Guest Opinion: Dr. Tim Ball
When you put the claims of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in perspective, you get a very different picture that defies logic. I decided to do this because of their recent hysterical claims in Special Report 15 (SR-15) designed to frighten and bully the world into completely unnecessary and enormously expensive environmental and energy policies. Charles Steele summarized their claims and proposed policies in his article, “Climate Doom Ahead? Think Twice,”
“…we have only twelve years to avert climate catastrophe and calls for a fundamental transformation of society and end to the use of fossil fuels. Endorsing it is a critical step towards adopting it, and adopting it would change virtually every element of civil society as we know it today.”
Steele notes that,
“It’s less a scientific report and more a political platform, driven by ideology, not science.”
I agree. Even some members of the IPCC admit it is not about climate but involves an excuse for ideological actions such as a transfer of wealth. However, the majority of the IPCC and its proponents would disagree. They would claim the concern and demand for action are based on science set out in the AR5 Working Group I Report, The Physical Science Basis. Well, let’s examine what they say.
My comments in regular type follow the IPCC claims in italics.
1. Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems. {1}
The first sentence is a non-sequitur and represents a classic form of introduction to deception. Human influence is not clear because human production of CO2 is within the error of the estimates of two major natural sources, the oceans, and rotting vegetation. You cannot separate human production from the noise of non-human production and variability. Obviously, anthropogenic emissions are the highest in history. If you have a constantly increasing level, the highest levels are the most recent. The second sentence is unprovable. If you don’t know the baseline, that is the impact of climate change before the human impact, then you cannot determine any trend. Consider just one example. There is more total forest in the world than existed in the past. America has more trees than existed 100 years ago. How do they know? Besides, it depends on what time in the past you choose. For example, there are many more than existed 20,000 years ago at the peak of the last glacial period.
2. Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen. {1.1}
This is another form of introduction to a deception that starts with a false premise. Even a brief look at any historical climate record shows equivocal and even greater periods of warming than those between 1950 and 2018. Just look at the Antarctic ice core record from Petit et al.
Remember, they subjected this curve to a 70-year smoothing, so much of the variability was eliminated. Despite that, there is great variability over short periods. Then consider the Central England Temperature curve from 1659-2018. There is nothing extraordinary in the 359-year record when compared to the 68 years from 1950.
The IPCC assert with 95% certainty that 95% of the temperature increase since 1950 is due to human CO2. The problem is if that is true then the record cold temperatures occurring now cannot occur. If the IPCC claim is correct the only way such record cold can occur is if the CO2 level decreased. However, it is the IPCC who tell us it continues to increase.
The fallacy of the IPCC claims is in the continual changes of temperature that occur every day. The Sun rises, and the temperature begins to increase as the solar angle increases. There is no increase in CO2, just as there is no decrease when temperatures begin to decline as the Sun sets. If CO2 is the dominant factor in temperature increase as the IPCC claim, then it should be a major influence on the daily temperature, but there is no such evidence.
As usual, the mainstream media reports that 2018 is the sixth warmest year on record even before the year is over. This is not surprising or significant because the highest temperatures must occur at the end of a warming period. The most reasonable period to consider for this warming trend is from the nadir of the Little Ice Age in the 1680s or over the last 338 years.
The media reported on front pages all over the world the IPCC 2001 Report that drove the world into warming hysteria because they said temperatures rose 0.6°C in approximately 120 years – an increase not possible without human CO2. Why aren’t they reporting with equal vigor that in just two years from February 2016 to February 2018 the global average temperatures fell by 0.56°C? If the IPCC claim about the dominant role of CO2 post-1950 is correct, then that warming simply cannot happen.
3. Anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have increased since the pre-industrial era, driven largely by economic and population growth, and are now higher than ever. This has led to atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide that are unprecedented in at least the last 800,000 years. Their effects, together with those of other anthropogenic drivers, have been detected throughout the climate system and are extremely likely to have been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century. {1.2, 1.3.1}
Here is another typical form of introduction designed to set the stage for the falsehood that follows by making a statement that appears absolute because of its unjustified certainty. They neglect to say they limited the ‘greenhouse gases’ to CO2, which is approximately 4% of the total. Yes, human greenhouse gas emissions are higher than ever, but you cannot substantiate the claim of their impact if you don’t know how much water vapor, the most important and abundant greenhouse gas by far, there is, or how it varies over time. The claim that levels of carbon dioxide and methane are unprecedented in the last 800,000 years is only true if you ignore the severe problems and limitations of the ice core measures and ignore the 90,000 19th century CO2 readings that show much higher levels. It is not true if you extend the record back to 280 million or 600 million years then the levels are among the lowest. All of this is only valid in their claims if you assume that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase. However, that is not true in any of the records. Indeed, the lack of correlation between CO2 and temperature in the geologic record contradicts their claim more dramatically. The Ordovician Ice Age, approximately 432 million years ago, occurred when CO2 levels were over 4000 parts per million.
4. In recent decades, changes in climate have caused impacts on natural and human systems on all continents and across the oceans. Impacts are due to observed climate change, irrespective of its cause, indicating the sensitivity of natural and human systems to changing climate. {1.3.2}
This is another classic introduction that appears authoritative, but in fact, is what the English call “Stating the bleeding obvious.” In all decades throughout Earth’s 4.5-billion-year history, climate change caused impacts on natural systems. It is disingenuous and wrong to separate human systems because we are part of the natural system. This is another example of the false assumption that humans are not natural that I wrote about before. The entire comment is an insult to the intelligence. It is a statement of environmental platitudes that says absolutely nothing – in other words, it is purely political. Despite that, production of the IPCC Reports costs millions, and the unnecessary policies, based solely on their falsehoods, cost trillions.
The saddest part of all is a horrible irony. All this waste of time and money to create a lie and inflict completely unnecessary policies at great cost, pain, and damage, is only possible because of successful and wealthy economies based on burning fossil fuels. Paradoxically, the IPCC acknowledges this by saying the less successful economies need financial help to succeed. What do the less successful economies want? The ability to burn fossil fuels. These are the insane actions of politically misguided, ideologues with tunnel vision. It is time to stop the insanity.
Thus the progress of climate change in a culture of corruption fueled by fossils, young and old.
Neomarxism desperate to have a green(Dark red) change, read a classic radical change of the Western World dressed up as being climate action.
Before reality and facts make these radical changes in the Western World meaningless? Its not about saving Nature, climate and Environment. Its about saving marxism?
The proper conclusion they should have arrived at is that we still understand very little about the climate complexity, and that the warmist scientific bias is a threat to the advancement of science. However, that there are no signs of a short term threat of an ice age and that therefore everybody can go to sleep without worrying about the climate.
They don’t care how much we understand. They only want to generate large transfers of wealth on which they can parasitize as rent seekers.
A hundred million is lost here and there. Who will notice in the Trillions being wasted on something that will have no significant impact whatsoever on the temperature of the planet. It doesn’t matter what we can prove because there’s too much money involved for any of them to care. You hit the nail squarely on the head there. The UN believers have to have money for more, “research” and “reports”. Which are an affront to real scientists everywhere and they know how unethical and criminal these UN officials are. Everyone in the scientific community isn’t brainwashed by some of the well paid professors in our universities. Excellent article.
Incompletely, and, in fact, insufficiently characterized, and unwieldy. Chaos, and the imperative for a scientific logical domain in the near space; otherwise, prophecies of the future, and myths of the past.
Better yet, show me that carbon dioxide actually causes warming! Incredibly enough, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE!!! All “proofs” of which I’m aware are THEORETICAL, ONLY (e.g., Feldman, et al., 2015). FACT: CO2’s IR output is from 13 to 17 microns, wavelength, corresponding to a temperature range from -53 to -101 degrees C. FACT: MEAN Earth surface temperature is 288K = 15 degrees C. Tell me how CO2’s relatively weak radiative output equivalent to a range of temperature from -53 degrees C to -101 degrees C can ever raise Earth’s surface temperature by 56 to 118 degrees C? The impossibility of doing that is what finally convinced me that “greenhouse warming” is nothing more than “voodoo science!” (Please respond to my email address, davidlaing(at)aol.com)
Don’t try to bring logic and evidence to this discussion. Show me your model.
A model, hypothetically speaking.
I’ve got Lego models, match stick models, airplane models, just give me a million and I’ll make any model you want to validate thy belief in climate change 😉
Where does that 12 year deadline come from? Why do they project exponential change just now?
That 12-year “deadline” comes from a place where the sun doesn’t shine.
I knew it, Canada, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKUDRW9EA2c
Sasskatoon…
Nice one Ron +1
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Desperation. This may be the last chance the alarmists have before we get some serious cooling.
Even if we ignore sunspots, we still have the AMO which is heading into its cool phase and which will take the global average temperature with it. link CAGW could be a hard sell in the next few decades.
That’s why there is this panic among the warmists and the fraud for grants industry. Ordinary people have seen through the lies. Failed models and forecasts have convinced ordinary taxpayers that there a tsunami of BS. Politicians who try this on are going to get pulverized. The MSM is still affording fraudsters unfettered media space, whilst the independent minded are getting stronger every day.
A lot of **global warming** is tied to the loss of sea ice in the Arctic. If the -AMO regenerates that sea ice then there will be strong cooling in all the data sets. That should mark the end of the alarmism.
If we get a strong La Nina (probably take 2 years) after the current El Nino fades, then that could help drop the AMO (and PDO) and along with the current solar minimum lead to a quick build up of sea ice.
And all of this probable near term cooling will be generally bad for civilization. I remember the winters of the 1960’s and 70’s.
On the positive side would be the (possible) salvation of our scientific institutions… currently corrupt… the vast majority either participating or silent.
Overall a net positive.
The cooling will definitely be a great net positive if we can put the wasted $Trillions to more efficient and positive economic use.
The ignorance of the amount of time needed for doing major projects is staggering. Upgrading Ottawas sewerage system has been going on for about 25 years. Ive been on mining orojects that take 7 to 12 years to complete, building highways, harbour works, railroads … and these ivory tower clowns want to completely dismantle global civilization, switch away from our transportation and power technology, to unproven (actually proven inoperable) alternatives. Its an impotent scream (to whom?) to do something.
Some among this cult must know that with the US out if it there IS no one to do anything. Perhaps the new crop of Climate Depression sufferers are a measure of this awareness.
Trump is really the only good news.
The Global Warming gravy train now has huge momentum. The Australian Capital Territory, where Australia’s law makers take refuge would be 90+% in favour of all the trappings of Global Warming. I figure most Washington DC residents have a similar proportion riding this spectacular money train, who despise their uninformed president.
It would appear London, Brussels, Paris and other capitals are infested with the same politically correct alignment with Global Warming. It will be at least 20 years and lots of obvious cooling before there is enough disillusionment amongst the faithful that Global Warmer loses its PC gloss.
Banks and retirement funds are now locked into the gravy train and would suffer badly if subsidy farming was turned off. Banks are a powerful global lobby and we have seen how high governments jump when banks demand they jump.
A little bit of cold weather is not going to slow this particular train. The weather constantly supplies the rare events that reinforce a message of climate disruption. Fiddling of data can go on for ever as long as government and their authoritative mouthpieces hold true to the religion. There are classic ways to promote Global Warming; like POLAR MASS LOSS being the headline but the actual number being negative or this year was the 70th WARMEST in the last 100 years. The headline gets the attention; the number meaningless.
The major political parties in Australia are essentially aligned on Global Warming because the elected representatives only represent their minders and lobbyists in the capital. Their broadcasting commission is fully aligned with Global Warming and repeat every alarmist headline without filter or even fact checking.
I agree, Rick, 100%.
We tend to think of the AGW issue as a stand-alone issue, but that is far from true. It is an offshoot of a political culture, which, in turn, is a symptom of a disease currently spreading through the human population like the plague.
The disease is victimhood, and the symptomatic politics is socialism.
There is a huge difference between being a victim and living in victimhood. We are all victims on a daily basis, as someone will likely inconvenience us in one way or another at some point, as we tend to in convenience others by just living our lives. Some ‘inconveniences’ are much bigger than others, and the pursuit of justice is a noble endeavor, but victimhood is not about justice. It is about being addicted to the mindset that one’s miserable existence is the fault and responsibility of others, thereby feeling justified in doing anything (or nothing) one wants to do! It is a disease that eats away the life of the infected, individually or as a society, and is highly contagious. It destroys the spirit, happiness and well-being of the diseased, and is the primary cause of human conflict.
The disease of victimhood has always been around, but it is a state of mind that is transmitted through communication. It is no wonder that victimhood is now endemic in human society. The communication revolution has unleashed this plague upon our species, and it is rampant in our schools, our media and our political systems. In today’s world, addiction to victimhood is praised and rewarded, while notions of responsibility and self-reliance are looked upon as suspicious at best, and with great hostility at worse.
It is only in this diseased state of victimhood that socialism can be seen as virtuous and workable. And it is only in this diseased state of victimhood that man-made climate change can even be an issue! If we weren’t infected with victimhood, global warming and CO2 fertilization would obviously be heralded as a gloriously wonderful thing! Mired in this state of ‘look what you did to me’, there can be no good news. Everything is a problem that is someone else’s fault!
Global cooling will not do away with the climate change issue, because the issue is not derived from the almost imperceptible changes in climate, which are overwhelming positive. As long as victimhood is driving our lives, we are doomed to a life of pessimism and misery. That is the legacy we are leaving our children.
God help them!
RickWill, agree. The only way I see the gravy train stopping is hitting the bottom of the canyon after falling off the wrecked bridge.
Excellent comment. I consider it the decline in the physical, mental and spiritual vitality of the middle and upper classes. The decline cuases people to be inadequate to the challenges of overcoming obstacles and induces resentment and spite to those who have the physical, mental and spiritual resources .
We have a large affluent effete impractical opinion forming class who lack the qualities of those who gave us the Agricultural, Industrial Revolutions and great period of exploration.
They are like the Mandarin class which oversaw thedecline of China from about the 18th century.
And we have all these volcano’s going pop.
Theres a decade of cooling, more contraction, more popping.
commieBob
The next important climate change
is going to be the end of our current,
pleasant interglacial period
Minor average temperature changes
of a degree or two C.,
over a century or two,
are meaningless, harmless,
natural variations
… that no one would even notice
if not for the leftists braying like donkeys!
If we could warm the planet
with extra CO2 in the air,
which is a reasonable theory,
but without scientific proof
outside of simple lab experiments,
the extra CO2 would be beneficial
for C3 plants used for food
by humans and animals
… and would
also delay the end
of the interglacial,
and the coming cold climate,
caused by changes
in planetary geometry.
Of course those conclusions
are based on logic,
and real science experiments.
The timing is unknown,
but our current interglacial
has been around for quite a while !
With the usual junk climate science,
any scary fairy tale about CO2
is accepted, and published,
because the primary goal is to scare people
(not to accurately predict the future climate).
After three decades
of wrong climate predictions,
made with computer games,
we all know that predicting
the future climate
is not possible !
With real science,
wrong predictions
falsify a theory / model.
With climate junk science,
wrong predictions are repeated
every year, assuming the sheeple
will forget the prior years’
wrong predictions !
My climate science blog:
http://www.elOnionBloggle.Blogspot.com
Is your word wrap broken?
They assume that the models are correct and that some unknown factor has delayed the warming, and any day now the temperatures are going to snap back to where they are “supposed” to be.
Remember that claim from five or so years back: the missing heat is hiding in the world’s oceans! Time to dust that off and front it once again to explain the developing global cooling trend.
Oh missing heat, olley olley oxen free . . . come out, come out wherever you are!
BTW, why can’t any of those super duper IPCC climate models tell exactly were the “missing heat” is going? (No, please don’t answer that . . . it’s a rhetorical question, of course).
The heat has escaped to outer space where it is doing its small part to bring the universe to thermodynamic equilibrium aka “heat death” or maximum entropy.
Haven’t we already passed several past “deadlines”?
It seems that every time they claim we need to do this or that by (plug in the year), and that year passes, they start up anew with a new year we have to do this or that to avoid some calamity that should have already happened.
Arctic must be already over the threshold if the global average is just 0.5 C away. And my Siberian willows love it 🙂
Haven’t we already passed several past “deadlines”?
The continuous stream of ever revised doom-deadlines over 30 years proves that this is a propaganda exercise and nothing to do with science. It’s all about allowing a governmental structure of high level centralization to form and ‘save.the planet’. (Or was that ‘enslave’).
Agreed. Wasn’t in 2010 we were told that we only had 10 years to save the planet. And the Arctic Ice Death Spiral would mean an ice free Arctic Ocean by 2018.
Can we just except that we are all gonna die and get on with it ?
expect?
Yes prognosis of death is 99.99999999%. ( excepting when the trumpet sounds – 1 Cor 15.)
I’m in denial.
Similar place to this: http://www.jri.org.uk/brief/Briefing_18_Joseph_JTH.pdf
Former IPCC boss Sir John Houghton, in 2009 wrote that we had 7 years to save the planet, based on the story of Joseph in Egypt.
Pharoah and Joseph had
7 YEARS
So have we
2016
Also in 2009, Prince Charles said we had 100 months to save the world.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/4952918/Prince-Charles-we-have-100-months-to-save-the-world.html
It was of course before the Copenhagen Climate COP later that year and they always ramp things up beforehand, as with SR15, started 2 years ago, to be ready just before Katowice.
“Of course the climate is changing. That’s what it does.” Just to be fair, if you intend to say such a thing to a believer, the humane thing is to have some smelling salts available. 🙂
He’d better have Durian at hand.
Thank you, Tim, for your untiring efforts to speak truth to power. What is painfully obvious to most individuals with a solid introduction to the scientific method needs to be stated over and over again.
More than just politics, the modern movement to ostensibly control climate through unprecedented restrictions in the combustion of fossil fuels is a full-blown religion, with original sin, clinate guilt and indulgences. The UN statements are declarations of faith, difficult to prove or disprove, as nobody really knows how much of recent climate change was man-made or not, despite haughty claims otherwise.
Deep down, even the most ardent proponents of the global warming fanaticism know that this is all about moving large sums of money from one place to another. The ‘scientists’ who play along with the charade have knowingly corrupted science in order to keep the party going.
The alarmist rhetoric is becoming shrill, a clear sign of desperation. Let’s hope this is a turning point!
Yes I know, lies, lies and yet more lies.
But it makes no difference, the Media loves it, both to sell the newspaper or TV time, and the fact that at least part a part of the Media use this report for its own political ends.
But sadly the poorly educated politicians as usual are far more concerned at keeping their jobs, than any concern for the well being of the economy.
As said many times before we must wait till the power system finally collapses. Then its time to done the yellow jackets, but by then it will take years to recover.
MJE
Unfortunately, I think you’re correct Michael. It makes no difference and the media loves it.
From where I sit (Toronto, Canada) if you are not on board with the AGW Climate Change alarmist narrative you are irrelevant.
All of our political, academic, media and corporate elites buy into the man-made global warming conjecture. The ignorance surrounding the issue is so dominant I avoid talking about it.
And this nonsense will continue,
This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Don’t avoid talking about it. Confront alarmists at every turn and make it plain that you won’t put up with their bullshit. Visit me on twitter and then email me. I have a plan.
Thank you for the encouragement Alan but it’s not easy.
I come from a family of academics, I sit on the board of my condo and I play senior men’s curling….they are all in the alarmist camp and they are all important to me…so I have no choice, I do not want to be hated.
Heck, I’m the only one in my family with a STEM degree, and I’m the one who gets called anti-science. Luckily my personality prevents me from being put off by that at the least. I just ask them questions like “Do you know how a temperature anomaly is calculated, and what the difference is between an anomaly and a mean temperature?” “Do you know how to calculate the error bars in a series of measurements, and how to determine the precision of the mean?”
“When you’re going through hell, keep going”
IPCC
Press release: May 2017
“Edmonton to host 2018 cities and climate change science conference”, Edmonton, Alberta
https://www.ipcc.ch/search/?search=SDSN
Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN), or a.k.a UNSDSN
IPCC
CitiesIPCC
“IPCC Working Group lll at COP23, November 2017
https://www.ipcc.ch/search/?search=CitiesIPCC
CitiesIPCC
“Cities & Climate Change Science Conference”, March 5-7, 2018, Edmonton, Alberta
Conference information. Follow the links.
http://www.citiesipcc.org
Need to view all 3 of these items for information about IPCC activities in Alberta/Canada and organizations involved with the IPCC. Otherwise, way too much information to try to post here.
Networking?
And,
IPCC
“View Useful Links”
Links include SDSN and other organizations.
Click on any link/links on the Links list menu.
https://www.ipcc.ch/links
Networking?
“bully the world into completely unnecessary and enormously expensive environmental and energy policies. ”
It’s worse than that. They state explicitly that they want to reorganize society from the top to the bottom. That is take power and money from the bottom and middle and concentrate it at the very top.
The IPCC is a clear and present danger to civil society.
Of course, this means that politicians need to “do something” in order to take credit for the drop.
I have noticed that the alarmists on this site have slunk off and are relatively silent on the basis of the preponderance of evidence that this is a scam. They dont have the balls to admit this or else they are still part of groupthink religion.
Oh where is Griff when we need him (for comic relief)?
Alan you need to go on Reddit. The religion is very strong there. Lots of young people.
Warning: it’s mostly anti-Trump, cat and dog postings, but there a few alarmist posts
Thank you, Dr. Ball, for this refutation.
I make a point of reading all your pieces on WUWT because of the clarity of your prose and your citation of sources. I frequently quote your writings for both climate realists and proselytizers of pseudoscience.
Despite relatively mild weather and all that ‘fantastic’ renewal energy, the export of Russian gas to Europe has reached a new record in 2018.
Gazprom, which has a monopoly in gas pipeline exports, has sold 201 billion cubic meters of gas to Europe and Turkey in 2018, or about 3.5 percent more than a year earlier.
The thing that is constantly overlooked is what the IPCC charter says, and has said since the beginning – to identify ways in which HUMANS are affecting climate. With that charter, there is no need to understand what drives climate change, because ipso facto, it is claimed that CO2 is the control knob, and no one has proven differently. I have said for 2 decades that it is time to use ‘real’ scientific methods to determine exactly WHAT greenhouse gases do, if anything. I suspect the answer is nothing, since all gases must obey the same ideal gas laws, and there is no provision for any gas to be treated differently. So, gh gases cannot be at a different temperature than the other gases in the same volume.
So, all the solar effects on our climate are non-starters – we cannot be responsible for changes in the sun, thus no research is needed into that area. It is worth reading the charter just to see how they outlined a way to ignore virtually all natural climate change and focus on only one thing – we emit CO2, and thus it is claimed there is an effect. It is a hypothesis, not a theory, nor a law. Hypotheses are proven wrong all the time – they are the weakest of scientific proclamations. Why is no one willing to do the experiments to prove what CO2 does or does not do?
John Shotsky, December 29, 2018 at 12:57 pm
Hi John. You say:
“With that charter (the IPCC’s), there is no need to understand what drives climate change, because ipso facto, it is claimed that CO2 is the control knob, and no one has proven differently.”
That’s an interesting point. The CO2 control-knob has been the central, fundamental axiom of the whole alarmist man-made global warming thought-system from its beginning, but it was formally rationalized and enshrined in the peer-reviewed literature only in 2010 with a paper by Andrew Lacis, Gavin Schmidt et al entitled Atmospheric CO2: Principal control knob governing Earth’s temperature. Their essential argument is summarised in the last sentence of the Abstract, which says:
“Without the radiative forcing supplied by CO2 and the other non-condensing greenhouse gases, the terrestrial greenhouse would collapse, plunging the global climate into an icebound Earth state.”
In other words, they are proposing (elaborated in their full paper) that if all the non-condensing GHGs in Earth’s atmosphere were to be removed, the global mean temperature would drop sufficiently to cause all of the condensing GHGs (chiefly water-vapour) to precipitate out completely and leave the atmosphere totally without any GHGs at all, whereby the Earth would revert to its so-called “black body temperature” of about –19°C.
i.e.: No non-condensing GHGs (chiefly CO2) = no global warming = “Snowball Earth”. Thus, non-condensing GHGs control the global mean temperature.
As readers might guess, they justify this proposition wholly on the basis of their own, self-invented climate model and computer simulations, without reference to any empirical observations of the ways in which condensing GHGs actually behave in the real atmosphere and without explaining how their argument can possibly be reconciled with basic laws of physics with which it is obviously in conflict.
It is well-known to physicists that all liquids evaporate and all solids sublimate to some extent, even though their rates of evaporation and sublimation depend on their surface temperatures (and other factors). But whatever their temperatures might be, there will always be some evaporation and sublimation; it just happens more slowly under cooler temperatures, right down to absolute zero.
So if we could remove all non-condensing GHGs from Earth’s atmosphere and, at the same time, somehow cause all the condensing GHGs to precipitate out and cause the global surface to cool to its most frigid possible “Snowball Earth” average temperature as Lacis, Schmidt et al hypothesise, what would happen next?
According to the standard laws of physics, what would happen next is that all the ice which covered the planet from pole to pole would start sublimating, i.e. producing airborne water vapour and, at least at the equator where the intensity of incoming solar radiation was at its strongest, the ice would start to melt and produce water vapour at a faster rate by evaporation. Now, water vapour is recognised by all concerned as being a powerful GHG, so the effect of all this continuous sublimation and evaporation would be to accumulate water vapour in the atmosphere, which would act as a new resident atmospheric greenhouse to produce global warming at the surface via the greenhouse effect.
The accumulation of atmospheric water vapour would continue until it was in balance with the rate of precipitation from clouds and at that point the average global temperature would stabilize – perhaps not at the same level that it had at the start before we removed the non-condensing GHGs etc. (that question is beyond the scope of my present argument), but still substantially above the basic “black body temperature” because of the resident greenhouse effect solely from water vapour. It might take a long time – perhaps a whole geological age – for the new watery atmospheric greenhouse to establish itself, but what of that? It would still happen, inexorably.
So the end effect of removing all non-condensing GHGs from Earth’s atmosphere would be not to turn the planet into a giant snowball as Lacis et al’s bizarre computer-program maintains, but simply to replace its current atmospheric greenhouse consisting of a mixture of various condensing, and non-condensing GHGs with another atmospheric greenhouse consisting solely of water-vapour. There might not even be any significant change in the equilibrium global mean temperature at all.
I am at a loss to understand how supposedly intelligent, highly-educated “climate scientists” like Lacis, Schmidt et al (and their peer-reviewers!) can have missed seeing this basic physical flaw in their argument when it surely must be obvious to any high-school physics student who takes the trouble to read their paper.
+42 and many more.
Since CO2 is quite soluble in water/seawater (think of soda pop, for instance, in the first case), unless Earth’s oceans were fully degassed of all dissolved CO2 before becoming ice-covered, even under snowball Earth conditions the sublimation/evaporation of water into the atmosphere would necessarily involve restoration of some amount of CO2 into the hypothetical non-condensible GHG-free atmosphere.
As to your last paragraph, look up “confirmation bias”.
Cassio
It is fine is they publish such a paper and continue to believe in it. That’s science.
It’s what you do with this proposal which is the problem. Circumventing the validation, verification, certification and auditing processes that happen for every other commodity and service that we deem safe, is the issue.
Saying that for some reason climate is different is another issue.
The erosion by precipitation in a watery world produces the non condensing gases as would volcanic activity which would never cease.
An enjoyable read Cassio.
A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of the action of “heat trapping” greenhouse gases that cause a radiant greenhouse effect. A real greenhouse stays warm because the glass limits cooling by convection. It is a convective greenhouse effect and not a radiant greenhouse effect that keeps a real greenhouse warm. So too on Earth. Instead of the glass of a real greenhouse, gravity and the heat capacity of the Earth’s atmosphere provide a radiant greenhouse effect . As derived from first principals, the Earth’s convective greenhouse effect keeps the surface of the Earth on average 33 degrees C warmer than it would be. 33 degrees C is the amount derived from first principals and 33 degrees C is what has been observed. No added warming has been observed from a radiant greenhouse effect. A radiant greenhouse effect has not been detected on Earth or anywhere else in the solar system for that matter. If CO2 really did cause global warming then one would expect that the increase in CO2 over the past 30 years would have caused at least a measurable increase in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere but that has not happened. Hence there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. The IPCC will never acknowledge such a possibility for fear of loosing their funding.
The alarmists will soon run out of lies.
How do I know?
They are already out of half-truths.
🙂
Re: “The saddest part of all is a horrible irony. All this waste of time and money to create a lie and inflict completely unnecessary policies at great cost, pain, and damage, is only possible because of successful and wealthy economies based on burning fossil fuels.”
Profoundly well stated, Dr. Ball! This is what tears at me the most. The greatest waste of personal and planetary resources ever, driven by a political and scientific fraud deemed essential to create the new socialist world order.
i bet they said that about Stonehenge and the Pyramids too..
Leo,
I’m guessing that only very cynical people would have said that about Stonehenge and the Pyramids. When these mysterious structures were built, civilization and culture flourished thereafter.
By contrast it is foreseeable that if the mentally-toxic climate doomsday cult is not stopped in time, our civilization and culture will perish.
“Why aren’t they reporting with equal vigor that in just two years from February 2016 to February 2018 the global average temperatures fell by 0.56°C? If the IPCC claim about the dominant role of CO2 post-1950 is correct, then that warming simply cannot happen.” Should that not be ‘then that cooling simply cannot happen.’ or can I not understand the meaning?
I think the same thing . . . that the author meant it per your correction, but inadvertently wrote it the wrong way.
Fortunately, we have context to guide us.
Maybe ctm can consult with Dr. Ball on this, and then make the needed correction to the above article.
Agreed, that was my immeidate reaction that it must refer to cooling.
I found numerous typos and grammatical errors and what appear to be rewrites that were not edited properly afterwards.
For example, in this paragraph:
“This is another form of introduction to a deception that starts with a false premise. Even a brief look at any historical climate record shows equivocal and even greater periods of warming than those between 1950 and 2018. Just look at the Antarctic ice core record from Petit et al”
I am pretty sure that the word “equivocal” should instead be “equal”. It does not make grammatical sense as written.
There are lots of others, and punctuation errors too, such as the comma in the second to last sentence.
I think Dr Ball is in a hurry when he writes.
Not taking anything away from his message…I make tons of typos myself.
Ball is completely correct, but the problem is psychological, pervasive, and massive. Those of us who reject the ideology of “sustainability” for which “climate change” is a cover are confronting a mind set that is now nearly universal among educated people in the west. This includes the leaders of all the governments of Western Europe, Canada, and Australia. It includes all the “Academies” that are supposed to guard the standards of science, including the AAAS, and even the American Statistical Association which remains shockingly silent in the face of continuing violations of elementary statistical norms. The underlying problem is fear of the acceleration of human progress which has been accelerating over the last 100 years or more. The fear is that there are too many humans and has a clear lineage from Malthus to P. Ehrlich to the Club of Rome to Al Gore. Every prediction has been totally wrong. Every time they up the rhetoric
The same fear is also expressed by Trump and his followers who fear the massive hoards coming across the southern border, so there is an odd way in which environmentalism and hostility to immigration come together. From my perspective they are both profoundly reactionary ideologies, and they both derive from an anti-human impulse. My fear is that the walk-back from this craziness will never happen in my lifetime. The only interest group which has the resources to fight back are the oil companies, and they would rather play nice and pretend they agree. Such hypocrisy.
We may have a tipping point here. People start to think when they hear that others are skeptic too.
Fearmongering is a signature of fake news and fake science.
Thank you, Dr. Tim Ball, for yet another detailed refutation of the nonsense emanating from the IPCC. One can only hope that continued falls in temperature will finally put an unwilling end to this Red/Green propaganda. Looking at the CET record would be enough for rational folk but this is only a small percentage of the population.
Good ole 1979.
So was the warming we had 12 000 years ago a good warming or a bad one? And would life really be better in Canada with a 2 mile thick ice layer on top of it ?
Tim Ball:
“The problem is if that is true then the record cold temperatures occurring now cannot occur. If the IPCC claim is correct the only way such record cold can occur is if the CO2 level decreased. However, it is the IPCC who tell us it continues to increase.”
But there can be continued cold records.
The world is a big place with plenty of opportunity for weather to play it’s part.
What is expected to happen, and is, is that there will be increasingly be more warm records than cold.
AGW is not a switch!
“The fallacy of the IPCC claims is in the continual changes of temperature that occur every day. The Sun rises, and the temperature begins to increase as the solar angle increases. There is no increase in CO2, just as there is no decrease when temperatures begin to decline as the Sun sets. ”
Nothing like the same thing.
That is the perpetual diurnal/seasonal variation that nature is “aware” of.
It is not aware of AGW warming.
As it continues it’s decadal/century trend.
It therefor has to adapt.
“Why aren’t they reporting with equal vigor that in just two years from February 2016 to February 2018 the global average temperatures fell by 0.56°C? If the IPCC claim about the dominant role of CO2 post-1950 is correct, then that warming simply cannot happen.”
You’re correct, it can’t – and didn’t as that is a tropospheric temp global average and not the surface, where the greatest GHE warming is occurring nocturnally over land.
It can vary due to natural variation though (of course).
I’m sorry Tim, but you are an expert in climate?
And it’s 0.66 actually (from Spencer’s site).
You do know that Trop sat temp radiometers are sensitive to atmos moisture, hence the spikes on them in the peak of an EN ?
And that temps fall back after?
Climate scientists know this.
They also know that it is the long-term temp trend that depicts the climate and not a 2 year one.
UAH V6 is currently warming at 0.127C/dec.
This is leaving aside that UAH V6 is also the coolest trop sat temp series of them all and has had multiple changes in it’s algorithm inflicted on it from the same data that RSS use to come up with 0.2 C/dec.
Because it sounds like you are unaware of natural variation, which still very much affects GMST over the short-term. The ENSO/PDO cycle being the main one. Indeed the prolonged -ve PDO/ENSO cycle of ’99 to ’15 was the reason for the “hiatus”.
“There is nothing extraordinary in the 359-year record when compared to the 68 years from 1950.”
Excuse me but what about after?
A tad important as the GHE only really escaped the -ve forcing of aerosols from ~1970 ….
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYE1ZiW4tkN4WboZleOPmgw8LS7FCsWeCxFUQRe301c971GM3nCQ
“and ignore the 90,000 19th century CO2 readings that show much higher levels.”
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3402/tellusb.v38i2.15083
“We have reassessed measurements of the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide made
during the 19th century by examining original data published between 1880 and 1905 and an
interpretation of these data carried out during the 1930’s by C. S. Callendar, a British
engineer. We have perused an unpublished notebook of Callendar which contains a detailed
analysis of air masses and wind velocities attending some of these 19th century analyses. We
find new evidence to support Callendar’s contention that the concentration of C02 in the late
nineteenth century was close to 290 ppm. Of particular interest are the observations of J. A.
Reiset made on the coast of France from 1871 to 1880 which we show to be consistent with the
seasonal cycle of COz as known from modern measurements. From Reiset’s data, we deduce
that the mean annual concentration of atmospheric COz circa 1880 in uncontaminated air at
SOON latitude was 292 ppm. “
Banton,
You said, “AGW is not a switch!” I guess you didn’t bother to tell Gore that. Why else would he use the “Tipping Point” phrase?
“Why else would he use the “Tipping Point” phrase?”
Spencer:
Because climate “tipping points” are points at which the level of atmospheric GHGs coupled with the time within which a particular RCP would take to slow down the rising trend of CO2 to that which is deemed a safe level has been passed.
So not a “switch” where it has been turned on.
Atmospheric CO2 is only increasing at around 1-2 ppm/year.
We do not know at what exact level it becomes irreversible to avoid certain events that will cause mankind physical and economic hardship that is intolerable.
Depends on your definition of intolerable also.
Science is doing it’s best to inform where that level may be given our current emmisions and likely future paths, that is all.
AB
You said, “We do not know at what exact level it becomes irreversible to avoid certain events that will cause mankind physical and economic hardship that is intolerable.” The latest US government report says that we have 12 years.
Mr. Banton
The CO2 measurements in the 1800s
were not made in suitable locations.
Attempts could be made to replicate
those experiments to double check
the use of ice core data
for pre-1958 CO2 levels,
but no one seems to care.
Humans have added CO2 to the air.
That fact is not in doubt.
In my opinion doing that was good news,
based on my 21 years of reading
about climate science.
If CO2 caused any of the warming since 1950,
which was mainly in the northern half
of the Northern Hemisphere, at night,
and in the colder months, that is good news too.
I have found no logical reason to oppose adding
more CO2 to the air, EXCEPT when done without
modern pollution controls, as too often happens
in China and India — the real pollutants from burning
fossil fuels are dangerous — the CO2 is beneficial.
Anthony and Kym, Not too many skeptics have denied the existence of DWIR. Here is the real effect of CO2
http://applet-magic.com/cloudblanket.htm
Clouds overwhelm the Downward Infrared Radiation (DWIR) produced by CO2. At night with and without clouds, the temperature difference can be as much as 11C. The amount of warming provided by DWIR from CO2 is negligible but is a real quantity. We give this as the average amount of DWIR due to CO2 and H2O or some other cause of the DWIR. Now we can convert it to a temperature increase and call this Tcdiox.The pyrgeometers assume emission coeff of 1 for CO2. CO2 is NOT a blackbody. Clouds contribute 85% of the DWIR. GHG’s contribute 15%. See the analysis in link. The IR that hits clouds does not get absorbed. Instead it gets reflected. When IR gets absorbed by GHG’s it gets reemitted either on its own or via collisions with N2 and O2. In both cases, the emitted IR is weaker than the absorbed IR. Don’t forget that the IR from reradiated CO2 is emitted in all directions. Therefore a little less than 50% of the absorbed IR by the CO2 gets reemitted downward to the earth surface. Since CO2 is not transitory like clouds or water vapour, it remains well mixed at all times. Therefore since the earth is always giving off IR (probably a maximum at 5 pm everyday), the so called greenhouse effect (not really but the term is always used) is always present and there will always be some backward downward IR from the atmosphere.
When there isn’t clouds, there is still DWIR which causes a slight warming. We have an indication of what this is because of the measured temperature increase of 0.65 from 1950 to 2018. This slight warming is for reasons other than clouds, therefore it is happening all the time. Therefore in a particular night that has the maximum effect , you have 11 C + Tcdiox. We can put a number to Tcdiox. It may change over the years as CO2 increases in the atmosphere. At the present time with 409 ppm CO2, the global temperature is now 0.65 C higher than it was in 1950, the year when mankind started to put significant amounts of CO2 into the air. So at a maximum Tcdiox = 0.65C. We don’t know the exact cause of Tcdiox whether it is all H2O caused or both H2O and CO2 or the sun or something else but we do know the rate of warming. This analysis will assume that CO2 and H2O are the only possible causes. That assumption will pacify the alarmists because they say there is no other cause worth mentioning. They like to forget about water vapour but in any average local temperature calculation you can’t forget about water vapour unless it is a desert.
A proper calculation of the mean physical temperature of a spherical body requires an explicit integration of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation over the entire planet surface. This means first taking the 4th root of the absorbed solar flux at every point on the planet and then doing the same thing for the outgoing flux at Top of atmosphere from each of these points that you measured from the solar side and subtract each point flux and then turn each point result into a temperature field and then average the resulting temperature field across the entire globe. This gets around the Holder inequality problem when calculating temperatures from fluxes on a global spherical body. However in this analysis we are simply taking averages applied to one local situation because we are not after the exact effect of CO2 but only its maximum effect.
In any case Tcdiox represents the real temperature increase over last 68 years. You have to add Tcdiox to the overall temp difference of 11 to get the maximum temperature difference of clouds, H2O and CO2 . So the maximum effect of any temperature changes caused by clouds, water vapour, or CO2 on a cloudy night is 11.65C. We will ignore methane and any other GHG except water vapour.
So from the above URL link clouds represent 85% of the total temperature effect , so clouds have a maximum temperature effect of .85 * 11.65 C = 9.90 C. That leaves 1.75 C for the water vapour and CO2. CO2 will have relatively more of an effect in deserts than it will in wet areas but still can never go beyond this 1.75 C . Since the desert areas are 33% of 30% (land vs oceans) = 10% of earth’s surface , then the CO2 has a maximum effect of 10% of 1.75 + 90% of Twet. We define Twet as the CO2 temperature effect of over all the world’s oceans and the non desert areas of land. There is an argument for less IR being radiated from the world’s oceans than from land but we will ignore that for the purpose of maximizing the effect of CO2 to keep the alarmists happy for now. So CO2 has a maximum effect of 0.175 C + (.9 * Twet).
So all we have to do is calculate Twet.
Reflected IR from clouds is not weaker. Water vapour is in the air and in clouds. Even without clouds, water vapour is in the air. No one knows the ratio of the amount of water vapour that has now condensed to water/ice in the clouds compared to the total amount of water vapour/H2O in the atmosphere but the ratio can’t be very large. Even though clouds cover on average 60 % of the lower layers of the troposhere, since the troposphere is approximately 8.14 x 10^18 m^3 in volume, the total cloud volume in relation must be small. Certainly not more than 5%. H2O is a GHG. Water vapour outnumbers CO2 by a factor of 50 to 1 assuming 2% water vapour. So of the original 15% contribution by GHG’s of the DWIR, we have .15 x .02 =0.003 or 0.3% to account for CO2. Now we have to apply an adjustment factor to account for the fact that some water vapour at any one time is condensed into the clouds. So add 5% onto the 0.003 and we get 0.00315 or 0.315 % CO2 therefore contributes 0.315 % of the DWIR in non deserts. We will neglect the fact that the IR emitted downward from the CO2 is a little weaker than the IR that is reflected by the clouds. Since, as in the above, a cloudy night can make the temperature 11C warmer than a clear sky night, CO2 or Twet contributes a maximum of 0.00315 * 1.75 C = 0.0055 C.
Therfore Since Twet = 0.0055 C we have in the above equation CO2 max effect = 0.175 C + (.9 * 0.0055 C ) = ~ 0.18 C. As I said before; this will increase as the level of CO2 increases, but we have had 68 years of heavy fossil fuel burning and this is the absolute maximum of the effect of CO2 on global temperature.
So how would any average global temperature increase by 7C or even 2C, if the maximum temperature warming effect of CO2 today from DWIR is only 0.18 C? This means that the effect of clouds = 85%, the effect of water vapour = 13.5 % and the effect of CO2 = 1.5%.
Sure, if we quadruple the CO2 in the air which at the present rate of increase would take 278 years, we would increase the effect of CO2 (if it is a linear effect) to 4 X 0.18C = 0.72 C Whoopedy doo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember CO2 affect by itself is logarithmic, not linear. (If fossil fuel grows exponentially, then log of exponential is linear.)
Alan:
You should have gone to the below for your explanation of physics of the inbalance of incoming Solar SW vs outgoing LWIR as caused by anthro GHGs.
Rather than your sky-dragon slaying death by wordiness you posted above ….
https://scienceofdoom.com/roadmap/atmospheric-radiation-and-the-greenhouse-effect/
Be sure to read all 12 parts (and the addended
Theory and Experiment – Atmospheric Radiation – real values of total flux and spectra compared with the theory.with referrence to he peer-reviewed papers cited.
You say, “At the present time with 409 ppm CO2, the global temperature is now 0.65 C higher than it was in 1950, the year when mankind started to put significant amounts of CO2 into the air. ”
According to NASA GISS, the “global temperature” rose at much the same rate between 1910 and 1940 — previous to, as you say, ” the year when mankind started to put significant amounts of CO2 into the air. ”
So, if 40 years before humans put significant amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, the global temps rose at much the same rate, what caused that warming?
“Really? Rejecting even the most basic atmospheric physics?”
Funny. There is no basic atmospheric physics.
There is a very complex and poorly understood air/sea/land system
that does include radiatively active gases. Other than the inclusion part,
there is a lot of disagreement.
Confusing 2 different things.
The 0.6°C warming since 1880 (as it was in 2000; it’s now ~1.0°C) is the value produced using linear regression of the surface data 1880-2000. You can do this yourself on Excel. Use the ‘=linest’ function and the monthly surface data anomalies from more or less any of the producers. Multiply the ‘=linest’ value by the number of monthly updates. You’ll get ~ 0.6°C. That’s the total temperature change estimate 1880-2000.
The fall in temperatures between February 2016 to February 2018 hardly makes a dent in the overall warming figure; which, as I say, is now closer to ~ 1.0 than 0.6°C. Again, you can check this for yourself using surface data and Excel ‘linest’ function. This is because linear regression takes account of the whole data set; not just the recent perturbations.
The drop since the last El Nino doesn’t even make a dent in UAH, which only starts in Dec 1978. The fall after the last big El Nino was totally expected and makes practically no difference to the overall UAH trend.
Please check this for yourself, as I often urge people to do. Here’s a starter though: the chart below shows UAH TLT current data with the trends from Dec 1978- Dec 2000 and the trend Dec 1978-present. Do you see any big cooling impact since Feb 2016? Me neither.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/graph/uah6/plot/uah6/to:2001/trend/plot/uah6/trend
Discussion of a temperature ‘drop’ off a planetary El-Nino peak, to its former approximate level, is crackpot land.
It has nothing to do with climate-change.
Modern observational data also have nothing to do with the climate-change trend. Including the entire SAT record and the entire history-adjusted and then UHI-degraded ‘global’ ground station ‘log’, which is useless for elucidating any climate-change trend, and is only serving as confected props for a despicable political-propaganda factory that produces phony fake-nuws click-bait blather about mere weather cycles.
‘Climate-change’ occurs on a timescale humans don’t comprehend hence the desperate nonsense of claiming a 30 year period of SAT records provides climate-change ‘trend’ clarity, or that mere El-Nino-cycle temperature noise signifies something relevant to a climate variation process.
/turboflush
My point is that the so-called “cooling” since the peak of the last big El Nino was entirely to be expected, was widely forecast, and has made not the slightest dent in the long term temperature trend. That stands true whether you use the long term surface data sets or the more recent satellite TLT sets.
The claim that ‘temperatures in Feb 2018 were lower than they were in Feb 2016, therefore the IPCC’s projections have failed’ is risible nonsense.
DWR54,
El Niño is a natural climate phenomenon.
So you are telling us that the spike in 2015/2016 and the plummet from 2016 to 2018 are occasioned by natural non-human induced causes?
Two years of global cooling from 2016 to 2018 are insignificant but 23 years warming from 1976 to 1998,( less than a Climate Normal) are probative of a global warming theory?
“Two years of global cooling from 2016 to 2018 are insignificant but 23 years warming from 1976 to 1998,( less than a Climate Normal) are probative of a global warming theory?”
Yes. Two years of anything are almost certainly insignificant. 23 years of warming much more likely to be significant.
For example according to UAH the trend between 2015 and 2017 was a rise of almost 16°C / century. Nobody should suggest that that was indicative of how temperatures temperatures will behave over the next century. Since the spike in 2016 temperatures have “plummeted” at the rate of around 14°C / century. In neither case was the rate of change statistically different from noise.
In contrast the trend over the 40 years of UAH history is a rise of around 1.3°C / century. Less than all other data sets but still statistically significant. There’s no doubt that global warming has been happening over that period, whatever its cause.
DWR54,
You attempt to invalidate what Tim Ball is saying about the issue of the world temperature plummet from 2016 to 2018 by referring us to the UAH data from December 1978 to the present.
Would you now do the interactive graph at woodfortrees.org for 2000 to 2018 for the UAH6.0 lower trop. global mean.
Note the spike peaking at an anomaly of +0.85 C and now around +0.4 C.
Would you not agree that the trendline for this century is flatlining?
Secondly,the SR15 Summary for Policymakers at A1.1 says that global warming overall is increasing at about 1 degree C since pre-Industrial (1750) times ( likely range 0,8C to 1.2C).
At A1.2 it states that warming is ‘ generally higher’ over land than over the ocean.’
What does the IPCC say is the decadal increase in Ocean temperature since 2003 as recorded by the Argo buoys?
Willis Eschenbach as well as a number of sceptical climate scientists say that the decadal movement in OHC is negative, or mildly positive.
Bear in mind that we are assured by mainstream scientists that most warming since 1960( about 85% ) has happened in the oceans.( Source: Australian Chief Scientist Penny Sackett and Professor Will Stefan in response to Professor Bob Carter and 3 others’ Questions to Climate Minister Penny Wong, 15 June 2009.)
Richard Molineaux,
The decadal rate of warming you get from the UAH 2000 to 2018 bar line is hardly frightening.
Yes, I have tried 30 years ( a Climate Normal) and the warming is still insignificant and certainly not ‘unprecedented’, as we are repeatedly misinformed.
Try 8,500 years back to the Holocene Optimum.
Are world Temperatures warming or cooling?
Depends on your start and end points, and Tim Ball’s points are correct.
And you have not addressed the Argo buoys question.
“Frightening” and Insignificant” are not scientific terms. They are terms used in policy making.
We know what time period we should look at for policy making. It is the time that we take to renew our infrastructure.
Infrastructure needs renewing periodically so almost all of the cost of adaptation is already built in if the climate change is within natural variability over the time that we take to renew our infrastructure.
That time period is 50 years. But we should use 30 years as we don’t want to run up to the limits (remember Katrina).
We know what temperature rise is considered newsworthy. It’s 2°. However, some people think that 1.5° is a safer limit. Me, I think 3° would be a net benefit as we could make use of Siberia and Canada.
So the key question is: Will the world warm 1.5° in 30 years?
If the answer is No then the AGW issue requires no action. The Precautionary Principle does not apply.
No mitigation actions or costs are needed.
Adaptation will suffice.
And any resources used on mitigation (e.g. renewables) is food taken from the mouths of the world’s poor.
That is how to distinguish the significance of the science. What does it mean for practical purposes.
“Steyn isn’t a scientist, and his opinion has no bearing on science.”
That statement merely proves you know nothing about science, and are just an NPC following its programming. Which, frankly, is no shock.
The High Priesthood of Science don’t get to tell us what reality is. The data does.
By what metric can one claim knowledge exceeding that of another by several orders of magnitude and by what evidence is there that this claim is true?
Your bias is again confirmed by attacking Steyn’s lack of scientific
education.
1. Nobody claimed he did.
2. He researched the many and known fallacies of Mann’s hockey stick. He researched the scientific criticisms by PHD scientists. He researched Mann’s own colleagues and co-authors, a number of whom denounced the hockey stick and many facets of paleo-climate research. One said defending the work was “defending the indefensible.” A co-author said they could take all the studies, combine them with the most published researchers, and ” we would still know fuxx all about 20 th century variability.”
Yet you instead attack Steyn’s lack of a science background; a pathetic excuse to ignore the easy to understand criticisms of many PHD scientists.
In a like manner you have failed to address many specific criticisms, instead attacking blog posts use of “unscientific” terms.
The entire field of CAGW is full of unscientific terms. The term CAGW is a far more accurate term for the theory. Yet the pseudo scientific political pundits of doom call the theory “Climate Change”; a purely political label.
With El Nino the temperature peaked and with weakening of El Nino it comes down to its original leve; but if La Nina follows El Nino, the fall peaks down with weakening of La Nina again it goes up. Indian rainfall show pattern with El Nino and La Nina. For example [southwest monsoon rainfall]
D BN N AN E Total
El Nino 07 05 05 00 01 18
Normal 14 13 37 14 06 84
La Nina 00 00 07 07 10 24
Total 21 18 49 21 17 126
D = deficit, BN = below normal, N = normal, AN above normal, E = excess [1880-2006]
With the normal condition in temperature, rainfall occurs around normal; in La Nina years normal to above normal and in El Nino years normal to deficit.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
Richard m
“No study has proven it false”
McIntyre and McKitrick 2003 proved it false.
Following publication of this proof, Mann started to say “The debate is over”.
Oh look Obfuscation by omission.
Remind us again of the amount of the warming that comes from NOAA Adjustments to the Data as declared by NOAA.
At the time of the Menne-etal study in 2009 the change in Temperature trend from 1895 to 2007 was 0.063-0.018 = 0.045C per decade for the Max and 0.090-0.054 = 0.036C.
So from 1880 to 2020 we have 14 decades at 0.045C/decade = 0.63C of warming.
So how much does that leave far ACTUAL warming one asks?
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/papers/menne-etal2009.pdf
It means for 140 years it is 0.63 oC and thus for 150 years [IPCC consider 1951 as the starting year of GW; 1951 to 2100] will be 0.675 oC. This is not global warming due to anthroppogenic greenhouse gases increase in the atmosphere. If 50% of it is GW, then it is 0.3375 oC. If we correct this for adjustments made by NOAA, GW practically zero. The other 50% is contributed by local factors associated with ecological changes, general circulation patterns, orography, etc. They are all location specific. They differ: coastal to inland stations.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
When I meet a member of the brainwashed public, all innocent, I ask wonderingly “what causes climate change?” “Oh, global warming I suppose “. “Did you know there hasn’t been any?”.
Perhaps President Trump, using the threat of the USA ceasing to support the UN, could insist on the charter of the IPCC being changed to simply being research into both climate and weather as to what may occur in the near future, such as say the next 10 years.
A “Balanced research project might be of some value, mitigation of floods etc. Adaptation to whatever nature throws at us. ” I am sure that it was meant t to be that but then the likes of Maurace Strong saw the possibilities politically and the rest is as they say, is “History”.
At present its quite clearly simply a means of removing money from the Western nations and giving to the so called undeveloped countries.
But the crazy part of all this is that on the one hand they say we in the West should De-carbonise, yet if that were to happen then we would no longer have any spare money to give to the undeveloped countries.
But then nothing the IPCC and its Green “Useful idiots” say makes any sense.
As one reader mentioned let have a proper analysis of the properties of CO2. Question Does it store heat, or simply re-radiates it. Because if it re-radiates it, then at night with no input from the Sun, it should absorb any heat in the atmosphere and again re-radiate it out to Space.
And that appears to happen, certainly in a dry place, low humidity y such as desert or near desert such as South Australia, it can be 40 C during the day, yet drop to 15 C overnight. So just how does that happen ?
MJRT
Here’s a scary thought:
If cooling continues, what’s to stop the hoaxers claiming that atmospheric CO2 levels are falling, and causing it?
Adjusting the data to suit………..
I’m surprised they haven’t done that already to cover up for the failure of wind turbines to reduce emissions. If they could point to (fake) reduced levels that would be a more convincing way to sell the things than saying, ‘This isn’t working, but that’s because you don’t have enough of them yet.’
…what’s to stop the hoaxers claiming that atmospheric CO2 levels are falling, and causing it?
That’s the beauty of switching from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’… whichever way te thermometer goes they’ve got it covered…”see we told you so!”
Added to which when the Catastrophic predictions turn out to be gross exagerations they will be able to say “see! all those windmills and solar arrays saved the day keeping the global temperature change under 1.5*C … which it undoubtedly will be 20, 30 years hence or in 2100.
Cheers
Mike
Mauna Loa is still showing increases of CO2. That wouldnt matter anyway if they fudged those figures because they cant fudge the emission figures coming out of China, India and Japan.
Dee: “Here’s a scary thought:
If cooling continues, what’s to stop the hoaxers claiming that atmospheric CO2 levels are falling, and causing it?”
Well, the Climate Charlatans already have that covered. They say there is a possiblity that the temperatures may decline for a decade or so, although they don’t blame dropping CO2 levels for the cooling, but rather natural forces, but they assure us this will only be temporary and then CAGW will resume after this time. So Hansen and Gavin Schmidt are all ready trying to cover their behinds by trying to get out in front of any cooling that might be coming our way. You can’t win with these guys. Everything is CAGW to them, or if they aren’t True Believers then they are the most devious, underhanded people in the world.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/24/nasa-james-hansen-gavin-schmidt-paper-10-more-years-of-global-warming-pause-maybe/
: “Therefore, because of the combination of the strong 2016 El Niño and the phase of the solar cycle, it is plausible, if not likely, that the next 10 years of global temperature change will leave an impression of a ‘global warming hiatus’.”
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So they have put off their day of reckonig for another decade, even if it cools. In their minds anyway.