By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
In recent weeks, behind the scenes, a battle royal has been raging among the epidemiologists advising governments. On one side are the activists, who argue that the Chinese virus is both more infectious and likely to prove more fatal than influenza, a deadly combination.
The activists’ strongest arguments are that in the early stages of a pandemic the daily growth rate is exponential; that in the absence of determined control measures a quarter of the global population would be infected by the end of May; and that continued exponential growth at the daily compound rate of almost 20% (entailing a doubling every 3.8 days) that prevailed until mid-March would rapidly overwhelm not only the hospitals but also the morgues, as has already happened in Spain and northern Italy.
On the other side are the passivists, who argue that after a few weeks in lockdown people will cease to observe the restrictions, introducing a second wave of infection. They hold that the best thing to do is let everyone become infected, let the old and the sick die, let the health services collapse, and leave the population to acquire what the lamentable Chief Officer of Health in London described at a press conference some weeks ago as “herd immunity”. The international outcry at this crass remark led the British government to backtrack at once.
I declare an interest. When it comes to preventing pandemics, I am an activist. The earlier one interferes with the exponential growth of a pathogen as infectious as the Chinese virus, the less the cost in lives and treasure. When HIV first emerged, I minuted the Cabinet to the effect that there should be universal testing, followed by immediate, compulsory and permanent isolation of carriers. No such action was taken, unfortunately. The result is that some 50 million have died of HIV, another 500,000 a year die of it, and the cost of treating those who are HIV-positive is heavy. Nearly all those deaths were preventable.
The Chinese virus is considerably more infectious and more fatal than HIV. Realizing this, the British Prime Minister, after weeks of listening to the internal wranglings between the activist and passivist public-health scientists, who were unable to agree among themselves, took a command decision to lock down the United Kingdom firmly, completely and for as long as might be necessary. He was persuaded by modeling from Imperial College, London, showing just how rapidly the National Health Service would be overwhelmed if things went on as the passivists wished. It was clear to the Prime Minister that patients suffering from diseases other than the Chinese virus would be placed at risk as the health system collapsed.
Mr Trump, who, like Mr Johnson (and me) was by instinct reluctant to subject the entire population to house arrest and to cause dislocation and damage to the economy, eventually came to a similar view. The situation is more complicated in the United States, where the individual states rather than the Federal administration are chiefly responsible for public-health measures. But in many states, as in many nations round the world, lockdowns of varying severity have been introduced. The activists have thus far prevailed.
But are the lockdowns working? A simple performance indicator, clear enough to show people whether or not the house arrest and related measures to which they are being subjected should be persisted in, is necessary. Remarkably, however, no such benchmark test is yet available. Therefore, I have been researching the statistics and propose the following test. The reference period for the test is the three weeks from January 22 to 14 March 2020, the date on which Mr Trump declared a national emergency. During the reference period, the mean compound daily growth rate in confirmed cases was 19.8%. Confirmed cases were thus doubling worldwide every 3.8 days.
To demonstrate the extent to which mitigation measures are or are not working, the benchmark test calculates the mean daily compound growth rate in confirmed cases of infection for successive seven-day periods ending on every day from March 14 to the present. Here is the test for the world excluding China and occupied Tibet (whose Communist regime cannot be trusted to tell the truth about case numbers, or about anything else much); for the United States, and for the two worst-affected European nations, Italy and Spain:

All four nations show an inexorable reduction in the daily rate of growth (though it remains dangerously high). The most impressive results are those for Italy, the first country in Europe to impose a strictish lockdown. During the reference period, the Italian growth rate was more than 30% per day, and cases were doubling every 2.6 days. But the lockdown is beginning to work. In the week to April 2, the daily growth rate in Italy was down to 5.2%. Even that is an alarming value: it would lead to a doubling of cases every two weeks. But the trend in the daily growth rate is firmly downward, and it will probably continue that way – provided, that is, that people can see, as they can from this test, that the lockdown is indeed working. In the world outside China, as more and more countries introduce lockdowns, the daily growth rate has declined from 19.8% in the reference period to 11% in the week to April 2. In the United States, the daily growth rate has declined a little, from 23.1% in the reference period to 16.2% in the week to April 1.
Here is the benchmark test for four more countries: three in Europe and one for South Korea. All four countries show declines in the daily growth rate of confirmed cases. But in South Korea the pandemic is almost under control:

The reason for the success in South Korea is that, following the SARS epidemic, the public health authorities fully understood the paramount importance of very widespread testing, immediate isolation of carriers and vigorous contact-tracing, including use of the cellphone network to identify where the carriers had been and whom they had met. The EU has picked up this idea, though the UK – in this as in much else – lags behind.
In particular, ever since the SARS epidemic the Korean public health authorities have maintained a very large testing capacity. They activated it as soon as they realized that the director of the World Health Organization, who has close links to the Peking regime and had as recently as January been parroting Chinese propaganda to the effect that the virus could not be transmitted from human to human, could not be relied upon.
Britain will be calling for an independent investigation of the WHO’s gross misconduct in this affair as soon as the pandemic is under control.
South Korea also adopted national lockdown. The public health authorities also recommend use of personal protective equipment (notably face-masks) not only by health professionals but also by the general public when outdoors. In this respect, too, the South Korean public health authorities disagree with the WHO, which has today announced it is reconsidering its notion that masks are valueless. The director of Korea’s public health authority bluntly says that the evidence that masks work is overwhelming.
Following his advice rather than that of the useless WHO, I wear a full-face motorcycle helmet and gauntlets whenever I leave our own grounds. Full-face protection is useful, according to the South Koreans, because the Chinese virus can enter the body not only through the nose and mouth but also through the mucous membranes of the eyes. Even wearing spectacles provides some measure of additional protection. As South Korea’s expert made clear in an excellent recent interview, it is necessary to obtain every advantage one can, because each additional barrier to transmission helps to bring the pandemic under control.
It is South Korea, then, that provides the clearest evidence that prompt, determined and vigorous control measures work, and work well.
Both Germany and France have done quite well in beginning to control the pandemic. Their mean daily growth rates were down from more than 30% in the benchmark period to around 10% in the week to April 2. The United Kingdom, however, had a daily growth rate of 16.4% in that week: a value scarcely better than the global 19.8% during the reference period from January 22 to March 14. The UK is the worst-performing of the 12 territories tracked here.
Germany and France both took advantage of the EU’s system for supplying both testing kits and personal protective equipment for health professionals. The UK, however, failed to respond to the EU’s email in time. Worse, British civil servants are so used to acting simply as passive agents for the Brussels tyranny-by-clerk that they were more or less completely unprepared for a pandemic, and the flapping-around is saddening to watch.
The former director of “Public Health England”, a grim but useless bureaucracy, was asked four times yesterday why it was that Germany had tested more than 500,000 of its citizens in all, while Britain had not yet managed to test 10,000 in any one day. He could not answer.
Here are benchmark tests for four more countries: Canada, Australia, Sweden and Ireland. Note that for Ireland the benchmark period is the two weeks to March 14 rather than three weeks, because Ireland began to report cases later than other countries.

From the point of view of the passivists, Sweden is the most interesting result. For its public health authorities are passivists: they have not introduced a lockdown. Yet their daily growth rate has fallen to 10%, among the lowest anywhere. Nevertheless, there is growing concern among health professionals in Sweden that the do-little option may yet prove fatal. It is possible, then, that Sweden will follow other European countries in imposing a strict lockdown in the near future. In the past ten days, other countries have seen a decline in the daily growth rate of confirmed cases, but Sweden, uniquely, has not.
Overall, the benchmark test show – at this early stage – that the lockdowns are beginning to work. The daily growth rate in confirmed cases is falling in those countries that have been locked down, and is tending to fall fastest in countries with the most determined control measures.
The next few weeks will be particularly interesting, because it is in the nature of exponential growth curves that, just as the growth is very rapid if control measures are not tough enough, the slowing of growth is just as rapid when the measures really begin to bite.
Over the next few weeks, the extent of the lockdowns’ success or failure will become evident. For this reason, I propose to update the benchmark tables daily until further notice.
It should be made clear that the benchmark test is not policy-prescriptive. It merely shows, in a dispassionate fashion based on the available data (warts and all) the extent to which control measures are or are not working, territory by territory and for the world excluding China.
Finally, the question arises whether the official data on which I have relied are trustworthy. The answer is that they are not, for the lack of widespread testing has entailed a very substantial understatement of the numbers infected.
Take the United States as an illustration. On average the Chinese virus takes five days to incubate and a further 16 days to kill those to whom it proves fatal. The least unreliable of the official statistics are those for deaths caused by the virus. On February 29 the United States reported its first death from the virus. The World Health Organization, which had originally estimated a death rate of 2% (as it had with SARS, whose death rate was actually 9.6%), now estimates it at 3.4%. In that event, 21 days previously, on February 8, there must have been 1 / 3.4%, or 29 cases. However, only five cases were reported. But if there were 29 cases on February 8, and if the growth rate for unreported cases is the same as for reported cases, the true number of cases by February 29 was not 5, as reported, but more than 2300.
Performing a similar calculation for each day until April 2 would lead us to conclude that there were not 26,500 cases of infection in total by that day, as reported by the U.S. administration, but 36 million. Curiously, if this were true it would not be all bad news. For the death rate would then be less than 0.02%, rather than the WHO’s 3.4%.
What is more, since only 6000 deaths have been reported in the U.S., the vast majority of those infected would have suffered symptoms little worse than those of the common cold and have recovered, in which event the “herd immunity” of which the British public health commissar spoke is being built up at a rapid rate.
If the death rate is only 1%, it is possible that 123 million people – more than one-third of the U.S. population – are already infected. If, however, it is 10%, as for SARS, then about 12 million U.S. citizens are infected.
What, then, is the true death rate? This early in the pandemic, the answer is that nobody really knows, even to within an order of magnitude. The standard method of obtaining a preliminary assessment of the death rate in the early stages of a pandemic is to consider the closed cases – those who, having been infected, have either recovered or died. Until April 2, 135,447 people outside China and occupied Tibet were reported as recovered from the infection, while 49,845 had died. Therefore, 185,252 had either recovered or died, and the deaths represented not 2% nor 3.4% but almost 27% of all these closed cases. I have not seen that figure reported anywhere, but that is the figure.
If the death rate is indeed 27%, then only 4.6 million U.S. citizens are infected, compared with the reported. However, the 27% figure should be regarded with some caution, since it takes no account of the under-reporting of cases, many of which will have been recoveries or asymptomatic. But it does suggest that of the currently-active 748,153 confirmed cases outside China more than 200,000 will be likely to die worldwide.
The Chinese virus, then, will be a biggish killer, either because far more are infected than are being reported or because the death rate is higher than the WHO imagines, or both. At this stage, we do not know: but no responsible government, seeing figures such as these, would consider itself as acting responsibly if it were to fail to ensure that energetic control measures were put in place.
In all this mishmash of competing statistics, the one certainty is the daily mean rate at which reported cases have been increasing. That is why I have chosen this measure as the basis for the benchmark test.
My hypothesis is that, thanks to the decisive measures taken by most governments, the daily growth rate of total confirmed cases will continue to fall, and that about 1-2 weeks from now the fall will become quite rapid, perhaps buying enough time for health services to increase their capacity to handle intensive-care patients on ventilators, and to perform antigen tests for the presence of the virus and, no less importantly, antibody tests to demonstrate that those who have recovered are immune.
If the daily growth rates do not fall very quickly to South Korean values, then the capacity of health services will be overwhelmed. As of yesterday, the hospital ship sent by President Trump to New York had just three patients on board. Expect the ship to be filled to capacity within days.
Keep safe. And come back here daily for the updated benchmark test.
This Fauci is connected big time to WHO and other ORG.s, a globalist.
Note what he said in 2107
Back in 2017 at forum on pandemic preparedness at Georgetown University Dr. Fauci made an interesting statement. Fauci told the audience the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/whoa-dr-fauci-2017-president-trump-will-challenged-surprise-global-disease-outbreak-video/
Here is the genius who knew ahead of time in the Trump administration there would be an OUTBREAK, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C95ECjxgcJE&feature=emb_logo
see https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/04/are-lockdowns-working/#comment-2955082
below .
TWO US military studies were uncannily accurate.
President Trump was elected because it’s the economy, stupid!
More than 3 decades of take down has left the US seriously exposed.
It sure takes the full power of the Executive do begin reconstruction.
The Defense Production Act is a good first step. The American System must be brought back!
S. Korea’s approach seems to have yielded an enviable death rate for COVID-19 relative to other countries–so far.
By other countries I mean where the virus was allowed to spread widely through their populations with a “do-nothing” or “flattening the curve” approach, thereby creating “herd immunity.”
If and when business-as-usual travel resumes, isn’t S. Korea’s population at higher risk relative to the others indefinitely, or at least until an effective vaccine is developed and administered?
Mr Werner is of course right that South Korea will not have acquired population immunity because it has taken such vigorous steps to control the outbreak. However, at least it remains in an economic position to deal with future such crises, because its prompt action has spared it from the need to go in for the strong lockdowns that have been necessary in the do-little West.
it can’t be both more infectious than the flu and more fatal based on the known numbers …
in the US if the CDC had 200,000 positively tested flu cases they would calculate about 20,000,000 infected to go against the 20,000 dead thus getting their .1 % mortality rate …
so covid19 with 200,000 positively tested if more infectious than the flu would have over 20,000,000 infected … vs 6,000 dead …
pick one, more infectious or more fatal than the flu … can’t be both …
every year the flu dies out in about 3 months due to a combination of geography and herd immunity …
lockdowns reduce herd immunity drastically and also the geography component …
so far if covid19 is going to kill you I see no signs that any medical intervention is going to save you … it appears to be a fatal disease so a small percentage of people no matter what the doctors do …
and the lockdowns almost ensure that you are going to get covid19 eventually …
isolation of the at risk elderly is the only way to save those that it will kill … and we aren’t doing that …
it can’t be both more infectious than the flu and more fatal based on the known numbers …
in the US if the CDC had 200,000 positively tested flu cases they would calculate about 20,000,000 infected to go against the 20,000 dead thus getting their .1 % mortality rate …
so covid19 with 200,000 positively tested if more infectious than the flu would have over 20,000,000 infected … vs 6,000 dead …
pick one, more infectious or more fatal than the flu … can’t be both …
every year the flu dies out in about 3 months due to a combination of geography and herd immunity …
lockdowns reduce herd immunity drastically and also the geography component …
so far if covid19 is going to kill you I see no signs that any medical intervention is going to save you … it appears to be a fatal disease so a small percentage of people no matter what the doctors do …
and the lockdowns almost ensure that you are going to get covid19 eventually …
isolation (until a cure or vaccine) of the at risk elderly is the only way to save those that it will kill … and we aren’t doing that …
A suggestion Christopher, track deaths, it’s the only statistic that I believe has any posibility of being close to having any accuracy in the current fog of data. I’ve been doing it for my location Alberta and some select countries. I’m comparing the daily death rate to that which would normally be expected from respiratory disease. I’m using numbers from the UN reports for annual death rates per 1000 of population, for the proportion due to respiratory causes I’m using the US CDC data from 2013 to 2019. Ball park numbers of course, no point in trying for a precision that is impossible with the data quality.
One observation so far is that Sweden appears to be at the normal daily expected death rate for respiratory causes with no apparent increase due to the COVID 19 virus since the 11th of March which was the date of theifirst death assigned to COVID in Sweden
Yes – except deaths are considerably overstated in most places because they include all who die with the virus but not necessarily of the virus. In Italy for example it’s been shown that only 12 per cent of deaths attributed in the reported statistics to Covid-19 actually had coronavirus recorded as a direct cause of death on their death certificate. This means all reported data, both cases and deaths, is misleading.
That is fairly normal for flu as well since the virus is rarely the CAUSE of death. Usually pulmonary embolism / pneumonia: bacterial.
EU countries typically have “excess deaths” attributed to flu of the order of 10k per year whereas directly record flu cause of deaths maybe around 500.
UK deaths are ordinarily attributed to flu or pneumonia so that’s covered. Covid-19 deaths on the other hand are recorded as such merely if the virus was present at death. It’s different from the usual statistics.
Contrariwise in Spain there is evidence that people are dying without ever having been tested at all.
And COVID-19 deaths are considerably understated.
Whatever…
All this denialism is a bit disconcerting in WUWT. If someone dies of X who would not have died of it if they hadn’t contracted COVID19, then in my book that’s worth recording as a death from COVID19…
Isn’t it the case that everyone who died of HIV actually died of something else?
That by the logic of some posters here no one ever really ‘died of HIV’?
Furthermore, in contrast to ‘global warming’, which has not resulted in any personal action by any politician, COVID 19 has sent world leaders scurrying into isolation and some of the most drastic measures undertaken by governments anywhere.
They are a lot more scared of this than ‘global warming’.
Quite rightly, we don’t fully trust anyone any more. And ‘Climate Sceptics’ are just as vulnerable to ‘confirmation bias’ as anyone else…BUT…in this case people are actually dying and – for the stage in the pandemic we are at – large enough numbers to be deeply disquieting.
Modelling pandemics is a lot easier than climate. What we know is that as far as the speed of infection spread goes, the crucial number is how many people one person infects. Christopher has stated, and I lack the expertise to challenge – that best of all is isolation and quarantine, but ‘social distancing and lockdown is a very good second best, and that is what is happening.
There seems to be at least anecdotal evidence that the viral load acquired affects the severity of the disease as well – which perhaps accounts for the very heavy death tolls in urban areas, amongst health workers and in care homes.
What am I saying? Cut the people who are in this at the coal face some slack. We are seriously short on accurate data, and seeing conspiracies everywhere is as unhelpful as denying that politically and commercially some people will try and profit from this.
Our Glorious Leaders are scared. Scared enough to implement measures that are trashing some of their biggest supporters in finance and big business. For sure they are stupid, but are they THAT stupid?
For sure the world government advocates will leap on this and say that this is why we need a world government, but equally the ‘small is beautiful’ brigade will say it shows how we need separate nation states to react swiftly and independently and diversely. And block their borders.
In short everyone with an axe to grind will be spinning up their grindstones.
But that doesn’t mean they started it. Opportunism is not conspiracy to commit a crime. Pandemics happen because conditions are ripe for them. How many viruses have hopped over from animal populations , given a family or a tribe a hard time and killed a couple of people without it being a global pandemic in our much more isolated past? Probably dozens, every century.
What we are seeing now is a result of certain aspects of globalism. The good side is that information about this is flowing fast and freely. The bad side is that too free movement of goods and people allows for pandemics to take hold very rapidly.
In the end it doesn’t matter from a policy perspective, whether this was started deliberately or not. The problem is that once started, it spreads. In the end it doesn’t matter from a policy perspective if this particular pandemic kills 10,000 or a billion. The problem is that it, or another one, could. In the end it doesn’t matter from a policy perspective, if this one shuts down the while global economy for a year, the problem is that such a thing is possible, and likely. Next time, if not this time.
In short we are being stress tested. Here in the UK at least people are realising how much more important the man who delivers your online shopping is than some pretentious mindless overpaid celebrity dribbling pretentious uninformed received wisdom on the telly.
Those who have read and understood the precept inherent in Joseph Tainter’s ‘the collapse of complex societies’ even if they do not agree with them, will recognise that at a given point all societies become vulnerable to their own flaws. The philosophical precept that ‘what worked yesterday will work tomorrow’ whilst enormously useful and often true, can become incredibly false much faster than the ability of people to realise it.
I am sure people are wondering when we will ‘return to normality’.
Denial is inherent in that. The ‘ War won’t be over by Christmas’. And when it is, the world we will inherit will not be the one we left behind, irrevocably lost.
Real or false, overplayed or correctly responded to, we have embarked on a course from which there is no return, as a result if finally coming face to face with some of the aspects of globalism that we had not encountered before.
Aspects that were always theoretical possibilities, but are now filling morgues..
Climate change was, if not invented, certainly promoted by men for political and financial power and profit.
But this one may be the real deal.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed less than quarter of a million people at the most. But forever changed the way wars were fought. This disease has killed to date about 60,000: Less than ‘Spanish’ flu back in the day, but the point is not how many it has, or even will, kill, the point is how many people (especially political leaders) a nuclear war could have killed or a global pandemic could kill in future.
This is the real ‘woke’.
Welcome to the brave new world
Popcorn anyone?
In response to Mike, in one respect described briefly in the head posting it is indeed sensible to use mortality statistics: for if 1000 people died in the U.S. from the virus yesterday then, at the WHO’s imagined 3.4% case fatality rate there must have been almost 30,000 cases infected three weeks ago; and, at the 25% mean U.S. daily case growth rate since three weeks ago, those 30,000 cases would be more than 3 million infected today.
However, reliance solely upon the death statistics is reliance on an indicator that lags by three crucial weeks. One must also, therefore, track the reported cases of infection, for they will give a better picture of the trend – which is what my analysis studies – than today’s death rates.
And one should not assume that because Sweden’s first case occurred just two weeks ago the the normalcy of the current Swedish death rate is harmless. During the early stages of a pandemic, the infection spreads exponentially. Therefore, many, many more deaths can be expected before enough of the population has either been infected and recovered, been infected or died or has no susceptibility. It is that consideration that has persuaded responsible governments to act decisively, if in most instances belatedly, to control the rate of transmission, preserve a functioning healthcare system and thus save lives.
The problem with this whole analysis is it relies on reported cases, which are a function of the number and type of tests. This point has been well made in a number of places eg https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-. It’s been shown that the proportion of tests coming out positive is not increasing in any country and that the apparent exponential increase in cases is a result of an exponential increase in tests. Any analysis based on reported case figures is therefore fundamentally faulty.
Will Jones has completely missed the point of the head posting. Testing is increasing everywhere, because that is what worked in South Korea, the best-practice country. And yet the case growth rate is falling. That is a powerful indication that something is now inhibiting transmission. Apply Occam’s Razor. Governments have taken measures that have discernibly kept people apart from normal social contact. Accordingly, they have inhibited transmission. And, notwithstanding the extra testing, the case growth rate is falling.
One can also analyze the rate of increase in reported deaths, a statistic that is inherently more reliable than the rate of increase in reported infections. But that rate of increase is exponential too, and the growth rate in deaths is faster than the growth rate in reported infections.
Either way, any responsible government confronted with the evidence would have to lock down its population. That is why so many have done so, even though they did not wish to do so.
Reported deaths in most places include all who die with Covid-19 and not necessarily of it. This means it suffers from similar problems to the reported cases since the more people are tested for the virus especially after death the more will be recorded as Covid-19 deaths. Patients in hospitals are also much more likely to die and much more likely to be exposed to the virus than the population at large, further skewing these figures. There are a number of factors in the upward trend.
1) wealthy people who are completely unaffected in any meaningful way by an economic shutdown probably shouldn’t comment on whether there should be one or how long it should last.
2) HIV was not in any manner airborne and does not persist in any localized environment or niche, so what works for limiting HIV spread won’t work for coronavirus. So nothing comparable there.
3) That is the sketchiest way of calculating the death rate from coronavirus infection that I have seen yet. Since a large proportion of the population appears to either not become infected after exposure to the virus or to be asymptomatic or to have mild illness that never results in a test, until a true randomized population test is done for both presence of coronavirus and antibodies, we won’t know either rates of infection or death rates or any other proportions. The evidence to date suggests that in fact rates of serious illness, much less deaths are quite low.
4) We are getting some very dodgy ways of counting coronavirus deaths. See this from the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf If they had pneumonia or other respiratory illness, even if no positive COVID test, call it a COVID death.
5) Again, wealthy people apparently have little empathy for what it means for the average person to lose a job.. We have 20 million newly unemployed people in the US. Maybe what is happening to them, including the health consequences, should be considered too.
Christopher, please consider this unique mitigation technique /sarc>
No fooling, my son took this photo at a SAM’s box store near Houston, Texas the other day. He sent it to me both as an example of the foolishness people are exhibiting and because, as a college intern working on my undergraduate degree in physics, I was honored to be selected to work for NASA on the Apollo Program where we sent men to the moon. He titled the photo, “The CoronaNaut”

With all due respect to the Lord, this is nonsense. When the CDC announced April 3 that the virus is transmitted by mere exhalation, they also admitted that there are no measures that can stop this virus. No, a motorcycle helmet cannot filter out virus particles. No, a piece of cloth loosely draped across the face cannot filter out a virus.
The simple fact is, in accordance with the April 3 pronouncement by the CDC, all measures are useless. All the “bending the curve” measures merely delay the infection of the population; the same number of people will be infected, and the same number of people will die. I realize this sounds harsh, but, sometimes the scientific facts are harsh.
And in all the hysteria regarding the availability of ventilators, I have yet to see anyone provide evidence that those who require ventilation recover.
Throughout this epidemic I have been astounded by the lack of science in the government pronouncements of “measures” taken to “control” the spread of the virus. The only real way to prevent the virus is to not create it in the first place. But we are not allowed to discuss the responsibility of the Chinese who created this virus in willful negligence by persisting in their unsanitary animal handling and butchering practices, and, the depraved indifference with which they lied about person-to-person transmission of months while Chinese migrant workers and travelers spread the disease around the planet.
But our elites will take no measures against the Chinese who created this mess; they will instead destroy the world economy and then pat themselves on the back about how well they handled this fiasco complete with fake statistics on the lives they saved. But the fact is, the CDC announcement on April 3 means, there are no measures saving any lives, just hysteria and economic destruction.
” All the “bending the curve” measures merely delay the infection of the population”
But the point to delaying measures is to allow the health care industry time to gear up and not be overwhelmed.
Tom in Florida is correct: the reason why responsible governments have taken firmish control measures is to give healthcare systems time to prepare themselves to cope, and to give public-health organizations that had failed to prepare for pandemics time to test the whole population.
” the same number of people will be infected,” yes, ” and the same number of people will die. ” No.
The aim is to stretch the length of the outbreak and thus prevent hospitals getting overwhelmed and people dying unnecessarily. That hopefully reduces the number of deaths.
Even if the CDC is correct that the virus can be spread by breathing this does not mean that this is the primary method of spread or that measures such as hand hygiene, distancing, or use of face masks can’t help reduce the rate of infection.
tomg is entitled to his opinion, but the chief medical officer in South Korea has stated, on the record, that wearing a mask, even if it does not filter out the air you breathe, does act as a somewhat efficacious barrier to infection. Even wearing glasses acts as an incomplete but significant hinderer of infection via the orbital mucous membranes. Now, let me see, whom should I believe? tomg, or the official in whose country the evidence shows the pandemic to have been most successfully controlled to date, by an order of magnitude?
I do not and did not suggest that scarves around the face, or motorcycle helmets, would provide complete protection. They don’t. But, like it or not, the medical evidence is that they do provide some protection. And, as the South Korean health guru has said, in an excellent interview, any steps to hinder transmission will help.
I agree that Communist China will probably get away with having unleashed yet another pandemic on the world because of Mr Xi’s inexcusable decision, supported by the corrupt director of the dismal World Death Organization, to pretend that the virus did not exist, or could not pass from human to human, until the whole world had been subjected to the infection. Xi’s misconduct is just one more demonstration that Communism must be destroyed, along with all other forms of extremist totalitarianism. But try telling that to the Marxstream news media in the West.
“somewhat efficacious” = ineffective. The inevitable outcome may be delayed but the outcome remains the same: only immunity by infection will end the epidemic. The virus is ubiquitous in the world, the majority of infected are unidentifiable, transmission occurs by breathing alone; only immunity by infection will end the epidemic.
There’s a whole lotta presumption going on around here.
How can any of you know lock downs are justified without any assessment of the anticipated economic carnage?
Loading up half of the scale doesn’t provide any valid or reliable measurement.
Monckton wrote. ” I agree with Mr Evans that lockdowns are cripplingly expensive. However, the alternative – allowing millions to be exposed to the risk of painful death – would have been still more expensive.”
With all due respect, isn’t that a pretty wild presumption?
In order to make that claim there must be some effort to quantify the cost of a collapsed economy.
What is the lock down truly doing? What is the cost of shutting down so much and 30% unemployment?
Where is the economic system, business and people impact analysis equal to the virus spread analysis.
Both sides of the scale must be loaded before claiming one side weighs more.
IMO the over reaction to the COVID-19 will be catastrophic and far more costly than the virus.
And ultimately go down in history as the worst blunder in human history.
One need only imagine if all of the common flue numbers were reported daily and how alarming it would appear. 100s of millions infected, millions hospitalized and half a millions dead to date.
All with nothing shut down at all.
Now suppose the current flu numbers were double this year what they normally are.
Would we see any shut downs? I doubt it.
The death toll from COVID-19 is tragic. However it may very well be that the shut downs are tragic x 2, x3,x 4 or more.
I’m troubled that no one seems to be worried about that?
Steve Oregon appears to imagine that responsible governments have not considered the economic cost of lockdowns. Of course they have: that is why so many of them took so long to realize that there was no other option.
The more quickly the lockdowns work, the more time will be bought for bringing up the capacity of hospitals to cope, and for preparations to test the entire population.
At the end of the pandemic, the world will eventually restart. But this is not the same as a war, which destroys much of the capital stock. The virus does not destroy buildings or factories or aircraft. All of these are already there. The free market is quite capable, once the pandemic is history, of recovering and rebuilding.
The cost in the interim is undeniably heavy. But the cost of failing to act, according to the analyses done for the British Government, would have been many times greater.
Just because one does not want economic damage, one must not assume that the economic damage done by a lockdown would be greater than the economic damage done by the complete societal collapse that would follow upon the swamping of healthcare systems everywhere.
“The virus does not destroy buildings or factories or aircraft.”
Correct, but global financial depressions do
Christopher Monckton,
An interesting analysis – Thank You! As one who had a persistent bout of ‘flu’, leading to viral pneumonia and 7 days of intensive hospitalization in Feb 2019, I’m really not looking forward to a new ‘cage match’ with the Wuhan virus! Given all of the uncertainties associated with the current conflagration, there is one real historical certainty we can rely on and is expressed perfectly by the following quip:
As the veterinarian said about the cat’s hair balls, “This too shall pass!”
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2019-to-2020
Anyone in any doubt that something is happening need only look at the excess deaths. This was a week last Friday with only 578 deaths atributed to covid19. On Thursday I’d expect the peak to match 2017/18 if not excede it. If lockdown works we might expect that peak to slowly decline, only to rise again each time lockdown is lifted. Only when herd immunity is achieved or we have a vaccine or a reliable cure or we find out this virus has a low cfr can the tap be turned back on permanently.
Re the cfr (case fatality rate) a lot of people think that China has kept secrets – probably true – but if the country knows more about the disease than we do – why is it still acting like covid19 is deadly?
TinyCO2 makes some excellent points. If the exponential daily increase in deaths continues – and it will continue for about three weeks after the peak daily increase in cases – it will indeed push other causes of death into the shade.
I have long admired Christopher Monckton’s of Brenchley crusade against the bad science and statistics propelling the CAGW movement throughout the years; however, he has fallen victim to the same bad principles of those groups when he faults well established science and statistics of herd immunity/viral load concept.
Unfortunately, far too many people are extolling the alleged benefits of totalitarian unconstitutional measures.
The politicians enacting those draconian measures are immune to the ruinous financial ramifications of their actions, because they will still be paid by government treasuries. In the meantime, the youth of our nation are taking fastballs to the ribs for the supposed welfare of us old folks. For the sake of the younger generations, I wish my fellow old fogies would demonstrate en masse at the nation’s capitol to protest this ongoing martial law.
Yep CofB has adopted the classic climatology methods here. I know he far too intelligent not to realise that , especially since I have pointed it out multiple times and he has not addressed the question.
In view of his pride in suggesting immediate and permanent confinement as the best solution to the AIDS outbreak ( ie homosexuals ), he clearly has little regard for personal freedom or constitutional rights of others.
The poisonous Greg continues to whine about my having recommended that carriers of HIV should be immediately, compulsorily and permanently isolated. The reason for that recommendation is that, if it had been adopted right at the outset, very few would have had to be isolated, but tens of millions of lives would have been saved.
Greg’s persistent failing is that he is utterly incapable of seeing both sides of a question. He takes a preconceived and often infantile position and then screams if anyone disagrees with it.
Not so a homosexual campaigner who telephoned me in a fury when I had published the results of my investigation into how many HIV would kill if it were not contained. I explained the math (which has, of course, since proven correct). He fell silent, and then said, “But you do realize, don’t you, that the first people who would benefit from your policy are the homosexuals who are currently most at risk of infection, and who would no longer be at risk.”
“Got it in one,” I said. “I don’t want anyone, whoever they are, to die needlessly because sensible and proportionate measures with admittedly adverse consequences for a few unfortunates were not taken in good time.”
“Oh,” he said, “That puts a completely different complexion on the matter. I support that.”
Greg, on the other hand, supports the unnecessary loss of 50 million lives and counting. That is a contemptible position, but entirely characteristic of him.
In response to Mr Jessup, I apply the same analysis to epidemics as to the climate scam. On the figures, the current pandemic is an emergency, while the climate scam is not.
And before he goes on about totalitarian measures, locking down an entire population of freedom-loving Westerners is not really possible unless the population is persuaded – and, like it or not, most of the population is persuaded – that for the time being it is best to stay at home.
I could speculate with the best of you, but is that responsible? Maybe half the population has immunity from having had a mild case already. I know many people (myself included) who have had mild flu-like symptoms consistent with Covid-19 during February and March. But since I was not permitted to be tested when I had a mild fever for a day on March 16, it may be a long time before I can know the truth. It’s all well and good to guess that maybe I am immune and no longer contagious, but what if I had a mild flu unrelated to covid-19? Frankly, I am 50% confident that it would be safe to go back to normal, but I’m also 50% confident that it would be a mistake.
Without reliable data about immunity status in the population, anybody’s cleverly-argued hypothesis might be right. For the moment, having seen the reality in New York City, it seems rash in the extreme to oppose the advice we are getting from the Trump Administration. We’re in the fog of war. Prudence demands a certain amount of caution, given the potential stakes and our profound lack of useful data.
So while I am not in the least impressed by the argument made here that lockdowns are “working”, I still think that the possibility that they are staving off much worse outcomes can’t be dismissed by reasonable people.
We can’t sustain these lockdowns and it will be a catastrophe if we do not soon have immunity testing and practical treatments. Even today in CT, nobody without both fever and respiratory distress is likely to be able to be tested for covid infection, and nobody is getting antibody testing. This must change soon!
Very smart people seem to be completely missing the point of a “lock down” – that or they are just willing to let people needlessly die.
The lock down is to slow down the progression of the disease. This helps to keep your critical care response high and gives you more time to develop counter-measures. Even if it does not lower the final number of people infected, if it meets the two goals above it saves lives. Without the lock down in New York, their cases would have gone much higher than they already are. There would have been no where to put the sick and dying. They need time to prepare a response.
We started off this pandemic with very little good data – thanks to China – and as of today still have no idea how high its mortality rate is. Think very hard about that…We face an enemy and still do not understand statistically how many people will likely die. It this turns out to be a “bad Flu” and the numbers of deaths in the U.S. are in the tens of thousands then we have indeed overreacted. But if it ends up killing millions? Without quality data we just do not know.
Yes we have impacted the economy, and yes we have impacted peoples lives…We cannot stay locked down. But we need to stay locked down until we have enough quality data to make sound decisions – otherwise we are acting like the “OMG Climate Change is Going to Kill Us All” crowd and just using emotion to drive our decision making.
We need to know how many people have been infected (have antibodies) versus how many we test that come up positive (an almost useless number by itself). Without this data, we are blind to the real threat.
Exactly right
“They hold that the best thing to do is let everyone become infected, let the old and the sick die, let the health services collapse…”
Are we really suggesting that there are only two extremes?
I’m generally against the lockdown (in most places), but I think the most vulnerable should self-isolate, and the vast majority of the infected won’t need to use health services at all. I don’t want anybody to die needlessly, but I also don’t want to see the far greater effects of destroying the economy.
There’s a reasonable middle. Let’s not pretend that anti-lockdown folks are cold and callous people.
Renbutler advocates what is known in British politics as the perpendicular bisector, or in the Bible as the judgment of Solomon. Cut the baby in half and give half each to the two women claiming to be its mother.
The central deciding factor in persuading responsible governments that they must invite their populations to subject themselves to what amounts to indefinite house arrest is that if they had not done so their healthcare systems would have been overwhelmed, leaving anyone who was ill and in need of hospital treatment under threat. That is why lockdowns were thought necessary.
The daily updates here will show whether or not the lockdowns are working. If the lockdowns are not working, the daily rate of increase in the case count will itself rise, rather than falling as at present.
That is simply false. You are attributing the natural course of every epidemic to the effect of lockdown. You have yet to address this point which multiple people have raised. You might also attribute the decrease in new cases to the number of times President Trump says “nobody has ever seen anything like this” or the number of times he claims that China is paying tariffs (rather than American customers paying a new tax). Neither of those factors have any effect on the natural progression of an epidemic and you have not demonstrated the degree to which any decrease in new cases is due to lockdown policy and how much is just the natural progression of an epidemic. This is essentially the same flawed logic that attributes 100% of observed temperature increase to anthropogenic CO2 emissions, is it not?
Lockdown is not to stop you getting infected. It is to stop you infecting someone else.
It is not the vulnerable who need to practise it, but the young and fit.
But if the vulnerable are locked down away from potential carriers, the young and fit won’t spread it to them even if they’re free to move about.
“Public Health England”, a grim but useless bureaucracy
I am still waiting for PHE to give a response to my FOI request for a table of age at time of death in one column and number of covid-19 deaths at that age in the second column (or equivalent information).
Martin A should not hold his breath. Public Death England will have to be dismantled when this emergency, to which its own flagrant negligence contributed, is past.
Granted that the topic here is almost endlessly complicated, I can’t help but feel that Christopher Monckton is making an error in assuming that we can know the effectiveness of various jurisdiction’s efforts at ‘lockdown’, just by looking at published growth rates in case numbers? One problem is that “lockdown” is not itself a precisely described condition. For instance, ‘South Korea managed’ lockdown might be essentially a different thing than lockdown in Italy or Spain. So when we put up a graph or a chart purporting to compare lockdown countries to non-lockdown countries, are we looking at a true, meaningful, causative distinction, are we looking at situations that are different for other reasons, etc?
Another thing that I find a bit problematic is the distinction that Monckton makes at the outset, between activists and passivists, saying that “When it comes to preventing pandemics, I am an activist.” Activism apparently means tracking everyone to the max, so as to isolate infectious individuals. It also means wearing full face helmets, maybe Scott airpacks and hazmat suits when going out, who knows? This could be termed “precautionary bias” on Monckton’s part — but surely this really makes sense *only* if you think that exposure is *likely to be deadly* for the individual concerned? I mean, say, what about the growing list of celebrities that we see contracting the virus and *recovering with immunity*, apparently with little risk of dying at *any* point if the person is healthy to begin with?
Before going to extremes to prevent the spread of what is doubtless an extra dangerous kind of ‘cold virus’ (coronavirus), shouldn’t there be an obligation for authorities to really prove or corroborate *something* in regard to the question of just *how* hazardous it is? In particular, if is almost strictly a smallish sector of the populace that faces a high death rate from this, it might be far better for most of us to take ‘passive’ precautions, even going around with a simple face mask (if any experts would confirm that this is helpful) while we do our everyday business — with the vast majority of people out there able to keep working and paying taxes as a result of being so ‘passive’. Are we so lame as a society that we couldn’t then build the field hospitals, clinics, or whatever is needed to reduce the death rate among the worst affected?
In comparing growth rate numbers for countries, MofB says:
The most impressive results are those for Italy, the first country in Europe to impose a strictish lockdown. During the reference period, the Italian growth rate was more than 30% per day, and cases were doubling every 2.6 days. But the lockdown is beginning to work. In the week to April 2, the daily growth rate in Italy was down to 5.2%. Even that is an alarming value: it would lead to a doubling of cases every two weeks. But the trend in the daily growth rate is firmly downward .. ”
Then, Monckton gives some commentary about the unreliablity of the case percentage statistics, beginning with the statement.
“.. the question arises whether the official data on which I have relied are trustworthy. The answer is that they are not, for the lack of widespread testing has entailed a very substantial understatement of the numbers infected.. “. The writer then goes on to detail some of the extreme uncertainties about case numbers, risks and death rates.
So what all this tells me is that we’ve no idea whether the particular measures taken in Italy had anything to do with the slowing of the doubling in the case rate there! Also, we have no way of comparing whether the total death count is any different as compared to an ‘alternate universe no lockdown’ scenario in which Italian authorities simply advised voluntary isolation for sufferers? I mean, perhaps such an approach would even have allowed some benefits, such as i.e., no forcing people out of work, with more police and nursing support for self declared sufferers, plus a better economy *and* a steady tax base for funding clinics and field hospitals as needed, etc.?
Finally, here I just have to provide some sort of extra caution in the vein of the oft forgotten advice that “correlation does not imply causation”.
See, for instance, the following link itemizing some spurious correlations:
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
Following the above link, it is apparently an established fact that increases in ‘non-commercial satellite launches’ are a direct cause of ‘sociology students getting their doctorates’ —
— while the ‘decline in the marriage rate in Kentucky’ has had the salutory effect of,
reducing deaths from ‘falling out of a fishing boat’?
Really, I don’t want to be cavalier about deaths, fear of pandemic, concerns about what we don’t know. It’s just that taking care of society also means balancing out the need for freedom, and the need to to resist panic, even in the face of the unknown! If we’ve no way to tell even how many deaths are ‘from’ the virus, versus just ‘with’ the virus, have no idea how many ‘have’ the virus, why, shouldn’t there be some considerable firming up of *those* numbers, *before* we plan ourselves a Monitored Society?
In response to Mr Blenkinsop, the reason why action is necessary in the face of a pandemic that is both considerably more infectious and considerably more fatal than flu is to forestall the exponential increase that would lead to deaths by the million unless it was interrupted.
I spent some weeks doing a mathematical analysis before I settled upon using the confirmed-case data. Those data, like all such data in the early stages of pandemics, have many defects. it is, therefore, appropriate to qualify any conclusions drawn from those data by pointing out the defects. This I have done,l and Mr Blenkinsop knows it, for he has cited the very passages in which I have fairly pointed those defects out.
Nevertheless, some cautious conclusions can be drawn from analyzing such data. One such conclusion is that, even though testing is slowly becoming more widespread, which would normally lead to the identification of more infected people, the rate of increase in confirmed cases is falling in those Western countries that have introduced various degrees of lockdown, whereas – for instance – it is rising in Sweden, whose public health commissioner has recommended against a lockdown (though he has recently conceded that he is reviewing his decision).
Nor it is appropriate to make, as Mr Blenkinsop has made, the assertion that correlation does not imply causation. In logic, correlation does not necessarily imply causation (the word “necessarily” is important, because of course correlation can and often does imply causation). If there be a known causative agent – in the present instance, lockdowns have reduced social contact in the affected countries by 80-95%, directly inhibiting transmission of the infection – then one cannot airily assume that that known causative agent has for some reason failed to operate.
And when one is confronted with data (this will admittedly be easier to see during future updates, where the information is presented graphically) showing that in the Western countries with some degree of lockdown the daily case growth rate is falling, while in Sweden, with no lockdown, it is rising, one has to go through quite some contortions to find sufficient confounders to overthrow the conclusion that the lockdowns may, after all, be having some effect at present.
I trust that when you are proven wrong in this you will admit it, rather than conveniently forgetting this prediction that Sweden will rise while others will decline.
Your argument, in addition to being the clear analogue to the AGW claims that all warming is due to human CO2 emissions and not at all to natural effects, is also eerily similar to the alarmist habit of saying “it’s just the physics”
Logically if everyone would rigorously follow lockdown prescriptions, it must help. But you have no justification for attributing all reductions in new cases to lockdown practices. Logically there is some warming from increased CO2, by there are many factors. The same is true here.
You may be correct (and I hope so), but you beg the question.
Rich
There is anecdotal evidence that the ‘twenty-somethings’ are universally ignoring the social distancing, hence the observation that is isn’t just the elderly that are getting sick now.
Where I live, I have observed ‘essential’ business such as what are euphemistically called “tree surgeons” continuing to remove trees, as well as a surveyor looking for a property line for my new neighbors, who show up with what appear to be their grand-kids. Another neighbor had the oil changed on his car a couple of days ago. The social distancing seems to be about as well complied with as making a face mask out of cheese cloth. And yet, people are trying to make the case that it is working. It seems to me, that at best, we have shut down about a third of our retail workers, meaning they aren’t coming into contact with shoppers.
I hope we’re wrong, but Willis makes a strong case that all we’re doing is making sure our economy is destroyed with minimal effect on lives saved. Even still, I can’t in good conscience advise reducing our efforts.
We must have antibody testing and much greater capacity for covid-19 testing coupled with rigorous quarantine of those with confirmed tests (not porous home isolation with other family members coming and going at will and nobody even knowing if the sick family member really had covid or just a mild flu), and aggressive contact tracing when new cases are detected.
Rather than fatalistically saying that Korea and Japan are somehow societies incompatible with western culture, we should be learning from them. If we’re truly incompatible with effective measures then we’re up for the Darwin Award.
LMOB I note that _Jim posted https://www.sermo.com/press-releases/largest-statistically-significant-study-by-6200-multi-country-physicians-on-covid-19-uncovers-treatment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/
This implies that treatment not only varies by time but by country. Another variable that may indeed swamp other variables. Treatment seems to be more political than one would expect.
Useful link, giving nice resume of the level of hcq globally . I did not realise it was so heavily used in Spain.
Strange thing to ask a physician. Why would they have any competence in epidemiology?
It is only political in USA because Trump expressed hope that it may be a game changer. This “obliged” the resisters to automatically dismiss its clinical efficacy on principal.
In France/EU there is some heavy and underhanded mafia type behaviour going on on the part of big pharma and their stooges in the upper echelons of the medical profession.
All out attempts in the media to discredit eminent professor Didier Raoult and his world class unit in Marseilles. The aim is ensure any testing of hydrochloroquine fails by explicitly NOT following the protocol he recommends and NOT using it at the stage where he says it is most effective.
This is simply “follow the money”, not partisan politics. When the EU study chooses a winner ( all the other study drugs are patented anti-virals ) there will be instantaneous multi-billion euros orders from all EU countries.
I fear that my friend Christophere, AKA Lord Moncton, has proposed a meaningless statistic, which is “confirmed cases”.
The problem is that confirmed cases is a function of testing, both who, where, and how many. Suppose a country like, I don’t know, say thee US hasn’t had many testing kits. They don’t find many confirmed cases. Then they get a bunch of test kits and start testing. First they test the most sick people and find lots and lots of confirmed cases. Then they start testing more widely, and the number of new cases drops.
Two or three days ago I looked at the numbers. Confirmed cases in the US had gone up by 13% that day … but in the same day, US testing had gone up by 6% …
I’m sure you can see the problem. Confirmed cases Care a function of testing T, or in math terms C = f(T).
There’s a second issue with confirmed cases. This is that in the normal course of the disease, initially the number of cases (actual cases whether they are confirmed by testing or not) goes up very fast. Then it starts to slow down, new cases reach a peak, and then start to die away.
The problem is separating out the effect of any given lockdown on “confirmed cases”, which are already badly contaminated by testing variations, from the natural progression of the disease. In other words, if you impose a lockdown early on, the results will APPEAR different than if you impose a lockdown much later in the natural course of the disease. However, that may have absolutely nothing to do with the lockdown.
This has a big effect since most countries have only imposed lockdowns in the last couple of weeks … and in many, perhaps most of those countries, the disease was already slowing down. Using Lord Monckton’s proposed measure would then make it APPEAR that the lockdowns are working, whereas in fact it may only be the fact that the rate of infections was already dropping.
Conclusion?
Lord Monckton’s proposed measure is both inadequate and misleading, and should NOT be used for any purpose.
My best to all including Christopher, stay well,
w.
Excellent comment, thank you.
Nice and clearly stated Willis. There is also mixing of EU and US populations which are at different stages of growth. ( Most of EU is at peak COVID or past it. In view of the inflationary effect of testing almost certainly well past peak ).
You are of course perfectly correct about the case data but until we are further along we will not see impacts in fatalities. Right now cases are the only data that even have the possibility to show the effect of confinement.
Test-number inflation would tend to counter any reduction due to confinement but unless it was near equal in exponential scale and similarly timed I would expect to see something.
I offered a version of a game you’ve played before : “spot the lockdown”
No one ( esp. CofB ) has found the onset of the effect of confinement in Italy.
I’m surprised there isn’t something. ( Well I may have an idea but I’m waiting for responses ).
Mr Eschenbach makes some good points and some bad points, rather like the curate’s egg. What the analysis of reported cases shows is that, notwithstanding the increase in testing which should, in Mr Eschenbach’s estimation, have led to an increase in the daily compound case growth rate, that rate is in fact falling in those Western countries that have introduced lockdowns, while it is rising in Sweden, where there has been a little social distancing and a ban on large public gatherings but otherwise no lockdowns.
Next, Mr Eschenbach points out that in the normal course of a pandemic the initial increase in cases is rapid, but eventually it declines. Let us put this viewpoint in mathematical terms. At the outset of any pandemic of a new pathogen to which there is no general immunity, the growth rate in the number of confirmed cases is strictly exponential. In the present pandemic, the mean compound daily case growth rate was about 19% up to March 14, when Mr Trump declared a national emergency. However, at some point, the exponential curve begins to inflect and become a logistic curve (which, because of its importance in epidemiology, is also known as the epidemic curve, the S-curve, the sigmoid curve or the Gompertz curve.
Using the simplest of all epidemiological models (I know quite a bit about this, because I once wrote such models for HM Government, and they tended to work a lot better than your average climate model), the Susceptible – Infected – Decided model (SID or SIR for short), one can determine at what point the decline in the susceptible population through recovery or removal by death will begin to slow the otherwise exponential rate of increase.
Some weeks ago I began by writing a simple model, which suggested that the decline in susceptibles would not become significant until about mid-May. That is why doing a daily update based on confirmed cases at this stage in the epidemic is useful, because in the absence of control measures one would expect a continuation of the previously-established exponential increase, and that is not happening, even though there is more testing, except in Sweden, where there are no lockdown measures.
Little though those who, like Mr Eschenbach and me, are fond of lockdowns, there is, therefore, some utility in demonstrating to those in lockdown that, while the number of cases and deaths will unfortunately rise sharply in the next two or three weeks, the lockdowns are perhaps having some effect – or, at the very least, that they are not currently causing an acceleration in the daily compound growth rate in confirmed cases.
My purpose in establishing benchmarks against which to judge whether that case growth rate was indeed declining was precisely to forestall Mr Eschenbach’s point that the epidemic might already have been slowing down. No, it wasn’t. And even now, though the compound daily growth rate in confirmed cases is slowing, the number of cases and deaths continues to rise – and, in the absence of lockdown measures, which work precisely because they interfere with the social interaction that had facilitated the previous 19% daily compound case growth rate, the increase would have overwhelmed the nation’s hospital and medical services. This is already happening in some countries, not least the UK, which is one reason why the Prime Minister, albeit with no less regret than that felt by Mr Eschenbach and me, decided that a lockdown was inevitable.
And those who think that my demonstration that at least the case growth rate is already declining is not useful can simply avoid reading my daily postings here over the coming weeks. The lockdown may be to some extent compulsory, but reading material that does not accord with one’s viewpoint is not.
I suspect that after a while some governments will start to use my daily graphs to show their people that it is possible to foresee an end to the current emergency. Giving people reasonable hope is not a valueless exercise, even if that exercise must be – as all epidemiological research during the early stages of a pandemic must be – based on inadequate, incomplete and to some extent inaccurate data.
It was growth in number of tests not in proportion of positive results. That’s the crucial point. The exponential spread of the virus was an illusion created by the ramping up of testing. Or at least, you would need to show it was otherwise to prove that the raw increase in confirmed cases showed a similar increase in actual infections.
“The exponential spread of the virus was an illusion created by the ramping up of testing. ”
No the exponential is very much real in an epidemic. The rate of increase, or doubling time, will be increased by a boom in testing and it may mask when peak COVID has already occurred, until a little later.
The analysis showing no growth in the proportion of positive tests and hence no exponential growth is here. https://coronadaten.wordpress.com/
Strange that a component of treatment wrt time is not mentioned as it seems that it could confused with the lockdown product.
No the ACTUAL case rate is exponential, what the confirmed rate looks like also depends on how you confirm.
It is not an inflection, it is a smother transition.
The Gompertz function ( as covered by Willis recently ) relates to the cumulative total , not the rate of daily new cases.
No one can not “determine” in advance because you do not know the relative parameters. That can only be done retrospectively, once you have data from the later development. There is no information in the exponential growth part of the data which tells you what the later part of the curve will look like and when the peak in cases will occur.
You may like to guestimate your parameters from earlier epidemics of similar infections in similar populations but since exponential change radically with a small change in parameters your have only a generalised model an little idea when it will turn until it does. You can’t see far ahead with this kind of process.
No, there are other factors which will limit growth apart from “control measures” . All epidemics fizzle out eventually even in the absence of govt. intervention.
For an expert in modelling such things you seem rather confused about the basics.
Far less having the humility to learn and correct one’s mistakes and modify one’s viewpoint, as you persist in demonstrating.
Your blending of two different populations at different stages in the evolution of an epidemic means your method is destined to produce spurious results whatever else you do. Your “benchmark” is meaningless.
I would like reasonable hope that we are not going to persist in the insanity of economic self-immolation and have a strategy to get out of it ASAP.
If there is more content to your promised daily updates than an update to the current tables it will be interesting to see your model.
Since you still present Italy as an example of the benefits of confinement I invite your for the fourth time to point out where this is visible in the data.
Greg,
You said, “No one can not ‘determine’ in advance because you do not know the relative parameters.” Yes, it is a fool’s errand to try to predict the final form of a logistic curve based on a few deaths in the early stages of an epidemic.
I have said this before, without getting a response from anyone: what has troubled me from the beginning is that the US (and other countries behave similarly) tolerates up to 80,000 deaths per year from seasonal flues, with the only acknowledgement being that those mixing the vaccine ‘cocktail,’ admitting that they didn’t do a good job of guessing what strains would dominate the next season.
Yet, at a point in time when the CDC estimated that there were already 20,000+ seasonal flu deaths in the US, and about 40 COVID-19 deaths in a retirement home in Richland (WA), people were starting to panic. Maybe I was distracted by the Media giving so much time to the impeachment, but I didn’t feel there was adequate evidence presented for the danger, and I know about exponential curves. I couldn’t help but reflect on the disparity between what was being said and the preparations that were in progress. It seemed that we weren’t being given the whole story. Only those like Mosher, who are clairvoyant, apparently could put two and two together and get 2^20.
Willis
You are correct on the point of testing. I use a simple adjustment on the UK figures which accounts for the different number of tests. The UK provides this information in its daily report. For example the most recent report gave the following.
It’s difficult (impossible) to find the same information for other countries so, you’re right, comparisons, at least. are meaningless.
John a source for the UK data would be good.
France did give daily data they have now condensed to weekly totals.
What is your scheme for adjustment, I have not been able to think of an objective way to “correct” the sampling bias.
“France did give daily data they have now condensed to weekly totals.”
Don’t forget nursing homes weren’t counted until a few days ago.
Yes, there was a crazy jump in fatalities yesterday. Was that a one off change or drip fed in? Do you have a link to any announcement on that?
I generally laugh at conspiracy theories, but this exchange is both interesting and unusual in that it does track with events over the past several decades. If anyone recognizes the individuals and the venue, feel free to jump in and get us on track. Are you witnessing the third and final domino to fall in a global paradigm shift?
#Corona: The Collapse of the System (Ernst Wolff)
https://youtu.be/8LYjOEib9iI
Maybe a bit exagerated, but not so much, well reflected 😀
Lockdowns have one subtle benefit. This is they reduce the number of flu cases and even cases of common cold.
It is important because one of the criteria for getting a test is fever. If you can reduce the number of people getting fevers because of the flu or common cold this frees up more tests for what we are trying to test for, namely covid19.
In Texas we see that around 1.5 pct off all tests are positive for covid 19. In the USA rate I believe closer to 10pct. In NYC rate is 31pct with some areas over 60pct.
It is indeed observable, and Roy Spencer has pointed out here, that lockdowns hinder the transmission not only of the Chinese virus but also of other infectious diseases. Indeed, his piece is a fine demonstration of the evidence that lockdowns do work – at least in the early stages, when people are complying with them.
What is evident from the tables in the head posting is that the daily case growth rate, though still highly dangerous, is falling, and that in countries with tight lockdowns, such as Italy, it is now falling fast, while in Sweden, with no lockdown, it is rising again.
At the very least, lockdowns buy time to do various crucial things: first, make hospital space to deal with large numbers of intensive-care cases; secondly, get testing done on a national scale; thirdly, do proper contact-tracing.
Stevek is quite right to point out that in cities the infection rate is higher than in more rural areas. The obvious reason for this is that transmission is easiest where many are congregated in close proximity to one another. Environmentalists are already using this obvious fact as an argument that the real cause of the higher death rate in cities is pollution (which is at best a minor co-factor in advanced pulmonary cases only), and that therefore gimme the money.
Great!
Lockdowns reduce the number of cases of nonfatal viral infections, at the cost to America and the West of trillions of dollars, without saving any lives whcih would be better protected by isolating those most at risk.
I am sorry, but Chris’ statist tendencies are sadly on display here.
But he, like all of us, were left adrift without the good data which we should have had, in an ideal, democratic, capitalist world, from the despotic ChiCom regime, so beloved of Western Lamestream Media.
Won’t this haunt South Korea for years because they will take many years to achieve herd immunity (unless there is a vaccine), ultimately they’ll have as many deaths as countries that ensure hospital capacity? In the UK there is only one critical benchmark and that is that our Health Service is able to treat all who need treatment.
In response to Son of Mulder, South Korea’s approach is to prevent the initial transmission of the infection at the earliest possible moment. This is not only the most humane but also the cheapest strategy, and – to the fury of some commenters here – it has worked spectacularly well. That means South Korea has not had to go into lockdown and, therefore, has the economic resources to ride out the initial storm while research into a vaccine continues.
If there is no early vaccine – and that, alas, is one quite likely outcome – South Korea will continue to get a small level of infections, which it will continue to contain affordably by the use of its present measures.
My theory is “When everyone that can get it, got it, then it’s gone.”
Pochas94 may not, perhaps, be making enough allowances for the number of people who will needlessly die if control measures are not at first put in place.
I was assuming that people observing the control measures are among those who “can’t get it.” However they are the ones who do not acquire immunity and will not strengthen the “herd’s” immunity against future onslaughts. It is their duty to get vaccinated ASAP.
Thank you Lord Monckton for your thoughts and this discussion.
Here is what is happening in New Zealand isolated at the bottom of the world .
The country is in the second week of lock down and only deemed essential services are allowed to operate .
Extensive testing is being undertaken and all returning residents have to self isolate for 14 days .
Tracing of all contacts of all positive cases is being undertaken and although the number of confirmed cases is climbing as of yesterday around 13 people where in hospital with 2 or 3 in intensive care and one death so far.
Cruise ships and returning travelers have been the main source of the disease .
Wage subsidies are being paid by the government to businesses to pay a smallish amount to their staff .
Layoffs are about to hit in Air New Zealand and our large tourism sector .
Our weather remains calm and sunny which must help as cold and damp conditions favour flue and flue like diseases.
The lock down has been reluctantly accepted but the government has not got everything right .
For example they closed all butchers shops but allowed supermarkets to still process and retail meat .
We will have problems with our kiwi fruit and grape harvests securing enough labour .
The economic slowdown will very likely turn into a depression even with a vast borrowing program to try and prop up the country when we come out of this lock down .
Our farming seems to be coping and our dairy factories and meat processing plants are still operating and produce is still being exported .
Our log trade to China was disrupted earlier in the year and is now shut down here in New Zealand as the government deem it a non essential industry .
We still have some overseas tourists stranded here and New Zealanders around the world who cannot make their way back.
The lock down allows people to buy essential food and other necessities but all other travel and gatherings are prohibited .
All citizens over 70 years are not supposed to move from their residences as they are deemed the most at risk.
My wife has hidden my ute keys to stop me driving 500 meters to my farm as she thinks that I might bring back the virus .
The lock down seems to be working but many businesses will go to the wall and our tourism will be very badly disrupted.
Graham
Proud to be farming to feed the world with milk and meat products .
I am most grateful to Graham for his thoughtful and concise account of conditions in New Zealand. What a beautiful country it is, and how splendid are her farmers!
Let us hope that the case growth rate continues to fall, so that before too long we can bring the lockdowns to an end.
It could be argued (and no doubt will) that NZ’s borders should have closed hard at least a month before they were. Our part time prime Minister however had a vanity project scheduled for March 15 to commemorate a terrorist attack, which nobody actually wanted.
As a result action was delayed until it became patently obvious that it was going to be the only event on in NZ in March.
Only then did she “Go Fast and Go Hard”. (After a week of clamoring from both the opposition, her predecessors chief science adviser and many health care professionals.
To top it all off her Minister of Health was spotted flouting the lock down regulations, driving to a mountain track to cycle in direct defiance of his own government’s instructions to the public.
Bizarrely enough he still has a job.
“We will have problems with our kiwi fruit and grape harvests securing enough labour .”
Why?
If labour is transported in buses, I could see a problem.
I would say having crowds with confined area {like bus without any windows
open could be serious problem.
And wear masks or anything over mouth and nose. Wash hands and don’t touch your face {unless hands have just been washed}. Keep 6 feet away from other people. And keep older people particularly with heath issues isolated from potential carriers of Chinese flu. And carriers can show no symptoms in first 6 days of them being infected.
It’s my guess that it’s the intensity of viral load {being in confined space and with lots of people and for long time] will cause rapid infection and might cause severe illness and possibly death.
Or choir [which knew there was possible problem with Chinese flu] had 60 people singing and some people later died and lot them got Chinese Flu- it was in Washington State {US}.
I will look it up, here:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/us/washington-choir-practice-coronavirus-deaths/index.html