Tisdale: The Warming of the Global Oceans – Are Manmade Greenhouse Gases Important or Impotent?

Note: this post was two weeks in the making, and well worth your time to read – Anthony

Guest post by Bob Tisdale

Global sea surface temperatures have warmed over the past 30 years, but there is no evidence the warming was caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases. No evidence at all.

This post was written for persons who have seen my posts around the blogosphere for the past three and a half years, or have seen other bloggers discussing them, and have wondered what I was yakking on and on about—with the El Niño this and La Niña that. This post is a basic, down-to-Earth discussion of the causes of the warming of global sea surface temperatures over the past 30 years. It’s how data, not models, account for the warming. I’ve tried to make it as non-technical as possible.

In its draft form, this post was titled Why Do Proponents of Manmade Global Warming Continue to Misinform the Public about the Roles El Niño and La Niña Play in the Warming of the Global Oceans? The answer’s pretty obvious once you understand the roles El Niño and La Niña play.

OVERVIEW

Many of you have your doubts about manmade carbon dioxide-fueled global warming. Occasionally, you might even wonder what it would be like if those myths about CO2 slowly vanished from our collective consciousness: Fewer and fewer persons would care about carbon dioxide emissions. The guilt some people feel about their carbon footprints would fade away and end with an unheard blip. SUVs with the monster V8s would start to look appealing to some people again—those who can afford the price of gasoline. Governments around the world would have to be honest with their citizens and say they want to reduce their countries’ dependences on foreign oil. The non-stop marketing of green products would cease and we could return to primary colors—like blue as in deep blue sea. Instead of feeling responsible for the melting of glaciers, for sea level rise, for the loss of seasonal sea ice in the Arctic Ocean, etc., we’d experience child-like awe of Mother Nature’s capacity to alter the configuration of the globe around us. That admiration, that wonder, we used to feel about weather-related events such as flooding, drought, blizzards, heat waves, cold snaps, would return. Alarmist climate scientists, who have tried with limited success to convince the masses that we now control those weather events, would be stripped of their rock-star images, and they’d wither into obscurity like Milli Vanilli, leaving more research funds available for those climate scientists who want to study the genuine causes and effects of global warming. Wishful thinking.

Since we live on land, we often think of manmade global warming as a land surface air temperature concern. But…

The oceans cover about 70% of the surface of the Earth. The surface air temperatures of the smaller land portion imitate and amplify the warming or cooling of the oceans. The hypothesis of greenhouse gas-dominated manmade global warming has one fundamental requirement. Greenhouse gases MUST warm the surface and subsurface temperatures of the global oceans. If they don’t—that is, if the recent warming of the oceans can be shown to be natural—then carbon dioxide and other manmade greenhouse gases lose their importance. Those anthropogenic greenhouse gases then become second or third tier causes of the warming of land surface air temperatures. Instead of being important, manmade greenhouse gases then become impotent.

In order to shift the cause of global warming from natural to manmade factors, proponents of anthropogenic global warming have misinformed, and continue to misinform, the public about the roles El Niño and La Niña events play in the warming of global sea surface temperatures. Those proponents want to keep the myth of CO2-driven global warming alive and in the forefront of imaginations of a gullible public, so they have to turn Mother Nature’s glorious children, La Niña and her big brother El Niño, into nonfactors.

I used the word “misinformed” in the preceding paragraph. A synonym of the verb “misinform” is “lie to”. Take your pick. I’ll use misinform and other synonyms in a number of forms throughout the rest of this post, but you know what I mean.

This post provides a simple overview of how the instrument temperature record confirms that El Niño and La Niña events, not manmade greenhouse gases, are the primary causes of the warming of global sea surface temperatures we’ve experienced over the past 30 years. It provides a slightly different and simpler perspective of the data-based arguments I’ve discussed and illustrated in past posts here at Climate Observations, many of which have been cross-posted at the internet’s most-viewed website on global warming and climate change WattsUpWithThat. This is the same tack—make it easy to understand—I took when preparing my popular e-book Who Turned on the Heat? – The Unsuspected Global Warming Culprit, El Niño-Southern Oscillation.

INTRODUCTION

Proponents of manmade greenhouse gas-driven global warming (scientists and bloggers) have created a number of untruths about El Niño and La Niña, which are also known in scientific jargon as El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO). The fabrications are intended to redirect the cause of the warming of global sea surface temperatures from the true cause, ENSO, to an imaginary cause, anthropogenic greenhouse gases, primarily carbon dioxide. Manmade greenhouse gases have no measurable effect on global sea surface temperatures. Most of the misinformation relies on the public’s limited understanding of the natural processes that drive El Niño and La Niña events.

What’s the most-often-presented falsehood they’ve manufactured about El Niño and La Niña?

The primary myth about ENSO is the La Niña phase of ENSO is the opposite of El Niño. It sounds like it might be true, but it’s nonsense. There is nothing in the instrument temperature record that supports it. I’ll show you how the differences present themselves in the data later in the post.

The processes of El Niño and La Niña themselves are not opposites. La Niña is simply an exaggeration of the “normal” state of the tropical Pacific—that is, La Niñas are the normal state with some oomph. On the other hand, an El Niño takes naturally created warm water from below the surface of the western tropical Pacific and relocates it the surface. When it’s below the surface, the warm water is not included in the surface temperature record, but during and after the El Niño, the warm water is included in the surface temperature record. That warm water makes a short appearance in the eastern tropical Pacific—where scientists measure sea surface temperatures so that we know an El Niño is taking place—before the warm water is distributed around the global oceans, causing the long-term natural warming of sea surface and land surface air temperatures.

Further, at the end of the El Niño, sea surface temperatures in the eastern tropical Pacific cool and return to normal levels. They might even cool to temperatures below normal if a La Niña follows the El Niño. That typically happens after a very strong El Niño—that is, La Niñas typically follow strong El Niños.

Now here’s where the proponents of manmade global warming get goofy. In very basic terms: some climate scientists point to the cooling temperature in the eastern tropical Pacific and say global surface temperatures should also cool because the El Niño is done where they have their El Niño-measuring thermometers. Those scientists know there’s a huge amount of warm water left over after a strong El Niño; they know the leftover warm water has been redistributed to other parts of the global oceans away from their El Niño-measuring thermometers; yet they have the gall of conmen when they to point to those El Niño-measuring thermometers in the eastern tropical Pacific and tell us the effects of the El Niño are done. They then heap it on thicker when they say, since surface temperatures have warmed away from their El Niño-measuring thermometers, the warming elsewhere must be caused by manmade greenhouse gases. They have presented that absurd argument in a good number of scientific papers. They know it makes no sense, I know it and now you know it.

The next question you may have: The El Niño released lots of warm water from below the surface of the western tropical Pacific, but how was that warm water created?

It was created during a La Niña that came before the El Niño. This happens because La Niña events reduce cloud cover and allow more sunlight than normal to penetrate and warm the tropical Pacific. It’s all so simple, and it’s all supported by data, not by incorrect assumptions implanted into the programming climate models.

There are variations of the myth that “La Niña is the opposite of El Niño”. One variation: the response of global surface temperatures to a La Niña is similar to an El Niño but of the opposite sign. That’s just as wrong as the original. The differences in the aftereffects of El Niño and La Niña are very obvious—you can’t miss them—especially after the strong El Niño events that took place during satellite era of sea surface temperature records. That’s the 30-year period we’ll discuss in this post.

Another variation to the fairy tale: ENSO is simply noise or an exogenous factor in the global surface temperature record. The fancy-schmancy word exogenous was recently and incorrectly used to describe ENSO in the 2011 Foster and Rahmstorf paper Global Temperature Evolution 1979–2010. Exogenous, according to Webster, means:

caused by factors (as food or a traumatic factor) or an agent (as a disease-producing organism) from outside the organism or system.

Actually, ENSO is an integral part of the sea surface temperature record. As such, the effects of ENSO cannot be removed from the surface temperature record. ENSO represents a natural coupled ocean-atmosphere process, not some outside factor. The events that initiate an El Niño are weather related, making El Niño basically random events, but they’re still part of normal and natural global climate. By labeling ENSO as noise or an exogenous factor, the scientists and statisticians are attempting to conceal its long-term effects—just another way to misinform the public.

This post will clearly show that global sea surface temperatures do not respond to all La Niña events as they do to the El Niño events that came before them. There’s also a major portion (33% of the surface area) of the global oceans that have defied greenhouse gases. The sea surface temperatures there have NOT warmed in three decades. That’s tough to explain in a world where greenhouse gases are supposed to be warming the oceans.

HOW THE BASIC ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING MYTH IS PORTRAYED

Proponents of anthropogenic global warming, including bloggers and climate scientists, have done a wonderful job of convincing the public that there are three basic components to the warming of global sea surface temperatures. They include:

(1.) An anthropogenic global warming component that is supposed to explain the warming trend of the global sea surface temperatures. That’s the part they portray as evil, but it doesn’t exist so there’s nothing sinister behind the warming of the global oceans. Then there are the two natural factors;

(2.) A sun-blocking volcanic aerosols component to explain the sudden but temporary cooling of global sea surface temperatures that are caused by catastrophic volcanic eruptions; and,

(3.) An El Niño- and La Niña-related component to explain the year-to-year wiggles above and beyond the anthropogenic global warming component (1.).

Those three components are shown in Figure 1.

According to the supposition of anthropogenic global warming, the end result of those three components is the warming of the global sea surface temperature anomalies over the past 30 years with all of its yearly variations. See Figure 2. It assumes there is an anthropogenic component that’s responsible for all of the long-term warming, and it assumes there is a volcanic aerosols component to explain the dips and rebounds caused by of the eruptions of El Chichon in 1982 and Mount Pinatubo in 1991. It also assumes that the global sea surface temperatures respond proportionally to El Niño and La Niña events, which explain the large year-to-year variations above and beyond the long-term warming trend caused by manmade greenhouse gases. That is, it assumes global sea surface temperatures will cool in response to La Niña events and warm in response to El Niño events and do so proportionally.

REALITY IS DIFFERENT THAN THE HYPOTHESES/SUPPOSITIONS/ASSUMPTIONS

One of the components discussed above is presented correctly: the volcanic aerosols component. After the two major explosive volcanic eruptions, global sea surface temperatures did cool and then warm back up gradually over a few years. Those dips and rebounds are tough to find in some parts of the global oceans, but in others you can’t miss the effects of those volcanos. Additionally, the way the El Niño-La Niña component is portrayed is partly correct. Global sea surface temperatures do warm in response to El Niño events…

If you’re waiting for me to say global sea surface temperatures cool during all La Niña events, you’ll be waiting a long time, because the sea surface temperature records don’t show they cool during all La Niñas. Let me clarify that: the sea surface temperatures for a portion of the global oceans do respond proportionally to El Niño and La Niña events, but in a much larger area, they do not.

Also, as a result, there is no evidence in the satellite-era of sea surface temperature records that manmade greenhouse gases are responsible for any portion of the warming of the global oceans.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT?

If a hypothesis does not agree with the data that’s used to support it, then the hypothesis is flawed. According to the climate models used as marketing tools by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), only greenhouse gases can explain the warming over the past 30 years. If the IPCC had evaluated sea surface temperature data for that time period by breaking the data into logical subsets, they’d have discovered the warming can be explained naturally. Maybe some contributing authors/scientists/computer modelers do understand and they have elected not to express it.

Consider this: Most of us live on land. The vast majority of the warming of land surface air temperatures is caused by the warming of the surface temperatures of the oceans. How vast a majority? About 85%—give or take—of the warming of land surface air temperatures is in response to warming of the global sea surface temperatures. This can be shown through data analysis and with climate model outputs available on the web. Refer to Compo and Sardeshmukh (2009): Oceanic influences on recent continental warming. Compo and Sardeshmukh didn’t identify how much of the warming of land surface air temperatures could be attributed to the warming of the sea surface temperatures, but I did in Chapter 8.11 of my book Who Turned on the Heat? Figure 3 is from that chapter. The data presented in it is from the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) ModelE Climate Simulations – Climate Simulations for 1880-2003 webpage, specifically Table 3. Those outputs are based on the GISS Model-E coupled general circulation model. They were presented in the Hansen et al (2007) paper Climate simulations for 1880-2003 with GISS modelE.

The additional warming of land surface air temperatures could be caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases, but it is just as likely the warming was caused by other factors such as land-use changes, urban heat island effect, black soot on snow, overly aggressive corrections (modifications) to the land surface air temperature records, problems associated the locations of the temperature measuring surface stations, etc.

Let me rephrase that. These additional factors—land use changes, urban heat island effect, etc.—do not impact the surface temperatures of the oceans in the real world or in climate models. Therefore, because the oceans cover 70% of the planet, the entire warming of the oceans in the climate models is assumed to be caused by manmade greenhouse gases and by changes in aerosols. That’s why carbon dioxide is considered to be so important by climate scientists. However, because the warming of the global oceans can be shown to be natural, then greenhouse gases, including the well-marketed carbon dioxide, become also-rans, with carbon dioxide vying for a place with the other land-only factors.

THE USE OF GLOBAL DATA AS A METRIC FOR GLOBAL WARMING CAN BE DECEIVING

I know the heading sounds odd, but it’s true. If we look at data on a global basis, we can only see that the global dataset has warmed—we can’t see if there are obvious reasons for the warming. To eliminate that problem, we’ll simply divide the data into two portions. We’ll call these regions the East Pacific (90S-90N, 180-80W) and the Rest of the World (90S-90N, 80W-180) to simplify the discussion. These areas are shown in Figure 4. They stretch from the Southern Ocean surrounding Antarctica to the Arctic Ocean surrounding the North Pole.

The East Pacific sea surface temperature data represents about 33% of the surface area of the global oceans—that’s a chunk of water—while the Rest-of-the-World data makes up the other 67%.

I’ve also highlighted an area in the eastern equatorial Pacific called the NINO3.4 region. Recall our earlier very basic discussion about an El Niño and the thermometers the scientists use to tell us when an El Niño is taking place. That’s the area. Please don’t think there’s only one thermometer bobbing around on wine bottle cork. There are weather station-like buoys measuring atmospheric and oceanic (surface and subsurface) conditions across the entire tropical Pacific. Those NOAA Tropical Ocean-Atmosphere (TAO) Project buoys are linked to satellites, which relay the data back to climate monitoring centers. The NOAA PMEL website includes an animated slide show that provides a simple, easy-to-understand overview of the TOA project.

There are other satellites that measure the skin temperatures of the global oceans twice daily, and they’ve been doing so since late in 1981. There are also ships and other buoys measuring sea surface temperatures around the global oceans.

A PRELIMINARY NOTE ABOUT OUR ENSO INDEX

As noted above, the sea surface temperature anomalies of a region of the eastern equatorial Pacific are commonly used as an indicator of El Niño and La Niña events—aka an ENSO Index. That region with the coordinates of 5S-5N, 170W-120W is called NINO3.4. We’ll use the sea surface temperatures of the NINO3.4 region as a reference in the following graphs for how often El Niño and La Niña events occur, how strong they are and how long they persist. Keep in mind, though, while the NINO3.4 sea surface temperatures indicate an ENSO event is taking place in the eastern equatorial Pacific, it is only measuring the effects of the El Niño or La Niña on the surface temperatures in that region. That may seem obvious, but people lose track of that fact and forget to account for the effects an El Niño is having outside of that region on temperatures and other variables.

The sea surface temperatures in that NINO3.4 region warm and cool directly in response to the El Niño and La Niña events, so the swings in temperature there are quite large, much greater than the variations in the other datasets we’ll illustrate. To accommodate the differences, the monthly values of the NINO3.4 data are multiplied by a common factor to reduce the variations. That simple process is called scaling. I’ve also shifted the NINO3.4 data back in time in one graph to better align the wiggles in the two variables. That was done to account for the time lag between the changes in temperature in the NINO3.4 region and the responses of the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperatures. The scaled NINO3.4 sea surface temperatures are the purple curves in the following graphs.

THE EAST PACIFIC SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE DATA DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE ASSUMPTION OF GREENHOUSE GAS-DRIVEN GLOBAL WARMING

With that in mind, let’s compare the scaled NINO3.4 data to the sea surface temperature anomalies for the East Pacific. Refer to Figure 5. One of the components that are used to explain the variations in sea surface temperature is obviously there. The East Pacific sea surface temperature anomalies (pink curve) warm in response to El Niño events shown as the large upward spikes in the scaled NINO3.4 data (purple curve) and cool in response to La Niña events as shown with downward dips in the NINO3.4 data. During an El Niño event, warm water that had been below the surface of the western tropical Pacific sloshes into the East Pacific Ocean on the surface, impacting the sea surface temperatures of the East Pacific and the NINO3.4 region directly. When the El Niño is done, the leftover warm water sloshes back out of the East Pacific. Comparing the two curves, the East Pacific sea surface temperature anomalies diverge from the scaled NINO3.4 data at times, but in general, the East Pacific sea surface temperatures mimic the ENSO index. The volcanic aerosol component also seems to be missing. It’s a tough call since the two datasets don’t follow one another perfectly.

Regardless, the component that’s very obviously missing is the anthropogenic global warming component. Sea surface temperature anomalies for the East Pacific haven’t warmed in 30 years. A trend of 0.007 deg C per decade is basically flat. That’s 7 one-thousandths of a deg C per decade, or based on the linear trend, they’ve warmed 2.1 one-hundredths of a deg C over the past 30 years. It’s foolish to think in terms that small when dealing with a body of water that’s about 120 million square kilometers or about 46 million square miles. It’s better simply to say the data shows no evidence of warming.

On the other hand, according to the climate models used by the IPCC, the East Pacific sea surface temperatures SHOULD HAVE warmed roughly 0.42 to 0.45 deg C over that period, IF they were warmed by anthropogenic greenhouse gases. Obviously, they haven’t been warmed by greenhouse gases. Should’ve, would’ve, could’ve.

Yeah but…the proponents of anthropogenic global warming repeatedly say…Yeah but…

THE SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD HAVE WARMED

That’s very obvious. We showed the sea surface temperatures for the global oceans have warmed in Figure 2. If the East Pacific data hasn’t warmed in 30 years, then the warming has to have come from someplace and logically that’s going to be in the sea surface temperature data for the area we’re calling the Rest-of-the-World. We can see this in a graph that compares East Pacific and Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature anomalies, Figure 6.

The proponents of anthropogenic global warming will argue that they’ve never claimed the globe will warm uniformly; that is, some parts warm, while others don’t. It’s a convenient excuse, one that they can’t support with climate models because the climate models say the East Pacific should have warmed, so they fabricate another misleading statement. It’s easy to do. They’ve got a long history of misinforming the public. It’s a choice they’ve clearly made.

THE SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURE DATA FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD DOES NOT AGREE WITH THE ASSUMPTION OF GREENHOUSE GAS-DRIVEN GLOBAL WARMING

It was easy to compare the year-to-year warmings and coolings in the East Pacific data and our ENSO index because neither has warmed in 30 years. Let’s make the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature anomalies just as easy to compare to our ENSO index by removing the trend in the Rest-of-the-World data. “Detrending” a dataset is simple. First, the monthly values of the trend line for the Rest-of-the-World data are determined. Second, the values of the trend line are subtracted from the Rest-of-the-World data. It’s a quick and easy process with a spreadsheet. Figure 7 compares the Rest-of-the-World data to its detrended version.

With the trend removed from Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperatures, two things SHOULD appear when they are then compared to the NINO3.4 data. The Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature anomalies should temporarily dip below the scaled NINO3.4 data starting in 1982 and in 1991 as the Rest-of-the-World data cools then rebounds in response to the volcanic aerosols. There’s something else that SHOULD happen if the proponents of anthropogenic global warming have been truthful about El Niño and La Niña. Sea surface temperatures in the Rest-of-the-World should warm in response to El Niños and they should cool proportionally to La Niñas, just as they had for the East Pacific data. Figure 8 compares the NINO3.4 and Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature anomalies.

Looks like we’ve been misinformed once again.

The Rest-of-the-World data does diverge from the scaled NINO3.4 data as expected in response to the volcanic eruptions. I’ve highlighted those in green. The effects of the very strong 1982/83 El Niño were counteracted by the 1982 eruption of El Chichon and the impacts of the 1991/92 El Niño were overwhelmed by the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo.

To contradict the myth about La Niña, the sea surface temperatures for the Rest-of-the-World do NOT cool proportionately during the two La Niña events that followed the two very strong El Niño events of 1986/87/88 and 1997/98. They warmed in response to those two El Niño events, but they failed to cool in response the La Niña events that followed. I’ve highlighted those divergences in brown. If they cooled proportionally during those two La Niña events, the dark blue line would follow the ENSO Index shown in purple. The detrended Rest-of-the-World data mimics the NINO3.4 data at other times, but not after the two major El Niño events.

Why?

1. The processes that drive La Niña events are not the opposite of El Niño events.

2. After a very strong El Niño event, there can be a huge amount of leftover warm water that remains on the surface. There is also a huge volume of leftover warm water that’s below the surface, and it rises to the surface with time.

RECALL THE EARLIER DISCUSSIONS

In the introduction I wrote:

On the other hand, an El Niño takes naturally created warm water from below the surface of the western tropical Pacific and relocates it the surface. When it’s below the surface, the warm water is not included in the surface temperature record, but during and after the El Niño, the warm water is included in the surface temperature record. That warm water makes a short appearance in the eastern tropical Pacific—where scientists measure sea surface temperatures so that we know an El Niño is taking place—before the warm water is distributed around the global oceans, causing the long-term natural warming of sea surface and land surface air temperatures.

Further, at the end of the El Niño, sea surface temperatures in the eastern tropical Pacific cool and return to normal levels. They might even cool to temperatures below normal if a La Niña follows the El Niño. That typically happens after a very strong El Niño—that is, La Niñas typically follow strong El Niños.

Now here’s where the proponents of manmade global warming get goofy. In very basic terms: some climate scientists point to the cooling temperature in the eastern tropical Pacific and say global surface temperatures should also cool because the El Niño is done where they have their El Niño-measuring thermometers. Those scientists know there’s a huge amount of warm water left over after a strong El Niño; they know the leftover warm water has been redistributed to other parts of the global oceans away from their El Niño-measuring thermometers; yet they have the gall of conmen when they to point to those El Niño-measuring thermometers in the eastern tropical Pacific and tell us the effects of the El Niño are done. They then heap it on thicker when they say, since surface temperatures have warmed away from their El Niño-measuring thermometers, the warming elsewhere must be caused by manmade greenhouse gases. They have presented that absurd argument in a good number of scientific papers. They know it makes no sense, I know it and now you know it.

The divergences shown in brown in Figure 8 are caused when sea surface temperatures of the Rest-of-the-World fail to cool in response to the La Niña. Basically, they don’t cool because of the warm water that’s left over after the El Niño.

Recall the discussion of the East Pacific response to El Niño events.

During an El Niño event, warm water that had been below the surface of the western tropical Pacific sloshes into the East Pacific Ocean on the surface, impacting the sea surface temperatures of the East Pacific and the NINO3.4 region directly. When the El Niño is done, the leftover warm water sloshes back out of the East Pacific.

After the El Niño, the warm leaves the East Pacific and it winds up—you guessed it—in the area we’ve been calling the Rest-of-the-World. And through phenomena called teleconnections, that leftover warm water causes the warming of land surface temperatures and the temperatures of other ocean basins, like the North Atlantic, that are not directly and immediately impacted by the leftover warm water. In simple terms, the leftover warm water counteracts the effect of the La Niña on temperatures outside of the tropical Pacific.

I’ll now show you the effects of that left-over warm water Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature anomalies. It’s what those proponents of manmade global warming are trying to hide.

WHAT DO YOU SUPPOSE HAPPENS WHEN SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES WARM IN RESPONSE TO STRONG EL NIÑO EVENTS BUT DON’T COOL IN RESPONSE TO THE LA NIÑA EVENTS THAT FOLLOW THEM?

Under this heading, we’re back to discussing the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature data with its trend intact. A preliminary note: It is not by coincidence that global sea surface temperatures warm in response to an El Niño. The coupled ocean-atmosphere processes that cause this have been known for decades.

If the sea surface temperatures for the Rest-of-the-World warm in response to major El Niño events but do not cool proportionally in response to the trailing La Niña events, there has to be an ENSO-caused long-term warming of the sea surface temperature anomalies for that region. That’s precisely what’s shown by the sea surface temperature data for the Rest-of-the-World. See Figure 9. In it, I’ve isolate the months during which the major El Niño events occurred and colored them in red. The Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature anomalies between the major El Niño events are shown in different colors. The time periods of the light blue curve before the 1986/87/88 El Niño and the orangey curve after the 2009/10 El Niño are too short to really show what’s happening during them. They’ve been provided as references. The longer 9- and 11-year periods clearly show sea surface temperatures for the Rest-of-the-World haven’t warmed very much during them—if they’ve warmed at all. The dark blue flat lines represent the average sea surface temperatures for the periods between or after the major El Niño events. They’ve been provided to show the upward warming steps caused by the strong El Niño events, and caused by the failure of the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature to cool proportionally during the La Niña events that followed them.

ENSO IS A NATURAL PROCESS AND THAT MEANS…

I have shown in numerous blog posts how the instrument temperature records indicate that El Niño and La Niña events are natural processes. I’ve also discussed that topic in great detail my book Who Turned on the Heat?  Some people simply won’t accept what the data tells them. Will they accept the opinions of anthropogenic global warming scientists from the blog RealClimate? Will they accept the findings of a well-known ENSO expert and climate alarmist, Kevin Trenberth?

In the recent blog post Climate indices to watch at RealClimate, contributor Rasmus Benestad writes (my boldface):

ENSO is a natural phenomenon, but may change under a changing climate and is interesting to watch over the long term.

The “yeah but” statement after the boldfaced portion is, of course, speculation.

Alarmist climate scientist and distinguished ENSO expert Kevin Trenberth admits ENSO is natural. Most recently he did so in the abstract of the (2012) Trenberth and Fasullo paper Climate extremes and climate change: The Russian Heat Wave and other Climate Extremes of 2010.  I’ll be discussing that paper in an upcoming post, but the abstract reads in part (my boldface):

A global perspective is developed on a number of high impact climate extremes in 2010 through diagnostic studies of the anomalies, diabatic heating, and global energy and water cycles that demonstrate relationships among variables and across events. Natural variability, especially ENSO, and global warming from human influences together resulted in very high sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in several places that played a vital role in subsequent developments.

As we’ve shown, the “global warming from human influences” does not exist in sea surface temperature records for the past 30 years, so the rest of the sentence is alarmist drivel. It undermines what might have been an important paper.

BOTTOM LINE ON THE WARMING OF THE REST-OF-THE-WORLD SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES

Let’s clarify what’s been presented during the discussion of the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperature data:

Over the past 30 years, the sea surface temperatures of the Rest-of-the-World warmed during the major El Niño events but did not warm before them, between them or after them. Therefore, the long-term warming of the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperatures occurred during and was caused by the strong ENSO events. Further, because ENSO is a natural process, and because the long-term warming of the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperatures was caused by ENSO, then the long-term warming of the Rest-of-the-World sea surface temperatures is natural, too. In no way is that a stretch of the imagination.

A GLIMPSE AT A FURTHER BREAKDOWN

I’ve taken the discussion farther in the blog post Supplement To “ENSO Indices Do Not Represent The Process Of ENSO Or Its Impact On Global Temperature”. There I divided the Rest-of-the-World data into two more subsets so that I could show the additional rate of warming and the other impacts of an addition mode of natural variability called the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation. It impacts the North Atlantic sea surface temperature data.

However, that post also illustrated a very important point: the sea surface temperatures for the larger portion—representing the South Atlantic, Indian and West Pacific Oceans or about 53% of the surface area of the global oceans—actually cooled between the major El Niño events. Refer to Figure 10. It’s Figure 5-23 from my book Who Turned on the Heat? where this topic is also discussed in detail.

Because the sea surface temperatures for that dataset cool during the 9- and 11-year periods between the major El Niño events, and because the sea surface temperatures there warm only during the major El Niño events, and because the long-term data shows a significant warming trend, then one might conclude the major El Niño events are responsible for all of the long-term warming of the South Atlantic, Indian and West Pacific Oceans. It’s not an unreasonable conclusion. In fact, that’s what the data shows.

INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE EL NIÑO AND LA NIÑA AND THEIR LONG-TERM EFFECTS ON GLOBAL SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES?

This post provided an overview of how the sea surface temperature record indicates El Niño and La Niña events are responsible for the warming of global sea surface temperature anomalies over the past 30 years. I’ve investigated sea surface temperature records—sliced it and diced it, animated data-based maps to show the processes that cause the warming—for more than 4 years, and I can find no evidence of an anthropogenic greenhouse gas warming signal.

I recently published an e-book (pdf) about the phenomena called El Niño and La Niña. It’s titled Who Turned on the Heat? with the subtitle The Unsuspected Global Warming Culprit, El Niño Southern Oscillation. It is intended for persons (with or without technical backgrounds) interested in learning about El Niño and La Niña events and in understanding the natural causes of the warming of our global oceans for the past 30 years. Because land surface air temperatures simply exaggerate the natural warming of the global oceans over annual and multidecadal time periods, the vast majority of the warming taking place on land is natural as well. The book is the product of years of research of the satellite-era sea surface temperature data that’s available to the public via the internet. It presents how the data accounts for its warming—and, as I’ve said numerous times throughout this post, there are no indications the warming was caused by manmade greenhouse gases. None at all.

Who Turned on the Heat? was introduced in the blog post Everything You Every Wanted to Know about El Niño and La Niña… …Well Just about Everything. The Updated Free Preview includes the Table of Contents; the Introduction; the beginning of Section 1, with the cartoon-like illustrations; the discussion About the Cover; and the Closing.

Please click here to buy a copy. (Paypal or Credit/Debit Card). It’s only US$8.00.

You’re probably asking yourself why you should spend $8.00 for a book written by an independent climate researcher. There aren’t many independent researchers investigating El Niño-Southern Oscillation or its long-term impacts on global surface temperatures. In fact, if you were to perform a Google image search of NINO3.4 sea surface temperature anomalies, the vast majority of the graphs and images are from my blog posts or cross posts of them. Try it. Cut and paste NINO3.4 sea surface temperature anomalies into Google. Click over to images and start counting the number of times you see Bob Tisdale.

By independent I mean I am not employed in a research or academic position; I’m not obligated to publish results that encourage future funding for my research—that is, my research is not agenda-driven. I’m a retiree, a pensioner. The only funding I receive is from book sales and donations at my blog.

Also, I’m independent inasmuch as I’m not tied to consensus opinions so that my findings will pass through the gauntlet of peer-review gatekeepers. Truth be told, it’s unlikely the results of my research would pass through that gauntlet because the satellite-era sea surface temperature data contradicts the dogmas of the consensus.

There are, of course, arguments against what has been presented in this post. Those failed arguments have been addressed and shown to be wrong, using data. I’ve done this repeatedly over the past three years. I’ve included them in Section 7 of my book. Refer to the Updated Free Preview.

You may also have general questions about El Niño and La Niña and their long-term effects. They’ve likely been asked and answered previously. They too were included in the book, but feel free to ask questions on any thread at my blog Climate Observations.

CLOSING

I opened the post with the statement: Global sea surface temperatures have warmed over the past 30 years, but there is no evidence the warming was caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases. No evidence at all. I confirmed that statement within the body of the post, using data, not climate models.

Back to the title question: Are anthropogenic greenhouse gases important in the warming of the global oceans?

Nope. They’re impotent!

SOURCE

The Reynolds OI.v2 sea surface temperature data presented in this post is available through the NOAA NOMADS website, or through the KNMI Climate Explorer.

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Bart
September 17, 2012 10:54 pm

For people who keep asking “Where does the extra energy come from?”, the answer is: The Sun. The answer is always: The Sun. That is the answer even in the AGW paradigm. It’s exactly the same in either case: something changed in the climate state which precipitated a net accumulation of energy from: The Sun.
But, just because you can point to a particular something that has changed, e.g., the human release of latent CO2 in fossil fuels which many believe has affected the CO2 state, does not preclude a change in other, perhaps more sensitive, perhaps much more sensitive, physical states which affect the climate.
Despite the abundant evidence of recurring greater and lesser ice ages, climate optima, and other events, people have this odd tendency to cling to the notion that, but for the intervention of humankind, the climate is static, and cannot change without our say so. It is an oddly egocentric and childlike viewpoint.

September 18, 2012 1:40 am

rgb makes an important point. Sea level from tide gauges is probably the bet century+ metric we have. 150 years ago getting sea level and tidal measurements right was considered much more important than getting air temperature measurements right.
And sea level rise is pretty much a straight line up, with perhaps a slight acceleration after 1970 (eyeballing). This combined with the LIA strongly indicates a cycle of several centuries at work. What proportion is thermal expansion and what proportion is ice melt doesn’t matter too much, as both are good proxies for climate warming.
Bob, you need a succinct description of how ENSO can be causative of the SST trend. Showing ENSO is the mechanism isn’t the same thing as being the cause. In a stable system, in order for a trend (that isn’t part of a cycle of some kind) to exist there must be a causative agent that is also changing or has changed in the past. If ENSO is the cause, how is ENSO changing or has changed?

September 18, 2012 2:12 am

richardscourtney says:
September 17, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Mostly Harmless:
I offer you a tip for future reference.
Never doubt TonyB unless you have rock-solid evidence because the record shows he only makes statements he can back-up with documented information from a variety of sources and types.
But he didn’t, did he? He made a totally unsupported statement – am I, as a sceptic, not entitled to question it? Are you suggesting that I should simply defer to the authority of someone who may, or may not, know more than I do on a subject? In his reply to me, he has only provided his opinion that the IPCC analysis is corrupted, not the data itself, which is what he stated. I critically question everything I read on the ‘net, as any true sceptic should. I question what Bob’s written here and elsewhere, until I can be sure that I can accept his statements. I’m sure he would not only accept, but applaud such questioning and checking of his statements and analysis of data – he’s certainly given plenty of evidence for that here in his measured, polite, and detailed replies to comments.

Editor
September 18, 2012 2:45 am

Matt G says regarding ISCCP cloud amount data: “The early data caused by volcanoes did cause an 2 percent increase in low global cloud data, but this quickly responded back to previous levels shortly after.”
Has the data that’s online been corrected? I haven’t found mention of any corrections for volcanic aerosols in the support literature.
Matt G says: “The wide band missing is very unlikely to affect global trends unless this region behaves significantly differently.”
Your assumption here is that it does not behave differently. For example, the Indian Ocean Dipole impacts cloud cover and precipitation in the western Indian Ocean and its contribution to global cloud cover.

dennisambler
September 18, 2012 2:46 am

This is excellent work, and easily read and well presented.
It reminds me again of the views of the late Robert Stevenson, oceanographer, on ocean heat, in 2000 when he critiqued the first Levitus et al paper on ocean heat content:
“Yes, the Ocean Has Warmed; No, It’s Not ‘Global Warming’” – Dr Robert Stevenson,
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/ocean.html
“How the Oceans Get Warm
Warming the ocean is not a simple matter, not like heating a small glass of water. The first thing to remember is that the ocean is not warmed by the overlying air.
Let’s begin with radiant energy from two sources: sunlight, and infrared radiation, the latter emitted from the “greenhouse” gases (water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and various others) in the lower atmosphere.
Sunlight penetrates the water surface readily, and directly heats the ocean up to a certain depth. Around 3 percent of the radiation from the Sun reaches a depth of about 100 meters.
The top layer of the ocean to that depth warms up easily under sunlight. Below 100 meters, however, little radiant energy remains. The ocean becomes progressively darker and colder as the depth increases.
The infrared radiation penetrates but a few millimeters into the ocean. This means that the greenhouse radiation from the atmosphere affects only the top few millimeters of the ocean.
Water just a few centimeters deep receives none of the direct effect of the infrared thermal energy from the atmosphere! Further, it is in those top few millimeters in which evaporation takes places. So whatever infrared energy may reach the ocean as a result of the greenhouse effect is soon dissipated.
The concept proposed in some predictive models is that any anomalous heat in the mixed layer of the ocean (the upper 100 meters) might be lost to the deep ocean. It is clear that solar-related variations in mixed-layer temperatures penetrate to between 80 to 160 meters, the average depth of the main pycnocline (density discontinuity) in the global ocean. Below these depths, temperature fluctuations become uncorrelated with solar signals, deeper penetration being restrained by the stratified barrier of the pycnocline.
Consequently, anomalous heat associated with changing solar irradiance is stored in the upper 100 meters. The heat balance is maintained by heat loss to the atmosphere, not to the deep ocean.”
It’s worth having a look again at the whole article.

Editor
September 18, 2012 3:07 am

rgbatduke says: “I appreciate why you say that and agree that only the last 35 years or thereabouts of satellite based data is truly apples to apples — mostly — consistent and probably instrumentally reproducible. The problem, of course, is that 30, 40, even 60 years of data if you include atmospheric soundings, is a pitiful baseline upon which to base any sort of theory at all. For one thing it doesn’t include a complete cycle of many of the large decadal oscillations that almost certainly have as much total influence as ENSO (and may be cofactors in what ENSO does).”
You miss the obvious. This is a discussion of satellite based sea surface temperature data, which is used because it is spatially complete. Also, the past 30 years is the time period when the IPCC says only greenhouse gases can cause the warming
rgbatduke says: “Of course not. You’ve now taken perhaps half of the inadequate time baseline of your analysis and shown a couple of lines that aren’t in agreement across that time, where the difference between both lines is insignificant noise on the scale of the 1870-2010 data.”
The time period being discussed is the last 30 years, not the last 140.
rgbatduke says: “This isn’t quite cherrypicking (since that is the entire era where there are halfway decent satellite measurements of the SLR in the first place) but it in no way rebuts the assertion that straight up sea level is likely to be a very good proxy for global temperature across the entire stretch.”
We’re not discussing GLOBAL sea surface temperature in this post. How could you miss that obvious fact? This is a discussion of the impacts of a process called ENSO on the sea surface temperatures of specific regions of the oceans. These processes impact sea surface temperatures out in the middle of the ocean differently than they impact temperatures along shorelines.
rgbatduke says: “Again, the issue isn’t with the data or even your interpretations of it, it is with the relative lack of sophistication in your analysis of it. You make assertions that this is noise, that isn’t noise, CO_2 isn’t well correlated, ENSO is well correlated — but those assertions are not quantitative. They could be, and if they were they would be a lot more convincing.”
My readers here and at my blog are not scientists or statisticians. They are laypeople interested in global warming and climate change. I try to make my presentations of data as simple as possible to illustrate the differences between model simulations and data. Anyone who is interested can take the findings farther to satisfy any scientific needs they have.
Regards

Editor
September 18, 2012 3:13 am

P. Solar says: “You’re missing my point. You can compare form like that and note the correlation in the cyclic component but you can’t talk about ‘cooling’ when it’s actually warming but you have cooled it by removing a ‘trend’. “
I’m not missing your point. You originally misread the graph, so I suspect you’re misinterpreting something else. Please quote the entire paragraph of my post that concerns you.

Editor
September 18, 2012 3:34 am

Goldie says: “Interestingly it seems that big La Ninas potentially have other climactic affects apart from taking on heat for the next El Nino. The really big La Nina of 74 was followed a couple of seasons later by a stepwise change (drop) in rainfall. Since the last La Nina was pretty big too, I am wondering whats nevt.”
The really big La Nina lasted a whole lot longer than 1974. It started after the 1972/73 El Nino and ended in 1976. The seasonal minimum temperature is one indicator of La Nina strength, but the Pacific basically stayed in La Nina phase for more than 3 years. Based on duration it was a super La Nina.
My book deals primarily with the satellite era of sea surface temperature data, but that La Nina is discussed a few times in the book.
Goldie says: “If you have an explanation of the mechanism in your book, please say so and I will gladly go there rather than get you to reiterate here.”
Goldie, ENSO is described in intimate detail in my book, including the interactions in the tropical Pacific of sea surface temperatures, subsurface temperatures, trade wind strength and direction, cloud clover, precipitation, downward shortwave radiation (visible sunlight), ocean heat content, ocean currents, etc. The primary variable used when discussing the global impacts of ENSO is sea surface temperature. There are also chapters that discuss the impacts on precipitation, land+sea surface temperatures, lower troposphere temperatures. Take a look at the Table of Contents in the preview:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/preview-of-who-turned-on-the-heat-v2.pdf
Regards

Editor
September 18, 2012 3:47 am

Bill Illis: Which long-term SST reconstruction are you using? The reason I ask, the 1997/98 El Nino does not appear in the Reynolds OI.v2-based SST data as such a large spike. I use slightly different coordinates (60S-0, 70W-20E).

Editor
September 18, 2012 3:49 am

Bill Illis: Oops, forgot to include the South Atlanic SST graph:
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/8-so-atl.png

Editor
September 18, 2012 4:01 am

Philip Bradley says: “rgb makes an important point. Sea level from tide gauges is probably the bet century+ metric we have.”
This post is about the impacts of the processes of ENSO on the sea surface temperatures out in the middle of ocean basins, not along the shorelines. It is also widely known that sea level data is impacted by post glacial rebound. With both of those points considered, sea level data is useless for this discussion.

Editor
September 18, 2012 4:08 am

Philip Bradley says: “Bob, you need a succinct description of how ENSO can be causative of the SST trend. Showing ENSO is the mechanism isn’t the same thing as being the cause.”
I believe my post described the mechanism. Did you read the post?
Philip Bradley says: “In a stable system, in order for a trend (that isn’t part of a cycle of some kind) to exist there must be a causative agent that is also changing or has changed in the past. If ENSO is the cause, how is ENSO changing or has changed?”
When has climate ever been a stable system? I have described the causing agent. Did you read the post?

Editor
September 18, 2012 4:13 am

dennisambler: Thanks for the link to Robert Stevenson article. It was one of the things that prompted my interest in sea surface temperature data.

Editor
September 18, 2012 4:33 am

Robbie says: “This hypothesis of ENSO being the culprit of global warming has been suggested before here:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/McLean_deFreitas_Carter_JGR_2009.pdf
It was rebutted in less than a year later here:
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/cas/Trenberth/trenberth.papers/2009JD012960.pdf”
And you continued, “If this last paper (Foster et al 2010) has some statistical flaws or other mistakes then Mr. Tisdale should have written a rebuttal to the same magazine. AGU always, I repeat, always issues corrections of mistakes made in articles. Any article. And no Mr. Tisdale: It doesn’t cost you a single dime. You can do that here…”
Robbie: You obviously do not understand the difference between sea surface temperature data and lower troposphere temperature data. You also fail to grasp the differences in what Foster et al and I have presented. I have presented oceanic processes and the responses of sea surface temperatures to those ocean processes. Also, my first posts on this subject were published before McLean et al. McLean et al used statistical methods to show the response of TLT to ENSO, something that has been known for decades. McLean et al then made an error in logic. I have not used the same methods. I also have not made the same error in logic. As such Foster et al (2010) is not applicable to my post.
Since you apparently do not understand the subject matter, I suggest you might consider researching it before you attempt to comment here again. Otherwise you’ll continue to make yourself look foolish.
Adios.

P. Solar
September 18, 2012 4:43 am

Bob says: I’m not missing your point. You originally misread the graph, so I suspect you’re misinterpreting something else. Please quote the entire paragraph of my post that concerns you.
It’s not “one paragraph” it’s the idea of removing an arbitrary trend. It is arbitrary since you do not attribute it to anything physical. Any talk of “cooling” after that is a fiction of your own making. That is why I suggest you make the same argument without reference to detrended data which has no physical meaning. I think you can make the same case without the arbitrary data processing and that makes it more credible.
Also since you chose to look at volcanic effects you cannot do that if you mess with the data.
Last year I was not convinced by your idea of step changes. But viewed as asymmetric changes due to ENSO I find it more credible. You have a good demonstration that ENSO is not a neutral “internal variation” that can be ignored as a cause of long term warming, as is currently done mainstream climatology. Kudos.
Since global temps are not always on the rise, I think you now need to show what happens during cooling periods. Can these be shown to be small Nino followed by large Nina or does the cycle simply become neutral letting the Earth cool by losing energy to space?
I’ve already pointed out that El Nino is a cooling event in OHC terms. Once this heat is out of the ocean it is on its way to space. Can you show evidence of a subdued ENSO cycle during periods of cooling. That would establish ENSO as the major player in global warming which I think it what you are aiming to show.
The question then remains what drives/controls ENSO but I think it’s clear the answer won’t be CO2.

Editor
September 18, 2012 4:47 am

Pamela Gray says: “You can’t paint a pretty color on dog poop and call it something else.”
As Anthony noted in the intro here, this post was a couple of weeks in the making. It didn’t take me two weeks to write it. I was also working on a YouTube video to accompany the post. But no matter what I did, I didn’t like the video.
I was watching one of Louis Black’s stage shows last night, when what you wrote clicked with what I was doing with the video. I was trying to paint the dog poop a pretty color. I now have a new direction for the video—but it won’t be as caustic as Louis Black.

richardscourtney
September 18, 2012 5:03 am

Mostly Harmless:
At September 17, 2012 at 4:45 pm I offered you some sincere and kindly advice. And at September 18, 2012 at 2:12 am you have replied

But he didn’t, did he? He made a totally unsupported statement – am I, as a sceptic, not entitled to question it? Are you suggesting that I should simply defer to the authority of someone who may, or may not, know more than I do on a subject?

Your questions do not relate to my advice. Question anybody, but be aware of the response you are likely to get. Tony B is always polite but his responses can be devastating because he has so much information at his fingertips. If I were intending to dispute anything he said then I would want to be certain that I had good reason to think he was wrong. And that is all I was saying.
Richard

Editor
September 18, 2012 5:13 am

Just a random note – I see my crontab entry just updated the ENSO meter, dropping things from 0.75 to 0.57.

matt v.
September 18, 2012 5:48 am

Bob
It would appear to me that the number of strong or longer term climate altering El Ninos had a bearing on the extra warming that took place between 1970 and 2000. Going back to 1900 there have been typically one strong El Nino per decade ,but during the period 1970-2000 there were two or double the number.

ferdberple
September 18, 2012 7:43 am

William McClenney says:
September 16, 2012 at 11:16 pm
At the possible end of the Holocene extreme interglacial, we are left to ask our evolved selves what it is that we should do?
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Pray that CO2 causes warming and that China and India continue to industrialize, and the Africa is allowed to use its massive as yet unmapped coal deposits to lift itself out of poverty.
What is generally unrecognized is that much of this is not accidental. The current economic slump is not going to go away so long as the threat of cap and trade hangs over energy supplies.

Editor
September 18, 2012 12:46 pm

P. Solar: Thanks for your patience.
My detrending the Rest-of-the-World data is simply to aid in the visual comparison.
I had two options for the visual comparison: I could detrend the Rest-of-the-World data; data is regularly detrended and compared to an ENSO Index; sea level data at the University of Colorado Sea Level webpage for example…
http://sealevel.colorado.edu/content/2012rel4-gmsl-and-multivariate-enso-index
…or I could add a trend to the NINO3.4 data, which is unusual. I elected detrending.
But I immediately followed that detrended graph with a graph the trend intact.
Regards

Editor
September 18, 2012 12:56 pm

matt v. says: “Going back to 1900 there have been typically one strong El Nino per decade ,but during the period 1970-2000 there were two or double the number.”
You’re assuming the ENSO record in the early part of the 20th Century properly portrays the strength of El Niño events. The Giese et al (2009) paper “The 1918/19 El Niño” argued that the 1918/19 portion of the 1918/19/20 El Niño was underestimated in the NINO3.4 sea surface temperature reconstructions, and that it was likely comparable in strength to the 1982/83 and 1997/98 El Niño events. Giese et al (2009) also suggested that the 1912/13 and 1939/40/41/42 El Niño events were also under-rated.
http://soda.tamu.edu/documents/Giese_et_al_BAMS_2010.pdf
Regards

matt v.
September 18, 2012 2:11 pm

Bob
Good points. Both of the El Ninos that you mentioned were during the previous warming phase from 1910-1945. In my count of strong El Ninos I had included the 1940/1941 El Nino for the 1940’s decade and I had none for the 1910’s decade , so my comment about one strong El Nino per decade prior to the 1970’s still appears about right. There are different criteria for measuring the strength of an El Nino. I know I got slightly different answers depending on which I used

Robbie
September 18, 2012 2:46 pm

Bob Tisdale says:
“You obviously do not understand the difference between sea surface temperature data and lower troposphere temperature data. You also fail to grasp the differences in what Foster et al and I have presented.”
Some of your many quotes from this piece:
– “Those proponents want to keep the myth of CO2-driven global warming alive and in the forefront of imaginations of a gullible public, so they have to turn Mother Nature’s glorious children, La Niña and her big brother El Niño, into nonfactors.”
– “Another variation to the fairy tale: ENSO is simply noise or an exogenous factor in the global surface temperature record.”
– “As such, the effects of ENSO cannot be removed from the surface temperature record. ENSO represents a natural coupled ocean-atmosphere process, not some outside factor.”
– “The vast majority of the warming of land surface air temperatures is caused by the warming of the surface temperatures of the oceans.”
– “The coupled ocean-atmosphere processes that cause this have been known for decades.”
Need I say more? My original post still stands.

milodonharlani
September 18, 2012 4:22 pm

Bob:
What do you think causes El Niños?
If the proximate cause be a weakening of the tropical easterly winds, what accounts for that weather change? Dr. Ball argues that the ultimate cause may be the effect of the solar wind on the earth’s magnetosphere, hence on the atmosphere and ocean waves. Here’s what he posted recently:
http://drtimball.com/2012/what-causes-el-nino-la-nina-ipcc-doesnt-know-but-builds-models-and-makes-projections-anyway/
Please excuse my asking twice. I would greatly appreciate your opinion.