Michael Moore Strikes Back: Defends Anti Renewable Energy “Planet of the Humans”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; Michael Moore is adding to the growing chaos in green circles, by affirming deep green tropes like “the Pandemic is a warning”, but also repeating his suggestion that big green has been quietly taken over by the very people they are supposed by be opposing.

Michael Moore teases ‘shocking’ new documentary, says coronavirus is a ‘warning from Mother Nature’

Sara M Moniuszko USA TODAY
April 27, 2020

Michael Moore is teasing his controversial new documentary about the environment.

During an appearance on MSNBC Sunday, the filmmaker, 66, shared how the coronavirus pandemic is related to the themes of “Planet of the Humans,” which examines climate change and the green energy movement.

“We are in dangerous, dangerous shape here, and this pandemic should act as a warning from Mother Nature that … our behavior is not appreciated,” he said. “And the fact that we have treated the species on this planet – species that often times give us these viruses. It’s a failure of us – all of us who call ourselves environmentalists.”

Moore also claimed that corporations and parts of Wall Street have been trying to “take over the green energy movement because they see profit in it.”

“They try to buy off certain people and organizations within the movement,” he said.

Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/04/27/michael-moore-planet-humans-doc-out-talks-coronavirus/3031584001/

What do you guys think is happening?

Is Michael Moore making a brutal power grab, maybe even an eventual run at the Presidency, by putting down all his potential rivals as corporate sellouts?

Is “Planet of the Humans” an exercise in integrity, is Moore an honest man who is maybe dead wrong on a few issues, who can no longer stand the money grubbing hypocrisy of his green fellow travellers?

Or is there another explanation?

Whatever Moore’s goals and motivation, Moore’s new documentary is a huge challenge to the established green order. Greens desperately want to censor Moore’s documentary, but heavy handed green attempts to silence criticism by one of their own, someone who has a huge following in his own right, just add credibility to Moore’s accusations of a widespread green sellout to corporate interests.

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Jimmy Haigh
April 27, 2020 10:09 pm

When the left eat their spawn…

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
April 28, 2020 12:57 am

“The revolution eats its children” Pierre Vergniaud ((* 31. May 1753 in Limoges; † 31. October 1793 in Paris) 😀

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
April 28, 2020 7:40 am

They’ve been drinking their own bathwater and sniffing their own farts for so long now they are willing to bite at anything.

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
April 28, 2020 9:08 am

The scaly Ouroborus snake is finally swallowing its own tail.

Moore, like Cher, is a has-been trying to stay relevant. Today, “relevant” equals “controversial.”

Those with less talent than his merely tweet topless selfies or publish strings of profanity. Yawn.

Made-up problems are about to fade into the distant background in the face of a REAL problem:
Namely, millions of formerly self-supporting citizens with no job, money, food, or a place to live.
All of it self-inflicted from ignorant fear whipped into Popular Delusions & The Madness of Crowds.

“Climate Change” has ever been a boutique “cause” for fashionable hand-wringers, requiring zip but political correctness. That’s going to be a casualty of this virus. Let the virtue-signaling begin . . .

Reply to  Jimmy Haigh
May 2, 2020 5:59 pm

I think Moore is being perfectly logical without resorting to climate change rhetoric!

I just watched the movie and it has given me a lot of thought, although much of what he covers is on my websites of more than 10 years ago.

Moore’s only flaw is that he feels he must blame the whole debacle on Capitalism rather than the hysterical pressure put on governments, not only by the people but organisations such as the UN as well as a plethora of “leaders” who accept cash and ideas from a wide number of agencies to use to pressure governments as well as in many cases infiltrating the governments themselves.

I would blame these people who have succeeded in pressuring government to find solutions in order to lessen atmospheric CO2 and this is the best world wide governments have managed to do.
Once a government starts issuing subsidies Capitalism falls by the way side and with increasing encouragement by the uninformed public, funds from the tax payer subsidies increasingly end up into the coffers of industrialists who see projects that have no competition.
This is not capitalism! Closer to Communism in my view or perhaps the National Socialism of Adolf Hitler or at least a severe case of socialism gone wild.

However good on Michael Moore by putting the truth out there!



Insufficiently Sensitive
April 27, 2020 10:15 pm

s Michael Moore making a brutal power grab, maybe even an eventual run at the Presidency, by putting down all his potential rivals as corporate sellouts?

Let’s not draw extreme cartoons. He has expressed an opinion on the corona virus being connected to the environment (arguable), and pointed out that large corporations, seeing profits arising from the ‘fundamental change’ proposed for our economy by ‘progressives’, can play a pretty progressive hand themselves when they can make money as change agents.

That does plausibly place him among ‘public intellectuals’ with Positions, but is a long way from giving him a head start at an executive office where he’d have to deal with far more worldly situation than poking cynical sneers at one or another sub-tribe he disagrees with.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
April 28, 2020 12:01 am

Call me crazy, but Mike Moore’s highest priorities appear to be

1) Making Money
2) Being first in line at the buffet

Reply to  Javert Chip
April 28, 2020 12:20 am

Not necessarily in that order.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  brians356
April 28, 2020 1:40 am

Funniest two comments today by a mile… my suggestion for the outraged Green lib-left is that they should adopt a new strategy for future elections and base all their policy decisions on Tarot card readings; it could hardly produce worse insanities than the Green New Deal.

Reply to  brians356
April 28, 2020 7:38 am

If Michael Moore had been with the Donner party they all would have survived the winter just fine.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  Javert Chip
April 28, 2020 5:06 am

From first hand experience, (I live in Traverse City, … if that doesn’t ring a bell look up Traverse City Film Festival)

1) Trying to discredit people who make money
2) Making money
3) Avoiding any real work
4) Being first in line at the buffet

Reply to  Javert Chip
April 28, 2020 5:16 am

He never was very good about recognizing the elephant in the room. China.

Reply to  Scissor
May 9, 2020 9:33 pm

Oh really… Look at the numbers per capita – the only meaningful ones imo – and you’ll find the culprits are not China…

Charles Higley
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
April 28, 2020 7:58 am

The idea is that our imposition on the environment is the source of these viruses. It is wrong to think there is a teleological origin—nature sending a message about our behavior. Just MSU (making stuff up) to serve their purpose of implying it is our fault.

This is true, actually, because of the SE Asian and African habit of eating animals that are exotic and not domesticated as a food source, in addition to not properly cooked, thus introducing viruses from exotic sources. Most of us do not have a penchant for bats or pangolins or monkeys.

We have largely adapted to the diseases that our domesticated species are subject to, the HxNy flu being a bugaboo, because it is restructured by the pigs, fish, and chickens in SE Asia every year. If we could break this chain, as I believe they are as they develop farms more specialized on single species, that would only leave the covis as the annual “flu season.”

This is the route to handling such highly communicable viruses. Vaccines do not work against viruses that mutate easily, so vaccines are security blankets when it is already warm. Our flu vaccine is a shot in the dark every year as they try to guess what the flavor of the flu will be from year to year.

In the UK, the “experts” completely panicked over the idea of wanting herd immunity, with their models egregiously overstating the related deaths from seeking heard immunity. Now, they are realizing that this is exactly what we need.

Sheltering in place is a stupid idea, particularly in terms of economic and personal damage it causes, which in the long term will likely hurt and/or kill more people that C-19. We cannot prevent the inevitable and “flattening the curve” simply cannot be done and has not been done anywhere, as we still had people seriously gathering at food and drug stores.

For that matter, if essential businesses were successfully run during the sheltering phase, why could not all businesses do the same thing? This would spread people out more and keep the economy going at the same time. Where is the downside here?

Trump was correct in the beginning but, then, everybody panicked and he had no choice. Now that he is leaving it up to the states to manage their economies, it is interesting to see the blue states seeking to continue the damage as long as possible, with the idea that there will be a “new normal.”

We need to recognize that, just because we supposedly can keep track of a single virus in the flu season virus season (serious questions here regarding the specificity of the various tests), we were panicked by the media over its effects. The virus’s origin does not matter—it was/is still part of the flu season and follows the rules of virology and will dwindle away on its own.

No new normal is needed. No masks forever, social-distancing forever, etc. Next flu season, we should aim to protect our elderly while letting the herd gain immunity, which then protects the elderly. Anyone working with the elderly in the flu season should practice good hygiene and even wear a mask, but there is not reason for everybody to wear a mask.

Masks work well on those who are sick, but not so well on the healthy. When a person exhales, the air and particles goes outward in a stream from the nose and/or mouth and the mask can stop the particles. However, when a person inhales, the lowered air pressure at the nose or mouth pulls in air from all directions, including around the mask. So, wearing a mask does like to protect you, but wearing a mask, if sick, protects those around you.

Overall, the most useful thing to do now is:


Reply to  Charles Higley
April 28, 2020 8:58 am

Yes, we’re like a herd of wildebeest who dash off in panic in all directions at the first impressions of a threat.

I’m still trying to come to grips as to why we haven’t shut down everything to deal with the HIV-AIDS virus – it still takes a far higher toll than the WuFlu is projected to do –

2018 global HIV statistics
HIV continues to be a major global public health issue. In 2018 an estimated 37.9 million people were living with HIV (including 1.7 million children), with a global HIV prevalence of 0.8% among adults. Around 21% of these same people do not know that they have the virus –
Since the start of the epidemic, an estimated 74.9 million people have become infected with HIV and 32 million people have died of AIDS-related illnesses. In 2018, 770,000 people died of AIDS-related illnesses. This number has reduced by more than 55% since the peak of 1.7 million in 2004 and 1.4 million in 2010.2

Reply to  Mr.
April 28, 2020 9:08 am

4,220,261 Communicable disease deaths so far this year.

Reply to  richard
April 28, 2020 9:33 am

I reckon as soon as we’re old enough to get a drivers license, at the same time we should all be issued with an official Death Certificate that has the “Date” and “Cause of Death” lines left blank.
This might instill in us all the truth that we’re all gonna croak – it’s only the “when” and “how” that are up for discovery.

Reply to  Mr.
April 29, 2020 4:47 pm

But we will see HIV-Aids deaths surpassed this year, I bet. By Covid19. So…there’s that to reconsider. In Months, not decades to get there, too.

Reply to  Orson
April 30, 2020 11:36 am

Looking at CDC data (https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html), the SARS-2 virus rates as just one minor strain of influenza/pneumonia. The weekly mortality for Influenza & Pneumonia this flu season has been 55 to 60 THOUSAND deaths each week–contrast with 60+ thousand total dead from SARS-2 over a dozen weeks. Being infectious diseases which spread much like covid-19, lockdowns, physical distancing, and extraordinary hygiene now being practiced ought to have reduced these diseases across the board. I detect no impact whatsoever. It’s a Cronyvirus meant to make you adopt mandatory vaccines, immunity passports, contact tracing and a host of other Big Brother tools of oppression to be weaponized as bureaucratic appetites swell.

mario lento
April 27, 2020 10:17 pm

Nah… he’s doing it because it is easy to see both sides of a problem… and now, he has a decade or more of fodder from listening to the other side, –us. Besides that, his footage seems a bit outdated. And that does not play well. He’d be more hated than Trump if he ran. The Left would hate him, the right would never vote for him.

I could be wrong by a lot of course!

Reply to  mario lento
April 28, 2020 4:58 am

Mario lento: “The Left would hate him, the right would never vote for him.”

Nahhh. It’s the Two Minute Hate thingy. If the DNC Powers That Be said “Vote Michael Moore” then by golly, they’d vote Michael Moore as Mr. Wonderful for President.

When the regressives point the Fickle Finger of Fate at someone, all of their assets (YSM, Academia, SJWs, etc.) unleash a mindless rabid fury of hate at the victim.

P.S. You may not be aware of this, but Orange Man Bad ;o)

April 27, 2020 10:19 pm

Mike Moore finally gets energy right… and gets cancelled by the extreme left.

I have two engineering degrees and a career in energy. I will compare my energy achievements with anyone on the planet, and I say Mike Moore is essentially correct in this film.


INTERMITTENCY means the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow 24/7, and the electric grid needs reliable dispatchable generation, not generation that goes up and down uncontrollably. Battery storage is touted as the solution, but it does not economically exist at grid-scale.

DIFFUSIVITY means it takes far too much land area to replace conventional energy with wind and/or solar generation –it would take fully ~10% of all the land area in Britain to do so. In the USA, this 10% would total about 300,000 square miles, or all of Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia.

Energy experts have known these facts since ~forever – my co-authors and I published them in 2002 – but a leftist lie goes around the world ten times before the truth gets its boots on.

Regards, Allan

April 25, 2020

Left-wing filmmaker Michael Moore has had his latest film taken down by the distributor over allegations of misinformation.

Coinciding with the celebration of Earth Day, Moore’s film, “Planet of the Humans,” was released this week on YouTube for free, and addressed green energy sources and other issues in the environmental movement.

But Oscar-nominated director and filmmaker Josh Fox launched a campaign against the film, asking people to sign a letter “demanding an apology and an immediate retraction by the [film’s] producers, director and other advocates.”

The distributor agreed to pull it on Friday after reportedly not having seen the finished product before release.

Ironically, the attacks on Moore for the film came from left-wing climate activists who took issue with his portrayal of green energy. The film essentially trashed the idea of wind power, solar power and electric vehicles, among other things, arguing that many of the sources of renewable energy are actually quite damaging to the environment.

This is the distributor who cancelled Mike Moore’s latest film – and then reversed and decided to not do so after all. Much ado about nothing.

Why we took it down. Why we ultimately decided to put it back up (including this note). Plus our critiques and thoughts on the film.
By Films For Action / filmsforaction.org / Apr 25, 2020

Tim Crome
April 27, 2020 11:55 pm

I believe your 10% area calc for the UK is wrong, far too low. If hydrocarbons are a “no no” then the unreliable must also charge batteries (which don’t exist) in parallel with providing power to consumers. The area needs will go up significantly, for solar, with an efficiency of ~20%, you will need 5 times the area and you’ll still have regular blackouts every cloudy day. The whole idea is ludicrous. As Bill Gates has said “There is no alternative to the modern industrial economy!”

Reply to  Tim Crome
April 28, 2020 7:24 am

Hi Tim,

Fully agree!
One of the more stupid remarks i still see often as a response to wind powers intermittency is that ‘it is always windy somewhere’.
This may be true but the consequence would be that the required amount of installed capacity would dramatically increase. This because the ‘windy area’ now also needs to supply the non-windy area. Furthermore if it is a good average wind day everywhere there would be many many turbines standing idle because there is no demand for the additional capacity.
So all in all even if 100% wind Power was possible It would be extremely inefficient (expensive, wasteful etc).
I still find it difficult to believe that even energy professionals (like utilities, grid operators etc) don’t put a stop to this nonsense and simply point out the facts.

Stay save!

Reply to  Willem69
April 28, 2020 8:15 am

It might be windy somewhere but undersea cables are not advisable as Tasmania’s Basslink cable showed- https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/april
More than 60% in total installed capacity variation across half a continent. That’s some batteries they’ll need to iron that lot out just to achieve an average of 30% of installed capacity and the idiocracy keep spruiking it.

Reply to  Tim Crome
April 28, 2020 8:32 am

Tim – you are correct – the 10% number came from a UK GWPF study – it’s explained at 1:58 in this video: https://youtu.be/viJ-Y4X-5zQ

The 10% is too low – but in any case it demonstrates the utter impracticality of 100% wind or solar generation.

Reply to  Tim Crome
April 28, 2020 12:21 pm

For the record Tim, this is our position on climate and energy:

In 2002 my co-authors and I published the following statements that have both proven correct–to-date:

a. “Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”

b. “The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

Published by APEGA in the PEGG, reprinted by other professional journals, The Globe and Mail and La Presse,
by Dr. Sallie Baliunas (Harvard-Smithsonian), Dr. Tim Patterson (Carleton U) and Allan MacRae, November 2002

richard verney
Reply to  Tim Crome
April 28, 2020 12:25 pm

I saw a paper a few years back, that suggested that Germany that is an industrial nation being the industrial powerhouse of Europe, and hence a large user of energy, would have to carpet all land not already built on, if it were to have enough renewable energy to meet its needs (of course that does not take account of the times when the sun does not shine and there is no wiind).

Land required for renewables is a major issue, and one which is not discussed sufficiently.

April 27, 2020 11:57 pm

Films For Action should be commended to correcting their initial mistake in censoring the film. I have yet to see a single concrete criticism of a single part of the film. Saying something is “outdated” is not a valid criticism unless you say why its being outdated makes what it shows incorrect today because the facts have changed.

Is “Planet of the Humans” an exercise in integrity

Quite clearly Micheal Moore remains committed to basic protection of the environment and realises the movement has been totally compromised. I’m from the same generation as he is but I stopped considering myself an envronmentalist a long time ago because that word means something entirely different now.

He is due much respect for his honesty and commitment.

His expose of McKibben was damning. As was exposing the level of destruction of trees hiding under the name of “biomass”. All the talk of planting trees to save the world becomes a joke if you are destroying them ten times faster in a perverted attempt to avoid burning dead trees from millions of years ago.

Mark Whelan
Reply to  Greg
April 28, 2020 12:20 am

Well said Greg,
“All the talk of planting trees to save the world becomes a joke if you are destroying them ten times faster in a perverted attempt to avoid burning dead trees from millions of years ago.”

That one sentence is possibly the clearest explanation of the madness of biomass, I have read.



Reply to  Mark Whelan
April 28, 2020 1:47 am

I’ll endorse that as well, Mark.

And I’ll add this. The Scottish government recently placed a contract for two gas-powered ships for its Western Isles ferry service — gas being more environmentally friendly than oil. The gas was supposed to be sourced in the Middle East and shipped to Canvey Island on the Thames and then by road tanker to Scotland!

I leave it to engineers and others to do the calculations. Remember to factor in the availability of crude oil in Scottish home waters!

Rich Davis
Reply to  Newminster
April 28, 2020 3:35 pm

I’d expect that there could be some natural gas, too, if they were not fracking idiots.

John Endicott
Reply to  Mark Whelan
April 28, 2020 2:35 am

Indeed Mark, I agree with you and Newminster that Greg hit a homerun with that blurb. Well said Greg.

B d Clark
Reply to  Greg
April 28, 2020 5:02 am

I burn bio mass every day, I supply currently 3 family s with their yearly needs for bio mass , I grow the trees, I plant more than I and my customers use, lumping all types of bio mass under the same heading is misleading , I do not export globally I supply locally for energy needs and it is self sustaining . Bio mass is becoming a excuse to put small self sustaining timber producers out of business,.

Reply to  B d Clark
April 28, 2020 9:00 am

Agreed. There should be 50 different names for biomass, like the Eskimo have for snow. There are some biomass that is much better than others but the worst (Drax) examples are the ones that get used here to dismiss all biomass without any differentiation about the merits (demerits) of any and all. This is a huge disappointment for me thinking that all skeptics honestly try to dissect the truth from the chaff. Biomass isn’t binary and all should be weighed by their own merits.

The only thing I can think of that allows for that is probably rural skeptics have a completely different experience and world view with reality than city skeptics. And this is an international site so many have different points of view from their national perspectives such as how the resource was owned and distributed, (corporate, big, small, private, public etc) and there has been a lot of raping and pillaging of the land that has gone on and still does such as conversion of prime jungle habitat to palm plantations by greedy wealthy landowners who stole the land from someone else, which is really, really bad.

Plus I see many city skeptics subconsciously leaning towards Greenpeace type views on logging, like all clear cut logging is bad. Someone mentioned ‘forest destruction’ yesterday just like the pictures that Green Piece still uses of clear cuts from 40 years ago, not showing the most recent photograph of that same land now growing 80 foot high trees. Lots of armchair city skeptics here, and only a few rural skeptics are left just due to demographics now. I have to declare my own bias, being rural in flyover country and owning thousands of acres of privately managed forest lands that I have harvested and planted millions of trees over my life time. So I am biased too, but I think I have much closer and honest view on how this part of the biomass industry operates. It is a very small part of the energy market, and will never even be a partial solution for energy replacement, but there are some that would tolerate no biomass because that is their world view even though they use much of these very products every day.

B d Clark
Reply to  Earthling2
April 28, 2020 10:28 am

Thanks earthling2

I should just add a bit that the city skeptics are unaware of, (uk) forestry even if you own the land and the crop you are subject to forestry rules ( administered by five regional quangos) of the many rules and regulations I will explain one it’s very simple to clear fell or compartment fell a condition of the licence is that you must replant.

My next point is the rich be they left or right buy forests sometimes never visiting the forest, leaving the day to day running of the forest to forest agents, the reason the rich , overseas investors buy forests in the UK is the tax advantage, after two years of running a UK forest on a commercial basis there is no income tax to pay on the yield , no capital gains tax to pay if you sell the property , you may also get a grant for the cost of nursery grown saplings,but not the planting.

This is why are green hypocritical friends the rich and famous come out to rallys such as Gretas parties and sing the song save the trees not because they want to save the trees ,they want to save thier tax advantage.

Gunga Din
Reply to  B d Clark
April 28, 2020 4:28 pm

I prefer to grill bio-mass when it came from a cow.
(Recycling as Nature intended.8-)

willem post
April 29, 2020 9:14 am

Wind and Solar Subsidies Provide a Bonanza for Wall Street

This URL shows wind and solar prices per kWh would be at least 50% higher without direct and indirect subsidies. They would be even higher, if the costs of other items were properly allocated to the owners of wind and solar projects, instead of shifted elsewhere. See below section High Levels of Wind and Solar Require Energy Storage.


This URL shows about 2/3 of the financial value of a wind project is due to direct and indirect subsidies, and the other 1/3 is due to electricity sales.

– Indirect subsidies are due to federal and state tax rebates due to loan interest deductions from taxable income, and federal and state MARCS depreciation deductions from taxable income.

– Direct subsidies are up-front federal and state cash grants, the partial waiving of state sales taxes, the partial waiving of local property, municipal and school taxes. See URLs.


Any owner, foreign or domestic, of a wind and/or solar project, looking to shelter taxable income from their other US businesses, is allowed to depreciate in 6 years almost the entire cost of a wind and solar project under the IRS scheme called Modified Accelerated Cost Recovery System, MARCS. The normal period for other forms of utility depreciation is about 20 years.

Then, with help of Wall Street financial wizardry from financial tax shelter advisers, such as BNEF*, JPMorgan, Lazard, etc., the owner sells the project to a new owner who is allowed to depreciate, according to MARCS, almost his entire cost all over again. Over the past 20 years, there now are many thousands of owners of RE projects who are cashing in on that bonanza.

Loss of Federal and State Tax Revenues: The loss of tax revenues to federal and state governments due to MARCS was estimated by the IRS at $266 billion for the 5y period of 2017 – 2021, or about $53.2 billion/y.
The IRS is required to annually provide a 5y-running estimate to Congress, by law.
The next report would be for the 2018 – 2022 period

The indirect largesse of about $53.2 billion/y, mostly for wind and solar plants^ that produce expensive, variable/intermittent electricity, does not show up in electric rates. It likely is added to federal and state debts.

Most of the direct federal subsidies to all energy projects of about $25 billion/y also do not show up in electric rates. They likely were also added to the federal debt.

Most of the direct state subsidies to RE projects likely were added to state debts.

The additional costs of state-mandated RPS requirements likely were added to the utility rate base for electric rates.

* BNEF is Bloomberg New Energy Finance, owned by the pro-RE former Mayor Bloomberg of New York, which provides financial services to the wealthy of the world, including providing them with tax avoidance schemes.

^ In New England, wind is near zero for about 30% of the hours of the year, and solar is minimal or zero for about 70% of the hours of the year. Often these hours coincide for multi-day periods, which happen at random throughout the year, per ISO-NE real-time, minute-by-minute generation data posted on its website. Where would the electricity come from during these hours; $multi-billion battery storage, insufficient capacity hydro storage?


Warren Buffett Quote: “I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire’s tax rate,” Buffet told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska recently. “For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That’s the only reason to build them. They don’t make sense without the tax credit.”

April 27, 2020 10:25 pm

“We are in dangerous, dangerous shape here, and this pandemic should act as a warning from Mother Nature that … our behavior is not appreciated,” he said. “And the ‘way’ we have treated the species on this planet – species that often times give us these viruses. It’s a failure of us – all of us who call ourselves environmentalists”

As in the statement above, so in the {Planet of Humans} movie, the assessment of renewables as climate action is corrupted by an extreme form of environmentalism on a planetary scale combined with anti capitalism. The movie isn’t saying that climate change is eco wacko weirdness. It is saying that it isn’t eco wacko enough.

Two links below.



Reply to  chaamjamal
April 27, 2020 11:33 pm

chaamjamal – thank you for the transcription of the Moore film.

April 28, 2020 1:12 am


You’re very welcome, sir.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  chaamjamal
April 28, 2020 2:07 am

Thanks chaamjamal for the transcript of the video.

I saw the video yesterday and read your transcript today.
In particular I enjoyed reading about the diesel generators for the concert and the 1200W solar array – a typical illusion for the non-technical audience mass.

Reminds me of XR in UK, where they had to rent a fossil fuel generator, because the Sun refused to shine in the street between the tall buildings – or something like that.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
April 28, 2020 5:33 am

Thank you for your comment, sir. We often miss juicy details leisurely watching a video. Transcripts come in handy for that too. Also, I think it helps to have the whole thing in front of us instead of being fed info in bits at the feeder’s chosen rate and sequence.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
April 28, 2020 5:58 am

You’re very welcome, sir. Glad you found it useful.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  chaamjamal
April 28, 2020 4:41 am

Thank you chaamjamal. Your posts are always informative, and you clearly have a stronger stomach than most!

Reply to  Barnes Moore
April 28, 2020 6:07 am

Hello Barnes Moore
Thank you sir, for your kind comment.

Reply to  chaamjamal
April 28, 2020 6:36 am

Thank you for the transcripts. Videos/movies burn up my limited digital bandwidth as well as download time required. I’m sure I’m not alone on that. Plus, I can cover a lot more ground quickly by reading.

Reply to  chaamjamal
April 28, 2020 7:44 am

Chaamjamal says,”the assessment of renewables as climate action is corrupted by an extreme form of environmentalism..”

Is it possible that what we’re actually up against is a massive, multi-layered, protection racket?

Patrick MJD
April 27, 2020 10:29 pm

Has anyone actually watched the film, is it worth watching? I don’t think I am prepared to devote 1hr 40mins to watching it.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 27, 2020 10:46 pm

from what i see here, the film has been taken down.
it was a 100-minute film that is a bit on the long side to watch in one sitting.

Anyway, I wrote a transcript of the whole thing that you can read in 10 minutes.
The first of the two links I posted above in my first comment will take you there.

Reply to  chaamjamal
April 28, 2020 12:04 am

The transcript is a good way to get a quick over view but somethings like watching McKibben squirming in his seat when trying to pretend he does not who his major sponsors are has to been seen to be believed.

Also seeing scale of the volume of whole, freshly cut trees being destroyed as “biomass” will not be communicated by reading a transcript.

I recommend watching the film. It’s a bit slow but it is well made.

Reply to  Greg
April 28, 2020 1:39 am

Yes Greg
that was quite a scene
i did not need to see it to believe having written about that squirmy guy in one of my blogs but i did enjoy seeing it

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  chaamjamal
April 28, 2020 10:00 am

10 minutes? My lips don’t move that fast! 🙂

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 27, 2020 11:04 pm

Watched. About on par with earlier stuff, not something you’ll learning anything from but of interest from the POV of where the politics are going.

Reply to  HAS
April 28, 2020 5:48 am

we here mightnt learn anything we didnt already know
but a hell of a lot of the unthinking trusting gullibles will get a real eyeopener should they see it
which is why the likes of mckibben and mikeymunt want it banned

David Hood
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 27, 2020 11:25 pm

Patrick MJD – watch it – I did, and quite enjoyed (appreciated) what I saw.
SOME of the views I wanted to drop kick, but in all, a worthwhile watch.
You won’t really see anything new or earth shattering – not to us lot anyway.

I did however come away with a few doubts about why it was produced, some of which has been covered above by others.
In all, its a fairly concise view of what many of us doubters/challengers/deniers, believe to be true
Also, I’d like to be a fly on the wall of the Eco-friendlys when they watched it IF they could bring themselves to do so, that is.

Melbourne Resident
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 1:48 am

I watched it in 3 sessions – you have to watch to the end. Yes some of the footage is obviously dated – it looks like some of it has been saved up for a long time for this moment. The tragedy of the forests of Indonesia and the impact on Orang-Utangs must be shown to all those who worry about Polar Bears. Here was an immediate cause and effect. Keep going Michael Moore – I disagree with a lot of what you said about climate change – but the take over of the green movements by big business was breathtaking!

Jay Willis
Reply to  Melbourne Resident
April 28, 2020 2:32 am

Melbourne Resident, I agree (you have a lucky name also, Melbourne is a wonderful place to live), the Orangutan footage was moving and will be tremendously powerful. The film, in my view, explodes the noble cause fallacy, whereby environmentalists are prepared to take a bit of suffering, and a bit of corruption, for the long term benefit of the planet. The film demonstrates that there are victims now, and the plight of these animals is harrowing. Innocent sentient animals directly suffering as a result of policies enacted now are perhaps the most powerful cinematic mechanism to effect change. Why else the polar bear obsession? The film is also brilliant in exposing the prevaricating self-aggrandizing tossers such as McKibbon enabling this type of policy idiocy, and those actively promoting it such as the Kochs, Bloomberg and Branson.

In short this film does what many commentators here over the years have suggested we should do to the environmental movement. Fight them on their own turf. It does it brilliantly, and I watched it all. I would recommend it to anyone. But the idea that the film promotes that over population is the real problem is completely wrong in my opinion. This view is expressed with no evidence or science, just opinion. So supporting the film’s wide distribution does not mean that I support all the views expressed in it.

They also overlooked the opportunity to point out that around 50% of the palm oil that is imported in Europe goes into biodiesel. While these shameful green charities are lobbying to have it removed from chocolate and face cream in some kind of virtue signalling.

Reply to  Jay Willis
April 28, 2020 5:31 am

Yes, that footage is powerful. Unfortunately, environmentalists and those like XR, are promoting policies that destroy orangutan habitat. They don’t see it?

John Endicott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 2:40 am

Tried to watch. Couldn’t make it past the first couple of minutes. Boring. Kudos to those with the tolerance to sit though the whole thing. Might try, if it’s still available, to scan forward to the McKibben section, just to see him squirm.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 5:23 am

x1.5 works and reduces its time by just over 30%.

Roy Thomas Sokolowski
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 7:25 am

It was good, and I am now where near green new deal type person. Unlike other films by Moore this one was worth watching.

Reply to  Roy Thomas Sokolowski
April 28, 2020 7:40 am

“Preachy” and anti-human in its opening, but pretty much spot-on in the expose on so-called “green” energy … I watched in segments, in part because it was tough viewing the first (preachy, anti-human) part and had other things that required doing that day too.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 7:29 am

I watched the whole thing, can’t say there will be many surprises in it for regular WUWT readers. I was watching from the point of view, will it impact my green energy believer people I know? The answer was yes and I passed it along. No feed back as of yet but don’t expect it either, hard to admit it when you’re wrong. I’ll know it impacted them if they quit promoting/defending green energy schemes.

FYI, only semi surprise for me was a couple prominent activist that I hadn’t seen connected with big business. Not saying they hadn’t been connected already, just hadn’t seen it in writing/video myself. I also say semi because it’s not really a big surprise that top people in the movement have financial incentives to promote a view.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Darrin
April 28, 2020 11:06 am

The surprise may be the number of “biomass” plants burning trees while greens are talking about planting to “save” the planet.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 9:24 am

I think it’s worth watching, even if flawed by certain biases and presumptions. Moore pretty much fillets the idea that solar panels and windmills are doing anything substantive to reduce the use of fossil fuels, that they are largely a virtue-signalling illusory pablum for his fellow leftists. He goes on to make the point that biomass and tree burning provide the bulk of the BTUs actually ascribed to “green” energy. He condemns the cronyism of biomass, it’s unsustainable nature while being falsely labeled as sustainable by his fellow travelers. As is stated in this article, the film skewers Bill McKibbon, Al Gore, and other climate alarmist high priests (my terminology) as hypocrites of the first order.

Although Moore’s new film’s real complaint is overpopulation and industrialization and too much cronyism and capitalism, it never gets around to presenting any concrete ideas or solutions as to how these alleged root problems might be solved. As such, it’s a cowardly film.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mickey Reno
April 28, 2020 10:07 am

You remarked, “Moore pretty much fillets the idea that solar panels and windmills are doing anything substantive to reduce the use of fossil fuels, …” I’m wondering where the assortment of solar-advocate trolls are that usually bang on their pots and pans to promote their view of the future. They are conspicuous by their absence.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Mickey Reno
April 28, 2020 10:36 am

Sure it provided solutions. A human cull and greatly reduced standards of living and life expectancy for the survivors.
All very clearly laid out which gives CO2 warmering believers a choice; adaptation or death

I bet most choose adaptation once they grasp it

Reply to  Patrick MJD
April 28, 2020 11:09 am

it is worth the watch under the “I am not sick but must be quarantined circumstances”. A different take on how out of hand the whole system is. Watch out for the primates.

April 27, 2020 10:32 pm

How is coronavirus a ‘warning from Mother Nature’ if it was created by Chinese Communist scientists

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 27, 2020 10:53 pm

Hi Nicholas,

I don’t have adequate evidence , but my hunch is that the Covid-19 virus came from the Wuhan bio-weapons lab.

Probability 90:10 it came from the lab, not the animal market.

Probability 80:20 it escaped and was not a deliberate release.

Emphasis on the word “hunch”.

April 28, 2020 8:46 am

Previous posts from early February:


Published on February 4, 2020


At this point it is an interesting hypothesis. It is notable that the primary biological weapons lab in China is located at Wuhan. It is also notable that many of the earliest patients infected with the coronavirus were never close to the animal market

Clyde Spencer
April 28, 2020 10:25 am

From the very beginning, I have been perplexed by the reaction of the Media and world leaders to something that initially looked like another strain of flu. Even now, it has lasted about the same as the half-life of common seasonal flues, and has only killed about half as many as bad flu years when the vaccines didn’t perform well. Ultimately, it may turn out to have killed more than any other recent flues, but there wasn’t a lot of hard evidence to support that in the beginning when the lockdowns started. It was mid-February before the first death (singular) was reported in Washington state.

Now, I have a hypothesis. It is almost certain that the US intelligence community, and allies, try to keep an eye on what the Chinese are doing. They would be keeping the agencies in DC apprised of what they find. However, to share with the public what was known, would compromise our intelligence network and put agent’s and informant’s lives at stake. So, world leaders support extreme measures based on advice from the medical community. This shifts the focus to medical people who are excitable, and away from the intelligence community. That is, the governments of the Western World could not share publicly what they thought they knew and how.

Therefore, in retrospect, we may discover that what has happened was based on what the intelligence community had learned, not on what the medical community suspected.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 4, 2020 5:34 pm

Note to Clyde:
As I recall the Brits did this in WW2 to conceal the fact that they had decoded an Enigma cipher machine – and sacrificed the City of Coventry.
However, I have no evidence to support your hypo.

Note to Gunga, who wrote:
“IF it is an escaped bio-weapon, it’s a pretty lame weapon. Too many people survive.”
I already wrote that conclusion elsewhere, probably on wattsup:
It was probably a research virus, not bad enough to be a bioweapon.

May 4, 2020 6:18 pm

MAYBE you missed this, MACRAE, the opinion of an expert in the field of virology –

“This is ridiculous” “its a bat virus”
TWiV 603: Cloudy with a chance of coronavirus
Prof. Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D.

This man Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D. also has a +20 video series on YT covering this subject. The first in the series alone is worth viewing:

Virology Lectures 2020 #1: What is a Virus?
Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D.

May 6, 2020 11:17 pm

Jim – don’t be ridiculous.

Read the history of Wuhan lab research of these viruses for years.

It probably escaped from the Wuhan lab into the populace.

It was probably a research virus, not a bio-weapon – it’s too mild.

May 7, 2020 3:35 pm

More for Jim.

There are three (3) mentions of Wuhan in this 2015 paper, two of which are included below (co-authors); also mentioned are the USA (U North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Harvard U) and Switzerland.

Also many mentions in this paper of the virus SARS-CoV, now called SARS-CoV-1, because there is now a SARS-CoV-2 – the virus that causes the subject illness Covid-19.

I don’t have the time to examine this type of paper (I recall there are several) in detail, but it does sound a lot like “children playing with matches”.

Regards, Allan

VOLUME 21 | NUMBER 12 | DECEMBER 2015 nature medicine
Vineet D Menachery1, Boyd L Yount Jr1, Kari Debbink1,2, Sudhakar Agnihothram3, Lisa E Gralinski1, Jessica A Plante1, Rachel L Graham1, Trevor Scobey1, Xing-Yi Ge4, Eric F Donaldson1, Scott H Randell5,6, Antonio Lanzavecchia7, Wayne A Marasco8,9, Zhengli-Li Shi4 & Ralph S Baric1,2

The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-CoV underscores the threat of cross-species transmission events leading to outbreaks in humans. Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2), replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV. Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrate replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis. Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations.

1Department of Epidemiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 2Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 3National Center for Toxicological Research, Food and Drug Administration, Jefferson, Arkansas, USA. 4Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, WUHAN INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY, CHINESE ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, WUHAN, CHINA. 5Department of Cell Biology and Physiology, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 6Cystic Fibrosis Center, Marsico Lung Institute, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA. 7Institute for Research in Biomedicine, Bellinzona Institute of Microbiology, Zurich, Switzerland. 8Department of Cancer Immunology and AIDS, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. 9Department of Medicine, Harvard Medical School, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. Correspondence should be addressed to R.S.B. (rbaric@email.unc.edu) or V.D.M. (vineet@email.unc.edu).
Received 12 June; accepted 8 October; published online 9 November 2015; corrected online 20 November 2015 (details online); doi:10.1038/nm.3985

May 7, 2020 4:36 pm

re: ALLAN MACRAE May 6, 2020 at 11:17 pm

Jim – don’t be ridiculous.

Read the history of …

Don't YOU be ridiculous, ALLAN. YOUR argument is with the professor of VIROLOGY, Prof. Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D., who has spent FAR more time than you or I EVER WILL on this subject.

Now, you don’t know whether Prof. Vincent Racaniello allows for the case of a ‘bat virus’ to HAVE ESCAPED from the lab, instead choosing the low hanging fruit and castigating me for ‘perceived’ errors (WHICH you have really not even identified), and which I do not appreciate.

The ‘citing’of each other’s experts does not have to be mutually exclusive in considering the various aspects of this contagion, e.g. by what ‘path’ did enter humans, what species it came from, etc.

BTW, for the future please bear in mind the name is “_Jim”, not “Jim” or Jimmy or any other ‘alternate’ form. This allows unique identification of the several ‘Jims’ on the board in replies and addressing.

May 7, 2020 3:49 pm

Google “Xing-Yi Ge” “Zhengli-Li Shi”, co-authors of the 2015 paper and decide for yourself what has happened. Lots of conspiracy theories but not much hard evidence.

VOLUME 21 | NUMBER 12 | DECEMBER 2015 nature medicine
Vineet D Menachery1, Boyd L Yount Jr1, Kari Debbink1,2, Sudhakar Agnihothram3, Lisa E Gralinski1, Jessica A Plante1, Rachel L Graham1, Trevor Scobey1, Xing-Yi Ge4, Eric F Donaldson1, Scott H Randell5,6, Antonio Lanzavecchia7, Wayne A Marasco8,9, Zhengli-Li Shi4 & Ralph S Baric1,2

Regards Allan

Gerald Machnee
April 28, 2020 11:04 am

I agree with Allan.
I suspect it escaped from the lab possibly due to poor techniques. My reasoning is based on the story that doctors and journalists were arrested and maybe disappeared.
They likely hoped to contain it but could not then they had to do the lockdowns.

Reply to  Gerald Machnee
April 28, 2020 3:34 pm

IF the Covid-19 virus came from the Wuhan bio-weapons lab, that information will be forcefully suppressed.

That means any credible witnesses will disappear – unlikely to ever re-surface – it is less expensive and more confidential to pop a bullet into their brain than to imprison them.

That kind of total control is what the Dems want for the USA and Trudeau wants from Canada. That is why we should reject everything they say – it is highly probable that it is a lie.

Gunga Din
April 28, 2020 4:22 pm

IF it is an escaped bio-weapon, it’s a pretty lame weapon. Too many people survive.
If it was meant to wreck economies, the jury is still out.

Clyde Spencer
April 30, 2020 12:33 pm

It looks like Trudeau is about to pull an ‘Oz’ and ban modern firearms.

John Culhane
May 4, 2020 7:42 am

Käthe Heusermann was a dental assistant in Germany. She was waiting in Berlin for her fiancé to return from the Russian front and she was detained by the Russians and helped them identify Hilters teeth. In order to preserve a propaganda lie that Hitler had escaped, she was shipped to the Lubyanka prison in Moscow and held in solitary confinement for several years before being shipped to the Gulag labour camps in Siberia where she nearly started to death. She was eventually released in 1955 and returned to Germany only to find herself declared dead by her husband who had remarried. She did not have much choice but to accept matters and move on.

In that context, what happens to the people arrested to cover a lie in China? Will we ever know?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  LdB
April 28, 2020 1:11 am

I’m not saying it was aliens, but….

Reply to  LdB
April 28, 2020 7:45 am

re: “There have been increased fly saucer reports.”

People at home, out in the evenings … are alcohol (packaged liquor, beer, wine) sales up? (and of course in some locales it may be cannabis, etc)

Reply to  LdB
April 28, 2020 8:38 am

I had a fly in my saucer yesterday but fortunately it didn’t get into my cuppa tea.
But I didn’t report it.

Reply to  LdB
April 28, 2020 12:26 pm

Corona virus, or Starlink?

Reply to  LdB
April 29, 2020 5:21 pm

But – if these reports and corroborating images are increasing in number, where are vast stores of digital evidence from cell phones to the internet observed in the last two decades? It ain’t like the demand for them ain’t there,

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 28, 2020 3:23 am

re: “made by … in a lab”

Response: “This is ridiculous” “its a bat virus
TWiV 603: “Cloudy with a chance of coronavirus”
Podcast with guests by Prof. of Virology Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 28, 2020 5:24 am

We gave the bats windmills, they gave us Corona, nothing as simple like that.

Serge Wright
April 27, 2020 10:46 pm

This pandemic is just one in a long line of pandemics since humans first walked the earth and it won’t be the last. Humans are more exposed to global pandemic today due to air travel, but medial advancement also means we can deal with the diseases more effectively. The only signs coming from mother nature are that virus exist and can jump species or mutate.

In the case of this coronavirus, the jury is still out as to whether it was natural or made in a lab. But, assuming it was made in a lab and escaped, the intent of the latest green messaging would be rather hypocritical, considering China will stand to make the most from more subsidisd RE sales and emits by far the most CO2 of any country to boot.

Steve Richards
April 27, 2020 10:47 pm

I watched the film last night. Quite good. Some good segments and lots of quotes on camera from people who sell green energy admitting that you will always need backup sources of energy. I took from the film that mike Moore was more concerned about population numbers but came across the disconnect with green, clean energy being anything but clean, green or free!
He missed the jump in his thinking that to reduce the population of the world, just get more cheap and reliable electricity to the third world. Electricity and its knock on effects have reduced population growth in the west to below replacement levels .

April 27, 2020 11:02 pm

“We are in dangerous, dangerous shape here, and this pandemic should act as a warning from Mother Nature that … our behavior is not appreciated,” he said.

While exposing the unholy alliance between crony capitalists and crony environmentalists (which is what sustains the climate alarm industry, and make no mistake, it IS an industry) is certainly welcome, the piece of muddled thinking above is exasperating.

Mother Nature is not some sort of sentient being, she sends no messages to anyone. At best “she” tries to kill pretty much everything alive one way or another over time. Given the brutal manner in which most wild animals die, I would say that any evidence of sentience must lean toward one sadistic b**ch. But if we’re going to ascribe messages to “her ” seems to me this one says the opposite. It says don’t eat wild animals you bought at a wet market you stupid idiots. The ones raised in feedlots where Mother Nature’s meddling is kept at bay by human ingenuity, health inspections, and modern meat processing standards aren’t just safer, they are WAY safer.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
April 28, 2020 8:38 am

The Pope recently declared that nature will never forgive us for the sins we are committing.

When I was a kid, when someone asked a question the answer to which was obvious, a common retort was often “Do bears defecate in the woods?” and “Is the Pope Catholic?”.

The answer to the second question is no longer as obvious as it used to be.

Reply to  MarkW
April 28, 2020 9:10 am

“The Pope recently declared that nature will never forgive us for the sins we are committing.”

I think he was referring to himself and his band of brothers who reckon that it’s perfectly natural for a bloke to ignore that natural urge to engage in a bit of rumpy-pumpy with sheilas.
I don’t even want to think about how they might suppress nature on this front.

Reply to  Mr.
April 28, 2020 10:31 am

Nature is nature. It can not, and never has been able to, forgive anything. It rolls along independently of anything humans do, and always has. For a supposedly Christian leader to declare that nature has the power to forgive says a lot about his denomination, or at least about his personal faith.

April 27, 2020 11:13 pm

It was absolutely HILARIOUS to watch Mary Barra have to admit that the power plant the Chevy Bolt was plugged into was powered entirely by coal. So her fancy EV … was fundamentally … powered by coal. Nice. She immediately retreated from that interviewer. That scene should be played over and over and over … until the dull witted … Elon Musk worshipping public finally “gets it”.

David Hood
Reply to  Kenji
April 27, 2020 11:37 pm

Totally agree Kenji – she was all smiles up to that point – then – smile time was over.
Its sort of funny – but she was just so serious – in denial about it maybe???

Reply to  Kenji
April 28, 2020 12:26 am

Did they interview the mayor of Georgetown, TX? You know, the country’s first 100% renewable-powered city.

Chris Hanley
April 27, 2020 11:35 pm

Despite the enormous size of the Climate-Industrial Complex it is but the junior partner in a Baptist-Bootlegger-type coalition, it was ideologues that started the CC™ hysteria, the bootleggers have merely fanned and exploited it.
The bootleggers need the baptists, the baptists don’t need the bootleggers.

April 27, 2020 11:35 pm

It’s not really Moore’s film at all, but that of his long time colloborator Jeff Gibbs. Gibbs is a man so ignorant that he openly admits that he thought if you make a solar panel it will produce electricity forerver. Having dicovered that wasn’t true, he seems to have went on to discover that wind turbines, solar panels and batteries are not the answer to anything, and that biomass is not green at at all though it does serve to inflate the energy from ‘renewables column. In the end, it’s all the fault of greedy corporations and capitalism, naturally. So Moore is quite happy to append his name to it.

Reply to  Charlie
April 28, 2020 8:40 am

To the non-technically minded, it seems that something without moving parts should last forever.
The fact that this attitude exists is just more evidence that schools no longer teach critical thinking.

Old Ranga from Oz
April 28, 2020 12:18 am

Michael Moore, I hope, is basically having fun – by developing the concept, sticking with the project once the real story became apparent, then deciding the real story was the Big One: Capitalism is evil, and we’ve been dudded.

Moore has never been one for dudding his audience.

Reply to  Old Ranga from Oz
April 28, 2020 5:25 am

Moore should at least take a glimpse at China if he really wants to expose evil.

Reply to  Scissor
April 28, 2020 8:42 am

To the left, intentions trump results.
The dictators of China claim that there only goal is the welfare of their subjects. Because they claim to care, whether they do good or evil no longer matters.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Old Ranga from Oz
April 28, 2020 10:36 am

Old Ranga
Moore seems to usually have an agenda behind his movies, such as “Bowling at Columbine.” More recently, his movie “Avatar” might well be sub-titled “Back to the Future: Revisiting Custer’s Last Stand.” It was a green appeal for Nature, demonstrating the evil of technology, and advocating for a mystic, organic life.

Ivor Ward
April 28, 2020 12:35 am

The lack of logic in the “Gaia” and “Mother Nature” brigade by looking at humanity as a non-natural species is surely exposed by viral infection not reinforced by it. Corvid19 simply shows that we are as much a part of the natural fight for survival against the odds as wasps and ants and elephants. We may appear to be more successful than some species but I imagine the dinosaurs and dodos were pretty content with their lot for a while. Ironic that our current biggest predators are the smallest organisms. There is probably a lot of self congratulation going on in Virusland at the moment.

Reply to  Ivor Ward
April 28, 2020 8:44 am

Mankind has been going into the woods and eating anything we can catch for as long as their has been a mankind.
The idea that this is something new and unique is an idea so dumb that only a leftist could come up with it. (It’s also another problem with having so many people grow up in cities. They no longer have any idea of what the natural world is like, nor what the real history of man and the natural world is.)

Jim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
April 28, 2020 10:54 am

Yep! Butchers make the meat in the back room!

April 28, 2020 12:51 am

Remember that, although wealthy, Moore is rabidly anti-capitalist. Not long ago, Steyer and Bloomberg were seen as probable opposition to Sanders, who Moore backs. Bloomberg was anticipated to self-destruct, and the Sanders crew already had a plan, eventually successful, for dealing with him. This film was composed as a slap at Steyer’s business, intended to reduce his green credentials, but one that didn’t need to land. It is still a slap at reactionary capitalist, zombie Dumercrats, who seem to be in power but still self-destructing. Once turned on, Moore can’t help releasing it regardless, possibly to kick off an anti-establishment in-party fight just in time for the convention, if they hold it. Just ‘murrican politics as usual, heavy on the lard.
Watch for an extinction+antifa union in Milwaukee. Shades of ’68.

April 28, 2020 1:07 am

Moore also claimed that corporations and parts of Wall Street have been trying to “take over the green energy movement because they see profit in it.”

“They try to buy off certain people and organizations within the movement,” he said.

Well, duh! If there’s a way to make money, somebody will try it. An example would be greenwashing.

As for buying off people at the top of the environmental movement, Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy says:

…in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representatives who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions. link

As Patrick Moore experienced, the major organizations have been taken over and essentially operate for the benefit of the apparatchiks that run them.

The apparatchiks are self perpetuating and are just as venal as any other group. They’re easy to buy off.

Leo Smith
Reply to  commieBob
April 28, 2020 1:14 am

That is a blatant crib from the Iron Law of Oligarchy which states that in any complex society democracy will become an oligarchy, as the only people who can run it will be those brought up and educated to do so.
Read it. Some interesting notions.

Reply to  Leo Smith
April 28, 2020 4:57 am

Pournelle seems to limit his focus, which is good.

The founders envisioned the problem even though the book wouldn’t be written until a hundred years later. Anyway, the American system seems to be robust against a hereditary oligarchy, the reason being that there is considerable churn at the top. Good Capitalism, Bad Capitalism …

There are a few things I think are really genius. One of them is the American Constitution.

Reply to  commieBob
April 28, 2020 8:42 am

Churn at the top? You mean Dubya’s grandparents weren’t oligarchs?
Oh right, they were.
The main reason I was sad that HRC lost to Trump (I wasn’t really sad) was that it would have meant a husband/wife president right after a father/son president. The same 2 families as President in half of the terms since Reagan.
Not even 3rd world banana republics can say the same – it is one or the other but not both.
Just because new oligarchs get added doesn’t mean there’s really “churn”.
The US Senate turns over less than the Russian or Chinese Communist Central Committee.

Reply to  c1ue
April 28, 2020 8:56 am

re: “The US Senate turns over less than the Russian or Chinese Communist Central Committee.”

How does this work out, by party, I wonder?

You DO know the states used to appoint to office the various US senators? Bonus point question: Which amendment to the Constitution changed that?

Leo Smith
April 28, 2020 1:09 am

Of course Big Money bought the Greens decades ago. Al Gore started that.
Why wouldn’t they?
Why let a great little eco movement with traction in to the well-heeled, simply go around making a nuisance of itself when you could turn it into the biggest marketing campaign for dirt cheap snake oil sold at huge profits?

Of COURSE Big OIL owns the greens. Conventional Oil profits rise with every energy price rise, and fall against the biggest three competitors – fracking, coal and nuclear.

What are the greens against? Fracking, coal and nuclear.
Ah, I hear you say, but that doesn’t explain renewable energy, which surely reduces fossil fuel usage?
Does it? Really?
With the sorts of engineers Big Oil has in its employ, it would take them a lot less than the 2-3 years it took me to convince myself that there would be globally almost no reduction on fossil fuel usage by dint of windmills and solar panels. A fact which is now becoming all apparent to those who realise that Germany is the biggest per country, per capita, per Gigawatt hour, emitter of CO2 as well as being the leading advocate and installer of renewable energy.
Greenism is a fantastic way to make existing kit obsolete and sell you new kit, as well.
What do you do when everyone already owns enough stuff for their needs?
Invent reasons why they should replace it, of course.
Don’t ask me how likely is it that Big Oil owns the greens, ask me how unlikely it is that that they dont….

Leo Smith
Reply to  Leo Smith
April 28, 2020 1:29 am

It occurred to me after writing the above, that this completely explains Michael Moore. He is anti big business, and has merely recognised that big business backs Green, and Green is a front for big business…
The problem today is that Capitalism and Communism, have common aims: to reduce society to compliant slaves under the aegis of a dictatorship.

i.e. to ensure political power and prosperity for the elite by selling the population down the river to become corporate wage slaves and good little Believers in whatever Cant the marketing team has dreamt up for them today.

Personally I see a difference between capitalism per se, and Big Business.
Capitalism works but business can be too big to control Only governments can do that, and when they too have been bought…

Reply to  Leo Smith
April 28, 2020 3:08 am

When “big business”, a handful of firms, banks take over it is the classic “fasces”, the Roman fistful of staves, made known to the world as fascism. Soon after Germany introduced gleichschaltung, where a semblance of government operated in those interests.
So it is Rome all over again, maybe the Fourth Rome?
Edward Gibbon wrote the “Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire” in 1776, a paean to the British Empire since 1763, an attempt to avoid its inevitable collapse.
Not clear if Moore is aware of any of this. Maybe some “instinct” warns him?
Yet extremely curious is the Pope’s recent apparent conversion to green – maybe big Green lucre in the Vatican? Has he forgotten Tiberius, Pilates?
One of Rome’s strategies was perpetual war on various fronts. Today the New Rome targets China and Russia (again!), and along comes President Trump to stop these forever wars, work with China, while a pandemic rages.

April 28, 2020 1:11 am

Comments above about Corona virus let loose being connected to mother nature and the environment ?

Those type of comments belong on the planet of the galactically stupid.

Rod Evans
April 28, 2020 1:35 am

I get the impression the likes of Michael Moore who demand an end to capitalism having done very well personally from it, are using the wrong phraseology.
I watched the Planet of the Humans and found it a powerful portrayal of all that is wrong with the Green hypocrite fraternity.
I suspect Moore isn’t actually against capitalism. He is maybe against obscene greed and wanton destruction of natural environments for the purpose of enhancing an individual’s wealth and greed.
The likes of Gore and others who are making $millions out of so called Green advocacy, are not capitalists per se, they are just selfish individuals overwhelmed by their own greed. The easy pickings of Green technology supported by state edicts make the going for excessive greed so much easier for them.
I also suspect, Moore, like so many Green Socialists , was comfortable complaining about the system that was making him rich so long as the system kept rewarding him.
His decision to throw the high priests of Green under the bus marked “hypocrite”, is interesting and is something I don’t fully understand.
Maybe he finally came to terms with the truth? The truth is, fossil fuel is helpful and takes people out of poverty.
Maybe, he has seen too many people in uber Green California sleeping rough on the side walk and maybe he felt guilty?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 28, 2020 10:49 am

Your remarks remind me of the quote from Lord Acton: “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” Money is a form of power. Probably the greatest problem with capitalism is the potential for extreme disparity in distribution of wealth. That is, the majority face the power of a few extremely powerful individuals, who effectively have more than one vote.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
April 28, 2020 6:42 pm

Clyde, hopefully most people realise that at the top, it is less about ‘us and them’, and more about collaborating with each other to become even more wealthy and more powerful. It is to their advantage to pit us against each other, by doing this we are giving over our power to them.

The billionaires of this world are looking to be the leaders of a global government. The poor will not benefit and the lifestyles of the billionaires will not change in any way. We are are beneath them, they have no understanding of the real world. Michael Moore’s Documentary may well be a starting point to expose them for who they are.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
April 29, 2020 6:24 am

Yes. A variation on the quote is “Power corrupts. Absolute power – is kinda neat, though!”. This is the ‘Great Attractor’, which explains just why so many politicians are corrupt!

April 28, 2020 2:13 am

“Whatever Moore’s goals and motivation, Moore’s new documentary is a huge challenge to the established green order.”

Not in Australia, where the mainstream print, TV and ABC media I constantly monitor haven’t referenced it once. The only people in Australia who know about Planet of the Humans are readers of the WUWT, Jo Nova and Jennifer Marohasy blogs.

As usual, the MSM doesn’t report what is news. It creates what is news. There must be some in Australia’s “green order” who know about the film, but they also know the best line of attack is to say nothing.

Hugh Davis
Reply to  Chris Gillham
April 28, 2020 3:15 am

Doesn’t Sky News Australia count as mainstream?


Reply to  Hugh Davis
April 28, 2020 5:38 am

Yes Hugh, Sky News is on to it, a number of their journalists have covered it, you can see their news items on YouTube too. The ABC hasn’t said a peep about it, they know it will get more views if they do. Don’t know about the regular commercial channels.

Reply to  Hugh Davis
April 28, 2020 5:42 am

Sky News is free in the regional areas, otherwise it’s a pay channel.

Reply to  Chris Gillham
April 28, 2020 3:27 am

re: “As usual, the MSM doesn’t report what is news. It creates what is news.”

BEST line of the morning, so far! (As a thunderstorm rages outside this morning at 5:26 AM local)

Reply to  Chris Gillham
April 28, 2020 5:54 am

so email bomb everyone
and then a day later write and ask what did they think of it?

Cyril Gibb
Reply to  Chris Gillham
April 28, 2020 12:28 pm

Canada’s national broadcaster, the CBC had coverage of Moore’s “Farenhheit 911”, “Bowling for Columbine” and “Roger and Me”. Many articles and interviews. Planet of the Humans, not so much as a peep.
I guess balance in Canada by my tax supported broadcaster is too much to expect.

Reply to  Cyril Gibb
April 28, 2020 6:55 pm

Same with the ABC here in Australia Cyril, not a peep. I believe that most people in Australia would be happy to see the propaganda machine shut down, we certainly resent supporting it through our taxes. The federal and some state governments (supposedly conservative) in Australia are out of touch on so many issues.

April 28, 2020 2:54 am

The Hudson Institute recently released the results of their study of an in-depth timeline since last November that found that 95% of the deaths caused by the coronavirus worldwide could have been avoided if the CCP had simply told the truth!


So the coronavirus isn’t the problem at all–LYING ABOUT IT IS!!

April 28, 2020 3:17 am

Michael Moore is probably just grumpy coz he’s hungry.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  ggm
April 28, 2020 3:32 am

Which belly would that be?

April 28, 2020 3:43 am

Can someone please give me a definition of ‘capitalism’. Why aren’t ‘green’ billionaires capitalists. I know someone who owns two boutique hotels in Bali and an apartment in Bondi. He is definitely not a billionaire but I would consider him quite wealthy. He is a leftist greenie and claims to hate capitalists. Why isn’t he a capitalist?

Reply to  Megs
April 28, 2020 5:17 am

He is a capitalist regardless of what he says. Just covering up by trying to pretend he is a green. He has plenty of company including our former Prime Minister.

Reply to  Quilter52
April 28, 2020 6:18 am

Thanks Quilter, I would have thought so, surely anyone who is self sufficient, wants for next to nothing and living a comfortable lifestyle is a capitalist. He certainly professes to be green, couldn’t get him to watch the movie, and I so wanted him to see it how it is.

As for the ghost, when is he going to give it up. Our incumbent government has been heavily infiltrated by greens, probably under his watch, our area has been declared as one of three Renewable Energy Zones. Totalitarianism, 300 hectares of solar panels have already been built and an additional 1,800 hectares are in the pipeline. It sucks, in the ‘greater interest’ apparently.

Reply to  Megs
April 28, 2020 8:07 am

My theory as to why many of the wealthy tend to support leftism is two fold.

One is that they are hardly affected. It’s easy to reap the rewards of virtue signalling and they will continue to live their lives as always. They can afford expensive solutions to non problems, and they can probably get in on it further expanding their wealth and power.

Secondly, it keeps the “riff raff” in their place. They despise the poor and they don’t want them driving and owning cars and having the same freedoms of movement and association the wealthy enjoy, and having access to a increasingly higher standards of living. Socialism basically stops upward mobility of the surfs.

Reply to  KT66
April 28, 2020 8:51 am

About 20 years ago I decided that the reason why the left was so against air travel was because the best vacation spots were becoming so crowded.

Reply to  MarkW
April 28, 2020 9:20 am

I’ve worked and saved all my life in the hope that one day I would be rich enough to become a lefty.
Alas, my aspirations have not been fulfilled, and now I must accept that in this regard they never will be.
(But as the Stones sang – “you can’t always get what you want. But you get what you need”)

B d Clark
April 28, 2020 3:44 am

If moor is making a power grab then it’s a hollow one ,weres his alternative for a alternative, what would change with moor holding the reins , hes already stated green energy does not work, on a large scale, its vastly costly and no way has the green credentials it’s made out to have ,

Exactly what else is he exposing, capitalists taking over the green energy sector? So what’s the problem the ability to take green energy, finance it in the private sector and lobby for it through the private sector is that not the green dream ? Is he saying on the one hand it does not work ,and on the other it does work if financed and controlled by the private sector, weres the hypocrisy surley the revolution is more important than who controls the revolution,

I dont think moor is playing for power in the green movement ,hes condemned the movement at its core for the scam it is , it does not work as a global, national power alternative, yet offers no alternative. He exposes a buy out ,not a sell off by the green movement capitalists trying to buy into green companies, wall street ect. So what! in the above paragraph I said surley the revolution is more important than who controls the revolution.

So moor hates the idea of big investment, new conventional money taking over the green movement even though this would further the revolution, and uses the term “buy off ” to condemn the hierarchy,

Moor states clearly alternative power generation does not work.

So he exposes the revolution for the scam it is and condemns the forward motion of the revolution purely because it’s being taken over by capitalism, would moor prefer nationalisation of all green generation even though it does not work? It’s really hard to see his objective other than complete running down of society or stick to conventional power generation.

April 28, 2020 5:47 am

How about a documentary film on all the seaside estates of the AGW promoters who made money off rising seas scare agendas. All you need is a boat, a camera, and some tide gauge data.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  ResourceGuy
April 28, 2020 6:55 am

All you need is a boat, a camera…

and a well known name as producer, with a ego appealing to the Green mob.

There are already a wealth of damn good films out there in the Internet clouds, but without fairly prominent actors, producers and connections, it is difficult to promote a film controversial to the audience you want to reach.
So whatever Moore’s inner thoughts are and were, is not paramount important. Important is that the film may be seen by enough Greens to make an impact. Mr. Moore could even end up receiving the Nobel price as a fighter for the common Green good (or something like that), if he had not gone against the majority of the Green industry. Mr. Gore got a lot more things wrong (read everything), but succeeded due to his already prominent name and great connections.
If you are not playing golf with the right people, you will have difficulties.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
April 28, 2020 7:35 am

re: ” All you need is a boat, ”


We’re living in the age of the drone camera … Side question: Did you happen to see the drone fly-over of the Epstein island estate?

April 28, 2020 6:10 am

Moore is a jilted true believer who just discovered that his beloved has been stepping out on him and has been doing the horizontal mambo with his nemesis (corporatism). His environmentalism is secondary to his hatred of corporate greed. Tilting at the GM windmill is where he cut his teeth and it’s where his heart lies. And now the wheel of life has brought him full circle, discovering that the Green movement is nothing more than a corporate greenwashing scheme.

Reply to  Steve
April 28, 2020 8:53 am

Most leftists define greed as being having more than the leftist does.
How dare those evil capitalists have more than I do, I am way more virtuous than any of them.

April 28, 2020 7:15 am

this pandemic should act as a warning from Mother Nature that … our behavior is not appreciated

What absurd logic. I wonder what he would think about someone who said AIDS is a curse from God against gays.

Roy Thomas Sokolowski
April 28, 2020 7:21 am

Just watched the film. Pretty much common sense information that anyone knowing anything about the issues with green energy already know. The did not really get into no fossil fuels by 2050 or utter lunacy such as the green new deal, but overall a damning critic of green power. It is the emperor has no clothes moment for the left and Micheal Moore is the unlikely person calling him out.

April 28, 2020 8:23 am

Sorry, but the WuWT commentariat here (most of them) have totally dropped the ball.
1) The movie isn’t actually by Michael Moore. He gave money for it (i.e. executive producer) and promoted it, but the actual script and what not is by Gibbs.
2) Whatever you want to say about Michael Moore, he’s not a hypocrite. He’s 100% socialist and doesn’t pretend otherwise.
3) Have you people actually watched the film?
It shows Sierra Club, McKibben, Al Gore and “Blood” money-man as sellouts and/or hypocrites in their own words. I always believed McKibben was a scumbag but even I was surprised by just how much of a scumbag he really is.
It interviews people who are in the wind and solar industries, as well as people who are green but have looked at the details of renewable energy.
Every ad hominem attack on Michael Moore or this film by anyone at WuWT is reprising climate panicmonger consensus tactics: group think as opposed to independent evaluation.

Reply to  c1ue
April 28, 2020 8:46 am

re: “He gave money for it (i.e. executive producer) ”

Its in the credit roll … pretty obvious to those of us (like me) who viewed the entire thing. The rest of your comment represents a fairly broad smear, which I think is unwarranted, but ride your ‘hobby horse’ as you see fit …

Reply to  c1ue
April 28, 2020 8:56 am

So being a rich socialist excuses one from going on and on about the evils of other people being rich?

Pat from Kerbob
April 28, 2020 8:44 am

good questions
I still don’t understand why Moore was part of this NOW, as this can only help Trump in november

Harry Passfield
April 28, 2020 8:56 am

and this pandemic should act as a warning from Mother Nature that … our behavior is not appreciated

If Moore is anthropomorphising Mother Nature and claiming ‘she’ is punishing mankind then the virus ought to be renamed Greta, as it can only be as intelligent and ‘know’ as much as her. Sheesh!

Beta Blocker
April 28, 2020 9:02 am

Building and operating variable energy resources (VARs) such as wind, solar, and gas-fired backup generation offers excellent profit making opportunities in power markets where cheap, reliable baseload power generation is being forced off the grid by renewable energy mandates.

The customers for these variable energy resources are the politicians who support green energy mandates and those voters among their political constituencies who elect those politicians. By giving these customers just what they want, the suppliers of VAR electric power services are only doing what good capitalists do, they are making a respectable profit off of whatever products and services the market demands.

The inherent variability of the VARs offers a number of opportunities for manipulating the power markets in ways that are opaque to the average electricity consumer. For green energy politicians, for green energy activists, and for suppliers of VAR electric power technology and services, it’s all a win-win situation. Why wouldn’t they go after those opportunities?

Reply to  Beta Blocker
April 28, 2020 5:25 pm

The thing is Beta, the incumbent federal government in Australia is conservative, at least it’s supposed to be. We thought we were voting in a party that had our best interests at heart. Turns out that free speech is none existent now so the government don’t even know what we want, and the ‘gatekeepers’ seem to follow the green mantra so correspondence is not being passed on to Members of Parliament. The federal government subsidises renewables in a push to meet the Paris agreement (idiots).

The Minister for Environment in the State of NSW is also meant to be a conservative member, well, he may as well be deep green. He has nominated three zones in country NSW to be Renewable Energy Zones. These zones are state significant and are for the ‘greater good’ of the people. The people living in these zones have no say whatsoever and are not compensated for loss of property values, or jobs but you see, it’s for the greater good.

Our town is part of one of these Renewable Energy Zones, a beautiful historic town, population 2,700. It is a town from the gold rush era in the 1870’s from the time of bush rangers such as Ned Kelly and the famous poet Henry Lawson. The town is well preserved and has four museums of significance. It doesn’t have any traffic lights or even roundabouts. It doesn’t have any of the takeaway franchises or neon lights, all of this makes it feel like a step back in time and very authentic. This town has many events during the year, the Henry Lawson Festival is one of three major events held here each year and all are well supported. There is an international Clay festival held here every two years with master potters coming from all over the world, the town swells by 600 to 700 extra people during that week. We had the Welsh Choir singing in our little country opera house this year, sadly it was for one night only and it was a sellout.

I think you get the picture, the thing is that the reason they want to put the renewables in town’s such as ours, apart from the sunshine, is that they are also coal mining towns. There are substations and grids in place. Of course the grids will need to be massively upgraded. The thing is, we are used to the mines, they are not in our faces and they provide many of the jobs for the people in our towns.

They have already put in a 300 hectare solar plant four kilometers from town. There is an additional 800 hectares of solar panels in the pipeline right next to that and we found out that 1,000 hectare solar plant has been proposed seven kilometers north of here. More than 2,000 hectares of solar panels around our little town. Who knows what else they have planned.

They try to talk it up with promises of jobs, what a joke. We import all of our wind and solar from China, so no jobs there. The developers are from overseas and we seem to be quite happy to sell off our land to overseas concerns. There are few jobs to be had here in Australia, we, like the rest of the world don’t have recycling of renewables. Apart from the specialist jobs like electricians and such most of it is in in construction, and that is only short term. On completion there are a handful of full time employees. They couldn’t find 150 out of work laborers when they built our 300 hectares solar plant, nearly all of that type of labor was provided by backpackers.

When these plants are completed they are sold to overseas concerns. We have a large coal fire power plant a few hundred kilometers from us that is due to be decommissioned in a couple of years. They are ramping up the renewables to compensate for this. Once they shut down the plant and the mines of course there will be no more jobs. The history of Australia will die along with our towns. The ghost town in Michael Moore’s movie will be replicated in many town’s like ours right across central NSW.

The only people who make any money out of all this is the developers and the landowners who sell out their communities. Government subsidies cover this.

Voting is compulsory in Australia, the thing is you don’t often get who you think you are voting for.

Reply to  Megs
April 29, 2020 5:53 pm

Well, megs. Apart from immigration, thank you for explaining why Americans voted Trump to be auS president. He agrees with you. Will Oz ever find its own outraged voice?

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 28, 2020 9:05 am

Of course there is another explanation. It’s psychological. Moore is objective enough to draw the conclusion from his observations that the whole green edifice is a crock. But he is psychologically incapable of making the inference that therefore the green movement is actually the bad guys. How are you able to not reach that conclusion? By positing the idea that green has been been seduced by the devil, those nasty corporate capitalists. If only the sinners repent everything will be fine. But of course it would not because green’s badness is an essential aspect of the affliction it is.

Douglas Graham
April 28, 2020 9:57 am

The fallacy of the left is the constant belief in utopia. They never studied. Utopia does not exist. Can’t. Sorry to break it to you. Oh, and left alone, people ruling other people become assholes. If you created Utopia these people would destroy it.

Utopia literally means “nowhere”:
from Greek ou “not” + topos “place”

sorry to ruin your fantasy

should we be better stewards of the earth? of course. But making the earth somehow “perfect” is impossible. It just is.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Douglas Graham
April 28, 2020 11:00 am

I would say that the defining characteristic of liberals/progressives is that they are never happy with the status quo, and think that they have the wisdom to improve upon everything. It is a hubris born of a false sense of their intelligence and entitlement. However, I’m reminded of the old saying that “When the gods wish to punish us, they grant us our wishes.” It seems that most on the left are unacquainted with that.

April 28, 2020 10:03 am

Michael Moore, Gibbs, and the guy who’s name begins with a Z answer some of their critics in a new The Hill Rising video on YouTube. Moore starts out by stating that the essential problem is that “The problem is that under the current system we are always asking for Moore, Moore, Moore” I couldn’t agree Moore. Moore is a serious problem and asking for Moore of him is self-destructive. Really the very best admission by a public figure that he’s the problem I’ve every heard.

Doug Graham
April 28, 2020 10:11 am

The film makes some very good points. There is no green new deal. My fear is that their point is the only solution is to hurry up and extinct people.
It is a slow film. It needs to be watched at double speed.
Any real student of energy and the needs of humans knows that there is no viable green new deal. Natgas is a great energy source. We should do more in nuclear research. There are solutions. Hydro screws up rivers. Wind and solar cannot scale beyond the most basic of energy needs.
Loved when they all got a big yuck out of saying Al Gore was a “Profit”.

April 28, 2020 11:52 am

There are three camps in the climate debate:
One: The problem does not exist, no solution needed.
Two: We have a huge problem, and we hav a solution.
Three: we have a huge problem, and we have no solution to it.

Michael Moore is in camp three.

Reply to  Jan kjetil Andersen
April 28, 2020 7:04 pm

Jan there is camp 4: Renewable energy, bought about to save the world from a non existent problem, has and continues to create massive problems by it’s own existence and needs to be stopped urgently.

Of course that won’t happen, follow the money.

Vernon Van Steenkist
Reply to  Jan kjetil Andersen
April 29, 2020 9:44 am

Correct if you add that Michael Moore believes that the only solution is population control.

April 28, 2020 11:57 am

Does anyone here know if Ivanpah – shown in his film is still trying to generate electricity with the 3 towers?
Looking on Google Earth, it looks like all three areas and it’s 350,000 mirrors are being dismantled and is a solar dead zone as states in the Michael Moore film.
Does anyone know? – if you search on Google there is nowhere where it states that it is being dismantled. In fact all the search results I have seen show that it is 100% operating – LOL.
Look on google earth and zoom in all three are disheveled to say the least. There is some guy on another thread who says that it is still working and that the towers are still lit up – anyone know?


Curious George
Reply to  Jon P Peterson
April 28, 2020 12:53 pm

The plant looks good on Google Earth with a 2020 image.

Reply to  Curious George
April 28, 2020 1:28 pm

Geepers! Did you zoom in? Many mirrors are missing and pointing in a lot of other directions other than the towers. (in all three areas).
I think I have a way to post some pics from screen shots that I took of Ivanpah.


tsk tsk
April 28, 2020 2:57 pm
April 28, 2020 4:42 pm

Upsetting the hard left is not that hard. Simply applying a semblance of logic and reason to an emotional argument will suffice. All hard left arguments boil down to emotion; forestry causes extinctions, capitalism enslaves and carbon dioxide cooks.

Do not think. Just feel.

Bill Alexander
April 28, 2020 5:07 pm

The Distributor pulled the film ? Didn’t know it had a Distributor, and surely the horse had left the barn before any such had been appointed.

Chris Hoff
April 28, 2020 8:06 pm

The whole carbon credit cap and trade scam would probably supply enough material on it’s own for yet another Michael Moore documentary.

April 29, 2020 7:57 am

There are also some funny videos on YouTube of dogs chasing their own tail.

Vernon Van Steenkist
April 29, 2020 9:36 am

Why have you not linked to the full Planet Of The Humans documentary which is available for free on YouTube? Watch the documentary yourself and draw your own conclusions instead of listening to other peoples descriptions.

May 4, 2020 5:45 pm

By far the most hilarious aspect of Moore’s departure from the velvet sofa of approved thought comes from his erstwhile worshippers
May 4, 2020
2:54 PM EDT

By far the most hilarious aspect of Moore’s departure from the velvet sofa of approved thought comes from his erstwhile worshippers. The anathemas ring out from every crevice. He is viewed now by one and all of them as a miscreant, a turncoat, a toy of the establishment and a “danger to the planet.” Even harsher terms have been deployed. From icon to wretch at the turn of a sprocket.

Elizabeth May, our own queen of green, is fraught and distressed. She sees the documentary as “dangerous.” Bill McKibben of 350.org, weeps and wails at length in Rolling Stone over Moore’s defection from climate truthery. The Sanhedrin of the global warming establishment are of one mood. Kill the movie. Ostracize their erstwhile hero. He is now a “non” progressive. There are famous people who would pay to shake his hand a couple of months ago who would now avoid a parking lot he once walked by.

Can these things be? That Michael Moore, truth teller of yesteryear, archangel of leftist correctness, knight of the anti-corporate establishment, honoured presence at Democratic conventions, fan and supporter of Bernie Sanders, devastator of George (chimpanzee) Bush, and podcaster with guest Naomi Klein, is now to this same crowd, persona non grata, outcast and deceiver.

It appears so.

As to the film itself, I see no reason to believe it is better or worse than any other he has done. The reaction to it, however, has been — let me summon the eloquence of the MasterCard commercial — priceless.

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