Elon Musk: “Give people back their g*****n freedom.”

Guest +42×1042 to Elon Musk!

The Tesla and SpaceX CEO said Wednesday such restrictions have robbed Americans of their constitutional rights.

By Joseph Guzman

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk continued to voice his opposition to shelter-in-place orders imposed by some states to curb the spread of the coronavirus Wednesday, calling the restrictions “fascist.”

Musk commented on California’s shelter-in-place order during Tesla’s earnings call, saying Tesla is worried about production at its Bay Area car factory, where the electric vehicle manufacturer builds the majority of its vehicles. He likened the coronavirus restrictions implemented by the state to “forcibly imprisoning people in their homes.

“It’s breaking people’s freedoms in ways that are horrible and wrong and not why they came to America or built this country,” Musk said.

“If somebody wants to stay in their house that’s great, they should be allowed to stay in their house, they should not be compelled to leave, but to say that they cannot leave their house and they will be arrested if they do, this is fascist,” Musk added. “This is not Democratic. This is not freedom. Give people back their goddamn freedom.”


Source: The Hill

Truly strange times when I have found myself praising John Wiley Price and now… Elon Musk.

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May 1, 2020 2:08 pm

Elon must have found another source of funding to feel so secure attacking the California state government. Maybe he bought some oil wells. G’bye subsidy!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  d
May 1, 2020 4:10 pm

SpaceX is his money maker, That closely held private company is worth a lot. Tesla could go belly up tomorrow and every investor dollar vanish and Elon would still be billionaire many times over..

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 1, 2020 4:32 pm

All true, and only partly because of CCP investment (and assumption of risk) in his companies. He just has trouble telling fascism from corrupt merchatilism when benefitting from both. Now, if he’d only campaigned against Newsom, or come out against China during the Uyghur or Hong Kong or TPP/trade/tarrif/sanction things, he’d be believable — instead of petulant.
That moving factories to China thing has already worked out so well; did you see the Chinese copy of the Tesla that’s coming out?

Reply to  d
May 2, 2020 10:20 pm


Reply to  d
May 4, 2020 3:23 am

People stuck in their homes don’t buy cars. Let them out. If it results in a few extra deaths, we’ll, where are your priorities?

Komrade Kuma
Reply to  d
May 5, 2020 8:38 pm

Spot on.

Where the hell is the ‘freedom’ in being infected bu the likes of say, Elon Musk, just back from meeting his CCP investor buddies to celebrate with staff (attendance compulsory I imagine) where he and his bootlicker apparatchik team infect half or all the people in the room who then infect their families, parents, grandparents many of whom die? Where the hell is the ‘freedom’ in that? Its a bit like the ‘freedom’ of say being run over by an electric car on autopilot which had just a tiny glitch in its programming or which we later found out simply could not handle some critical situations…

But hey Elon has the ‘freedom of making a motza and that is all that matters isn’t it?

Frankly I think Elon Musk is about the Michael Mann of new tech.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 2, 2020 6:26 am

mighthappen if the new launch with live astronauts goes kabloey like the repeated test items did
wont be many witnesses if it does

Paul Penrose
Reply to  ozspeaksup
May 2, 2020 4:01 pm

What “repeated test items” are you speaking of? The first unmanned test of the Dragon Crew vehicle to the ISS went without a hitch (which is more than Boeing can say). While fueling the emergency escape system for an inflight test of that system, there was an incident that highlighted an issue with control valves in that system. This problem was identified and fixed and subsequently tested when the inflight abort test was executed. BTW, Boeing is doing an inflight abort test, because they are “confident” it will work. Sure. There have been no serious problems with the Falcon 9 launch system since then and the Dragon Crew vehicle has passed all the NASA reviews.

“wont be many witnesses if it does”
What the hell does that mean? There are millions of viewers for every SpaceX launch. Why do thing this one will be different? Except that there will probably be 10x as many people watching this launch because of it’s importance.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Paul Penrose
May 3, 2020 11:06 am

Correction of typo: “Boeing *isn’t* doing an inflight abort test,” That kind of changes the meaning of the sentence. :/

Reply to  d
May 2, 2020 10:18 pm

At this point, with Calif.’s spending and the numbers of ppl moving out, including businesses, I suspect Newsom needs Musk a whole lot more than Musk needs him or, Calif. Musk it an expert at getting governments to fund him and subsidize his factories and products. If there is a fight and one has to pick a winner and a loser, my money is on Musk.

Reply to  KcTaz
May 2, 2020 10:18 pm

“is”, not it.

J Mac
May 1, 2020 2:09 pm

I don’t often laud Musk, but this time….. Amen, Brother!
As for me, I’m not asking for my freedom back, I’ve been taking it back for the last month. I encourage others to do the same. Rebellion is a good thing, when the politicians start acting like fascist totalitarians!

Charles Higley
Reply to  J Mac
May 1, 2020 4:15 pm

We should protect the susceptible, the elderly, and those with critical conditions. Proper precautions should be used during the flu season.

But, where is it that we literally punish in every possible way everyone else for being healthy?

We should be seeking herd immunity ASAP to lower the risk of the virus getting to the susceptible. Slowing arrival at herd immunity is stupid and pretending that the panacea is a vaccine for a virus that mutates quickly is even more stupid. Let the low risk, healthy people become naturally immune and everyone will be safer.

Of course, those who are in this for the money, like Bill Gates, want us to focus on vaccines and expensive medications (largely Gates owned, it appears) so they can gain form our problems. Natural herd immunity is free and Bill makes no money from it. Remember, Fauci and Birx are both in Bill’s pocket as are the three main prediction models that started this whole panic. Dr. Evil is alive and well.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  J Mac
May 1, 2020 4:33 pm

Spot on, J Mac. Amen.

d webber
Reply to  J Mac
May 1, 2020 6:14 pm

More public figures should stand up because thousands of average folk get dismissed. The so called main stream media and a lot politicians say they are doing what science experts layout. I am seeing mass hysteria spread like covid-19 has. No talk about science learned from Diamond Princess or Sweden’s more measured approach. The latter has not overwhelmed their hospitals and per capita covid-19 data comparable to lockdown approach.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  J Mac
May 1, 2020 6:53 pm

I haven’t seen any enforcement of stay-at-home orders in Western Washington. I have been on the road 4 out of 7 days at least for months delivering for Doordash and Uber Eats, and no police have stopped me. There are no checkpoints, no cops in neighborhoods making sure people are staying home. Any people staying at home are doing so voluntarily.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 1:22 am

Jeff Alberts
May 1, 2020 at 6:53 pm

Jeff, if am allowed, let me put it another way.
USA in not a united league of nations, of different nations with different cultures and other
varying independence.

As put in another post here at WUWT;

“Mr Trump declared a state of emergency on March 13. Four key states – New York, California, Illinois and New Jersey – locked down between March 19 and March 22.”

Mr Trump, aka the Federal Government, did not ask,request, force, or dictate in that lock down, one way or the other.
It was the choice and decision of State governments and the respective governors.

Now, the Federal Government, in consideration of the same emergency, is directing, requesting, aka ordering all the states, with no exception, to start lifting of the restrictions and the lock downs, in consideration of a three staged plan, in the regard of their own circumstances and their own following plans.

Refutation, contradiction of it, doubling down with the lock downs, lack of any planing that complies with the Federal Government directive, or order for that matter;
consist as an open day light infringement of USA constitution.

Further more.
Acts, that clearly show a disregard and a clear stand against the Federal Government, by any Governor, or State government, in this issue, are to be considered as enemy activity against USA, as per USA constitution.
Is far deeper than a “simple” constitutional crises.
It is actually a constitutional jeopardy, instilled chaos at the higher instance of a fair and just governing… as per USA Constitution.

Where, in consideration of clear and understood intent towards of achieving a constitution jeopardy, for whatever motive, leading to permanent constitutional impairment, consist as an act of treason, with no justification whatsoever.

For the USA, apart from this being a first global emergency in such a mind blowing stupid imprisonment of the world,
also it happens to be the first historically allover the territories of USA,
as a full power transfer from local to Federal command and direction, in the entire history of USA.
There never has being such a full power transfer from the whole territories and locales in USA to the Federal government.

Non compliance and fighting openly and openly forcefully disobeying the Federal government in this one, it is simply an enemy act… especially when the people not supporting but fighting back their local governments,
and clearly standing with the Federal position.

Am not trying a lecture you in this one.
Just putting it as I see it Jeff…
I live on the other side… of the pond.
Never, we all in the rest of “out here”, had or have, what you guys had since day one… and still have it.
To some of us is amazing to simply see and know that it is real,
even when it “lives” somewhere else perhaps,
but still real, never the less.

thank you Jeff.


Jeff Alberts
Reply to  whiten
May 2, 2020 8:33 am

Not sure if anything you’ve said addresses what I said.

A “State of Emergency” mostly means states can receive federal funds for disaster relief/control.

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 3:58 pm

You see, is more than just funds there in this case.
Among many other things, FEMA and Military are not just funds.

Is a full complete engagement of the Federal Government, over the whole territories, accommodated by the power transfer from local to federal.
So much so that naughty Cuomo even asked and requested the Federal government to actually do the “street testing” for him.

“state emergency” in my early comment is from a selection of some else post.

It was then as per the dates given, but now is actually far deeper, as then in the first there was not yet a proper full power transfer from local to federal, yet.
The thing is not automatic or forceful, it is “voluntary” by the local government
request to Federal.

But once in place, it means that local government is bind by the USA constitution to follow and obey the ordinance from Federal Government.

Put simply, once Mr Cuomo accommodated transfer of power to Mr Trump,
Mr Coumo must follow and obey Mr Trump orders.
In consideration of Mr Trump, “the horrible dictator” even wearing a mask is voluntary and not mandatory by force or dictat.


Paul Penrose
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 4:14 pm

The state has threatened fines and jail time for offenders. In some states, people have already been fined. This is about as voluntary as obeying other laws; people do it because they don’t want to be punished by the state. But now with the food supply chain being destabilized, people are going to face much more severe consequences if this continues for much longer, and then they will start to disobey in much larger numbers.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 5:12 pm

Oh Jeff… you can’t go confusing people people with Communist ideas like facts and evidence! You might challenge their opinions! And then they’d get upset!
What next? You might prove that they’ve got things wrong and their dearly held beliefs were in error, and not actually the case! Where will it end? Trump not an infallible deal-making God? Obama not literally a communist muslim? A heavily armed population with all the intelligence and wisdom of an amoeba not a very good idea?
No Jeff, that won’t do at all.

old white guy
Reply to  J Mac
May 2, 2020 5:36 am

finding myself agreeing with Musk gives me pause when reflecting on my own intellect.

John Endicott
Reply to  old white guy
May 2, 2020 6:02 am

just remember, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. This happens to be one of those twice a days for Musk.

Eustace Cranch
May 1, 2020 2:18 pm

By midsummer, none of this government coercion is going to hold. Civil disobedience is growing daily.

Dave Ward
Reply to  Eustace Cranch
May 2, 2020 8:35 am

“Civil disobedience is growing daily”

Then would you please send some of it over to the UK. We have the ludicrous situation that a significant percentage* of the population are happy for the “Lockdown” to continue for as long as the government deems it necessary. And there are now concerns that they won’t go back to work even when it is lifted!!! This is thanks to the disgusting way the media (especially the Biased Broadcasting Corporation) have been whipping up panic, with their constant focus on CV, and the number of deaths. Personally, I look forward to that lot staying inside if the rest of us are eventually allowed our freedoms back – if nothing else, it will keep some traffic off the roads!

* I – and many others – believe there is a strong correlation between those claiming to be happy to stay at home, and the numbers in receipt of government (i.e. taxpayer) money, whether that be through public sector employment, or being temporarily “furloughed”…

High Treason
May 1, 2020 2:18 pm

The Coronavirus hype and confiscation of their freedoms is driven by mainstream media and vested interests. The worst offender is Bill Gates. Riddle me this- on one hand he has publicly stated that there are too many humans, on the other hand he demands that all humans be vaccinated (and vaccination documented) in the interests of preserving human life. These 2 are in total conflict. Dismissing hydroxychloroqunie regimes out of hand is also highly suspicious.

As for mainstream media, since when is it front page news that some 95 year old in a nursing home with a plethora of medical conditions has passed away with coronavirus detected? To die WITH coronavirus (the same genus as colds and flu) and to die OF coronavirus are 2 different things. CDC in particular have been embellishing the death statistics. The current “pandemic” is merely a worse than average flu season. Since when do we crash the economy and confiscate freedom because of the flu?
Time to wake up to this scamdemic.

John Tillman
Reply to  High Treason
May 1, 2020 2:37 pm

Maybe Gates figures that if parents can be sure that both will survive, they might have only two kids. In most of the world such a demographic transition has worked. Whether it will in the cultures of those countries still with high fertility rates remains to be seen. Also requires giving women more options, which meets with resistance in some cultures.

Reply to  John Tillman
May 1, 2020 2:51 pm

Do you think over time evolution will cause increase number of children per female ? If there are genes that relate to how many kids a woman wants will these not be become more abundant generation to generation.

Reply to  John Tillman
May 1, 2020 4:54 pm

It’s a pattern that has repeated on for every single culture all over the world. Most of those cultures were at one time or another, as bad for women as are the cultures that you are thinking of.
Those countries with high birth rates are universally those that are still poor. (Yes, some potentates still have lots of wives and lots of kids, but those are the elites of their societies.)

Reply to  MarkW
May 1, 2020 5:15 pm

In the West women control how many children they have, they go on pill, and for the most part are free from men deciding for them. They are not dependent on men.

My question is that in the West will women eventually have more children due to evolution ? It will be their choice but the genes that cause them to chose to have more children will eventually proliferate.

Reply to  High Treason
May 1, 2020 4:31 pm

Seemed like a hustle from the git go to me. Damn Scamdemic.

Who are the puppet masters.

Gates out to euthanize the great unwashed masses.

Foley Hund
Reply to  High Treason
May 2, 2020 3:38 pm

Wake up indeed!

Gates, like his puke father, is a eugenicist. Odd that the Ted Turner types et al just seem to have difficulty to set an example go be first to self impose their dictates.

MSM is operation mocking bird. Perpetual fear mongering. Repeat the lies enough times till the masses believe. In the world today, it is easy to find the truth if one isn’t lazy nor afraid of the truth.

Foley Hund
Reply to  Foley Hund
May 2, 2020 3:40 pm

PS: How many square feet is Rhode Island? The entire world of humanity fits on Rhode Island.

May 1, 2020 2:21 pm

Many of these restrictions are going to be challenged in court. The Supreme Court has asked Pennsylvania to respond to a lawsuit over the shelter in place orders.

B d Clark
May 1, 2020 2:23 pm

The BBC digs a bit of gossip on musk as well


Reply to  B d Clark
May 1, 2020 3:10 pm

Maybe it is a bit annoyed that its pension fund , which has £27.5M invested in Tesla motors , has dipped .
Somewhat off topic but it has £190M invested in Blackrock Renewables and £ £304M in Greencoat Solar – I wonder if that influences the BBC’s apparent mania for climate change topics and opinions – surely not.
The fund is supposed to dig itself out of shortfall in 2028 , but the Wuhan flu might delay that recovery .
Interesting also to see how much is invested in real estate – what direction is that likely to be taking in the wake of the flu crisis (also of personal interest to we humble house owners).

B d Clark
Reply to  mikewaite
May 1, 2020 3:26 pm

Thank you Mike it does explain a lot, I had no idea the BBC had invested in such ways, more ammo to fight the good fight.

Reply to  mikewaite
May 1, 2020 4:31 pm

Riets got pretty hammered with covid. I lost there, mad some money buying lots of sp500 near the low. I like Brookfield renewables, I like the focus and on hydro electric and the dividend. Solid, quiet company.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Stevek
May 1, 2020 6:00 pm

Gilead sciences, Dave & Busters, SW Airlines… so many tempting stocks right now.

William Astley
May 1, 2020 2:23 pm


Technological help is on way. I want to seat in a stadium, surrounded by thousands of shouting fans (I do not care what the sport is), with no masks.

We could have a Covid-19 ‘vaccine’ by this September. And if it works, Trump will get the money.

Trump has given $500 million, to fund a new breakthrough disruptive technology, that uses the human cells to create a synthetic copy of the covid-19 virus’ spike protein. This covid-19 spike protein ‘teaches’ our immune system how to defeat covid-19.

This is very different than an old medical technology ‘vaccine’.

This is an engineered microbiological entity that is smart and only does what we want. This is the start of ‘engineered’ biology. (Apparently this same technology was used to defeat Ebola.)

This is going to make all of the old technology vaccines obsolete and this is just the start of this new technology. This could be history being written. Some really good.

What was stopping the use of microbiological entities to ‘fix’/change the body, at a microbiological level, rather than dumb chemicals or dead viruses was….

The body’s immune system.

What changed to enable engineered ‘virus’ like entities to do our bidding…

….was the development of software that can emulate any virus or virus like entity in a computer and emulate the bioactive response of the human body.

This complex software representation of the ‘virus’ like entity can ‘learn’ in computer simulation how to defeat the human immune system…

This ‘evolved’ software version of the virus like entity is then turned into a physical version of the evolved virus software.

The evolved physical version of the virus like entity, will be able to defeat the human immune system and then will then be able to do good things.

Note this virus like entity cannot reproduce so there is no risk it could evolve and hurt the host. It only does one thing, once.

It uses some of the human’s cells to create a copy of the spike like protein that the covid-19 virus has. This spike like protein then teaches the human’s immune system how to defeat the covid-19 virus.

Moderna, Inc. — originally called Moderna Therapeutics — was founded on a big idea that would disrupt the pharmaceutical industry.

In theory, an mRNA vaccine enables scientists to plug a small piece of the corona virus’s genetic code into a human cell to create a synthetic copy of the virus’s spike protein.

That’s the part of SARS-CoV-2 that resembles a plastic bristle on a hairbrush, and which attaches to human cells.

Because it is just a small portion of the virus, the synthetically created spike protein can’t infect a person. And partly because there is no need to manipulate a virus in the lab, the process is faster.

William: Completed in 42 days rather than 1 to 2 years.

The coronavirus spike-protein lookalike would then be produced by the body’s own cells. If all goes well, the body then counterattacks the “invader” — the synthetic antigen created by a person’s own cell — with antibodies.

The technology “teaches the human body to recognize the virus by teaching the body to make snippets of the virus on its own,” said Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer.

On January 11, Chinese researchers released the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2, a 30,000-character string of the letters a, u, g and c.

Largely because of the ongoing cooperation between Moderna and NIH, the process of designing the mRNA for delivery was lightning fast. Indeed, it took just 42 days, as Bancel told Trump.

Reply to  William Astley
May 1, 2020 2:41 pm

“The coronavirus spike-protein lookalike would then be produced by the body’s own cells. If all goes well, the body then counterattacks the “invader” — the synthetic antigen created by a person’s own cell — with antibodies.”

Or the body counter attacks the bodies own cells, a massive cytokine storm ensues, and the subject dies.
This happened with many of the SARS and MERS vaccines. When challenged, the immune reaction was too strong, and in these animal tests, the animals died.

William Astley
Reply to  a_scientist
May 1, 2020 5:48 pm

I hear you. …. if it works. The proof is when we are walking around smiling and getting hugs from other smiling people.

This fast breakthrough is only possible because of Covid and because Trump is a risk taker and he was at the right place at the right tim.

From what I had heard before Covid, this new technology is a gamer changer and most of the medical industry prefers the old game. It cut costs (42 days to develop ‘vaccine’ verses a year and then possible failure) and is significantly more effective.

This is different than a virus. A virus is complicate and the body’s response to a virus is complicate.

This same technique was used to defeat, Ebola, one of the most dangerous viruses in the world.

This smart virus like entity will just cause some of our cells to create an exact copy of the spike like protein.

The spike like protein will not be delivered to the lungs as it is not in a virus. It will not replicate.

The human tests will confirm effectiveness and side effects of the spike like protein, to train the human immune system.

The virus like entity can be programmed to make specific necessary changes to the body at a microbiological level that would be impossible to do using dumb chemicals. So this is just the start.

Reply to  William Astley
May 1, 2020 3:03 pm

Moderna technology is very interesting, I wish them success. Another interesting technology is that of Regeneron’s magical mice used to make antibodies for humans.


William Astley
Reply to  Stevek
May 1, 2020 5:57 pm


There is another US company that used 5 antibodies that were developed for SARS and then evolved them using a new lab based system to enable them to recognize covid.

All five antibodies were effective in killing covid. The antibodies have been sent to the US military lab for tests.

Human tests are scheduled for August if all goes well. The optimized antibodies start working in 20 minutes. So a sick person can be treated very quickly. This would take away the fear of covid.



Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  William Astley
May 1, 2020 3:57 pm

If you put your trust in an mRNA-based and DNA-based vaccines for what is a deep lung/respiratory viral pathogen, then you are a fool.

We don’t need to go down that road making those. We know how to make effective live, attenuated vaccines from replicative viruses to counter respiratory viruses. And non-replicating viral like vaccines carrying viral antigen are the exactly wrong way to do it. They are far more likely to induce immunopathology once the vaccinee is infected with the real, wild-type virus down the road. That is, the vaccine that only induces a strong antibody response to a lung viral pathogen will end up killing people instead of protecting them.

The only reason this technology is being pushed is because it is patentable, and thus promises a fortune to those who get to FDA licensure first.

And if you don’t understand why that is, then you have no business pushing this junk as “exciting”.

William Astley
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 1, 2020 6:09 pm

It is not a ‘vaccine’.

It is microbiological entity that does what we want. See my comment above. It does not go into the lungs. It just uses our cells to make some copies of the corid-19 spike like protein. It cannot replicate. It does one job and is absorbed in our cells.

I hear what you are saying about costs.

From what I heard, this new technology is too good in all aspects. It was industry push back at a political level that was stopping it. The excuse is always more studies and other things to study before it can be used.

Regardless, our economy is shutdown and the people are getting restless. There is no politician alive that could stop it now if it truly is good.

And there is a second company that is developing the same technology to keep cost down.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  William Astley
May 1, 2020 9:11 pm

Our immune system has evolved for millions of years with viral pathogens. The healthy immune system is not easily fooled with pseudo virus like particles where the lungs are concerned.

If you want to see people simultaneously fighting a deep lung viral pathogen (Corona virus) then at the same time getting hit with asthma-like bronchial restricting-eosinophilia, then the mRNA vaccine will likely do that lethal trick.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 1, 2020 6:36 pm

So, Joel, we should refuse to take the flu vaccine (unless it is the FluMist brand, which is the only influenza vaccine that is not inactive)?

I suppose I shouldn’t have had the shingles (zoster) vaccination, either, and definitely nobody should receive it?

The Salk polio vaccine is also inactivated – while the Sabin attenuated vaccine has been implicated in the development of polio in various places.

(Now, I am not a fan of having the antigens being produced inside the patient, but that is a different issue than the one that you have brought up.)

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Writing Observer
May 1, 2020 7:08 pm

no. the subunit flu vaccine only adjusts your antibody repertoire to previous live flu virus infections to give you B cells making antibody for the expected circulating strains. You already have a robust T cell repertoire to conserved influenza epitopes.

If you understood in depth what happened with the RSV vaccine of 1960’s and how it resulted in immunopathology when children vaccinated then contracted the live, wildtype RSV then you would understand what I’m saying.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
May 1, 2020 8:36 pm

Hmm. So probably zoster should not be a problem (I had the chickenpox when the daughter brought it home – LOTS of fun…).

However, I’ve never had polio – and had the Salk, not the Sabin. So that is a risk? (Although I am unlikely to encounter the “wild” virus. But you never know, if the border opens up wide again just south of us.)

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Writing Observer
May 1, 2020 8:17 pm

Writing Observer,
I can give detailed explanations on why ALL your comments are wrong with what we know.

– The Zoster Vax is a live, attenuated version of the wild-type Varicella Zoster virus. And everyone over 60 yo should get a Zoster vax. Children now get that instead of the wild-type, fully virulent Varicella Zoster they would used to get naturally. Both induce a lifelong herpes virus infection.

– First of all Polio is NOT a respiratory pathogen. Inducing gut immunity is different ball game from the respiratory tract, especially the very tolerogenic deep lung epithelial cells.
Polio is an enteric pathogen that also cause non-productive inflammatory infection of spinal motor neurons. The immunity from the Salk vaccine last only a few years, whereas the Sabin vaccine lasts decades. The Sabin attenuated live virus vaccine can undergo revertants yes. The Sabine vax was developed at a time before we understood the molecular genetics of picorna viruses.

– MMR trivalent vaccine is combination of each of those viruses in live attenuated form.
– The Yellow Fever vaccine is a live, attenuated virus of the YF virus.
– The Smallpox vaccine is a much less virulent Vaccinia virus applied to the skin via scarification.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 2, 2020 9:28 pm

That’s Zostavax, Joel. The CDC recommended vaccine is Shingrix. Zostavax is a live attenuated, while Shingrix is a recombinant antigen.

Shingrix is the one that is CDC recommended, as the studies (yes, I know, but it is what we have) show it to be far more effective than Zostavax at prevention of shingles – some 89% effective for >60yo, as compared to 18%.

Since you gave me some concern, I did some research on Shingrix, since that is the vaccine I received – I have found no reports of immunopathologies. But of course that is not a respiratory virus (mainly).

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 2, 2020 6:38 am

Im wondering why the hell no ones working or talking about using Phages?
Russians and Polish had a huge and amazingly good record of use
canadians and some UK vet chap were working with them
sewer outfalls show Covid19 they also be showing covid with phages destroying it
I thought they only worked on basteria but they DO work on Viruses as we;; Phages could kill Smallpox cells in a agar mix a chap was trying to breed up and couldnt work out why they were dying instead for eg.
the books oni it are out there and Id love one
but at 360$ I couldnt read more than an excerpt;-(

ps someof the CRISPR tech used phage research- but then gm fiddled to make it patentable

Tom in Florida
Reply to  William Astley
May 1, 2020 4:00 pm

“This is an engineered microbiological entity that is smart and only does what we want. ”

Until the day comes when it says “I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that.”

Roger Knights
Reply to  William Astley
May 2, 2020 4:25 am

Coronavirus breakthrough: Doctor featured on Netflix’s Pandemic finds COVID-19 ‘cure’
by Ciaran McGrath

Dr Jacob Glanville, CEO of Distribute Bio, has revealed he and his team have adopted a pioneering approach which offered the potential for dramatic results. He tweeted: “After 9 weeks we have generated extremely potent picomolar antibodies that block known #neutralizing #ACE2 #epitopes, blocking the novel #coronavirus from infecting human cells.”
 Announced in twitter @CurleyJungleJake  
The diagram shows the complicated protein chains that fold into antibodies, which hopefully stick in a lock and key type way to important parts of the virus and stop it getting into cells. Antibodies also act as a flag to other branches of the immune system. This is heavy molecular level chemistry. Is that supercomputer modelling really that good?
This is a longer interview, by CNBC, of the same researcher from the US company, ‘Distributed Bio’s, discussing the new antibody, covid, and covid protection strategies.


‘Synthetic Engineering’

Bio Tech companies have apparently developed and are now using synthetic engineering techniques to optimize bioengineering choices which are currently be made by trial and error and to develop more effective biological systems to produce drugs, including antibodies. A synthetic biologic technique is to test all possibilities in a computer to find the optimum microbiological design choice rather than trial and error.

See also:
Coronavirus treatment — antibodies that work in 20 minutes could give protection for 8 weeks
NEWS: A group say they have developed five antibodies from the old SARS antibody stocks that with tweaking can now bind well to the SARS-2 novel coronavirus.

Reply to  William Astley
May 2, 2020 6:38 am

Best thing right now for the seriously ill is to get an infusion of plasma from someone who has recovered from Covid and has the antibodies to it. All those that have tested positive and recovered should be encouraged to give blood asap.

With all the attention given to high profile projects to create a vaccine I’m wondering what the response will be from the anti-vaxers, especially the over-60 set that may want to be able to return to society without dying from it.

Reply to  BobM
May 2, 2020 6:48 am

as a 60ish very very cautious re vaccines Id be waiting for some time before even a flicker of being willing to risk it
I bit the bullet and had a pneumonia vaccine yesterday and had to battle to get the NON phenol prevnar13
cant lift myleft arm today and really bad entire body neuralgia, my immune sytem is very toey, therefore I am ultra cautious over any injectables designed to irritate it.
plasma is fine but youd want sceening to be rigorous on that too, and the rush theyre under might be making that less than ideal?
even plasma might work for the presently ill but the effect of antibodies being useful seems to be showing s a short time frame like it does with the corona cold virus protection times 3 to 6 mths at best, maybe..
and ps the push to fluvax is rather odd considering it has NO effect for Covid and NASA research said it UPPED risk of covid by 36% or so
dont have the link handy feel seedy so find it yourself;-)

Paul Penrose
Reply to  William Astley
May 2, 2020 4:24 pm

The testing alone will take 9 months, 6 if it is fast-tracked. And given this is a “novel” approach, maybe even longer. The FDA is tasked with making sure that treatments are both effective and not more dangerous than the thing it is trying to cure. They have a slow, deliberative process to do this and have learned the hard way (more times than once) not to short circuit it. There will be no vaccine or other new treatment available in 2020. Early next year is the most optimistic estimate that is believable.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  William Astley
May 2, 2020 5:18 pm

William – some bad news I’m afraid. Every single thing in your statement is wrong. Everything. Probably your name too. In fact, you’re wronger than wrong. And that is actually a thing.
Your reply will inevitably be content-free noise, and will be disregarded as worthless.

John Piccirilli
May 1, 2020 2:46 pm

You lost me when you said computer

Gary Pearse
May 1, 2020 2:51 pm

“strange times when I have found myself praising John Wiley Price and now… Elon Musk.”

Indeed Eric, and Michael Moore! Why not Michael Mann and other prominent officers of the Climatariat? The divide seems to separate out those that cherish the freedoms uniquely American from those who would happily strike down democracy itself, free speech and jail ‘dissidents’.

Michael Moore is in a category of his own. The only way to understand it is that he actually turns out to be a man of integrity and where he seemed in the past to be a warrior for the “progressive” putsch of loathing and overturning America and what it represented was actually simply naivity! He bought into the ‘superior’ world view of the left, believing what was being marketed. Oh, he has a way to go. Maybe he will come to realize that he was only a few steps away from uncovering the Grand Plan behind it all that has nothing to do with love of the environment, CO2, a Warming World and all that curtain material.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
May 1, 2020 3:29 pm

Don’t be fooled. Michael Moore is still a Greenie. His film mostly attacks the big corporations that have profited from the movement.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
May 1, 2020 3:51 pm

Or, maybe after producing a string of duds he was having trouble keeping his investors on board.

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Gary Pearse
May 1, 2020 4:58 pm

Moore is very easy to understand, his docudramas have made him $millions. It’s as simple as that.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
May 2, 2020 2:54 am

Musk went up a notch in my estimation when I saw he was using the box art from Deus Ex for his Twitter avatar. Seems I am easily swayed.

Gunga Din
May 1, 2020 3:27 pm

Maybe he’s glimpsed what “The Cause” really is all about? And how it effects him?
And he doesn’t like the taste of it?
Hopefully he’ll make the connection between forcing all to “Go Green” and the loss of The Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
The excuse this time is the virus. What was it before it came along?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Gunga Din
May 1, 2020 7:02 pm

“And how it effects him?”

I don’t think it effects him, but it probably does affect him. 😉

Gunga Din
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 6:03 am

Thanks for the correction. Made me refresh my memory on the difference.
“Effect” and “affect” are two words commonly mixed up.
“Affect” is a verb (usually). “Effect” is a noun (usually).
At least I spelled it write! … er … 😎

John Endicott
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 6:06 am

And being a grammar nazi is an annoying affectation 😉

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  John Endicott
May 2, 2020 8:35 am

A “nazi” would have called for death. I simply made a light-hearted correction.

I’ve told you a million times not to exaggerate!

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 11:02 am

A “nazi” would have called for death.

“Really” Jeff? I mean, “really”???

Gunga Din
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 2, 2020 4:38 pm

And the recipient of the correction took it as such as I tried to make clear to him.
Rite, Jeff?

John Endicott
Reply to  John Endicott
May 3, 2020 8:43 am

Gunga, your posted hadn’t yet shown up when I made my comment. But regardless, Jeff’s constant grammar nazi-ing remains an annoying affectation of his. And, as he’s so quick to correct others use of terms, “grammar nazis” are not actual nazis.

grammar Nazi (plural grammar Nazis) (slang, idiomatic) A person who habitually corrects or criticizes the language usage of others.

Jeff you fit that definition to a tee. Don’t like it? than don’t do it.

Gunga Din
Reply to  John Endicott
May 3, 2020 5:32 pm

Sure, it can be annoying at times. But sometimes correction is needed and can be instructive.
It gets to be annoying when it enters the “nitpicking” (and the defense of the “nitpick”) phase.
(And sometimes when people are just throwing up a quick comment and it gets “proofed”.)

PS I really did appreciate being reminded of the difference between “affect” and “effect”.)

Reply to  Gunga Din
May 2, 2020 9:55 am


Nick Schroeder
May 1, 2020 3:38 pm

We are the second occupied new house on a street of maybe 40-45. Had to install a garage door opener. Went to both Home Depots – twice. They looked like TSA check points.

House construction around us continues.
Trades show up every day.
Excavation continues apace.
Foundations formed and poured.
Framing, roofing, landscaping.
Residential, commercial, industrial, I-25 expansion might have paused, looked around and went right back at it.
They have neither time nor money for this foolishness especially when Covid-19 is obviously tearing a new AH in a half dozen health care shit hole states/cities and pretty much nowhere else.

Restaurants that could, which appears to be most of them, adapted to take out, curb side, drive in. The nearest Chik-fil-a has a parking lot full of drive thru customers every mealtime.

The traffic on I-25 has barely relented.

Many businesses are working from home.

Schools, gyms, small restaurants are taking a beating.

But by and large I would say the “stay at home unless essential” (Whatever that is.) is widely ignored.

In retrospect the knee jerk interment of the Japanese is widely regretted as is the Jim Crow era, “Oh, that can’t happen again.”

It just did.

Instead of protesting, everybody should just heave that middle finger in the air and go back to work.

See if that brings out the dogs and rubber bullets.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Nick Schroeder
May 1, 2020 4:02 pm

30 million plus unemployed argues the damage is severe to the economy. And the public sector lay-offs are coming.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
May 1, 2020 5:25 pm

The public sector layoffs will hopefully change the politics. Many are fine staying at home as long as the paychecks and unemployment insurance keeps coming. That can’t go on forever unless they print money. Either inflation is coming or these lockdowns will end. The Fed is suppose to have limits on inflation so lots of the power is with them. I suppose USA can borrow instead of printing but at what point will there be no buyers for the bonds. Rates rise then state governments need to pay more to borrow, which means more layoffs. Gold is now around 5 year high, meaning the market is worried about inflation.

Milton Friedman said that inflation is taxation without legislation.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Stevek
May 1, 2020 7:59 pm

You should google “fiscal dominance” as it applies to Central banks

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Stevek
May 2, 2020 4:32 pm

“Many are fine staying at home as long as the paychecks and unemployment insurance keeps coming. ”

Add to that the destabilization of the food chain that we are just beginning to see, and you have a recipe for civil unrest on a scale not seen in this country in living memory.

May 1, 2020 4:01 pm

Nah see, all of you here are just gettin’ yer “daily whinge out there” on a climate change blog “because it’s really important.”


So just do everyone a favor and stifle yerselves already, k?


Robert W. Turner
Reply to  sycomputing
May 1, 2020 4:51 pm

Just go find your safe place and shelter, little one.

Reply to  Robert W. Turner
May 1, 2020 8:42 pm

Thanks Bob, I’d be over directly but well, YOU know . . .

But hey, I’ll bet not even you can find what’s never been lost – at least in (someone’s) safe space that’s “certainly a lot better than posting never ending complaints on a Climate Change website and attacking people on the site who disagree with your view.”


May 1, 2020 4:20 pm

I saw something on Twitter — where I cannot remember and who said said it I do not know — that went along the lines of ‘I cannot let you go out to protect me in case I want to go out’. I don’t think it was those exact words, however. People used to say “Give me liberty, or give me death”. Now, a very vocal minority are saying “Give me neither liberty nor death”.

I have never seen the like. But this much I am certain: Unless I die an untimely death, I believe I will see it again in my lifetime. You better believe that some really bad people are taking notes. And I believe these really bad people are entrenched in the UN. They saw how easily it was to make people say “Give me neither liberty nor death”. The time is not right. Things have to calm down, people have to forget. The situation happened so fast that the really bad people did not have a chance to get what they really want this time. Now people are starting to revolt, they are not pliable anymore. But the lesson will be learned. I am quite certain it will happen again.

Reply to  Wade
May 1, 2020 4:51 pm

Yes there are viruses. Yes they will return. No this is not all about getting “you.”

Reply to  Simon
May 1, 2020 5:35 pm

“Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Benjamin Franklin

Reply to  Wade
May 1, 2020 5:07 pm

As the Rolling Stones song of 1969 “Gimme Shelter” goes… It’s Just A Shot Away.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Wade
May 2, 2020 4:37 pm

There are a lot of people out there that think they have a “right” to “safety”, and that it is the government’s responsibility to provide it. I know people like this and no matter what I say, they just don’t get it. They really think it is other people’s job (by staying home) to keep the “safe” from this virus. They also tend to be the types that think mere exposure to the Covid-19 virus is a death sentence. I guess you really can’t fix stupid.

May 1, 2020 4:42 pm

This is simple. Those who are compromised or just plain scared (not a bad thing) need to take care of themselves with protections. There was no need to shut down daily life for everyone for, as more testing is being done, what appears to be about 1% deaths. Terrible disease? Yes, so are pneumonia, measles, and many others. The cure is worse than the disease in this case and it affects everyone. Some will be economically defeated and never recover. Will they be counted in history for #19?

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  markl
May 1, 2020 4:54 pm

Most people have short attention spans and even shorter memories, but I suspect in November most will remember who’s making this worse than it needs to be.

Chris Hanley
May 1, 2020 5:10 pm

Government policies particularly in the EU and UK have made electricity over double the price it ought to be thereby forcing the elderly into energy poverty making them more vulnerable to respiratory infections that is a major contributor to excess winter deaths.
Around 27,000 so far have tragically died due to COVID-19 in the UK but it is estimated that 17,000 people died in UK as a direct result of energy poverty in 2018 alone.
The UK and EU governments are enforcing drastic social policies on everyone to limit the deaths of mainly the elderly on one hand while mandating policies that directly cause the deaths of that same cohort on the other.

Alasdair Fairbairn
May 1, 2020 5:13 pm

Elon Musk has a weird view on what Fascism is. During WW2 the Brits. endured draconian legislation which severely affected their rights and freedoms; but this was NOT Fascism. After all it was Fascism that we were fighting.
The USA is now fighting Covid. Moan about the legislation if you like; but DONT CALL IT FASCISM.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  David Middleton
May 1, 2020 5:57 pm

Here in Oz we (citizens and permanent residents) are, apparently, being refused the right to leave the country. I’m pretty sure this is not legal, but it is being mandated. I’m not sure how, but you must actually apply for permission to leave the country now. Without a valid reason you won’t be allowed.

There seem to be a lot of illegal rules being forced on us. My daughter, a UK citizen, was refused entry to the UK a couple of years ago. She had her uk passport (did not show her Oz one based on my advice) and was 17 years old. They would have forced her to return if they had not been able to contact my adult niece who was meeting her.

How can it be legal to prevent citizens entering or leaving their own country? I don’t think enough challenges to this behaviour are made.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
May 1, 2020 11:43 pm

“Zig Zag Wanderer May 1, 2020 at 5:57 pm

Here in Oz we (citizens and permanent residents)…”

Australian permanent residents have no rights to vote in state or Federal elections (Nor do NZ citizens on a 444 visas).

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  David Middleton
May 1, 2020 8:02 pm

First Amendment rights are rights reserved To the People and were never the government’s to take. That’s why the Founders insisted on the 2nd Amendment.

Reply to  David Middleton
May 6, 2020 10:46 pm

The Howell Woltz case is why the Second Amendment matters – the FBI and the Law Business are fully corrupted in the USA.

It is as bad here as the USA – the Law Business is out of control – it is a sham that benefits the worst people in Canada.



In 2006, Howell Woltz was kidnapped by federal agents seeking to get him to testify against a North Carolina state official. When he refused to lie, he was tossed around the federal prison system for seven years before finally being released. Today, Woltz seeks support for congress to institute an Office of the Ombudsman in every federal district.

Howell Woltz is an author and public speaker, dedicated to returning the U.S. judiciary and federal government to the Constitution. Recent works include two books, “Justice Denied: the United States v. the People” (2013), an insider’s look at the endemic corruption in U.S. prosecutions today (Kirkus Indie reviewed), and “The Way Back to America: a 10 step plan to restore the United States to constitutional government” (2014). Woltz was also the subject of “Justice Denied,” an award-winning 2013 documentary, based on his first book. Education: University of Virginia (Economics), Wake Forest (Executive MBA Program), and Caledonia University-Scotland.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
May 1, 2020 9:48 pm

“The First Amendment guarantees basic freedoms. The Second Amendment exists to guarantee the First.”

Zig Zag Wanderer
May 1, 2020 11:21 pm

OK, let’s let everyone say whatever they want.

And then let them all have guns…

LMAO this country is going to be lit!

Joel O'Bryan
May 2, 2020 12:24 am

You do not get the USA. You’re forgiven, being a Ozzie. We love you all the same.

But on the guns, that’s where you’re wrong. It’ll never come to that. The People have more guns than the all the armed services of the DoD, of that I can assure you. No US General would submit to an order from a POTUS to go after the armed People. The genius of the 2nd Amendment is that it ensures the government has no clue where the guns are stored.
No more Midnight ride of Paul Revere to secure the weapons stored in a stockpile at a few vulenrable caches. The 2nd Amendment ensures they are possibly in every home. In unknown numbers.

May 2, 2020 10:16 pm

Don’t you think the people of Venezuela wish they still had their guns? Or the people of Zimbabwe? Now they now longer have their guns, or their property, or their livelihoods… or their country. They are serfs.

In Canada, Justin Trudeau just took another step to disarm the populace, based on the demented actions of one man. That was just an excuse – all Marxist dictators start by disarming the populace.

Previous Liberal-Marxist regimes used the Montreal massacre of 1989 to force gun registry on Canadians. The sole Montreal killer was named Marc Lépine. The press has usually concealed that his birth name was Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi.

May 1, 2020 5:24 pm

Interesting that Mockton aint publishing his lockdown stuff here anymore
re lockdowns If this continues Mockton and Mosher will have some real egg on their face Sweden incidence and death rates are plumetting. If they continue to fall and the rest of the world with lockdowns keep killing their people by the flattening curve and economic suicide https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8278087/Swedens-daily-coronavirus-death-toll-falls-67-new-infections-drop-428.html as I predicted. these people know NOTHING ABOUT VIRUSES Mockton is a mathematician and Mosher is a great investigatorr re Gleick his only contribution to this site ever all his predictions about anything climate realated have been about zero check it out but let him spew his crap here its called liberty of expression cheers. The point is that these people pushing the lockdown may be liable for deaths and loss of job and a life NOT DUE TO a coronavirus. All sites pushing lockdowns without knowledege of how coronaviruses work may be liable for damages my 2 cents worth be very very careful of what you publish. BTW seems Fauci has been fired as I predicted anyway we shall see

Robert W. Turner
Reply to  Eliza
May 1, 2020 6:06 pm

You can look at data state by state and then look at their lockdown date if they had one. The data clearly show that lockdowns have no effect. The virus (at least the cases that were bad enough to force people to the hospital for testing) still makes its way through the population in waves until herd immunity is built.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Robert W. Turner
May 1, 2020 9:23 pm

The lockdowns did not keep the virus out the nursing homes that’s for sure.

May 1, 2020 5:50 pm

BTW just to support my statement about Fauci hes on his way out this guy is responsible for a lot of damage to the people of the USA https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279375/White-House-BLOCKS-Dr-Tony-Fauci-testifying-House-committee.html

May 1, 2020 6:16 pm

Elon Musk makes huge profits with the climate fraud of which he is an influential advocate :

This is nothing else than crony capitalism.

Now Elon Musk is backpedaling with respect to the lockdown devastating effect on the economy.
Indeed, who will be able to afford a Tesla anymore in a destroyed economy ? Who will be able to provide subsidies to his business ?

He should read again what is behind the climate scam and I bet that the same bunch of psychopaths are pushing the lockdown :

“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history”, Ms Figueres stated at a press conference in Brussels.

“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 – you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation.”

The same who subsidized his business so that he promotes the climate fraud are destroying the economy because this is their objective.

The Marxists scheme is always the same, Yuri Bezmenov explains it and clearly describes who are the “useful idiots”. Among them, influential businessmen :

So now, Elon Musk achieved an interested first step exposing the lockdown madness, that’s fine.

The second and most difficult step should be to expose the entire schema, including the climate fraud and to expose the puppeteers who are pulling the strings and actually are directly or indirectly subsidizing part of his business.

Good luck with that.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  Petit_Barde
May 1, 2020 8:55 pm

It’s not Marxism, I’m not defending Marxism or Marxists, but it is mislabeling what many people think is ‘soft’ Fascism.

Marc Bardinet
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 1, 2020 11:35 pm

There are indeed many forms of Fascism and some of them are not necessarily based on a (Neo-)Marxist economic theory, but the aim of C. Figueres and many of the climate scam promoters is clear :
– they want to destroy capitalism and free marcket.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 1, 2020 11:49 pm

I forgot to mention the most important :
– Malthusianism which is the root of all of these eco-fascists, Marxists movements which spread the climate fraud and now are the proponents of containment.

It all stems from (Neo)Malthusians as Paul Ralph Ehrlich (The population Bomb – 1968), John Holdren (Science advisor of Obama), Ted Turner founder of CNN, Bill Gates, Prince Philip founder of WWF, etc.

Fascism (in all its variations) is a way to impose their fake science (Malthusianism) to the people.

Van Doren
Reply to  Chris Hanley
May 2, 2020 6:03 am

Fascism *is* a soft form of Socialism.

Tom Abbott
May 1, 2020 7:15 pm

Let’s just overthrow the U.S. government. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Who will we get to run the new country?

Will we make them promise not to do anything if a new deadly virus comes along, seeing as how a lot of us don’t want to be inconvenienced?

I started to say the next time a virus attack happens, the president should just declare martial law and then we wouldn’t have to listen to all these whiners claiming their constitutional rights are being violated, because they wouldn’t have any constitutional rights to complain about. But that wouldn’t really help much as far as eliminating the whining, because then the crybabies would be whining about losing their constitutional rights.

I swear I have never heard so much whining in all my life. You guys really got it tough. Can’t even abide by a plan for a few weeks without crying like a baby. Pathetic.

Yes, a couple of governors have imposed unreasonable restricitions on some states, but the complainers aren’t complaining about that, they are complaining about the whole lockdown plan, as though it had no merit.

They have been led to this belief by some radical rightwing rhetoric that has been rolling through society lately based on misperceptions of the virus computer models.

Tucker was again over the top tonight, and the substitute for Rush today, Todd Herman sounded like he was promoting insurrection over the lockdown.

I don’t know what these guys are thinking about. They are in effect asking people to defy President Trump’s plan for controlling the virus. Based on a bogus argument about the virus computer models. The lockdown agitators claim the virus models are wrong and imply that we don’t need to take any more action other than living our lives.

If you talk show hosts keep agitating the troops with false realities, you may get an unpleasant surprise. You might actually get an insurrection, and wouldn’t that be wonderful.

This time the rightwing pundits have gotten it all wrong, and are running with this false reality as fast as they can. They act like there is a constituional crisis when there is not. They might create one if they continue feeding the public false information about the Wuhan virus crisis, though.

It’s tough hanging out in your place for a couple of months, isn’t it? No, it’s not, when compared to just about any other tough thing in the world.

I see a lot of puny out there. I see a lot of weakness out there. I see a lot of whining out there. But the good news is the whining is from a vocal minority, while 75 percent of Ameicans support the present plan of President Trump.

You got the virus computer models all wrong and one after another the pundits have stumbled down the same wrong road. The blind leading the blind.

They have it in their mind that the computer models are bogus, and that therefore negates everything else about the plan.

So now we have the Leftwing Media doing all they can to undermine Trump at every opportunity. And now we have the Rightwing pundits doing the very same thing because if they are undermining the Plan then they are also undermining Trump. They would say they are not, but they are wrong, wrong, wrong.

You whiners need to stop whining and get with the program: Wear your face mask, and keep your distance, and abide by the Plan. If you don’t, you are a no-good so-and-so. A reckless, no-good, so-and-so. A person who puts others in danger without a thought.

You think any whiners will reply to this post? Yeah, they probably will. Whiners have to whine.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 1, 2020 8:22 pm

you are living in fear Tom. When the government tells you repeatedly this is to keep you “safe”, while they take your liberties that weren’t theirs to take… something else is going on.
If you have health issues, deal with those and protect yourself from this virus. Asking 300 million of your fellow Americans to destroy their economic future because you are scared of a cold virus is morally wrong.
Stop being a wus.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 1, 2020 9:08 pm

Politicians are not supposed to “run the country.” They are supposed to run the government.

PEOPLE are supposed to “run” their own lives, i.e., collectively = “the country,” in voluntary cooperation and individual choices regarding what (peacefully) to do or not do.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2020 8:50 am

The way I see it is the ChiComs and Democrats have now gone overboard on the one weakness that they could find in President Trump, and that is that he is a bit of a germaphobe and would buy into all this excess mortality from invalid models, from an invisible enemy and shut the economy down. 2 weeks, maybe 3 would have been enough to “Flatten the Curve” which was the original intent to save the medical system from being overwhelmed. That was achieved and barely even needed except for a few hotspots like New York and Detroit, New Orleans etc. The rest of the country (except for nursing homes) was less affected by orders of magnitude and hospitals basically sit near empty. A lot of the economic negative growth so far is due to hospital furlough, and all the elective surgery that was cancelled and now resultant sickness and death from those that won’t do well because their surgery was cancelled. There is tens of thousands of the cases of these that aren’t reported and we never get that time back.

President Trump was dong great until they talked him out out of reopening for Easter. He actually had that right IMHO, and with the exception of those mentioned hotspots, much of the country could have been cautiously re-opened up for Easter without excessive infection that the hospital system could not have handled. If that had been done, much of this unnecessary economic damage would have been avoided. And perhaps we would have been further on our way to herd immunity, and all that quarantine just delays the inevitable, flattening but lengthening the curve anyway. That chapter remains to be written. So it appears Trump was trumped by his own weakness, which you could see early on he himself resisted, knowing that ruining the economy would be his Waterloo. Tucker, Hannity et el, got it right mostly from the way they interpret things. And they aren’t being hard on Trump, more like some certain Doctors and Governors.

I think it 50-50 now that he is reelected, maybe much less if the Democrats parachute in a credible replacement for Biden if he can’t stand due to health problems or is found to be unfit for any reason which looks more credible every day. Just watch…the Democrats will now blame Trump for the ruining the economy for the November election. And an electorate that is decimated economically probably won’t vote in an incumbent. I hope I am wrong but I think Trump blew it half way through this crisis letting Dr. Fauchi run the show past half time. He could partially redeem himself by now acting swiftly to restore things to normal, and make some really powerful deals that the entire global community is needing right now. Leadership on steroids. Exceptional times call for exceptional leadership. We will see, but whatever happens, charts a new course in human history. This is a structural shift, for the worst it appears, at the moment.

Foley Hund
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 2, 2020 3:03 pm

“I swear I have never heard so much whining in all my life. You guys really got it tough. Can’t even abide by a plan for a few weeks without crying like a baby. Pathetic.”

I was born a free man. I stay a free man regardless of a “government”. The only thing pathetic is a person who prescribes that a “government” needs to dictate to them their daily life do’s and don’t’s. And worse is a person that can’t think for themselves how to live their life.. In other words, give citizens information and they the people can decide what to do with that information.

And, your arrogance is also pathetic. It must be nice being owned.

Joel O'Bryan
May 1, 2020 8:30 pm

Can you please find out why my comment # 2983202 went to the bit bucket and post it please. It didn’t go to Moderation.
Something else is going on with a WordPress filter for key words to stop certain comments.

May 1, 2020 8:48 pm

thanks elon, but we’ll just take it.

Craig from Oz
May 2, 2020 12:02 am

Panic buy popcorn, kids. The Left is eating itself.

James Bull
May 2, 2020 12:25 am

And this from the man who has said we should give up our freedoms to fight climate change…..
Double standards what’s not to like?

James Bull

May 2, 2020 1:46 am

Last time governments acted laissez faire in a pandemic 50 million people died.

I guess that’s what people want, though. As long as it isn’ t them. Not quite a Final Solution – more an Interim Solution.

There’s nowt as queer as folk…

Foley Hund
Reply to  Leo Smith
May 2, 2020 3:13 pm

No, people didn’t have the same information we have today nor did they posses access to personal hygiene we have today.

May 2, 2020 3:53 am

Elon Musk,

A good guy.
A bad guy.

Many many think and believe him to be a good guy.
Many, perhaps many many, think and believe him to be a bad guy.

So far none think or believe him to be an ugly guy, simply because most probably he is not an ugly one.
Thus far… non ugly is still good. 🙂


May 2, 2020 12:09 pm

Jeez, I can’t believe what he said about his stocks and shares! He’s such a strange character.

Ian Colleman
May 2, 2020 12:39 pm

Tesla has always been a target for short sellers, and the precipitous drop in the equity markets likely made some of those lads a lot of money. Mr. Musk is known to hate them, so the stock drop must doubly offend him.

Gunga Din
May 3, 2020 5:33 pm

Sure, it can be annoying at times. But sometimes correction is needed and can be instructive.
It gets to be annoying when it enters the “nitpicking” (and the defense of the “nitpick”) phase.
(And sometimes when people are just throwing up a quick comment and it gets “proofed”.)

PS I really did appreciate being reminded of the difference between “affect” and “effect”.)

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