by James Delingpole 8 Mar 2020
Wikipedia has deleted its ‘List of Scientists Who Disagree with the Scientific Consensus on Global Warming’.
Stalin — who set the template for airbrushing inconvenient people out of history — would no doubt have heartily approved of this wanton act of censorship.
But what would probably have pleased him more is the magnificently twisted justification offered by the editor responsible.
“The result was delete. This is because I see a consensus here that there is no value in having a list that combines the qualities of a) being a scientist, in the general sense of that word, and b) disagreeing with the scientific consensus on global warming.”
What this Wikipedia editor is saying, in other words, is that if you’re a scientist who doesn’t believe in global warming then that automatically makes you not a scientist.
In fact many tens of thousands of scientists are sceptical of catastrophic man-made global warming theory, including some of the most eminent experts in the field, among them physicists Dr Richard Lindzen of MIT and Dr Will Happer of Princeton.
But the kind of intolerant leftists who tend to edit Wikipedia pages don’t want you to know this.
Their archived debate as to whether the ‘List of Scientists Who Disagree with the Scientific Consensus on Global Warming’ offers a fascinating, if not exactly surprising, insight into their mindset.
The editors variously refer to these often eminent scientists as “cranks” and “a club of fools”.
One says:
Cranks are well-known to maintain such lists of authoritative-sounding people to bolster their own legitimacy, and this list is just another in this genre. Long past time to kill it.
Another says:
The list is synthesis to mislead the reader into thinking there is significant doubt about the reality of global warming.
This one really, really fancies himself. His contribution is probably best read in the voice of Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons, whom I’d also guess he physically resembles:
Even ten years ago it was clear to me and others that this article had become a badly written nexus of non-notable fringe theories and advocacy for religious points of view. Ten years on, a dozen scientists formerly denying climate change have died. Outside of another dozen die-hards in the United States, virtually no credentialed scientist does not think that climate change is man-made and will, on the whole, have deleterious effects on us and our world. As a scientific community, we also have much more information and data, and the consensus has gotten stronger (close to 99.9 % of scientists agree) as the obituary pages continue to publish the memorials to those who disagree with scientific consensus. Everyone has moved on with their lives. In the meanwhile, I’ve earned a master’s of art in teaching secondary science. I still find students who don’t believe in evolution, and in some quarters, natural selection remains controversial, but absolutely nobody — not teachers, not students, not scholars — seriously denies climate change any more. A list that purports to list the dozen or so people who still deny it to their grave is shrinking each day, and is an example of fraudulently spreading doubt and uncertainty, as noted by Johnuniq. At some time in the past ten years, climate change denial-ism has become the next alchemy, ether, and astronomy. Sure there are a handful of believers in this, Area 51, cold fusion, Occultism in Nazism, AIDS denialism, and the Age of Aquarius, but it’s so few that to list them in an article is to give extreme undue weight to that side. The list also is written as a Gish gallop – a whole series of illogical arguments with their own adherents designed to obfuscate the lack of evidence of the other side. Bearian (talk) 18:13, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
A few brave contrarian voices try to argue against censorship.
One makes the point that the scientists on the list aren’t exactly cranks:
Let’s take a look at the list of people responsible for your so called “fringe theories advanced for religious purposes,” shall we?
Patrick Moore, one of the founders of Greenpeace;
Ivan Giaver, who won the Nobel Peace Prize;
Judith Curry, retired head of the Atmospheric Sciences Department of the Georgia Institute of Technology;
Richard Lindzen, retired head of the Atmospheric Sciences Department of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and member of the National Academy of Sciences (you know, that thing Einstein was a member of);
Vincent Courtillot, a member of the French Academy of Sciences;
Khabibullo Abdussamatov, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences;
John Christy, who is a professor at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, who keeps the temperature data used by NOAA and NASSA, and who contributes to the IPCC reports;
Roy Spencer, who keeps the data with John Christy;
Frederich Seitz, former President of the National Academy of Sciences.
Another has to point out that one of the purposes of Wikipedia is to help people research stuff:
This is a valid list article since it helps people find scientists of this type.
But the best response is this one:
With apologies to people who have been conned into believing that the WP climate area is sound … Who are we kidding here? This is an important, long standing article that gives a tiny sliver of balance to grotesquely POV, essentially permanently vandalized, articles on Climate
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“…and b) disagreeing with the scientific consensus on global warming.”
That would include Galileo then.
In the history of science, the consensus is almost always wrong. It is the job of scientists to challenge whatever consensuses there might be.
Consensus scientists and their followers – the McCarthyites of 2020.
But McCarthy was correct about the Communist Threat. After he properly “bombed out” from lack of due process, the Deep State was born.
Exactly, the term McCarthism is smear-slogan of the left. It should not be used by informed ones.
I was under the impression that a scientist had to question the consensus.
So the k-12 teacher with a claimed MA, commented on how these experienced specialists in the relevant science disciplines with MS’ and beyond are cranks. You can’t make this stuff up!
Maybe there should be a Wiki list of ‘Wiki lists that have been censored, manipulated or deleted by Left-wing c*ckwombles and sp*nktrumpets’.
It’d be a long list.
Gish Gallop…
Wouldn’t that apply to the claim of a 97% consensus?
Not so seriously….
OTOH, do gish need saddles and spurs to gallop in one direction?
The very fact they feel obliged to do this kind of ridiculous move tells all what is needed to know about these people.
It’s a pity. Wikipedia was such a good idea. It still has good, even very good articles, e.g. the one on quechuan languages. Good enough to get a first overview if your doing some research, in my eyes.
But how can you know if your reading a good article or not?
If Wiki did irony (they do, of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony ) and they understood it, they would have had to re-edit this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus
Strange that nowhere can you find any concern that there was once a consensus on the cause of gastric ulcers.
I see we’re back to HOURS before a comment is displayed. I thought this problem was behind us, Anthony. Please get it sorted. Your blog is dynamic because comments are immediately contextual.
(What are the odds that this comment is up in seconds?!)
It was!
I agree. But you won’t know that for several hours. 🙂
Mine have always come up right away.
Could be WordPress itself. I see it on other blogs, though this one seems to take the longest. Also, if you’re commenting at 5 am the comments come through faster, so it may be a matter of traffic.
Haven’t people ragged on WP for even having such a list?
What’s the big deal? People have deluded themselves into thinking Wiki is some kind of real encyclopedia and has merit. If you’re that stupid, everything else if easy to convince you of. As was said, there’s a sucker born every minute (maybe second at this point) and believing Wiki is some kind of an authority is a great way to identify them. Maybe it’s the Biden syndrome–can’t remember what an actual encyclopedia was so you make something up. Anyway, this editing is the very least of the problems with Wiki.
This is not censorship. This is wikipedia deciding whether or not an internal page meets its own guidelines. And the decision was that the page contained too much original research and therefore is not suitable. No-one is being censored and there is nothing to stop other people from making their own list and publishing it on their own website. If you want to create a page on wikipedia then it has to meet wikipedia’s internal standards.
It is censorship, however it’s not government censorship.
Nobody said that Wiki had no right to do this, just that they were wrong to do this.
Funny how Wiki only applies their “standards” to groups that the left dislikes.
You do not meet my internal criteria to exist. Poof
Utter specious nonsense. Nonsense that denies the actions occurred as described by many many witnesses to wikipedia’s evil sneaks.
One begins to think that this Izaak whatever is themselves a wikipedia editor, desperately maintaining their crushing thumb of dubious opinions on honest science.
Pathetic, completely pathetic.
Again, no one is being censored. Wikipedia has deleted a list of most retired
white academics as not being particularly useful, informative or complete. The academics in question still appear to have their own wiki pages (see for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Soon)
And for those with a longer memory it is interesting that when Nature Communications published a list of 386 climate contrarians many of the people on the list including Anthony Watts threatened to sue and demanded that the list be removed. See:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/16/nature-communications-blinks-over-slimy-climate-blacklist-from-ucmerced-authors/
So I am curious why is Wikipedia removing a similar list an example of evil censorship but if Nature publishes such a list then that is slander and it must be taken down?
> deleted a list of most retired white academics as not being particularly useful
What so special about beeing white? Is it a cause of deletation now?
Willie Soon is malasian. But he talks about facts. Are facts now ‘white’? Or is science now ‘purilly white concept’?
Well, according to the woke left, science itself is a product white privilege and “the patriarchy” and its fundamental principles must be deconstructed and replace by socially progressive notions emphasising feminist and disenfranchised societal viewpoints. This is apparently necessary because there are too few women of colour in science and no other explanation or remedy is permissible.
I am also reliably informed that logic is an assertion of white maleness and must be immediately replaced with a feminist and racially sensitive logic that is more inclusive of oppressed minorities.
And thus, science disappears up its own black hole.
How about WUWT offer a survey open to all members of the scientific community wherein they could report whether or not they believe the co2-warming “consensus”? No doubt it would generate interesting numbers.
In a real history-preserving event, rather than hysteria-preserving, some remarkably intact artifacts have recently been found as a Norwegian glacier melts. These date to the late Iron Age and their most unusual state of preservation shows that the glaciation must have happened rather suddenly about 500AD.
This was a period of major climate change, causing the migration of thousands of Germanic people from northern European climes, including the movement of Angles, Saxons and Jutes into eastern Britain.
In other words, if it were not for even this one episode of climate change we would not be using the English language here today for the English language would likely not exist. Thus, as a speaker of a Celtic language from the British Isles, I can honestly blame climate change for the loss of prestige for speaking anything Celtic!
Thus states a puffed up pompous bloviator who has never accomplished real science.
They self promote themselves as worthy to judge real scientists like Dr. Lindzen and Dr. Curry.
Basing their claim on consensus as the driver for science while denying the role of questioning and skepticism that rule the practice of science.
Imagine if the crew and passengers on this ship of fools named “Climate Change” had been around when the glaciers melted as we came out of this last Ice Age (ain’t we still coming out of it?)…the very real warming that did that would have driven them crazy – even crazier than they are now, since their reaction to the approximately 0.06 C degrees/decade warming over the last century and a half or so is so extreme…
I’m not a scientist but have a turn of mind like I’m from Missouri (Show Me), plus I have common sense and the ability to analyze things logically, as well as a wide range of scientific and technical hobbies – amateur naturalist, astronomy, botany, biology, geology, microscopy, to name a few – my profession was a software engineer, BSCS from the early days, with much too much math for my liking – and I believe in the scientific method. So just knowing what little I know, and being naturally skeptical, I am yet to be persuaded that many of the basic claims about “global warming” and “climate change” are true and proven, and that none of the more outlandish ones hold water – especially since it’s all painted as being Man’s “fault” even though things are getting better overall, not worse, and since the rate of change is so slow we’d have to be idiots not to be able to cope with it and adapt, even if we accept the sloppy shoddy “science” and the fraudulent data changing.
The ideas that CO2 is a pollutant, and that it’s the temperature control knob for the planet, and that humans must reduce and control “Carbon”…are so ridiculous that I don’t know if I should laugh or cry.
The whole thing, even if it’s not a scam, is just made to order for the gullible and the con men and women who prey on them. There seem to be a lot of both predator and prey associated with the scam…
“ virtually no credentialed scientist does not think that climate change is man-made and will, on the whole, have deleterious effects on us and our world.”
This second-rate mind sits in judgement of Richard Lindzen. Disgusting.
Many of the people dropped believe that more CO2 increases temperature, but not as much as the alarmists.