Is Yoko Ono smarter than a 4th grader?

Guest post by David Middleton

First up: Yoko Ono and friends…

‘Fracking kills’: Yoko Ono joins star-studded cast fighting against hydraulic natural gas drilling in upstate New York

John Lennon’s son Sean Lennon, actress Debra Winger, songstress Natalie Merchant and “The Avengers” actor Mark Ruffalo have also spoken out in opposition to the extraction process criticized for potentially contaminating water supplies and damaging the environment.

By Glenn Blain / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Friday, January 11, 2013

ALBANY — Hydrofracking is not the most glamorous of issues but the gritty subject is bringing a lot of glitz to the state Capitol.

Yoko Ono, the widow of ex-Beatle John Lennon, and son Sean Lennon became the latest celebrities to visit Albany Friday to press for a ban on the controversial natural gas drilling.

“Fracking kills,” Ono said at a press conference with other drilling opponents. “And it doesn’t just kill us, it kills the land, nature and eventually the whole world.”

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NY Daily News

Now it’s the 4th graders’ turn…

Fourth-graders have concluded fracking’s bad

By Steve Israel
Published: 2:00 AM – 01/13/13
If it were up to nearly four dozen future voters at a Middletown elementary school, fracking would be banned in New York — and the rest of the world.

Just listen to what those fourth-graders at Maple Hill Elementary School have to say about the controversial natural gas extraction method of hydraulic fracturing, or fracking:

“It could cause methane explosions, poison water and kill people. It killed cattle,” says 9-year-old Philip Gazer.

“Sometimes, because of fracking, earthquakes could happen,” says 9-year-old Sagnik Chakraborty, citing minor earthquakes in Ohio apparently caused by the underground injection of fracking waste.

Bottom line for the fourth-graders in the classes of Mary Hayes and Patricia McGorry?

“We don’t want to be poisoned by fracking,” says 11-year-old Nancy Jaime.

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There you have it. Yoko Ono is either not smarter than a 4th grader or she has a strong desire to spend winters freezing in the dark. The wellhead price for natural gas in the US is currently in the range of $3.00 to $3.50/mcf.

The shale boom is the single biggest reason why natural gas prices are so low in the USA compared to most of the rest of the world…

Without fracking, there would be no shale boom and US natural gas prices could be $8/mcf or higher.

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105 thoughts on “Is Yoko Ono smarter than a 4th grader?

  1. It’s Yoko. How much could she possibly know?

    Seriously… ALL kinds of things come to mind to type… but… most would be snipped and any of them would be trite and petty (not to mention, common knowledge)

    Interestingly, googling a simple word like “Fracking” coupled with almost every location finds amateur and “Tides” funded anti-fracking crap, spreading misinformation and unproven allegations about damage caused by fracking. Seriously, it’s disgusting what these anti-civilization morons will put on their propaganda sites… hey, send money, ok? Just send money and we’ll be against fracking too.

  2. Might need to use something other than gas if the world gets much colder. This winter its so cold in Siberia, natural gas is condensing to a liquid in the pipes, causing supply to fail to the worst affected regions just when it is needed the most.

  3. Don’t worry Kyoto. (Mummys only looking for her brains in the snow)
    (After Live Peace in Toronto 69)

  4. We’ve here in England have had to suffer this gloriously-ignorant woman from time to time – spouting on about things she doesn’t understand. I could never stand the woman.

  5. Just wait, there will be a fracking disaster in some country with no environmental oversight at all, and it will be pointed out as proof, just like Chernobyl that it is fundamentally hazardous and can never be safe.

    But, at the same time, even if they shut it down in the states, there are lots of countries who will pursue it. Eventually reality will have its day, and the gas in the ground is not going anywhere. Sooner or later it will be extracted. If not by this generation, then by one that has learned the truth about the extremists.

  6. I do think all these marvelous talented people, be it in theatre, movies, music, their artistic talents bring joy to millions. It’s just when they open their mouths & talk about something technical & scientific about which they have absolutely no idea! The most famous must have been Danny Glover linking the Haitian earthquake to AGW, now there’s a scientific challenge if ever there was one!

  7. If you go back in the archives to the very first issues, WUWT was not only a climate site. Anthony was then a guerilla fighting against bunkum wherever he encountered it. This guest post by David Middleton is a return to that proud tradition.

  8. It is all so tedious and predictable.

    Whenever you have something which makes economic sense at no risk, then a motley assortment of greenies, second rate celebrities and dodgy politicians can be guaranteed to come out in opposition.

    The same motley assortment will ratchet up the scariness factor, distort data and forecast imminent doom and gloom.

    Fracking is going to change the world’s economy for the better, gas and oil prices will be lower. Undoubtedly there will be occasional problems, but stories about fracking causing major seismic events are hugely exaggerated and as for polluting groundwater etc., this only occurs where there was already natural pollution.

    Lewandowsky’s logic of tying unrelated theories together applies here. Almost all those opposing fracking, using unfounded logic, can be guaranteed to support the highly flawed theory of CAGW.

  9. Fracking does clearly have its dangers. A school child with basic geology knowledge could work that one out. By the very nature of rock strata and the way fluids and gas can travel and pollute taking the path of least resistance, its not a extraction science without clear pitfalls. In the UK there have been minor Earthquakes causes by exploratory fracking and some measured pollution. The problem is of course the actual science of this fledgling industry will be completely ignored and the debate ludicrously polarised. You will have the “fracking kills” lunatics versus the “fracking is completely safe la la la la la” naive. Fracking is not completely safe obviously in the same way dynamiting for gold isn’t, but it will help the cause of the industry to have loons like Egg Yoke Only saying the moon will explode if we do it and eventually distract from the real debate which in this energy-desperate times will be parked whenever possible and labelled “alarmist”. On this very rare occassion I actually sympathise with her conerns a bit, but of course riducule her lack of knowledge.

  10. Why on earth do we give so much public exposure to celebs, pontificating on subjects of which they have no knowlege whatsoever,and whose only qualification in life is to parade in front of their admiring public, acting as they do as people in life or death who are or were generally far more intelligent than they are. Who are they to have more knowledge about any effect that fracking has than the experts in the field, They should stick to subjects they are considered to be good at and leave those who can give expert advice to get on with it. Their complete lack of intelligence in these4 matters is highlighted by getting statements on the subject from 11 year old school children.

  11. thing is there is some truth in what she says ..but it does depend on the surounding rock (Porosity)..
    you pump steam/hot water down a hole it break’s up the shale gas gets sucked up .. basic ?
    now over time water/steam will move it will be pushed back to the surface ..then you have a problem ..earth movement .. not a quake as such but if theres a quake in the same region ..hmm

  12. @Alan the Brit

    Yoko Ono “marvelous(ly) talented”??? That’s quite possibly the most extreme oxymoron ever.

  13. Yoko, If you could just stick to being a superannuated celebrity gold-digger – that would be much appreciated. Thank you.

  14. “Yoko Ono … has a strong desire to spend winters freezing in the dark.”

    Yoko won’t be doing any freezing, she’s one of the beautiful people, she’ll be able to afford heat. It’s the little people who will be shivering.

  15. A few days ago the midland counties of the UK were jolted by an earth tremor which was rated at 2.9 on the Richter scale. If I understand the scale correctly, that is close to double the strength of the two tremors linked to fracking recently, and it covered a much bigger area.
    It was reported as a harmless curiosity – no mention of damage. One interviewee said that a few CDs fell off a shelf!
    Imagine the furore and spurious alarms if it had been linked to fracking in any way.

  16. Can anyone here list all the chemicals used by the fracking companies ?
    Can anybody tell me what quantities of said chemicals are used ?
    Can anybody tell me what regulation’s, oversight and inspections are carried out ?
    Why do you think many people are concerned about fracking ?

  17. Yes, if we were all to have cheap fuel that would diminish their ability to direct our life styles and their control over us. You can see why they are worried. A bit stupid to do it while it’s cold though.

  18. Not only is she not smarter than a fourth grader, the teacher isn’t smarter than Yoko Ono. Those kids are being horribly mis-taught.

  19. A few things:

    A web-site discloses the frac water composition and has tons of information:

    http://fracfocus.org/

    The industry is pushing for regulations to have everything disclosed and use only natural and eco substances – this is true for USA and Canada.

    Another site is here;

    http://www.hydraulicfracturing.com

    It has never been demonstrated that hydraulic fracturing causes noticeable earthquakes – but we have seen some small ones associated with the injection well sites, where the water gets injected into the ground. This was possibly caused because existing faults then slipped when high amounts of water that got pumped in.

    Fracturing is an activity that is dangerous and tight safety rules are in place. Driving cars is also dangerous – but we still educate people and let them do it. Same with fracking. No industry is willing to take risks or do jobs where their business gets shut down. Fracking has been done for more than 60 years. Yes, over 1 million frac jobs have been completed since then.

    When hydraulic fracturing – the most critical thing is to have a good casing, so the cementing job is absolutely critical. With deep fracturing jobs (>3000 ft or 1000 m), rock layers of 10-300 ft or ~100 m get stimulated – most often only 40-50 ft thick packages. There is no way that these could produce fracture networks that penetrate all the way up to the surface. Several studies and microseismic data have demonstrated that.

    In shallow fracturing jobs (<3000 ft or 1000m), regulations are in place to use only fluids that if they enter waterways or aquifers, the water quality falls within the boundaries of drinking water. I.e. they cannot exceed chemical levels of drinking water standards.

    So again, how can fracturing kill unless you physically get hit by a truck or by an well-site accident? I guess we should start talking about banning cars!

  20. All these little twits are obvious victims of “cracking”, i.e having smoke blown up their ass.

    BTW, I am wondering where they got that sign, 4th grade art class?

  21. @Karen 3:41am. Actually, er, Karen, on this site people who have some technical knowledge on a subject simply provide that knowledge in their post. Do you have the knowledge you ask us about or are you off on a sophomoric rant?

  22. John Lennon…

    Imagine there’s no heaven
    It’s easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people living for today

    Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people living life in peace

    You, you may say
    I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one
    I hope some day you’ll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people sharing all the world

    You, you may say
    I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one
    I hope some day you’ll join us
    And the world will live as one

    Maybe she needs more money?

  23. If they’re sincere, these Noble New Yorkers, why don’t they simply boycott natural gas that originates from fracking and just heat their homes and business with natural natural gas, or solar, or wind, or … hot air?

    I say put your money where your mouth is and practice what you preach. Adopt a new motto too….

    New Yorkers For Higher Energy Costs and Less Warmth.

  24. “AnotherQlder says:
    January 23, 2013 at 4:32 am”

    We should ban water too, far too many people die from the fact they cannot breathe in water.

  25. Some of those children will grow up, and get curious and investigate the propaganda they were fed. And become very upset with public education for lying to them.

    I know I did.

  26. Karen says: January 23, 2013 at 3:41 am
    Why do you think many people are concerned about fracking ?

    Because of all the collaborationist posts they read? Am I right?

  27. Fracking has already doubled the estimates of recoverable reserves of oil and natural gas.

    There is too much money to be made and too much demand for the products to stop it now.

    Get used to plentiful and cheap natural gas. Get used to the fact that the US will rely less and less on imported oil.

    Get used to increasing use of cheap natural gas lowering CO2 emissions in the US and world-wide.

    Why would the Greens be against it? Not logical.

  28. I watched FrackNation last night. Very informative and highly recommended. This is just another environmental “movement” started by exaggerated or outright false claims.

  29. Imagine there’s no carbon
    It’s easy if you try
    No warming-hell before us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people curbing their emissions

    Imagine there’s no companies
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to drill or frack for
    And no more CO2
    Imagine all the people living in peace with Gaia

    You, you may say
    I’m a dreamer…

    Yes.

  30. Fourth-graders have concluded fracking’s bad

    What that actually means is they’ve been indoctrinated with anti-producer propaganda. They know little of critical thought, of real history, and of real science, yet time is taken away from proper teaching to indoctrinate them to bite the hand that feeds them, to hate the producers even as they have electricity, warmth, food, and much else contributed to by such. If those who railed against production had to not use the fruits of such and be less hypocritical, there would be fewer doing so, yet, via government, when becoming voters, they get to spread the harm from their ideology to others. Starting indoctrination at about as young an age as possible is a classic tactic for an ideology weakened by higher levels of rational thought, knowledge, and mathematical literacy (such as being able to semi-quantitatively compare benefits versus hyped tradeoffs).

  31. johnny old boy ” In the UK there have been minor Earthquakes causes by exploratory fracking and some measured pollution.”
    I would keep very quiet if I were you johnny, old boy as your statement is typical of the hysterical Green unsubstantiated drivel presently available.
    Minor earthquake it was, so low that only modern instruments could record it.
    Any idea how much radiation was released at the same time? Water pollution at a level so low it is below any EU water purity scale.

    Nothing to see here – “move on”

  32. The child repeating that lie about cattle and killing people is a sad reminder that even bad movies, like “Promised Land” have the power to deceive the young and naive. As for Yoko and the celebritycrats, who gives fig what those self absorbed ignorant puppets say?

  33. When Yoyo Nono shows up, you know it’s the beginning of the end.

    Maybe she’ll do for the green movement what she did for the Beatles.

  34. Seriously?

    This is the woman who broke up the Beatles. For that sin alone, there is a special place in hell for the incredibly ignorant Yoko Ono.

    The airing of FrackNation last night on aXsTV was an excellent, rational documentary on fracking. Encourage all to see it, if you have the opportunity.

  35. Nothing burns cleaner than natural gas. Shale gas will provide enormous benefits to this country. It has brought down the price natural gas and the price of crude oil, which will go lower as shale gas is brought into production in the rest of the world.

  36. If these folks are proud about making children afraid of minor earthquakes caused by water injection, just wait till they find out about carbon capture and sequestration.

  37. So when one uses fracking to recover hot water for use in home heating or small scale electrical generation, do the same issues manifest themselves?

    Or is it at that stage a harmless activity?

  38. In Kansas, fracking has been used for 60 years. To date the biggest most obvious blight on our landscape has been wind turbines, and not dead cattle (we do still have a lot of those). I’m sure Kansas natural gas goes to New York, but maybe we can put a stupid tax on it and make a little extra for our troubles.

  39. Also on that point, note it’s fourth graders and Yoko Ono who we’re supposed to be educated by on the subject. Even Hansen didn’t show up. Of course he is only a retired astronomer.

  40. The UK gets, on average, 400 earthquakes a year. Obviously they are very minor ones – but what’s the betting that all of them from now on will be blamed on fracking..?
    By the way – wouldn’t CCS (Carbon Capture and Storage) – i.e., compressing and burying carbon dioxide at high presure underground, create earthquakes..? Or perhaps these would be NICE earthquakes as oppose to NASTY earthquakes caused by fracking..?

  41. Those that are against fracking shouldn’t be allowed to use the resources obtained by fracking. Let them walk to work or to the market.

    They are abject hypocrites of the highest magnitude.

    (Of course, they’ve been brainwashed by “perfessers” that swarm to our institutions of higher learning because they can’t find work anyplace else–we’ve turned the farm over to subversives to our way of life and they call it being “Progressive”. So if you support such institutions and don’t speak out, you are also to blame.)

  42. Hell… Thank you very much for posting the presentations. I was a geology student till calculus defeated my ambitions. I’m going to repost this on my blog (sonicfrog.net). You’ll get a Hat Tip.

  43. Those fourth graders have been exposed to a mighty good oversimplifying persauder – I mean educator. Maybe mommy and daddy shouldn’t be having electricity in their house either. They sure don’t want to get burned or electrocuted.

  44. My grand daughter who is in her penultimate year at school before going on, hopefully, to learn geology has spent many years listening to me clarify the AGW story. She was required to do a school project on Climate Change and did so complete with links, verifications and clear reason.

    Obviously she attempted to disprove what she had been taught by the South African school system on the matter and did rather a good job her mother tells me. The result?

    She was required to apologise to her teacher and classmates for producing the “big oil” story and then had to redo the whole thing in the orthodox way or she would not be graduating high school. She is a bright girl and realised that you have to go along to get along and did as was demanded but she harbours a great deal of resentment now as no attempt was made by the school to try and show her why she was wrong.

    This particular virus has infected many young people around the world but she has learned very early just how intolerant a religion is that of AGW. She told me at Christmas that it has simply strengthened her resolve to agitate further when she gets to university. To agitate against intolerance and the nonsense AGW is.

  45. All these anti-fracking people are driving me crazy! Even less science than the CAGW crowd. I am going to get up on the soap box now ….

    The only reason it’s “controversial” is because the enviros said it was bad- but without any basis in fact. But the bottom line is these people simply hate (and that’s not too strong of a word) the hydrocarbon industry & look for any way to impede or harm it they can. Using environmental excuses to attack the industry is easy, because at the end of the day, who wants a hazardous environment (it’s like being for motherhood & apple pie)? The enviros do recognize fracking a serious threat to their pipe dream of converting us to renewable energy today as renewables can not compete in a $3-4 nat gas world.

    I’m mean, come on though, who do you think you are fooling ?? – the industry has been using this technology for decades, the only difference now is we are applying it to horizontal wells on a much larger scale & with better engineering & getting far superior results. Why is it controversial now when it wasn’t in the past ?? See the last paragraph.

    Unfortunately, the general public (and 4th graders) don’t know this – all they know is the crap they read & hear in the general media, which makes no attempt to find the real facts of the story. I think the only way to make people understand would be for the industry to withhold all hydrocarbon products from the market for a few weeks – then people would get the benefit & tell the enviros to go take a hike.

    Amongst other unfortunate things, the environmental movement is simply a mouth piece for far left politics. Environmentalism was high jacked by the far left & we end up with things like this anti-fracking position & CAGW. The real intent of both being de-industrializing the west, as a political goal. They really don’t care about the environment at all. Everyone should & generally does care about the environment, when there are REAL problems, but because all environmental problems have become so politicized, real problems wont be addressed by the right for fear of looking like they sympathize with the left, thus leaving real problems unaddressed.

    Final thought ….. something to put this in perspective, and this is absolutely true. There is an industrial machine out there that is killing , on average, about 40,000 Americans very year !!!! And the government is doing NOTHING to stop or get rid of this menace !!! Can you believe this !!! What an outrage!! Where do we sign to ban this horrible machine ???? …… and what is this machine ?? …… The automobile . But you say, “Well, we can’t ban automobiles, I depend on it to get around.” You are right – you depend on it, even though there is a risk you may die in it.

    This is called cost-benefit analysis & it is something enviros simply do not get or acknowledge. Anyone & everyone will get the above example. You decide to drive a car because the benefits far outweigh the potential risks. It is no different with fracking or CAGW, for that matter. The benefits of cheap nat gas far outweigh any potential risks – which, for the record, are incredibly small. It’s just that the average Joe has too little understanding how much benefit they are getting from cheap hydrocarbon fuel & how little risk there is.

    The far left would like society to believe that we should live in a risk free environment and there is no such thing as a cost-benefit analysis. Sorry to say, but that is not how the real world works nor how the rational human mind works. Don’t believe me? Then why don’t you try to ban automobiles & you will find out that people to understand cost-benefit analysis & in fact most decisions made by humans ultimately come down to some form of cost benefit analysis.

    So, our collective job is to do a better job educating people on the costs & the benefits, both when it comes to fracking ( which David puts some nice data out on the benefits side in this article) and when it comes to CAGW (which this blog does on regular basis). Next time you encounter someone who is anti-fracking or believes in CAGW, bring up the automobile analog & get them thinking in terms of cost-benefit. If everyone would think this way, we will win this war.

    Stepping back off the soap box now …..

  46. Fracking is simple, and certainly not inherently dangereous. There is a problem in volume we’re seeing— instead of single stage fracs, we are doing 20 stage fracs. If that works on one well in a shale, it will work on 30,000 more. The analogy I use is imagine suddenly pumping out 500,000 septic tanks. Eventually, someone will make a mess, even if the the technology to do it right exists.

    Thr challange we face is in doing all those fracs, dealing with all that fluid, and minimizing the mistakes. Then, when the mistakes occur, we need to prevent the Yoko-Loco type of spin from getting to our fourth grade kids.

  47. @Coach Springer, thats a good motto for these folk,
    “Too stupid to operate a toaster.”
    I like your thinking, these characters keep invoking the precautionary principle as an excuse for abusing our rights as citizens, so lets apply that same stupid principle to their useful idiots.
    Electricity is dangerous therefore it must be disconnected from the homes of the, self identified, mentally deficient enviro-(expletive of choice).

  48. And it contributes to Sea-level rise, and the flooding of New York, by removing all the gas holding up the surface of the Earth. /sarc

  49. Who hates fracking?. Arab countries like Qatar, and yes, they are funding the groups against it. Dah

  50. “And it contributes to Sea-level rise, and the flooding of New York, by removing all the gas holding up the surface of the Earth. /sarc”

    Cool

  51. eworrall1 says January 23, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Might need to use something other than gas if the world gets much colder. This winter its so cold in Siberia, natural gas is condensing to a liquid in the pipes,

    Gases OTHER THAN natural gas (Methane) are condensing out; the Methane proper is not condensing (under pressure in the pipelines) …

    Just to be clear; these are often called NGL’s (natural gas liquids), gases other than Methane (e.g. propane, butane, etc.) that condense out as the pipeline is pressurized and experiences abnormal cooling.

    .

  52. Karen says:
    January 23, 2013 at 3:41 am
    “Why do you think many people are concerned about fracking ?”

    Because it’s successful.
    It’s been practiced in Lower Saxony in Germany since the 1960ies (we had some oil in the Lueneburger Heide for instance). Only without horicontal drilling.

    Only now that it becomes a significant threat to the “No Energy” future desired by the Greens does it become protestworthy.

    The “No Energy” future they desire is of course the crisis that they wish to inflict on us; only to explain AFTER everyone is starving in the cold that it was evil capitalism who dunit and that now is the time to embrace the wonderworld of the socialist killing fields, ahem, wait, strike that, socialist utopia, yeah that’s the word.

  53. How long before the Government takes over the energy companies in the USA? I need to your answer, I own Duke Power and Energy stock and will need to sell it soon. With the new energy policies of the president, oil, coal and ng usage will be eliminated by the EPA

  54. Yoko Ono is scientifically to fracking as Hansen is scientifically to coal. : )

    Another thought => To paraphrase a line from a John Lennon song,

    All we are saying is give peace fracking a chance.

    John

  55. jonny old boy says January 23, 2013 at 1:55 am

    Fracking does clearly have its dangers. A school child with basic geology knowledge could work that one out. …

    But, no knowledge of state-of-the-art drilling and fracking techniques and practices?

    Wouldn’t this be kind of a once-sided analysis or presentation then?

    (Practically) anyone can outline the dangers of fire, yet, we use ‘it’ continually and everywhere safely … (automobile engines – internal combustion, jet engines, gas heat, gas cook stoves, water heaters, electrical power generation, and so on)

    .

  56. peter says:
    January 23, 2013 at 1:06 am
    Just wait, there will be a fracking disaster in some country with no environmental oversight at all, and it will be pointed out as proof, just like Chernobyl that it is fundamentally hazardous and can never be safe.

    But, at the same time, even if they shut it down in the states, there are lots of countries who will pursue it. Eventually reality will have its day, and the gas in the ground is not going anywhere. Sooner or later it will be extracted. If not by this generation, then by one that has learned the truth about the extremists.

    Hydraulic fracturing can’t cause any disasters of any kind.

    See the following…

    Dallas earthquake not caused by fracking… And neither was the Ohio quake.

    More “Fracking” Nonsense About Earthquakes

    jonny old boy says:
    January 23, 2013 at 1:55 am
    Fracking does clearly have its dangers. A school child with basic geology knowledge could work that one out. By the very nature of rock strata and the way fluids and gas can travel and pollute taking the path of least resistance, its not a extraction science without clear pitfalls. In the UK there have been minor Earthquakes causes by exploratory fracking and some measured pollution. The problem is of course the actual science of this fledgling industry will be completely ignored and the debate ludicrously polarised. You will have the “fracking kills” lunatics versus the “fracking is completely safe la la la la la” naive. Fracking is not completely safe obviously in the same way dynamiting for gold isn’t, but it will help the cause of the industry to have loons like Egg Yoke Only saying the moon will explode if we do it and eventually distract from the real debate which in this energy-desperate times will be parked whenever possible and labelled “alarmist”. On this very rare occassion I actually sympathise with her conerns a bit, but of course riducule her lack of knowledge.

    Fracking has been in common use for more than 50 years. Horizontal drilling and multi-stage frac jobs on shale formations have been going on since the 1980’s in Texas. The only thing that’s “fledgling” is the expansion of oil & gas operations into States unaccustomed to such activity.

    flea rider says:
    January 23, 2013 at 2:02 am
    thing is there is some truth in what she says ..but it does depend on the surounding rock (Porosity)..
    you pump steam/hot water down a hole it break’s up the shale gas gets sucked up .. basic ?
    now over time water/steam will move it will be pushed back to the surface ..then you have a problem ..earth movement .. not a quake as such but if theres a quake in the same region ..hmm

    Erm… No… Not even close.

    Karen says:
    January 23, 2013 at 3:41 am
    Can anyone here list all the chemicals used by the fracking companies ?
    Can anybody tell me what quantities of said chemicals are used ?
    Can anybody tell me what regulation’s, oversight and inspections are carried out ?
    Why do you think many people are concerned about fracking ?

    See: Halliburton, Hydraulic Fracturing, Fluids Disclosure

    And, next time…

  57. Reminds me of the lyrics to a song by Roger Waters…

    ‘…Did you understand the music, Yoko, or was it all in vain?’
    - from ‘The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking’ (1984)

    I think we know the answer to that one.

  58. Mike Alexander says:
    January 23, 2013 at 6:52 am
    Hell… Thank you very much for posting the presentations. I was a geology student till calculus defeated my ambitions. I’m going to repost this on my blog (sonicfrog.net). You’ll get a Hat Tip.

    I started out as a physics major, but switched to earth science during my first week in college… I decided I did not want to take all that math. Earth science only required 2 semesters of calculus. My advisor said I should take Calculus III because it used the same text book. Next thing I knew, I was taking differential equations, linear algebra and wound up with a minor in math. My first employer decided that I was a geophysicist, rather than a geologist because I minored in math and took differential equations. I think the main reason I was promoted into management back in 2007 was because I can use PowerPoint and Excel… Life is funny.

    What’s even funnier? I work the Gulf of Mexico. Fracking and the shale boom have essentially erased the value of Gulf of Mexico natural gas. I ought to be in favor of a fracking ban and siding with the Good Will Fracking crowd, higher natural gas prices would be great for our bottom line… ;)

  59. I emailed this link to a friend who works across town at Chesapeake Energy… his reply was extra colorful and one can almost make out the laughter from this distance.

    We will be glad to sell the New Yorkers all the energy they can afford.

  60. Steve Hill from Ky says:
    January 23, 2013 at 7:57 am
    How long before the Government takes over the energy companies in the USA? I need to your answer, I own Duke Power and Energy stock and will need to sell it soon. With the new energy policies of the president, oil, coal and ng usage will be eliminated by the EPA

    I don’t think that the gov’t will ever officially nationalize the energy industry. Obama has misused the Dept. of Energy program to subsidize alternative energy R&D and abused the regulatory power of the EPA and Interior Dept. in an effort to effectively nationalize the nation’s energy industry. In concert with his efforts to drive up the cost of coal- and natural gas-fired power plants, Obama has aggressively pursued an agenda of financing expensive power plants with taxpayer dollars. Many of these taxpayer-guaranteed loans have gone to financially strapped companies, lacking the means to repay those loans. In most cases local utilities were coerced or enticed into signing long-term purchase agreements to buy electricity at nearly double the cost of coal- and natural gas-generated electricity. The sole justification for this centralized Enviromarxist industrial policy is the Lysenko-like junk science of anthropogenic global warming.

    The capex for solar power plants averages between $6- and $7-million per MW of installed capacity. Coal-fired plants generally run less than $2-million per MW and natural gas plants currently run less than $1-million per MW. The average retail residential electricity rate in the U.S. is currently less than 12¢ per kWh. The levelized generation cost for the plants being financed by Maobama is more than 20¢ per kWh. His centralized Enviromarxist industrial policy will drive the wholesale cost of electricity to nearly double the current retail rate.

    The US Navy has been spending close to $30 per gallon for biofuels; while conventional JP5 is selling for about $3 per gallon.

    The US Army recently commissioned s solar PV installation at White Sands Missile Range. Siemens will make an 18% ROI on their investment and the Army will only pay $0.08 per kWh for the electricity because the taxpayer picked up 27% of Siemens’ cost to build the plant. This solar installation will provide 10% of the base’s electricity. A gas-fired plant could have provided 100% of the base’s electricity, cost less than half-as-much to build and have an LCOE of $0.05 per kWh.

    One need not literally seize the assets of businesses and install gov’t bureaucrats into management position to effectively nationalize those businesses. All it takes is to make them dependent on gov’t and/or direct their activities through regulatory constraints.

  61. Simple solution. Don’t allow places with fracking bans to buy fracked gas. They have to buy the more expensive stuff.

  62. Either Yoko is being used and is too dumb to know it, or she’s a watermelon. I kinda think watermelon.

    Hearing the little kids poisoned by Green Lies is just plain sad. When this all turns around, sweeping anti-democracy and ant-civilization out of the schools HAS to be a priority or this same problem will be back again as it was before. This stuff should never have been allowed in schools in the first place. Where are the people who are supposed to look out for threats to society? Don’t they recognize this as a threat? Where are the people who are supposed to protect civilization?

    Where are the people who should be arresting the likes of Al Gore and Rajenda Pachauri for fraud and crimes against humanity? Where’s the sheriff and his posse? Seriously, somebody should be looking at these guys AND the crooked scientists AND the crooked politicians. That there are SO MANY to arrest shouldn’t be an excuse not to arrest any. Somewhere, their files are fat. Somewhere, someone is waiting. Or am I just being an optimist again?

  63. One can only come to one conclusion: Ono, her compadres, and indeed the entire environmentalist aka “green” movement hate humanity, particularly poor people. Fracking is just a convenient vehicle, as is manmade warming/climate change. They suffer from a mass psychosis.

  64. Thanks, David, interesting post.

    Some of your commenters might like to know about guar gum, being important to fracking, ice cream, and other common items.

    http://www.gracelinks.org/blog/1370/fracking-vs-ice-cream-the-guar-gum-connection-updated

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    A couple of years ago the term “rare earths” appeared in the works of the MSM. These are elements useful in the equipment of green-technologies; wind turbines being an example. While not actually rare, “rare earths” do require mining and that, of course, is something the élites do not wish to see. The solution is to out-source the supply to places where environmental issues can be ignored by those who seek to rapidly expand personal wealth.
    The use of coal, gas, and nuclear fuels are highly regulated in the USA. Fracking is regulated by the various states because the Feds had their heads in the sky – actually because drilling was practically shut out of federal lands the Gov. had little to offer. They still don’t and get some “push-back” from state regulators when they try.
    Getting back to the dangers of fracking versus the mining of rare earths, take a look at the next to last photo in the sequence here:

    http://helablog.com/2012/01/new-photos-show-why-china-is-the-world%E2%80%99s-worst-polluter/

    Here is a link to a Chromium waste story:

    http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=11171

    A 5,000 tonne stockpile of highly toxic chromium wastes was recently discovered, dumped around a factory in China’s Yunnan province.

    But this is only the tip of a massive problem: according to Greenpeace, no fewer than a million tonnes of the poisonous material still remain to be cleaned up around the country.

  65. eworrall1 says:
    January 23, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Might need to use something other than gas if the world gets much colder. This winter its so cold in Siberia, natural gas is condensing to a liquid in the pipes, causing supply to fail to the worst affected regions just when it is needed the most
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    Methane boils at -164C so it must be very cold in Siberia. Actually, you must have been reading about liquid condensates. These valuable and are usually removed at the source and not put in the pipline.

  66. Watermelon

    Green outside, red inside; see:
    Kyoto Protocol The German plan

    The Secret History of Climate Alarmism
    A very German story of power politics disguised as environmentalism
    AUG 9, 2010, VOL. 15, NO. 44 • BY JOHN ROSENTHA

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/secret-history-climate-alarmism?page=2

    part of page 2:
    To understand how this could be so—and, above all, how it could have been so widely overlooked—we should return to the German commission of inquiry’s report and consider the date of its submission. October 2, 1990. One day later, German reunification took place. When the commission proposed its ambitious target of a 30 percent reduction in CO2 emissions for Germany and other “economically strong industrialized countries,” the inevitable demise of East Germany’s highly inefficient, enormously carbon-intensive industries was already underway. This is significant because the commission also proposed backdating the reference year for measuring emissions reductions to a year before the actual coming into force of the treaty. The reference year that would finally be settled upon was none other than 1990.
    This reference year assured Germany a substantial carbon savings windfall from the phasing out of East Germany’s obsolete industrial infrastructure. According to official statistics, from 1990 to 1995 CO2 emissions in the eastern German states fell by a whopping 44 percent.

  67. TomR,Worc,MA says:
    January 23, 2013 at 11:20 am
    What is meant when someone is called a “watermelon”?

    Green on the outside and red (AKA Communist) on the inside. I prefer to refer to these sort of people as Enviromarxists or Envirostatists.

  68. Why would anybody think that fracking is good. And why do we need it??

    MIT NANOR technology as well as LENR will obsolete oil and most other forms of energy…
    Why support something that may contaminate domestic water supplies??

  69. Bottom line is that fracking may be an issue depending on the specifics of the local geology. As with any proposal, it should be properly assessed on a case by case basis.

  70. Ono smarter than a 4th grader? she isn’t even as smart as a glass of water. That list needs more Matt Dammmmmmmmon by the way. Try harder.

    As for that 2.9 ‘quake’ in the UK, I was sitting smack bang in the epicentre (Loughborough) and I barely felt it with my feet on a metal bed frame. Had it been at 1720 rather than 0520 nobody would have noticed. If someone claims that CDs fell off of their bookshelf, I suggest they take some DIY classes. Or buy some glue. And maybe some screws.

  71. @AnotherQlder:

    So sand, water, some soaps and alcohols (antifreeze / viscosity modifiers), some lube, anti-corrosion stuff and some salts. Minor amounts of other things. A lot of it looks like the ingredients on a can of shaving cream. All in all, looks pretty much like nothing at all to worry about.

    Folks prattling about that stuff ‘leaking’ need to realize that the dirt is already full of a lot of nastier stuff (like, oh Radon and anthrax spores – yes, every so often some cows near here get anthrax from the naturally occurring level in the soil, where there nose is when eating grass…). They also need to realize that a well that leaks all the way to the surface or surface waters means the well owner has his product being lost. No well operator wants an empty well…

  72. Fracking works so well and has such positive economic effects that all the fulminating of Tides and Yoko will be disregarded and discredited. The reality is just too obvious, too powerful, too beneficial.

  73. Very, very easy to fix. States which frack should be BANNED from selling to states that consider this poisoning water, etc, no oil that is fracked should be sold to states that ban fracking, and all electricity cut off since it MIGHT have been produced by fracking. Come people, you can stop this nonsense in a week.

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