By Joe Bastardi |August 1st, 2019|Climate
Climate Activist Greta Thunberg is planning to sail the North Atlantic on a boat with zero carbon emissions (though made of hydrocarbons) to attend United Nations climate summits in New York and Chile.
We’re only six weeks away from the height of the hurricane season. Relative to averages, I’ve been expecting it will be FURTHER NORTH that more tropical development than normal is expected. This makes Greta’s voyage, to put it nicely, a bold idea. Maybe that’s the plan. Draw attention to north Atlantic storms, which as we all know happen multiple times almost every year, but if it causes problems here, can be used to advance an agenda.
Now I have to be careful about any “criticisms” of this climate spokesperson, So I am not going to criticize her, but instead will ask a few questions that might get attention. If questioning is criticism, its only because the person claiming it has an agenda to avoid answering the question. I am well aware any and all criticism nowadays of someone like this can get me accused of being abusive to children or a misogynist. So no criticism, just some things I would like to see her address given her lofty position as a spokesperson for the climate
I am assuming it’s still OK to question authority in pursuit of the truth. The fact I have to waste half this post on explaining this, shows how bad things are getting.
Fair enough?
First of all, is not Greta’s chosen method of transportation an INDICTMENT of the idea we can even think about getting off fossil fuels? Who has the resources and backing to get a fancy yacht and cross the Atlantic? And how is taking the way we cross oceans back to the time of Columbus anything but counter to progress? So only under very special circumstances, extraordinary resources, and several weeks where you can do nothing, is this even possible.
As to the Current climate emergency: I would like to know what Greta opposes in the following items
Climate-related deaths
Is this not a major positive?
Personal GDP and life expectancy globally in the fossil fuel era:
How is this a negative?
More food being grown:
The earth Greener than its ever been in the satellite era:
Why are past times that were warmer than today referred to as “climate optimums?” How did that morph into a “climate crisis?”
I have more questions, but again, I don’t want to pile on. Addressing facts directly, which run counter to the missive being pushed, would be helpful if they expect skeptics like me to get “on board” an elite racing yacht anytime soon. Though I doubt you’ll see me, or 99.9% of the population of the world, have any chance to travel by yacht from Europe to the USA, then Chile.
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Joe BastardiJoe Bastardi is a pioneer in extreme weather and long-range forecasting. He is the author of “The Climate Chronicles: Inconvenient Revelations You Won’t Hear From Al Gore — and Others” which you can purchase at the CFACT bookstore.
What are you talking about? Greta’s chosen boat is the latest and greatest in modern racing technology. There is absolutely no comparison to a pair of 15th century Caravels and a big fat slow sow of a freighter. That is absurd.
Questions can and should be asked, but let’s keep it relevant.
Questions for Greta:
1) What are proper emergency radio procedures?
When notifying authorities of disaster, communications must be clear and unambiguous.
2) What is your Man Overboard procedure?
Every crew member has a job to do, working the sails, communications, spotting the wet crewman, etc.
3) What do you do if you are the one in the water?
Know your part.
4) What is your part in an on-board fire?
Again, everybody has a part to play.
5) How is your celestial navigation?
All the high-tech toys in the world will do you no good when the minions of Poseidon put the zap on the boat’s electricals. Yes, it happens. A Lot. (Seawater and electronics just do not play well together.)
6) How is your First-Aid?
Accidents happen, be prepared.
7) Can you cook?
The boat has a small galley. Those who stand watch, and those who cook. One or the other.
8) Can you cook, in a rolling seaway? Without burning yourself?
See #6, above. Also, do you like soup? Do you really, Really like soup?
9) Do know how deathly seasick you are going to be?
(Never mind the soup.) You will be wishing to die, to end it all. You will even want to jump overboard. See #3 above.
10) Do you have any idea how deliriously happy you are going to be when they finally put you ashore in St. John’s, Newfoundland?
St. John’s is on a point of land which goes far to the East and is your first landfall after Greenland. It historically has been the “Last Chance” option before the big crossing when going East. It is also your first emergency stop and return to civilization when heading west, as you will see.
Helpful tips for sailing:
1) On a sailboat, everything is connected to everything else. A good crew member makes sure it stays that way.
2) Water on the outside, air on the inside.
3) The Mast goes up, the keel goes down. Any other arrangement is considered bad form and could break something.
4) You are not allowed to kill any other crew member, no matter what happens.
We all just want you to be safe and have a nice trip.
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All humor aside:
Such a trip might be the best possible thing for this girl. The first thing you realize is just how *big* the world is. Then you come to understand how utterly insignificant you are when confronted with the forces of nature. You might realize that things are not really quite the way they were explained to you.
They say “Travel broadens the mind”. This is true.
She is not crew.
She is supercargo.
Greta will be sailing with a PLASTIC ship.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
-C. S. Lewis
1. Why can’t Gret5a be criticized? She deserves it.
2. A boat made if hydrocarbons is “green!” That’s sequestered carbon in there it’s not polluting the atmosphere in the form of CO2.
The boat can not be made by using expensive bird choppers or bird fryers…
You have to wonder how it only took a couple of generations to go from, “thank God for industrial society“ to “crush industrial society.“ My father grew up during the Great Depression, and thanks to poverty subsisted on things like old lard spread on a piece of bread for supper. My mother’s mother was born in a sod-roofed hut in the middle of the plains. Her little sister was carried off by scarlet fever at age 9.
Oh, that’s right: the Sixties happened! Ungrateful entitled swine flourished on a steady diet of Marxism and developed the dominant cultural narrative that persists to this day. “Anthropogenic climate change“ is just one of many myths generated in order to advance the suicidal agenda of environmental sock puppets and their puppet masters, who long ago positioned themselves to rake even more jar-dropping wealth than they already have. Then while our nations totter, they can all f.o. to places like the Caymans, Switzerland, Belize, and so on.
Then we can turn on people like Greta’s parents, Roger Hallam, Michael Mann, and all the other poor suckers left behind. I for one will be happy to see “sortition” applied in the matter of who gets to pull the lever.
Oops – JAW-dropping wealth. Damn voice to text! 😀
Switzerland is too picky to accept these people on a permanent basis. There is a difference between accepting people for ski vacations and conferences, and allowing them to stay permanently.
You are required to be able to speak at least three languages if you want to stay in Switzerland permanently. That’s only one of their rules.
Glad to hear it! If there are ANY remaining countries where money can’t literally buy you anything you want, that’s the best news I’ve heard today.
“You are required to be able to speak at least three languages if you want to stay in Switzerland permanently. That’s only one of their rules.”
Rubbish, you need reasonable fluency in the language of your Canton. Permit Cs arent that hard to get if you want t make an effort.
Tina Turner is a good example. She took a test to prove she had sufficient mastery of German in her Canton (Zurich) to become a Swiss citizen, which she is now.
She’s a good example of why the voting age is 18.
And it, maybe, could be 21.
Or perhaps more . . . .
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Well, using gullible, obnoxious teenagers like that HOGG kid and his gang of STOOGES in Florida to push gun control has created a template for this sort of child abuse and manipulation to gain access to venues closed to the adult stooges and worn out useful idiots who have pushed idiotic social issues for decades. When will the world wise up to the strategy and reject it in favor of sound evidence and common sense?
Asking intelligent questions seems to be the way forward out of this mess? Insisting on a thorough answer before allowing the other to deflect with a question volleyed back at you, seems the best way to handle the deflection tactic.
If they refuse to answer your question thoughtfully and thoroughly, there’s no need to waste time and energy.
Simply expose the attempt you made, so that others can see for themselves and assess accordingly.
I suggest that we all simply stop talking about this mentally-disabled child. She is no authority on anything. As long as we keep talking about her, she just becomes more the subject than the realities of climate performance, which is all that matters.
I’m certainly sick of reading about her here on WUWT.
Let’s go back to science and engineering.
From where I sit, and every bit of alarmist “news” posted here confirms it, our adversaries couldn’t care less about science. They learned MANY years ago that the average person is far more disposed to believe doom prophecies than truth, because both their “education” and the media have dumbed them down while training them to focus on negativity and to disparage the achievements of Western culture. The puppet masters are wringing their greasy paws with glee; it was all so incredibly easy!
In brief, science has long since left the building and *obviously* isn’t helping. I don’t know how this is all going to play out, but I’m quite certain that convincing the masses they’ve been gulled and shamelessly used isn’t going to happen, period, not with $100 trillion at stake and the media on board. You can’t prepare for the unexpected, but you can stay alert.
And if you’re of a religious bent, pray for nothing less than a bloody miracle.
Wynken, Blynken, and Nod
Eugene Field – 1850-1895
Wynken, Blynken, and Nod one night
Sailed off in a wooden shoe,—
Sailed on a river of crystal light
Into a sea of dew.
“Where are you going, and what do you wish?”
The old moon asked the three.
“We have come to fish for the herring-fish
That live in this beautiful sea;
Nets of silver and gold have we,”
Said Wynken,
Blynken,
And Nod.
The old moon laughed and sang a song,
As they rocked in the wooden shoe;
And the wind that sped them all night long
Ruffled the waves of dew;
The little stars were the herring-fish
That lived in the beautiful sea.
“Now cast your nets wherever you wish,—
Never afraid are we!”
So cried the stars to the fishermen three,
Wynken,
Blynken,
And Nod.
All night long their nets they threw
To the stars in the twinkling foam,—
Then down from the skies came the wooden shoe,
Bringing the fishermen home:
‘Twas all so pretty a sail, it seemed
As if it could not be;
And some folk thought ’twas a dream they’d dreamed
Of sailing that beautiful sea;
But I shall name you the fishermen three:
Wynken,
Blynken,
And Nod.
Wynken and Blynken are two little eyes,
And Nod is a little head,
And the wooden shoe that sailed the skies
Is a wee one’s trundle-bed;
So shut your eyes while Mother sings
Of wonderful sights that be,
And you shall see the beautiful things
As you rock in the misty sea
Where the old shoe rocked the fishermen three:—
Wynken,
Blynken,
And Nod.
Wink, wink.
Nod, nod.
So true.
“sortition” ?
Why ? There would be many “volunteers”….lol
The real question is actually this: ‘What mandate does Greta Thunberg actually have to call herself ‘a global authority on climate’?’
1. has she been elected?
2. Has she been acclaimed by unrepresentative media organisations?
3. Have any of her visions, ideas, theories, been put to the test?
I am not anti Ms Thunberg per se. I developed an acute instinctive sense of how Alpine snow patterns might play out several months ahead without resorting to computer modelling, detailed physics or the like. I used it to decide when to have ski holidays and found I made very good choices for about seven years. I did not make any money out of it, did not become the guru to Greenpeace. I did accrue some covert interest from various parties in Switzerland…. And I also learned that I had zoned into certain PDO/AMO states which did not last forever….so I had to make adjustments at a time when I was no longer in the mountains most weekends of the year.
But if she wishes to be an authority not some cult deity, she must be comfortable having her views challenged.
During the Roman warming period, (that hasn’t vanished yet) Rome thrived. When the earth cooled off again, Rome fell.
I want to see whether or not Greta gets back on that boat. Does she make it to Chile? Inquiring minds want to know.
Just five minutes ago I read a fawning BS propaganda story about this little brat on Reuters news service. Something about how adult world leaders need to listen to this wise child. Man oh man. It is beyond words. The new Saint Greta, born of a virgin innocent and holy. Has the world gone completely bonkers?
I often comment to climate alarmists that they CAN live like the Amish if they so choose, of course they keep on using fossil fuels every day.
The main question to Great Greta, is this one. Why did you choose a tiny little boat of only 60 ft to bring you over the Atlantic ocean. As an experienced mariner, I know very well that the sea out there is often awful. I don’t know if you suffer from airfright (i.e., am frightened of flying in aircraft, or it is the shame of flying, that many Swedes seem to suffer from nowadays). Anyhow, I would at least think twice, if not thrice to cross the Atlantic in a 60-footer. Remember that the waves will be up to 5 – 6 m high, they will have lengths of between 80 and 120 m, and will be travelling at speeds up to 80 km per hour. It is not the wave height or length that is the worst, but the duration and speed. If you have to cross through a typical north Atlantic cyclone, it is pretty rough. Afte about 5 hours in the seasaw, you’re body will start to give up and you are left with fright and homesickness, perhaps even the dreaded sea sickness. However, the only comfort is that when you step ashore, you will start feeling good again. Especially if you go to the nearest bar / pub and take a beer to level yourself off, as most seafarers do, when they come ashore. Good luck Great Greta ! And bless the weather and the climate on your way over there…
That’s too good! Here’s the animation:
Why do people continue to give this child publicity? She is obviously not qualified to speak to the technical aspects of climate change, or any other scientific discipline for that matter, so why not just ignore her?
Hear! hear!
You are perhaps making a supposition here as far as Greta’s chosen method of choice. The point of it, is to leave a smaller carbon foot-print. And who said they let the child choose the method anyway? Maybe they’d already chosen the method of travel before they chose her… And these statistics of yours portray what is happening now, and Greta’s argument speaks of what will happen if a global temp. below the 1.5 degree value by 2030, we will have crossed the point of no return; in which case negates the point of any argument in the first place. Can’t she just pay someone to stick a hose above the clouds and seed it with fake snow?
Kids used to grow up reading fairy tales about Hansel and Gretel.
Now they read fairly tales from Hansen and Greta.
good one! +++++ many:-)))
ALL swede have sea / ocean experience, the socialist in extremes:
Breivig Utoya Island –
https://www.google.com/search?q=breivik+island+video&oq=breivig+island&aqs=chrome.
Hope “epic” is appropriate in PC speech.
Buy a map.
The point isn’t Greta, sweet sixteen.
The problem is politicians from States- to UN’s, bewitched by a sweet little sixteen.
The point is us voting them – culpa nostra, culpa nostra, maxima culpa nostra.
Give her the benefit of the doubt – perhaps she is trying to make a point to her fellow-greenies. Something like: why must thousands of people travel such long distances by jet aircraft when these conferences could be held online? Greta might have hidden depths.
Two Steve McQueen quotes from a movie the title of which escapes me at the moment might describe the logic that drives Greta:
“A fellow took off all his clothes and jumped on a cactus because he thought it was a good idea at the time.”
“A fellow jumped off a 10-story building, and as he passed each floor, folks asked him how it was going, to which he cheerfully replied, ‘So far, so good!'”
Well, Greta will have a long time to give considered answers to your questions Joe, as she slowly traverses the Atlantic.
Perhaps we could help find a bigger ocean for her to cross extremely slowly without the power of fossil fuels.
Most of us understand that this is a perfect illustration of virtue signalling grandstanding, and makes no sense in terms of actual CO2 emissions.
Today’s Boeing 787s and Airbus 350 series have fuel consumption rates equivalent to 2L/100km/passenger – for perspective, you’d need at all times to have four people in your run of the mill 8l/100 km passenger car to match that- so her sin portion of the 6000 km Stockholm to JFK flight would amount to 120l of fuel.
Not counting the considerable emissions involved in the materials and construction of the 60 ft yacht is apples to oranges, but par for the course for the virtue signallers.
then there is the whole getting home thing