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Reposted from RealClearMarkets with author permission (and slightly out of date)
By Michael Fumento
April 01, 2020
The U.S. is staring at a Netflix-type apocalypse. You know, with feral animals eating human corpses, mutant plants reoccupying streets and buildings, empty restaurants and malls across the landscape….
Well, that last part is true, anyway. Not because of the disease but rather hysteria.
You’ve heard the apocalyptic claims. Imperial College in London – in a claim that would later get walked way back to far less fanfare* – estimated as many as 2.2 million U.S. deaths, depending on how drastically the population is locked down, locked out, and locked in. To reduce that figure to a “mere” 1.1 million, we would need to live a gulag life “until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more),” they said. The CDC has issued an estimate of as many as 1.7 million American deaths.
Yet with lesser measures in place now – and for a very short period – the market has crashed, we are experiencing more unemployment claims than at the height of the Great Recession, and there looms a real possibility of a worldwide depression. And there are those who say those measures aren’t nearly draconian enough.
Do we really need to destroy the country to save it?
Consider that China has had fewer than 3,300 deaths even though the virus struck a country with a lousy healthcare system wholly unaware. Their epidemic peaked over five weeks ago, with almost no new cases now. So with a vastly better health care system, the U.S. can expect a per capita death rate about 666 times higher than the Middle Kingdom? Seriously, Imperial College?
You can quit reading right there. But please don’t. The utter insanity here is worth documenting, as well as knowing why even the lower bound U.S. estimates are nonsense.
EPIDEMICS ALWAYS FLATTEN AND DECLINE ON THEIR OWN
Fact is, the epidemic worldwide, far from “growing exponentially,” is slowing. And that was to be expected per what’s called “Farr’s Law,” which dictates that all epidemics tend to rise and fall in a roughly symmetrical pattern or bell-shaped curve. AIDS, SARS, Ebola, Zika – all followed that pattern. So does seasonal flu each year. COVID-19 peaks have already been reported in China, South Korea, and Singapore.
Importantly, Farr’s Law has nothing to do with human interventions such as “social distancing” to “flatten the curve,” and indeed predates public health organizations. It occurs because communicable diseases nab the “low-hanging fruit” first (in this case the elderly with comorbid conditions), but then find subsequent fruit harder and harder to reach. Until more or less now, COVID-19 has been finding that fresh fruit in new countries, but it’s close to running out. So while many people assume that China contained its epidemic with draconian regulations, we actually have no evidence of that. Even the New York Times admitted South Korea recovered far more quickly with measures nowhere on the scale of China, although of course the Times still attributes that to human intervention, which assigning no role to Mother Nature.
When the coronavirus epidemic ends and the public health zealots inevitably slap themselves on the back for having prevented their own ridiculous scenarios, don’t buy it. This isn’t to say that thorough hand-washing several times a day and not sneezing and coughing in others’ faces won’t help: It will. But without the authoritarian and economically-devastating measures the U.S. and other countries are taking that are wrecking the world economy, there will be no Apocalypse Now or in the future. The streets are empty not because of direct effects of the disease, but from fear and from government dictates; as in a cognate of “dictatorship.”
Mind, right now we’re seeing a spike in cases because only now is testing becoming readily available in the U.S. due to a delay in the CDC developing its own assay. This availability is almost universally hailed as only good, but has at least two bad aspects.
First, we’re now picking up a lot more asymptomatic people who will be counted as “cases” just as much as people on death’s door. This will further contribute to hysteria. Second, many who test positive will suddenly develop “nocebo” symptoms; the opposite of placebo. As I observed long ago, nocebo symptoms come from the mind but can be very real. They definitely can mimic COVID-19 symptoms. It’s a good guess that hospitals are seeing their share of the “worried well,” people who were feeling pretty well before they tested positive and suddenly truly feel deathly ill. And they’re not the only ones suffering as a result. This adds to the burden on severely stressed hospital workers already overwhelmed with patients whose symptoms do result from COVID-19—or from the many other ailments and injuries that haven’t stopped afflicting people while our attention is focused on this particular virus.
On the positive side (no pun intended), the more you test, the lower the death rate becomes because the denominator grows faster than the numerator. Rather than the 3.4% rate the WHO put out, the current crude U.S. death rate is ABOUT 1.6% and will probably drop to less than half that as we’ve seen so far in South Korea at 0.6%. Then as testing continues, the rate will drop even further. For the Imperial College figure to be correct, U.S. deaths would have to be 0.66 percent and every American would need to be infected.
THE ITALIAN JOB
So how many deaths can the U.S. reasonably expect? If it’s not the Chinese model, it appears to be the Italian one. At the least, the media tell us, “Italy’s Coronavirus Crisis Could Be America’s.” Really?
That country so far has had over 7,500 deaths out of a population of 50 million, but it appears cases peaked on March 21.
Still, at this point that’s a stunning 9.5% crude death rate, by far the highest death percentage in the world. Which of course is why the media choose to focus on it, rather than other countries such as Germany with only about 240 deaths out of a much larger population.
But why is this happening in Italy? Partly it’s because Italy just doesn’t have a particularly good health care system. Even more specifically, last year the Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security ranked the U.S.the best-prepared country in the world to handle a pandemic in late 2019, whereas Italy came in at only 31 – below Mexico.
As Forbes recently noted, U.S. hospitals have vastly more critical care beds than Italy, which in turn has more than South Korea. And you don’t even want to hear about China. Not because they eat bats, but because “bed” pretty much equals “floor.”
Beyond that, Italy has the fifth oldest population in the world (whereas the U.S. ranks 61). We already knew from Chinese data that COVID-19 is overwhelmingly a killer of the old and infirm. An analysis by China’s Center for Disease Control & Prevention found that most deaths occurred in those aged 80 and over.
Further, almost all those elderly dead had “comorbid” conditions of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or hypertension. Similarly, almost everyone who has died in Italy has been over age 70, and virtually all had comorbid conditions: In fact, half of those who died had three or more. Almost nobody under 50 has succumbed and almost all who have also had serious existing medical conditions. This is a condemnation of the nation’s health care system; not a portent of America’s future.
And it appears a major factor may be how cases are recorded, which makes the assumption that dying from COVID-19 is the same as dying with it. Given the strong overlap between the population susceptible to flu and COVID-19, it’s certain that many who actually succumbed to flu are marked as coronavirus cases. We can expect that in the U.S. as well.
IF IT’S NOT THE HEAT, IT’S THE HUMIDITY
Yet another U.S. advantage is that the epidemic hit it later than Italy (and Asia, of course) and spring is in the air. Respiratory viruses usually hate warm, moist, sunny weather. Hence flu arrives in the U.S. in the fall and disappears by April or May. We know the “common cold” is rare in summer and many colds are caused by four different coronaviruses.
SARS was a coronavirus and simply died out between April and July, 2003. The media and public health officials desperately want you to think this coronavirus is different, but the evidence so far is that it follows the usual pattern with scientific publications such as “High Temperature and High Humidity Reduce the Transmission of COVID-19.”
The media and public health alarmists also cite MERS-CoV as an exception, but there’s evidence that it is also complains: “If it’s not the damned heat, it’s the humidity!” This year, the flu peaked in February. So it’s possible that even now weather is affecting U.S. coronavirus spread. Will it come back in autumn? Probably. But by then many in the population will have had exposure immunity, hospitals will be better prepared, the worried well problem will be reduced because it will no longer be a “new” virus, and we’ll have time to see if anything in our arsenal of antivirals and other medicines is truly effective. (No, there will be no vaccine available.)
Meanwhile, we apparently have a new definition for “American exceptionalism.” Ignore what’s happening in the entire rest of the world; ignore epidemiology; ignore virology; ignore common sense; ignore history. America, as Johnny Cash sang: “God’s Gonna Cut You Down.” Just as SARS was supposed to (it killed zero Americans) and just as forecasters (seriously) predicted more American AIDS deaths than there were Americans.
Meanwhile, the harsh measures encompassing much of the country are simply unproven – beyond knowing that hermits don’t get contagious diseases. South Korea didn’t need them and Sweden hasn’t used them even as its neighbor Norway has been praised for early implementation. For its efforts, Norway has reported over twice as many cases per capita and suddenly suffers its highest unemployment rate in 80 years.
But as always we follow the dictates of the public health zealots, the media and power-hungry pols. Shame on us that after all these years we are once again ignoring reality for the dubious benefits of hysteria.
*Note: As this article was being written, Neil Ferguson, the head of the Imperial College study, simply threw his model away. Along with the U.S. one of 2.2 million deaths, he predicted the U.K. would have as many as 510,000 deaths. In an oral presentation he reduced the U.K figure slightly… to 20,000. So the model that launched a thousand articles wasn’t worth anything more than the pixels it appeared with.
Michael Fumento is an attorney, author, and journalist who has been documenting epidemic hysterias for 35 years.
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“Normal” deaths seem to be something statistics don’t exist for at present; without the stats of normal baseline death rate and cause by city, county, or state the “death rate” from COVID-19 is without context. Unfortunately the majority of Americans being innumerate, don’t realize that. This is a crash course in statistics for people who can’t balance their checkbook, which is why the media is able to create/exploit mass hysteria to the hilt.
I have to disagree that not wanting to get really sick and possibly dying is hysteria.
Millions thinking they are about to die of climate change is hysteria.
Not wanting to get very sick and maybe die, it seems to me, is as rational as it gets.
Are you volunteering in a COVID ward to no PPE?
That possibility follows you every time you step out the door of your house and every moment you are alive. What’s different now? Fear and hysteria.
Brave talk.
Judging by the amount of time you are spending here commenting, I’d bet you are at home cowering like a frightened kitten.
You sound like you envy my lack of fear.
Oh, man…I am so busted!
No, I’m cussing out the joggers who insist on getting within 75 feet of me. I don’t want to catch this, believe me. But I also don’t want my business destroyed by a decade-long depression that ultimately accomplishes nothing but delaying herd immunity.
I think you are right about the media…they are all in on political advantage and could not care less about facts…unless they think facts are bad for Trump.
I suppose people jamming into stores to buy three years worth of toilet paper they do not need may have been verging on some sort of hysteria…or maybe it was just watching stores shelves empty of stuff and considering the prospect on no toilet paper.
Clearly we are not in some Venezuela-like situation where the deliveries will stop coming.
I would bet anything everybody that makes paper towels and T.P. in the country is running flat out if they have their supply lines open.
At some point everyone will have all of their closet space full up and there will once against be nine foot tall stacks of it in every Costco in the country.
I am not really seeing anything like hysteria…exasperation maybe.
I am thinking about what is motivating me to have made any changes I have made, and extrapolated that out to the rest of the world.
On top of that a lot of people in charge of businesses and schools and sports and stuff…decided they do not want to be responsible for people getting sick and some of them dying.
My perception is that is was like a rolling wave of people giving each other permission to close up shop for a while
Then some people were posted on social media saying the equivalent of the old Daffy Duck line “Consequences schmonsequences! I no care about no stinkin’ virus!”
And at that point some government leaders were pressured to not let a few people flout what had somehow become a new social more’…people are going out of their way to not get sick, and here come some people literally saying they will spread the virus if they damn well please, thank you very much.
Or words to that effect.
I do not think anyone really caused this to happen like in China…I think it was much more a case of everyone deciding that they themselves really did not feel like spinning the roulette wheel…and the idea sort of crystallized over time, more than all at once.
The numbers and percentages used by this author look nothing like what I see when I look at the world meter site:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
It lists Italy as 135,586 cases and over 17,000 deaths.
That appears to be far higher than 9.5%.
And a long list of countries have a proportion of deaths to total cases near or above 10%.
Spain, 146,000+ cases, 14,500+ deaths.
France, 109,000+ cases, over 10,000 deaths
UK, over 55,000 cases, over 6100 deaths
Belgium, 23,400+, 2240
The article reports a crude death rate in the US is 1.9%, and includes a link to the CDC site.
That page has numbers that appear out of date, but even so, the 374,000+ cases and 12,000+ deaths looks to
be a lot higher than 1.9%.
Using those numbers gives a rate of 3.22%.
And what is up with using China’s numbers to make a point?
No one believes the numbers out of China.
What is the point of making a point with erroneous numbers?
And besides for the deaths, a far larger number of people are getting very sick and needing to be treated in a hospital, many of them in an ICU, and many of them for many weeks.
Leaving out that part of it is ignoring a large part of what makes this a different thing than we have seen in our lifetimes.
I wish people would stop saying the peak of the whole thing has passed.
Because every time someone says that, the next day has the highest number of deaths yet.
Yesterday a long list of countries had a number of deaths far higher than any day yet.
The numbers of people that are critical keeps getting higher too.
And I have no idea where talk of panic is coming from.
People are concerned, and do not feel like getting what may turn into a case of viral pneumonia.
80% of people that get it have absent to mildish and moderate symptoms.
No one cares about that.
And no one thinks they are at risk if they get it because a lot of very old and very sick people are dying if they get it.
People think they are at risk because a lot of people of all ages (except the very youngest, but even some of them get sick and a few die) are winding up in a hospital and many of those hospitalized people wind up in an ICU with a severe case of viral pneumonia.
No one wants to get viral pneumonia…that is my best idea of why so many people are taking this very seriously.
80% have either not much or what amounts to a bad cold or flu.
But another 10-20% need to be hospitalized.
And a substantial percentage of them wind up in an ICU.
Healthy people are surviving, mostly.
But no one feels like spinning that roulette wheel.
Because no one knows ahead of time who will just get a dry cough for a few days, and who will wind up on a respirator for a few weeks.
Any analysis that ignores that obvious fact is not a very good one, IMO.
People were self isolating before anyone told them to.
And entire sports leagues, amusement parks, airline routes, concerts and movie theaters shut their door before anyone announced any compulsory measures or lock downs.
The roads are empty in states with no lockdowns, and were empty in the ones that have lockdowns before the lockdowns.
All the pooh-poohing in the world, a million authors saying this is no big deal, a gazillion people saying no one should panic…will not change the perception of people who do not want to spin a roulette wheel with their health and their life on the line.
Who would eat a jelly bean from a jar if one or two or three out of a hundred of them will kill you, and another 10-20 out of every hundred will make you sick enough for a trip to a hospital?
The only thing that will change how people are reacting, IMO, is when they no longer have a perception of danger.
People die anyway, for sure.
But mostly they never see it coming, even in the very old and frail.
People will eat from a jar of jelly beans if no one knows a few of them are deadly, but no one will eat any if they even have a strong suspicion that some of them are deadly.
The prospect of dying has a way of focusing people’s attention.
At this point, I am sure enough people are paying attention to health and safety than deaths rates will almost surely fall.
I will be looking closely at the UK national monthly death numbers overall, as confirmed by the ONS. At the moment in the UK the death rates this winter have been below the five year average and that happy position has not changed despite the hype associated with Covid 19. If Covid 19 is raising the death rate, it will eventually show in the stats. All other chatter about the deaths from Covid being a pandemic is just that, chatter. The tests to differentiate between existing corona virus in the population and Covid 19 still needs to be demonstrated. At the moment there is no incentive for the system of reporting to be specific about which corona virus is within the patient, nor is there any driver to split out those who died with a corona virus at the time of death and those who died because of that virus. Ultimately, it doesn’t really matter because the annual death rate stats will tell us if this period is unusual or not. The national rates of death will reveal if we have had a pandemic or not.
How many annual death rate stats before now have a period of time in which almost no one is going outside?
In any case, I suspect that like everyone else, people in charge of keeping statistics are not at their desks conducting business as usual at the moment.
I am mystified why some people are ignoring these two things that to me are blindingly obvious.
“I am mystified why some people are ignoring these two things that to me are blindingly obvious.”
The Wuhan virus minimizers are desperate for an argument to open up the economy, therefore they try to downplay the danger by selectively ignoring some of the facts.
“we would need to live a gulag life”
Yes, you must.
China lived two months “gulag life”
“The CDC has issued an estimate of as many as 1.7 million American deaths.”
They did not Issue this as an estimate
Fake news, here at WUWT
Did you even read the link?
“The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.
The CDC’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.
Between 160 million and 214 million people in in the US could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die……
The CDC-led effort is developing more sophisticated models showing how interventions might decrease the worst-case numbers, though their projections have not been made public…..
“When people change their behavior,” said Lauren Gardner, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Whiting School of Engineering who models epidemics, “those model parameters are no longer applicable,” so short-term forecasts are likely to be more accurate. “There is a lot of room for improvement if we act appropriately.”
“The Times obtained screenshots of the CDC presentation, which has not been released publicly, from someone not involved in the meetings. The Times then verified the data with several scientists who did participate. The scenarios were marked valid until Feb. 28 but remain “roughly the same,” according to Ira Longini, co-director of the Center for Statistics and Quantitative Infectious Diseases at the University of Florida. He has joined in meetings of the group.
The CDC declined interview requests about the modeling effort and referred a request for comment to the White House Coronavirus Task Force. Devin O’Malley, a spokesman for the task force, said that senior health officials had not presented the findings to the group, led by Vice President Mike Pence, and that nobody in Pence’s office “has seen or been briefed on these models.”
so, 4 groups were invited to give worst case scenarios. The scenarios were never shown to Pence.
The NYT copped a look at unreleased scenarios.
Not the CDC
Not Released.
We wanted to go to Sam’s Club this morning and noticed Sam’s employee’s apparently monitoring who enters and exits the store.
I inquired as to the reason and advised that they were only allowing 75 persons at a time into the store because of social distancing.
We also noticed a long line of more than 100 potential customers waiting to enter. The astonishing point is that they were standing within 1 to 2 feet of each other, the line was very reminiscent of a high school cafeteria lunch line or the bread lines in the old Soviet Union.
If Sam’s Club is so anxious to enforce social distancing why where they jeopardizing people, requiring them to stand in a line next to each another?
We drove away and found a store that welcomes business and commerce.
They should have someone enforcing a distancing in the line, and in fact no one should need to be told this.
Probably they are going to have to paint some lines of six foot long boxes on the sidewalks.
I would not wait in that line either, but what I would do is go back late evening or first thing in the morning.
Have you considered calling the store and talking to the manager?
They are trying to keep people safe, not ruin everyone’s life and their business.
From article:
“… Sweden hasn’t used [harsh measures] even as its neighbor Norway has been praised for early implementation. For its efforts, Norway has reported over twice as many cases per capita and suddenly suffers its highest unemployment rate in 80 years.”
Appreciating that this was written using data probably only up to 31st March, but the higher reports of cases per capita in Norway probably indicates better testing there than in Sweden. As far as deaths per capita go, as of Apr 8th Sweden has a rate of 68 deaths per million of population compared to 17 per million in Norway – exactly 4 times higher. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Good point,
I saw the same.
There would have been no Chernobyl if Sweden had not detected radiation at one of their own reactor sites.
Do you really think there are near zero cases in Chinese provinces outside of Hubei? Or that China could afford to stay locked down one week beyond what they did?
No, I don’t believe it. China expelled a lot of non-sympatico foreign reporters. Let those journalist back in the country and we’ll see the real situation in China, eventually.
The one good thing I hope can come from this is the world learns China is not to be trusted but needs to be contained until they reform their economy and government. The USSR fell decades ago. May Communist China meet the same fate soon.
The difference with the COVID-19 is its terrible habit of not alerting the victim, so he/she continues living as normal all the while sprayig the environment with viruses. Korea semed to have eveyone under mask, which had the very positive benefit of supppressing large amounts of virusess in the environment. It those who have the virus that need to be masked, and since there are so many who don’t know they are a victim, everyone has to wear a mask. Apparently its only during the initial stages when the infected sprays large amounts of viruses into the environment. It is said that 60 % of those infected were infected by an asymptomatic carrier. THOSE are the most important folks to have masks. Unfortunately we did not have enough maslks and no one thought of having people cober their mouth and nose, the means by which the viruses are expelled into the environment. Note that the U.S. accounts for roughly a third of the “cases but only accounts for an eighth of the deaths, which means both that 1) number of cases is wildly inaccurate and or 2) theh U.S. healthcare system saves a lot more lives than the healthcare systems of other countries.
I can’t remember what the last expert quoted said the purpose of the mask is (for the general public). Some say it is to keep from infecting others. Some say it is to keep us from being protected. Another said the masks are so we don’t touch our face when we’re out.
No reason all 3 can’t be true.
I think the masks have a reasonably high effectiveness for protecting others. They are less well suited for self protection, but they provide some protection. (There is a lot of confusion/conflation/obfuscation around what is possible and what is probable. I.e. practical concerns versus theoretical concerns.) And lastly they might help some people avoid face touching.
A mask that limits the probability of self infection by 50% is not highly effective at the individual level, but it should impact overall spread significantly. There’s a lot of crashes a seat belt does little good in, but we don’t consider them useless since they do not approach a 100% rate for protection.
And we never say: seat belts might encourage reckless driving.
Noe of Neil Ferguson’s predictions have been correct.
Here in Alberta we have a population of 3 million. We’ve had 26 deaths so far. Yet somehow they are predicting up to 6,600 deaths if we do nothing. That’s 300 hundred times more than we have right now. It doesn’t make any sense at all. At 26 deaths a day, it would take almost a year to reach that total. And we’ve had 26 in six weeks.
Alberta’s population is closer to 4.4 million.
The lockdown is and was silly. Given the data I, myself, being 76 and wanting to be 77 would be self-isolating anyway.
If a younger person, knowing that they only have a 1 in 100 chance of dying if they get it may well decide money to feed the family is important enough to take the risk. The spring-breakers would have even less chance of dying.
And, if grandpa doesn’t want you to visit for a month then don’t.
Publish all the data and all the differing opinions of epidemiologists and ER physicians and let us decide.
Yes, there will be stupid people. You can’t fix stupidity. Perhaps stupidity could be deadly, but then it always was.
It does seem smarter to protect the vulnerable rather than punish everyone. But that would make too much sense.
I think we asked way too much of our young people and I am sorry they are having to forego so much. Especially high school and college kids. There’s a lot there will never be made up.
I’ve been saying for the last 9 years that there is no justification for me, and people like me, to have to commute into some drab downtown office every day to do our work. We come into our office and login to a PC. From there, we remote into a VM desktop being run on some blade servers in a data center that’s some 60 km away. That data center sits on an internet backbone pipe – really big bandwidth. It wouldn’t matter if it were 6,000 km away. From this remote VM desktop, we administer a web site being run in that same data center. Why must we spend 2-4 hours a day commuting to an office we don’t want to go to in a city we don’t want to go to in order to remote into a data center to administer a web site – all of which we can do just fine, and just as securely, from our home offices?
If anything good comes out of this, I hope it’s the realization that we don’t have to be there to be there.
“Consider that China has had fewer than 3,300 deaths ”
Anyone capable of skeptical thinking and can understand statistics knows that China is fabricating their numbers. Comparing what is happening in the U.S. to China completely ruins any credibility your argument might have had.
In the period where there was almost a complete lack of good data, health officials *have* to error on the side of safety – they can’t just shrug and say “oops, my bad”. Your easy-chair quarter backing after the fact is rather pointless. Yes the disease will follow a predictable curve, but one does not not the height of the curve until after it starts to flatten. One can stretch the curve out reducing the peak – this isn’t a fabrication, its based on science.
The idea to slow the infection down was a sound decision given what they knew at the time. New York could have been much, much worse off. I am not happy about the economy either, but it *will* recover.
The point is not that we overreacted, the point is we reacted quickly with the tools we had available. Overreaction to a novel highly infectious disease can only be determined after the fact – the period when all of the “captain hindsights” come out to tell us what we should have done differently.
If anything good comes out of this experience, it should be that we are more prepared for the next time. Unlike huge asteroids striking the Earth, which *will* happen but so seldom as to make preparation very difficult, novel disease *will* spread and probably within a few decades – maybe more than once. Being prepared is what we should concentrate on now, not complaining about what is already done.
How the hell do you chose a “safe side” in any real world situation?
I am wondering…what would the death rate from this virus be if medical care was at the same level as in 1919?
When I was little, the oldest people in my extended family…Grandmom, Grand aunt, and their friends, used to use a phrase we do not hear anymore: “Put on a warmer jacket…you’ll catch your death from pneumonia!”
“You’ll catch your death from pneumonia” was a phrase I heard ten thousand times when I was a child in the 1960’s.
Because back then, anyone older than about 40 or 50 could very well remember when people used to die all the time in large numbers, if they caught pneumonia.
It just occurred to me that there are likely a set of younger people here that have no idea what it actually means to get pneumonia…they have never known anyone who has had it.
Above a certain level of damage, your lungs will never be the lungs of a healthy person.
COVID deniers seem to be taking no account of the crucial difference between this virus and when influenza kills or contributes to the death of someone who was inform or at end of life stage already.
Who was infirm!
Dang autocorrect!
All that I know is, for all of the hysteria and brouhaha, Michael Fumento has been dead-on point in his discussions of epidemics and how they extend. He, and not Dr. Fauci, was correct about the myth of heterosexual AIDS and about the actual extent of that disease. While his reliance on China’s data is not good (because there is now evidence that the Chinese covered up more than just the emergence of COVID-19, with China’s purchase – or attempted order, at least – of 200,000 body bags, and the emergence of all the urns), that does not ruin his basic point – we are not making good public policy in response to this disease.
In the meantime, Dr. Fauci should be fired. For a whole host of reasons, including his (at first) underestimating the extent of the COVID-19 threat, then for the overstatements about the possible casualties and whatever bad advice he offered about the extent to which the economy should be and has been shut down. He is much more of a political operator, a political animal in the environs of Washington, D.C. than a scientist/epidemiologist, and has been protected for too long.
bad bad post. Dangerous and wrong.
And if someone posts about the ‘myth of heterosexual AIDS’ they need to visit Africa.
And have some nice unprotected heterosexual sex.
“Leo Smith April 8, 2020 at 3:30 pm
And if someone posts about the ‘myth of heterosexual AIDS’ they need to visit Africa.”
It was no myth, I lived through that time in the 80’s. It was wayyyy over hyped though because I recall predictions that by 2000 half the planet would be dead.
Been to Africa several times and married to a Zimbabwean.
document is Guidance #3 from NVSS/CDC April 2020 : Guidance for Certifying Deaths Due to Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID–19)
9 Apr: Gateway Pundit: HUGE! MN Senator and Dr. Reveals HHS Document Coaching Him on How to Overcount COVID-19 Cases — WITH COPY OF DOCUMENT (VIDEO)
by Cristina Laila
Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.
“Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Scott Jensen said.
Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.
Dr.. Jensen said for example if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn’t have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate…
The document is here (LINK)…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-dr-reveals-hhs-document-coaching-overcount-covid-19-cases-copy-document-video/
8 Apr: Gateway Pundit: This Is Strange: Total US Deaths in March 2020 are Actually Down 15% from Average of Prior Four Years
by Jim Hoft
What is going on? After shutting down the government and killing the greatest economy in the world due to deathly estimates from specialists on the coronavirus, the data is showing that this may be one great big mistake or hoax…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/strange-total-us-deaths-march-2020-actually-15-average-prior-four-years/
there is a graph somewhere showing US pneumonia deaths plummeting in recent weeks. hope someone can find it and provide a link. would like to see similar for NY/NYC. too easy – when you have a pneumonia virus that allegedly attacks the elderly disproportionately – to shift pneumonia deaths to the COVID death stats.
also, even if you look at the 65+ group at the following link, there’s not a lot going on in Europe that hasn’t occurred in 2017, 2018:
EuroMOMO: Weekly mortality as deviations from the baseline (Z-score) for the past 4½ years in the data-providing EuroMOMO partners, in four age groups.
http://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html
this segment of The Ingraham Angle needs to go VIRAL. Birx/Fauci get called out too.
19m29s to 25m27s : Laura re Italy’s COVID numbers being only 12% of the official total. then she speaks to Dr. Scott Jensen re CDC’s guidance on COVID deaths:
Youtube: Laura Ingraham 8 Apr 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlMHPWkL2k
more from Dr. Jensen:
9 Apr: Gateway Pundit: HUGE! MN Senator and Dr. Reveals HHS Document Coaching Him on How to Overcount COVID-19 Cases — WITH COPY OF (CDC) DOCUMENT (VIDEO)
by Cristina Laila
Dr. Scott Jensen, a Minnesota physician and Republican state senator said he received a 7-page document coaching him to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus.
“Last Friday I received a 7-page document that told me if I had an 86-year-old patient that had pneumonia but was never tested for COVID-19 but some time after she came down with pneumonia we learned that she had been exposed to her son who had no symptoms but later on was identified with COVID-19, then it would be appropriate to diagnose on the death certificate COVID-19,” Dr. Scott Jensen said.
Dr. Jensen explained that this is not a normal procedure.
Dr.. Jensen said for example if the same patient had pneumonia during flu season and he didn’t have a test confirming the patient also had influenza, he would never diagnose the patient with influenza on the death certificate…
The document is here (LINK)…
As TGP reported over the weekend, the amount of Americans who are reported to have died from the Coronavirus is based on a CDC coding system that will “result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”
Dr. Birx confirmed this on Tuesday during a COVID-19 task force briefing…
Dr. Birx on Tuesday told a reporter during a Coronavirus task force briefing, “We’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality.”…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-dr-reveals-hhs-document-coaching-overcount-covid-19-cases-copy-document-video/
Regarding Italy, many do not realize that the situation is very not homogeneous; the region of Lombardia suffered the most and found its health service (health services now operate on a regional basis) overwhelmed, while others are nowhere near that point.
Details have been revealed of the why. In the early stages of the epidemic, hospitals did not isolate COVID patients properly if at all and did not have PPE for the medical personnel; a significant number of medical personnel then was infected and spread coronavirus to patients.
Still some days later, it is a matter of public record that Lombardia government deliberated that not critical elderly COVID patients should be put into retirement homes. Those that accepted saw a terrible death count among their guests.
So mismanagement of the early stages led to the elderly and sick being exposed directly to high viral loads, with catastrophic results.
Many good points raised in the article but I doubt the truth of a “lousy healthcare system” in Wuhan city and region. The SARS epidemic caused many reforms and to some degree the level of preparation was quite high compared to the West. Also the lockdown measures were more severe than most Western countries went with. There were certainly issues with quality of the care and personnel. It’s hard to quantify all of this.
All in all it seems very tricky to deduce too much from Chinese numbers and death rates. Epidemics are only understandable on the larger scales when all the data pours in. Then local, regional and national factors can be addressed. But, by then, it could be too late?
This chap is really worth listening to. From Germany Professor Doctor Sucharit Bhakdi and his open letter to Merkel.
Professor Doctor Sucharit Bhakdi Challenges the Coronavirus Crisis (English Audio read description)
https://youtu.be/cMwJQmljWTY
For the record, the current U.S. death-rate of 468,965 Covid-19 cases to 16,697 deaths is 3.60% vs. a statistically normal 31-country rate of 4.15%. On a comparative unit-basis, discounting the CDC’s egregiously flawed (and wildly variable) projections, our rudimentary “curve-straightened” (linear) model extrapolates 1.365 million U.S. cases with 48.6 thousand deaths. (CDC projects 66.8 thousand deaths, inflating attested totals by 25%.) By end-2020, results within +/- 10% of these back-of-the envelope figures will likely have have trumped rump-fed Officialdom’s gobblerones by major margins. Meantime:
Given respective Crude Death Rates (CDR) of 5.6 and 8.6 per thousand, South Korea’s co-morbidity Risk Ratio of 1.74% Covid-19 deaths to .56% Crude Deaths per million is 3.11 vs. America’s commensurate ratio of 2.67% : .855% = 3.12. Indexing these results per a statistically normal 31-country set derives proportional South Korean risk at -.284 vs. the U.S. -.281, connoting virtually identical social (as distinct from personal) levels of viral-contagion risk.
Despite wildly disparate inputs –at 50.7 : 4.1, daily U.S. Covid-19 deaths per million are 12.5 times South Korea’s– Seoul has neither trampled civil liberties via commercial/industrial (“Defense Production”) mandates, instituted lockdowns and shutdowns amounting to undeclared Martial Law, nor gutted national prosperity with fiat scrip amounting to 10% GDP “borrowed” (stolen) from unborn posterity with no prospect of any real return. In this light, despite its identical risk-profile, Seoul’s prudent Covid countermeasures are superior to DC’s rote despotic, panic-stricken –profoundly un-American– overreaction in every way.
I have heard, might not be accurate, that the Imperial College predicted 12 million deaths for Portugal… we are only 10 million … go figure.