This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.
UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony
UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:
Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].
Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.
The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.
In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.
As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.
The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.
But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.
The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.
Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007) (PDF, 3.7 MB):
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).
Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.
Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …
And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):
unequivocal: adjective: admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)
Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.
For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.
I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs) go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?
Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.
In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.
Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.
So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …
So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.
Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.
First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?
(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)
But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.
If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …
(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)
Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.
This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.
And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.
Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.
And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?
Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.
You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:
• Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,
How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter. We are not close to balancing the energy budget. The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not! It is a travesty!
SOURCE: email 1255550975
Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?
At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.
• Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.
• Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.
• Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.
• Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.
• Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?
• Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.
His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.
• Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.
• Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.
• Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.
• STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.
• Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.
• Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?
If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.
Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?
Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.
That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.
But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:
In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.
Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved. So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric. Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.
SOURCE: email 1177158252
Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …
w.

@JimD
“If the null hypothesis is that humans have had no effect on global temperature, and it eventually is statistically falsified (IPCC is at 90% certainty currently), what would replace it. ”
Why would it need replacing? Again, you misunderstand the logical properties of the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis (N0), however confidently and justifiably it may be rejected, does not as a consequence need “renewing” – it remains what it always was.
I may test the hypothesis that there is a force that attracts one body to another, against the null, that there is no such force, by, say, releasing a brick while my toe lies between it and another mass – the earth. The brick will, probably, accelerate towards the earth, on its way trapping my toe, thus providing (memorably painful) evidence for rejection of N0. Depending on how many times I repeat the experiment, that evidence just becomes stronger. But it does NOTHING to N0, nor does it require (or permit) a “new” N0. If one day I release the brick, and it behaves differently, N0 is still there, with none of its logical force diminished, ready to resume its place.
This fundamental misunderstanding of the null hypothesis is a besetting problem in climate “science” – no surprise that has led itself so comprehensively into error.
TomFP says: January 17, 2011 at 4:12 pm
“.. uniquely among hypotheses, [Ho] has the axiomatic status of ‘confirmed’ ..”
No, and this is the confusion that is underlying much of this discussion.
Ho is purely a construct of the experiment as per your “a/”. The status of Ho is simply “not falsified” (and note that even if falsified this is a probabilistic statement e.g. “We’re 95% sure the data doesn’t support the null”).
Being unable to falsify Ho may just mean your data or measuring tools or experiments aren’t good enough.
How a empirical statement gets to be widely accepted is an interesting discussion. Without having given it much thought having been an unfalsified Ho for some time obviously helps (and is a necessary condition), but so does the way the statement fits and is supported by the rest of the body of knowledge.
Willis,
I am very late to your nice thread party.
What theme song would you suggest for it? Perhaps something from the cool(ing) seventies?
Thank you for all your amazing energy.
John
Somehow, my twitching eye and stiff elbow tells me that it is going to ice up here,
over night, and that it is actually MRS. Buzz B who has been doing the writing today. ….smile. ………..Lady in Red
PS: I think she is learning something, too.
Dear Willis Eschenbach
I am sitting here waiting for my previous comment to be “peer reviewed” so to speak. In the meantime, my next couple of questions to you are: When do you expect to be in receipt of an answer from the good Dr. Trenberth to your open letter to him?
And:
Has his lawyer perhaps already been in contact with you through these comments just to buzz –sorry – suss you out and see if he can wind you up?
Six hundred comments on AGW by CO2 and null hypotheses and not one mention of Dr. Miskolzci’s paper… flatly amazing. AGW scientists must have successfully blinded even those who are skeptical.
Rocky H says:
“What’s wrong is the huge industry that has sprung up to cash in on the AGW scare”
Exactly, and it is an industry that shows no signs of failing any time soon. Buzz has his job teaching, Mr. T will continue to do his work, and Anthony is most correct to assume that his work is only just beginning.
My nomination for theme song
http://www.last.fm/music/Savoy+Brown/_/Flood+In+Houston
Youlden/Simmonds-Chrysalis Music Ltd.
Did you hear about the flood in Houston
It happened a long long time ago
Did you hear about the flood in Houston
It happened a long long time ago
There was thousands of people baby
They didn’t have no place to go
Little children baby
You know they were screaming and crying
Little children baby
They were screaming and crying
Just trying to find their families
Trying to find their happy home
Little children were screaming and crying
I watched my brother as he lay dying
Judging from the volume and content of responses “Buzz” elicited he/she’s probably an experienced Troll looking to our waste valuable time while he/she sits back and enjoys the emotional high.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
I hope I’m wrong and there is some value in this “debate”.
@Robb876
I just read the entire post aloud to my wife and six kids and one of the 12 year old twins was fussing that I wasn’t going to read the comments too! 🙂 I guess in life you get what you work for…no effort, no gain.
Willis– thanks so much for posting this great open letter. You have done a real service for all of us as we try to communicate these issues to others.
HAS and TomFP,
OK, it was not right of me to seem to imply that if the IPCC null hypothesis is falsified, and therefore of no further use, there can only be one replacement. However, my suggestion stands that it is useful to base one on positive or negative feedback or lack thereof.
“robert says:
January 17, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Willis Eschenbach at January 15, 2011
You are wrong to insinuate that there has been 0 warming over the past decade.
Why is it that you are choosing to use Hadley for the basis of your claims in this instance given that is does not have global coverage?”
See the five green bar graphs for 5 and 10 years. Besides Hadcrut3, they also include NCDC, GISS, UAH, RSS at:
http://www.climate4you.com/GlobalTemperatures.htm#Comparing%20global%20temperature%20estimates
The most recent 5 years have lower anomalies than the 10 years in every case. So in other words, it was cooler from 2006 to 2010 on the average than from 2001 to 2005. This is despite a very hot 2010.
All five data sets above show cooling during the last decade. Granted, ideally data should be plotted and the line of best fit drawn if you just wanted to see what was happening in the last decade alone. If this were done, I see no way that any would show a huge amount of warming during the past decade alone. Now as for how significant 10 years is, that is a legitimate question and a different issue. But on the basis of these graphs, I believe it is certainly correct “to insinuate that there has been 0 warming over the past decade.”
netdr2, I don’t think a missing 1 W/m2 is going to be a problem once measurements have improved and the record is lengthened. I just can’t get motivated to talk about this when doubling CO2 has a 3.7 W/m2 effect, so we should see that easily when it happens, even with current technology. As far as I’m concerned even uncertainties in cloud cover could explain the missing energy.
As has been pointed out, given the interannual variance, a 15 year record can’t give any kind of trend to within about 0.1 C/decade, up, down or sideways, so I don’t trust anything based on such a short record, because the trend is still comparable with the error until you get to about 30 years.
This shows how some are thinking:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jan/17/china-style-dictatorship-of-climatologists/
NASA’s Hansen prefers rule by decree to fight ‘global warming’
November’s election made it quite clear that the people of the United States do not want to radically change our society in the name of global warming. Pretty much every close House race went to the Republicans, while the Democrats won all the Senate squeakers. The difference? The House on June 26, 2009, passed a bill limiting carbon-dioxide emissions and getting into just about every aspect of our lives. The Senate did nothing of the sort.
The nation’s most prominent publicly funded climatologist is officially angry about this, blaming democracy and citing the Chinese government as the “best hope” to save the world from global warming. He also wants an economic boycott of the U.S. sufficient to bend us to China’s will.
NASA laboratory head James Hansen’s anti-democracy rants were published while he was on a November junket in China, but they didn’t get much attention until recently. On Jan. 12, the hyperprolific blogger Marc Morano put them on his Climate Depot site, and within hours, the post went viral. In a former life, Mr. Morano was chief global-warming researcher for Sen. James M. Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican.
….
Freedom of Choice and Democracy sure gets in the way of a Dictatorship.
@JimD “it is useful to base one on positive or negative feedback or lack thereof”. You still misunderstand Ho. Its “usefulness” is not the issue. It can be no more or less “useful” than the hypothesis to which it is the alternative, and the experiment which tests one ineluctably tests the other. They are experimentally inseparable. If your alternative hypothesis is based on “positive or negative feedback or lack thereof”, then its null must, too, be based on “positive or negative feedback or lack thereof”, since the null is a direct outcome, with no intermediary logical stages, of its alternative. And if you have or know of a “useful” experiment based on “positive or negative feedback or lack thereof” that you don’t feel has been properly considered, please tell us about it. Just please stop talking about the null hypothesis as being some kind of logical construct, existing independently of its alternative, that you can pick, choose, or even really argue about.
Until you get the idea that there is no single null hypothesis that we can argue about, but that each and every hypothetical component of a theory is attended like a ghostly twin – by its null hypothesis, you will keep misleading yourself and others.
TomFP, see if I understand. To test whether there is a positive feedback to a forcing, the null would be that there is no positive feedback.
To falsify the null you would need to show that the feedback was greater than the forcing, beyond statistical doubt.
Adding to mine above.
…for example, for doubling CO2 the no-feedback response is about 1 C, so if more than 1 C can be attributed as feedback, it falsifies the null.
Note that if global warming is caused by our output of carbon dioxide you would expect the trapping of heat and the subsequent rising of minimum temps. at a rate as fast as- or even faster than – the rise in maximum- and mean temperatures. And this is exactly that which is not happening….
at least not on the three sites: Pretoria, Spain and Northern Ireland that I have looked at so far.
here in Pretoria I found exactly the opposite: minimum temperatures have been declining at a constant rate of about 0.03 or 0.04 degrees C per annum.
That is quite a lot.
e.g. see here
http://letterdash.com/HenryP/assessment-of-global-warming-and-global-warming-caused-by-greenhouse-forcings-in-pretoria-south-africa
In the meantime
I have had two kids, and when they were small they were quickly able to communicate if they wanted warmth, food or love
Now I have two dogs, and somehow they are also able to do exactly the same.
yesterday, the plants and trees in the garden talked to me.
They said they wanted more warmth and more food (carbon dioxide)
but now we have thousands and thousands of people against us who believe
– or who have been made to believe –
global warming and carbon dioxide is bad
Did you ever see forests grow there where it is cold?
do you all realize that we, sceptics, are the only real men standing up for the environment?
Thanks Willis, Anthony for leading us all and standing up for the idea that we do not deny but simply ask for exact scientific proof.
Blessings,
Henry
I bet most of these scientists where not taught right from wrong from 2 year old thats where the problem starts from
Sorry Dr. Miskolczi if your are following here, misspelled your name above.
@jim D
I hope my scientific betters will correct any errors here, but here’s how I see it:
“To test [the alternative hypothesis that] there is a positive feedback to a forcing, the null would be that there is no positive feedback.” Yes, so far, with my [addendum].
You would then design an experiment to test your alternative hypothesis, including in your description a declaration of the way you propose statistically to treat your data in testing your hypothesis.
If you get a result that satisfies those conditions you may reject your null and report your alternative. You have not, however, disproved your null, merely disconfirmed it.
If the conditions are not satisfied, you must report a null result. Again, you have not proved the null, nor have you disproved the alternative you set out to test. You have merely confirmed one and disconfirmed the other, according to the statistical rules you set yourself in designing the experiment. A better experiment might yet confirm your alternative hypothesis – a different experiment altogether may, I suppose, produce results which are categorically incompatible with one or other results. But so far as the experiment in hand is concerned, your alternatives are clear – either demonstrate, within the experimental rules you have declared, a positive result, or find the null.
And, partly because of the requirement of experimental repeatability, it doesn’t change, or get renewed, either, as most Believers seem to think. It sits there for all time, provisionally disconfirmed, until and unless somebody attempts to repeat your experiment and cannot. Nothing having to do with the state of “knowledge”, the “consensus” (B Verheggen, ibid), the citation count it earns you (M Tobis, ibid), or any of the other ways of ducking the null hypothesis so beloved of Believers can ever change it.
TomFP:
Your attempt to appear reasonable while misrepresenting the null hypothesis is a classic fail. It is at January 17, 2011 at 4:12 pm where you write:
“@richard Courtenay – you write
“That would be if and when there is a disproof of the null hypothesis of climate behaviour.”
I remain uncomfortable about the idea of “disproving” N0 – and worried that it impedes those trying to grasp the concept.
May I suggest “That would be if and when there sufficient evidence to reject the null hypothesis of climate behaviour.”? That is, proper understanding of N0 is that
a/ it arises, and is framed by, the alternative against which it is to be tested. The task of framing it is therefore inseparable from framing its alternative.
b/ uniquely among hypotheses, it has the axiomatic status of “confirmed” – testing it can only propel it in one direction – towards disconfirmation.
Or am I myself in error?”
YES! THAT IS AN ERROR (and the above discussion proves you know it is).
A disproof of the null hypothesis is observation of a climate event that is outside the range of past climate events.
Any unprecedented climate event of any kind would disprove it, but nothing else would.
Now be a good little troll: admit that your attempts to disrupt this thread have failed and go away.
Richard
Jim D:
Your post at January 17, 2011 at 7:28 pm demonstrates that you, HAS and TomFP are now operating in concert; The Three Trolls.
It says;
“HAS and TomFP,
OK, it was not right of me to seem to imply that if the IPCC null hypothesis is falsified, and therefore of no further use, there can only be one replacement. However, my suggestion stands that it is useful to base one on positive or negative feedback or lack thereof.”
The truth is this.
There is one null hypothesis. There is only one null hypothesis. There can be only one null hypothesis.
A pretence that the three of you are discussing which null hypothesis to choose is a fraud. It is like three con-artists arranging to be overheard discussing which bridge to sell when they own none of them.
The scientific method owns the null hypothesis. You have no right to it.
Richard
Jim D:
Thankyou for the laugh you gave me in your post at January 17, 2011 at 7:40 pm. It says this;
“As has been pointed out, given the interannual variance, a 15 year record can’t give any kind of trend to within about 0.1 C/decade, up, down or sideways, so I don’t trust anything based on such a short record, because the trend is still comparable with the error until you get to about 30 years.”
If the warming is too small to be detected then it has no real existence because it has no discernible effects: observation of its effect would be its detection.
There has been no discernible warming (statistical or otherwise) for the last 15 years. Period.
Richard