is spoken, or now Siri is telling me to breath, when I am actually not breathing that well. Or if my heart rate is too low or too high, she will notify me if I don’t have Do Not Disturb turned on. Good tech if it isn’t abused by someone that is recording/listening to everything we do.

I trust Apple more than Google or Microsoft, but still I wonder if I should be wrapping my iPhone in tinfoil and put it in the microwave. But then it would be useless for anything. Would be nice to see a bill of rights regarding privacy with smart phones/internet and regulating these tech giants what they can do and what they can’t. I don’t get many ads cause I run a script blocker, so they should know that and give up on me.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Earthling2
July 19, 2020 4:18 pm

I remember there was a big flap about some Government facility built to record emails and phone calls and such.
If I remember correctly the courts said “No, you can’t do that”.
It’s still there. I wonder what all those data banks are being used for?
(Or maybe Hillary’s emails used up all the space? 😎

Earthling2
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 20, 2020 9:50 am

Actually, I recall that several of these ‘data’ centres were being built in the USA, several in Utah IIRC. This was some years ago now, but caused a surge in prices for RAM and CPU’s, which is why the semiconductor stocks did so well because the demand from Homeland Security and the intelligence agencies was so great.

Their purpose was to record every single bit of data that went through the dozen main USA nodes for internet traffic. Absolutely everything sent digitally is recorded, even encrypted traffic since once day it may be easier to have this data unencrypted. So it is true, which is old news, but everything possible is recorded that goes through USA backbone. Which is a lot of the planets internet traffic. China is now doing the same, with Zoom traffic and a lot of their high tech security cameras such as Hikvision, which all data/video is accessible to mainland China. This is why current apps like TikTok are starting to be banned from some institutions in the West, since it is basically a slave to China and all the data transits through China servers. Which is also why PDJT made a very smart decision to single handedly start banning new Huawei 5G cell equipment, since it has back doors to send any data back to China. Time to get the old CB radio out, if you don’t want to be tracked.

jtom
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 8:47 am

Unplug it. Plug it in when you want to use it.

And don’t dismiss the possibility of a coincidence. I see ads for Ring, frequently. When I first heard the stories of eavesdropping, I routinely said, “we need to buy some septic tank treatment. We have septic tank problems.” Must have said it a dozen times. Never saw an ad for a product, not even when logged into Amazon, nor an email for products. It would have been very obvious – we don’t have a septic tank.

TonyL
Reply to  jtom
July 18, 2020 10:22 am

You have been monitored and tracked for years now. The system knows where you live, and what municipal hookups you have. The system knows you do not have a septic tank, and the algorithm was able to determine that you were trolling it. That is why it did not respond.

Case Study:
People would “casually” mention visiting some random foreign city. Then count the ads for “Cheap Air Fares” as the flooded in. This was really giving the game away.
The system responded by checking if the target person at least has a passport before bombing them with international travel ads.

“It is not Paranoid if they really are out to get you.” — Anon.

jtom
Reply to  TonyL
July 18, 2020 7:37 pm

Oh, please. I have rental houses in other states, as do many others. Why would they bother doing such cross-referencing of information to verify none of my properties have a septic tank? Anyone or algorithm listening to us would just toss an ad our way.

The main problem with your theory is the same as most all others; it would require a massive number of people to keep it secret (I am especially amused by government conspiracy theories – as if the government could keep a secret.).

You are paranoid if they have no interest in you.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 1:35 pm

iOS allows which apps can have access to your microphone to pick up your voice and sounds. Turn off microphone access for all apps, like Amazon’s app, and all your browsers like Safari, etc, and anything else that you don’t want to use the microphone.

My household Amazon Echo I only plug-in to power cord when I want to tell Alexa to play music.

Megs
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 18, 2020 7:59 pm

I have admitted on this site that my son labeled me a techtard, sad I know. When I was online a few days ago, a pop up notification said that my camera had been activated. I believe I was researching nuclear energy at the time. Should I be concerned?

Reply to  Megs
July 18, 2020 10:33 pm

Just the CIA/NSA. They wanted to get a photo of the person researching nuclear power. No biggie. You can trust the Government…… bwahahahah.

Megs
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 19, 2020 1:30 am

Wish I’d called for hair and makeup!

Reply to  Megs
July 19, 2020 7:35 am

Many times I have seen the camera icon pop up in the task bar, only to quickly disappear. Don’t worry about it as a piece of black electricians tape is the first thing I put on a new computer, and it stays in place for the duration.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 2:13 pm

I thought iPhone had Siri. Does it also have Alexa? how many imaginary women do Apple users need to talk to?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 20, 2020 9:36 am

Yes, it is Siri on the iPhone. I don’t do much talking to computers, and I just upgraded from an iPhone 4gs, which doesn’t do Siri, to the iPhone 11 which does, so I got confused.

I’m reading the Siri privacy section ritght now. It seems that Apple records your data, I assume all of it, and keeps the data in a file unrelated to your Apple ID for six months, and then the data is reclassified and they can keep the data for two more years, or forever, depending on how you read their description.

Apple says you can turn off Siri by setting the “listen for Siri” button to Off, and if you also disable Dictation at the same time then Apple claims the file with your data will be deleted.

Not a word about preventing Apple from being so intrusive. That cannot be stopped apparently. No Opt Out for that.

AndyHce
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 4:52 pm

Disconnecting its power might work unless it contains a largish battery inside.
Put it in a closed metal box
Turn off WiFi is that is its connection to the internet.
Unplug its ethernet cable if that is its connection to the internet.

Reply to  AndyHce
July 18, 2020 5:07 pm

Better yet, take a sledge hammer to it.

whiten
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 6:31 pm

Tom Abbott
July 18, 2020 at 4:48 am

Just for fun… 🙂

You were put to sleep, till Alexa woke you up.

🙂

cheers

Hivemind
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 19, 2020 12:57 am

I was at a class, doing attendance one time and commented that someone’s name was spelt oddly, when this American voice said “That’s not a nice thing to say!” Someone had left their crApple on the desk and Alexa was trying to censor me!. This is why I’ll never buy myself a one of these products. My mind is my own.

David Baird
July 18, 2020 5:03 am

The Black Hills are a beautiful place to get away to, especially during the Covid craziness. The locals are easy to spot as they aren’t the ones wearing masks. 6 days of soaking up Vitamin D makes a body feel good. Finding some nice agates put the cherry on top.
Having deer and turkey walk through the campground while enjoying the morning coffee is a great way to start the day. Oh well, all good things must end. Till next time, it’s been good.

David Baird
Reply to  David Baird
July 19, 2020 10:29 am

Postscript: A 12 hour ride home with no A/C to +100 degree real-feel temps was like finding a dead bug at the bottom of the ice cream bowl.

Javier
July 18, 2020 5:19 am

Hmm, comments not preserved. The ideal setting for a little stir up.

I solved the climate riddle to my satisfaction almost two years ago. I didn’t get to it through hypothesis-driven science, the bane of scientific discovery, but I stumbled upon it through good old-fashioned evidence-driven science. The kind that Popper and Feynman defended. Go where the evidence takes you and only when you arrive at destination make your hypothesis. Hypothesis-driven science inevitably leads to a confirmation-bias trap. Climate is extremely complicated and to have a chance to understand it a good thermodynamics understanding is a must. I started laying out the clues in a series of articles here at WUWT, but I didn’t like the response. Probably not the right audience. Here people that do correlation analysis using sunspot numbers to shun a solar effect are revered as the scientific apotheosis.

People have been looking for a simple answer to the climate problem. Most think is the CO2, a few think is the Sun, others think is the clouds. The answer is not that simple, obviously, or it would have been solved long ago. Scotese has the answer right in front of him when he analyzes the equator-to-pole temperature gradients of the past.
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The temperature of the Earth is determined by how much energy moves along that gradient, and the Sun is a key regulator in a way that could never be detected with sunspot number correlations. Arctic amplification is not what it seems. And natural variability is a huge confounding factor because the 60-year oscillation that affects the entire climate system essentially takes energy from the surface and returns it 30 years later. Although in the long term the oscillation is neutral, on multi-decadal timeframes it determines whether there is warming or not, regardless of what the real causes are doing.

I even wrote an article on January 2019 entitled “How the Sun cools the Earth” where the main evidence I had found was to be shown, but finally I decided not to publish it. My past experiences had shown that WUWT was no longer a place for scientific discovery. The place where people like Bill Illis or Ferdinand Engelbeen came to show and discuss what they had found. It has become a sort of tribal outlet where one tribe supporters come for reinforcement and very few commenters are genuinely interested in learning and discovery.

I’ve been trying to publish what I have found in a scientific venue since, but I have the same problem. Everybody thinks they have the answer and nobody is ready to listen. To my knowledge what I have found has not been published, not even discussed elsewhere. It is a weird feeling to think that perhaps I am right and I am the only (or one of very few) person to know why and how the climate has been changing over the past century. Something that if told would make most people think I am a loony. “Hey, Javier thinks he understands climate change and nobody else does. What a loony.” And if I tell, most people would not understand it, would not have any reason to trust what I say, and would just shrug and continue. Nobody that has a different hypothesis would abandon it and they would come to refute or find a different explanation to what I say. Only time can settle this issue, so I will just sit down and wait to find if I was really one of the first to stumble upon the answer or just a loony. I don’t really care that much if people know the truth or not. I am not an evangelizer. For me this was always about me knowing the truth, and I now think I know it.

If somebody else wants to find out they can start from my 2018 articles and continue from there. The answer lies at the end and the fun is the journey.

Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 5:44 am

Javier,
Take care, there is always the Wayback Machine 😉

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
July 18, 2020 7:49 am

Spoil sport!

Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 5:51 am

Javier,

I recommend that you start with Research Gate and then move to the Science Publishing Group.

Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 6:02 am

Following the graph, we are in between cooling greenhouse and icehouse.

Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 6:32 am

The temperature of the Earth is determined by how much energy moves along that gradient, and the Sun is a key regulator in a way that could never be detected with sunspot number correlations.

Your second premise is shattered here:

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Over different time periods, locations along the energy gradient have the same sunspot threshold, because of ocean circulation.

And natural variability is a huge confounding factor because the 60-year oscillation that affects the entire climate system essentially takes energy from the surface and returns it 30 years later.

Solar energy is absorbed at depth, not ‘heat taken down’, to be returned 30 years later.

Your complaints are just as bad.

Javier
Reply to  Bob Weber
July 18, 2020 7:50 am

Not here to defend my hypothesis of climate change against other people’s hypotheses. That’s unproductive. But direct solar effects is a second order factor, as is the increase in CO2. Indirect solar effects is where the real game at centennial scales is taking place, and indirect solar effects is one of the least known factors in climate. Indirect solar effects have lags of decades. You have to study paleoclimatology to see that.

Regarding the 60 year multidecadal oscillation, you are wrong to ignore it. That figure in there is from the original description of the AMO. Schlesinger & Ramankutti, 1994 in Nature, to which I have added in red the 15-year averaged rate of warming in °C/year obtained from HadCRUT 4.6

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Temperature responds to the rate of warming with a 90° phase shift, as expected. And the 60-year oscillation is real on a planet scale.

That’s a wave of energy moving through the system on a multidecadal timescale that neither CO2 nor the Sun can explain. It is the result of the atmospheric and oceanic delays in the transfer of energy within the climate system. It cools the planet on the lows and warms the planet on the highs without changing the total long-term energy input/output.

WBWilson
Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 8:58 am

Javier,

There are still many here who come for the science, though you are right that the tone has changed. I, for one, greatly appreciate your contributions and eagerly await your next article. Don’t let the animus get you down. Keep fighting the good fight. You seem fearless to me.

Scissor
Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 9:20 am

Direct solar effects is a second order factor? How can that be?

Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 8:00 pm

Javier said And the 60-year oscillation is real on a planet scale.

I did reply earlier but it wasn’t posted. Your alleged 60 yr velocity of warming cycle (for the AMO) has a shorter time from the first peak to the trough than from the trough to the second peak, indicating it’s not periodic at 60yr. There aren’t 60 yr cycles on a planet-scale because each basin has a different volume and proximity to the poles and equator and receives/dissipates energy at different timescales.

So there’s no 60-yr cycle to ignore, unless you’ll be back to try and show another one.

The energy moving through the system is included in my work, not neglected, and is accounted for by prior solar activity, as I have connected direct solar activity to what you are calling indirect solar effects, which I call lagged accumulation effects from the influence of solar activity on the tropics over time. Indirect effects as you describe them seem to be sets of independent forces that are not dependent on the tropics or sun. Cyclemania anyone?

The direct solar effect on the tropics is first order with ocean cycles ie your indirect effects follow, ie lagging the tropics. You have those two backwards, but you’re right that the energy transfers cool the planet, a premise of mine also.

Ocean cycles are not independent forcings. Very small daily TSI changes through solar cycles make the changes in ocean basin OHC that accumulate in time, so TSI is primary over the long-term effects TSI causes, your indirect effects.

Direct solar effects ie TSI rules the indirect effects, the ocean cycles. The OHC is a function of long-term solar activity, an accumulator. I originally called my model the ‘solar supersensitivity accumulation model’ for these principles.

The oceans don’t lead the sun so they are second-order effects. Any deviation is nonsense.

The same argument holds against CO2, also a second-order effect wrt to the ocean and sun.

Renee
Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 10:50 pm

Interestingly, fragrances show the 60 year oscillation.
https://imgur.com/a/TW1U3lN

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 9:08 am

Bob
Javier has a point about the sun-worshipers. They are just as bad as the CO2 control knobbers, in two respects:

(1) they consider the climate essentially passive, only moved by outside forcing. This is an egregious mistake, with it you’ve failed before you even start. The planet has a layer of water about a billion cubic km, a liquid with an anomalously high heat capacity, which is in constant 4 dimensional movement. This dominates climate, and has its internal independent dynamic. Outside forcing only acts via the ocean, and resonances thereof.

In this respect Javier made probably the single most important discovery in climate science since Agassis discovered ice ages, Milankovitch the orbital glacial forcing and Wegener continental drift. Javier showed that all post-MPR interglacials correlate exactly with obliquity peaks lagged by 6,500 years to allow for ocean thermal inertia. This showed with unambiguous clarity that Milankovitch solar forcing works via the ocean. It is a disgrace that this finding going to the core of how climate is “forced” has been ignored by a community of scientists all blinkered by their own private climate dogmas. The same research community resisted for decades the acceptance of all the aforementioned discoveries – ice ages by Agassis, orbital entrainment of the glacial cycle by Milankovitch and most pitifully of all, the tectonic movement of continents by Wegener. (I would add Belousov to that list.)

(2) CO2 believers and the sun-worshippers have raised the eel-slippery evasion of experimental falsification of their pet hypotheses to an exquisite art form. To their credit the solar peleton at least engage in debate about the evidence, but for example all of Willis’ repeated evidence/data based falsifications of claims of metronomic astrophysicical forcing – he goes to the data and finds no correlation – are all rebuffed with the same excuse – “you’re not doing it right”. If you take the square of the reciprocal and divide by cube of the the sign of the zodiac then take away the number you first thought of – hey presto! There’s our astrophysical forcing, correlation meaning causation and the direction of the arrow of causality can be overlooked by careful sleight of hand. The CO2 crowd on the other hand have denied the very basis of rational science and reject Popper and any need for their “science” to be falsifiable. They deny falsifiability and they deny the null hypothesis.

The sad fact is that we hominids are just crap at science, especially in politicised areas like climate and nuclear energy. They can’t disentangle the search for truth from all the agendas that they are invested in. Even when truth stares them in the face, they won’t accept it until they’re exhausted all the alternatives.

Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 18, 2020 11:34 am

The climate is forced by solar activity and has been since the early Holocene. Milankovitch cycles didn’t cause the Little Ice Age, nor the warming since then, the sun did. Milankovitch cycles didn’t cause the great climate shift of 1976, solar activity did. What is more useful year-to-year, the true knowledge of solar cycle influences or the Milankovitch cycles? What is more important today?

I am not a sun worshiper, and no, Willis didn’t do it right wrt to sun-climate, as he didn’t account for aggregate effects, starting with the relationship of TSI to SN, and of SST to TSI, where there are two lags of about a year total, nor the effect of whole solar cycles so no wonder things didn’t work out among other things.

This I agree with

Even when truth stares them in the face, they won’t accept it until they’re exhausted all the alternatives.

…as I’ve experienced it since 2014 while communicating all-natural solar climate change.

Fraizer
Reply to  Bob Weber
July 19, 2020 4:30 pm

… Willis didn’t do it right wrt to sun-climate, as he didn’t account for aggregate effects, starting with the relationship of TSI to SN, and of SST to TSI, where there are two lags of about a year total, nor the effect of whole solar cycles so no wonder things didn’t work out among other things.

So Bob, why don’t you show us how to do it right. With code and data. You would even make a believer out of Willis.

Reply to  Fraizer
July 19, 2020 7:52 pm

Fraizer, Willis’ work coincides with mine at a very important place, the tropics, where his evaporation curve conforms to the bottom two plots here wrt temperature:

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I’m working toward making blog presentations of my several works but I’m up against several deadlines including AGU abstract(s) and home construction projects.

Fraizer
Reply to  Bob Weber
July 20, 2020 6:24 am

Look forward to reading it Bob. I think Willis is on to something with his emergent phenomena postulate.

WRT to your post and Henry’s law, oceanic turnover is ~800 years. So back and that puts us squarely in the little ice age where oceans would have been sinking CO2. Something to consider.

There are clearly climate cycles on multiple time scales, not always in phase with each other so sometimes acting constructively and sometimes destructively. There is also a true chaotic component of the climate that can oscillate of it’s own volition.

What the the climate is not is simple, linear and dominated by a single forcing agent. All-in-all, it is pretty amazing how stable the climate is.

jim hogg
Reply to  Bob Weber
July 22, 2020 1:23 pm

“Even when truth stares them in the face, they won’t accept it until they’re exhausted all the alternatives.”

As a general statement about dogmatists of whatever stamp I’d say that’s a bit optimistic. Of course it’s very rare for a dogmatist to catch a whiff of their own dogmatism . . .

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 19, 2020 2:47 am

Bob
Milankovitch is the starting point. At least with them the time signature of eccentricity, precession and obliquity (and all 3 in combination) is clear. So we know that astrophysical forcing can and does move the climate. That’s a start.

Milankovitch forcing explains the long term, low frequency variation (glacial-interglacial) But if you look at the climate record during the Pleistocene there is a lot of faster, higher frequency variation also. This is where attribution is not so straightforward. For it to be solar requires quite a bit of shoe-horning. Intrinsic ocean circulation changes are also a possible explanation.

As I’ve said many times it’s not an either-or question between solar and intrinsic oceanic driving of “short term” (shorter than Milankovitch) climate change. It can be both-and. Experimental chaotic systems include the “periodically forced nonlinear oscillator”. A regular external periodic forcing interacts with an excitable oscillatory system and influences its oscillation behaviour. The resulting system oscillation can either be a strong forcing if it simply mimics the external forcing (like the tides for instance) or it can be weak, in which case the system oscillation resulting from the interaction between the external forcing and the internal dynamics can be complex, such that it can be hard to recognise as being linked to the external periodic forcing. But it is casually linked. However how to prove and demonstrate this is a difficult challenge. Probably new analytical methods are required for this.

Of course, the climate establishment approach to higher frequency climate variation, over the Holocene for instance, is different. They iron it flat by abusing the palaeo record and pretend that it does not exist.

All I’m “asking” is that those who recognise a solar forcing role in climate, are willing to accept interaction between solar (and other astrophysical) forcing and powerful internal dynamics of the ocean. According to the model something like a periodically forced nonlinear oscillator. Rather than attempting to explain every smallest wiggle of the climate record by shorter term astrophysical influences. This is the road toward requiring ocean-driven climate to be passive. Which it is not. The churning chaotic-nonlinear ocean internal dynamics are the force-multiplier that converts a weak solar variation into an energetic response in the earth’s climate that is on a scale that only the ocean can provide.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 19, 2020 11:58 am

Hard to argue with that approach, Phil.

A 60 year oscillator has been suggested as affecting Generational Theory, Kondratieff waves, etc.

I wish Javier would feel confident enough to publish here and hopefully receive constructive criticism.

It’s scientifically incorrect, but we have to get close to a perfect explanation in order to fell the discredited knobber religion and every little helps.

Reply to  Phil Salmon
July 19, 2020 8:30 pm

All I’m “asking” is that those who recognise a solar forcing role in climate, are willing to accept interaction between solar (and other astrophysical) forcing and powerful internal dynamics of the ocean.

Phil if you understood my work you will realize it is all about that very thing:

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It does not mean the temperature tracks sunspot number or TSI perfectly. The tropics follow sunspot activity with a 13-year lag using 30-year averages:

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Real indirect solar effects are CO2 outgassing, the growth of coral reef bases, and food/forest growth due to long-term higher solar activity and precipitation and CO2.

The Solar to Tropics to Polar Ice, equator to poles is characterized by lags too:

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Reply to  Bob Weber
July 20, 2020 12:13 am

Bob,

I can’t find you on Google Scholar or Research Gate.
Link please.

Reply to  Bob Weber
July 20, 2020 3:32 am

Phil if you understood my work you will realize it is all about that very thing

I suspected that might be the case.
With more time I would be happy to check out your work further – please keep posting at the migrated WUWT.

Reply to  Bob Weber
July 20, 2020 6:11 am

Thank you for your interest:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338956230_Extreme_Weather_Events_and_Climate_Extremes_are_Limited_by_the_Duration_of_Solar_Cycle_Irradiance_Extremes

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338955999_CO2_Naturally_Follows_Solar-Driven_Climate_Change

I’ve done more research over the last year and have more material to add now, and am doing more all the time to support it. I’m not on Google Scholar as I’m not an academic or PhD. Breaking it down into blog bites and writing a paper is the big challenge. All in all, I could have been much more aggressive about promoting it but taking the extra time has helped to develop things into an even higher state.

Reply to  Javier
July 18, 2020 2:21 pm

Since we only have 1 Earth climate to study that has any fidelity with the real thing (since it is), there are no true experiments that can be done, because true experiments incorporate control experimental conditions.

Thus your assertion that you follow the evidence is meaningless. Everyone picks and chooses what evidence to form conclusions from. Even the “best” climate scientists, pick and choose.

Examples:
– Use the highly adjusted temp records or the unadjusted station temp records?
– Use satellite temp records or surface temp records of longer duration?
– Which time frame to limit the analysis, using past “poor” recording methods as justification for whatever time frame to pick from.
– Which paleo-recons/proxies of temp or CO2 or solar activity to use and which ones to toss out?

The only true test of a scientific paradigm/hypothesis is to make predictions of things not ahppened. And then see if it works.

Of course, that evidence-based approach is what allowed the Ptolemaic Earth-centric universe paradigm with it predictions using epicycles and deferents to persist as long as it did. It worked until the telescope came along to throw a monkey wrench into it with Jupiter’s moons. Ptolemy even mathematically came up with the planetary orbit diameters using Earth radii. The system worked reasonably well enough in the 20th Century to use it make working planetarium projectors to produce realistic (to the naked eye)sky object movement projections on curved ceilings. Ptolemy’s epicycle theory was constantly evolving to try to match ever more accurate recordings of the prograde and retrograde motions of planets. That is exactly like the IPCC CMIP process adherents and their modellers do today, with their constantly tweaking and refining of details of an underlying invalid model paradigm.

At some point the same will happen to the CO2 climate control knob theory. It is just going to take time for the knobbers’ faith-based beliefs in CO2 to be negated by enough observations, for all they have now is a tenuous correlation of rising temps and rising CO2 … as long as the details are ignored.
As Einstein said, it would only take one observation to prove him wrong (on Relativity). Climate Science has lots of observations to show the CO2 control knob theory is wrong, the mainstream climateers just choose to ignore them.

What I see is a likely way out of all this mess in both Lindzen’s Iris Hypothesis tied his earlier work on Equatorial Wave modes reacting to geomagnetic activity. In a general terms, geomagnetic activity does follows the solar magnetic cycle, but not precisely, and the exception (like Jupiter moons) are pivotal in being able to cast aside unworkable paradigms.

These exceptions appear because geomagnetic activity, effects that reach all the way down to the stratosphere and to the troposphere interface, can spike BIGLY even during solar minimum conditions due to coronal holes, as they do now at this solar minimum on occasion. And those stratospheric effects and tied the QBO that geomagnetic activity can drive changes in the “wave number” which induces changes in zonal to meridional back to zonal flow regimes and its interactions with the MJO that alters the balance of heat flows toward the poles.

Anyhows, that’s my take. CO2 control theory is long dead, the exceptions are too many. It’s just the vested (reputation) scientists that now keep it alive for their paychecks.

Phil Salmon
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 18, 2020 3:42 pm

If Lindzen sees geomagnetism as a player then I might be willing to accept that possibility if the data led there.

Reply to  Javier
July 19, 2020 10:40 am

Javelin
Your comment falls apart like a cheap suitcase
, in the third paragraph.

You talk of a climate “problem”.

There is no climate problem.

The climate has been getting more pleasant for over 300.

If you can contribute to a better understanding of climate change physics, that’s great.

The actual climate, however, is wonderful.

Some people claim a climate crisis is coming, with the hysteria ramping up since the 1970s — people making that very questionable evidence-free claim ARE the problem, not the clinate

Farmer Ch E retired
July 18, 2020 5:56 am

The US reported COVID-19 deaths began increasing 18 days after the FDA revoked the Emergency Use Authorization (my graph below). I can’t see a correlation w/ phased state reopenings or street protests. Any other suggestions as to cause/effect??

Scissor
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
July 18, 2020 7:19 am

You should look at the “hotspots” individually, then perhaps protests look more causal, e.g. around Houston; people spending more time indoors in Southern states in AC; opening of bars and nightclubs; harvesting of certain crops and COVID infection among migrant farm workers.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Scissor
July 21, 2020 12:24 pm

To me, the uptick appears to be caused by an event, not gradual reopenings which are staggered from place to place. (PS -I spent time in Houston in the ’70s when it was much less crowded – Rice U.)

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
July 21, 2020 7:35 pm

Updated COVID-19 graph with data through 7/20 (moving average through 7/17) suggests over 3000 excess COVID-19 deaths in two weeks as a result of the FDA’s revocation of HCQ EUA. Dr. Harvey Risch (epidemiology prof at Yale) estimates 75,000 to 100,000 excess US deaths due to FDA’s revocation of HCQ EUA. Please share far and wide.
https://youtu.be/15Xi6hgHlUo

rbabcock
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
July 18, 2020 8:28 am

Deaths lag day of infection by as much as 30 days or more depending. Most people dying of CV now were infected in June.