Pope Francis Demands The World Implement Carbon Pricing

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Pope Francis has demanded governments of the world punish the poor with regressive carbon pricing, to prevent an allegedly imminent anthropogenic climate catastrophe.

Pope to oil execs: We don’t ‘have the luxury’ to wait to fight climate change

Inés San MartínJun 14, 2019

ROME – Speaking to oil company executives, Pope Francis on Friday said that climate change “threatens the very future” of humanity, adding that the “doomsday predictions” can no longer be met with disdain.

“Time is running out!” Francis said. “Deliberations must go beyond mere exploration of what can be done, and concentrate on what needs to be done. We do not have the luxury of waiting for others to step forward, or of prioritizing short-term economic benefits.”

“The climate crisis requires our decisive action, here and now and the Church is fully committed to playing her part,” he said.

“Such a transition involves managing the social and employment impact of the move to a low-carbon society,” Francis said. “If managed well, this transition can generate new jobs, reduce inequality and improve the quality of life for those affected by climate change.”

On carbon pricing, the pontiff said that humanity is called to use natural resources “wisely,” and their use can only be considered ethical when the economic and social costs of using them are transparently acknowledged and “are fully borne by those who incur them, rather than by other people or future generations.”

Read more: https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/06/14/pope-to-oil-execs-we-dont-have-the-luxury-to-wait-to-fight-climate-change/

The evidence that cheap energy creates more economic opportunity than renewable energy is overwhelming.

Compare the moribund economic performance of Europe with the ongoing explosion of wealth and opportunity in the USA. While I am not denying the value of other Trump policies, there is no doubt that a significant factor in the ongoing boom in the USA is the shale gas revolution which started under President Obama, and President Trump’s efforts to keep it going, Trump’s efforts to eliminate regulatory obstacles to cheaper energy.

If a “managed” transition to renewables actually was a national economic opportunity, there would be no need for carbon taxes or other interventions, people would embrace renewables of their own free will. Renewable Europe would be the global economic leader, not the USA.

That “short term economic opportunity” his holiness sneered at has transformed lives. People in the USA who would otherwise have only known grinding poverty and want now have jobs, they now have real hope for a better future, better access to healthcare, and better educational opportunities for their kids. When oil, gas and coal finally run their course, decades or more likely centuries from now, the good all that “short term” money has done will remain.

Pope Francis’ profound economic, political and scientific ignorance on climate issues, and his apparent contempt for economic opportunities, short term or not, in my opinion has real potential to cause harm. For shame, Pope Francis.

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155 thoughts on “Pope Francis Demands The World Implement Carbon Pricing

  1. Eric

    “People in the USA who would otherwise have only known grinding poverty and {want} now have jobs”
    Unwanted “want” ? (Forgot how X things out..lol)

    • I’d like to make a deal with everyone on the left – I’ll accept what this Pope says about Global Warming, if they’ll accept everything the Roman Catholic Church teaches about abortion and gay marriage. How about it – deal???

      • Why is it funny? I don’t think that abusing people can ever be seen in that way. But, just as a matter of interst, who are ‘they’? Are you trying to suggest that the entire Cathoic Church is guilty of abuse? I might as well say that all men are guilty of abuse just because some men have committed abuse. How about showing a sense of proportion. Ah, but that would require a lack of prejudice and that wouldn’t be much fun would it?

        • The church is guilty not because all of them are child molesters but because they knew about it and covered it up.

          • Again all of them? I thought this blog was about fighting easy and simplistic statements through being accurate and with well supported evidence. not using any excuse to start endless and pointless offtopic discussions about religion and football topics…

  2. Bergoglio is very much into Liberation Theology, and is apparently accepting the watermelon part of being a leftist.

  3. Who ever thought that leading a massive global church that became fabulously wealthy through threats of spiritual harm and the selling of salvation would have made one such an eloquent spokesperson for the global warming scam.

    • Why not? First of all, he’d have to believe in God and I so rarely hear him mention God I have real doubts. Second, the global warming scam fits right in with being super rich and privileged while supporting the idea of poverty and despair for the masses. After all, how else can the rich stay rich? Now, as a “Christian” church leader, he’s a massive failure. But I can’t see there’s any evidence that was why he was put in the position he is. There were other motives and none were Christian.

      Monks, priests and nuns often took vows of poverty, so the idea that poverty is a virtue was already out there. It’s now being expanded to the entire globe, not just those who voluntarily give up wealth to serve God. It’s going to be mandatory, which is also very un-Christian.

    • Now Andy Patullo joins the mindless church bashing, reminiscent of the worship of not knowing anything at all, but being very proud of your ignorance. I thought Watts Up readers were people that generally knew what they are talking about, but it seems when it comes to religion, they are all about the level of kindergartners. And I say this as someone who thinks Pope Francis’s mindless babble about global warming shows him to be an idiot.

      • Peter GM

        Ok, knock off the holier-than-thou stuff. Based upon demonstrated behavior, it’s not like Catholic priesthood & their enablers are doing a bang-up (no pun intended) job of winning the public trust.

        Besides snide ad hominems, what EXACTLY was it in Andy Patullo’s 36-word comment that you consider inaccurate?

        ps: a real good first step to combating “mindless church bashing” would be to stop priests & enablers from sexually abusing parishioners’ kids, followed by throwing the offending bastards into jail.

        • Okay, Javert, you like facts and evidence. That’s all to be commeneded. But perhaps it might work the other way round. Perhaps you might like to provide some statistics which show that the extent of sexual abuse within ther Catholic Church is as great today as it was in the 1980s and 1990s. Have a look, for example, at all the investigations carried out by the legal authorities in the USA. The authorities bemoan the fact that most of the cases they uncover are incapable of being prosectited because they took place so long ago. It’s like the recent attempt to convict Cardinal Pell of sexual abuse. The incidents which are suposed to have taken place were all in the 1990s. Sexual abuse within the Catholic Church is far less of a problem today than it is in many other areas of life. eg. The public schools in the USA. The basic problemn is that the people who criticise the Catholic Church are really interested in the abuse; they are more interested in using it to bash the Catholic Church.

    • yeah;-) especially one that if it had full rein would have had every woman producing a child a year till she died, regardless of the ability to feed clothe educate or manage shelter for them

      crap like this from people like him is why religions are so damned UNattractive to the less gullible/those not raised in the “faith”

  4. 1. Interesting bit of religion there, Sparky.
    2. Could you perhaps explain in quantifiable measure how time is actually up?
    3. It’s not energy executives who are driving the need for coal, oil and gas.
    4. So, poverty’s a good thing, then?

      • Poverty builds character

        Poverty builds kills all characters it hits. Slowly, painfully, and in ugly ways. And the most immoral poverty is that imposed BY the government ONTO the people, for purposes of the government’s power, money, and control. Yes, this pope is an immoral socialist with no conscious, no soul.

          • I don’t think we can actually do that any more. He has shown a complete lack of character and belief in God and the church. I don’t think it’s lack of brains. Just can’t see it.

  5. Controlling CO2 emissions is strictly a Western European and North American cult. Eastern Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa could not care less about controlling their CO2 emissions.
    This statement might be in the tradition of the Catholic Church. It grew in part by adopting some of the customs and beliefs of the people that they converted to the Catholic faith. Mabye the Pope is trying to win back people who left the faith and embraced nature worship. Or, maybe the Pope is a jerk.

  6. ” … their use can only be considered ethical when the economic and social costs of using them are transparently acknowledged … ”

    How and by who?

  7. Why would the Pope ever demand that people get driven to the State to solve worldly problems? What is the message? Don’t pray, vote Democrat? Empower the State and Party that is doing everything possible to destroy the Church? News Flash, Jesus was protesting what were effectively taxes when he went on a rampage at the Temple, and he was eventually crucified by the corrupt Church Leaders who were aligned with the Roman State.

    • I grew up Catholic. I left the faith because it’s authoritarian tendencies and lack of focus on genuine spirituality. It is saturated with dark occult symbolism and dark ritual sacrifices with the elite members. To deny this is to lie to oneself. There is a copious amount of information from people exposing such acts.

      Masonic symbolism all throughout the Vatican. Same goes for the Temple of LDS in salt lake City. They mix ancient Babylonian mystery traditions with Judeo Christian values, and hide it from their constituent’s in plain sight, since they are mostly the unthinking, “unwashed masses”.
      There is very little to do with God in that agency.
      It’s all about power. Imagine the conceit of a man who claims to be the intercessor for humanity to God. It’s pure psychopathia. Minimum, it’s sociopathy. But it’s actually a seriously big con. They all know damn well none of it’s real, just pedophile politicians in fancy robes.

      I would agree with your opinion, but I’m more inclined to call that an apt description.

      • Well Matthew, you are obviously a conspiracy nut, who thinks the freemasons rule the world. Oi vay.

  8. In 2009, Prince Charles said we had 8 years to save the planet. Pauchuri of IPPC said in 2007 that if no action was taken before 2012, it was too late to save the planet. So that’s why we have disdain for doomsday predictions, Mr. Pontiff. Think of those 2000 year old ones in Revelations…

    • The 2000 year old ones had no date applied to them. If you’re not smart enough to see the difference…..

      Also, Revelation is NOT a doomsday prediction but a statement about how the world will end. It’s not doomsday, it’s the natural end. I suppose if telling someone they will die one day is a doomsday prediction, you might call Revelation one. Otherwise, no. (I know this is often sold as doomsday, but that is as incorrect at the doomsday cult of CAGW. Misinterpretation of something does not make that version so.)

    • In 2009, Prince Charles said we had 8 years to save the planet. Pauchuri of IPPC said in 2007 that if no action was taken before 2012, it was too late to save the planet.

      Sounds like AOC is catching up on her reading but forgot to check the publishing dates.

  9. Franky is a climate scientist of course. I mean, he believes in climate science which is the same thing … isn’t it?

    • His alarmist words mark him as a member of the Climatism religion, so he is definitely a Climatist. With a Capital C.

    • Strange isn’t it that when anyone speaks in favour of global warming their lack of relevant education, training or experience is ignored. Put forward a good case against it without any of their approved background and you are dismissed with ad hominem abuse and ignored.

    • TomRude,
      the oil execs will lap this holy bovine faeces up and ask nicely for seconds.
      Gullible warming hysteria is a huge business opportunity (regardless of what the moonbats in the green blob or the useful idiots in the lame streammedia repetatively claim about sceptics being in the pocket of big oil).
      Simply, they know unreliable energy boondoggles have a snowball’s chance in hell of powering the world, so in the real world, EUssr energy policy becomes reliant on gas in lieu of coal (why compete with coal with a more expensive energy product, when a bit of lobbying could just make it go away?). It would be the same the USA takes a step back to the left and commits to a green new deal. Of course, notwithstanding the engineering realities that they fully understand, today’s oil companies are falling over themselves to erect some birdmincing virtue signals and splash picturesof them all over their webapages to keep Saint Greta’s sheeple placated and show how much they care, but indulging in a spot of subsidy mining now and then means some government money for nothing plus some green washing of the real business and the PC PR is a good return on a relatively minor budget distraction.
      After a few years racing to show a public commitment to whirly gigs (yesterday’s technology tomorrow) what’s coming now is the CCS scam. It’s been low key so far because it wouldn’t be ‘right’ to be seen competing with one’s unreliables ‘business’ while it’s been growing roots into public policy and purse. But now the push is on to urinate an awful lot of OPM (let’s call it ‘public/government support’) up a wall to create the infrastructure, indeed the whole new ‘business’, of sucking thin air out of industrial chimneys, shipping it somewhere and pumping it underground – and the ‘business case’ here is utterly dependant on this ‘carbon price’ they’re all in Rome to hear about. Without a ruinous ‘carbon price’, why on earth would anyone deliberately lose money paying someone from an oil company to take their captured thin air away? You can get a whole lot more visual virtue signalling for far less ‘investment’ than agreeing to play CCS. But if CO2 is exorbitantly ‘priced’ then CCS,provided it is slightly less of awasteofmoney than paying the carbon price/tax, could become a new lucrative industry, albeit nothing more than a pointless parasite industry. And that would be bad enough, but this parasite industry is one which you the tax payer will pay to build from scratch and then you the consumer will pay to keep running profitably. Money for nothing and your chicks for free.
      The next step after the CCS cancer takes hold of western energy policy is of course is convincing everyone to take their natural gas, throw away half the energy value of it, triple or quadrupple the price of the commodity and sell you explosive hydrogen instead of gas. And aside from producing more gas and then selling its derivative for more money, a hydrogen economy keeps the CCS boondoggle running lucratively. So if the world really did collectively loose its marbles and go ‘carbon neutral’, then it’s how oil executives keep their natural gas businesses goingin the brave new green world. Watch the UK lead the way off this cliff by the look of things; the EUssr will have gone broke and imploded before this nonsense takes hold I suspect.
      …So oil executive’s opinion on catholic liturgy will be a resounding “GO TEAM!” because it’s great for the bottom line, even if that seems counter-intuitive.

  10. Last week he was anti-poverty. This week he’s pro-poverty. It’s like the weather.

  11. Certainly he does not believe in a God who could prevent it’s finest creation from being destroyed.

  12. Another embarrassing issue for the Catholic Church.
    The last great blunder was threatening Galileo for his observations that there were moons rotating around Jupiter.
    At the time, the Vatican insisted that all heavenly bodies rotated around the Earth.
    It did confirm Copernicus.
    Perhaps the Vatican should retroactively condemn Galileo.
    The Cadaver Synod, which is also called the Cadaver Trail took place in 897.
    The body of a previous Pope who had been dead for almost a year was dug up and dressed in the complete finery of office. Put in chair and tried for heresy.
    When authoritarian politics becomes hysterical anything is possible.

    • Bob,
      Historical Summary of your post-
      Galileo- Geocentrism-Pope Urban VIII.
      Richard Lindzen- Climatism- Pope Francis I.
      ( Apologies to Professor Richard Lindzen for appropriating his name as représentative of many sceptical scientists, as Galileo was representative of Copernicus,Kepler and others advocating Heliocentrism).

  13. Pope Francis must believe in miracles if he thinks CO2 is the planetary driver of climate. He would be far better off to advocate for the cleaning up of raw pollution in the third world like dirty coal plant particle pollution, and ensuring the hundreds of millions ICE engines have effective basic pollution control equipment so that masses aren’t choking on noxious fumes. Real pollution of all kinds is really killing a lot of people and making their lives shorter with sickness. We have fixed a lot of basic pollution in the West, but anyone who has travelled to the third world will realize how bad the basic pollution has become.

    Let’s fix what we got first before we price fossil fuels out of the market with carbon taxes and make things even worse. There isn’t any effective wholesale replacement yet for our energy requirements such as what FF’s provide so ensuring things are as clean as possible with FF’s would be a much better future outcome. Future climate woes from CO2 are only speculative while we know with 100% certainty that real pollution is a killer which we have somewhat curtailed in the West. After all, this is really what this is about, given that the world has mistaken ‘carbon’ pollution of a trace invisible inert GHG gas for real actual pollution that actually lowers and ends quality of life on a measurable basis over a vast area of the good Earth.

  14. This is a direct message to the Pope from a very dissatisfied catholic …
    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge; because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.

    This person standing as the Pope offers no knowledge, no understanding, so he condemns the poor and the less well off to shortened lives of penury where they are prey to the rich and powerful. Has Yeshua’s church been so corrupted as to now actively seek the pillaging of the poor by the politically powerful?

    • it was always a scam. As all religion are. Spirituality and religion are two completely different thing

  15. Shouldn’t the pope be talking to his god, not oil executives, about solving the problem? After all, it is supposed to be his creation which he obviously screwed up.

    • Probably should be talking to his priests about child safety but lets face it this is all deflection to try and put out positive spin for the church.

    • Yeah, next time he is on a intercontinental flight, he should demonstrate his faith by asking the pilot to dump all of the fuel in mid-flight. Then he can know whether it is possible to survive without fossil fuels.

  16. Francis said. “If managed well, this transition can generate new jobs, reduce inequality and improve the quality of life for those affected by climate change.”

    Translation, only poor third world citizens will be affected by climate change, so we’ll tax everyone else and dole out the money where we think it’s needed, after it passes through a million sticky fingers.

    • His ““If managed well …” says it all. He obviously believes that there can be some sort of competent, worldwide governing body that will run things well.

      The likely result of such a scheme: War, starvation, subjugation, etc. You know, all the good things socialism gave the world in the 20th Century. It took the capitalist U.S. to repeatably pull the World’s (chest) nuts out of the fire. We’re having to do it again with China, Iran, North Korea and all the other power-hungry dictatorships.

  17. The more hysterical the alarmists become, the easier it becomes to see though their rhetoric.

  18. I’m Catholic, and a professional scientist. So I feel the need to say a few things.

    The business of climate change and it’s caused and likely future is outside the competence of the pope – any pope.

    This pope’s response is not consistent with Catholic teaching. See how he cites … himself. I’m afraid that’s typical.

    It is right for the Church to exhort Catholics and others to care for creation. But that doesn’t mean naively promoting fashionable political causes like this – quite the opposite, in fact.

    It’s all very sad; depressing, even.

  19. Let’s start with implementing church doctrine as a means to obtain a carbon-free world:
    First, require that all good Catholics do not eat any carbohydrate foods on Fridays.
    Next, one year later, extend that to Fridays and Saturdays.
    Next, after an addition year, extend that to Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays.
    . . . and so on.

    By my calculation, after six or seven years, people will be saying “Remember the Pope and the Catholic Church?” That will still leave five or six years before the end-of-the-world :-))

  20. This pope doesn’t even understand Christianity, which should be his one area of expertise. He thinks Jesus messed up the Lord’s Prayer.

  21. Climate Change is the socialist’s last big hope of controlling the world’s economy. They are not going to give in. The over population scare bombed out. If they lose this battle I’m not sure what else they have to scare millions into submission. It’s just very sad that they’ve been able to co-oped the Pope into spreading the propaganda. They will stop at nothing.

  22. “A Sale of Indulgences by any other name would smell as “Sweet””

    And people wonder why I refer to myself as a “Recovering Catholic”😄😄😄

    • All the protestant reformers, through their study of the Bible believed that the papacy was antichrist, the
      man of sin, the little horn, the church that presided over the death of millions in the dark ages. The Church that claims to have changed the seventh day Sabbath to Sunday.

  23. The pope is to science what Archie is to great literature. The CAGW scam does dovetail with his worldwide socialist agenda though.

  24. if managed well

    Recall the cartoon where the fellow at a chalk board filled with equations points to:
    – – and then a miracle happens – –

  25. Subsequent Popes will rue the day on this; for history will severely challenge the wisdom of the Catholic Church which has never paid much attention to REAL science.
    As for the infallibility of the Pope myth: Does anyone believe that these days?

    • To be fair, papal infallibility has a very, very restricted remit. The pope is no more infallible when predicting the winner of the Derby than I am.

      Francis’ problem is that he was suckered by Schellnhuber, thanks to the machinations of several German bishops. The day he declares that belief in the pronouncements of the climate extremists is an essential prerequisite for being a Catholic is the day half his members walk out and elect their own pope. Back to the 12th century — a move some might welcome (in purely religious matters, you understand!)

  26. A children’s Crusade in the making? How does it start?
    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Crusade:

    A boy begins to preach in either France or Germany, claims that he had been visited by Jesus, who instructed him to lead a Crusade in order to peacefully convert Muslims to Christianity.

    This time it is Greta Thunberg, not a boy. It is Al Gore, not Jesus. It is about converting Deniers to Believers. But all elements are there.

    Isn’t the Crusade happening every Friday?

  27. All these years of one supposed authority after another pounding the climate alarmist drum has given me a headache. I do not listen to that guy about anything. I mean after all he demands we not build walls and let people into our country without any screening or controls but lives in a city/state with massive walls and tightly controlled access. I mean really, a 9 y/o can see through to that blatant hypocrisy. Oh for the days of John Paul II. A Pope I could respect.

  28. humanity is called to use natural resources “wisely,” and their use can only be considered ethical when the economic and social costs of using them are transparently acknowledged
    =====
    Fish poop in the water all creatures drink. Where is the ethics in this? Should we tax the fish to stop them pooping?

    And who hasn’t had bird poop fall on their head? Where is the ethics in this? Shall we tax the birds? Is this God’s solution.

    And what if the Pope shall shzt in the woods?

  29. Who is the old man dressed in white who stands near the climate prophet Greta leaning out of a window on the St. Peter’s Square ?

  30. It all part of the old UN agenda 21 which they’ve been working to implement for decades. Which they now call 2030 as the final deadline for implementation, as opposed to 2021. Which they were forced to delay, largely because Trump came along and threw a wrench into their plans.

    The History of the Global Warming Scare

    The concept of global governance was promoted in 1991 by the Club of Rome (of which Strong was a member), which issued a report called The First Global Revolution, which asserted that current problems “are essentially global and cannot be solved through individual country initiatives [which] gives a greatly enhanced importance to the United Nations and other international systems.” Also in 1991 Strong claimed that the Earth Summit, of which he was Secretary General, would play an important role in “reforming and strengthening the United Nations as the centerpiece of the emerging system of democratic global governance.” In 1995, in Our Global Neighborhood, the CGG agreed: “It is our firm conclusion that the United Nations must continue to play a central role in global governance.” the Commission’s recommendations: for instance, that some UN activities be funded through taxes on foreign-exchange transactions and multinational corporations. Economist James Tobin estimates that a 0.5 per cent tax on foreign-exchange transactions would raise $1.5 trillion annually — nearly equivalent to the U.S. federal budget. It also recommended that “user fees” might be imposed on companies operating in the “global commons.” including carbon taxes, which would be levied on all fuels made from coal, oil, and natural gas.

    http://appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_History.htm

  31. It is truly no surprise that the Catholic Church would see money as the means to our salvation.

    Now that the Clergy have been given the word; no more choir boys or initiates behind the alter; the Church has been looking to take its revenge.

    Let’s face it. The Pope is Grumpy. He has the warmth of a hot poker up your backside. His vow of silence did nothing to improve his môod. After all, if he has to be celibate then why the h3ll should the rest of us sinners be able to enjoy ourselves?

    Truly it is written; punishment will continue until moral improves.

  32. The church of Rome has always been a trendsetter for indulgences. Perhaps the Vatican can advise on the pricing too.

  33. I’m Catholic, and as far as his opinion goes, he’s no better than any other elected official with an opinion about what people should do.

    Me, I plan to ignore this pontificating politician.

    • As a Roman Catholic doesn’t it make your conscience twinge to disrespect your Pope like that?

      “Me, I plan to ignore this pontificating politician.”

    • The Pope is a fallible human being, just like the rest of us. He has obviously been duped into believing human-caused CO2 is affecting the Earth’s weather detrimentally.

      He is just as wrong about CAGW as all the rest. Like all the rest, he has no evidence that human-caused CO2 is doing anything detrimental to the Earth’s atmosphere, now or in the future.

  34. The Synod of the Church of England is disinvesting in fossil fuels unless oil companies adhere to the Paris Agreement – the Synod minutes are not clear as to what this means because the whole hopeless crew don’t know what they are talking about! A rejected motion was that disinvestment should occur if companies did not stop exploration before 2022. So a limited level of stupidity. Meanwhile Royal Dutch Shell is investing TWO BILLION POUNDS in renewables which will keep their AGMs a bit quieter, knowing that there is subsidy involved and any ‘renewable’ needs fossil fuel backup. So win win. And Shell (bad year) revenue was 233 billions!
    I sent the Bishop of Salisbury my photo of a young Hmong tribal cooking lunch on twigs and dung in his hut, but His Grace is as heartless as the Pope and was not moved. I’ll bet his palace is centrally heated.

  35. “Time is running out!” Francis said.

    C’mon Mr Pope. Tell us. Do we have 5 years to save the planet or 10, or maybe 12?

    What we do have, is the luxury of ignoring false prophets. Whatever you claim, it will be neither new nor true.

    • The /Pope/ has the luxury, we don’t have the luxury. That’s the difference. It is not a luxury of.

  36. Religion is based on faith, so is climate change / global warming – it is hardly surprising the the Pope can see synergy in conflating both.

    Faith based science ? trust me ! hand me your alms.

    I would have thought God might do a better job of explaining this to his “bridge”.

    Pull the other leg its got bells on.

    I don’t accept scientific advice from, lawyers, economists, anyone with a BA and certainly not the Pope.

  37. Catholicism (or any other religion is the moral equivalent of stealing hubcaps
    Who buys second hand hubcaps? People who have had their hubcaps stolen. The thief has created the perfect market where supply and demand are exactly in balance.
    So also in rome First the priest gives you guilt – for original sin or some other trumped up charge . Then he gives you forgiveness. Again the perfect market but there is an admin fee for all the gold chalices cardinals palaces and idle blingy frippery that Jesus Christ woud have lambasted to hel; if he were around. So keep up the good work papa Frankie

  38. The Church of Rome has some internal housekeeping to do before lecturing others. Cleansing themselves of pederasts should be their priority.

  39. Perhaps the Gas and Oil companies could have their distributors cut off all churches and inform them that that is the start of zero carbon… Enjoy

  40. Perhaps it is time for another Theses of Disputation to be nailed on the Vatican’s door. Not that the first one helped much. Maybe just dumb it down a little, like don’t love money, and don’t join the side that wants to rule all of mankind.

    The pope says “the world has accepted a “cheerful recklessness” in its approach to the issue, lacking the will to change habits for the good of the Earth.” He doesn’t mention the cheerful recklessness in climate science.

  41. I’m a Christian and it’s a fact that Jesus had no time for the Church authorities of his day on account of they glorified themselves, misled the people and exploited the poor. The Pope has these attributes in common with the High priests of the Climate Change Religion.

  42. “climate change “threatens the very future” of humanity,”

    What happened to the company line that Jesus Saves?

    [which I believe btw]

  43. Tell you what Frank, I’ll agree to pay lip service to your demands on carbon (dioxide) trading scams when you’ve listened to my demands to tackle child molestation in the church, sound fair?
    And on;
    “humanity is called to use natural resources “wisely,” and their use can only be considered ethical when the economic and social costs of using them are transparently acknowledged and “are fully borne by those who incur them, rather than by other people or future generations.”
    How about you set an example by transparently acknowledging the economic and social costs of the plunder of natural resources (like silver and slaves) during conquests and see to it that those costs are borne by your charitable organistion by way of reparations to the future generations of Aztecs, Incas, et al?
    Geriatric, dress wearing hypocrite.
    I wonder, does the insatiable pope have hairy palms or lightning burns to go with the partial blindness that allegedly goes with being a rod walloper?
    What a way to end a sunday; with a bag of boiled urine.

  44. “Is the Pope Catholic?” used to be a rhetorical question. The honest answer now is “No, he’s a Marxist”.

  45. The Pope is at least being intellectually consistent. The people whom I disrespect are the people who are not creationist and yet have a creationist world view. I also disrespect people who get all moral and want other people to ‘do the right thing’ even though ‘the right thing’ is clearly harmful when they don’t believe in a God who will reward the people who obeyed these high moral rules or make it up to the people who were harmed by the people who obeyed the rules.

  46. If managed well, this transition can generate new jobs, reduce inequality and improve the quality of life for those affected by climate change.”

    Always a loop hole.

    Apparently the Pope is unfamiliar with church eschatology. In the breaking of the third seal which brings Scarcity on the Earth, we read about how things will be expensive until we reach Revelation 6:6 “… and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

    So when he shouts out “Time is running out” he is taking on the position of modern day Old Testament Prophet (which according to Scripture, when his proclamation is not true, he is to be ignored and treated forevermore as a false prophet) and thus is making an End of Days statement, which in this case, is not supplemental, but contrary to Scripture.

    He is an anti-Pope. A fraud.

  47. Well, he likely worked with the CIA in Argentina. They finally got someone inside the Vatican

  48. For the best of me, I can not see anything wrong with what papa Francis has said, as for as much as in consideration of this post… have not read the rest, not followed the link. (maybe something there?!

    Francis even uses the term climate crisis,
    not climate change or Global warming, the official IPCC terms… for some reason there!

    Sorry can’t see any thing that seem wrong there.
    Mostly it can be considered in principle, no any particulars much there I can see, to argue against.
    If there is no particulars, there can not be much arguing against or about, just a consideration in principle,
    I think.

    cheers

      • Dave

        Most probably Dave…I am on something.

        I am subject to an understanding condition, Dave…which does not mean I am or could be right by default,
        but you see according to it, I am bound to consider that papa Francis has to be considered as
        a friend, by me as per my understanding, as the given info in this post.

        I am very sure, that you not only fail to comprehend it, but you will not even understand it in the least…no worries or blame there, just as it is, as far as I can tell.

        Dave, as the saying goes, you see what you want to see, not what actually is there.

        Carbon pricing is a very strange thing, great potential there, for good or for bad.

        What I read here points out that Francis is pointing out, in a very complex way the potential towards the good, to Oil companies and corporations, the ones that have no much problem to consider it, in their internal affairs…

        Carbon pricing done and managed well, offers the best easier structure of validation of work value, and of the state of a business model…free of the messy validation factor of profiting…

        Not expecting you to understand this as put… but that is how I see it…sorry Dave.

        Let me repeat it, as it stand for the info here, I am not only in agreement with papa Francis,
        but also got to consider the papa as a friend…maybe crazy or silly to you,
        but it is as it stands as far as I can tell.

        Confusing, yes, very much so, and very much open to judgement…
        but that how it is… Dave.

        cheerio

        • Well, whiten, your friend has made the same fundamental error made by many social activists, politicians and bureaucrats: Governments can build and operate a business model better than that of individuals’ producing products and services while expecting a profit. They mistake the need for governments to equally apply laws for the need for governments to ensure equal outcomes for all; social justice, not individual justice.

          One need only look at the failures (treasures wasted, people killed) over the past 100 years or so of the social justice countries such as the old Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, various Arab States, ad nausea to see the ultimate evil of social justice notions. Without individual justice there are only various levels of repression. Free stuff sounds good, that is until the Commissar shows up at your door to enforce conformance to arbitrary rules.

          Your friend lives a cloistered life, similar to those in academia and government bureaucracies. They are isolated from the realities of having to produce products and services, at a profit, to satisfy the needs and wants of others. Without profit to individuals, nothing happens; the world stagnates and people starve.

          Your “Carbon pricing done and managed well, offers the best easier structure of validation of work value, and of the state of a business model…free of the messy validation factor of profiting…” is nonsense on its face:

          1) It requires that carbon (CO2) pricing schemes are actually “done and managed well” across the entire globe. Good luck in getting any sovereign nation to give a supranational agency that kind of power. Even if one could create such an agency, it would be subjected to massive political interference because of its ability to confer significant business advantages to the different countries.

          2) The imposition of arbitrary costs cannot provide a rational “validation of work value.” Validation of work value is a political construct and fails if it is dissociated from what people are willing to pay for a product or service. Forcing people to pay more does not validate the value of the work required to produce the product or service. Additionally, businesses cannot operate without profit; it is the only measure of objective value, free of political manipulation.

          Please do not let your good feelings towards a friend cloud your judgement concerning an important topic such as the rational workings of an economy. I can address facts, reasoning and conclusions, not feelings.

  49. If we could only leave moral obligations to the church and allow everyone to make their choice but keep it out of government we could coexist nicely. Oh stop, isn’t that what the Constitution says?

  50. “…and improve the quality of life for those affected by climate change.”

    For those affected? I thought climate change was a global emergency. Doesn’t that include everyone on Earth?

  51. Pope Francis on Friday said –

    “Time is running out! reduce inequality and improve the quality of life”

    As the pope is is a leader who we should emulate to be closer to god….
    therefore WE must all attain the same carbon footprint as the pope.

    I’m up for that ! ( do we get to wear silk slippers as well ? )

  52. The pope that represents the the same organization that employed the world’s best torturers to “encourage” belief. It’s no wonder- AGW scam is exactly the same as the old church tenets, based on lies “blind faith” and brutal enforcement thereof.

  53. I have a feeling it will be the rhythm method of prevention for unwanted carbon, especially by the elite.

  54. Let’s see…the Pope went through several yrs of seminary training, where he learned how to pull a collar over his head, and how to scare the crap out of people with purely speculative, whether OR not there’re actually true, suppositions (I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to know for sure; Milton said, “All faith is blind, and blind faith is no faith at all”), and now he’s qualified to evaluate science?! I’d just as soon take scientific advice from Mickey Mouse, whose gang at least didn’t threaten Gallileo with death if he didn’t renounce what he had conclusively, by observation, proven to be true.
    Luckily, I’m Buddhist, so he can’t excommunicate me. Uh Oh…please tell me that the Catholic Church doesn’t do drone strikes. After all, according to the Pope, my free and independent, and better informed, if I may say so, thought is a major danger to the future of humanity.

  55. Is he going to unleash the elite Jerry Brown Jesuit Revolutionary Guards in the assault?

  56. Matthew 22:21 – Jesus said “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s.”

    …dumbass.

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