Unequivocal Equivocation – an open letter to Dr. Trenberth

This essay from Willis appeared on WUWT overnight Saturday while I slept. After reading it this morning, I decided to make it a sticky at the top of WUWT (I also added the open letter reference) because it says everything that needs to be said about the current state of affairs in climate science and the skeptic position. I ask readers not only to read it, but to disseminate it widely at other websites and forums. Hopefully, the right people will read this. Thanks for your consideration, and thank you, Willis.

UPDATE: I’ve made this essay available as a PDF here: Willis_Trenberth_WUWT_Essay suitable for printing and emailing. – Anthony

UPDATE2: Trenberth reacts: edits speech to fix copying, leaves “deniers”


Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I would like to take as my text the following quote from the recent paper (PDF, 270k also on web here) by Dr. Kevin Trenberth:

Given that global warming is “unequivocal”, to quote the 2007 IPCC report, the null hypothesis should now be reversed, thereby placing the burden of proof on showing that there is no human influence [on the climate].

Figure 1. The game of Monopoly’s “Community Chest” card that was randomly drawn by Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Some guys are just lucky, I guess.

The “null hypothesis” in science is the condition that would result if what you are trying to establish is not true. For example, if your hypothesis is that air pressure affects plant growth rates, the null hypothesis is that air pressure has no effect on plant growth rates. Once you have both hypotheses, then you can see which hypothesis is supported by the evidence.

In climate science, the AGW hypothesis states that human GHG emissions significantly affect the climate. As such, the null hypothesis is that human GHG emissions do not significantly affect the climate, that the climate variations are the result of natural processes. This null hypothesis is what Doctor T wants to reverse.

As Steve McIntyre has often commented, with these folks you really have to keep your eye on the pea under the walnut shell. These folks seem to have sub-specialties in the “three-card monte” sub-species of science. Did you notice when the pea went from under one walnut shell to another in Dr. T’s quotation above? Take another look at it.

The first part of Dr. T’s statement is true. There is general scientific agreement that the globe has been warming, in fits and starts of course, for the last three centuries or so. And since it has been thusly warming for centuries, the obvious null hypothesis would have to be that the half-degree of warming we experienced in the 20th century was a continuation of some long-term ongoing natural trend.

But that’s not what Dr. Trenberth is doing here. Keep your eye on the pea. He has smoothly segued from the IPCC saying “global warming is ‘unequivocal'”, which is true, and stitched that idea so cleverly onto another idea, ‘and thus humans affect the climate’, that you can’t even see the seam.

The pea is already under the other walnut shell. He is implying that the IPCC says that scientists have “unequivocally” shown that humans are the cause of weather ills, and if I don’t take that as an article of faith, it’s my job to prove that we are not the cause of floods in Brisbane.

Now, lest you think that the IPCC actually did mean that ‘humans are the cause’ when they said (in his words) that ‘global warming was “unequivocal”‘, here’s their full statement from the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report Summary For Policymakers (2007)  (PDF, 3.7 MB):

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea level (see Figure SPM-3).

Despite the vagueness of a lack of a timeframe, that is generally true, but it says nothing about humans being the cause. So he is totally misrepresenting the IPCC findings (which he helped write, remember, so it’s not a misunderstanding) to advance his argument. The IPCC said nothing like what he is implying.

Gotta love the style, though, simply proclaiming by imperial fiat that his side is the winner in one of the longest-running modern scientific debates. And his only proffered “evidence” for this claim? It is the unequivocal fact that Phil Jones and Michael Mann and Caspar Amman and Gene Wahl and the other good old boys of the IPCC all agree with him. That is to say, Dr. T’s justification for reversing the null hypothesis is that the IPCC report that Dr. T helped write agrees with Dr. T. That’s recursive enough to make Ouroboros weep in envy …

And the IPCC not only says it’s true, it’s “unequivocal”. Just plain truth wouldn’t be scientific enough for those guys, I guess. Instead, it is “unequivocal” truth. Here’s what “unequivocal” means (emphasis mine):

unequivocal: adjective:  admitting of no doubt or misunderstanding; having only one meaning or interpretation and leading to only one conclusion (“Unequivocal evidence”)

Notice how well crafted Dr. T’s sentence is. After bringing in “global warming”, he introduces the word “unequivocal”, meaning we can only draw one conclusion. Then in the second half of the sentence, he falsely attaches that “unequivocal” certainty of conclusion to his own curious conclusion, that the normal rules of science should be reversed for the benefit of … … well, not to put too fine a point on it, he’s claiming that normal scientific rules should be reversed for the benefit of Dr. Kevin Trenberth and the IPCC and those he supports. Probably just a coincidence, though.

For Dr. Trenberth to call for the usual null hypothesis (which is that what we observe in nature is, you know, natural) to be reversed, citing as his evidence the IPCC statement that the earth is actually warming, is nonsense. However, it is not meaningless nonsense. It is pernicious, insidious, and dangerous nonsense. He wants us to spend billions of dollars based on this level of thinking, and he has cleverly conflated two ideas to push his agenda.

I understand that Dr. T has a scientific hypothesis. This hypothesis, generally called the “AGW hypothesis”, is that if greenhouse gases (GHGs)  go up, the temperature must follow, and nothing else matters. The hypothesis is that the GHGs are the master thermostat for the globe, everything else just averages out in the long run, nothing could possibly affect the long-term climate but GHGs, nothing to see here, folks, move along. No other forcings, feedbacks, or hypotheses need apply. GHGs rule, OK?

Which is an interesting hypothesis, but it is woefully short of either theoretical or observational support. In part, of course, this is because the AGW hypothesis provides almost nothing in the way of a statement or a prediction which can be falsified. This difficulty in falsification of the hypothesis, while perhaps attractive to the proponents of the hypothesis, inevitably implies a corresponding difficulty in verification or support of the hypothesis.

In addition, a number of arguably cogent and certainly feasible scientific objections have been raised against various parts of the hypothesis, from the nature and sign of the forcings considered and unconsidered, to the existence of natural thermostatic mechanisms.

Finally, to that we have to add the general failure of what few predictions have come from the teraflops of model churning in support of the AGW hypothesis. We haven’t seen any acceleration in sea level rise. We haven’t seen any climate refugees. The climate model Pinatubo prediction was way off the mark. The number and power of hurricanes hasn’t increased as predicted. And you remember the coral atolls and Bangladesh that you and the IPCC warned us about, Dr. T, the ones that were going to get washed away by the oncoming Thermageddon? Bangladesh and the atoll islands are both getting bigger, not smaller. We were promised a warming of two, maybe even three tenths of a degree per decade this century if we didn’t mend our evil carbon-loving ways, and so far we haven’t mended one thing, and we have seen … well … zero tenths of a degree for the first decade.

So to date, the evidentiary scorecard looks real bad for the AGW hypothesis. Might change tomorrow, I’m not saying the game’s over, that’s AGW nonsense that I’ll leave to Dr. T. I’m just saying that after a quarter century of having unlimited funding and teraflops of computer horsepower and hundreds of thousands of hours of grad students’ and scientists’ time and the full-throated support of the media and university departments dedicated to establishing the hypothesis, AGW supporters have not yet come up with much observational evidence to show for the time and money invested. Which should give you a clue as to why Dr. T is focused on the rules of the game. As the hoary lawyer’s axiom has it, if you can’t argue facts argue the law [the rules of the game], and if you can’t argue the law pound the table and loudly proclaim your innocence …

So now, taking both tacks at once in his paper, Dr. T. is both re-asserting his innocence and proposing that we re-write the rules of the whole game … I find myself cracking up laughing over my keyboard at the raw nerve of the man. If he and his ideas weren’t so dangerous, it would be truly funny.

Look, I’m sorry to be the one to break the bad news to you, Dr. T, but you can’t change the rules of scientific inquiry this late in the game. Here are the 2011 rules, which curiously are just like the 1811 rules.

First, you have to show that some aspect of the climate is historically anomalous or unusual. As far as I know, no one has done that, including you. So the game is in serious danger before it is even begun. If you can’t show me where the climate has gone off its natural rails, if you can’t point to where the climate is acting unusually or anomalously, then what good are your explanations as to why it supposedly went off the rails at some mystery location you can’t identify?

(And of course, this is exactly what Dr. T would gain by changing the rules, and may relate to his desire to change them. With so few examples to give to support his position, after a quarter century of searching for such evidence, it would certainly be tempting to try to change the rules … but I digress.)

But perhaps, Dr. T., perhaps you have found some such climate anomaly which cannot be explained as natural variation and you just haven’t made it public yet.

If you have evidence that the climate is acting anomalously, then Second, you have to show that the anomaly can be explained by human actions. And no, Dr. T., you can’t just wave your hands and say something like “Willis, the IPCC sez you have to prove that what generations of people called ‘natural’, actually is natural”. There’s an arcane technical scientific name for that, too. It’s called “cheating”, Dr. T., and is frowned on in the better circles of scientific inquiry …

(N.B. – pulling variables out of a tuned computer model and then proudly announcing that the model doesn’t work without the missing variables doesn’t mean you have established that humans affect the climate. It simply means that you tuned your computer model to reproduce the historical record using all the variables, and as an inevitable result, when using only part of those variables your model doesn’t do as well at reproducing the historical record. No points for that claim.)

Third, you have to defend your work, and not just from the softball questions of your specially selected peer reviewers who “know what to say” to get you published in scientific journals. In 2011, curiously, we’ve gone back to the customs of the 1800s, the public marketplace of ideas — except this time it’s an electronic marketplace of ideas, rather than people speaking from the dais and in the halls of the Royal Society in London. If you won’t stand up and publicly defend your work, it’s simple – you won’t be believed. And not just by me. Other scientists are watching, and considering, and evaluating.

This doesn’t mean you have to reply to every idiot with a half-baked objection and a tin-foil hat. It does mean that if you refuse to answer serious scientific questions, people will take note of that refusal. You must have noticed how such refusal to answer scientific questions totally destroyed the scientific credibility of the website RealClimate. Well, they’re your friends, so perhaps you didn’t notice, but if not, you should notice, here’s an example. (PDF, 147K) Running from serious scientific questions, as they make a practice of doing at RealClimate, makes you look weak whether you are or not.

And Always, you have to show your work. You have to archive your data. You have to reveal your computer algorithms. You have to expose everything that supports and sustains your claims to the brutal light of public inquiry, warts and all.

Dr. T., I fear you’ll have to get used to the sea change, this is not your father’s climate science. The bottom line is we’re no longer willing to trust you. You could publish in the Akashic Records and I wouldn’t believe what you said until I checked the figures myself. I’m sorry to say it, but by the actions of you and your colleagues, you have forfeited the public’s trust. You blew your credibility, Dr. T, and you have not yet rebuilt it.

And further actions like your current attempt to re-write the rules of science aren’t helping at all. Nor is trying to convince us that you look good with a coat of the finest English whitewash from the “investigations” into Climategate. Didn’t you guys notice the lesson of Watergate, that the coverup is more damaging than the original malfeasance?

Dr. T, you had a good run, you were feted and honored, but the day of reckoning up the cost has come and gone. Like some book said, you and the other un-indicted co-conspirators have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting. At this point, you have two choices — accept it and move on, or bitch about it. I strongly advise the former, but so far all I see is the latter.

You want to regain the trust of the public, for yourself and for climate science? It won’t be easy, but it can be done. Here’s my shortlist of recommendations for you and other mainstream climate scientists:

•  Stop trying to sell the idea that the science is settled. Climate science is a new science, we don’t even have agreement on whether clouds warm or cool the planet, we don’t know if there are thermostatic interactions that tend to maintain some temperature in preference to others. Or as you wrote to Tom Wigley, Dr. T,

How come you do not agree with a statement that says we are no where close to knowing where energy is going or whether clouds are changing to make the planet brighter.  We are not close to balancing the energy budget.  The fact that we can not account for what is happening in the climate system makes any consideration of geoengineering quite hopeless as we will never be able to tell if it is successful or not!  It is a travesty!

SOURCE: email 1255550975

Curious. You state strongly to your friend that we’re not close to knowing where the energy is going or to balancing the energy budget, yet you say in public that we know enough to take the most extraordinary step of reversing the null hypothesis … how does that work again?

At this point, there’s not much about climate science that is “unequivocal” except that the climate is always changing.

•  Don’t try to change the rules of the game in mid-stream. It makes you look desperate, whether you are or not.

•  Stop calling people “deniers”, my goodness, after multiple requests that’s just common courtesy and decency, where are your manners? It makes you look surly and uncivilized, whether you are or not.

•  Stop avoiding public discussion and debate of your work. You are asking us to spend billions of dollars based on your conclusions. If you won’t bother to defend those conclusions, don’t bother us with them. Refusing to publicly defend your billion dollar claims make it look like you can’t defend them, whether you can or not.

•  Stop secretly moving the pea under the walnut shells. You obviously think we are blind, you also clearly believe we wouldn’t remember that you said we have a poor understanding of the climate system. Disabuse yourself of the idea that you are dealing with fools or idiots, and do it immediately. As I have found to my cost, exposing my scientific claims to the cruel basilisk gaze of the internet is like playing chess with Deep Blue … individual processors have different abilities, but overall any faults in my ideas will certainly be exposed. Too many people looking at my ideas from too many sides for much to slip through. Trying anything but absolute honesty on the collective memory and wisdom of the internet makes you look like both a fool and con man, whether you are one or not.

•  Write scientific papers that don’t center around words like “possibly” or “conceivably” or “might”. Yes, possibly all of the water molecules in my glass of water might be heading upwards at the same instant, and I could conceivably win the Mega-Ball lottery, and I might still play third base for the New York Yankees, but that is idle speculation that has no place in scientific inquiry. Give us facts, give us uncertainties, but spare us the stuff like “This raises the possibility that by 2050, this could lead to the total dissolution of all inter-atomic bonds …”. Yeah, I suppose it could. So what, should I buy a lottery ticket?

Stop lauding the pathetic purveyors of failed prophecies. Perhaps you climate guys haven’t noticed, but Paul Ehrlich was not a visionary genius. He was a failure whose only exceptional talent is the making of apocalyptic forecasts that didn’t come true. In any business he would not have lasted one minute past the cratering collapse of his first ridiculous forecast of widespread food riots and worldwide deaths from global famine in the 1980s … but in academia, despite repeating his initial “We’re all gonna crash and burn, end of the world coming up soon, you betcha” prognostication method several more times with no corresponding crashing burning or ending, he’s still a professor at Stanford. Now that’s understandable under tenure rules, you can’t fire him for being a serially unsuccessful doomcaster. But he also appears to be one of your senior AGW thinkers and public representatives, which is totally incomprehensible to me.

His string of predicted global catastrophes that never came anywhere near true was only matched by the inimitable collapses of the prophecies of his wife Anne, and of his cohorts John Holdren and the late Stephen Schneider. I fear we’ll never see their like again, a fearsome foursome who between them never made one single prediction that actually came to pass. Stop using them as your spokesmodels, it doesn’t increase confidence in your claims.

•  Enough with the scary scenarios, already. You’ve done the Chicken Little thing to death, give it a rest, it is sooo last century. It makes you look both out-of-date and hysterical whether you are or not.

•  Speak out against scientific malfeasance whenever and wherever you see it. This is critical to the restoration of trust. I’m sick of watching climate scientists doing backflips to avoid saying to Lonnie Thompson “Hey, idiot, archive all of your data, you’re ruining all of our reputations!”. The overwhelming silence of mainstream AGW scientists on these matters is one of the (unfortunately numerous) reasons that the public doesn’t trust climate scientists, and justifiably so. You absolutely must clean up your own house to restore public trust, no one else can do it. Speak up. We can’t hear you.

•  Stop re-asserting the innocence of you and your friends. It makes you all look guilty, whether you are or not … and since the CRU emails unequivocally favor the “guilty” possibility, it makes you look unapologetic as well as guilty. Whether you are or not.

•  STOP HIDING THINGS!!! Give your most private data and your most top-secret computer codes directly to your worst enemies and see if they can poke holes in your ideas. If they can’t, then you’re home free. That is true science, not hiding your data and gaming the IPCC rules to your advantage.

•  Admit the true uncertainties. The mis-treatment of uncertainty in the IPCC reports, and the underestimation of true uncertainty in climate science in general, is a scandal.

•  Scrap the IPCC. It has run its race. Do you truly think that whatever comes out of the next IPCC report will make the slightest difference to the debate? You’ve had four IPCC reports in a row, each one more alarmist than the previous one. You’ve had every environmental organization shilling for you. You’ve had billions of dollars in support, Al Gore alone spent $300 million on advertising and advocacy. You’ve had 25 years to make your case, with huge resources and supercomputers and entire governments on your side, and you are still losing the public debate … after all of that, do you really think another IPCC report will change anything?

If it is another politically driven error-fest like the last one, I don’t think so. And what are the odds of it being an honest assessment of the science? Either way the next IPCC report won’t settle a single discussion, even if it is honest science. Again, Dr. T, you have only yourself and your friends to blame. You used the IPCC to flog bad science like the Hokeyschtick, your friends abused the IPCC to sneak in papers y’all favored and keep out papers you didn’t like, you didn’t check your references so stupid errors were proclaimed as gospel truth, it’s all a matter of record.

Do you truly think that after Climategate, and after the revelations of things like IPCC citations of WWF propaganda pieces as if they were solid science, and after Pachauri’s ludicrous claim that it was “voodoo science” to point out the Himalayan glacier errors, after all that do you think anyone with half a brain still believes the IPCC is some neutral arbiter of climate science whose ex-cathedra pronouncements can be relied upon?

Because if you do think people still believe that, you really should get out more. At this point people don’t trust the IPCC any more than they trust you and your friends. Another IPCC report will be roundly ignored by one side, and cited as inerrant gospel by the other side. How will that help anyone? Forget about the IPCC, it is a meaningless distraction, and get back to the science.

That’s my free advice, Dr. T., and I’m sure it’s worth every penny you paid for it. Look, I don’t think you’re a bad guy. Sadly for you, but fortunately for us, you got caught hanging out with the bad boys who had their hands in the cookie jar. And tragically for everyone, all of you were seduced by “noble cause corruption”. Hey, it’s nothing to be ashamed of, it’s happened to me too, you’re not the first guy to think that the nobility of your cause justified improper actions.

But as far as subsequently proclaiming your innocence and saying that you and your friends did nothing wrong? Sorry, Dr. T, the jury has already come in on that one, and they weren’t distracted by either the nobility of your cause, nor by the unequivocal fact that you and your friends were whitewashed as pure as the driven snow in the investigation done by your other friends … instead, they noted your emails saying things like:

In that regard I don’t think you can ignore it all, as Mike [Mann] suggests as one option, but the response should try to somehow label these guys a[s] lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database.

Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved.  So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric.  Labeling them as lazy with nothing better to do seems like a good thing to do.

SOURCE: email 1177158252

Yeah, that’s the ticket, that’s how a real scientist defends his scientific claims …

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Douglas
January 17, 2011 10:37 am

Buzz Belleville says: January 17, 2011 at 8:56 am
Don’t worry Mr. Eschenbach, I don’t want to engage you personally any further either.
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Buzz. Well that’s a relief to us all. But then you whine on ad infinitum (1820 words) of what amounts to a justification of your own pontifications a ‘riveting’ biography of your life and achievements, lack of scientific training but a 90-95% grasp (love that) married to a scientist – (I guess that makes a huge difference).
In short Buzz this last diatribe you have inflicted upon us is the whining of a kid that has been thoroughly exposed as a pratt but can’t walk away. You are a tiger for punishment – I’ll give you that. I just hope that your students haven’t seen this – you could never live it down. But then again——-someone like you wouldn’t notice the sniggers behind their hands.
My advice to you is to quit now.
Douglas

Theo Goodwin
January 17, 2011 10:40 am

davidmhoffer says:
January 17, 2011 at 10:15 am
Yep, right on the money. The internals of the models are all over the place. You cannot take one from model A and a counterpart from model B and compare them. When models are averaged, all one is doing is averaging the ordered pairs (n-tuples) that each model specifies.

glacierman
January 17, 2011 10:49 am

This flipping of the null hypothesis is clearly a strategy born out of PR research that must have been done as part of their getting their message out more effictively campaign. The idea of the null hypothesis must have been determined to be a big problem for them. They will work really hard to flip this, and with their friends in the MSM they know they have a shot at making it stick, at least with some uninformed. Also, it will become a talking point for them in their press releases. This is not a coincidence.

Theo Goodwin
January 17, 2011 10:51 am

I am all for tolerance. But the tolerance for Buzz shown on this forum has turned it into a forum on Buzz. I defer to Anthony’s higher wisdom. After all, he created and sustains this wonderful site. My lesser wisdom tells me that Buzz is an incredibly effective troll.
[moderator comment deleted. ~ctm]

Buzz Belleville
January 17, 2011 10:55 am

I don’t necessarily disagree with you JAE, that is a fundamental challenge for AGW proponents. However, I do think you underestimate the paleoclimatic advances that have been made in recent decades. There are explanations for many past severe warmings and coolings, from natural CO2 and CH4 release accompanying continental drift, to prolonged solar minimums and maximums, to massive volcanoes (on land and under sea), to ENSO/NAO feedbacks, to plantetary gravitational pull. And with each of these explanations there is an attempt (sometimes more accurate than others) to quantify the radiative forcing, which allows us to better understand the effect of feedbacks. And what the AGW proponent would say is that those forcings that scientists have been able to identify for past climatic shifts are not present currently. So there must be some other explanation for the global warming we’re seeing now. While that alone doesn’t “prove” CO2 is THE cause, rising CO2 levels as a cause is wholly consistent with what we know. This is where deductive meets inductive reasoning. Where you seem to be heading is that, since the major conclusion of AGW theory cannot be proven in a laboratory, we should never take any action to combat it. I disagree with that sentiment.

JPeden
January 17, 2011 10:56 am

Buzz:
I do understand logic and the scientific method, at least so far as most lay people do.
That must not be saying very much, Buzz, since you don’t appear to know, for example, that the CRU’s/Jones’ refusal to honor the FOIA requests was essentially the same thing as their refusal to adhere to the Scientific Method and its principles much earlier by releasing/publishing their “materials and methods”, so that the very procedures comprising their “science” could be reviewed – yes, necessarily including very sceptically, and by anyone who wanted to – as an integral component of the Scientific Method; a feature whose necessity has only been proven over and over by the sceptics/real scientists and statistics “auditors” when they have finally managed to get the “materials and methods” – or what little there was of them – from the people, “Climate Scientists”, who you seem to think are doing real, scientific method and principle, science when they most obviously are not!
Buzz, as I tried to tell you before, you have it backwards: Climate Science needs to start doing real science, certainly by including the Scientific Method’s and principles’ built in scepticism in what it does. Otherwise the only/best interpretation of what it does remains that ipcc Climate Science is nothing but a gigantic Propaganda Operation!

APACHEWHOKNOWS
January 17, 2011 11:04 am

sarcastic
Earth,
“Yo, bring unto me all your clouds for I have commandments for each of them.”
Statacally Indetermatley yours,
IPCC

Richard S Courtney
January 17, 2011 11:07 am

Jim D:
Re your comment to me at January 17, 2011 at 10:28 am.
To be clear, you did not “touch a nerve”. My post at January 17, 2011 at 10:26 am was sincere.
Unfortunately, you seem to have misunderstood my congratulations on your perfect troll comment, and your reply at January 17, 2011 at 10:26 am reverts to your previous sub-standard trolling attempts. Anybody can be lucky and get it right once, I suppose.
Richard

glacierman
January 17, 2011 11:10 am

Buzz says:
“However, I do think you underestimate the paleoclimatic advances that have been made in recent decades. ”
Yea, they created a model that selectively picks hockey stick shaped graphs, then weights them over all others. Then everyone jumps on the band (funding) wagon and forgets years of published studies showing that (gasp) the climate varied in the past.

Buzz Belleville
January 17, 2011 11:48 am

Mr. Causey, 10:21 — Thanks for your thoughtful response.
(1) The overwhelming majority of reconstructions show we have surpassed the high point of the MWP. Here’s the link to a compilation of 92 of them since 2000 (many are regional): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/recons.html. Almost all show that we’ve surpassed the MWP by somewhere between 0.1-0.8 degrees. Even for Loehle (at least the reconstruction of his I’m familiar with), if you extend out his graph past its 1940 endpoint and add the o.6-0.7 degrees we’ve warmed since then, it would be warmer than the MWP high.
(2) Agreed that tens of millions of years ago, there was more CO2. Obviously, humans weren’t there, and we have no idea if that planet could have supported human life. It was obviously much warmer, despite the widely held belief that the sun was weaker then. Does help us understand the relative strength of their radiative forcings.
(4) I hear you, but I disagree. You’ve set up a hurdle that the AGW proponents can never reach (or won’t be able to without decades or even centuries more direct observation) >> that there is no other plausible explanation for recent warming. At some point, the AGW proponents at least need something to shoot at. The reason I respect Lindzen and Spencer is that they are at least willing to enter the scientific fray and propose theories to explain the recent warming (or reasons why the warming won’t continue). In other words, they challenge the AGW hypothesis with theories supported by plausible analysis and observation. I honestly have a hard time finding a credible alternative (natural) explanation within the scientific literature. I went for months this past summer (prompted by a second reading of Spencer’s second book) trying to understand the oceanic and atmospheric cycles and their forcing effect. There’s no doubt strong correlation between the cycles and temp trends. But, long term, these cycles zero out while the temps keep going up. So I think they fail. I won’t reiterate my previous post of other natural forcings that have been ruled out. And maybe the “burden of proof” isn’t a good way to consider this. AGW proponents have advanced a theory that is consistent with observations and known physical facts (not talking about feedbacks yet). What happens now is that theory is attacked and challenged … the way to do that is to propose alternative explanations for recent warmings. Maybe, as someone else says, the ultimate burden of proof on this point never shifts, but we’re at least at the point where the sleptics bear a burden of coming forward with some other explanation.
As to your other point re: this premise >> I understand that there is much consternation of funding sources and research directives (on both sides of the debate … govt funding vs Big Oil, Big Coal funding). But it seems to me that if there was a plausible theory that the sun could be causing the recent warming, govt funding for such research would flow. And it further seems that scientists would be dying to prove such a theory, as it would result in immortal fame and probably a Nobel prize.
(5) On the feedback issue, I was not stating a fact, I was stating what the AGW theory considers to be a premise (that the feedback effect will be a net positive). I also did not assert that the “fear” of melting permafrost was a ‘fact’ (though there are recent studies suggesting that is becoming a reality). I thought I was clear in agreeing with your assertion that cloud feedbacks are the greatest unknown (though there is also a recent study (Dessler) suggesting that the net feedback effect of clouds will be positive. I also readily acknowledge that there is some conflicting observational data re the behavior of water vapor, both as to the point you indicated and as to an unexpected drop in the amount of water vapor found in the area where the troposphere meets the stratosphere. However, I have not seen anyone challenge the principle of relative humidity yet, and there are direct measurements in the lower troposphere globally to support the proposition. No one has disproven or even seriously challenged the principle that water vapor is (and will continue to be) a positive feedback.
(6) I must disagree. Extreme weather events are becoming more severe and more common. And we actually have seen an increase in hurricane activity. Even this past year was extremely active in the Atlantic, though we were lucky that few made landfall. Munich Re, one of the world’s leading reinsurers, has perhaps the planet’s best compilation of extreme weather events and it has concluded that 2010 was teh second most active (behind only 2007) and that the trend is strongly supportive of climate change. http://www.munichre.com/en/media_relations/press_releases/2010/2010_09_27_press_release.aspx; http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iL1VhIWN2XDKI3APilTxnv8oNU9Q?docId=CNG.c8806b0465005156c3ed4b83c649cb5d.3d1. What is persuasive to me about this is that Munich Re is simply looking out for its bottom line (it covers insurance companies who must pay out for catastrophic events) … it is not attempting to promote any scientific theory or advance any political ideology. While one may be able to find an event 100 years ago that compares to the current Brazilian floods or to China’s mudslides this past summer, at some point it all adds up. Pakistan, Australia, Russia … heat waves, record highs, floods, droughts, forest fires. As folks are wont to say, we can’t blame any single event on climate change. But as extreme events become more common over an extended period, there may be a problem there.
As to your comments about the ARGO readings, I’m not sure you have the most up-to-date info. Arguably, they haven’t accumulated enough data to depict long-term trends yet. To the extent they have, they confirm the warming ocean.
There was a 2008 article that made the claim that ocean temps as measured by the Argo network were not warming. That article has been superseded by several since, as errors in analyzing the Argo data have been corrected. Here’s the most recent paper on the topic, confirming “robust warming” of upper ocean levels based on Argo data and satellite sources. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7296/full/nature09043.html.
From Argo’s own web site — http://www.argo.ucsd.edu/global_change_analysis.html — “Over the past 50 years, the oceans have absorbed more than 80% of the total heat added to the air/sea/land/cyrosphere climate system (Levitus et al, 2005). As the dominant reservoir for heat, the oceans are critical for measuring the radiation imbalance of the planet and the surface layer of the oceans plays the role of thermostat and heat source/sink for the lower atmosphere.
Domingues et al (2008) and Levitus et al (2009) have recently estimated the multi-decadal upper ocean heat content using best-known corrections to systematic errors in the fall rate of expendable bathythermographs (Wijffels et al, 2008). FOR THE UPPER 700M, THE INCREASE IN HEAT CONTENT WAS 16 x 10(22) J SINCE 1961. This is consistent with the comparison by Roemmich and Gilson (2009) of Argo data with the global temperature time-series of Levitus et al (2005), finding a warming of the 0 – 2000 m ocean by 0.06°C since the (pre-XBT) early 1960’s.”
See also http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/indicators/.
For the corrections to the erroneous early analyses upon which you are likely relying, see http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/06/ocean-heat-content-revisions/. and http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/15/the-climate-science-project-global-warming-is-happening-ocean-heat-content/
The oceans are definitively getting warmer. One cannot explain (1) blanched coral reefs, (2) northward shifts of fish populations, (3) long-term sea level rise of 3 mm per year, and (4) melting sea ice and glaciers — all indisputable observations — without reference to higher temperatures.

CodeTech
January 17, 2011 11:50 am

It seems ironic to me that Buzz’s list of 6 (wrong) assertions immediately followed my post about assertions.

tonyb
Editor
January 17, 2011 12:06 pm

Theo Goodwin said
“My lesser wisdom tells me that Buzz is an incredibly effective troll.”
Buzz knows something about the science and is prepared to debate it in a hostile environment such as this. We have others, such as R Gates and Joel Shore that also add to the debate by giving us a different perspective from the majority here.
I’m sure that few of us want to visit a site such as this if everyone sang from the same song sheet.
Tonyb

HAS
January 17, 2011 12:11 pm

TomFP says January 16, 2011 at 9:33 pm
”Would you agree with my growing belief that a large cohort of scientists simply misunderstand the null hypothesis, and that climate science is largely founded on persistent disregard of it?”
I think that quite a lot of science is essentially descriptive, so experimental methods are not central to it, and probably don’t get taught.
By way of example I had a quick skim through the 2010 papers where Dr T was lead authour (off the CGD web site) and they are largely descriptive and/or review articles. They do quote statistics like sd, trend, correlation etc but these are in the context of describing the data. Even there the limitations of those statistics caused by the data potentially not being well behaved gets little obvious treatment, and the data is manipulated without much apparent consideration of the growing inherent uncertainties.
Also the output of GCS is used in a descriptive way almost as if it was data, and with limited uncertainty attached. This mind set can be seen in one of Dr T’s papers (“More knowledge, less certainty” Nature Reports: Climate Change) which includes the following:
“Many of these models will attempt new and better representations of important climate processes and their feedbacks … . Including these elements will make the models into more realistic simulations of the climate system, but it will also introduce uncertainties.”
To perhaps labour the point, the uncertainty was there all along and if anything better modelling should be reducing this, so this suggests a very curious view of the world (a view that is reflected in the very title of the piece). (As an aside one can’t help wonder if we are being softened up for IPCC having to admit that earlier models grossly understated the uncertainty.)
On the issue of experimental methods I did a perhaps unfair run through Dr T’s 2010 work looking for the world “hypothesis”. In the 8 papers it occurs once, and then in a non-technical sense. So as I said, this is work is largely descriptive.

tonyb
Editor
January 17, 2011 12:11 pm

Buzz said;
“The oceans are definitively getting warmer. One cannot explain (1) blanched coral reefs, (2) northward shifts of fish populations, (3) long-term sea level rise of 3 mm per year, and (4) melting sea ice and glaciers — all indisputable observations — without reference to higher temperatures.”
So if we were to illustrate that all the above are not true, or have historic precedents, you would reconsider your position?
tonyb

glacierman
January 17, 2011 12:11 pm

Buzz says:
“The oceans are definitively getting warmer. One cannot explain (1) blanched coral reefs, (2) northward shifts of fish populations, (3) long-term sea level rise of 3 mm per year, and (4) melting sea ice and glaciers — all indisputable observations — without reference to higher temperatures.”
So you found Trenberth’s missing heat. You might want to let him know where it was hiding.

Buzz Belleville
January 17, 2011 12:24 pm

@tonyb 12:11 — Of course. If these natural phenomena can be explained without higher ocean temps, I’d absolutely reconsider. But these natural phenomena are just echoing the instrumental data from ARGO and the satellites, so you’d also have to explain away these instrumental readings as well.

January 17, 2011 12:28 pm

ARGO heat content is declining, even as CO2 rises.
ARGO models vs reality.
Ocean heat content after revision.
Ocean temps have been in a long downtrend for far longer than the past century.

Buzz Belleville
January 17, 2011 12:33 pm

Mr. Smokey — See my previous explanation of corrections to the ARGO analysis. I’m not sure where you got this graph, but if it’s from the 2008 article (as appears), it’s been superseded.

glacierman
January 17, 2011 12:35 pm

As to Buzz’s false premise about the ocean temps rising – see:
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?FileName=IJG20100300001_98861471.pdf&paperID=3446

Buzz Belleville
January 17, 2011 12:37 pm

Mr. Smokey — See my previous explanation of corrections to the ARGO analysis. I’m not sure where you got this graph, but if it’s from the 2008 article (as appears), it’s been superseded. If the data has been corrected again, as your third link suggests, I’d be interested in seeing that. What is the source? I haven’t dove into ARGO for several months.

glacierman
January 17, 2011 12:44 pm

As to Buzz’s assertion about sea level rise, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png
Clearly catastophic, mann-made rises caused by SUVs.

tonyb
Editor
January 17, 2011 12:53 pm

Buzz
Are you aware as to how historic Sea surface temperatures were gathered-comparing modern (declining) Argo temperatures to them is like comparing apples and oranges.
Tonyb

H.R.
January 17, 2011 1:02 pm

Buzz Belleville says:
January 17, 2011 at 8:56 am
<i."[…]
And the changes in the natural world (ice melt and shifting ag zones and forests, for example) are consistent with the instruments. Most reconstructions show that we have surpassed the highpoint of the MWP, though I know there are still a couple reconstructions (Loehle) floating around the Internet which suggest otherwise. […]"
I suppose that I’ll be inclined to believe that temperatures are warmer than during the MWP when farmers return to Greenland. Until then… nahhhh.

Vince Causey
January 17, 2011 1:10 pm

Buzz,
Thanks for your long reply.
On the recent warming versus MWP, you linked to the NOAA site, and there I found the list of citations you mentioned. The problem is, they are all by the same people – Jones, Mann; Jones, Briffa; Mann, Briffa, Jones; Briffa, Jones, Mann.
Buzz, you seem to be unaware of the vast mountain of work that attests to a warmer MWP – literally hundreds of papers from scientists on every continent. See below:
http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/mwpp.php
Your point (4) is interesting. You state that the cycles average to zero but the temps ‘keep going up.’ But this is only true if you look at one particular time frame – the last 100 years or so – and superimpose the cycles of PDO, AMO and Enso. You see each peak of each cycle higher than the previous. But taking a 10,000 year time span and what we see are approximately 900 year cycles with peaks at the ‘holocene optimum’, minoan, roman, medieval and modern warm periods. And each 900 year peak is less high than the previous – in other words a down trend. The fact that we are on the upside of the modern warm period tells us nothing about the cause. AMO and PDO cycles are irrelevant, as are sunspots. Your argument only applies if the historical climate has been flat – as if none of these warm periods ever existed. As soon as you admit to them, then the null hypothesis remains intact.
You say “However, I have not seen anyone challenge the principle of relative humidity yet.” It is not the principle of relative humidity that is the problem – it is the naive application of it. Obviously if you warm a glass jar containing water, higher humidity will result which will lead to a greate GHG effect. As others have pointed out, the Earth is not like a glass jar. First off, you get convection, evaporation, sensible heat is carried to the tropopause, latent heat of condensation, radiation into space, convection cells driving winds which enhance evaporation leading to more sensible heat carried aloft. Clouds form which increase albedo. That’s why you can’t apply simple physical equations to the climate.
On point (6), the extreme weather events, I know you disagree. You say these are becoming more frequent. But is it not the case that we now live in a global economy with wall to wall new coverage? Why, in 1908 the world didn’t even know when a comet struck Tunguska until later. Floods and droughts have occured with equal frequency in the past, they have just not been reported on. BTW, insurance companies have a horse in this particular race – they have been trying to extract higher premiums based on predicted climate events, and they will do all they can to fan the flames of climate alarmism. What was the name of that insurance company that sponsored last years arctic expedition – Caitlin, wasn’t it? What’s their angle in this?
That levitus paper (2006) was based on data up to 2005, and the other papers are averaging ocean warming since 1961. I agree that over this time period there has been warming. However, when I was talking of a lack of ocean heat accumulation, I was referring to a period from 2004 to 2010. Roger Pielke Sr has written about this as recently as last year, and he is a scientist I have a great respect for. Out of all the Argo studies, only the study by Schuckman showed any warming – the others show a slight cooling. The fact that there is missing heat is not contested by even Hansen, but is explained away as our inability to accurately monitor the oceans.
Finally, to help correct my erroneous understandings, you kindly direct me to the warmist propaganda site, Realclimate. Thanks, but no thanks. These guys have absolutely no credibility in my eyes. Yes the oceans were getting warmer until about 2004 and were rising at 3mm per year, but not now. Of course, it is much too short a time span to draw conclusions – we must wait and see.

izen
January 17, 2011 1:15 pm

@- Smokey says:
January 17, 2011 at 12:28 pm
“…Ocean temps have been in a -long uptrend-LINK- for far longer than the past century.”
I think you may have posted the wrong graph with your link.
It shows the long term fall in global temperatures derived from O18 isotope data over the last ONE HUNDRED MILLION years. The present is at the left, and the past at the right. In the middle near the 50Myr mark you can see the upward spike of the PETM when CO2 (probably from a methane release) pushed temps back up for a couple of million years. The low end at the far left is the start of the ice-age cycle a few million years ago. It is an interesting perspective on DEEP time, not sure it conveys the message you intended about ocean temp trends…

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