Trump and the Supreme Court should restore our national energy and climate sovereignty
Paul Driessen
America has long considered Europe an exemplar and leader in cultural and political thought. We’ve frequently cited European laws, policies and viewpoints as guidance for how the United States should change or behave on multiple issues.
Even after the USA eclipsed the Euro continent economically, militarily and (some say) culturally this past century, we have generally continued to do this. In recent years, we’ve even done so on energy policy, in response to claims that Earth’s climate is changing dangerously due to man’s activities.
We’ve done it despite witnessing how German, British and European electricity prices have skyrocketed, industries have lost millions of jobs, and people cannot afford to heat their homes properly, because of those climate and energy policies.
President Obama unilaterally followed Europe in signing the Paris climate treaty, obligating America to stop using abundant, reliable, affordable fossil fuels; switch to expensive, unreliable, weather-dependent wind and solar power for electricity generation, transportation, manufacturing and defense; pay “developing countries” tens of billions a year in “reparations” for climate change; and let UN and foreign politicians and bureaucrats exert control over America’s future.
Trump45 withdrew the USA from the pact. President Biden re-subjugated us. Trump47 plans to pull us out again – but should also send the treaty to the Senate for prompt attention, debate and likely rejection under our Constitution’s “treaty clause” (Article II, Section 2), as should have been done years ago.
That would be a major step in meeting his pledge for renewed commonsense regulation, energy dominance and resurgent economic vitality.
Meanwhile, a week after Mr. Trump’s reelection as President, a legal ruling at The Hague shows European views on energy policy may likewise be moving back toward common sense.
On November 12, The Hague’s Appeals Court judges overturned a May 2021 District Court order requiring that Shell Oil Company accelerate its greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions reduction levels to 45% by 2030, using the company’s 2019 GHG emissions as a benchmark.
The 45% ruling reflected Paris Agreement goals and would have applied to Shell’s direct and indirect operational emissions (drilling, production, refining and pipelines), as well as emissions by its oil and natural gas customers worldwide. If the lower court opinion had stood, Shell would have been compelled to more than double its “net carbon intensity” reductions beyond its existing pledge.
The appellate judges refused to impose any specific reduction targets for Shell, citing the company’s substantial emissions reduction efforts, plus insufficient scientific consensus around GHG reduction percentages needed by individual energy companies.
Unfortunately, they still held that Shell had a general legal duty to curb the effects of climate change. How that might happen – amid rapidly growing GHG emissions by China, India, Indonesia, Vietnam and other rapidly developing countries – the judges did not say.
Other than “red counties” and the new Trump Administration, is America moving toward common sense? The jury is still out, as 30-plus U.S. state and local climate lawsuits are still pending. However, there is at least one bright spot among all that litigation.
In July, a circuit court in Maryland dismissed the City of Baltimore’s lawsuit alleging violations of Maryland’s nuisance, trespass and deceptive marketing laws by multiple energy companies. Judge Videtta Brown ruled that emissions produced outside Maryland were beyond the authority of state law.
She also called the city’s efforts to hold energy companies accountable for supposed misinformation an attempt “to get in the back door what they cannot get in the front door.”
This was the third climate lawsuit against energy companies dismissed (New York City’s in 2021) or narrowed in scope (Delaware’s earlier this year), with claims deemed largely preempted by federal law.
Judge Brown’s analysis reflects pro-industry arguments presented by 19 state attorneys general, alleging before the Supreme Court that lawsuits spearheaded by Connecticut, California, New Jersey, Minnesota and Rhode Island attempt to regulate energy and commerce across all 50 states.
It’s noteworthy that states with the greatest focus on climate change and wind, solar and battery power already have the most expensive residential electricity in America’s Lower 48. At 13.9¢ per kilowatt-hour, Maryland is well behind California (19.9¢), Massachusetts (21.1¢) and Connecticut (21.6¢), but pricier than Louisiana (9.4¢), Tennessee (10.8¢) and 32 others.
Despite Maryland’s legal bright spot, however, the other 30-plus cases are charging ahead – because green activists have rigged court systems in their favor.
Activists at the Environmental Law Institute’s Climate Judiciary Project (CJP) have helped “educate” more than 3,000 judges on how to understand the “facts” of climate change as related to legal issues. Even more disturbing, CJP’s materials were crafted by activists who advise state attorneys general and municipalities in these cases and/or support their claims through legal briefs.
It’s all part of a coordinated “think global, sue local” strategy – except no thought is given to global GHG emissions from China, India or other developing countries. It also hampers efforts to develop reliable, affordable, accessible coal, oil and gas; and easier for state and local governments to mandate and subsidize expensive, intermittent, environmentally destructive wind, solar and battery electricity.
These cases permeate liberal state politics and affect American consumers nationwide.
Liberal state politicians want “green, renewable” electricity but know it’s expensive. To make it seem cheaper, they support tax-funded and deficit-increasing subsidies – and states and municipalities that drag energy companies into $5-trillion tobacco-style legal settlements, to help pay for an ultimately $100-trillion pseudo-renewable energy infrastructure.
Of course, consumers across America will eventually foot this bill via rate hikes and higher taxes – along with lost jobs, lower living standards and blackouts – to support alarmist policies and the “privilege” of having unreliable “green” power for an all-electricity society.
Climate fearmongers think voters and consumers are powerless to stop this, since the process is playing out in state courts, where climate realist views and votes don’t count.
However, President-elect Trump has numerous energy and climate options at his disposal. Perhaps more important, the US Supreme Court has signaled an interest in hearing two climate cases: City & County of Honolulu v. Sunoco and Alabama v. California.
The court could rule that energy companies are not legitimate lawsuit targets for the “climate crime” of producing what America and humanity need to survive and thrive. It may also say federal courts have jurisdiction in these cases, and are the proper venue, because fossil fuel use, greenhouse gas emissions and climate change are interstate, regional, national and international in nature – and no state, much less any municipality, has jurisdiction or authority to impose narrow, provincial interpretations of law, science and commerce on the rest of the country and world.
Hopefully, the Supreme Court will follow the Hague’s common sense in hearing these cases and ruling in favor of fossil fuel energy that truly is the foundation of health, welfare, prosperity and security.
Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of books and articles on energy, environment, climate and human rights issues.
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Amendment 28
Section 1
Congress shall make no law to regulate,
tax, sequester or license atmospheric
carbon dioxide.
The right of the people to freely emit
carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from
any source, from any place at any time
in any amount shall not be interfered with.
Section 2
All activity commercial or private within
the United States and all territory subject
to the jurisdiction thereof for the purposes
of altering climate is prohibited.
The Congress and the several States shall
have concurrent power to enforce this article
by appropriate legislation.
______________________________________
Or something like that.
It would seem that forcing the will of the climate cult upon us is already prohibited under the first. More fundamentally, the human rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, as spelled out in the Declaration of Independence, should be taken to heart by all politicians and bureaucrats.
Constitutional amendments are nearly impossible to enact due to the requirements in the Constitution.
However, Congress has full authority to make laws that affect international and interstate commerce. The Clean Air Act never authorized pollution controls on CO2 – it was only a EPA finding under Obama that turned CO2 into a pollution. SCOTUS will sooner or later – perhaps 2025 we’d hope – nullify that EPA finding as having no basis in Congressional law making.
Perhaps it would be helpful also to amend the CAA to specifically exclude the so-called greenhouse gases from regulation under the CAA. Whether SCOTUS does this or Congress does this, it will get done.
But the GOP Senate leaders are going to have to reform the filibuster rules to amend the CAA. They’ll have to do that on a host of other matters. The filibuster as currently construed has no Constitutional basis other than that Congress is allowed to make its own rules. The Senate should not be held to a super majority vote to enact legislation. The filubuster needs to return to its roots which was to be an encouragement of extended debate in the Senate … not to defeat the democratic desires of the people.
They need the same number of votes to change the filibuster rule as it takes to end an on-going filibuster.
CAA stands for Clean Air Act
Sorry it was in the 1st Paragraph
The purpose of the Senate in our Republic (among other Constitutional provisions) is to put the brakes on mob (democracy) rule. Just think what our country would look like if there were no Electoral College.
I would not limit it to CO2. Any emissions of power generation that do not have a direct and immediate effect on human health should be worded into that somehow.
We know the difference between pollutants and non-pollutants, regardless of how EPA frames the definitions.
CO2 and methane are not health hazards except in extraordinary concentrations.
Wrong. They are greenhouse gases and cause warming of the climate
Got any evidence today?
You;re not serious of course? Oh, sorry, I forgot. This is WUWT and few on WUWT read any science or can recognize evidence.
Paul Linsay: An Analysis of Climate Model Assumptions:
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQt_I-RvGF4
paper: https://tomn.substack.com/api/v1/file/02098f46-f503-46ca-9ff8-6b26e0cc206b.pdf
YGTBK. This guy denies the GHE entirely But it’s what you get when you think Science is what appears on Youtube instead of in peer reviewed scientific papers.
Please produce scientific evidence, not mindless blather.
Then again, we have you, who thinks that unless it’s a pal reviewed article, it’s a lie.
So you don’t accept the findings of scientific research. You’d rather pontificate without supporting analysis or criticism from a real expert. Iow, you are a classic Denier
Findings change. Newtons Laws work fine but are incomplete. Same with Einstein. Nobody claimed this until later work showed it.
The only thing that doesn’t change is the opinion of true believers. They spend all their time believing one thing only, which is called faith not science.
“So you don’t accept the findings of scientific research.”
DO YOU ???
8 Taiwanese Engineers Determine The Climate Sensitivity To A 300 ppm CO2 Increase Is ‘Negligibly Small’
Has Richard Greene seen this!? 🙂
“without supporting analysis”
Mirror, mirror.
That is exactly what YOU are doing.
Regurgitating mindless anti-science AGW antra.
DEVOID OF ACTUAL SCIENCE.
Explain what he has wrong.
Most everything. For corrections, go here: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/sixth-assessment-report-cycle/
“few on WUWT read any science or can recognize evidence.”
We are waiting for you to produce one piece of science.
Seems you have only mindless blather.
In other words, once again, you have no evidence.
there is an overwhelming amount of evidence in the scientific literature. Have you read the IPCc Assesments? Or the National Acadeny of Sciences reports? Or the Royal Society? I await your answer
“there is an overwhelming amount of evidence in the scientific literature:
THEN PRODUCE SOME.. !!
and stop your mindless blather. !
Go read those sources and stop whining
Oh dear , another post from the beetroot saying “I HAVE NOTHING”
I have read them, they don’t contain the evidence.
If you had read them, which you obviously haven’t, you would know that.
Come on mutt, point to a specific section, not a nebulous political summary.
You know you can’t.
Science denier
Given the Enhanced Greenhouse Effect theory (water vapor amplifies any minor CO2 warming in the troposphere) as embedded in CliSciFi models, explain the lack of a measurable Tropospheric Hotspot.
The presence or lack of a tropospheric hot spot has no bearing on whether the warming can be attributed to man caused warming due to atmospheric CO2. You won’t find any different conclusion in the published scientific literature.
So, still absolutely NOTHING except empty non-science blather.
What a monkey you are proving yourself to be.
Now you are just LYING!
Well, all you have to do, Sunsettomy, is to post a scientific report that contradicts my post. Unfortunately for you, my post is the unanimous conclusion of research, so as they say, you are SOL.
“You;re not serious of course?”
That is the beetroot saying HE HAS NO EVIDENCE.
Skeptics recognize evidence and we recognize when there is no evidence, too.
Skeptics say Climate Alarmists don’t have any evidence proving their claims about how CO2 interacts with the Earth’s atmosphere.
You pretend you have this evidence. But you don’t.
If you had any evidence, you would present it, rather than just claim it exists.
You don’t have any evidence. What you have is an opinion.
I’ve posted sources with evidence multiple times. Yet you refuse to read or even acknowledge it.
Do you have any concept of the mounds of evidence presented in the 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers published over the last couple of decades? Do you have any knowledge of how that evidence affirms the findings of 99% of the thousands of researching scientists around the world?
ignorance and a stupefying lack of interest in reading those sources seem to be your hallmark.
Here, one more time, is an overview of that evidence. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/
You haven’t read them, that is obvious.
There is absolutely nothing in the NASA link proving CO2 causes warming.
If you think there is.. which section.
It is all just a propaganda pap designed to fool ignorant people like you.
There is absolutely no way any person with more that a single brain cell could ever class the link as “science”
“I’ve posted sources with evidence multiple times.”
You obviously don’t know what evidence is. You think speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions are evidence. They are not, and that is all that Climate Alarmist science is made of.
Even your IPCC doesn’t support what you think it supports. Look up “chaotic systems” in the IPCC studies.
I accept the IPCC reports as the most reliable summary of the current state of the science. Vs WUWT Deniers, who think science is whatever an uneducated non expert posts on its website.
And the beetroot FAILS yet again to produce any evidence.
It is obvious it is only here as petty attention-seeking, with zero intent of actually looking at or producing any real science.
You are probably right about that, although the jury is still out and in any case the effect is not great. If you think global warming is dangerous, talk to China, because no-one else can make a difference while China is building two new coal fired power stations per week. If, however, you can see that global warming is a net benefit (plant growth, food production, fewer winter deaths, etc) then please encourage the USA and others to produce more of it (not that we yet know of any efficient method).
1… Great that you accept peer reviewed science…
No warming by CO2 from 350-400ppm, only 0.3 from 100-350ppm
We are still waiting for you to produce one piece of empirical scientific evidence that current changes in atmospheric CO2 cause any warming or other climate effects.
You wouldn’t have the vaguest clue what is in the scientific literature, because you don’t have the intelligence to read or understand it.
You are just making stupid and meaningless hand-waving gestures.
And DENIAL of the massive benefits the warming and increased CO2 and use of fossil since the LIA have produced..
.. is a sign of absolute ignorance on your behalf.
It would be pointless. Your mind is closed to considering alternatives. You are not programmed to respond in that area.
Oh, you have an alternative Physics? I thought there was only one set of the Laws of Physics. Have you ever read the peer reviewed science on climate change? Or are you a real Denier?
You have zero understanding of Physics, you have made that obvious.
Still waiting for you to produce one comment that contains anything remotely related to scientific evidence.
Your mind is as simple as your understanding of physics.
“Oh, you have an alternative Physics?”
If you look in many “climate science” papers, they are built on “alternative physics”. A sort of twisted fantasy version of reality.
You are just too dumb to read or understand that fact.
So, if two or three “scientists” get together and declare something to be true, then it is true and nobody may ever question this finding.
Answers: 1. No. 2. and 3., see 1. There is abundant evidence that climate “science” is political and rent-seeking in nature. Plus, read any honest assessment of the operations of the UN IPCC.
Arguments that rely on the truthfulness of politicians, government bureaucrats, crony capitalists, and grant-seeking and ideologically-driven academics have no sway with me. You don’t even seem to follow the “trust but verify” philosophy of the great President Ronald Reagan.
There is no evidence that climate science is political nor have you presented any. But there is plenty of evidence that Deniers:
1) Post horse puckey when asked about the behavior of the climate.
2) Post different versions of horse puckey because they can’t agree on the causes of the behavior of the climate (or on the behavior itself) — ie, they have no consistent scientific theory.
3) They refuse to read the publications of real scientists who study the climate, or
4) Their refuse to admit it, because they don’t want to lose face among their Denier buddies
5) They lack a scientific education
6) But then say you dont need to know science to have a strong (and wrong) opinion on the research findings.
7) They say scientific expertise isn’t important –but then they go a medical doctor when they need medical help. Consistency is not their strong suit.
8) Etc Etc
Yet you did not present ANYTHING except empty moronic blather.
You poor empty sack of excrement.
Still waiting for empiricial scientific evidence..
.. you are still FAILING COMPLETELY to produce any..
1… Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.
2… Please show the evidence of CO2 warming in the UAH atmospheric data.
3… Please state the exact amount of CO2 warming in the last 45 year, giving measured scientific evidence for your answer.
Still waiting !!
“They lack a scientific education”
Mirror, mirror, on the wall.
Who is the most scientifically ignorant of them all !
Beetroot, of course. !!
Warren Beeton,
In 2017 I asked our Australian Bureau of Meteorology to correct some apparent errors in their publications. They declined and suggested that to gain discussion, I would need to publish in a peer reviewed journal.
The publication of research in peer-reviewed scientific journals is not appropriate when it is at a low level of science. In my case, it was little more taxing than addition and subtraction of numbers. In my experienced scientific opinion, publication should be restricted by the choice of authors to matters able to have significant impact on the advance of science.
Admission of low grade papers obviously floods the publication process and makes it more difficult for readers to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Then, of course, there is the recently intensifying problem of some prestige journals like Lancet publishing, then retracting, erroneous science that was composed and reviewed in first instance by people with belief dominating data. I know of no cure for this other than creating criminal offences.
Peer review can be good, but it can also be misused. It is not a panacea. Geoff S
The modest warming is not an immediate health hazard.
Far from being a threat, it’s 100% beneficial.
Even if true, warming is not a health hazard, it is in fact very beneficial to life.
Where do you find that conclusion in the scientific literature?
Where do you find opposite conclusions in the scientific literature?
You keep ignoring the requests to tell us.
Do you not know where to find peer reviewed science? Most people learn that in High School. Try the IPCC Assessments, reports by the Royal Society, or the National Academy of Sciences. Or NASA. I expect a) this will be entirely new to you, and b) you wont understand a bit of it
Seem the beetroot learn absolutely nothing at high school. !
And has diligently maintained that lack of intelligence and knowledge to this very day.
Do you.. you have failed totally to produce any.
We can only assume YOU DON’T HAVE ANY.
May cause warming, depending on other climatic factors. There is serious scientific debate as to the actual warming that would be the result of any particular concentration of atmospheric CO2.
History seems to indicate that CO2 levels are not a significant driver of global temperatures. Do some research beyond CliSciFi models that don’t track with historical climate.
your post is hosed. Completely contradicted by all science.
“Completely contradicted by all science.”
How would you know ???
You have zero scientific understanding..
…. and zero scientific evidence.
You keep proving that.
Has to be at least 50 pages longer.
I prefer “Americans have the right to safe and healthy water, air, and climate, and is obligated to pass legislation that may be required to assure these protections.”
They already have the right to be stupid, as your posts demonstrate.
You cannot have any of those things without a very reliable electricity structure.
The infection by wind and solar destroy the reliability of the electricity supply system.
Unreliable electricity from wind and solar creates massive safety issues, disrupts the ability to provide safe water, as well as destroying the environment at every stage of mining, manufacture, installation, use and final disposal after their short life-span.
There is no evidence that the massive benefits of using hydrocarbon fuels has any effect on “the climate”, but if you stop using them, civilisations collapse.
Civilisation is what provides safe and healthy water and air.
Do you really want to go back to the dark ages??
I remember I young socialist I debated some years back.
He declared that he had no interest in being relatively safe, he demanded to be absolutely safe and that it was government’s job to guarantee this.
Mommy Daddy syndrome. It is rampant with people who refuse to grow up. That’s why they WANT to live in their parents basements.
You want that to change in America? Reinstate the draft.
The Government cannot guarantee safety even in prisons.
The individual rights of Americans are secured by the Bill of Rights (first 10 Amendments) in our Constitution. The limits to collective and governmental powers are constrained by the totality of the Constitution.
Hey, as a fun exercise define objectively safe climate(s).
The Congress could name it: “The Safe Climate Act”.
Then we could all feel safe. No more bad weather.
As long as we diligently pay carbon tithes.
Do not put transitory policy/political issues in our Constitution. There is always the law of unintended consequences and you can’t predict future political, judicial and scientific specifics.
The way to kill the wind & solar industry is to end the subsidies which keep it alive. But at the federal level, the Congress isn’t likely to end those subsidies. Which means the incoming Trump administration must find some other way to strangle that industry.
Another very big problem is happening right now inside the Congress which illustrates where it stands with regard to the incoming Trump team and their plans for reforming the federal government.
Roughly 90% of the Continuing Resolution bill now in front of the Congress is verbiage which will force the incoming Trump administration to keep almost all of the current regulatory system in place, making it immune from the reforms that Elon Musk and the D.O.G.E. are intending to implement.
“But at the federal level, the Congress isn’t likely to end those subsidies.”
Well, if Congress passes a bill with more subsidies, can’t Trump veto it?
Yes, he can veto it. But will he? The Congress, even under the Republicans, is determined to defend the status quo. We will see what Trump is made of when the inevitable happens; i.e., that the Congress decides to keep massive spending for renewable energy subsidies, and for many other kinds of government spending, on the books in defiance of Trump’s commitment to end them.
Might want to state what the voting requirement is to override a Presidential Veto. 2/3 in each chamber.
Not till he’s in office. If Biden signs it during the remainder of his term, there is nothing Trump can do.
The CR died late yesterday.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/12/19/republicans-have-a-spending-fight-slam-dunk-if-they-are-smart-enough-to-take-it-n2183400
Let’s see if they hold firm.
There’s a first time for everything.
U.S. Senator Kennedy (R-LA) said yesterday trying to control Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives was like trying to control free-range chickens.
The real problem is Republicans need Democrat votes to pass a continuing resolution, and Democrats want to extract their pound of flesh from any deal, and many Republicans don’t want to give the Democrats anything, which is probably a good idea, but maybe not very practical considering the situation.
I think the Republicans have a new deal going and will be voting on something in the next few minutes. The kind of deal they are trying to make has not been made public yet.
Elon Musk showed a picture of the first CR bill of 1500 pages, which failed, and compared it to the substitute CR bill of 150 pages, which also failed, by putting both stacks of pages side-by-side. The picture of the difference in the size of the bills was striking.
The U.S. government wastes so much money that I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon Musk and Vivek did find two TRILLION dollars worth of waste, fraud, abuse and funding really stupid programs.
Once a government program to subsidize something starts, it never goes away.*
There is broad general agreement that our ethanol mandates do nothing to reduce gas consumption or emissions. But the mandates exist, nonetheless.
Trump has his work cut out for him in rolling back Biden’s Green New Deal laws and policies. Many Republicans support the sections that send money to their districts or states.
*Never? No, not literally never. And yes, I’m mixing subsidies and mandates.
“Trump has his work cut out for him in rolling back Biden’s Green New Deal laws and policies. “
And some future admin will just reverse it all. All this whipsawing back and forth can’t be good for anyone, except lawyers.
Many of the impetus behind these various acts of nonsense is executive order or agency overreach.
Executive orders are easy, although I would prefer and advise and consent provision on all executive orders, but that is not in play today.
Agency overreach will likely need judicial rulings or legislation.
A lot of work ahead.
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clown, this is all you got
Pure projection.
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Think you over estimated.
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And of course, whatever the party tells you to believe, you believe with all your heart.
True Believers are all like that. Been so for centuries. Somebody has to sell them on it first though, which is why faith based communities exist at all.
Unfortunately, true belief allows other people to sell them breeding mules. It’s practical to live by the Missouri state motto.
The ratings says more about MBFC than WUWT.
Most “Fact Check” sites do anything but check facts.
WUWT acts more as a “public review” as opposed to a “peer review” of climate related articles. IMHO, public review seems to work better job of weeding BS than peer review.
If you want to talk “peer review”, you should check the peer reviewed science. It debunks most of what appears on WUWT.
It doesn’t, actually..
Yeah it does. What passes for ‘science ‘ on WUWT is mostly hand waving and conspiracy theory.
Let’s see you produce some actual science.
You know you NEVER will. !
All you have ever had is empty blather, devoid of facts or intelligence.
Let’s start with the very basics.
Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.
Not erroneous theory, not simplistic fake models, not assumptions and conjectures.. actual empirical science.
Like this will ever happen.
beetroot has had time to produce the evidence…
and has FAILED UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY every time.
Yep. Nothing but a Chinese New Year noise maker.
More projection and gaslighting.
Yet you can NEVER produce single one bit of peer reviewed science to support any of your brain-washed cult beliefs.
Funny about that. !
Liar.
I bet you don’t even know what peer review is and how it operates.
Like most low information types you believe that certain magic words have the power to reshape reality into something more to your liking.
And you would be very wrong.
Who peer reviewed Einstein?
Oops, he had no peers. Another of your assumptions trashed by observation.
You have proven MarkW absolutely correct.
You have no peer-reviewed science to back up your petty rantings..
…. otherwise you could produce it…
… but you continue to just flap your arms like a Walz muppet..
“you should check the peer reviewed science”
Poor beetroot,
Doesn’t realise that basically everything discussed on WUWT is based on actual peer-reviewed science and verifiable facts.
It is what debunks the AGW alarmist nonsense.
Apart from that, I bet he can’t present one bit of evidence to counter anything raised in the main post.
“Headless chook” doesn’t even start to describe his antics. !
So Media Bias Check , who is massively biased to the far left, doesn’t like WUWT
SO WHAT !!
They have ZERO credibility.. just like you have zero credibility.
You are a petty, brain-washed, ignorant twit, totally unable to support anything you say or believe with anything remotely approaching science or fact.
An empty sack has more intelligence and credibility than you are ever capable of.
He is only here to argue hoping to score debate points. He is not here to learn or gain a better understanding of life, the universe, and everything.
Just a troll.
“hoping to score debate points”
And FAILING utterly and completely because he is totally incapable of presenting anything of any credibility or substance.
This piece of propaganda really does impress you.
Are you going to spam it over every article from now on?
Arguing with True Believers is useless. Read Eric Hoffer’s 1951 book again. Its not a secret.
What was it that Facebook had to admit in court? That their “fact checkers” were actually just opinion providers? I don’t see any difference with MBFC.
You know, you could apply this exact “fact check” result to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC…
Look no further for confirmation of Trump’s observations about “the enemy within” regarding the US governments myriad bureaucracies than what is currently happening with the defunct Biden administration shoveling $ billions out the doors to a plethora of leftist activist groups,
Your taxes at
workwoke,Go woke, go broke.
Guess what is being advertised here…
How not to be human?
The Mice in Council
Once upon a time the mice, being sadly distressed by the persecution of the cat, resolved to call a meeting to decide upon the best means of getting rid of their continual annoyance. Many plans were discussed and rejected. At last a young mouse got up and proposed that a bell should be hung round the cat’s neck, that they might for the future always have notice of her coming, and so be able to escape.
This proposition was hailed with the greatest applause, and was agreed to at once unanimously. Upon which an old mouse, who had sat silent all the while, got up and said that he considered the contrivance most ingenious and that it would, no doubt, be quite successful. But he had only one short question, namely, who would bell the cat?
It is one thing to propose, another to execute.
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Are you really this stupid? Or is this just an act?
I think the stupidity is on WUWT where Deniers are so gullible they believe anything they read on another Denier’s blog.
So tossing out the “denier” flag means you don’t have to back up your climate claims?
Once the scientists that he agrees with have spoken, the science is settled and may not be questioned.
Scientists such as Al Gore, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Says a beetroot with the IQ of a turnip using a far-left, zero-credibility, media fake-fact-check, because he has nothing else to offer.
Tell us what we “DENY” that you can produce solid empirical scientific evidence for.
Or faceplant in your own BS .. as usual.
beetroot FAILS to produce.. yet again. !
The troll who believes whatever he’s told to believe is declaring that other people only believe what they are told to believe.
The irony positively drips.
Since you reject the 10s of thousands of peer reviewed scientific papers on Climate Change, we assume we marinate in your own universe with a different set of the laws of physics. Right?
THEN PRODUCE ONE that uses empirical science to prove warming by atmospheric CO2.
You continue to be a completely EMPTY zero-science arm-flapper.
The laws of physics, which you obviously have zero understanding of, show that CO2 cannot have any measurable warming effect in the atmosphere.
Warming by atmospheric has NEVER been observed or measured anywhere on the planets.
Think it has.. the PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE.
Don’t just yap !
1… Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.
2… Please show the evidence of CO2 warming in the UAH atmospheric data.
3… Please state the exact amount of CO2 warming in the last 45 year, giving measured scientific evidence for your answer.
Oh look… still absolutely NOTHING !
He has nothing he is a typical swirling eyed warmist/ alarmist buffoon who spend a lot of time denigrating the blog and regular commentators because that is all he has to run on.
Poor beetroot,
Totally INCAPABLE of ever discussing real science, tries to use a far-left bozo-driven fact-check as a crutch.
I don’t think I have seen anything more PATHETIC and LACKING IN CREDIBILITY.
I wonder why you felt the need to make the same comment again. I think we got the message the first time, namely that there is a lot of bias out there, particularly among “fact-checkers”. But I would comment that you are definitely helping WUWT keep up its MOSTLY FREE press rating. Try making sceptical comments on a warmist website and see how fast you get cancelled.
Ms Beeton must somehow think that quoting a far-left fake-media-fact-check, somehow means he can avoid arguing with actual science and real facts.
It is the ultimate admission that it has no science to back up anything it says.
I’ve never gotten a WUWT denizen to say he/she accepts mainstream science. Instead, there’s a lot of excuse-making and denial of the basic scientific facts that can be found in any university textbook on atmospheric physics.
Where do you stand?
Still EMPTY of anything remotely resembling science.
Poor beetroot.
Tell us what we “DENY” that you can produce solid empirical scientific evidence for.
Atmospheric physics shows that warming by atmospheric CO2 is basically zero or immeasurable.
I doubt you have ever been anywhere near any university textbook on atmospheric physics, let alone had the intellect to read and comprehend it.
You are just yapping EMPTY blather as usual.
You have yet to produce any empirical evidence to show warming by atmospheric CO2
Still waiting.. and everyone is watching and laughing at your petty attempts to avoid posting anything remotely scientific.
I love this belief of yours that if a majority of “scientists” agree with you, then nobody is allowed to disagree.
As to your worship of “peer reviewed”, you are aware aren’t you that peer review doesn’t mean the paper must be true. It just means that two or three people, who may or may not have any experience in the field being discussed on the paper, have spent an hour or two quickly reviewing the paper and haven’t found anything obviously wrong with it.
Do you have any idea how many “peer reviewed” papers have had to be withdrawn when problems were found with either the data or methods used?
Do you have any idea how many “peer reviewed” papers have had to be withdrawn when out and out fraud was discovered?
Your belief that “peer review” means that a paper is golden and can never be questioned is quaint. It also shows that your knowledge of science is so lacking that it discredits any point you may be trying to make.
one peer reviewed paper can be mistaken, or two, or three. But when 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers published in the most prestigious journals in the world (eg, Nature, or Science), written by thousands of researching scientists in every country of the developed world, confirm, affirm, or are consistent with the basic finding that man’s burning of fossil fuels are warming the planet faster than anytime in millennia, and that the net effects are harmful, that consensus(95-100% by multiple recent studies) means that basic finding is far more reliable than the unreviewed work of a few unskilled bloggers with no consistent theory to explain the observed behavior of the climate. It’s not even close.
Yet you still haven’t produced a single one.
Is it that you are totally INCAPABLE of doing so. !!
You just continue your EMPTY SCIENCE and EVIDENCE FREE blather.
You are so unaware in how much of science research is C.R.A.P!
Retraction Watch is one organization showing many science “research” papers gets retracted because it was exposed as C.R.A.P!
Try catching up the 21th century child.
LINK
Unsurprisingly, you reject science. That’s why I’m adding your name to my list of unrepentant Deniers.
Poor beetroot.
You really don’t have ANYTHING do you.
Your little list of realists.. roflmao
What a PATHETIC LITTLE CHILD you are.
“you reject science.”
No moron, it is Retraction Watch that reject NON-science.
SST must be shaking in his boots now he is on your petty little list 😉
Another repetition. Boring.
Extremely.
Not satisfied with spreading your lies once, you have to do it over and over again.
I would ask you if you are even capable of independent thought, but it is obvious you aren’t.
I’ve never gotten a WUWT denizen to say he/she accepts mainstream science. Instead, there’s a lot of excuse-making and denial of the basic scientific facts that can be found in any university textbook on atmospheric physics.
Where do you stand?
You would have to first define “Mainstream Science” before anyone could possibly answer your question about where anyone stands.
What is it and who is it?
You also could not include Einstein’s papers in that group you worship at anytime. Think about that for a while.
Peer reviewed papers, published in reliable scientific journals such as ‘Nature’ or ‘Science’. (Not in a pay to publish journal). And the secondary publications which summarize the peer reviewed science, eg the IPCC Assessments, or reports by the National Science Academies such as the Royal Society or the NAS
You have not produced ANYTHING to back up any of your claims.
A blanket reference to some journals you have heard of… is not science.
Still waiting…. expecting noting but empty blather.
1… Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.
2… Please show the evidence of CO2 warming in the UAH atmospheric data.
3… Please state the exact amount of CO2 warming in the last 45 year, giving measured scientific evidence for your answer.
Noted.
beetroot runs away from producing any evidence….. again.
The IPCC working groups are generally pretty rational. It’s the SPM that goes completely off the rails.
I’m guessing you’ve never read anything at Cimate Audit or Retraction Watch regarding the fallibility of peer reviewed literature. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs.
I also find it amazing that peer reviewed papers in every field except “climate science” are often wrong. Why is that?
Climate Audit is a Denier blog. It’s worthless.
beetroots are worthless…. not even good for burgers.
Climate Audit is run by people with several magnitudes more scientific ability integrity and credibility than a beetroot could ever manage,.
And STILL the beetroot is empty of any actual evidence of anything
You have NOT produce a single scientific fact backed by evidence.
We can only assume you DON’T HAVE ANY.
And we can be absolutely sure you have never read and understood any university level science on atmospheric physics.
You do not have that capability.
Harold the Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: Warren and Everyone
RE: CO2 Does Not Cause Warning Of Air.
Shown in the graphic (See below) are plots of air temperatures at the Furnace Creek weather station in Death Valley from 1922 to 2001. In 1922, the concentration of CO2 was 303 ppmv (0.595 g/cu. m. of air), and by 2001 it had increased to 371 ppmv (0.729 g/cu. m. of air), but there was no corresponding increase in the temperature of the air. The reason CO2 caused no warming of air is quite simple: There is too little CO2 in the air.
The empirical temperature data from this remote arid desert falsifies the claim by the IPCC that CO2 causes warming of air, and hence by extension
“global warming”.
The claim by the IPCC since 1988 that CO2 causes “global warming” is a fabrication and a deliberate lie. The purpose of this lie is to provide the UN the justification for the distribution of funds, via the UNFCCC and the
UN COP, from the rich donor countries to all of the poor countries to help them cope with “global warming” and “climate change”. The yearly budgets for these UN organization is many billions of funds At the recent COP29 conference, the poor countries came clamoring not for billions but trillions
of funds.
When president-elect Donald Trump takes next January, he will put an end to the greatest scientific fraud since the Piltdown man.
NB: The graphic was obtained from the late John Daly’s website:
“Still Waiting for Greenhouse” available at: http://www.John-Daly.com.
From the home page scroll down and click on “Station Temperature Data”.
On the World Map”, click on “NA” and the click on “Pacific”. Finally, scroll down and click on “Death Valley”. John Daly found many weather stations around world that showed no significant temperature increases.
That’s convincing 🤣. Have you submitted your work to a peer reviewed scientific journal for publication? I can’t wait to see it after expert review. Or what’s left of it 😂
Your comment show you are totally devoid of any scientific understanding.
You remain totally devoid of any evidence to back up anything you say.
You are a scientific non-entity with the IQ of a turnip.
No journal would never publish my comment because I have accused the IPCC of lying and perpetrating scientific fraud. Unfortunately, many politicians and people still believe that CO2 causes global warming and climate change.
This belief about CO2 causing global warming has resulted in severe economic disruptions in the UK and Germany, for example. The UK just closed their last electrical power plant at the start of winter.
In California, Gov. Gavin N. wants phase out all cars and light trucks with gas and Diesel engines by 2035. All the companies are pledging to be net zero carbon emissions by 2050. Many protesters are be demanding a phase out of fossil fuels. This is all crazy, and it will never happen.
BTW: Where do you live? Has winter set started?
I live in an mid-Atlantic state, where we’ve experienced the hottest year on record. Caused by the highest atmospheric CO2 concentration in 15 million years.
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You , I see, lack a science education. Some remedial reading for you: https://climate.nasa.gov
Yep, that is aimed at remedial reading classes…. for 10-year-olds.
A nebulous link to propaganda pap, devoid of actual scientific evidence of anything.
It contains ZERO actual science, and ZERO evidence of any CO2 warming.
If you think it does, then pinpoint it for us.
And if you think that link is actual “science”, it really shows the extremely LOW level of science your mind is capable of working at.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I live some hundreds of miles west of you and my State hasn’t come close to experiencing its hottest temperature on record. Not even close.
You must be referring to that bogus global temperature, not a State regional temperature.
The first 11 months of the year were the warmest such period for the continental United States in 130 years of records. 22 states had their record-warmest first 11 months of the year.
zero fact.
Here are all 3 temperature records for the USA since 2016.
Absolutely nothing unusual happening… near zero trend..
You brain-washing is creating its own BS.
Awww and you are suffering deeeeeeply Ias you are sitting in a chair sipping from a Camelback bag to stay hydrated yet still spends hours posting bogus babble here in a blog you hate anyway.
You must be a permanent bachelor.
How come 15 mln years it was substantially warmer than today? About 4 deg C warmer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record
It must have been something other than CO2 that caused higher temperatures 15 mln years ago. How come these natural factors are not working now?
The content of CO2 in the atmosphere increased 3-4 times during the PETM. Regardless of whether it comes from cars, factories or from non-human sources, CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and it causes the atmosphere to warm.
You have FAILED completely to produce any science to back up your CO2 warming conjecture.
Nearly all the last 10,000 years has been warmer than now.
Absolutely NOTHING to do with CO2.
Seems you are IGNORANT of the effects of El Ninos.
IGNORANCE of the difference between weather and climate.
And USA UAH48 data shows you are either LYING or DELUDED.. (or both)
Harold the Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: Warren
RE: Greenhouse Gases: H20 vs CO2
At the MLO in Hawaii, the concentration of CO2 in dry air is 422 ppmv. One cubic meter of this air has a mere 0.829 g of CO2 and a mass of 1.29 kg at STP.
In air with a temperature of 70 deg. F and with 70% RH, the concentration of H2O gas is 14,780 ppmv. One cubic meter of this air has 11.9 g of H20, a mass of 1.20 kg, and 0.77 g of CO2.
To the first approximation and all things being equal, the proportion of the greenhouse effect (GHE) due to H2O is given by:
GHE for H2O = 11.9 g / 11.9 g + 0.77g = 0.94 or 94%
This simple calculation assumes that a H2O molecule and a CO2 molecule absorb about the same amount of IR light.
Keep in mind that 71% of the earth’s surface is covered with
H2O and the wind is a major force that sweeps H2O out the oceans onto the land.
H2O is by far the major greenhouse gas and CO2 is a minor trace greenhouse gas. There little CO2 in the air. This why it takes many months to food crops such as wheat peaches.
Well pin a bright shiny star on your cap.
HA HA HA HA HA,
You can’t even try a simple counterpoint to Harolds comment thus you are empty handed as usual.
You are pathetic!
Harold’s post is a perfect example of why only peer reviewed science can be trusted. And yet Sunsetommy naively takes it as gospel!
Harold’s post is actual science, which you have NO ANSWER TO.
Don’t have the scientific ability to understand it.
Where is it incorrect.???
You cannot say, because you are totally ignorant of anything to do with actual science..
The problem with a unified energy policy at the Federal level is that the Federal mechanism is guaranteed to not always be guided by sane people.
We are the United STATES. Not United People, not democratic. The 50 experiments must continue thus an Electoral College and Congressional Representatives even if those independent states result in slavery and California. I expect the latter to be resolved much the same as the prior.
The US would be much healthier if we could go back to having Senators be appointed by state legislatures.
The job of the Senate as outlined by the founding fathers was to look after the interests of the various states. Making the Senate be a popular vote election guaranteed the rapid growth of the federal government.
I would encourage more of these lawsuits with one stipulation, all individuals and organizations involved with bringing the lawsuit are disconnected from the grid win or lose. I hate to see them looking like hypocrites let’s join together and give them what they want. They don’t want fossil fuel or nuclear energy? That’s fine we can help you achieve that.
A treaty is not valid if the Senate withholds its consent, but there is no rule of double jeopardy. If the Senate votes a treaty down, there is nothing that prevents any President from resubmitting the Treaty, as many times as he wishes. Submitting a treaty so that it will be voted down is just a waste of time and effort.
You’re forgetting that the fundamental reason for the IPCC is to prove that there is a global crisis that the UN must govern, and thus take a major step in turning the UN into a world government.
I was a dyed in the wool skeptic of CAGW until less than an hour ago, but evidence has now convinced me we must all be doomed. I heard a great gaggle of geese being rather loud. Popping outdoors, I looked up at the source of the noise and there was a longish line of geese flying — N-NW — on December 19th! Not only that, they really were arranged pretty much in a long line perpendicular to their line of flight; none of that energy saving V arrangement!
It must be climate change. What else could account for such aberrant behaviour?