Gore / Nazis – two words I thought I’d never see together, and never wanted to. Yet here it is in a story in the Times Online. Surprisingly, Hollywood has been exploiting this linkage for years. I suppose the appearance of a proof of Godwins Law was inevitable, given how long the global warming discussion and Gore have gone on.
Does anyone else besides me get the impression that Al Gore is really reaching now? At the end of this post, Mr. Gore listed only two possible future questions, I’m sure our readers can fill in some of the missing ones. – Anthony
Addendum: I wonder, did Gore get paid for this speaking engagement “sponsored by The Times” and if so, is The Times responsible for creating this “news” where there would be none otherwise? – Anthony
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE:
The Times : before and after – click for larger images – thanks to Kate for the 3rd one
Apparently reacting to criticism, The Times has changed the title of the article to remove the word Nazi, and the title takes an entirely different meaning. See the before and after screencaps above. (thanks to Bishop Hill) There is no mention of why. But they forgot to change the base HTML which still has the original title.
At right is The Times story headline now and the HTML source of the page showing the original title intact. Click thumbnails.
Here below is my original link to the story, unchanged:
Al Gore likens fight against climate change to battle with Nazis
As too self absorbed I quote myself: “I think this also may lead to a serious society control issue.”
A study published by National Academy of Sciences suggests individual emission control.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N06427635.htm
Two arguments:
* Rich people emits more CO2. (Oh, no! That lethal CO2. And growth doesn’t make anything more efficient anymore, or how do they put it…)
* The population growth is different in different countries.
Why not abolish money to get rid of “these (wealthy) individuals”, these environment harming rich people, and only have government controlled individual consumption ration books in a wonderful brave new world?
Oh goodie! This means he loses, right?
I don’t know how many of you read the latest Matt Taibbi article (“The Great Bubble Machine”) in Rolling Stone but he mentions carbon trading as the next planned economic bubble after the housing/derivatives bubble. I wrote about it at my site (“The Formula”) but don’t want to be a blog-ho so no linky link.
I think the cap and trade Master Plan has FAIL stamped all over it but the Powers That Be are going to use the power of the State to ram it down our throats anyway. When cap-and-trade fails they will have one final plan, the one so crazy it might work: Their last-ditch hoaxed threat from outer space. Shall we start taking bets now? Will the next call to world government be attributed to the Magnetosphere Collapse, a Killer Comet, the 2012 Alignment, or Little Green Men?
Then, after all the media hoopla fails to get the plebes begging the UN for world government – excuse me “global governance” – The Powers will have nothing left. It will be over. Our economy will be in shambles and we might be eating our front lawns to survive, but at least we’ll have the Powers That Be off our backs. At least that’s my hope.
The AGW elites have openly abandoned the science by the looks of this. It is now pure politics.
If you had to draw comparisons…. It would be Gore who would be the Nazi.
Because I know Gore is a charlatan with financial motives behind his global warming claims, I’ve stopped reading news reports about him.
However, I’m commenting on this because I think it’s over the top to compare his dishonesty to Nazism.
That is what this is about isn’t it?
Thanks for the babble Algore. We have had in Paupau New Guinea several scams start selling 500 dollar memberships to farmers to be signed up to get carbon offset money. The sellers disappear and the money is wasted.
Like I posted last week and another above posted. carbon trading is the next bubble. Algore, let’s put money in this. You first.
I posted two comments on that Gore article on The Times’ website, both challenging the AGW mantra; neither got published. Over here in the UK it’s getting ridiculous, Guardian, Independent and the BBC are simply propaganda sheets for AGW, without any sense of balance or reason.
BTW Anthony, I’ve been following WUWT for a while now; its taught me more in a few months than any other AGW site. Great work and please do maintain impartialibilty. Cheers.
Gore is the Nazi. Does anybody think that this government cares even a little bit about the environment? It is about control. You must have some affluence to even care about the environment. Our governments Cap-n-Trade energy bill will make the climate worse because people are going to be taxed until the government owns every aspect of production is some form or the other. It is about serfdom where Al Gore, government, and huge corporations are exempt from paying full taxes. They are at the top and everyone else is on the bottom licking their boots. That is what it is about. Not the environment.
The Iceberg (05:35:34) :
If you care to follow this link to the original Timesonline story you will see that Mr Gore was reported to have used the word Nazi. The President of the Maldives also used the word at the same conference.
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6658672.ece?FORM=ZZNR4
BTW I am a UK liberal who enjoyed a great scientific education which taught me to be sceptical and to question bullshit. Please stop dismissing AGW sceptics as right-wing
What happened to the science on the “Best Science Blog”?
Certainly only one man’s opinion …
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Al’s a bit of a fluorescent bulb. Maybe he’s confusing Winston Churchill with Ward Churchill?
Unfortunately, Gore makes National Socialists look bad.
The Times didn’t just change the title, they completely rewrote the first paragraph materially changing the context.
AGW skeptics(flatlanders) should all buy homes (or trade homes) with those people living at sea level around the globe. Just think of it, lovely ocean front homes in exchange for Kansas farms! What a concept!
JimK – both reports were dealt with in detail last month .
I suspect the fallout from the Gore story has taken them aback at the Times. Their latest AGW story has the comments facility turned off!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6666576.ece
Unfortunately, Gore makes National Socialists look bad.
Stoic–
No, not even the original quotes Gore using “Nazi”. The only quote actually from Gore says “WWII” and that he was in the context of the need today for Churchillian leadership and courage.
Now, I don’t happen to agree with Mr. Gore. Or to the degree I do, I would like a few more leaders with Churchillian courage to say “No, you haven’t proved your case yet that the warming we’ve seen is caused primarily by C02 rather than having a large natural variation component, and you certainly haven’t proven the case on the degree of future warming dependant in your models on a large positive feedback mechanism”. But he is entitled to his view, as I am to mine, and I certainly don’t feel like there is any proof in either the original article or the revised that he called me a Nazi for mine.
Gore is not responsible for sensationalism by the Times reporter or the Times headline writer.
While K Rudd 747 is doing his share of reducing CO2 emissions as a result of flying, and taking a much needed winter trip to German and Italy etc, we’re all “freezing” here.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/merkel-warns-on-climatechange-progress-at-g8-20090708-ddgd.html
Wow, the AGW trolls are out in full force on this one. Do they have some sort of silent alarm that gets pushed anytime their Beloved One is getting what he deserves?
They’re like the zombies in “Night of the Living Dead”. Must-Protect-Master!
The second and more anodyne version of this report was in the Times itself today. I have of course written a letter to the editor.
But don’t hold your breath, they won’t publish it.
Kindest Regards
“ralph ellis (01:32:26) :
>>I urge all of you to jump to the top and listen to what
>>the Great Gazoo has to say.
And the prime buzzwords were ‘Global Governance’ and ‘Global Leadership’.
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Plus, car engines are not 10% efficient (perhaps in the US?). In Europe, a good diesel is 35% efficient. And, the idea that you can make a vehicle that does not have to carry the weight of its own engine is nuts.
Yes, the constant transfer of energy states is hugely wasteful. So why are Greenies proposing to make electricity from wind, change that electricity into chemical or potential energy, and then transfer it all back into electricity again?? Doesn’t make sense, does it, Mr Gore.
Perhaps, if we could liberate the energy of an atomic nucleus exactly when and where we needed that energy, this might solve all our problems. What’s that you say – we can already???”
While an ICE can be between 35%-45% efficient, I believe these figures only represent the efficiency of burning the refined fuel in the tank alone and do not factor in the energy consumed in extracting the raw fuel, transporting it, refining it, transporting it and using it etc. If we factor these in then an ICE is about 10% efficient, about that same as a steam engine.
Schedule the witch hunts. We are getting some utilities switched to radio transmitted meter readings on the electric meter. Then they can monitor you and knock on your door if you get a little too enthusiastic on lights and appliances. What will you do if they catch you heatting a large kettle of water for 1 cup of tea?
In the US Kansas University has installed generators on a few work out machines to generate juice when peddling the Stairmaster. Maybe you could attach a treadmill to the washing machine. Take punishment in stride.
http://www.cjonline.com/news/state/2009-07-06/ku_to_harness_sweat_power
LAWRENCE — Some college students have the drive of the Energizer Bunny, and the University of Kansas plans on tapping into them as a power source.
KU students returning to campus this fall will find the David A. Ambler Student Recreation Fitness Center has retrofitted 15 of its elliptical machines with devices that convert their pedaling into electricity that will help power the building.
The devices are made by ReRev.com, a subsidiary of Florida-based SunQuest Energy, which says a typical 30-minute workout produces 50 watts of clean energy, enough to power a laptop computer for an hour, a television for 15 minutes or a compact fluorescent light bulb for 2 ½ hours.
How about this. Sentence carbon abusers like algore to 45 minutes on the machine. Win/win economics. He would loose/loose weight and hostility.
geo (09:19:24) :
Well I wasn’t there. Were you? I don’t think he called you a Nazi. He compared his struggle to push his AGW dogma to fighting the Nazis in WW2. I presume the lads from the UK Daily Mail and the Scotsman were there as well as The Times reporter. This is what they reported:
Daily Mail
Mr Gore, who won the Nobel Peace Prize for the climate change film An Inconvenient Truth, said the greatest challenge would be to convince people that the threat from climate change was as urgent as the threat from Nazi Germany.
The Scotsman
CLIMATE change poses as great a threat to civilisation as the Nazis did during the Second World War, former US vice-president Al Gore said yesterday.
My own view is that his claim is absurd and that his own behaviour flying round the world to conferences, for example, is hypocritical and diminishes him if he really believes what he preaches.
Censorship at the Times
The Times story was listed among their four “Most Read” stories for the past day or so. Hence there must have been many comments on the story submitted. Some Times stories have hundreds of comments posted; yet this story one only has nine. Why?
DG (06:31:41) says that he submitted two comments, and neither was posted.
I submitted three comments, also none posted. My second comment was submitted several hours after the first (when it was clear that the first would not be posted), using a different name and internet address. Similarly for the third comment. All three comments were polite, and none referenced “Nazi”.
I have previously submitted many comments to The Times, about non-AGW topics. Almost all have been posted.
So this appears to be an active attempt to materially misrepresent what their readership thinks about AGW.