More things we don’t know about the Chinese virus #coronavirus

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

Though the daily rate of growth in cumulative Chinese-virus cases continues to fall, the daily rate of growth in cumulative deaths seems to have reached a plateau. Unfortunately, in the world as a whole deaths are still increasing at 6% per day, compound. If that rate were to persist, deaths from the virus would double in just 12 days.

In the United States, the growth rate in deaths is 10.3% compound per day: in Canada, 12.9%. If those rates were to persist, deaths in these countries would double in six or seven days. In Britain, where the daily death-growth rate is 7.2%, make that ten days. That is why attempts to compare the present cumulative deaths with a typical flu season are misconceived. Deaths from the Chinese virus are still rising far too fast for comfort.

Which is why Mr Trump’s tweets telling Democrat governors of states maintaining lockdowns may yet prove inappropriate. The President is in a difficult corner: he wants to restart the economy, because the cost of lockdowns is prodigious, but, like Mr Johnson in London, he is vulnerable to the charge that he did too little too late. Because the spread of a new infection is always near-perfectly exponential, there is a premium on acting very early, as South Korea and Taiwan did, and as Messrs. Trump and Johnson did not.

Unfortunately, there are still too many unknown unknowns to assist governments in taking sound decisions, which is why most of them have, in the end, opted for caution, though it comes at a heavy economic cost.

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Fig. 1. Mean compound daily growth rates in cumulative confirmed cases of COVID-19 for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from March 28 to April 17, 2020.

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Fig. 2. Mean compound daily growth rates in cumulative COVID-19 deaths for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from April 4 to April 17, 2020.

Sweden, for instance, has been the poster-child for doing without lockdowns. At first, this was a strategy that seemed to be working well. Indeed, as our graphs here show, Sweden – the bright blue line – has case-growth and death-growth rates only a little above the global mean, and it has achieved those rates without lockdown.

However, Sweden’s 1400 cumulative deaths are more than twice the combined totals in Finland, Norway and Denmark (which is by far the most populous country in Scandinavia), and the infection has spread to several retirement homes because the Public Health Agency had not ensured that staff had, and wore, masks, gloves and gowns to protect patients. We do not yet know, therefore, whether no-lockdown strategies work even in countries which, like Sweden, have high social cohesion and low population density.

To try to find out whether Sweden’s strategy of not locking down the country is likely to work, Dr Björn Olsen, Professor of infectious medicine at Uppsala University, recently asked the Swedish Public Health Agency for access to the data on the basis of which it opted against lockdown. He has had no reply. Some 22 experts recently put their names to a very critical op-ed in the Dagens Nyheter, calling for a reappraisal of the policy.

Perhaps the most important question to which we do not yet have an answer is whether those who have recovered the infection are or will remain immune. The World Health Organization (admittedly the least reliable source of information on this infection) now says that immunity among those who have recovered cannot be taken for granted. If that is true, then antibody testing will be a lot less useful than it might have been.

Nor do we know when a vaccine may be found. But let us end with some good news. Researchers at Oxford University are so confident that they have found a workable vaccine that they are producing a million shots even before it has been subjected to clinical trial or approved. They are taking the risk, because they think they have the answer. Let us pray that their confidence is justified.

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Steven Mosher
April 18, 2020 7:18 pm

Sweden and lockdowns

Governments impose lockdowns because they do not know the routes of transmission.
So they prevent everything they can out of an abundance of caution.

However in the absence of a government lockdown, people “lockdown” anyway, even in Sweden.

How do we know?

Mobility data

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-04-11_SE_Mobility_Report_en.pdf

But 1 thing is different in Sweden when compared to other countries. They go to the park.

around 80% of transmission is within the family.

It might not be the best idea to lock people in their homes.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 18, 2020 7:23 pm

More than 50% live in single occupancy households.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Charles Rotter
April 18, 2020 7:54 pm

Folks forget that cold weather mortality is tied to being couped up inside with sick people

Greg
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 1:07 am

It is also due to our habit of overheating in winter. People heat to around 24 deg C when it 5 outside. That results in RH of about 30%. Very unhealthy and good for many influenza viruses.

LdB
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 18, 2020 7:26 pm

Only the worst effected countries can you not go the park most allow exercise periods and you must obey social distancing rules while in the park.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  LdB
April 18, 2020 7:52 pm

In the USA they have closed parks.
some governors (texas) are considering opening them

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 6:53 am

Florida opened some of their beaches yesterday.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  LdB
April 18, 2020 7:59 pm

In reviewing data from a many countries Sweden is the only one where mobility to parks has
increased

so you might not have a regulation forbidding going to the park
but in fact, people are going less

except in Sweden.

make of it what you will?

anyway, name the country where travel to parks is up

I found 2

Sweden and Korea

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 3:28 am

“Name a country where travel to parks is up.
Japan, definitely. I was so encouraged to see so many families out playing with their children the last couple of days.
What’s the death rate per capital? Barely more than 1 per million.
Maybe because Abe desperately didn’t want to lose chances for the Summer Olympics, stricter policies weren’t encouraged until much later, allowing herd immunity to develop faster.
Many elderly and astute Japanese still remember their previous totalitarian govt, so there is a lot of opposition to draconian state policies.
Even so, the latest policies are becoming an economic disaster.
Regarding herd immunity, who are you going to believe? Check out one of Knut Wittkowski’s videos, which are going viral, thankfully. For example:

A C Osborn
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 4:18 am

Fresh air & sunshine (vitamin D) & exercise are good for.
Providing social spacing is adhered to it is a good thing.
Some governments can’t see the wood for the trees.

April 18, 2020 7:55 pm

Is there a moderator tonight? I posted on here 5 hours ago, not seeing my comment….

April 18, 2020 8:58 pm

All right, I shall re-create my post.

The most important thing we do not know about the CoronaVirus is how many people already have it. There is significant evidence that the number of cases is off by maybe a factor of 10, or 20, or 50. Diamond Princess, Theodore Roosevelt carrier, Iceland, a new Stanford study of Santa Clara County in CA, and the German random sample study, lots more people have it then are showing symptoms.

This means several things: Lockdowns do not work, as the disease is too infectious. Many many cases non-symptomatic, which means we do not know the fatality rate , not only do we not know it, we have no idea, could be 80 times more. I think I might have it myself, as I am a little hoarse for the last week, but I feel
fine, continue to work out.

And I am 61.

This voluntary destruction of a successful economy is looking more and more as arguably the stupidest thing in human history, worse than Jonestown, worse than the Crusades, pick your poison. Um, 22 million unemployed in three weeks? Unemployment creates the Four Horsemen of Stupidity, Domestic Violence, Opioid Overdose, Suicides, and Binge Drinking Deaths. All of these are spiking dramatically.

Put on a mask, wash your hands, and go back to work, all of us.

How are you Count? Where did my earlier post go???

A C Osborn
Reply to  Michael Moon
April 19, 2020 4:23 am

It is because of the asymptomatic cases that we need lockdown, or Social Spacing.
If it was only those with serious symptoms we had to worry about we would all know to completely avoid them and they would know not to go out.
You have it back to front.

Reply to  A C Osborn
April 19, 2020 8:07 am

AC/DC,

Somebody does. If the lockdowns were doing anything other than horrors, how did everyone already get sick?

A C Osborn
Reply to  Michael Moon
April 19, 2020 11:59 am

Do you see a real lockdown?
Are there no people going shopping without Face Masks, Glasses and Gloves?
Have they stopped anyone flying between cities with and without high levels?
Stopped public transport?
This is nothing like true Quarantine.

Garland Lowe
April 18, 2020 9:09 pm

Mr. Monckton, what info are you using to state Trump did not act early. I agree there was a some caution on shutting down the country, but he was early on restricting incoming flights. Taiwan had the scoop and the WHO screwed the world.

Greg
Reply to  Garland Lowe
April 19, 2020 1:02 am

He’s started reading the Guardian.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Garland Lowe
April 19, 2020 7:00 am

“Mr. Monckton, what info are you using to state Trump did not act early.”

I was wondering that myself.

I, personally, don’t see how Trump could have acted much sooner than he did given the information available. I would be very interested in what Mr. Monckton thinks he could have done sooner or better.

Trump was early with a travel ban from China and Europe, and was much criticized for it, and if he had waited even a couple of weeks later, the whole United States would be looking like New York City right now, and we would be very far from opening up our economy again..

Tim Bidie
April 18, 2020 11:23 pm

What we do know, regarding mortality, is that Europe is in a better position at this point in 2020 than it was at a similar point in 2017 and Britain is in a better position than it was in 2018, both overall and regarding mortality from respiratory diseases.

Simple observation bears this out. Denmark is moving towards the Swedish more laissez faire response rather than the other way around. In Britain overflow hospitals lie almost empty; at least one, fitted out, is not even opened. Epidemiologists line up to condemn the lockdown response……

In fact we have known for almost 20 years that certain coronaviruses and rhinoviruses responsible for the common cold are more deadly than influenza to the aged, but relatively harmless to the able bodied.

So it’s not exactly taking a wild stab in the dark to determine what we should do next, is it?

April 18, 2020 11:37 pm

Plans are already being made to force everyone to receive a vaccination which will include a microchip courtesy of Billionaire Bill Gates, and NOBODY will be allowed to travel, work, buy anything, use public transportation, well, even enter the public square, etc., unless he shows his vaccination card…..JUDE! Will we also get to wear a YELLOW STAR with a number on it, too?

Ahem
April 18, 2020 11:40 pm

If we don’t know if people who have had the disease become immune, then how is a vaccine going to work? Do vaccines not work by stimulating the adaptive immune system, and is there any precedent for a vaccine that provides immunity where the adaptive immune system does not?

SAMURAI
April 19, 2020 12:18 am

I think we’ll see that the Sweden model was correct.

Sweden’s initial Wuhan flu deaths may be slightly higher than other nations who opted for economic lockdown, however, during the next flu season, Sweden’s death toll will likely be lower because they’re approaching the 50% herd immunity threshold quicker, because the speed of infection slows down logarithmically the closer a population approaches herd immunity until it’s almost zero.

Moreover, the longer it takes a population to reach herd immunity, the more viral mutations occur, which, ironically, may be very disadvantageous, and could even make a future vaccine less effective because of many mutations may be impervious to the vaccine.

I certainly hope the Wuhan flu vaccine currently being tested is effective, and it’s very smart labs are already producing millions vaccine doses even before the final test results are in..

ferdberple
April 19, 2020 12:38 am

immunity among those who have recovered cannot be taken for granted
========/
Weasel words. Because it is a new virus you can’t take anything for granted. However you can be sure of one thing. If you don’t get immunity then we are highly unlikely to see an effective vaccine in the future.

We don’t have vaccines for aids, malaria, dengue for a similar reason.

Coeur de Lion
April 19, 2020 1:28 am

Worldometer shows UK to be the only major country not to supply ‘recovered’ figures. Why hasn’t the question been asked at the daily No 10 briefings? And the summation of the ‘daily deaths’ question? Oh, I know. It’s because our journalists are recruited from the ‘jobs’ pages of the Guardian and are lefty Arts graduates.

April 19, 2020 1:30 am

Russia is experiencing a rapid increase in its daily new cases. They just posted today’s count at 6,060 new cases. Yesterday was 4,800, the day before was 4,000. Moscow has been surrounded by cold air for most of the last 3+ months. … https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/850hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=37.17,68.01,917/loc=27.542,55.644

Vincent Causey
Reply to  goldminor
April 19, 2020 8:14 am

Interesting about the cold air. I wonder how the southern city of Rostov-on-Don fares. Very hot there in summer.

Rod Evans
April 19, 2020 2:05 am

We still do not have a reliable antibody test for Sars cov 2 aka Covid 19 test. What would be the point of injecting people with a vaccine should one arrive, if that person had already had the Covid 19 virus? Testing the population is a necessary step to establish the position of the virus in the community and to establish the actual risk this virus presents.
Why is this obvious step being delayed, or put to the back of the research agenda?

Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 4:28 am

What I’m curious about is the growth of new cases, f.e.Germany under the conditions mentioned in the linked articel. (“Severe outbreaks of the infection were always a result of people being closer together over a longer period of time, for example the après- ski parties in Ischgl, Austria.” He could also not find any evidence of ‘living’ viruses on surfaces. “When we took samples from door handles, phones or toilets it has not been possible to cultivate the virus in the laboratory on the basis of these swabs….””)
So it seems, there must be a lot of “no social distancing”. What I see in shops, streets, places, SD generally seems to work…

A C Osborn
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 4:28 am

Interesting, a total contradiction of all the other research carried out.
Especially from South Korea.
According to him 738,923 people in the USA and about the same in Europe all went to close encounter meetings.

Reply to  A C Osborn
April 19, 2020 4:35 am

Italy had a spreading football game, as Germany may have had too just before March 16, start of German “locdown”.

John Finn
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 19, 2020 4:57 am

Belarus still have a full league programme. These are the results from yesterday.

https://www.scorespro.com/soccer/belarus/

The President of Belarus believes vodka & regular saunas will ward off the virus (he may have a point about the saunas). No events have been cancelled and life is carrying on as normal.

GregK
Reply to  John Finn
April 19, 2020 7:33 am

And the curve for Belarus is heading up to the right despite tractors, vodka and saunas

PaulH
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 19, 2020 7:22 am

I might include Spain as well. This March 8 report says “thousands” participated in the women’s day march:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-womens-day-spain/thousands-march-in-spain-on-womens-day-despite-coronavirus-fears-idUSKBN20V0ZJ

“Thousands of women across Spain marched on Sunday against gender inequality to mark International Women’s Day, despite concerns the gatherings could help the spread of coronavirus.”

The concerns were evident, but ignored, and Spain has one of the highest case-counts. I’m not saying the march is a main source, but it’s one more piece of information.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 19, 2020 1:07 pm

Here is the story which trumps all of the others, Italy’s National hug-a-Chinese Day on Feb 1st, … https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/the-pursuit-of-happiness/content/2020-03-20-on-february-1st-florence-italy-celebrated-hug-a-chinese-day/

Here is the visual of the above story, a real liberal type of heart warming gesture of shared humanity, … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMdg4morQs

Reply to  A C Osborn
April 19, 2020 4:59 am

So we have to conclude a high number of undiscoverd infected, no idea if the 15% are realistic.

Ron
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 6:20 am

The German study has the same flaws as the one from California. We will not know the real spread of the virus until late of May at best.

Other groups are still validating available test kits to figure out their reliability. That is the reasonable way of doing things.

Prof. Streeck is just pushing and stressing the data to back up the policy of the federal state prime minister Armin Laschet who is in favor of an early end of the lockdown and sponsored the study. I thought the problem of agenda-driven science would be readily recognized on this site.

richard
April 19, 2020 3:09 am

“The three week rise is fairly typical for these type of viral outbreaks. The graph below is for the 1918-1919 Spanish Flu, which globally killed five hundred times as many people as COVID-19, most of whom were at prime of life in their teens, 20s and 30s. The Spanish Flu also showed a three week exponential rise, followed by a sharp decline. But three weeks into the outbreak, people probably assumed it was going to kill everybody”

https://realclimatescience.com/2020/04/things-are-going-to-get-better/

Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 3:37 am
Ron
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 5:59 am

Yeah, lockdowns do not work…

New York City closed all bars and restaurants on March 16th. Rt before above 4, Rt now below 1. But that is just a coincidence… of course.

Ahem
April 19, 2020 4:05 am

“We’ve never made a successful vaccine for a coronavirus before. This is why it’s so difficult

Despite your upper respiratory tract feeling very much like it’s inside your body, it’s effectively considered an external surface for the purposes of immunisation.

It’s a bit like trying to get a vaccine to kill a virus on the surface of your skin.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

Ron
Reply to  Ahem
April 19, 2020 6:25 am

There is a vaccine for SARS that proved functional in animal models IIRC. It was just never pushed further than clinical phase I because there was essentially no market. After clinical phase I drug development gets really expensive.

Reply to  Ahem
April 19, 2020 9:06 am

“…it’s effectively considered an external surface for the purposes of immunisation.”

Whoever would consider it to be is likely very poorly informed.
The epithelial tissues within our body are nothing at all like the surface of our skin (which BTW has antimicrobial substances on and in it).

For one thing, vaccines do not, and are not meant to, kill viruses.
They prime our immune system to do so.
And our immune system perfuses all of our tissues and cells.
The immune system can be generally subdivided into two parts, known as the innate immune system, and the adaptive (or acquired) immune system.
Each of these are composed of at least two distinct components, humoral immunity and cell-mediated immunity.
Humoral immunity consists of molecules which exist in our bloodstream and perfused throughout the tissues of our bodies. Although many people might think of the acquired portion of humoral immunity to consists only of antibodies, this is not the case. There are also antimicrobial peptides and compliment proteins, among other substances.

But just to get back to the original assertion, it seems to be based on a misunderstanding of the complexity of our immune system and it’s ubiquity throughout of bodily fluids and tissues.
Only a very small percentage of our immune cells and molecules are found in our blood stream.
The vast majority, usually over 95%, resides in tissues, interstitial spaces, and such surfaces as our epithelial membranes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2810155/

Some of our most valuable and effective vaccines are against pathogens that often cause respiratory infections.
These include the pneumococcal vaccines, influenza vaccines (yeah yeah, some people think they don’t work, but a look at the numbers says otherwise), and those for such diseases as Haemophilus influenzae type B, Bordetella pertussis, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, and measles virus (Yes, measles can cause respiratory infections and even pneumonia, and the first symptom of measles is often a runny nose, as it is an airborne disease spread by coughs and sneezes, although many might think of it as a skin disease.)

Vuk
April 19, 2020 6:59 am

The UK’s Covid-19 today’s (Sunday) update:
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/UK-COVID-19.htm

Mark Gobell
Reply to  Vuk
April 19, 2020 7:22 am

Thank you Vuk.

MG

JohnM
Reply to  Vuk
April 19, 2020 8:20 am

Hospitalised deaths showing the usual weekend drop….and probably another drop tomorrow…..followed by Tuesday catching-up.
#weekend_staffing_levels_low

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

suffolkboy
Reply to  Vuk
April 19, 2020 12:29 pm

Could you plot the following curve in that graph? (It’s Farr’s Law applied to the red Hospitalisations data, based on the peak daily rate occurring around 11th April)
Hospitalisations=80000×(1+erf((d-“11th April”)/15.7))
For example
05/03 27/03 11/04 20/04 27/04 01/05 ∞
69 14132 80000 126597 148039 154271 160000

ren
April 19, 2020 7:13 am

Gilead Sciences, Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced results from a cohort analysis of 53 patients hospitalized with severe complications of COVID-19 who were treated with the investigational antiviral remdesivir on an individual compassionate use basis. The majority of patients in this international cohort demonstrated clinical improvement and no new safety signals were identified with remdesivir treatment. Compassionate use data have limitations and multiple Phase 3 studies are ongoing to determine the safety and efficacy of remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19. The detailed results of this analysis were published today in The New England Journal of Medicine.
https://www.physiciansweekly.com/compassionate-use-of-remdesivir-for-patients-with-severe-covid-19/
I’ve heard the statement of the patient to whom the fever dropped after the first dose.

ren
Reply to  ren
April 19, 2020 7:21 am

Remdesivir was administered by intravenous drip.

Reply to  ren
April 19, 2020 7:47 am

This data was published on April 10th in NEJM, not today.

ren
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
April 19, 2020 8:16 am

Today I heard a direct account of a cured patient of Polish descent.

William Astley
April 19, 2020 7:41 am

Sure, isolation works. But at what cost? Our countries are going broke.

What we need is a microbiological solution.

A solution that enables people to go to football games, movie theatres, and so on without fear …

There are two strategies…

1) Improve the average immune response of the population. We are Vitamin D and Zinc deficient.

The Vitamin D deficiency explains why dark skin people who make up 14% of London’s population account for 43% of the serious covid cases. Same problem in the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/race-and-blame/609946/

This chart summarizes 20 years of research concerning the general populations Vitamin D deficiency.

The Elderly are particularly Vitamin D deficiency.

https://www.grassrootshealth.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/disease-incidence-prev-chart-051317.pdf

https://www.grassrootshealth.net/document/cancer-risk/

https://www.grassrootshealth.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/McDonnell-2018-breast-cancer-GRH.pdf

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/12/health/black-americans-hiv-coronavirus-blake/index.html

A Washington Post analysis An Associated Press analysis of available death data found that black people constituted 42 percent of the victims, doubling their share of the populations of the states the analysis included. In Louisiana, more than 70 percent of the people who have died so far from COVID-19 were black, more than twice their 32 percent share of the state’s population, and well above the 60 percent share of the population of New Orleans, where the outbreak is worst. In New York, African Americans comprise 9 percent of the state population and 17 percent of the deaths.

April 19, 2020 7:46 am

Lord Monckton, in the above article, states: “Perhaps the most important question to which we do not yet have an answer is whether those who have recovered [from] the infection are or will remain immune.”

While this is very true, I would add that an equally-important, parallel question is: “Will the current COVID-19 strain(s) mutate at a rate that is sufficiently high, while remaining equally lethal, such that any currently acquired immunity becomes useless, say, one year from now?”

This would be along the lines of what can occur with the “normal” flu from one year to the next.

JohnM
Reply to  Gordon Dressler
April 19, 2020 8:42 am

“BOSTON — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now “actively looking into” results from universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.

The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.
Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms”

https://www.boston25news.com/news/cdc-reviewing-stunning-universal-testing-results-boston-homeless-shelter/Z253TFBO6RG4HCUAARBO4YWO64/

Scissor
Reply to  JohnM
April 19, 2020 9:12 am

Lots of questions.

What exactly is going on? Are these tests garbage? What’s it like in other big cities? Might allowing homeless people to set up tents all over be a bad thing?

Reply to  JohnM
April 19, 2020 7:04 pm

Your last sentence above the link begs this question: were the 146 who tested positively for COVID-19 so recently infected that they had not yet had time to develop symptoms?

My understanding is that it can take up to 14 days to develop symptoms after the virus invades one’s body . . . here the “standard” of calling for 14 day isolation for those who are even suspected of being exposed to the virus.

astonerii
April 19, 2020 8:09 am

I got an interesting tip when I asked for all causes death information. euromomo.eu. If you go there it shows number of deaths from 2016 thru present.
An interesting things comes into focus. New years 2017 has a spike as tall and wider than we one we have for present. 2018 there is a 12 week long spike that has significantly more deaths than present indicates we will have.
All this economic destruction for what will come out to be something barely worse than a bad flu season.
When this is all over, Christopher Monckton’s name should be permanently carved into the wall of shame. He may have had some utility in the Global Warming wars.
Joke:
A backpacker is traveling through Ireland when it starts to rain. He decides to wait out the storm in a nearby pub. The only other person at the bar is an older man staring at his drink. After a few moments of silence the man turns to the backpacker and says in a thick Irish accent:

“You see this bar? I built this bar with my own bare hands. I cut down every tree and made the lumber myself. I toiled away through the wind and cold, but do they call me McGreggor the bar builder? No.”

He continued “Do you see that stone wall out there? I built that wall with my own bare hands. I found every stone and placed them just right through the rain and the mud, but do they call me McGreggor the wall builder? No.”

“Do ya see that pier out there on the lake? I built that pier with my own bare hands, driving each piling deep into ground so that it would last a lifetime. Do they call me McGreggor the pier builder? No.”

“But ya get caught with a goat…”

Scissor
Reply to  astonerii
April 19, 2020 8:52 am

That joke totally wouldn’t work in Pakistan.

Ron
Reply to  astonerii
April 19, 2020 10:14 am


You are aware that you completely misinterpret the data from euromomo.eu ?

Excess mortality in Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium, Switzerland, Netherlands and, yes, Sweden as well is way above any previous year listed.

You should also be aware that the newest data always reports too low since there is a lack in collecting the data. The data is adjusted accordingly at a later time. Therefore it’s not possible to say if the phase of excess mortality is over or not and how big the spike will become or not. We need to wait and see.

Bruser
Reply to  Ron
April 19, 2020 3:57 pm

What is interesting from the EuroMOMO.eu graphs is that the 2019-2020 winter deaths were appreciably lower than the previous few years. Does this indicate fewer deaths from winter ailments resulting in an increased number of old and vulnerable people at the start of 2020? Are those who might normally have died from the flu now dying from Covid-19?

astonerii
April 19, 2020 8:14 am

This flu is no more deadly than normal flu, in fact, probably far less deadly. Particularly when calculating out life years lost and economic losses due to those life years lost. It probably has an infection fatality ratio of just 0.02-0.08% and primarily kills the old and sick near death’s door mostly ignoring the young and the healthy.

April 19, 2020 8:14 am

Has someone an idea, why D. Raoult gets death threats ?
An investigation opened in Nantes after death threats against Professor Raoult

investigation opened after threats against Professor Raoult

There are many people outside, or even here ready to work and discuss against the Raoult treatment approach. Only TDS ?

niceguy
Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 19, 2020 2:03 pm

No TDS. Anti populism, anti “gilets jaunes”, pro centrism = extremism. Centrists are the most extremist group, they are like the extreme right of the 30ties. In fact when confronted with “far right” candidate Marine Le Pen, it’s Macron who used the typical terminologie of the extreme right (as expected by people with real culture).

Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 8:59 am

R0

calculated live for all 50 states

how well is lockdown working state by state.

https://rt.live/

https://github.com/k-sys/covid-19/blob/master/Realtime%20R0.ipynb

Scissor
Reply to  Steven Mosher
April 19, 2020 9:29 am

Your statement/question seems to ascribe too much to “lockdown” as a cause for the effect of R0.

There are at least several factors and “lockdown” may not even be the most important factor, say to washing hands and wearing a mask.

ren
April 19, 2020 9:25 am

Abstract:
A weakened immune system is the cause of recurrent infections. Proper diet, rich in vitamins and
trace elements, is one of the factors enhancing natural immunity. The primary vitamin used to relieve the symptoms of common cold and flu is ascorbic acid, a compound with antioxidant properties. Through reducing properties, it protects neutrophils, limphocytes and macrophags against reactive oxygen species (ROS), increasing the immunity. Zinc is a micronutrient with a key role for the proper function of the immune system.
This trace element is a necessary factor for the production of thymus hormones, maturation of lymphocytes, and stabilization of cell membranes, allowing the phagocytosis. This article presents an overview of the scientific literature on the role of vitamin C and zinc in supporting the immune system.
http://www.liposhell.pl/images/pdf/3._Zieli%C5%84ska_-_rola_witaminy_C_i_cynku_we_wspomaganiu_uk%C5%82adu_odporno%C5%9Bciowego.pdf

ren
Reply to  ren
April 19, 2020 9:37 am

Abstract
The serum thymic factor (FTS) utilized in its synthetic or natural form loses its biological activity in a rosette assay after treatment with a metal ion-chelating agent, Chelex 100. This activity is restored by the addition of Zn salts and, to a lesser extent, certain other metal salts. FTS activation is secondary to the binding of the metal to the peptide. The metal-to-peptide molar ratio of 1:1 provides the best activation. These data indicate the existence of two forms of FTS. The first one lacks Zn and is biologically inactive; the second one contains Zn and is biologically active, for which we propose the name of “thymulin” (FTS-Zn). The presence of Zn in synthetic FTS was confirmed by atomic absorption spectrometry. The interaction between Zn and FTS was further suggested by microanalysis demonstrating the presence of this metal in thymic reticuloepithelial cells.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC346898/

William Astley
Reply to  ren
April 19, 2020 11:10 am

There is in vitro peer reviewed data that Zinc supplements plus a small amount of Zinc ionophore stops the covid-19 from replicating.

Option 1: Zinc Supplements Only
The Zinc supplement reduces the number of covid cases and stops the extreme immune response to covid which is the cause of many of the covid-19 deaths.

Here is additional data that shows a small amount of supplement zinc (15 mg/day, same as current maximum recommended Zinc supplement) increase the efficiency of the immune system.

…. stops the body from initiating an out of control immune response which is what kills.

Option 2: Zinc Supplements plus a Chloroquine which is a Zinc Ionophore.
The addition of a Zinc Ionosphere such as Chloroquine (15 mg/day which is half the dosage, 30 mg/day which has been prescribed for 20 years, for prevention of malaria) enables the Z+2 ion to get into our negative charged cell where makes the ACE-2 molecule slightly positive which has shown in vitro to stop the virus from replicating.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2973827/

Zn 2+ Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activity In Vitro and Zinc Ionophores Block the Replication of These Viruses in Cell Culture

Chloroquine Is a Zinc Ionophore

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/pdf/pone.0109180.pdf

Zinc deficiency linked to immune system response, particularly in older adults

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150323142839.htm

Zinc helps against infection by tapping brakes in immune response
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130207131344.htm