Questions for Greta

Reposted from CFACT

By Joe Bastardi |August 1st, 2019|Climate

Climate Activist Greta Thunberg is planning to sail the North Atlantic on a boat with zero carbon emissions (though made of hydrocarbons) to attend United Nations climate summits in New York and Chile.

We’re only six weeks away from the height of the hurricane season.  Relative to averages,  I’ve been expecting it will be FURTHER NORTH that more tropical development than normal is expected.  This makes Greta’s voyage, to put it nicely, a bold idea. Maybe that’s the plan.  Draw attention to north Atlantic storms, which as we all know happen multiple times almost every year, but if it causes problems here, can be used to advance an agenda.

Now I have to be careful about any “criticisms” of this climate spokesperson, So I am not going to criticize her, but instead will ask a few questions that might get attention.  If questioning is criticism, its only because the person claiming it has an agenda to avoid answering the question.  I am well aware any and all criticism nowadays of someone like this can get me accused of being abusive to children or a misogynist.  So no criticism, just some things I would like to see her address given her lofty position as a spokesperson for the climate

I am assuming it’s still OK to question authority in pursuit of the truth.  The fact I have to waste half this post on explaining this, shows how bad things are getting.

Fair enough?

First of all, is not Greta’s chosen method of transportation an INDICTMENT of the idea we can even think about getting off fossil fuels?  Who has the resources and backing to get a fancy yacht and cross the Atlantic?  And how is taking the way we cross oceans back to the time of Columbus anything but counter to progress?  So only under very special circumstances, extraordinary resources, and several weeks where you can do nothing, is this even possible.

As to the Current climate emergency:  I would like to know what Greta opposes in the following items

Climate-related deaths

climate_deaths(4)

image.gif Is this not a major positive?

Personal GDP and life expectancy globally in the fossil fuel era:

image.gifHow is this a negative?

More food being grown:

image.gifThe earth Greener than its ever been in the satellite era:

image.gifWhy are past times that were warmer than today referred to as “climate optimums?”  How did that morph into a “climate crisis?”

I have more questions, but again, I don’t want to pile on.  Addressing facts directly, which run counter to the missive being pushed, would be helpful if they expect skeptics like me to get “on board” an elite racing yacht anytime soon.  Though I doubt you’ll see me, or 99.9% of the population of the world, have any chance to travel by yacht from Europe to the USA, then Chile.

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  • Joe BastardiJoe Bastardi is a pioneer in extreme weather and long-range forecasting. He is the author of “The Climate Chronicles: Inconvenient Revelations You Won’t Hear From Al Gore — and Others” which you can purchase at the CFACT bookstore.
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159 thoughts on “Questions for Greta

  1. Thanks, Joe. That was refreshing.

    The inhabitants of the world into which Greta was born are so much better off than those of the one you and I were born into way back when (I’m a few years older than you)…all thanks to progress powered by fossil fuels.

    Regards,
    Bob

    PS: I still watch your daily updates and Saturday summaries at Weather Bell. Link for those who don’t:
    https://www.weatherbell.com/

    • … progress …

      That word has seriously fallen out of usage. It’s like we have lost our vision of a better future.

      We are living in a golden age. We should be grateful. People like Greta have no clue and therefore have no gratitude.

      The idiots who think we should end western culture don’t have a viable alternative. So, that’s my question for Greta. What alternative do you have for western civilization?

      • We are becoming the first generation of humans to go backwards – seemingly out of choice.

        • Not quite.

          Only some humans (most of us) will be required to go backwards. The folks calling the shots will be just fine.

          Which brings us to the whole “choice” issue. A tiny minority persuade the majority to chose to go backwards….i suspect things might not turn out quite like that….!

        • No we are not.

          Where are Roman Britons now? Where are the Mayans, that Aztecs, The Toltecs, The hittites..

          Civilisations come, develop, become too stupid to run themselves and collapse back to peasant subsistence farming, every few hundred years.

      • CommieBob perhaps we shouldn’t be taking the people pushing this agenda at their word.
        I don’t think ‘The idiots who think we should end western culture don’t have a viable alternative’ because I think they think they’re really good people that are ‘saving’ the planet.

        And the ones that really do think we should end western culture aren’t doing so inadvertently, aren’t idiots and don’t want us to have a viable alternative.

        Anyone wondering who they might be and where they’re located, follow the carbon dioxide. Hint: Its where one finds Eastern culture.

      • And yet those who lose all the comforts of life because they choose to will be the first to cry and complain about all they lost. Especially when they realize all their climate efforts were for nothing.

      • I once debated with a hard core anarchist who was convinced that the biggest mistake mankind ever made was to abandon the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

        The fact that people who lived that lifestyle eagerly gave it up when they had the chance was completely lost on that guy.

    • You can still book travel on ocean liners bound on routes between the UK and North America. What could be better than a nice, stately cruise across the Atlantic on Norwegian Cruise Line’s Norwegian Breakaway or the RMS Queen Mary 2. I may be old-fashioned, but I would rather travel by ship or by rail, since they are both still available, than by air. Because air passengers can be so obnoxious now, the only place I can think of that I”d like to visit is Poland, a NATO country where we have a new base under construction.

        • Excellent! Making the planet green is the green thing to do. (Carbon dioxide is plant food.)

        • During 2017 more than 4 billion people traveled by air. In 2020 more than 5 billion people are expected to fly. I wonder how many sailing ships this translates to.

        • yeah;-) I DO hope Gretas boat owners/insurers and crew and she are signing a NO rescue unless its not fossil fueled also clause?

      • Missing the point slightly there Sara.

        Yes you can book very nice stately cruises from A to B. Likewise you can book very nice stately rail journeys from A to B. The journey itself becomes the holiday experience because these methods of transport cannot compete with the transport methods (flying) selected by those who believe the destination is the holiday.

        This topic came up in conversation with some people in my social circle yesterday. We were talking about interstate train travel in Australia and it was pointed out that that rail passage on the Ghan (Adelaide to Darwin) now costs $7000. In context you can travel to London and back for that money FOUR TIMES and still have comfortable change to pick up your duty free plonk.

        The other point to be made here is if the Midnight Sun Monster/Nordic Thanos has her way and flying is banned then it does not automatically translate that international travellers will automatically transfer to nice stately cruises in honking big ocean liners. It translate to international travellers transferring to third class passage in nautical cattle class AND still using massive amounts of evil nasty fossil fuels and carbon.

        • i remember the old ghan and people could afford to travel on it because it was safer and cheaper than driving.
          now its the rich and tourists only

    • commieBob, how about ravens twisting heads sitting on tombstones at cemeteries in the howling night winds. Twisting heads.

      Alternatively.

      • Greta can see CO2, according to her mother. Some respect please. Just because you can’t see the carbon, doesn’t give you the right to criticize those who can.

    • The main question to Great Greta, is this one. Why did you choose a tiny little boat of only 60 ft to bring you over the Atlantic ocean. As an experienced mariner, I know very well that the sea out there is often awful. I don’t know if you suffer from airfright (i.e., am frightened of flying in aircraft, or it is the shame of flying, that many Swedes seem to suffer from nowadays). Anyhow, I would at least think twice, if not thrice to cross the Atlantic in a 60-footer. Remember that the waves will be up to 5 – 6 m high, they will have lengths of between 80 and 120 m, and will be travelling at speeds up to 80 km per hour. It is not the wave height or length that is the worst, but the duration and speed. If you have to cross through a typical north Atlantic cyclone, it is pretty rough. Afte about 5 hours in the seasaw, you’re body will start to give up and you are left with fright and homesickness, perhaps even the dreaded sea sickness. However, the only comfort is that when you step ashore, you will start feeling good again. Especially if you go to the nearest bar / pub and take a beer to level yourself off, as most seafarers do, when they come ashore. Good luck Great Greta ! And bless the weather and the climate on your way over there…

      • One of my friends, who has extensive experience in this, suggested that a nuclear powered submarine, under the waves, is really the best way to travel the high seas. The CO2 release qwould be zero but levels inside can get quite high!

      • It will certainly be interesting to follow Greta’s voyage, I suppose she will keep her flock updated on facebook, if she is in a state to write anything, that is. But I really wonder if she understands what she is headed for (she has now left Stockholm for UK by train). It is no problem to stage an evacuation from the yacht if the hardship gets too much for her, but with her stubborn state of mind, will she accept it? Will it be too much of a loss of face to be rescued by a co2-spewing ship, or (even worse) a helicopter? The propaganda effect would be lost, she would the object of ridicule. But if she stays on board, during a long, hard voyage, her health may be affected. Did her family consider this, I wonder?

          • God will save her…
            A man is trapped on a rooftop in a flood…
            As the flooding waters reached the lip of the roof, A boat pulled up
            “Get in, we’ll take you to safety”
            “That’s OK, God will save me”
            2 hours later the water is up to the Chimny and another boat arrives
            “Get in, we’ll take you to safety”
            “That’s OK, God will save me”
            Another hour later and the water is up to the Man’s chin, A helocopter arrives
            “Get in, we’ll take you to safety”
            “That’s OK, God will save me”
            20 minutes later the water tops the man’s head and he drowns.
            He goes to heaven and confronts God.
            “I am devout. I prayed daily.
            Why did you forsake me and let me drown?”
            To which God replies…
            “I am uncertain what you mean,
            I sent you 2 boats and a Helocopter”
            God replied

      • Beer? But beer contains an awful lot of carbon dioxide (typically 100cl of CO2 for a 33cl can).

    • Are you not asking the wrong person? Shouldn’t you be asking her parents and the ‘climate change communicators’ who are using her for propaganda purposes?

      Greta has fixated on (whether due to Autism or not) the alarmist, worrying nonsense they have filled her head with. If any young person was informed, and became convinced, that they had no future and the world was going to end because of fossil fuels, manufacturing and climate change, they are likely to become depressed and damaged over the lack of potential future; which they should be encouraged to look forward to; not encouraged to get depressed about. Her parents and the alarmists using her are transferring their own fears and prejudices onto her. It is a form of child abuse, just the same as constantly telling a child they are evil, bad or naughty just because you think they are, because eventually they will lose all self esteem. Greta is able to regurgitate; without question or doubt, whatever they fill her head full of, which makes her very useful for the purposes of propaganda. Other children who have been fed this nonsense have merely become clinically depressed and attempted self harm or even suicide. You occasionally see video of them breaking down and crying about their perceived lack of future when they are interviewed. In Greta’s case, she likely feels she has a use by informing everyone that the end is nigh; unless we take a few thousand years back-step in development.

    • I wonder how Greta; and her parents; have been travelling around Europe? I doubt if it was on a bicycle or horse and cart.

  2. If we need the imput from a 16 year old truant to advise the world, we must be in a very sad state.

  3. Joe, you and other skeptics aren’t the only ones you won’t see on a racing yacht (aka sailboat with diesel back-up). Imagine all the 144 celebrity jets not flying into Sicily, but rather a flotilla of sails. (There were some yachts, but I don’t think any of them were sailboats.) Just imagine how much the work of Climate Change, Inc. would slow if they all had to use sail boats to meet up. That might cure the whole Global Climate Change crisis in itself.

  4. “Climate Activist Greta Thunberg is planning to sail the North Atlantic on a boat with zero carbon emissions (though made of hydrocarbons) to attend United Nations climate summits in New York and Chile.”

    Wonder if she’s prone to seasickness…

    • What happens when its time to go back?
      Presumably its a round tripe.
      Back on the boat is it?

    • I agree. In particular this was built for racing and not during the best months to sail the Atlantic to New York. I hope she makes it OK, but I am not sure that she is the one who made this decision.

    • “Wonder if she’s prone to seasickness…”

      She went two months without eating once (they say), so she can go two or three weeks without eating again. Does she know the five stages of seasickness? denial, nausea, sick, I think I will die, I want to die. That might really be child abuse.

      Feeling green — it should come naturally for her.

  5. I’d ask her PARENTS why they have allowed their daughter to travel on such a dangerous form of transport at her age. Isn’t this a form of child abuse?

    • The parents are the puppeteers- well known ultra woke upper class Swedish progressive elite.

      And yes, this is child abuse by any definition and should be called out as such unreservedly.

      We are dealing with the exploitation and abuse of a minor who – like my second grandson- is at the the “milder” end of the autism spectrum.

      By definition emotionally and socially challenged special needs children, who because of their handicap cannot gauge other people’s and their own emotions but who through therapy can be socialized into rote behaviour and use of language.

      Greta fits the mould to a T and her automaton like demeanour is being abused for propaganda purposes. Revolting.

      • ” … abuse of a minor … ”
        She is 16. Made to look younger. 16 is not a minor in many jurisdictions. I have been involved in the “intervention” (deprogramming, de-brainwashing) of a person who was very like Greta. I feel sorry for her. One day when this scam has finally fallen apart, the sycophants will abandon Greta. She could become more disturbed, possibly suicidal, or perhaps even vengeful. I hope she gets the help she needs but has always been deprived of.

    • Waddya mean, allow?! Her father at least is going with her. He’s making a film or writing a book about it all, or something.

      It’s Mommy and Daddy that are pulling the strings here.

    • It is not a dangerous form of transport if you know what you’re doing. The yacht isn’t the problem. The problem is that its Hurricane season.

  6. I doubt she’s literate in English? Here’s another question. What level of CO2 in the atmosphere would she like to see and how long might it take to get there? (The silly Guardian paper chronicles today’s level and says 350 is ‘safe’ )

  7. She is entirely likely to be airlifted off this boat after the first bit of bad weather.

    A hurricane is another thing entirely. Had her parents taken the time to read ‘Left for Dead’, the true story of one man’s tragedy, surviving a hurricane which hit the 1979 Fastnet Race they would not let her go, and I’m surprised the authorities, never mind the crew, have allowed her to participate in this voyage.

    It had been Nick Ward’s childhood ambition to sail in the Fastnet Race, and being asked to join the crew of the 30-foot yacht Grimalkin was a dream come true. But then the storm hit. Grimalkin was capsized again and again. With the skipper lost overboard, after hours of struggle three of the crew decided to abandon the boat for the liferaft. Nick and another crewmember, both unconscious, were left on the beleaguered yacht in the middle of the Irish Sea. Both were presumed dead. Gerry died a few hours later, and Nick was left to face the storm alone.” (Amazon.)

    The race is held barely a few miles offshore yet 15 sailors across the fleet lost their lives.

    An utterly harrowing book. Nor did the boat simply capsize, Nick later figured out the Grimalkin pitchpoled (meaning turned end-over-end).

    Not dissimilar to Susie Goodall, participating in a 30,000-mile solo race around the globe which saw the total loss of her yacht when it also pitchpoled during a ferocious storm with 60-knot winds, leaving her stranded 2,000 miles west of South America’s Cape Horn, with help two days away.

    She told rescuers by Sat Phone that “I was thrown across the cabin and knocked out for a while. The only thing left is the hull and deck which remain intact.”

    “Goodall’s misfortune actually came after she’d emerged from another storm….”The seas were coming from four directions and I kept being knocked down,” she said at the time, noting “it took me a week to recover.” “TOTALLY AND UTTERLY GUTTED,” “CLINGING ON IN MY BUNK,” “IN NEED OF A GOOD CUPPA TEA,” read her tweets.” (https://www.newser.com)

    Nick and Susie were experienced sailors. I have no idea what level of sailing knowledge or ability Greta has, but during weather even approaching that Nick and Susie endured, she will become a liability if she hasn’t been sailing since a very young age.

    • “I have no idea what level of sailing knowledge or ability Greta has”

      But you can be sure that she will be telling the crew how to do it.

    • The question I would ask Greta; has she ever seen the movie “”the perfect storm”.
      also is she aware that in winter, the storms on the Great lakes can sink steel cargo ships.

      next has she taken into consideration that if they run into a truly bad storm her little “stunt” will be putting the lives of flight crews sent to rescue her at grave risk?
      Does she know how many coast guard crews have been lost trying to save the crews of ships that had a real need to be out on the seas.

      michael

      • Maybe the on-board PA system should entertain Greta and the crew with “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” as the yacht leaves the harbor.

        “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” is a song written, composed, and performed by Canadian singer-songwriter Gordon Lightfoot to commemorate the sinking of the bulk carrier SS Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior on November 10, 1975.

      • If Greta runs into trouble at see and has to be saved by fossil-fueled rescuers, that wouldn’t be such a bad story.

  8. Thank you Joe, your weekly update and daily brief are the reference I use to try to get people to really look at and understand the weather. I’m finding that liberal arts majors go glassy-eyed quickly, but those in the hard sciences love the information. I hope that WeatherBell is getting commercial subscriptions as a result.

    Keep it up! Semper Fi!

  9. I’m curious how much food will be brought over on the sailing voyage, and more specifically, how much organic carbon will be contained in that food. Then we can trace that organic carbon back through the food chain to ‘discover’ that it was all sourced from atmospheric CO2.

    CO2 feeds life, even when you’re on a sailboat.

    Maybe they’ll see a blue whale at sea:
    Blue whales consume Krill
    Krill consume phytoplankton
    Phytoplankton consume CO2

  10. If we get rid of our jet airliners, then one possible solution for carbon free international travel would be to construct a fleet of thirty-five knot nuclear powered ocean liners — at least for those who aren’t averse to traveling in close proximity to a nuclear reactor for two to three weeks at a time.

  11. You are right in that criticism of Greta is largely pointless. She’s just an ignorant kid and a tool. It’s the adults that promote and shower her with adulation that should be questioned and held accountable.

  12. Mr. Bastardi, the questions you pose are very good but irrelevant because it only matters how Greta feels about climate change.

  13. Arguing with Climatistas like Greta Thunberg is a total waste of breath. This is a religious, faith-based movement in which Mankind is fallen, and must atone to be redeemed.

    • “This is a religious, faith-based movement in which Mankind is fallen, and must atone to be redeemed.”

      Redemption will occur when we are all transformed into Mann-kind.

  14. How many resources will the yacht crew and passengers consume in the 20 day crossing as compared to the 8 hours by jet?

    • I would assume that they crew will consume about 20 days of food during those 20 days. Why is it important to attribute where they eat other than to note that for extended trips extended provisions are needed and require ability to transport the supplies with the expedition. That requirement only determines the ratio between the size of crew and vessel.
      If I were planning on going nowhere for 20 days I would still need 20 days of provisions regardless of my location.

      Such a statistic could be calculated but would be rather meaningless as the people involved will still be eating regardless of their locations.

      • Rather think of it as a goal proposition rather than a process. One, one way trip across the Atlantic can either take 20 people 20 days of which only a few are passengers versus pilots and flight attendants totaling 10 or so to complete a trip in 8 hours for hundreds of passengers.

        The point is that the yacht has a per passenger trip carbon footprint orders of magnitude greater than is being portrayed.

        • And how their food is cooked. LPG? Diesel electric? Or maybe they plan to subsist on hard tack, pork fat and a lime a day like the 18th century Royal Navy. Hard to believe they would use a wood stove on such a state of the art fiberglass built, nylon or (horror!) carbon fiber sail powered (except for the diesel backup) and probably polyurethane painted vessel like that.

          Come on, Greta! If you really want to revert to the 18th century, go all the way. Wood ship, canvas sails and 3 knots average speed and 2 months at sea. Or better yet, a Viking longship and row your way across like your ancestors did to Greenland, back in the warm days when there were trees there.

      • Except for how the food was grown and transported. Tractors, trucks, container ships, beef, pork, chicken, all CO2 free?

  15. This Voyage will end before it starts when she finally gets to see inside the boat. It’s only slight hyperbole to suggest it was more comfortable being cargo on the middle passage, or as the propulsion system in an Ottoman galley.

  16. The young person wouldn’t be alive if it were not for the industrial revolution, and she thinks that was a bad thing.

  17. Thank you Joe for an informative and useful posting – showing us information that the serial incompetents and dissemblers at the BBC will make sure the British people are never allowed to see.

  18. Why is she sailing at all? Just what aside from sight seeing, fancy dining and luxurious spa treatments will any of these elitists accomplish traveling to New York and Chile?
    Anything they need to discuss or discover is available through the internet and if they need to conference about it they can use skype.
    They certainly don’t need Greta the mascot to figure out a way to solve their “Crisis” Which is never a serious discussion at these conferences because there is nothing they can do to control GST. But all this travel provides fodder for the media to regurgitate the same hyperbole about the end being nigh The media alarmists never ask any real questions of these con artists in the climate industrial complex. And they will certainly never allow reports on the benefits of fossil fuel to hit see the light of day.

  19. “We’re only six weeks away from the height of the hurricane season.”

    We could only hope…

    • We could only hope that the leftist religion does not acquire a young martyr who will be reported to have died from the effects of climate change.

      • I hope she makes it safe and sound without a storm in sight
        “See how calm the seas are thanks to a little additional CO2?”

  20. I see that the graphs for personal GDP, life expectancy and food supply are genuine hockey sticks!

  21. We know the boat has a diesel engine. Do we know if there is a back up crew either sailing alongside or coming by plane?

    As a brit I remember our virtue signalling prime minister cycling to No 10 whilst a car followed discreetly behind carrying all his official papers. Is there going to be something similar here. All joking aside it is a very dangerous and some might say irresponsible thing to do to sail the atlantic in a small boat at this time of the year. Rather pointless as well, because as a society we can’t turn the clock back 500 years and do everything in slow motion

    tonyb

  22. It’s a “no-lose” scenario for greenmunists…. she makes the trip and is lauded for her green ethic…..or she goes down with the ship or is extracted from it due to adverse weather, showing that climate change is a serious threat….even if she decides not to go so that she doesn’t miss any speaking engagements….still a press those “Donate” buttons opportunity….

  23. And how is taking the way we cross oceans back to the time of Columbus anything but counter to progress?

    What are you talking about? Greta’s chosen boat is the latest and greatest in modern racing technology. There is absolutely no comparison to a pair of 15th century Caravels and a big fat slow sow of a freighter. That is absurd.

    Questions can and should be asked, but let’s keep it relevant.
    Questions for Greta:
    1) What are proper emergency radio procedures?
    When notifying authorities of disaster, communications must be clear and unambiguous.
    2) What is your Man Overboard procedure?
    Every crew member has a job to do, working the sails, communications, spotting the wet crewman, etc.
    3) What do you do if you are the one in the water?
    Know your part.
    4) What is your part in an on-board fire?
    Again, everybody has a part to play.
    5) How is your celestial navigation?
    All the high-tech toys in the world will do you no good when the minions of Poseidon put the zap on the boat’s electricals. Yes, it happens. A Lot. (Seawater and electronics just do not play well together.)
    6) How is your First-Aid?
    Accidents happen, be prepared.
    7) Can you cook?
    The boat has a small galley. Those who stand watch, and those who cook. One or the other.
    8) Can you cook, in a rolling seaway? Without burning yourself?
    See #6, above. Also, do you like soup? Do you really, Really like soup?
    9) Do know how deathly seasick you are going to be?
    (Never mind the soup.) You will be wishing to die, to end it all. You will even want to jump overboard. See #3 above.
    10) Do you have any idea how deliriously happy you are going to be when they finally put you ashore in St. John’s, Newfoundland?
    St. John’s is on a point of land which goes far to the East and is your first landfall after Greenland. It historically has been the “Last Chance” option before the big crossing when going East. It is also your first emergency stop and return to civilization when heading west, as you will see.

    Helpful tips for sailing:
    1) On a sailboat, everything is connected to everything else. A good crew member makes sure it stays that way.
    2) Water on the outside, air on the inside.
    3) The Mast goes up, the keel goes down. Any other arrangement is considered bad form and could break something.
    4) You are not allowed to kill any other crew member, no matter what happens.

    We all just want you to be safe and have a nice trip.
    ************************************************
    All humor aside:
    Such a trip might be the best possible thing for this girl. The first thing you realize is just how *big* the world is. Then you come to understand how utterly insignificant you are when confronted with the forces of nature. You might realize that things are not really quite the way they were explained to you.
    They say “Travel broadens the mind”. This is true.

  24. Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    -C. S. Lewis

  25. 1. Why can’t Gret5a be criticized? She deserves it.

    2. A boat made if hydrocarbons is “green!” That’s sequestered carbon in there it’s not polluting the atmosphere in the form of CO2.

  26. You have to wonder how it only took a couple of generations to go from, “thank God for industrial society“ to “crush industrial society.“ My father grew up during the Great Depression, and thanks to poverty subsisted on things like old lard spread on a piece of bread for supper. My mother’s mother was born in a sod-roofed hut in the middle of the plains. Her little sister was carried off by scarlet fever at age 9.

    Oh, that’s right: the Sixties happened! Ungrateful entitled swine flourished on a steady diet of Marxism and developed the dominant cultural narrative that persists to this day. “Anthropogenic climate change“ is just one of many myths generated in order to advance the suicidal agenda of environmental sock puppets and their puppet masters, who long ago positioned themselves to rake even more jar-dropping wealth than they already have. Then while our nations totter, they can all f.o. to places like the Caymans, Switzerland, Belize, and so on.

    Then we can turn on people like Greta’s parents, Roger Hallam, Michael Mann, and all the other poor suckers left behind. I for one will be happy to see “sortition” applied in the matter of who gets to pull the lever.

    • Switzerland is too picky to accept these people on a permanent basis. There is a difference between accepting people for ski vacations and conferences, and allowing them to stay permanently.

      You are required to be able to speak at least three languages if you want to stay in Switzerland permanently. That’s only one of their rules.

      • Glad to hear it! If there are ANY remaining countries where money can’t literally buy you anything you want, that’s the best news I’ve heard today.

      • “You are required to be able to speak at least three languages if you want to stay in Switzerland permanently. That’s only one of their rules.”

        Rubbish, you need reasonable fluency in the language of your Canton. Permit Cs arent that hard to get if you want t make an effort.

        • Tina Turner is a good example. She took a test to prove she had sufficient mastery of German in her Canton (Zurich) to become a Swiss citizen, which she is now.

  27. Well, using gullible, obnoxious teenagers like that HOGG kid and his gang of STOOGES in Florida to push gun control has created a template for this sort of child abuse and manipulation to gain access to venues closed to the adult stooges and worn out useful idiots who have pushed idiotic social issues for decades. When will the world wise up to the strategy and reject it in favor of sound evidence and common sense?

  28. Asking intelligent questions seems to be the way forward out of this mess? Insisting on a thorough answer before allowing the other to deflect with a question volleyed back at you, seems the best way to handle the deflection tactic.
    If they refuse to answer your question thoughtfully and thoroughly, there’s no need to waste time and energy.

    Simply expose the attempt you made, so that others can see for themselves and assess accordingly.

  29. I suggest that we all simply stop talking about this mentally-disabled child. She is no authority on anything. As long as we keep talking about her, she just becomes more the subject than the realities of climate performance, which is all that matters.

    I’m certainly sick of reading about her here on WUWT.

    Let’s go back to science and engineering.

    • From where I sit, and every bit of alarmist “news” posted here confirms it, our adversaries couldn’t care less about science. They learned MANY years ago that the average person is far more disposed to believe doom prophecies than truth, because both their “education” and the media have dumbed them down while training them to focus on negativity and to disparage the achievements of Western culture. The puppet masters are wringing their greasy paws with glee; it was all so incredibly easy!

      In brief, science has long since left the building and *obviously* isn’t helping. I don’t know how this is all going to play out, but I’m quite certain that convincing the masses they’ve been gulled and shamelessly used isn’t going to happen, period, not with $100 trillion at stake and the media on board. You can’t prepare for the unexpected, but you can stay alert.

      And if you’re of a religious bent, pray for nothing less than a bloody miracle.

  30. Wynken, Blynken, and Nod
    Eugene Field – 1850-1895

    Wynken, Blynken, and Nod one night
    Sailed off in a wooden shoe,—
    Sailed on a river of crystal light
    Into a sea of dew.
    “Where are you going, and what do you wish?”
    The old moon asked the three.
    “We have come to fish for the herring-fish
    That live in this beautiful sea;
    Nets of silver and gold have we,”
    Said Wynken,
    Blynken,
    And Nod.

    The old moon laughed and sang a song,
    As they rocked in the wooden shoe;
    And the wind that sped them all night long
    Ruffled the waves of dew;
    The little stars were the herring-fish
    That lived in the beautiful sea.
    “Now cast your nets wherever you wish,—
    Never afraid are we!”
    So cried the stars to the fishermen three,
    Wynken,
    Blynken,
    And Nod.

    All night long their nets they threw
    To the stars in the twinkling foam,—
    Then down from the skies came the wooden shoe,
    Bringing the fishermen home:
    ‘Twas all so pretty a sail, it seemed
    As if it could not be;
    And some folk thought ’twas a dream they’d dreamed
    Of sailing that beautiful sea;
    But I shall name you the fishermen three:
    Wynken,
    Blynken,
    And Nod.

    Wynken and Blynken are two little eyes,
    And Nod is a little head,
    And the wooden shoe that sailed the skies
    Is a wee one’s trundle-bed;
    So shut your eyes while Mother sings
    Of wonderful sights that be,
    And you shall see the beautiful things
    As you rock in the misty sea
    Where the old shoe rocked the fishermen three:—
    Wynken,
    Blynken,
    And Nod.

  31. The real question is actually this: ‘What mandate does Greta Thunberg actually have to call herself ‘a global authority on climate’?’

    1. has she been elected?
    2. Has she been acclaimed by unrepresentative media organisations?
    3. Have any of her visions, ideas, theories, been put to the test?

    I am not anti Ms Thunberg per se. I developed an acute instinctive sense of how Alpine snow patterns might play out several months ahead without resorting to computer modelling, detailed physics or the like. I used it to decide when to have ski holidays and found I made very good choices for about seven years. I did not make any money out of it, did not become the guru to Greenpeace. I did accrue some covert interest from various parties in Switzerland…. And I also learned that I had zoned into certain PDO/AMO states which did not last forever….so I had to make adjustments at a time when I was no longer in the mountains most weekends of the year.

    But if she wishes to be an authority not some cult deity, she must be comfortable having her views challenged.

  32. During the Roman warming period, (that hasn’t vanished yet) Rome thrived. When the earth cooled off again, Rome fell.

    I want to see whether or not Greta gets back on that boat. Does she make it to Chile? Inquiring minds want to know.

  33. Just five minutes ago I read a fawning BS propaganda story about this little brat on Reuters news service. Something about how adult world leaders need to listen to this wise child. Man oh man. It is beyond words. The new Saint Greta, born of a virgin innocent and holy. Has the world gone completely bonkers?

  34. I often comment to climate alarmists that they CAN live like the Amish if they so choose, of course they keep on using fossil fuels every day.

  35. The main question to Great Greta, is this one. Why did you choose a tiny little boat of only 60 ft to bring you over the Atlantic ocean. As an experienced mariner, I know very well that the sea out there is often awful. I don’t know if you suffer from airfright (i.e., am frightened of flying in aircraft, or it is the shame of flying, that many Swedes seem to suffer from nowadays). Anyhow, I would at least think twice, if not thrice to cross the Atlantic in a 60-footer. Remember that the waves will be up to 5 – 6 m high, they will have lengths of between 80 and 120 m, and will be travelling at speeds up to 80 km per hour. It is not the wave height or length that is the worst, but the duration and speed. If you have to cross through a typical north Atlantic cyclone, it is pretty rough. Afte about 5 hours in the seasaw, you’re body will start to give up and you are left with fright and homesickness, perhaps even the dreaded sea sickness. However, the only comfort is that when you step ashore, you will start feeling good again. Especially if you go to the nearest bar / pub and take a beer to level yourself off, as most seafarers do, when they come ashore. Good luck Great Greta ! And bless the weather and the climate on your way over there…

  36. Why do people continue to give this child publicity? She is obviously not qualified to speak to the technical aspects of climate change, or any other scientific discipline for that matter, so why not just ignore her?

  37. You are perhaps making a supposition here as far as Greta’s chosen method of choice. The point of it, is to leave a smaller carbon foot-print. And who said they let the child choose the method anyway? Maybe they’d already chosen the method of travel before they chose her… And these statistics of yours portray what is happening now, and Greta’s argument speaks of what will happen if a global temp. below the 1.5 degree value by 2030, we will have crossed the point of no return; in which case negates the point of any argument in the first place. Can’t she just pay someone to stick a hose above the clouds and seed it with fake snow?

  38. Kids used to grow up reading fairy tales about Hansel and Gretel.
    Now they read fairly tales from Hansen and Greta.

  39. The point isn’t Greta, sweet sixteen.

    The problem is politicians from States- to UN’s, bewitched by a sweet little sixteen.

    The point is us voting them – culpa nostra, culpa nostra, maxima culpa nostra.

  40. Give her the benefit of the doubt – perhaps she is trying to make a point to her fellow-greenies. Something like: why must thousands of people travel such long distances by jet aircraft when these conferences could be held online? Greta might have hidden depths.

    • Two Steve McQueen quotes from a movie the title of which escapes me at the moment might describe the logic that drives Greta:

      “A fellow took off all his clothes and jumped on a cactus because he thought it was a good idea at the time.”

      “A fellow jumped off a 10-story building, and as he passed each floor, folks asked him how it was going, to which he cheerfully replied, ‘So far, so good!'”

  41. Well, Greta will have a long time to give considered answers to your questions Joe, as she slowly traverses the Atlantic.

    Perhaps we could help find a bigger ocean for her to cross extremely slowly without the power of fossil fuels.

  42. Most of us understand that this is a perfect illustration of virtue signalling grandstanding, and makes no sense in terms of actual CO2 emissions.

    Today’s Boeing 787s and Airbus 350 series have fuel consumption rates equivalent to 2L/100km/passenger – for perspective, you’d need at all times to have four people in your run of the mill 8l/100 km passenger car to match that- so her sin portion of the 6000 km Stockholm to JFK flight would amount to 120l of fuel.

    Not counting the considerable emissions involved in the materials and construction of the 60 ft yacht is apples to oranges, but par for the course for the virtue signallers.

  43. And it came to pass that a maiden from the Norselands dwelt amongst the masses and sternly rebuked those who refused to believe.

    “Woe, woe, the great tribulations will descend upon the lands in 11 years and 7 months. Not one of you will be left with the breath if life and the fishes will boil alive. Woe woe, repent and return to the caves from whence you came., only the faithful will survive and live for evermore with the climate gods. Woe, woe, woe”

  44. St Great Thunderbox, so called because she’s been deliberatly filled with Schist, became a martyr to Climate Change when her boat sailed deliberatively into a hurricane, and an unknown crew member sick of her vapid vacuous virtue,threw the little brat overboard.

    Lacking and engine, the boat was unable to turn round and pick her up

    The crew member is understood to have blamed ‘Climate Change’ for making Hir mentally unstable…

    • What is it with the crappy shist jokes? Its pronounced shissssst. As in no schist Sherlock. Like i say, it’s not a joke.

  45. The greening graphic is and interesting one and probably needs some explanation. I am pretty sure the inhabitants of central Australia (really anyone more than 500km from the coast, and in many places 1km from the coast) would be slighly bemused by the graphic.

    Sadly the use of stuff like this and other unlabeled charts reduces the argument to the level of a Mann hockey stick.

    • agree it made me go HUH?
      even in the best flood years we dont see much green for long up the topends
      i guess some more scrubby weeds n spinifex got counted as greening?

  46. Tty:

    I was skeptical of this claim, but found this link, which backs you up:

    Large Cruise ship: 19.35 MPG per passenger
    Boeing 747-400: 91 MPG per passenger

    This reference (Fuel economy in aircraft gives a range of figures for different long-haul aircraft from a low of 71 MPG/seat (Airbus A330) to a high of 102 MPG/seat (Boeing 787-9) for flights exceeding 8,000 km. Shorter flights seem to have lower economy values.

    The two figures are not exactly comparable: ships use diesel oil and aircraft bun jet fuel; the two have different energy content by volume, but close enough.

    You also have to add it that the cruise ship passengers are consuming a lot more food while crossing the Atlantic, and all the resultant CO2 produced thereby.

    So if you’re worried about CO2, fly rather than sail.

    • Alan:

      “Large Cruise ship: 19.35 MPG per passenger
      Boeing 747-400: 91 MPG per passenger”

      Should it be 9.1 MPG for the 747? Otherwise, it does not seem quite logical , what you wrote.

  47. I made airplanes but both boats and airplanes of this type require positive pressure environmental suits for the workers laying down the hull/fuselage. Don’t even get me started on the hull coating to reduce drag and biological toxicity.

  48. I’ll wager Greta will never sail the Atlantic as announced.
    She will either not sail at all and fly instead.
    Or she will be ushered with a massive boat along side with a rescue crew to remove her at any time she gets discomforted.

  49. Yes, the yacht built by hydrocarbons may not EMIT any CO2, but you must remember that nowadays all severe storms and therefore all wind is “fossil fueled”.

    -gasp-

    So if she is traveling by fossil fueled wind power she’s still a hypocrite.

  50. This and similar posts are just fine. Yet I think it would be best not to pay any attention to Greta and her histrionics.

  51. “(though made of hydrocarbons)”

    That’s the key point. This is not a zero carbon trip. Even if she sailed on a boat made of wood, it would still take energy to build, man and supply the boat…energy that came mostly from burning stuff.

    The fact that this clueless little girl has become the face of the movement speaks to how empty it is.

    PS I’m typing this while flying first class across the pacific. CO2 is yummy.

  52. The kid is a liar, plain and simple. I don’t need science to explain why her claim of being able to see CO2 is complete BS. I’m not rich, but I’d bet her $100k in cash she would fail a controlled test. Kid has zero credibility, and I would be happy to tell her she is a liar, in person. I probably at best have another 25-30 years to go. Hate think it will be spent in a world dominated by evil people like that.

  53. Who was it who said, “If wind power was the answer, the ocean lanes of the world would be full of sailing ships.”

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