by Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
The prison gate is about to slam thunderously shut on the global warming fraudsters. It is time to report their profitable but murderous deception to the public investigating and prosecuting authorities.
To prove a fraud, though, is harder than to prove a murder. One has to demonstrate – beyond reasonable doubt – not one but two criminal intents.
The first is the intent to deceive by way of a false and dishonest representation. A representation is false if it is untrue or misleading and the person making it knows that it is, or may be, untrue or misleading. A representation is dishonest if what was done would be regarded as dishonest by the reasonable man on the Clapham omnibus, and if the perpetrator must have realized that the reasonable man would regard the deception as dishonest.
The second is the intent to cause a gain or loss in money or money’s worth by means of the deception – an intent either to gain by fraudulently getting what one does not have or by fraudulently keeping what one already has, or both, or an intent to cause a loss by depriving the victims of what they already possess, or by preventing them from gaining what they would otherwise have gotten, or both.
I recently visited a country house somewhere in Scotland to consult an eminent lawyer with close ties to the police. I described to him certain specific matters that appeared, prima facie, to be frauds. I told him exactly how the fraudulent claim of “97% consensus” had been fabricated. He got the point at once.
I went on to tell him how certain parties have wilfully and, as we see it, fraudulently thwarted our attempts to get one of the leading learned journals of climatology to publish our paper demonstrating that a single, elementary, catastrophic error of physics is the sole cause of the absurdly overblown predictions of warmer weather on the basis of which scientifically-illiterate governments have been panicked by downright evil lobby groups and profiteers of doom into causing untold death, disease, educational disadvantage, industrial destruction and financial ruin worldwide.
His eyes widened as the story unfolded. I said that, when we had submitted our paper to a journal, its editor had at first replied that he could not find anyone competent to review the paper. When we had persisted, the editor had spent six months garnering precisely two reviews. The first reviewer said he disagreed with the mathematics on a page that did not exist: whatever paper the reviewer was commenting upon, we were able to prove it was not the paper we had submitted to the journal.
The second reviewer had actually read the submitted paper, but he had commented that, because he had found the paper’s conclusion that global warming was not a problem uncongenial, he had not read the equations that justified the conclusion.
We pointed out that, since neither of the reviewers had actually reviewed our paper, the editor had received no indication that there was anything wrong with it, wherefore he should publish it without any further delay. He refused, saying that he would only publish the paper if the reviewers said it should be published. He added that he had telephoned a third party, who had told him not to publish the paper. We asked for that review in writing, so that we could comment on it and respond to any specific scientific points it made, but were refused.
The journal’s management then got in touch to invite us to submit further papers in future and to say they hoped we were happy with the review process. I wrote back to say that, unless we were given the opportunity to appeal against the editor’s decision, we proposed to report him as a participant in what Professor Mörner has justifiably described as “the biggest fraud in human history”.
Thereupon, the editor agreed to send out the paper for review again. For our part, we offered to expand the argument considerably, so as to forestall the usual attempts by politically and financially motivated academics to weasel out of allowing the paper to be published.
But when we submitted the much-extended paper, the editor did not reply. When we wrote a reminder email, again he did not reply.
We wrote to the IPCC, not once but twice, to activate the error-reporting protocol that the IPCC had been obliged to adopt after a series of acutely embarrassing errors, such as the laughable notion that all the ice in the Himalayas would melt by 2050. The IPCC, however, had failed even to acknowledge our report, let alone to activate the mandatory protocol that the Inter-Academy Council had obliged it to put in place.
The eminent lawyer’s eyebrows lifted. He pondered for a few moments, and then gave us the following advice:
First, he said, we should write to the Serious Fraud Office, with a copy to my local Chief Constable and a further copy to him, putting the authorities on notice that a fraud was suspected, providing the evidence of the “97% consensus” fraud (some of the perpetrators were in Britain) and providing the evidence of how we had been mistreated by the journal. At this stage, we should not request an investigation, but we should outline the widespread death, disease, damage and destruction caused by the suspected fraud.
Next, he advised us to submit our paper, in the normal way, to a second journal, this time within the jurisdiction of the British investigating authorities. We should keep meticulous records of the correspondence between us and the journal. If that second journal failed either to publish our paper or to provide a legitimate and robust scientific refutation of our argument, then we should copy that correspondence to the Serious Fraud Office and to the Chief Constable, again not requesting an investigation but merely putting them on notice that the fraud appeared to be continuing, and appeared to involve more than one journal.
Then, he said, assuming that no genuine fault had been found with our scientific argument, we should submit the paper to a third journal, again in the normal way, keeping a careful track of the correspondence. If the third journal did not handle the paper scientifically, we should write to the police again, this time to request investigation and prosecution of the connected frauds of the authors of the “97% consensus” claim, of the journal that had published that claim and had failed to publish a correction when requested, of the board of management of that journal, of the three journals that had refused to handle our paper scientifically, and of the IPCC secretariat that had fraudulently failed to activate its error-reporting protocol.
By that time, he said, the police would begin to be curious. They would check out certain easily-verifiable points, such as the fact that the list of almost 12,000 papers allegedly reviewed by the perpetrators of the “97% consensus” deception showed that the authors had themselves marked only 0.5% of the papers as explicitly stating their support for the “consensus” position as they had defined it. Once the police realized that we were telling the truth, they would begin to investigate, and he would support them in doing so.
So that is what we are going to do. And this is where you come in. There follows a condensed version (warning: it’s not for wimps) of our scientific argument to the effect that climatologists had forgotten, at a vital point in their “how-much-warming” calculations, to take due account of the fact that the Sun is shining. Is our argument sound? Is it definitive? Or is it erroneous or in some respects deficient? And should we follow the eminent lawyer’s advice? I shall read your comments with interest.
An error in defining temperature feedback explains overstatements of global warming
Abstract: Climatology borrows feedback method from control theory1-6, but errs by defining feedback as responsive only to perturbations of the input signal, emission temperature. If so, impossibly, the feedback fraction due to warming from noncondensing greenhouse gases would exceed that due to emission temperature by 1-2 orders of magnitude. Then feedback response would be up to 90% of Charney sensitivity (equilibrium sensitivity to doubled CO2 after feedback has acted)7 and of the uncertainty therein8. In reality, feedback also responds to the entire reference signal9,10. In climate, that signal (the signal before feedback acts) is reference temperature, the sum of all natural as well as anthropogenic perturbations and, above all, of emission temperature. It is here demonstrated that the system-gain factor, the ratio not only (as now) of equilibrium to reference sensitivities but also of entire temperatures, is insensitive even to large uncertainties therein: in 1850 and 2011 it was 1.1. Though models7 project 3.35 [2.1, 4.7] K Charney sensitivity, the revised value – the product of the system-gain factor 1.1 and the 1.05 K reference sensitivity7 to doubled CO2 – falls on 1.15 [1.10, 1.25] K, confirming evidence11 that feedback barely alters temperature and that, even without mitigation, net-harmful warming is unlikely. Mitigation entails a heavy net global welfare loss disproportionately afflicting 1.3 billion people to whom access to electricity is denied.
Projected midrange global warming outstrips observation threefold (Fig. 1) due to an erroneous definition of temperature feedback in climatology. All transport across the climate-system boundary is radiative; and, in the Stefan-Boltzmann equation, flux density at an emitting surface is a function of absolute temperature, which is accordingly the proper metric for sensitivity studies. Yet climatology defines feedback response as the difference not between entire reference and equilibrium temperatures (respectively before and after feedback has acted) but between sensitivities, concluding that feedback response comprises up to 90%7 of equilibrium sensitivity, and of the uncertainty that arises therein8 chiefly because feedbacks are unquantifiable by measurement and act at resolutions below models’ (GCMs’) grid-scale. Reference sensitivity7 to doubled CO2 is only
1, p. 676, cf. 12: but in GCMs the large imagined feedback response and its large attendant uncertainty elevates Charney sensitivity (equilibrium sensitivity to doubled CO2) to 3.35 [2.1, 4.7] K 7. IPCC, whose [1.5, 4.5] K interval1,13 is as in 197914, mentions “feedback” more than 1000 times1.
Figure 1. | Projections1,7 of global warming from 1850-2011 (inner scale), in response to doubled CO2 (middle scale) and the sum of these two (outer scale) greatly exceeds warming consistent with the 0.75 K observed from 1850-2011 (green needle). Midrange Charney sensitivity7 3.35 K (red needle) implies 2.4 K equilibrium warming by 2011, thrice observation. The revised interval derived herein is consistent with observation.
Control theory, developed for telephone circuits9,10 but applicable to all feedback-moderated dynamical systems, defines feedback as responsive to the entire reference signal as well as to perturbations. However, climatology1-6 considers only perturbationse.g. 1, p. 1450:
Climate feedback: An interaction in which a perturbation in one climate quantity causes a change in a second, and the change in the second quantity ultimately leads to an additional change in the first. A negative feedback is one in which the initial perturbation is weakened by the changes it causes; a positive feedback is one in which the initial perturbation is enhanced … the climate quantity that is perturbed is the global mean surface temperature, which in turn causes changes in the global radiation budget. In either case, the initial perturbation can either be externally forced or arise as part of internal variability. [Authors’ emphases]
Due to this definitional error, projected Charney sensitivity
has hitherto been imagined to exceed reference sensitivity
up to tenfold7-8, 15-20. A corrected definition follows (with climate-related terms in parentheses):
Feedback (in
of surface equilibrium temperature
) induces a feedback response (
, in Kelvin at time
) to the entire reference signal (reference temperature
), the sum of the input signal (emission temperature
) and all perturbations (natural and anthropogenic reference sensitivities
). The feedback loop (Fig. 2) modifies the output signal (
) by returning some fraction of it, the feedback fraction (
), to the input/output node. The ratio of output to input signals is the system-gain factor (
. Negative feedback attenuates output; positive feedback amplifies it.
Figure 2. | The feedback loop (a) simplifies to the system-gain schematic (b)
Given that
and
,
, the sum of the infinite convergent geometric series
under the convergence criterion
. Visibly (Fig. 2), the feedback block modifies all of
, not merely
.
Sensitivities and absolute temperatures: Climatology obtains equilibrium sensitivities
using (1), derived from the energy-balance equation via a Taylor-series expansion4,21. In (1),
is climatology’s system-gain factor,
a forcing;
a near-invariant sensitivity parameter22, p.354; 23, 24. In (2), the corrected definition of feedback is used.
| (1) | ||
| (2) |
Though (1, 2) are both valid, (1) cannot constrain
, because small uncertainties in
,
yield large uncertainty in
; but in (2), where
,
exceed
,
by two orders of magnitude, even large uncertainties in
,
entail small uncertainty in
. The use of (2) remedies climatology’s restrictive definition, obviates quantification of individual feedbacks and diagnoses of equilibrium sensitivities using GCMs and, above all, facilitates reliable constraint of equilibrium sensitivities.
System gain:
;
due to pre-industrial GHGs6 in 1850 was
. In 1850,
;
25. The Planck parameter
. Net anthropogenic forcing1, fig. SPM.5
to 2011, so that
.
In 2011,
. Given
radiative imbalance26 by 2010,
from 1850-2011 (of which
was observed25). Since
,
, as in 1850. Thus,
proves stable over time: for instance, the
uncertainty25 in
barely perturbs
, so that, where the curve of the response function
is linear
.
That curve passes through two points
. Since
, the first point is
. The second is the well-constrained
in 1850. If
is an exponential-growth curve, the exponent
. For
7,
. Then
,
and
, near-identical to the linear case.
If
were derived not from
but from
and current estimates of
, temperature in 1850 would exceed observation and
would barely exceed
. For the midrange
7, GCMs’ system-gain factor
implies that
; but then
, so that
in 1850 would have been
, exceeding observation by
, and, in any event,
, close to the linear case.
If per impossibile the response curve bypassed
, it must still visit
in 1850. If the second point were (
, current
), the ratio
of the feedback fractions
due to
and
due to
becomes impossibly excessive: e.g.,
;
;
(Fig. 3). Yet the same feedbacks respond to sensitivities as to emission temperature, so that
in (1) is near-invariant, implying
.
Figure 3. | Ratio
of the feedback fractions
due to
and
due to
, for
on
. Beyond the plausible regions, elevated feedback-fraction ratios and equilibrium sensitivities are impossible.
For a non-exponential-growth curve of
that was near-linear,
would barely exceed
. For a significantly nonlinear or even stochastic non-exponential-growth curve, variability in the successive feedback fractions
would at some point exceed that in an exponential-growth curve, contrary a fortiori to the near-invariance of
. Therefore, regardless of the shape of
, Charney sensitivities
cannot much exceed
.
Predicted and observed feedback have diverged (Fig. 4). Feedbacks other than water vapour self-cancel1, table 9.5. By Clausius-Clapeyron, the atmosphere may carry 7% K–1 more water vapour27, but specific humidity is thus rising28 only in the lower troposphere, where water vapour’s spectral lines are near-saturated: as humidity increases, only the far wings add to infrared absorption29, which varies logarithmically +with humidity. Though GCMs predict 90% of water vapour feedback in the tropical mid-troposphere, specific humidity is falling there, so that predicted warming30 at twice the surface rate is not seen11,31. Thus, feedback response varies near-linearly with temperature, so that the water-vapour feedback is small.
Figure 4. | The tropical mid-troposphere hot spot (a) is not observed (b).
Monte Carlo processes (Fig. 5) compared the revised 2 σ Charney-sensitivity interval 1.16 [1.09, 1.23] K with the current 3.35 [2.1, 4.7] K (inset); and, in an empirical campaign, authoritative estimates of anthropogenic forcing over ten periods all yielded 1.15 K.
Figure 5. | (a) Monte Carlo distribution of Charney sensitivities
revised after defining feedback correctly (bin widths 0.005 K); (b) Scaled comparison of distributions of revised vs. current Charney sensitivities
(bin widths 0.025 K).
No consensus: Only 0.3% of 11,944 climate papers from 1991-2011 found
of post 1950-warming anthropogenic32. If some warming were natural, equilibrium sensitivities might be less than found here.
Discussion: The Stern climate-economics review33 took a
mid-range estimate of warming by 2100 as driving a welfare loss of
–
of global GDP (cf.
–
)1. The 11 K upper bound33 drove a 20%-of-GDP extinction-level loss assuming a
pure rate-of-time discount rate, giving “roughly a
chance of the planet not seeing out this century”34. Adding
per-capita consumption growth without climate change gave a
mean social discount rate (cf.
35), against a
36-37 minimum market discount rate. Since the present result shows the probability of extinction is nil, submarket rates are unjustifiable. Even without allowing for the present result, at the
mean discount rate a
-of-GDP welfare loss33 would become
(or
assuming no net welfare loss until preindustrial temperature is exceeded by
), while a
-of-GDP loss33 would become only
(
).
Conclusion: The World Bank cites global warming in refusing to fund coal, oil and gas projects in developing countries, where denying electricity to 1.3 billion people curtails IQ and shortens lifespans by ~20 years. Once temperature feedback is correctly defined, anthropogenic warming will be small, slow and net-beneficial. A policy rethink is advisable.
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Neville said: “Christopher has anyone asked Nic Lewis to review your study? Or perhaps Roy Spencer, John Christy, Steve McIntyre etc?”
Lord Mockton said: “Is our argument sound? Is it definitive? Or is it erroneous or in some respects deficient? And should we follow the eminent lawyer’s advice? I shall read your comments with interest.”
Looks like LM is using WUWT to get the peer review he couldn’t get from “the jounnal”…
I saw an article in a popular TV magazine the other day. It read:
“Climate Change by the Numbers. 650,000 – number of people killed in extreme weather events since 1995… ”
This thing is now all-pervasive. Scientific fraud or not, it has it’s own momentum and you’ll never kill it.
Johnjohn,
Let’s see. 650,000/24 = 27,000 deaths per year due to extreme weather events annually out of a global population of roughly 7,000,000,000. Sounds reasonable and not too alarming, but for the tragedy for those affected.
Looks about the same value for that time period as Joe Bastardi’s graph on Climate Related deaths.
Of course back in the 1920’s it was more like 450,000 per year.
https://tinyurl.com/y2a5ulhk
I agree that courts are not the place to decide scientific truths.
However, I suspect here, the issue will be the deliberate breach of process. With collusion or conspiracy as a multiplier effect.
Journals pride themselves in the way they publish ground breaking papers. Remember:
the fat/sugar debate, which is still ongoing,
Red wine is good/bad for you – still ongoing,
Your ideal weight – still ongoing,
Speed of light is still being refined – ongoing,
Cold fusion – a bit dodgy – but still ongoing,
Hot fusion – lots of breakthroughs every 30 yrs -= still ongoing,
String theory – still ongoing,
Climate change – they know it all (or at least enough) – science is settled.
Of all the issues facing us today, it seems peculiar the it is only climate science believes that, as self declared, its settled, they no need to publish all sides of the science on climate.
We have the wilful refusal to publish data, the refusal of the media to cover all aspects of the debate.
There is so much to choose from, however, it will be hard to get sufficient detailed evidence that will stand up in court.
Steve Richards
Inasmuch as the issue is so contentious, and there are experienced, well-educated individuals on both sides of the argument, I think that the journal(s) would be doing a much needed service to bring it out in the open and let the ‘big guns’ in fields outside of climatology weigh in on whether or not Monckton has “gone off the rails.”
Taking what Monckton has said at face value, there has been no reviewer who have provided a reasonable justification for rejecting publication. It appears to only be a personal disagreement with the thesis and conclusion. Fortunately, Einstein was not faced with the same barriers of prejudice.
Steve Richards June 3, 2019 at 7:01 am
Deliberate breach of WHAT process? There is no law concerning when a reviewer can reject a piece. He (or she, of course) can reject it just because of a gut feeling that there is something wrong that he can’t put a finger on.
Nor is there any law saying the reviewer cannot get together with other reviewers to discuss the case, which is what you seem to be calling “collusion” or “conspiracy”.
I happen to have some knowledge of this, as I am occasionally involved in advising on whether to publish something on WUWT. And while I do my best to be as scientific as possible, sometimes the whole piece just doesn’t seem to go anywhere. Or it goes somewhere and despite my best efforts I can’t follow it. Or even though I can’t directly falsify them, the claims involved are far too overblown to sustain close scrutiny. Or everything is right except for one single claim, and I think that error propagates throughout the whole piece.
So … when I advise rejecting a piece, I’m sure the writer will not be happy.
But would I be guilty of “fraud”?
Hell, NO! I can recommend rejection simply because the paper has too many errors and typos that are distorting the meaning, and I don’t have the patience to guess what each one of them is supposed to mean.
So y’all should understand … if you are arguing that it’s OK to involve the judicial system and that the scientific journals should be accused of criminal fraud if you don’t like what they publish …
… you are making the same argument regarding WUWT.
There is no “Right To Be Published”, either here or in the journals. Joe Born had a proposed post discussing the errors made by Monckton turned down by WUWT … is he entitled to sue for fraud in a criminal court?
Don’t be daft …
w.
making the extraordinary claim of a fundamental mistake in Physics requires, as the saying goes, extraordinary evidence. Given the ubiquitous inter dependencies in Physics, I would expect that this alleged fundamental mistake would have become obvious in many branches in Physics and not require a single journal to publish a paper that – evidently – did not pass peer review.
The claim of fraud – implying monetary reward for a cover-up – suggests that there is a lot more money to be made in exposing such a fundamental mistake in one or more of the many non-climate Physics journals. In fact, discovering a fundamental error would seem to be grounds for a Nobel prize.
so I’m a it puzzled why this boils down to the opinion of a retired Scottish lawyer. hmm …
I could easily ask you WHY The “Hockey Stick” paper QUICKLY passed review that badly misused math/statistics. Then for years after wards resisted giving up the code/data to others who challenged the paper.
How did the “expert” reviewers missed it so badly?
Snicker……..
There was an error in this post. You stated above that:
“all the ice in the Himalayas would melt by 2050.”
I am pretty sure that the IPCC claimed that all the ice in the Himalayas would melt by 2035. Even though the world is ending in 11 years, 9 months, those extra 15 years could be important in saving a remnant of humanity on the Indian subcontinent. Please correct.
/sarc
Offences classified as “fraud” in general are territorial offences (as opposed to e.g. genocide) , i.e. the act or the effect must be localised in the territory of the state where the act is forbidden. Therefore it is hard to assess if the advise of the lawyer is accurate, but i believe, by all standards, that at least under European continental punitive law this seems very far fetched. If the answer would be affirmative, lobbying and even politics would be made impossible.
Greenhouse effect theory assumes that the atmosphere warms the earth, to wit: by 288 K with – 255 K without = 33 C warmer. The 255 K is calculated assuming the naked earth keeps its 0.3 albedo.
That’s not a mistake, that’s fraud.
Refer to the Dutton/Brune Penn State METEO 300 chapter 7.2: These two professors quite clearly assume/state that the earth’s current 0.3 albedo would remain even if the atmosphere were gone or if the atmosphere were 100 % nitrogen, i.e. at an average 240 W/m^2 OLR and an average S-B temperature of 255 K.
That is just flat ridiculous.
NOAA says that without an atmosphere the earth would be a -430 F frozen ice-covered ball.
That is just flat ridiculous^2.
Without the atmosphere or with 100% nitrogen there would be no liquid water or water vapor, no vegetation, no clouds, no snow, no ice, no oceans and no longer a 0.3 albedo. The earth would get blasted by the full 394 K, 121 C, 250 F solar wind.
The erroneous claims cited above are not errors but deliberate misrepresentations, i.e. fraud.
1. Yes there has been fraud, but if going to court, stick to something simple like the 97% figure which is easily understood by a judge & jury.
2. As someone who has studied control theory, physics and climate I find the way the argument is put forward is extremely difficult to follow – although an improvement from the last time. For example what on earth is “R” – is it a temperature? If so why isn’t it written “T” which is the conventional way to do these things. YOU HAVE TO DEFINE TERMS particularly given this is a cross-discipline paper, there is a high risk of using terminology that is not understood by either – or in this case – both disciplines.
3. What I think you are saying is this:
That the scientific modelling of the effect of adding CO2 on the direct temperature is about 1C for a doubling of CO2.
Although you don’t explain this in the argument, I believe you are just showing that the change in CO2 between 1850 and various dates equates to a CO2 ONLY effect on temperature (but you don’t give the figures) and that this should cause a change in temperature – I presume in the next time period (although this is not stated), and from what actually happens you work out the likely feedback.
This argument however is extremely difficult to follow. In effect you have an equation: T1 = T0 + a.CO2_level
But at any point, although we have CO2 levels we only have one temperature. WE ARE MISSING A KNOWN in order to work out the unknown “feedback-related” parameter a. One way to approach this is to pick time periods and say “the temperature in the next time period is the previous time period plus something due to CO2”. This gives two known temperatures and from this it is possible to derive a figure of a. But this value will vary depending on how you define the periods. Also, in any system there are time lags so a is not a simple constant but varies with time. In short, any calculation of feedback requires a very clear definition and model of how you have two temperatures which relate to any one period under consideration. You don’t have this and it makes it impossible to understand.
4. However, whilst it’s like wading through River Forth mud to understand the argument, the conclusion that the feedback is too high is undoubtedly true. No natural system would have feedbacks around 4 without showing the vary characteristic signal of a system with such massive positive feedbacks. The climate does not show this (except perhaps going into and out of the ice-age). So, there is no doubt that during the interglacial, the feedback levels are very low and likely negative suggesting a total reponse to doubling CO2 of <1C.
5. The main problem with the feedbacks, is not the crazy estimates of the scale of feedbacks which just aren't credible, but that the feedbacks do not take into account the large amount of natural variation that exists in the climate. And without knowing the level of natural variation, you are bound to get outrageous figures for supposed feedback – and they do. So, in effect the equation should be Future_temp = Current_temp + a0 . CO2_Effect + a0.Current_Natural_variation effect. But the level of current natural variation is unknown – and the real fraud is to pretend it does not exist. That then leads to the fraudulent argument: "because nothing else can explain why temperature changes – it must be man-made CO2" (which I put that way as it's clearly total BS).
Believe me, the post’s confusing nature is a feature, not a bug from Lord Monckton’s point of view. It prevents readers from realizing that he’s merely extrapolating—incorrectly, as it happens.
Say we have pre-industrial and current values of those quantities as well as a doubled-CO2 value for
. He’s merely saying that the coefficient we should use to extrapolate the doubled-CO2 value for
is not the local slope of the R-E curve as in standard extrapolation but rather the average slope.
Let’s also say for the sake of argument that the relationship between those quantities is given by
, where
= 1090.25684089,
= -8.53834812, and
= 0.01673432. Then you get the
(pre-industrial) and
(current) values he gives in the slide at the end of his post at https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/08/15/climatologys-startling-error-of-physics-answers-to-comments/, but the
value (i.e., the difference between pre-industrial and doubled-CO2 values for equilibrium temperature with feedback) is 3 K rather than the 1.17 K he gets by using average slope.
Of course, I’m not saying that the actual function is the one I just cooked up. But that function does show that using the average slope instead of the local slope rarely gives you a good answer unless the function is nearly linear. And maybe it is nearly linear. But his mathematical basis for saying so is only that the average slope doesn’t change much over the course of a domain change of a degree or two. And that’s faulty reasoning; the average slope of my cooked-up function doesn’t change much, either, in so short an interval, yet using the average slope wouldn’t work for it.
He also makes physical arguments for linearity, but they aren’t any more compelling than the alarmist ones for non-linearity. The more-compelling arguments come from heavy hitters like Richard Lindzen or Nic Lewis.
The simple problem is that we have a system which we know has large amounts of noise in the system of the same size as the supposed “signal” from human CO2. And unless or until you address the megalosaurus in the room: natural variety, it is total BS to attempt to do any kind of assessment on feedbacks. I would confidently say that if any student attempted to state the gain/feedback on such a system they would get Null points.
So Monckton is highlighting a mistake in something that no intelligent person should be attempting to do in the first place. Indeed, as the system clearly has negative feedbacks for warming – and the response must be non-linear with different feedbacks when coming out an ice-age compared to an interglacial, even the idea there is “one feedback value” is a total load of BS.
You’ll get no argument from me that we should have confidence in our ability to tease what the feedback is out of the noise or to determine what the equilibrium values are–if such quantities exist–in this dauntingly complex system.
But Lord Monckton has purported to accept that exercise (“something that no intelligent person should be attempting to do in the first place”) at least for the sake of argument. He contends that, even if you accept that exercise as worthwhile, he has proven mathematically that they went about it the wrong way whereas he has arrived at the correct climate sensitivity by doing it right.
As I just explained, he didn’t do it right.
Joe, thanks for the comments … I haven’t bothered looking at papers on feedbacks ever since a graph was published at a conference with a R^2 value of something like 0.02 … and they seriously thought that was enough to give a figure for sensitivity based on that data.
The only sensible approach to calculating feedback is to try to measure the scale of the non-CO2 feedback changes. So, Temp -> Feedback_change -> Feedback_into_Temp.
But since they’ve yet to find anything at all changing as a result of the “change in temperature” then using that approach you’d get a feedback of zero (except for perhaps more CO2 being released from oceans).
But to be frank – the most obvious feedback mechanism is that of cloud formation due to rising thermals. And that is a massive effect … which is why we constantly hear “they don’t understand clouds … by which they mean they don’t give them the required positive feedbacks for the climate cult”.
One really cool way to look at this (Gavin Schmidt?) is to assume that there has been natural cooling for a period of time, thus AGW is more than 100%.
“By that time, he said, the police would begin to be curious”
As Dodgy Geezer observes, they won’t want to get involved. I suggest it will be due to the involvement of Common Purpose, with their “Leading Beyond Authority” motto.
Science is about learning. As a reputable scientific journal, none should not take sides, nor proffer one hypothesis over another. Different trains of thought are how we learn. The same journal can contain two opposing hypothesis and still be correct in doing so, unless there is a mathematical error, or a flawed study, or some scientific error. If the editor can’t verify the math, then it should farm it out to people in the field, who can evaluate the math. If errors are found, that needs to be reported back to the author. If there is no error, the paper should be published to challenge or support the status quo – or a new theory altogether.
The “crime” is not properly reviewing the paper, not giving the feedback necessary to understand what the error is, and not publishing if no error is found. Stonewalling is not a scientific principle. Stonewalling infers either incompetence or misdeeds. That is where fraud and conspiracy need a legal authority to break up the misdeeds, or the incompetent reviewer or editor must be taken to task. As ridiculous as the mental image of Bobbys with sticks and whistles going after a magazine like chasing Jack the Ripper is, fraud is fraud.
In this case, the magazine seemed to be stonewalling. Fraud in the case of one reviewer (i.e., bad math on non-existent page), and toeing the party line, not actually reviewing the paper for the other. Incompetence of the editor at best, conspiracy to commit fraud the other. Either answer requires action from someone.
Science is not changing, nor is it settled. It is just that our understanding of the universe, including our climate, is constantly growing. Our understanding of science is changing. Scientific journals is how science is talked about. A scientific journal must be true to science, and never blindly supporting the status quo.
Christopher: I think George Mihailides, above, has said something really important. If you want to get people like me to support you technical view, you need to make it clearly understandable. Which it is not,
at the moment. I tried to summarize your point of view in one sentence, and couldn’t. The closest I could get was “When you detect a change, the feedbacks have already acted.” I don’t think that’s what you mean, but I can’t get any closer. You need to state very clearly your thesis at the top of your technical paper – a memorable metaphor would be useful, like Richard Feynman’s “bombardier” metaphor of particles switching forwards and backwards in time.
And by the way, I was an undergraduate at Cambridge at the same time as you. I was a Trinity mathematician, you were was a Churchill classicist. In some ways, you and I are very alike people – we both learn quickly, and like to venture far beyond our areas of expertise. Normally, I would be one of the last people to berate you for anything. But given the importance of this issue, I feel I have to ask you to make your case clearer.
Lord Monckton,
There are as I have pointed out to you many times multiple errors you do not take account of. One of the most difficult is that the feedback term is temperature dependent due to the iris effect. That is that as the temperature rises the cloud cover rises suddenly as the dew point is approached at some point in the air column. This effect is non-linear and thus the feedback is non stationary. You cannot use a scalar analysis in this case.
This is analogous the situation that occurs when an amplifier runs out of dynamic range, the output trying to exceed the supply rails the system saturates and the gain falls dramatically.
Not that there is physically any gain element in the climate system or a power supply ( the power supply is deemed to also be the input signal, try doing that in a real amplifier and see how far you get)
Finally the feedback signal is also subject to multiple delays, you can’t analyse an amplifier with phase shifting elements (delays) using a simple scalar model. An example would be a sine wave oscillator, the scalar (DC) output would be zero, but the actual output at any time except two moments per cycle would be anything but zero. These delays also cause hysteresis non linearities. Lord Monckton , rather that try to substitute a more moderate model using the same flawed mathematics as the perpetrators of this scientific nonsense , I’d really rather you showed how the use of the bode feedback mathematics is being misused in their maths bringing about a result that is not valid.
As another comment, there is another error, the feedback term cannot be temperature since temperature is not a property that can be transmitted, the feedback term has to be energy or it’s time differential – power.
Forget the criminal case. I can’t see how a publisher has a duty to publish anything – or even to consider fairly whether an article is fit for publication. Journals are privately owned and the discretion to publish must rest with the owner. In the absence of a duty owed to the writer of the article, I can’t see how there could be a fraud. The conspiracy by three journals to refuse to publish or fairly review for publication would seem to be just as benign.
If you want a legal result, go for a civil case. Perhaps you could get sued for defamation and defend yourself as did Deborah Lipstadt in the defamation claim made by David Irving. In that case the judge made it clear that his job was not to judge history. But he then went on to make several historical findings of fact which were necessary for the ‘truth’ part of the defense. Similarly, a truth defense could include evidence that, for example, the 97% consensus is in fact a 0.5% consensus and that the claim that ‘97% is fraudulent’ is justified.
As for the mathematical gobbledygook, I would forget relying on that for legal purposes. No judge could make a finding of fact based on those hieroglyphics except to acknowledge the opinion of several learned expert archaeological witnesses. And then it would be just as easy for the judge to select the opinion of the orthodox Egyptologist as it would be to accept the opinion of your legal expert.
Of course there are problems with this approach. First you have to be sufficiently provocative to get sued for defamation while making sure you don’t step over an indefensible line. Second, a civil suit requires that you have money in the bank to pay legal fees. Perhaps a crowd funding approach?
With respect to climate, the science publication machine is clearly broken, corrupted by special interests. Unscrupulous treatment of Monckton’s paper is but the latest in a string of such episodes, which, by concealing contrary evidence, protect the UN’s climate change boondoggle. Two precedents given similar treatment are papers by Dr. Berry and Professor Harde, who wasn’t even allowed to respond to a criticism by the IPCC crowd.
https://edberry.com/blog/climate-physics/agw-hypothesis/contradictions-to-ipccs-climate-change-theory/
https://edberry.com/blog/climate-physics/agw-hypothesis/what-is-really-behind-the-increase-in-atmospheric-co2/ at [53:45]
The reason they employ these tactics isn’t brain surgery. As Professor Salby observed, “The have to.” The silencing of discussion has destroyed science in this subject. If allowed to continue, the problem bodes ill for the future. At this stage, it can be remedied only by public officials who control the flow of funds which supports the unscrupulous conduct that maintains the broken machinery.
The Fraud in the field of climate “science” is so obvious a 13 year old child can identify it. The Teen Age Super Sleuths are addressing this video and are exposing the hoax is a pretty funny manner.
https://youtu.be/ZDRvPMvn1kc
https://youtu.be/78CvBi5ME7M
https://youtu.be/K_j1NoBRQ6U
I’d suggest that it would be easier to hire a prostitute for the journal editor than it would be to allege fraud.
Get some pictures and get published.
I am sure that a robust conversation with the journal editor would get him to release his email trails and telephone records that would help to identify more culprits.
It depends upon how persuasive you.
Sir, I really enjoyed watching your video presentations of these findings, and was convinced right away.
However, I personally found your earlier presentation (given in Australia) much easier to follow.
When in that presentation you explained that the authentic method and the mistaken method actually give the same result, but didn’t have the same variance. This brought the message home.
The tone of that presentation was, “we agree for the sake of argument with the numbers, we follow for the sake of argument the same model, we make a correction to the feedback equation, and our corrected version also produced the same result.”
Then, dramatic pause… There is a “but”, and a nice graph, which shows, that both models agree on the middle of the road. But when variance is shown on the same graph, the climatologists version is all over the page, while the correct equation is charting a nice neat road across the page. You argue, that the neat version is the correct version, and the argument is complete at that point.
Then the comparison can begin. How does the wrong version, lead to climate alarmist interpretation, of the same empirical data.
Those of us with an instinct for how control systems behave (I speak of engineers, including myself) know that there is no actual common sense sign of runaway feedback in the climate system, and the correct model bears this out.
But now we can see how those who are dedicating themselves to modelling software, who may not have done control systems labs, or basic electronics, if they put their numbers in, to their model, the variances on the output are so wide as to scare the living daylights out of them.
They are told that any output sensitivity greater than 1.5 means we are toast, and their models, all of them, no matter how conservative, give values ranging up to 3 or more, and thus to them, panic is the “scientifically justified response”.
So, when you look at the width of the road, the variance, the authentic model shows that at all points on the sensitivity curve, there is a similar narrow range of variance. The model is being being coherent, for all values of input, the relationship to the sensitivity output is clearly around about the calculated value.
The climatologists feedback equation gives the same curve but with an obvious glaring problem. The variance road starts off narrow, in the region of least concern, but rapidly widens. This shows clearly that any alarmist thinking applied to the input will be amplified dramatically on the output.
In other words, when an alarmist considers the range of temperature perturbations predicted by their (overly pessimistic) models, and inputs them, the graph shows the wide road of variance in sensitivity, is well into the run away feedback amplification area where your microphone is howling out of control.
And this result is what is driving the input alarmism. In other words there is another feedback loop in play. Alarmism begets alarmism.
So I found that your original presentation did a lot for me, in terms of explaining the logic behind the whole political scene.
Your more recent papers have a different tone completely. You appear to start with a taunt “those idiots forgot the sun was shining”. Which is indeed true, and then you dive into maths to prove the point.
It really doesn’t come across as sympathetic to those who have been unwittingly carried away by a misubderstanding.
I think it would help you to put across your case if you go back to the… “We got the same results… until…” line of argument.
I can see that you have fleshed it out a lot more since then, but I don’t think bolstering your case with more robust equations is what’s needed here. Your earlier presentation offered a lot more hand holding inviting the audience to follow the same trail of discovery that you had recently stumbled across.
Experts are not always the best teachers or coaches. They may forget what it is like to be a beginner. That is what your current paper feels like to me as compared to earlier presentations. I suggest a rethink, or hand it over to a less expert author to re-present the story from the beginning.
Blessings to you, Keith H.
Keith H,
As a (retired) professor of computer science I taught (among other things) computer modeling. I would point out that computer models suffer from two major flaws: Oversimplification and GIGO.
A model must be a simplification. Must. Oversimplification is common in models — factors which are present in the real world are all too often not included in the model.
Garbage In; Garbage Out is common, too. That is, the input data may not include relevant data.
These are the banes of computer modeling. Only if the predictions actually match the real world can a model be trusted at all.
From CO2isLife’s post, https://youtu.be/K_j1NoBRQ6U shows how the climate models do not match reality. So either the models are incomplete (oversimplified) or they do not consider all relevant data.
No doubt Einstein would have had a much longer wait time for publication or comments in this day and age and it would still depend considerably on which journal and if the one person capable of understanding it ever got to it (Planck).
Lord Monckton,
Do by all means proceed. At the present, the formulae are of less import than a decade ago, when it was more reasonable to consider the alarmist position. Now, a decade having passed, the evidence is the more explicit: there has been fraud.
In no instance am I suggesting that the proving of the science less matters now. On the contrary, it must be done if a stake, a heart and a crossroads are to be joined. But the science bears less today than it would have done ten years ago upon the decision to claim fraud.
If I am a police officer and I have seen murder done with my own eyes, I pursue the murderer. I know that I shall still have to prove murder in court, but that is second in my consideration of whether to bring the murderer to justice. This I must do. The proof I must thereafter present.
One comment gave the opinion that the collection of a fund for this cause ought to be possible. I agree.
If you will proceed, you will do honor a favor.
This is very interesting as the thermodynamic properties of water support the conclusions on the question of feedback.
Whether deliberately or not the IPCC. models appear to ignore these vital properties; namely that at water phase change, absorbed energy is converted to Latent Heat AT CONSTANT TEMPERATURE and further results in a rapid increase in volume, creating buoyancy in the gaseous vapor additional to any thermal influences.
This results in the. sensitivity coefficient (K) in the Planck equation dF = KdT being equal to zero with consequent effect on the Climate Sensitivity value.
What is of interest here is the link shown between humidity values and the feedback factor. Not surprising really as the more evaporating water in the atmosphere the more the reduction in sensitivity.
It may be said that where water is concerned the net feedback effect is a balance between the positive GHE of the water in the absence of phase change and this negative feedback generated by the Latent Heat process.
All in all I suggest that the balance is negative; NOT positive as claimed by the IPCC and this would go some way to explaining the disparity between the models and observed reality.
As for the fraud aspect: there are plenty of examples out there, starting within the IPCC itself.; but there are now very powerful influences out there hell bent on making a mockery of the legal system. A huge problem now that the scientific community (with beleaguered exceptions) has sold its soul to politics.
“shortens lifespans by ~20 years” – for 1.3 billion people.
That’s 26 billion years of life, excised.
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ScuzzaMan
If the CAGW hysterical politicians and extremists get their way, some 6 billions humans will be killed due to the loss of petroleum and fossil fuels. Times 60 years of life. Definitely exorcised.
That 1.3 billion claimed killed? 0.000000011 billion in real life. Maybe. No one has died from CAGW in 40 years.
If 20 time 1.3 billion = 26 billion is too hard for anyone here, I doubt you should be arguing about climate science.
“shortens lifespans by ~20 years” – for 1.3 billion people.
That’s 26 billion years of life, excised.
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@mod: if multiply 1.3 billion by 20 years, what do you get? 26 billion years. What were you failing to understand about that?
Regardless of how correct or not this paper is, the points being made are moot.The theory has already been falsified due to lack of tropospheric hotspot, no point going down any other rabbit holes. Sticking to simple refutation based on the rules climate science itself has established is the best way to go.
Even then it won’t make any difference where it matters,as most people on here know it is a politics and supranational organisation game being played here,science,objectivity and truth don’t come into it.
I believe this approach has more validity than the frivolous lawsuits being thrown out of court here in America. Best wishes Lord Monckton!
I have to say, whether my friend Lord Christopher Moncton is right or wrong, I’m absolutely and complete opposed to involving the judicial system in scientific debates. In a past discussion, Christopher even threatened me with legal action … say what?
I can assure you, it did not move the debate forward …
So how about we keep the judicial system separate from the scientific debates, except for charming folks like Peter Gleick?
I say this in part because the usual problem is not fraud, it is what is called Noble Cause Corruption. This happens when someone thinks that their cause is so important that they can neglect minor things … and after while, in the name of saving the world from some imagined Thermageddon they move to neglecting major things, generally accompanied by ignoring some part of the science.
We now return you to your previous scheduled programming.
w.
I have to agree with Willis here.
Willis
The “Noble Cause” argument exists in many forms, not least politics.
Boris Johnson is now being hauled up in front of the courts for stating that the UK gives £350M per week to the EU.
By both legal and scientific metrics, if that amount is £349, he is guilty of fraud.
But legal and scientific metrics are founded in fact, not so politics.
If Boris is out by, say, £50m, it doesn’t dilute the concept that the amount is obscene, which conveys a message.
My point is here, if Boris can be hauled up in front of a court for violating the Noble Concept of politics, then The Noble Concept of law and science are both liable to scrutinisation.
Personally, I think it’s all cr@p. Let a lawyer near anything and it all goes to cr@p. They are not arbiters of fact, they are arbiters of their own bank balance.
Y
“By both legal and scientific metrics, if that amount is £349 (sic) , he is guilty of fraud.”
How can that statement , in legal or scientific terms, be “fraud”? Who does it deceive to their irreparable harm?
If I claim in court that you stole $1000 from me, how do you think you would fare if you said, “Your Honor, he’s lying! It was only $999!”
Anna
The courts would consider the circumstances of the theft and the plaintiff’s claim.
If you agreed a contract with a seller to pay £1,000 for an item and you turned up with £999.99 the seller is perfectly within their rights to refuse to honour the contract.
If the refs are acting fraudulently during the debate, then it is no longer a scientific debate and an external force can and should be applied. If a hierarchy becomes corrupt and is too rigid to be reformed from within, then it must be dismantled by force.
Even if M is correct in his hunch concerning the review and even if he experiences the same thing at two additional journals, then the poice might get involved, where ‘involved’ means they take a look. So we’re no where close to charges being laid or anything remotely forceful. I see nohing controverdial here, other than the reviews and treatment M appears to have been given and the reaction M relates.
Willis-
While I agree with you that the judicial system should not be used to decide science, Lord Monckton presented a paper questioning the science, for review. As I understand it, he was going to use the refusal to publish such a paper as evidence that there was fraudulent intent on the part of those who refused to publish anything that did not support CAGW.
There is plenty of science, including some provided by you, that causes extreme skepticism of the case for CAGW. So science is not the problem. The problem is people using CAGW for their own partisan purposes. While undoubtedly there is some Noble Cause Corruption, there is a great deal more out-and -out fraud. Your mention of Peter Gleick is a case in point.
Therefore the solution lies not in science, but in the political realm. While I have an incomplete understanding of the British governing system, in the US, this would include the administrative, legislative, and judicial branches of the government. So the judicial system does have a part to play.
Old Engineer and HotScot, letting judges decide what scientific papers should be published is a HORRIBLE idea. Think about it. Here is exactly what will happen if we do that.
Every person with some lunatic theory that doesn’t get published will be running to a judge and saying:
Yeah, that will turn out just fine … NOT. You are asking a judge to override a reviewer who in most cases is an expert in the field. Not a good idea.
Finally, neither you, I, or Christopher have a RIGHT to have our work published in scientific journals. And the journals are free under the law to reject your brilliant paper merely because they don’t like the cut of your jib. So just what do you plan to charge them with?
w.
Hehe, that’s pretty incisive, albeit maybe a little disillusioning. Reality strikes, journal editors get to do whatever the heck they want!
Just for the record, I’ve read enough of Monckton to understand his basic idea. I think of his idea as a kind of idealization, to try to model water vapour feedback as a “whole signal” temperature amplification. This makes some kind of sense physically if you think that the earth has an overall IR emission temperature that responds in some direct way (on an absolute temperature scale), to the total flow of energy through the averaged sun/earth/space system that must be assumed in this idealization.
Anyway, good ideas for physics models notwithstanding, I think the science journals are going to have to go through some sort of “drain the swamp” exercise on climate change, i.e., they will only change in response to the politics of drying up much of the money attached to a certain way of thinking about things. Threatening to sue them, or prosecute, etc., might actually have an opposite effect, getting them more attention, higher profile, more funding, etc?
If Chris can demonstrate that the scientific journal published papers to a lesser standard or had a record of publishing papers with a particular scientific or political slant, whilst claiming to be impartial, then I think there is a very good case to confront them legally.
How about we have a journal claiming to be impartial and then publishing nothing but alarmist climate science…..Oh wait!
Indeed, the BBC has already said it’s production staff are to ignore climate ‘deniers’ altogether. The BBC has a duty to be impartial because everyone who watches it is required to pay a licence fee irrespective of their political, scientific, religious, ethnic etc. inclinations.
So where does this rot start, where does it stop and how do we counter it?
Most certainly, as far as the BBC are concerned, innumerable people have written to them objecting to their partisan left leaning agenda, but they take no notice. It’s also very difficult and very expensive to challenge them legally as they have lots of OP’s money to spend.
So perhaps the route to a solution is to start from the bottom and work up.
Clearly, there is a lawyer who agrees with Chris. And whilst I think we all disagree with the concept, perhaps we all must hold our nose and accept the medicine required to halt the infiltration of politics and scientific agenda’s into climate science, that everyone has been objecting to for decades.
Willis-
I agree with you that letting judges decide what gets published is a horrible idea, and that no one has a right to have their paper published. My thoughts are more philosophical than that.
The CAGW crowd became adept at using the courts to get their way long before “sue and settle,” and, in the US anyway, it seems that daily they are exploring new ways to use the courts. It seems to me that Lord Monckton is just doing just that. Exploring how the courts might be used to counter the barrage of CAGW propaganda. I wish him well in his efforts.
Years ago, when I first started reading WUWT, it was mostly about the science, and your contributions were some of the ones I read most eagerly. After a while I realized that there was little more that could be said. The science, rather than being settled, was wide open to question. But still the CAGW beat continued. When more political posts began being run on WUWT, some commenters objected, but not me. It is in the political realm that CAGW must be defeated. Therefore ways must be explored to combat the propaganda by all means possible, including the courts. Perhaps Monckton’s current efforts are not the way, but maybe they will led to other efforts that will be successful.
I don’t even see how a judge deciding on a paper even factors in at all here. The jidge would rule on whether or not the editor(s) are engaged in fraud. That still doesn’t get the paper published. How could it exactly? Suppose the verdict is guilty. At most editors and journals in general then adopt a bit more cautious and careful approach with their reviews. How? The easiest way to do it would be to take a more serious look at the reciews and the authors’ responses, detailing the criticism they deemed most important in their decision letter. A good editor will actually already do a bit of that in their decision letter.
You have a point. We are not dealing with science in this noisy debate. Scientific debate is conducted quietly in the background. The noisy debate is political. According to the doctrine of separation of powers the courts would be correct to refuse getting involved with political issues.
Observable positive feedbacks – and therefore amplification of water vapour to supposedly drive ‘runaway’ global warming at the levels required for AGW theory, have ALWAYS been absent.
30+ years of relentless climate propaganda.
Actual empirical evidence for ‘catastrophe’ is absent without leave. AGW theory is a totally busted flush.