Back in January 2007, we were admonished:
“…you should remember this moment when you learned about this feedback loop-it is an existencial turning point in your life. “
Yes, I remember, only too well. In fact, here’s a reminder:
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Get your life in order people. The big planet killing fart is coming, sometime in the next 52 days. I’ve sent an email to the editor using the contact page for this newspaper, asking if they’ll have live coverage.
h/t to The Daily Bayonet
Meanwhile, cooler heads are asking about whether climate change is dangerous at all.
Catastrophic methane release has been pretty well debunked. Most of the deep sea methane hydrate deposits are several degrees into the P/T stability region at the seafloor and only become unstable several thousand feet below the seafloor where the geothermal gradient makes it warmer.
Most methane hydrate deposits would remain stable at the surface under any plausible global warming scenario. If they were to melt, it would be from the bottom up, as the warmer temperatures gradually propagated downward several thousand feet from the seafloor. Needless to say that would take thousands of years, by which time we would be into the next ice age anyway.
Jackstraw said: November 10, 2011 at 9:39 am
“I remember this. To add to this hysteria there was a Science Channel documentary about the Permian (P-K) extinction event 250 million years ago.”
If they really said this then they got their abbreviations in a twist.
P-Tr exists [Permian-Triassic] 250 Ma
K-T (or K-Pg) exists [Cretaceous-Tertiary or -Paleogene] 65 Ma
There is no P-K.
I am unclear as to just how effective would be injection of methane into the atmosphere. Atmospheric methane is unstable having a half life of 7 years*. The destruction reaction is claimed to be by hydroxl radicals [.OH] that exist naturally in the atmosphere. According to one source, 500 million tonnes of methane are removed from the troposphere p.a. with a further 40 million tonnes removed in the stratosphere. (I have no idea of its reliability of the data but since it came from a greehnouse gas site I have no reason to doubt it). The hydoxyl radical is so effective in removing organic compounds that it is called the detergent of the troposphere.
The “necessity” of theorising an effect from methane comes because of the significant change in the C-12/C-13 ratio across the P-Tr boundary. The actual cause is not known.
* I took a module on astrobiology which stated that the presence of both oxygen and methane in a planet’s atmosphere is a major clue to the presence of life because they cannot coexist naturally.
Will it be televised at all in the Uk or is it a Canadian thing.
This is absolutely fantastic evidence of how these articles that go to global are truly ludicrous. Just to cover their behind, the individuals publicizing information such as this should set a deadline vastly beyond a something so small as 5 years! I mean come on, why set a 4.5 billion person death prediction if there is NOT clear evidence showcasing that this is even a possibility. Specifically in regards to global warming due to this article’s subject. Although, numbers such as this are no laughing matter, and anyone that comes to the surface to state a massive amount such as 4.5 billion people will die should have their facts straight! These are just my personal ramblings on the matter.
Tipping points are real. When a person or organization of great credibility speaks softly the world listens.
When a person of organization starts to lose credibility they must be more vocal and alarming to get anyone to listen.
After too many false calls for the end of the world, a tipping point is reached and all credibility is lost.
When credibility is lost there is nothing that can be said to regain it.
Did I mention a study proving that Global Warming will cause spiders to get bigger?
Bonus question; does it really take 52 days to jump a shark?
I noticed this in the article.
Methane in the atmosphere does not remain long, persisting for about 10 years before being oxidized to CO2 (a greenhouse gas that lasts for hundreds of thousands of years).
If you add the 356 days you get to Dec. 21 2012. That coinsides with the Mayan calander doomsday.
Microbiologist says:
November 10, 2011 at 9:55 am
“Whether it was you or a subby, take another look at the article quoted. It’s full of caveats. No news here – move on.”
People, move on, nothing to see here, only the usual caveats, meaning it’s perfectly normal science, just scientists talking, they didn’t say you’ll all die, they said you MIGHT die, see? Nothing extraordinary, move on…
I’m sure he was hoping we’d forget. Regardless, this will be one “feedback loop” he won’t soon forget. Those were the glory days for Alarmists, weren’t they? Now look at them, desperately trying to hang on, blaming China’s aerosols for the lack of warming the past decade, and lashing out viciously and futilely. Surely they must know the game is up.
2012 seemed like a long time away back in 07. Soy strips always give me planetary farts. I swear I can’t digest that stuff. I actually drive myself out of the room.
A hint for CAGW journalists: Use a spellchecker when you write time-specific doomsday prophesies. It’ll give you a warm ‘existencial’ inner glow.
I think they’re all sniffing glue
I hear a distant sound like a cat swimming in mayonnaise.
Quoting the article
“”Bibliographic reference courtesy of Brad Arnold who has an extensive resrarch background on Global Warming”.
2012 may be Doomsday in a way … it could be the end of an amazing run of good luck / good decisions ~ 1450 – ~ ?.
What goes up must come down. The cycle must complete.
Damn…Just when fewer and fewer of us carry cigarette lighters……..
You can leave Mr Stokes a note here…
http://www.blog.agoracosmopolitan.com/?p=56
I did, and am awaiting moderation, with bated breath.
Well, seeing how we will each be alive during the deaths of a couple billion people in our lifetimes and that all deaths occur within the lower troposhere where the weather is found, I guess one could say with a straight face that all those deaths were weather-related in some manner.
Contrary to this bozo, I know exactly when 7 billion people will die!
Exactly by the 31st of December, 2111. I may be off by a few hundred or a few thousand souls, but that’s miniscule compared to the vast majority that will be dead and gone. 🙂 And it doesn’t require one of those “existential” frames of mind, either.
Can you set light to it, as it bubbles out of the sea.
Not that I have ever done such a thing … that would be infantile …. moving on ….
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The global warming crowd should publish a book on prophesy and let the world in on how its done.
Yeah people, why aren’t you dying yet? Your NOT dying is killing the planet!
Enough with the “everyone light a match” stuff!
If everyone lit a match at the same time, there might be an explosion as big as 17.4 Polands of TNT, which would possibly be big enough to to turn the earth into a potential fireball that might incinerate everything on the planet including perhaps, rocks, according to the average of 1,327 runs of my model.
(Do I get an “A” for the course in Alarmism 101 or is that maybe even good enough for a PhD thesis?)
Look I’m sure we should have every confidence that these “global warming scientists” will get to the bottom of this latest tipping point catastrophe Anthony.
John Stokes does seem to be having “two bob each way” though on this prediction, given his advice – “global warming scientists. I suggest you Google the term.”. But can we trust Google, no doubt they would be looking to those same “global warming scientists” for answers.
T. S. Eliot, “The Hollow Men”
(hollow = filled with what?):
“This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a …”
[Prrrrrffffftftftftftffftfftttttttt……….]
Speaking of feedback, has anyone noticed the huge increase in snow cover via the Cryosphere Today side-by-side comparison image? It looks to me that some quite robust snow has penetrated the lower latitudes, raising planetary albedo.
More snow = more reflected sunlight = lower solar energy absorption = lower temps.
Or is my model too simple?