White House deletes factual Tweet about presidential hurricanes

This makes you wonder what the White House sees as threatening about this information?

Goddard-tweet[1]

NYT’s Andrew Revkin points out the inanity of it:

Let’s do some fact checking.

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Cleveland

Cleveland is the only president to serve two non-consecutive terms (1885–1889 and 1893–1897).

Grover Cleveland
StephenGroverCleveland.png
24th President of the United States
In office

March 4, 1893 – March 4, 1897

In office

March 4, 1885 – March 4, 1889

Obama’s term is January 20th 2009 to present. Source

Now let’s check the hurricanes for these periods:

From this NOAA source:  http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html

I’ve made screencaps of the two presidential terms of Grover Cleveland and totaled the numbers of hurricanes as listed by NOAA:hurricanes_grover_cleveland1

hurricanes_grover_cleveland2

I count 27, rather than Goddard’s  26 (Note: 27 if you include the 1888 TS that NOAA included in the list of hurricanes, I’m guessing some post facto revision of this “hurricane six“) but the point remains the same. During President Obama’s term, Jan 20th 2009 to present, there have been only three US landfalling hurricanes according to the same NOAA data:

obama_hurricanes

I find it interesting that NOAA puts in the disclaimer about Sandy, their exact disclaimer:

* – Indicates that the hurricane center did not make a U.S. landfall (or substantially weakened before making landfall), but did produce the indicated hurricane-force winds over land. In this case, central pressure is given for the time that the hurricane winds along the coast were the strongest.

Even though it didn’t make landfall, although it did affect the USA, but is listed, we will count it, Irene is also debatable, for weak wind speeds, but we’ll go with what NOAA says here.

The point is that there’s been far worse periods of US landfalling hurricanes during presidential terms, and that’s a fact.

Obama is also presiding over the longest ever period of major hurricane drought (Cat3 or greater) without making US landfall. From Dr. Roger Pielke Jr:

The graph above provides an update to data on the remarkable ongoing US “intense hurricane drought.” When the Atlantic hurricane season starts next June 1, it will have been 2,777 days since the last time an intense (that is a Category 3, 4 or 5) hurricane made landfall along the US coast (Wilma in 2005). Such a prolonged period without an intense hurricane landfall has not been observed since 1900.

Why is the White House afraid of these facts?

UPDATE: We’ll see how long my tweet lasts:

WH_tweet_hurricane_Capture

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Alice
June 24, 2013 1:40 pm

I still don’t see what was deleted, both of those tweets still exist.
[show where -mod]

June 24, 2013 1:41 pm

Reblogged this on What Say you and commented:
I sent a tweet to commentator @greggutfeld on twitter on this, I told Mr. Goddard I was stupefied.

Frank K.
June 24, 2013 1:44 pm

Q: Why is the White house afraid of these facts?
A: Because CAGW (aka climate change) is a POLITICAL enterprise and not a SCIENTIFIC one!

Latitude
June 24, 2013 1:46 pm

Andrew Holland ‏@TheAndyHolland 43m
@SteveSGoddard @Revkin totally irrelevant! Who cares about total volume? What matters is loss an damage, plus future projections.
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future projections!….rotfl
…then you can make up anything you want

thelastdemocrat
June 24, 2013 1:49 pm

[off topic -mod]

June 24, 2013 1:59 pm

Are we sure that wasn’t actually an “NSA pull”, for, you know, possible ‘national security’ reasons?

JY
June 24, 2013 2:00 pm

I don’t think the message was deleted, twitter only shows the first series of messages and as you can see on the screenshot that person replied 13 hours after the original message. The rest aren’t displayed.

Neo
June 24, 2013 2:02 pm

The only Climate Change in DC is the political climate, which hasn’t looked so good for Mr Obama as late.
Now is the time for politicians to claim credit for stopping the “greatest risk in our times” before the “peer reviewed” scientific community declares it over.

June 24, 2013 2:03 pm

Frank K. says:
June 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Q: Why is the White house afraid of these facts?
A: Because CAGW (aka climate change) is a POLITICAL enterprise and not a SCIENTIFIC one!

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It’s part of Obama’s transparency. “Now you see me. Now you don’t.” There are multiple, serious scandals that he’s trying to hide or run from. He’s out to distract the media and the public from those scandals. He’s about to try to dodge “the buck” with a CAGW address. He can’t afford to have a few “inconvenient” facts possibly “stop the buck” where it belongs.

June 24, 2013 2:05 pm

Alice says June 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm
I still don’t see what was deleted, both of those tweets still exist.

Well … who tweeted before Goddard and who tweeted after him?
I’m not seeing Steve’s tweet …
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June 24, 2013 2:06 pm

The White House spinners appear to be warming up their response for the avalanche of factual refutations that will follow Obama’s sure to be filled with lie’s climate speech on Tuesday.

GunnyGene
June 24, 2013 2:07 pm

@ Frank K. says:
June 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Q: Why is the White house afraid of these facts?
A: Because CAGW (aka climate change) is a POLITICAL enterprise and not a SCIENTIFIC one!
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Precisely.
The same as everything else with the Obama regime. Anything – and I mean anything – that could potentially reflect negatively on Obama is taboo, and could cost you your career, or even your life.

Caleb
June 24, 2013 2:11 pm

Mr. President, you owe it to future generations to end this fraud now.

Dave Cochrane
June 24, 2013 2:11 pm

Frank K. says:
June 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Q: Why is the White house afraid of these facts?
A: Because CAGW (aka climate change) is a POLITICAL enterprise and not a SCIENTIFIC one!

And first prize for answering a rhetorical question with the bleeding obvious goes to….

Bryan A
June 24, 2013 2:18 pm

Although he can do a lot of damage between now & then
NObama 16

June 24, 2013 2:18 pm

If the tweet is there, they put it back. The White House has already acknowledged that they deleted it.

Hmmmmmm
June 24, 2013 2:20 pm

Hang on. The white house actually deleted a tweet ? How ? *confused *

paulm
June 24, 2013 2:31 pm

Don’t understand what you are saying. Who deleted whose tweet?

Bruce
June 24, 2013 2:36 pm

Missing a word here: “Obama is also presiding over the longest ever period of major hurricane (Cat3 or greater) to make US landfall. From Dr. Roger Pielke Jr:”
“…longest ever period WITHOUT a major hurricane to make US landfall.”??
Bruce
[Thanx, fixed. — mod.]

Mark
June 24, 2013 2:37 pm

This is incredibly confusing. What tweet was deleted?

June 24, 2013 2:38 pm

obama thinks the book “1984” is an operator’s manual for his presidency.
Under obsoc, those tweets are thoughtcrimes.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL

Alan D McIntire
June 24, 2013 2:40 pm

[off topic -mod]

Admin
June 24, 2013 2:42 pm

Why not invert Pjelke’s graph into a probability graph – probability of seeing a hurricane on any one day?
Its just, to the scientific illiterates we are dealing with, the big no hurricane days bar at the end looks like a hockey stick… 🙂

OldWeirdHarold
June 24, 2013 2:42 pm

I don’t do Twitter, but how is that supposed to work? I’ve never heard of the ability of twitterer ‘A’ to delete a reply. They can block the responses, but I don’t think that’s the same thing as deleting. If they have the ability to delete, AFAIK, that’s a special arrangement.
There’s the whole #twittergulag thing, but that’s something else.
Does anybody on Earth understand Twitter?

wws
June 24, 2013 2:48 pm

Facts to a Leftist are like Kryptonite to Superman.

David L.
June 24, 2013 2:50 pm

Godwin’s Law should be expanded to include variants of “we owe it to the children” or “do it for the children”.

Master of Space and Thyme
June 24, 2013 2:51 pm

Deja vu all over again.
The tweet by Goddard wasn’t deleted, its always on Goddard’s Twitter timeline.
Twitter can be confusing. Here is a link to a WUWT post that documents a very similar situation where Mr Watts was mistakenly under the impression that one of his tweets was deleted.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/21/hurricane-warning-mckibben-alert/

Pete Olson
June 24, 2013 2:53 pm

This sentence needs to be re-written:
“Obama is also presiding over the longest ever period of major hurricane (Cat3 or greater) to make US landfall. From Dr. Roger Pielke Jr:”
It doesn’t say what the writer thinks it says, or what they wanted to say, I am sure. And, as long as the message is delivered, just delete my post in moderation. Jes’ tryin’ to hep out…

June 24, 2013 2:55 pm

It seems they deleted it from their White House site tweets which is possible but it still existed on Twitter. I was confused about that at first. It is still a sissy thing to do but not a sinister thing to do.

Pete Olson
June 24, 2013 2:55 pm

Ooh – I forgot: no moderation!

June 24, 2013 2:59 pm

Master of Space and Thyme says June 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Deja vu all over again.
The tweet by Goddard wasn’t deleted, its always on Goddard’s Twitter timeline.

Oh – a variation on the old “double secret probation” trick … the WH removes it from THEIR twitter feed.
Right. Right. Understand now. PERFECTLY clear.
Thanks, Thyme and Thyme again.
(How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?)
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Editor
June 24, 2013 3:01 pm

Surely the introduction should sat
“to NOT make US landfall’
tonyb

Sean Peake
June 24, 2013 3:06 pm

I watched Sandy in real time and there were no hurricane-force winds on land. At the odd offshore bouy, yes, but not on land

hunter
June 24, 2013 3:08 pm

Why should the Obama Adminstration be limited by facts now? They have been allowed to run rough shod over facts so far with no accountability or cost.

June 24, 2013 3:10 pm

OldWeirdHarold says June 24, 2013 at 2:42 pm

Does anybody on Earth understand Twitter?

It would appear no one does. This might be by design, or by poor planning at the outset; we will never know the truth … meanwhile, for opinion as to its (negative) value, I offer this as search terms: twitter uselessness
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Master of Space and Thyme
June 24, 2013 3:11 pm

@ Jim says:
June 24, 2013 at 2:59 pm
“the WH removes it from THEIR twitter feed.”
That is not what happened,
Twitter doesn’t show all the responses on an account’s timeline when a tweet gets hundreds or thousands of replies. Nothing nefarious happened here and Mr Goddard’s tweet to the president was always shown on Goddards timeline.

DD More
June 24, 2013 3:13 pm

AW says – “I count 27, rather than Goddard’s 26, but the point remains the same. ”
The listing shown has the Sept 1888 mark with ‘TS’. Is that for a tropical storm and not a ‘cane?
REPLY: Unsure why NOAA puts it in list of hurricanes, maybe historically it was called a hurricane, but was then downgraded later by NOAA after examination years later – A

Unite Against Greenfleecing
June 24, 2013 3:28 pm

Stop picking on Obama, he’s probably thinking post presidency. The green swindle is very lucrative for group thinking mediocrity. Think Al Gore 2.

cwon14
June 24, 2013 3:28 pm

Frank K. says:
June 24, 2013 at 1:44 pm
A: Because CAGW (aka climate change) is a POLITICAL enterprise and not a SCIENTIFIC one!
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Frank, that hits it right on the head. Sadly, many skeptics want a victory through a spaghetti chart while the basic truth of CAGW ignored or minimized. They’ve spent decades on toadstools and in the weeds playing this basic losing game with paid warming (Green fringe) operatives and very reluctant to state the political truth of the matter. Now when it counts they will behind the eight ball as a starting point.
Instead of insinuating the leftist cabal they all should have been on record to that fact years ago. Where are the political I.D. studies of the academic climate “consensus”??? There should be detailed lists of names and political contributions over decades at this point.
Now it’s blood on the highway and the skeptical advocates are neither on a message that will help shorter-term or address the Greenshirt reality we are living in.

temp
June 24, 2013 3:29 pm

[off topic -mod]

June 24, 2013 3:33 pm

Your count is off, a tropical storm is not a hurricane.
REPLY: No disagreement, but explain then why NOAA included it in this list: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html

June 24, 2013 3:40 pm

Master of Space and Thyme says June 24, 2013 at 3:11 pm

That is not what happened,
Twitter doesn’t show all the responses on an account’s timeline when a tweet gets hundreds or thousands of replies. Nothing nefarious happened here and Mr Goddard’s tweet to the president was always shown on Goddards timeline.

Maybe I should have asked instead: “How many angels can sit on the head of a pin?” *
Or perhaps you prefer a much more ‘crass’ answer (or questions) as given recently by H. R. Clinton before a congressional committee: “What difference, at this point, does it make?”.
Frankly, this ‘appearance’ Twitter gives of being able to ‘respond’ to any one 5 (or 10) ‘ranks’ (esp anyone in govt!!!!) above one’s present ‘pay grade’ is farcical; I rank it as supreme futile action (but, that’s just my take.)
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* “In modern usage, this question also serves as a metaphor for wasting time debating topics of no practical value, or questions whose answers hold no intellectual consequence.
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June 24, 2013 3:45 pm

cwon14 says:
June 24, 2013 at 3:28 pm

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Maybe I misunderstood you, but the scientist and meteorologist that have “raised the alarm” weren’t primarily into the politics of the issue but the science. Many of them have stood against the bastardization of the science even though they may support the other positions of the politicians that are using it as a lever to promote a political agenda. If they’ve spoken up, give them a break (on this issue at least).

Paul Westhaver
June 24, 2013 3:47 pm

Obama, always invoking the little kid to push his schemes. He hasn’t the arguments to deal with adults.
Well, I am not so easily bullied as that. Do it for the kids he says.
POL POT, that Cambodian tyrant had little kids ratting out their loving parents and had the kids smother their own parents with plastic bags…in 1970s. Creepy… Using kids like that.

Eliza
June 24, 2013 3:51 pm

AW: I don’t think Obama really has a clue about atmospheric physics. He is just following what the team is telling him. He probably has never seen a chart of current temperatures or even ice extent.He probably does not have the time to do so. I personally do not think we should be attacking him. Also whether is a naturalized citizen is irrelevant. The romans had 6 “foreign”emperors its not an argument.In the end as I said here many years ago its the weather that will win the argument and it is winning viva los meteorologos! LOL

CodeTech
June 24, 2013 3:52 pm

Yet another reason I have absolutely no interest in “twitter”. Like many other internet technologies, it gives you the ILLUSION that you are engaged in a conversation, when in fact you are not. Sure, Goddard’s comment was always visible to his own followers. But WH visitors won’t see it. That’s pretty much par, and in fact my own sites do similar. If I identify a spammer or other problem poster, they will see their own posts and assume others are, but nobody else sees them at all.
Disqus is, as I’ve learned, similar. The “moderator” for a disqus comment section can simply moderate out users, as CNN did when I attempted to comment on a climate issue.
Originally the internet appeared to give the people a voice. That was a horrifying concept to the gatekeepers of knowledge, who are now doing their best to counter that. This will get worse before it gets better.

June 24, 2013 3:52 pm

Obama is also presiding over the longest ever period of major hurricane (Cat3 or greater) to make US landfall. From Dr. Roger Pielke Jr:

Was this intended to be “…longest ever drought of major hurricanes…” (?)

Marlow Metcalf
June 24, 2013 3:54 pm

Now is the time to compare current climate trend to the 1880s and 1890s. What were the PDO and Sun doing?
oh crap
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/02/coldest-spring-in-england-since-1891/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/solar/
Daily Sunspot Area – “Butterfly” Diagram
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/global-weather-climate/paleoclimate/
600 Years Arctic Temperature – Overpeck et al. 1997
http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/global-weather-climate/global-temperature/
Annual Global Average Land and Ocean Temperature Anomaly – 1850 to 2012
I can not make the pictures transfer. Oh well.

June 24, 2013 4:04 pm

Mr. President, you owe it to future generations to end this fraud now.

Perhaps a resignation is too much to hope for.

D.J. Hawkins
June 24, 2013 4:09 pm

[off topic -mod]

Mark T
June 24, 2013 4:18 pm

[off topic -mod]

Jay
June 24, 2013 4:19 pm

Oh well.. Obama will tell the lib-left and their adoring media what they want to hear.. They will canonize him, even though he still lives..
Wouldnt wants facts to get in the way of that slight floral aroma, would you?

Ian W
June 24, 2013 4:20 pm

Obama is also presiding over the longest ever period with no major hurricane (Cat3 or greater) making US landfall. From Dr. Roger Pielke Jr:

Mark T
June 24, 2013 4:21 pm

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Bold mine. Pretty clear to me (and SCOTUS as well). Gonna have to go with the text of the document itself on this one.
Mark

JimS
June 24, 2013 4:23 pm

I don’t get any of this. Obama was born during a hurricane, so that doesn’t make him a legitimate president?

Maxbert
June 24, 2013 4:24 pm

I think we “owe it to our kids” not to leave them with $18 trillion in debt (and counting).

TomRude
June 24, 2013 4:25 pm

Considering the multi billion super spying program that failed to predict one insider would blow it in the open, Obama is trying to cut any loose ends… LOL

OssQss
June 24, 2013 4:34 pm

Eliza says:
June 24, 2013 at 3:51 pm
AW: I don’t think Obama really has a clue about atmospheric physics.
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or the economy, or debt, or jobs, or spending, or the IRS,NSA,DOJ,Bengazi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I do certainly agree with your original comment.

hunter
June 24, 2013 4:54 pm

Obama is going to have the NSA is going to declare AGW skeptical communications a national security threat, and turn loose the IRS and EPA on those wicked skeptics.
And historical facts, as Mr. Orwell pointed out, are very malleable in the hands of great leaders and their teams.

Gail Combs
June 24, 2013 5:14 pm

David L. says:
June 24, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Godwin’s Law should be expanded to include variants of “we owe it to the children” or “do it for the children”.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Isn’t that “Do it TO the Children” as in saddle them with $50,000 in debt before they are even out of short pants, much less high school?

Gail Combs
June 24, 2013 5:17 pm

Unite Against Greenfleecing says:
June 24, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Stop picking on Obama, he’s probably thinking post presidency. The green swindle is very lucrative for group thinking mediocrity. Think Al Gore 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
PLEASE, I just ate dinner…

June 24, 2013 5:21 pm

UK Met Office, paper “Anthropogenic aerosol forcing of Atlantic tropical storms”
Storms could have happened.
See Tallbloke’s Talkshop

OssQss
June 24, 2013 5:35 pm

Gail, I think it would be more realistic if we considered debt liability per taxpayer.
Have a peek.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Txomin
June 24, 2013 5:46 pm

Second term blues…

Gail Combs
June 24, 2013 5:47 pm

[snip- off topic -mod]

Janice Moore
June 24, 2013 6:02 pm

“Originally the internet appeared to give the people a voice. That was a horrifying concept to [the gang of thugs from Chicago a.k.a. The D’oh!bama Administration], who are now doing their best to counter that. This will get worse before it gets better.” [Codetech at 3:52PM 6/24/13]
I was just thinking about that this afternoon as I wondered if the Demonocrats made sure that their harassing of the average American citizen (a kind of internet terrorizing) by monitoring their phone calls and internet posts became known in order to put a chilling effect on internet and other communication. Communication and Truth are both enemies to totalitarians.
Well, it won’t “chill” me. Listen up! Dope! You can censor all you like. The truth (about Benghazi and all the other e — v — il you have done) WILL come out. “What was whispered in the inner rooms [will be shouted] from the housetops.”
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Eliza, while I agree with most of what you said, the Barack Hussein Obama administration is perpetrating so much damage on our liberty, that to get him out on what you perceive to be a mere technicality (a Constitutional REQUIREMENT, as pointed out), would have prevented (and could still prevent) untold harm. That is, in this case, the birthplace issue is of VITAL importance. Sadly, it became un-PC among an influential coterie of short-sighted, eager-to-be-seen-as-“cool,” conservative journalists to mention the topic anymore. So, we don’t.
LOL. Physics? He doesn’t even know the difference between an “inhaler” (for asthma) and a “breathalyzer.” [Dope on the campaign trail in 2007 or 2008] And one of his great ideas for “saving the planet” in 2008 was to properly inflate your car tires (tyres). WHAT A DOPE!

philjourdan
June 24, 2013 6:10 pm

Maybe Obama was afraid Snowden would leak it to the Chinese or worse, the press!

Pamela Gray
June 24, 2013 6:13 pm

I do not get twitter. The platform makes the conversations difficult to follow and the design is useless as a meaningful debate forum.

Layne Blanchard
June 24, 2013 6:16 pm

Anthony, There could be tweets as well for Droughts of the 1930s, for Tornadoes, for heat waves in June/July of 34 and 36, For several great floods, etc.

June 24, 2013 6:27 pm

The Man With Biggest Carbon Footprint In The World most likely reported Steven’s tweet as spam, which should remove it from their timeline, but not from Steven’s. I can see the reply if I look at the timeline on Steven’s twitter page, but not the Twitter feed of many who has 41,000 metric ton carbon footprint.
Deleted or simply reported as spam (there could be programs which can block from timeline, haven’t searched), it is extremely disturbing that someone in the WH would do that.
Oh, and rather disturbing that someone probably gets a very nice salary for keeping track of Twitter for the WH.

daddyjames
June 24, 2013 6:48 pm

A pretty disingenuous statement if you ask me. President Obama has only served one full term during the active hurricane season. So, let’s do some fact-checking
During Benjamin Harrison’s term (1889-1893, sandwiched between Grover Cleveland’s terms) Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Harrison
Benjamin Harrison, 23rd President of the United States
In office: March 4, 1889 – March 4, 1893
only 3 hurricanes hit, and none of those were major storms either.
Data from the same NOAA source: http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html
Chronological List of All Hurricanes: 1851 – 2012
1889 Sep LA, 1 1 982 70 —–
1890s
1890 None
1891 Jul TX, C1, N1 1 974 80 —–
1891 Aug FL, SE1 1 985 70 —–
1892 None
[snip. — mod.]
Whats up with that?

Garacka
June 24, 2013 6:49 pm

thelastdemocrat and Alan D McIntire: Arthur was born here but he probably wasn’t a U.S. citizen at all because citizenship followed that of the father, at that time, and incorrect court and administrative interpretations of the 14th that have culminated in the ultimate fraud of anchor baby citizenship had not yet come into play.
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temp: natural born citizen requires both parents to be citizens (and born here or overseas if a parent was in the “armies of the state”). Currently, the parents can be NBC, 14th amendment born citizens (although there really shouldn’t be many true meaning 14th citizens still alive), or naturalized by law from Congress.
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Mark T: You’ve fallen for one of the biggest disinformation campaigns regarding the meaning of NBC which conflates it with the 14th. The 14th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with NBC and it can’t based on principles of Constitutional legal construction where earlier words/phrases can’t lose their meaning unless explicitly changed and the 14th didn’t change Article 2 Clause 5. There were 3 types of citizens before the 14th. The vast majority were NBCs. A few old folks were still article 2 clause 5 Citizens of the United States (mostly prior British Subjects who supported the revolution), and the rest were naturalized citizen by Congressional acts. The 14th amendment was only intended for freed slaves, but “subject to the jurisdiction” which was intended and discussed during debates by the writers to mean total jurisdiction has been distorted and recently used by the NBC disinformation campaign of both major political parties. It’s not hard to do but requires review outside of the propaganda machine. In some ways it is similar to the climate catastrophe propaganda campaign that this site has done so much to expose.
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daddyjames
June 24, 2013 7:10 pm

Hmm, seems like you can’t talk about harvesting a certain kind of fruit – thanks for allowing the rest through 😀

June 24, 2013 7:30 pm

Here’s what happened to the Mysterious Tweet: Snowden did it!

OssQss
June 24, 2013 7:34 pm

Pamela Gray says:
June 24, 2013 at 6:13 pm
I do not get twitter. The platform makes the conversations difficult to follow and the design is useless as a meaningful debate forum.
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It is a dumbing down process. Think about it>>>>>

Luther Wu
June 24, 2013 7:52 pm

Dawn approaches for Andrew Revkin and he can almost see the light.

Claire
June 24, 2013 8:02 pm

Okay, the first thing. If all warming is caused by man ( some of it may be, some of it clearly isn’t because we are emerging out of an ice age) , any projects the government wants to pursue from solar to windmills to changing power plants to natural gas will not stop the trend. It’s spitting in the wind. If the world really wants to get serious about “sustainability” it will embrace and grow nuclear power. And before your 60-something parents tell you that nuclear power equals bombs and death and destruction, please know that nuclear technology can bring us power plants that CANNOT have run away chain reactions and blow up. There are safe methods that can bring the world unlimited power. It’s 40 year old thinking that keeps us from this. It’s being done now, but the world needs to get over its Greenpeace fueled paranoia.

John F. Hultquist
June 24, 2013 9:20 pm

OssQss says:
June 24, 2013 at 5:35 pm
“Gail, I think it would be more realistic if we considered debt liability per taxpayer.

That’s a reasonable suggestion but none of us, taxpayers or not, will pay for this debt directly. Everyone will “pay” via inflation, lost opportunities, poor services, deteriorating infrastructure (roads, airports, and so on). In this sense, someone not a taxpayer but currently supported by a number of charities, federal payments (even free phones!), state and local agencies, will simply get less. The US government is not going to declare bankruptcy even though it will seem that way.

Hoser
June 24, 2013 9:29 pm

It has nothing to do with truth. They believe you can create your own “reality”. I’m not kidding. Facts only confuse people.

Jimbo
June 24, 2013 9:42 pm

The White House might find this interesting.

Nature Geoscience – 11 November 2012
Abstract
Persistent non-solar forcing of Holocene storm dynamics in coastal sedimentary archives
“…..Here we present a reappraisal of high-energy estuarine and coastal sedimentary records from the southern coast of the English Channel, and report evidence for five distinct periods during the Holocene when storminess was enhanced during the past 6,500 years. We find that high storm activity occurred periodically with a frequency of about 1,500 years, closely related to cold and windy periods diagnosed earlier…..”
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ngeo1619.html

Ill Tempered Klavier
June 24, 2013 10:33 pm

wws says:
June 24, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Facts to a Leftist are like Kryptonite to Superman.
_____________________________________________________________________________And conservative is a synonym for chowderhead. Right = Wrong. A bas les bourbons, toujours la gauche.
I’m fed up with similar snide cracks and whines that it’s all a commie plot from people who sound like they quit the John Birch Society because of its extreme left wing attitudes. Respect for facts is no greater on one side of the political center than the other. You can find disciples of Professor Lyon E. Zossov wherever you look.
I’d also like to point out that the right has no monopoly on opposition to CAGW alarmism. Speaking as a person who has been on the short end of right wing ideology all her life, I have, for ample reason, little love for anything from that direction, yet I remain unconvinced of any part of the whole scam. I know several people whose oppinions on many issues are leftward of mine and are definately farther out in the wild quadrant of the “Pournelle axes” who are also more dissident than I on that subject. Please those of you who are minded to make such statements and can get your brains engaged before putting the mouth in gear, think on that.
Thank you for your kind attention,
Kat

onlyme
June 24, 2013 11:28 pm

I posted a comment to that @whitehouse tweet myself and it was deleted. I asked why Goddard’s post was deleted. I guess that the facts are of no interest to those in charge of that account.
I do have an idea which might be interesting to put into practice, start a petition on the whitehouse.gov website, asking for an answer as to why the Goddard post was deleted. If it gets 100k votes, it must be replied to.
Is there merit to this, or am I just flogging a dead horse here?

June 24, 2013 11:28 pm

There was only one strorm in 1913.
Most hurricane scientists agree hurricanes are in decline as man-made global warming continues.
It’s all about sunspots or the lack there of in this present solar sunspot minimum.

June 25, 2013 12:44 am

I see Steve Goddard’s tweet posted at 2:53pm on 24th June. Did he repost it, or is that the original?
I don’t even know whether it’s possible for someone else to delete your tweet, even if it is a response to theirs. I’ve never seen it done nor found the option on Twitter. Much as I sympathise with Steve Goddard’s message, I wonder if we’re being paranoid on this one.

snotrocket
June 25, 2013 12:45 am

David L says we should redefine God wins Law…
Yes, it could be called “Mary Poppins'” law: (flying kites) for the children.

June 25, 2013 4:16 am

– No I don’t see any of the above tweets from the above screenshot. When I look at the original @Whitehouse tweet they don’t appear in the selection (of the probable thousands) Twitter chooses to gives me.
– Goddard says @Whitehouse confirmed they removed HIS from THEIR twitter feed, but maybe the WUWT just got buried amongst all the others twitter chooses not to show me on the @Whitehouse timeline.
– >but <b is Twitter censoring search results ? My Tweets @No2BS used to show up when I searched with hashtags, now it seems they are excluded from search results. Is that malicious or just lack of capacity ?

JP
June 25, 2013 7:52 am

I think we should also understand that there are far more named Winter Storms than in 1900. The Weather Channel is in the vanguard of this new research into Climate Change. Coming soon- the naming of Dust Devils.

Louis Hooffstetter
June 25, 2013 9:38 am

Irene, Isaac, and Sandy were such pitiful excuses for hurricanes I personally believe NOAA socially promoted them to hurricane status simply because we hadn’t seen any for so long.
And with all this global warming, “the children” just don’t know what hurricanes are anymore.

Matt
June 25, 2013 9:50 am

Hello-hello, Mrs Streisand! 🙂
Nobody would know about it, if it hadn’t been deleted in the first place…

Andyj
June 25, 2013 10:52 am

Steven Goddards tweet has been de-Orwellised even after the White house admitted to deleting it.
Perhaps the NSA were feeling a little guilty.