Gore and Nazis

Gore / Nazis – two words I thought I’d never see together, and never wanted to. Yet here it is in a story in the Times Online. Surprisingly, Hollywood has been exploiting this linkage for years. I suppose the appearance of a proof of Godwins Law was inevitable, given how long the global warming discussion and Gore have gone on.

Does anyone else besides me get the impression that Al Gore is really reaching now? At the end of this post, Mr. Gore listed only two possible future questions, I’m sure our readers can fill in some of the missing ones. – Anthony

Addendum: I wonder, did Gore get paid for this speaking engagement “sponsored by The Times” and if so, is The Times responsible for creating this “news” where there would be none otherwise?  – Anthony

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE:

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The Times : before and after – click for larger images – thanks to Kate for the 3rd one

Apparently reacting to criticism, The Times has changed the title of the article to remove the word Nazi, and the title takes an entirely different meaning. See the before and after screencaps above. (thanks to Bishop Hill) There is no mention of why. But they forgot to change the base HTML which still has the original title.Times_Gore-Nazi-html-source

At right  is The Times story headline now and the HTML source of the page showing the original title intact. Click thumbnails.

Here below is my original link to the story, unchanged:

Al Gore likens fight against climate change to battle with Nazis

Al Gore at The Times World Forum On Enterprise & The Environment at Keble College, Oxford

by:  Ben Webster, Environment Editor and Robin Pagnamenta, Energy Editor

Al Gore today compared the battle against climate change with the struggle against the Nazis.The former US Vice President said the world lacked the political will to act and invoked the spirit of Winston Churchill by encouraging leaders to unite their nations to fight climate change.

He also accused politicians around the world of exploiting ignorance about the dangers of global warming to avoid difficult decisions.

Speaking in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by The Times, Mr Gore said: “Winston Churchill aroused this nation in heroic fashion to save civilisation in World War II.”

He added: “We have everything we need except political will but political will is a renewable resource.”

Mr Gore admitted that it was difficult to persuade the public that the threat from climate change was as urgent as the threat from Nazi Germany.

“The level of awareness and concern among populations has not crossed the threshold where political leaders feel that they must change.

“The only way politicians will act is if awareness raises to a level to make them feel that it’s a necessity.”

Mr Gore, who brought the issues around climate change to a mass audience with the 2006 documentary An Inconvenient Truth, said the great hope for the future lay in a high level of environmental awareness among young people.

He said sceptics who refused to believe dramatic cuts in carbon emissions could be delivered should consider the example of the young scientists in the NASA team which put a man on the moon on 1969.

“The average age of scientists in the space centre control room was 26, which means they were 18 when they heard President Kennedy say he wanted to put a man on the moon in 10 years. Neil Armstrong did it eight years and two months later.”

He said future generations would put one of two questions to today’s adults.

“It will either be ’what were you thinking, didn’t you see the North Pole melting before your eyes, didn’t you hear what the scientists were saying?’ Or they will ask ’how is it you were able to find the moral courage to solve the crisis which so many said couldn’t be solved?’.”

Read the rest of the article here at the Times

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I had to take the word “Nazi” out of our spam filter, since so many comments were getting caught by it.

I had never ever, wanted to have Nazism be a discussion on this blog, and had deleted such references in the past so as to not incite further. But when Gore makes it headline news, what choice do I have?

– Anthony

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WestHoustonGeo
July 7, 2009 7:38 pm

I will admit, I was stupid enough to vote for this guy to be president – more the fool I.
Now, he’s comparing me to the dregs of the holocaust because I don’t buy his line of malarkey.
The years force a little wisdom on you.
Al? Take a hike, huevon!

henrychance
July 7, 2009 7:39 pm

Algores friends need money.
T Boone Pickens orderd 667 windmills. GE (big juice) is pumped up. Boone gave a lot of $$$ to OSU and then his little portfolio sagged. Now he still has mega mesa dollars but GE won’t finance his windmills. Does GE really see wind farms as a bad investment?
Question for algore? what is up with tilting to the windmills and they tip over?
Algore: can you name and explain several billion dollars of wind energy deals that are coming unraveled or do you want me to name them?
I can allso name people and companies that unraveled in ethanol.
Do you want me to describe an alternative energy lending bubble and including carbon scamming, how big it will be before it bursts?
Energy lending will by definition have to be enterprises that are not sarbanes Oxley compliant.

Richard
July 7, 2009 7:43 pm

Say what you like about Bush, Gore would have been worse!

Reed Coray
July 7, 2009 7:48 pm

Like the “Hear No Evilil, See No Evil, Speak No Evil” monkeys, I suggest someone manufacture and market a trio of Al Gore statuettes with either the caption “Hear No Science, See No Science, Speak No Science”, or the caption “Arrogance, Stupidity, and More Stupidity”.

Reed Coray
July 7, 2009 7:52 pm

Sorry about the “Hear No Evilil” typo. I get so mad I can’t see straight.

G. Karst
July 7, 2009 7:59 pm

Where is Buzz Aldrin when you need him??!!

Ron de Haan
July 7, 2009 8:07 pm

Europe believes USA is not doing enough short term but fears a forced climate treaty if the USA and China make a mutual deal!
Ignorance without limits….
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/science/earth/08climate.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

AEGeneral
July 7, 2009 8:07 pm

John A (17:03:43) :
I’m sorry.

Don’t be. Even an overly-facetious & sarcastic character like me took a moment to pause after reading that. What Gore did just waters down the significance of a horrific historical event which should never be forgotten. And all in the name of politics, personal greed (my opinion), and science fiction (not my opinion), no less.

July 7, 2009 8:22 pm

Forests have been living under stress by low concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide during the last 2000 years (Science. 29 May 2009). Lowering the emissions of carbon dioxide, which until now have been a palliative against photosynthesis stress, will impact severely all biomes around the world (Science. 29 May 2009). If Al Gore likes cold and sterile sand… let him put himself ice in his “iss”. What does that … person… knows about the suffering of the Hebrew People? Al Gore must be processed for abusing on the Sho’ah horrors for attaining his personal goals.

DJA
July 7, 2009 8:27 pm

Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”
What will you be Mr Gore?

A. Goss
July 7, 2009 8:31 pm

Notice that, though they changed the name of the Article, they have failed to change the title of the web page to the new name.

July 7, 2009 8:35 pm

Did I get the impression that Al Gore implied anybody who doesn’t buy the global baloney nonsense is a Nazi?
This guy is really a stupwit.

Gary Pearse
July 7, 2009 8:37 pm

According to the Al Gore/AGWER propaganda, big oil is supposed to be on the side of the sceptics. Here is an invitation by Shell to join in a WebChat with their CO2 capture technologists. WUWT? I guess shell sees more profit in going for this baloney. Anyone care to join them in the chat?
http://www.shelldialogues.com/technologiesforco2?utm_source=display&utm_medium=extbanner&utm_term=creative1

July 7, 2009 8:41 pm

John A (17:03:43) :
Well said Sir.
When I first read of Gore and The Times likening the ‘fight against global warming’ to the war against the Nazis I was offended. My father fought in WW2 – he was 21 when the war started. He was in the 8th Army in North Africa fighting Rommel and then went through Sicily and Italy. He could speak German and he was involved after the war ended helping to translate some of what the survivors of the concentration camps went through.

Squidly
July 7, 2009 8:44 pm

Meanwhile, this all leads to things like “The agency is creating a unit of about 50 auditors and inspectors, complete with warrant cards and the power to search company premises to enforce the Carbon Reduction Commitment (CRC), which comes into effect next year.” … all the while, one U.S. State has exactly 7 Dam inspectors for more than 1,790 that are 50 years and older, most of which are way past their expected lifetimes and are coming close to critical state. Dam’s across the country will become a HUGE problem long before CO2 ever does. So, what are we doing about that? We are laying off even more inspectors and ignoring the problem.
Brilliant!

Squidly
July 7, 2009 8:49 pm

Richard (19:43:02) :
Say what you like about Bush, Gore would have been worse!

But instead, all we got was Obama … now, which is the worse of those evils?

Brian in Alaska
July 7, 2009 8:50 pm

Excellent! We’re being demonized by a so-called authority figure and government insider. Where there’s smoke, sometimes there’s also a mirror.
Thanks, Al, for removing any tiny, remaining vestiges of doubt.

AEGeneral
July 7, 2009 8:51 pm

Taphonomic (18:14:33) :
Why is his carbon footprint so large when he advocates others to reduce theirs?

My wife doesn’t understand why I get so riled up about all of this global warming thing, but she fully understands that question. She even got riled up about it.
I thought that was insightful because she doesn’t follow this stuff like many of us do.

Benjamin P.
July 7, 2009 9:30 pm

geo (10:33:07) :
An island of truth lost in a sea of crazy.

July 7, 2009 9:57 pm

Squidly (20:44:51) :
Meanwhile, this all leads to things like “The agency is creating a unit of about 50 auditors and inspectors, complete with warrant cards and the power to search company premises to enforce the Carbon Reduction Commitment (CRC), which comes into effect next year.” … all the while, one U.S. State has exactly 7 Dam inspectors for more than 1,790 that are 50 years and older, most of which are way past their expected lifetimes and are coming close to critical state. Dam’s across the country will become a HUGE problem long before CO2 ever does. So, what are we doing about that? We are laying off even more inspectors and ignoring the problem.
Brilliant!

It did already happen in 2005, engineers had been warning for New Orleans for decades, that a direct hit by a level 5 hurricane would boost water levels so much that the concrete walls and dikes would not be able to cope and that the city would flood.
Eventually the engineers got it almost right, but it only needed a level 3-4 hurricane with a glancing blow on the city.
In the meanwhile, mr. former VP Al Gore, where are those ever increasing numbers of hurricanes?

Chris
July 7, 2009 10:07 pm

Perhaps a new international unit of stupidity (greed, deception?) is called for: the Gore.

DanD
July 7, 2009 10:17 pm

JimK,
Although I should probably ignore you since you’re just an attack dog sent over from a ghost town of a website, Anthony Watts prompty responded to the NOAA’s rebuttal:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/24/ncdc-writes-ghost-talking-points-rebuttal-to-surfacestations-project/
Please show some respect to the folks who run this site. They don’t sic their readers on other sites, and you make your side look ridiculous when you use such blatent ad hominems.

crosspatch
July 7, 2009 10:20 pm

“Al Gore is positioning himself to be the global leader in the fight against climate change. ”
Which is about as futile as the “fight against the march of time”. Climate changes. Always has, always will.

gt
July 7, 2009 10:25 pm

Slightly OT, but there are only 4 comments on the original timesonline web page. All critical of Mr. Gore, as one would expect. Maybe they got so much negative comments that they have all been censored?

L
July 7, 2009 10:39 pm

tj: This is neither the time nor the venue for discussion of arcanae of the thirties but, the “Night of the Long Knives” was hardly the end of the NASDP. It was the moment when the leaders of the movement, having attained power through the thugishness of the brown shirts decided they were no longer useful and liquidated them. The party went on to achieve absolute power that the brown shirts had provided them, and attempted to leave behind the memory of what had gotten them into power. ACORN, watch your backs!
Now tj, if you have “progressive” friends and “conservative” friends that all want the same thing (conservatives being cheaper, of course), then I would suggest to you that you don’t have any conservative friends. Kumbaya, friend.

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