Red Cross / Red Crescent Dismayed by Fossil Fuel Driven Economic Growth in Asia

Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre
Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Poor people in Asia are rejecting the great renewable energy opportunity.

‘The world is losing the war on climate change’

10/08/2018 – by Dr Maarten van Aalst, Director, Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre

For those of us working on the humanitarian impacts of climate change, last week provided some very gloomy reading, including a stark headline above an Economist leader that ‘The world is losing the war against climate change’.

The authoritative weekly was not asserting that climate has suddenly become a binary issue of victory or defeat but referring to a direction of travel; it argued that on climate, the direction of travel remains the wrong direction.

‘Three years after countries vowed in Paris to keep global warming “well below” 2°C relative to pre-industrial levels, greenhouse gas emissions are up again. So are investments in oil and gas. In 2017, for the first time in four years, demand for coal [the dirtiest of the fossil fuels] rose.’

The main reason? Soaring demand for energy in the booming economies of Asia, where in the decade to 2016 this rose no less than 40 per cent, met almost entirely by coal, gas and oil.

The coming months will feature some significant milestones for international climate policy. In October the IPCC’s long-awaited report on the impacts of global warming of 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels is due, while negotiations on the rule book for the Paris Agreement are scheduled to be completed at the next COP meeting in Poland in December. But it’s already clear we need action way beyond what’s currently happening, and fast, as many of the extremes we are experiencing now are just a taste of what’s to come.

I continue to see strong media coverage of both current extremes and the risks we are getting locked into as a critical factor, and I’m glad to see The Economist, for one, all but taking words out of our mouths. A shift from carbon may eventually enrich economies, their leader last week concluded, but (my emphasis) ‘[p]oliticians have an essential role to play in making the case for reform and in ensuring the most vulnerable do not bear the brunt of the change.’ The humanitarians’ point exactly!

Read more: https://www.climatecentre.org/news/1035/a-the-world-is-losing-the-war-on-climate-changea

Clearly the humanitarian solution is for rich countries like the USA to provide financial assistance to China and other developing countries in Asia, to help wean them away from their reliance on fossil fuels for economic growth, without them having to “bear the brunt of the change”.

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David Guy-Johnson
August 11, 2018 2:40 am

Another one eyed moron who hasn’t a clue.

Reply to  David Guy-Johnson
August 11, 2018 4:03 am

Who lets these mental poppets out of their homes without a keeper?

Years ago I was working as a landscaper and I was in a plant nursery when I asked a laborer to grab one of the Dracaena marginatas that he was near .. ‘what?” asked this guy who’d been in the industry for 10 years , I point he replies ‘oh the purple spikey things’. I tell him it’s name again and suggest I start letting him know at least what the various species were we used most frequently. “forget it, I finished learning when I left school, I don’t want to learn new things” was his reply – one I’ll never forget.

The guy called himself a landscaper, he claimed skills, he was gainfully employed as such and that was his attitude?! I’ve seen it plenty of times since, people who got their jobs and they put their brains on hold and did the bare minimum thereafter.

This sort of thing led me to be very wary of ‘experts’ and ‘professionals’ – basically people who did stuff for a job and somehow they become the go-to dude for facts. I recall one instance where some data from Kodak about it’s product was wrong and I spent weeks going back and forward through their company trying to find someone who had an inkling of what I was talking about, from tech to chemical engineer, the attitude was ‘i don’t know nuthin, I just do my job’ and despite clear evidence that their product was failing in it’s claimed attributes and me discovering why, I couldn’t get it across to anyone – even showing them to their faces caused them to vague out and chant ‘but the Kodak brochure says it works’. . (selenium toner, basically it only worked due to the sulfiding action of thiourea, a compound dropped from later formulations thus making the product utterly incapable of providing any protection to silver prints)

but hey, evidence versus ‘the brochure’ written by the sales guy, better trust the sales guy, HE works for the company so HE must know everything.

So when a person in a position like the above uses his clout without any real information to back him claims I see it as another example of someone reading off the product brochure and naively expecting truth.. and it makes me very cross.

fxk
Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 6:51 am

They work from home, dontcha know? 😉

markopanama
Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 7:54 am

I remember a meeting in the early 80s with execs and engineers at Kodak in which I extolled the coming revolution of interactive media and digital imaging. They listened politely, had not a single question, but the top guy piped up with “That’s nice son, but we’re all silver halide men here.” Or to quote the immortal Lucy, “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with the facts.”

william Johnston
Reply to  markopanama
August 11, 2018 8:19 am

Sorry. I didn’t see your post til after mine. Same response.

william Johnston
Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 8:16 am

Kodak was also told in the late 70’s that they better start exploring digital because film was going to become obsolete. Their response was identical.

Donald Schmitt
Reply to  william Johnston
August 11, 2018 3:52 pm

Ironically the first self-contained electronic camera that used a charge-coupled device image sensor ever built was created in December 1975 by an engineer at Eastman Kodak named Steve Sasson, now regarded as the inventor of the digital camera. but since Kodak was a film company the didn’t take advantage of what should have made them the leading company in digital photography.

drednicolson
Reply to  william Johnston
August 12, 2018 11:00 am

I expect that, much like vinyl records, film photography will survive as a niche market by virtue of its picture quality.

dan no longer in CA
Reply to  drednicolson
August 12, 2018 5:59 pm

I’ve been saying for years that Sears Roebuck could have morphed into what is now Amazon. They had the market and were familiar with mail order. But alas, when the going got tough, they got out of the catalog & mail order business in favor for their brick-and-mortar stores.

Greg
Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 8:28 am

I continue to see strong media coverage of both current extremes and the risks we are getting locked into as a critical factor

Well that is probably a lot of his problem. Thinking that you can get objective science from newspapers with a big fat political axe to grind.

If his job is humanitarian aid he would to better getting on with that than trying to turn RCRC into a similar climate change activist organisation.

noaaprogrammer
Reply to  Greg
August 11, 2018 9:10 am

Most of those NGOs are overloaded with liberals incapable of reasoning skills.

Pierre
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
August 11, 2018 9:42 am

The NGOs are targeted by liberal socialists and they eventually infiltrate even if the original charter was for a conservative cause. They smell other peoples money.

I am seeing a new pattern in these releases. The Global elite must have gotten together recently and decided to double down on alarmism and passed the word on to the minions. Same general alarmist wording in a lot of propaganda lately.

Reply to  Pierre
August 11, 2018 11:16 am

The Climate Action Network coordinates the message worldwide.

getitright
Reply to  noaaprogrammer
August 11, 2018 1:56 pm

More distressing is the new evidence that purports many NGO’s in the foreign sector are riddled with paedophiles and other such opportunists.

simple-touriste
Reply to  getitright
August 11, 2018 4:19 pm

What about pedos in the police-justice system? Anyone is investigating? What about the criminalisation of “sexto” of seventeens?

Sheri
Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 10:24 am

I recently had a problem with a new keyboard. The “customer service” person told me the problem was “it doesn’t work with Mac”. I told him I used the same model for 4 years without problems. His response was “they don’t work with Mac”. No matter what I said about using the keyboard in the past, “it doesn’t work with Mac”. Needless to say, his satisfaction survey was not highly rated.

I went around the problem by purchasing what I needed from a different company. On this purchase, some keys on the keyboard did not function properly, but this time the company said satisfaction was guaranteed and sent me a new keyboard. Amazing. The first manufacturer is a large, well-known company, obviously no longer concerned about customer satisfaction.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 11:20 am

I’ll bet the very last plant name that nursery laborer learned was cannabis sativa.

Many “experts” claim 10 years’ experience when what they have is one year’s experience 10 times.

James Bull
Reply to  Karlos51
August 12, 2018 2:56 am

A grounds maintenance employee when asked what had happened to the garlic I’d had growing in some planters at work replied “was they the green things?” There’s not much you can say to that!

James Bull

Mike Macray
Reply to  Karlos51
August 15, 2018 8:21 am

Good one Karlos51, helps explain why Kodak never saw digital photography coming!

Latitude
Reply to  David Guy-Johnson
August 11, 2018 9:16 am

“Soaring demand for energy in the booming economies of Asia,”

What are they complaining about?….this was the plan they agreed to and exactly what they wanted to happen

Reply to  David Guy-Johnson
August 11, 2018 2:46 pm

All the more reason to NOT donate money to the Red Cross.

Herbert
August 11, 2018 2:58 am

How did the world hold developed countries responsible for global warming?
Let’s list the advances of the last 2 centuries from fossil fuels. (h/t Judge William Alsup)
Why are developing countries like China and Saudi Arabia freed from the cost of combating climate change?
Ah yes, only developed countries have riden the wave of fossil fuels.
So will the developing countries surrender the benefits of an industrial revolution and a technology revolution and other advances?
Apparently not.
Back to the 70s. That’s the 1770s.

Reply to  Herbert
August 11, 2018 9:27 am

Herbert

The whole concept is laughable, it’s extorting money from the wealthy west to hand to the impoverished developing nations in an idealistic belief that everyone should share the worlds wealth, even if they haven’t worked for it.

That is, except for a select few mega wealthy individuals who frequently promote the concept of socialism themselves, safe on their thrones of elitism.

There is a problem though, the idea the Roman Empire would crumble was also laughable, but it happened. Whilst we mock these people, they are working hard behind the scenes to overthrow Capitalism, the very natural order of human existence the greens should be promoting because free trade is the underpinning of humanity. The most natural means of existence, yet unlike every other ‘natural’ thing on the planet the greens squeal about Capitalism being unnatural, despite the gifts it has showered on mankind.

Capitalists should be on notice that the socialist hordes are on the march and the war will be very long and very bloody.

Mock them by all means, but never underestimate them.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  HotScot
August 11, 2018 11:26 am

I see this as the build up to an ultimate confrontation between good and evil. Don’t look for any ‘rapture’ to save you, though. That’s wishful thinking.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
August 11, 2018 1:54 pm

The rapture isn’t about being saved. That is simply a part of society crossing that last line in the sand. It’s part of the unfolding of Armageddon. It is part of the “finality” of God’s judgement.

The rapture isn’t a a salvation to look forward to, it marks the beginning of the ending.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Herbert
August 11, 2018 2:47 pm

China has 45% of the worlds’ skyscrapers.

Alasdair
August 11, 2018 2:59 am

Meanwhile the RedCross/Cresent organisations depend entirely on fossil fuels for their activities; without which they would barely exist.
Another addled brain gets MSM coverage.

Spuds
Reply to  Alasdair
August 11, 2018 3:16 am

I guess they will have to give up all that life saving technology that happens to be made out of fossil fuels and go back to using leeches. More like 570 BC.

drednicolson
Reply to  Spuds
August 11, 2018 6:39 am

We still use leeches for certain medical applications, most commonly when a patient’s blood needs to be kept thin. The natural anticoagulant in leech saliva still works better for this purpose than any synthetic drug we’ve so far come up with.

Reply to  drednicolson
August 11, 2018 8:41 am

I can honestly say that I’ve never seen a jar of leeches in any hospital or doctor’s office in my lifetime.

saveenergy
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
August 11, 2018 10:18 am

If you want to see a leech in a doctor’s office….go private & look at the bill.

drednicolson
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
August 11, 2018 10:49 am

They’re kept in the hospital pharmacy’s back room, in a sterile refridgerated bath. When called for by a doctor, they’re moved to a warm water bath to wake them up and delivered to the patient’s location. Once they’ve taken a blood meal, they become medical waste and are destroyed, commonly by dissolving them in alcohol.

My sister’s a hospital pharmacist, and would tell you that one of the least favorite tasks of the pharmacy techs is cleaning and prepping a new shipment of medicinal leeches. 🙂

u.k.(us)
Reply to  drednicolson
August 11, 2018 6:06 pm

The Rock Bass on Lake Geneva in Wisconsin don’t really mind if the leeches are warm or cool.
You just hook them onto a “fuzzy grub” jig and throw them under the many piers on the lake.
Not sure why, but the boat tends to spend most of its time around the piers where young ladies are sunbathing, the extra shade attracts the fish apparently.

Sheri
Reply to  drednicolson
August 11, 2018 10:27 am

We also use maggots. I had an employer who was diabetic and developed an infection in his leg. The hospital used maggots to clean it. The only problem was when the maggots ran out of dead flesh to consume, they would crawl out of the bandage. The nurses freaked out!

richardw
Reply to  Alasdair
August 11, 2018 4:48 am

And they depend on charitable funding which is generated because they offer medical and humanitarian assistance, not because they use the money to fund a Climate Centre!

michael hart
Reply to  richardw
August 11, 2018 6:00 am

Hopefully it’s just one man who’s job it is to sit in a corner and say something sympathetic about climate because “well, everyone else is doing it so we ought to as well. To keep the money rolling in”.
Personally, I suspect most donors would not consider it a good way to spend the money they have given.

Ken Irwin
August 11, 2018 3:02 am

Why does a brunt have to be borne ? If all the future economic benefits promised by the thermogeddonists was remotely credible then we would all be rushing headlong into renewables .
Clearly they don’t believe their own fairy stories.

Ron
Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 11, 2018 3:18 am

“we need action way beyond what’s currently happening, and fast, as many of the extremes we are experiencing now are just a taste of what’s to come.”

Like the hurricane extremes Al assured us were becoming more frequent and severe?

” NOAA forecasters lower Atlantic hurricane season prediction”

Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 11, 2018 8:52 am

Thermogeddonists–thermogeddon.
Great words!

NW Sage
Reply to  Ken Irwin
August 11, 2018 12:27 pm

The fairy stories may even be true – but if a village is starving ,waiting 20 years for some new technology to be developed and perfected and distributed is not a viable option.

Greg Cavanagh
Reply to  NW Sage
August 11, 2018 2:04 pm

The Catastrophic Anthropomorphic Global Warming meme has been ongoing for 30 years now. How much longer has we got to wait for this new technology?

Spuds
August 11, 2018 3:20 am

It is bad enough if these people could of survived even in the early 20th Century let alone another 200 years prior?

SAMURAI
August 11, 2018 3:35 am

First, Leftists predicted 10C of manmade Warming by 2100 in order to get the enviro-wackos all fired up, and to stop being laughed at, they quickly cut it to 5C, then 4C, then 3.5C, followed by 3.0C, then 2.5C, then 2C, and now it’s even 1.5C is catastrophic…

Without a doubt, 1C will soon be the new catastrophic warming, and finally any warming at all is dangerous, ‘cuz Trump.

Leftists are completely insane….

Reply to  SAMURAI
August 11, 2018 4:13 am

goldfish.

“AHMYGAAAHD, IT”S GETTIN GDARK! ” yes we call this night time, oh clueless one, it happens every day. You did this yesterday, remember?

“AHHH! EEEK! AAHHH!” it’s the light switch, it stops the dark frightening you, just as it does every night..

“STOP, IT BURNS IT BURNS” .. ty not to look directly at the.. ah forget it. hey, look, a puppy!

/backs away from the excessively timid

Reply to  Karlos51
August 11, 2018 6:21 am

File this under “OMG, we’re all gonna die!” 🙂

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/leonardo-dicaprio-witnesses-a-terrifying-sign-of-climate-change-in-calgary-a-chinook

Actor Leonardo DiCaprio attracted widespread derision from the people of Calgary after he cited the city’s famously unusual weather as “terrifying” evidence of climate change.

“We would come and there would be eight feet of snow, and then all of a sudden a warm gust of wind would come,” DiCaprio told Variety.com, describing it as a “scary” vision of things to come.

“It’s terrifying, and it’s what people are talking about all over the world. And it’s simply just going to get worse.”

william Johnston
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 11, 2018 8:25 am

Leo and his movie Revisionist were made for each other.

Reply to  SAMURAI
August 11, 2018 5:50 am

A very good comment Samurai.

I’ve watched the warmist conspirators scale back their false claims of high–climate-sensitivity for over a decade, and I thank you for pointing out this fact.

I view this as a deliberate tactic of the warmist camp – start with the BIG LIE, get all the sheep stampeded and get tens of trillions of dollars spent on bogus research and worthless green energy schemes.

The global warming scam is now over 30 years old, enough time to build a lucrative career and retire comfortably. We can expect more retirements in the next few years, especially if there are signs that the world is about to get colder.

Global warming alarmism is the greatest scam, in dollar terms, in the history of humanity.

Reply to  SAMURAI
August 11, 2018 6:15 am

A very good comment Samurai.

I’ve watched the warmist conspirators scale back their false claims of high–climate-sensitivity for over a decade, and I thank you for pointing out this fact.

I view this as a deliberate tactic of the warmist camp – start with the BIG LIE, get all the sheep stampeded and get tens of trillions of dollars spent on bogus research and worthless green energy schemes.

The global warming scam is now over 30 years old, enough time to build a lucrative career and retire comfortably. We can expect more retirements in the next few years, especially since there are signs that the world is about to get colder.

Global warming alarmism is the greatest scam, in dollar terms, in the history of humanity.

Tom Halla
Reply to  SAMURAI
August 11, 2018 6:38 am

It is reminiscent of campaigns to ban various chemicals or radiation, where any amount of the evil pollution is to cause dread effects.

Gary Ashe
August 11, 2018 3:46 am

Another $500k+ a year concerned climateer.

My money my money, wont someone please think about my money.

A number plucked out of some no-ones a$$ 1.5c over a 200 year period, and we are doomed.
On a planet whose natural climate and temp swings plus or minus 2 kelvin per century quite naturally, and has done millions of times, many times with much greater swings…………

richard
August 11, 2018 3:53 am

Of piste but I thought, hopefully, this would brighten everyones day. Well I found it very funny-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=NjlC02NsIt0

Thanks to iceagenow for flagging it up.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  richard
August 11, 2018 4:07 am

I LOLed. That dim-witted woman didn’t stand a chance with her fake “question”.

Marcus
Reply to  richard
August 11, 2018 4:28 am

Wow !! That is definitely a different approach !! LOL

Reply to  richard
August 11, 2018 6:10 am

I agree with Dan Pena’s arguments. Global warming alarmism is a huge deliberate scam.

I do wonder if he eats with that mouth – he talks like the boys from Otterburn Park who I grew up with. But Dan did me one big favor – I’m motivated to clean up my language!

Bruce Cobb
August 11, 2018 3:53 am

“The world is losing the war on climate change”. Good to hear. It’s a fake war anyway, and a costly one, damaging all of humanity. But the Climatists couldn’t care less about that. It means we’re winning; the side that is for common sense, for a world where affordable, reliable energy is more commonplace, not less. Where poor people don’t have to scrounge for already-scarce wood or animal waste to burn, living shortened lives from breathing the smoke, and polluting the air.

Tom
August 11, 2018 3:54 am

…..And there seems to be not even the slightest suspicion that it was — and still is — an abundance of fossil fuels with which to power an economy that was the primary reason for wealthy nations being wealthy nations.
Furthermore, it is only an economy that has abundant fossil fuels with which to power productive economic endeavors that will have money with which to subsidize so-called “renewables.”
This issue has gone to a place that is really, really strange. For it to have gone to where it is requires that the magic money that central banks such as the US Federal Reserve magically conjure out of their magic hole in the air be considered real money rather than being the make-believe fairy tale stuff of magic that it is.

Warren
August 11, 2018 3:59 am

Red Cross own and charter a massive fleet of aircraft. We must let them know immediately . . . we will no longer stand for massive carbon spewing aircraft!
Furthermore, please publish your complete carbon footprint including all fuel use. Your donors have a right to know your level of contribution to the deadly CO2 budget which is at a deadly tipping point as decreed by the Red Cross.
Please WUWT readers, write or phone your local Red Cross today!

Allison Groesbeck
Reply to  Warren
August 11, 2018 5:55 am

I look forward to all aid arriving via wind-powered sailing ships and hoofstock-pulled wagons. I am sure that victims will be comforted knowing that while they were suffering and lives were being lost, the Red Cross was NOT using evil fossil fuels to speed their response.

I am sure that any negative effects on disaster relief efforts due to avoidance of fossil fuel usage will be accepted as positive. Not using fossil fuel-powered equipment to remove heavy debris after building collapses, not using synthetic blankets/tents/clothing (oil-based!), not using fossil fuel-powered generators for medical facilities and equipment, not using anything produced using energy from fossil fuels…how could anyone be against such “responsible” actions?

Bonus: fewer people will survive, so there will be less demand for fossil fuels!

/sarc

CCB
August 11, 2018 4:35 am

Saturday opinion:
Trouble is this days celebrity ‘scientists’ banging on about CO2 being the only control knob of climate & weather are possibly limelight biased over the actual science bias – IMHO 😀

dennisambler
August 11, 2018 4:35 am

“Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre”

Why do they need a climate centre? Shouldn’t they just respond to a crisis and go there, however caused?

Allison Groesbeck
Reply to  dennisambler
August 11, 2018 6:17 am

That was my first thought. I appreciate the charitable work that the Red Cross does, but they need to learn to stick to what they are good at doing: immediate, TEMPORARY relief. Their forays into long term work have been problematic.

I read a 2015 article about the Red Cross’ extended relief efforts in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. Their projects were rarely completed or effective, largely because they did not know what they were doing. At the time, they had only built 6 permanent homes in the ENTIRE country. To be fair, there are a lot of longstanding problems in Haiti that made it difficult or impossible to do many projects. However, they had nearly $500 million from Haiti-specific donations. They should have been able to accomplish more than they did.

My favorite line from the story: “Some solar street lights have been installed, though many broke and residents say others are unreliable.”

commieBob
August 11, 2018 4:38 am

When the developed nations can demonstrate that renewable energy works, then and only then, will the third world implement renewable energy. Just because you had the bad luck to be born in an undeveloped country, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid. The stupid ones are the university educated, unicorn loving, western liberal elites who, against all the evidence piling up, continue to think wind and solar are viable.

August 11, 2018 4:57 am

“A shift from carbon may eventually enrich economies”

So these idiots want the developing countries to give up the very real, low hanging fruit of fossil fuel use to enrich their economies today in exchange for a possible enrichment at some future, unspecified date.

Tom Abbott
August 11, 2018 5:23 am

One has to wonder about the mental health of the True Believers.

If they actually believe all this, and many do, then they must be scared to death.

The CAGW fraud has been detrimental to billions of people, costing them a potential good livelihood and seriously harming the mental health of countless people.

All it took was a few decievers in the wrong places to turn the world and the temperature profile upside down.

michael hart
August 11, 2018 5:40 am

“I’m glad to see The Economist, for one, all but taking words out of our mouths”

I also noticed, but with dismay, the position now adopted by The Economist. When a magazine that worships at the feet of the patron saint of economics, Adam Smith, thinks that substituting expensive energy in place of cheap energy will increase profits and well being, there is something gone wrong with the world.

Roscoe Pilsner
August 11, 2018 6:05 am

When “sustainable” and “renewable” energy generation remains just a bunch of Tinker Toys , what other choice do these people have?

Gamecock
August 11, 2018 6:07 am

Red Cross must have all the money it needs.

Alley
August 11, 2018 6:08 am

It is a shame, but since we know where most of the CO2 is coming from, concentrating on those areas offers the most bang for the buck.

MarkW
Reply to  Alley
August 11, 2018 11:15 am

Since CO2 is on net, good for the planet, we ought to be subsidizing it.

Alley
Reply to  MarkW
August 11, 2018 12:32 pm

People with science backgrounds know better that to pretend there is a net gain. Why subsidize so that the majority of the globe loses? We are not even sure which part may win.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Alley
August 12, 2018 3:54 am

Alley.

Get a grip.

Your ”experts” are frauds, even ”if” they believe their words true.

”Tom Abbott
One has to wonder about the mental health of the True Believers.

If they actually believe all this, and many do, then they must be scared to death.

The CAGW fraud has been detrimental to billions of people, costing them a potential good livelihood and seriously harming the mental health of countless people.”’

Alley
Reply to  Gary Ashe
August 12, 2018 8:18 am

I too believe in science and facts. Is that so bad? Why do people like you mock facts? Does not make any sense.

True believers are a problem. They believe in their gut feelings, the opposite of facts. I agree that the science denier fraud is detrimental to the advancement of science. All you have to do is read what people here are writing that would fail any HS or college science class.

MarkW
Reply to  Alley
August 12, 2018 12:56 pm

We don’t mock facts. We mock the pathetic lies that you keep posting.

MarkW
Reply to  Alley
August 12, 2018 12:55 pm

Like most of Alley knows, this fact is also bogus.
Of course alarmists define scientists as being anyone who agrees with them.

CO2 makes green things grow bigger and faster.
We have yet to reach the temperatures seen during the Medieval warm period, which was itself cooler than the Roman Warm period, which was in turn cooler than the Minoan warm period.
In fact 95% of the last 10,000 years has been warmer than it is today, and during those times, life flourished.

Reply to  Alley
August 11, 2018 1:41 pm

Nice way of putting it. Unfortunately, the Red Chinese have nukes on ICBMs, too, so it’s a bit late to put them out of their misery quickly. You’ll just have to keep working on pushing them back into starvation and plague to reduce their population.

John Dilks
Reply to  Alley
August 11, 2018 3:22 pm

Alley, your continuing display of stupidity is getting very annoying.

Alley
Reply to  John Dilks
August 12, 2018 8:20 am

So Dilks thinks that we DON’T know where CO2 is coming from. Is it annoying that I posted a simple fact?

MarkW
Reply to  Alley
August 12, 2018 12:57 pm

One of these days Alley will post an actual fact rather than a pathetic opinion he tries to mislabel as facts.
Today, once again, is not that day.

brians356
Reply to  Alley
August 12, 2018 11:06 pm

Alley, have you decided yet what you’ll do when your world is cooking? You should start planning, because nothing can or will be done by humans to change where our climate is going. You know it, and I know it. How long will your virtue signalling serve to soothe you?

Reply to  brians356
August 12, 2018 11:23 pm

Alley can’t respond, He’s been caught sockpuppeting, in violation of our posted policy, so his comments now go into the bit-bucket.

August 11, 2018 6:11 am

As my old friend Tad, a PhD who immigrated from Poland, used to say:

“WHO EES ZIS IDIOT!”

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 11, 2018 6:45 pm

The Republican National Committee is stealing my material!

See this, posted by the RNC August 10, 2018:

‘FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS’: RNC Mocks Ocasio-Cortez In Ad
https://www.dailywire.com/news/34367/future-democrats-rnc-mocks-ocasio-cortez-ad-ryan-saavedra?utm_medium=email&utm_content=081118-news&utm_campaign=position2

Now see my post of July 3, 2018:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/07/03/huff-post-climate-activist-green-groups-lack-diversity/#comment-2395613

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Phil’s article is reminiscent of this scene from “Billy Madison”:

“Mr. Madison, what you just said is the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone is this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 12, 2018 4:40 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/27/100-renewables-by-2035-surprise-new-york-primary-winner-takes-on-democrat-climate-moderates/#comment-2391692

ATheoK and Tony Abbott

I would like your opinions to be true, but they are not – Obama got elected and Hillary came close. This indicates that about half the voters in the USA have been infected with the Progressive/Marxist virus. Many of these fools don’t even know it – they think they are cool, and smarter than those they disagree with (they are not – see Dunning-Kruger Effect).

In Canada similar leftist scoundrels/imbeciles were elected: Justin Trudeau om Ottawa, Rachel Notley in Alberta and John Horgan in BC, and Ontario only recently threw out the uber-extreme Kathleen Wynn. Canada’s economy is failing due to the policies of these leftists.

Across Europe, almost all countries are led by these closet Marxists and their economies are also failing, and have been for decades.

In the USA, the leftist infection is much more prevalent than a just few violent paid protesters. About half the population in the USA is effectively on the dole, since they consume more than they contribute – these people will usually vote for anyone who promises them more free stuff, like Ms Ocasio-Cortez. She knows what she is doing – it is the standard Marxist formula that has dragged down so many countries in the world.

The solution is to get the unemployed back to work, which Trump is doing – and a key component is keeping energy costs low, so the USA can compete with China and other low-labour-cost countries. Trump is on the right track to saving the USA, and the Marxists cannot stand it.

When Marxists want to sabotage a country, they increase energy costs unnecessarily, which cripples the economy. That is the left’s strategy, and it is working, except in the USA, China and a few other countries.

A key leftist strategy is to cripple the energy industry – examples are endless regulatory snarls and successful anti-pipeline movements – these have cost Canada $120 billion in lost revenues – a huge amount of money that should have been available for industrial re-investment, job creation, health, education, etc.

The leftists were the scourge of the 20th Century – Hitler, Stalin and Mao killed a total of about 200 million people. Almost 200 countries that once had viable economies are on a downward spiral – Zimbabwe and Venezuela lead the way, but many others follow. That is the Marxist agenda, and it is working.

Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

ferdberple
August 11, 2018 6:21 am

Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre
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Apparently the RC has money to burn.

Would you rather be a poor Asian without a pot to piss in or a rich Asian with an air-conditioning.

You can be sure the director of RC climate center is rich and has air-conditioning. But is worried what will happen if other people have the same.

Jim
Reply to  ferdberple
August 11, 2018 6:40 am

He’s like all of the eco-imperalists, dictating how people in developing countries should live, regardless of how it improves life.

August 11, 2018 6:34 am

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS ARE TRUE:

1. There is NO credible evidence of dangerous man-made global warming – it was significantly warmer in recorded human history before fossil-fuel combustion became significant.

2. There is highly credible evidence that the sensitivity of climate to increasing atmospheric CO2 is low, less than ~1C/(2xCO2).

3. There is NO credible evidence of wilder weather over the past several decades.

4. There is nothing unusual happening in global climate over the past several decades.

5. The only measurable impact of increasing atmospheric CO2 is much higher plant and crop yields.

6. Atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high, it is alarmingly low for the continued survival of terrestrial life on Earth.

7. CO2 reduction and CO2 abatement schemes are destructive nonsense that increase energy costs and Excess Winter Deaths.

8. Most green energy schemes are not green, produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, and de-stabilize vital energy grids.

9. Twenty times more people die from cool and cold weather than from warm and hot weather.

10. Increasing atmospheric CO2 may cause some mild warming that should reduce Excess Winter Deaths, that globally total about 2 million every year.

11. Increasing atmospheric CO2 is strongly net-beneficial for humanity and the environment.

12. Climate change is overwhelmingly natural, and adaptation is the best approach to dealing with it, to date.

THE ENTIRE VERY-SCARY GLOBAL WARMING ALARMIST MANTRA IS FALSE!

All 12 above statements say so.

NorwegianSceptic
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
August 11, 2018 6:56 am

I completely agree. The problem is that this scam has evolved into a religion, thus forbidding critical thinking.

Jim
August 11, 2018 6:37 am

The good doctor is nothing but an eco-imperalist. To tyrants like him, people in developing countries should not be allowed to modernize by using efficient, plentiful, and cheap energy resources. It must be renewables! And nothing else!!

Allison Groesbeck
August 11, 2018 6:37 am

“The authoritative weekly was not asserting that climate has suddenly become a binary issue of victory or defeat…”

Not only does this not make sense as a clause or as a concept, it contradicts the headline “The world is losing the war on climate change.” Losing=defeated. The clause could have been left out completely. It adds nothing to the article and makes the author appear addled.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Allison Groesbeck
August 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Plus the problem of having declared war on the weather. Perhaps the war against climate change has roots in an existential fear of the natural and inevitable decline of the human frame in a vain hope that eternal life means eternal physical endurance. That might explain why Hollywood is so enamoured of the concept of ‘stopping change’. Maybe what we need is climate botox.

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