International and state interference in US energy policy must end

Trump and the Supreme Court should restore our national energy and climate sovereignty

Paul Driessen

America has long considered Europe an exemplar and leader in cultural and political thought. We’ve frequently cited European laws, policies and viewpoints as guidance for how the United States should change or behave on multiple issues.

Even after the USA eclipsed the Euro continent economically, militarily and (some say) culturally this past century, we have generally continued to do this. In recent years, we’ve even done so on energy policy, in response to claims that Earth’s climate is changing dangerously due to man’s activities.

We’ve done it despite witnessing how German, British and European electricity prices have skyrocketed, industries have lost millions of jobs, and people cannot afford to heat their homes properly, because of those climate and energy policies.

President Obama unilaterally followed Europe in signing the Paris climate treaty, obligating America to stop using abundant, reliable, affordable fossil fuels; switch to expensive, unreliable, weather-dependent wind and solar power for electricity generation, transportation, manufacturing and defense; pay “developing countries” tens of billions a year in “reparations” for climate change; and let UN and foreign politicians and bureaucrats exert control over America’s future.

Trump45 withdrew the USA from the pact. President Biden re-subjugated us. Trump47 plans to pull us out again – but should also send the treaty to the Senate for prompt attention, debate and likely rejection under our Constitution’s “treaty clause” (Article II, Section 2), as should have been done years ago.

That would be a major step in meeting his pledge for renewed commonsense regulation, energy dominance and resurgent economic vitality. 

Meanwhile, a week after Mr. Trump’s reelection as President, a legal ruling at The Hague shows European views on energy policy may likewise be moving back toward common sense.

On November 12, The Hague’s Appeals Court judges overturned a May 2021 District Court order requiring that Shell Oil Company accelerate its greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions reduction levels to 45% by 2030, using the company’s 2019 GHG emissions as a benchmark.

The 45% ruling reflected Paris Agreement goals and would have applied to Shell’s direct and indirect operational emissions (drilling, production, refining and pipelines), as well as emissions by its oil and natural gas customers worldwide. If the lower court opinion had stood, Shell would have been compelled to more than double its “net carbon intensity” reductions beyond its existing pledge.

The appellate judges refused to impose any specific reduction targets for Shell, citing the company’s substantial emissions reduction efforts, plus insufficient scientific consensus around GHG reduction percentages needed by individual energy companies.

Unfortunately, they still held that Shell had a general legal duty to curb the effects of climate change. How that might happen – amid rapidly growing GHG emissions by China, India, Indonesia, Vietnam and other rapidly developing countries – the judges did not say.

Other than “red counties” and the new Trump Administration, is America moving toward common sense? The jury is still out, as 30-plus U.S. state and local climate lawsuits are still pending. However, there is at least one bright spot among all that litigation.

In July, a circuit court in Maryland dismissed the City of Baltimore’s lawsuit alleging violations of Maryland’s nuisance, trespass and deceptive marketing laws by multiple energy companies. Judge Videtta Brown ruled that emissions produced outside Maryland were beyond the authority of state law.

She also called the city’s efforts to hold energy companies accountable for supposed misinformation an attempt “to get in the back door what they cannot get in the front door.”

This was the third climate lawsuit against energy companies dismissed (New York City’s in 2021) or narrowed in scope (Delaware’s earlier this year), with claims deemed largely preempted by federal law.

Judge Brown’s analysis reflects pro-industry arguments presented by 19 state attorneys general, alleging before the Supreme Court that lawsuits spearheaded by Connecticut, California, New Jersey, Minnesota and Rhode Island attempt to regulate energy and commerce across all 50 states.

It’s noteworthy that states with the greatest focus on climate change and wind, solar and battery power already have the most expensive residential electricity in America’s Lower 48. At 13.9¢ per kilowatt-hour, Maryland is well behind California (19.9¢), Massachusetts (21.1¢) and Connecticut (21.6¢), but pricier than Louisiana (9.4¢), Tennessee (10.8¢) and 32 others.

Despite Maryland’s legal bright spot, however, the other 30-plus cases are charging ahead – because green activists have rigged court systems in their favor.

Activists at the Environmental Law Institute’s Climate Judiciary Project (CJP) have helped “educate” more than 3,000 judges on how to understand the “facts” of climate change as related to legal issues. Even more disturbing, CJP’s materials were crafted by activists who advise state attorneys general and municipalities in these cases and/or support their claims through legal briefs.

It’s all part of a coordinated “think global, sue local” strategy – except no thought is given to global GHG emissions from China, India or other developing countries. It also hampers efforts to develop reliable,  affordable, accessible coal, oil and gas; and easier for state and local governments to mandate and subsidize expensive, intermittent, environmentally destructive wind, solar and battery electricity.

These cases permeate liberal state politics and affect American consumers nationwide.

Liberal state politicians want “green, renewable” electricity but know it’s expensive. To make it seem cheaper, they support tax-funded and deficit-increasing subsidies – and states and municipalities that drag energy companies into $5-trillion tobacco-style legal settlements, to help pay for an ultimately $100-trillion pseudo-renewable energy infrastructure. 

Of course, consumers across America will eventually foot this bill via rate hikes and higher taxes – along with lost jobs, lower living standards and blackouts – to support alarmist policies and the “privilege” of having unreliable “green” power for an all-electricity society.

Climate fearmongers think voters and consumers are powerless to stop this, since the process is playing out in state courts, where climate realist views and votes don’t count.

However, President-elect Trump has numerous energy and climate options at his disposal. Perhaps more important, the US Supreme Court has signaled an interest in hearing two climate cases: City & County of Honolulu v. Sunoco and Alabama v. California.

The court could rule that energy companies are not legitimate lawsuit targets for the “climate crime” of producing what America and humanity need to survive and thrive. It may also say federal courts have jurisdiction in these cases, and are the proper venue, because fossil fuel use, greenhouse gas emissions and climate change are interstate, regional, national and international in nature – and no state, much less any municipality, has jurisdiction or authority to impose narrow, provincial interpretations of law, science and commerce on the rest of the country and world.

Hopefully, the Supreme Court will follow the Hague’s common sense in hearing these cases and ruling in favor of fossil fuel energy that truly is the foundation of health, welfare, prosperity and security.

Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of books and articles on energy, environment, climate and human rights issues.

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December 19, 2024 6:06 am

Amendment 28

   Section 1

   Congress shall make no law to regulate, 
   tax, sequester or license atmospheric 
   carbon dioxide. 

   The right of the people to freely emit 
   carbon dioxide into the atmosphere from 
   any source, from any place at any time 
   in any amount shall not be interfered with.

   Section 2

   All activity commercial or private within 
   the United States and all territory subject 
   to the jurisdiction thereof for the purposes
   of altering climate is prohibited.

   The Congress and the several States shall 
   have concurrent power to enforce this article 
   by appropriate legislation.
______________________________________

Or something like that.

Scissor
Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 6:32 am

It would seem that forcing the will of the climate cult upon us is already prohibited under the first. More fundamentally, the human rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, as spelled out in the Declaration of Independence, should be taken to heart by all politicians and bureaucrats.

Duane
Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 7:30 am

Constitutional amendments are nearly impossible to enact due to the requirements in the Constitution.

However, Congress has full authority to make laws that affect international and interstate commerce. The Clean Air Act never authorized pollution controls on CO2 – it was only a EPA finding under Obama that turned CO2 into a pollution. SCOTUS will sooner or later – perhaps 2025 we’d hope – nullify that EPA finding as having no basis in Congressional law making.

Perhaps it would be helpful also to amend the CAA to specifically exclude the so-called greenhouse gases from regulation under the CAA. Whether SCOTUS does this or Congress does this, it will get done.

But the GOP Senate leaders are going to have to reform the filibuster rules to amend the CAA. They’ll have to do that on a host of other matters. The filibuster as currently construed has no Constitutional basis other than that Congress is allowed to make its own rules. The Senate should not be held to a super majority vote to enact legislation. The filubuster needs to return to its roots which was to be an encouragement of extended debate in the Senate … not to defeat the democratic desires of the people.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Duane
December 19, 2024 8:13 am

They need the same number of votes to change the filibuster rule as it takes to end an on-going filibuster.

Reply to  Duane
December 19, 2024 12:04 pm

CAA stands for Clean Air Act

Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 12:06 pm

Sorry it was in the 1st Paragraph

Dave Fair
Reply to  Duane
December 19, 2024 1:46 pm

The purpose of the Senate in our Republic (among other Constitutional provisions) is to put the brakes on mob (democracy) rule. Just think what our country would look like if there were no Electoral College.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 8:09 am

I would not limit it to CO2. Any emissions of power generation that do not have a direct and immediate effect on human health should be worded into that somehow.

We know the difference between pollutants and non-pollutants, regardless of how EPA frames the definitions.

CO2 and methane are not health hazards except in extraordinary concentrations.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 19, 2024 11:16 am

Wrong. They are greenhouse gases and cause warming of the climate

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:08 pm

Got any evidence today?

Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 12:11 pm

You;re not serious of course? Oh, sorry, I forgot. This is WUWT and few on WUWT read any science or can recognize evidence.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:54 pm
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
December 19, 2024 12:58 pm

YGTBK. This guy denies the GHE entirely But it’s what you get when you think Science is what appears on Youtube instead of in peer reviewed scientific papers.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:25 pm

Please produce scientific evidence, not mindless blather.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:28 pm

Then again, we have you, who thinks that unless it’s a pal reviewed article, it’s a lie.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 1:39 pm

So you don’t accept the findings of scientific research. You’d rather pontificate without supporting analysis or criticism from a real expert. Iow, you are a classic Denier

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:53 pm

Findings change. Newtons Laws work fine but are incomplete. Same with Einstein. Nobody claimed this until later work showed it.

The only thing that doesn’t change is the opinion of true believers. They spend all their time believing one thing only, which is called faith not science.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:50 pm

So you don’t accept the findings of scientific research.”

DO YOU ???

8 Taiwanese Engineers Determine The Climate Sensitivity To A 300 ppm CO2 Increase Is ‘Negligibly Small’

 tripling atmospheric CO2 from 100 ppm to 400 ppm produces a “negligibly small” 0.3°C warming effect. This temperature change is only associated with the increase from 100 ppm to 350 ppm and includes no additional warming as CO2 rises from 350 ppm to 400 ppm.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 20, 2024 6:25 am

Has Richard Greene seen this!? 🙂

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:51 pm

without supporting analysis”

Mirror, mirror.

That is exactly what YOU are doing.

Regurgitating mindless anti-science AGW antra.

DEVOID OF ACTUAL SCIENCE.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 4:19 pm

Explain what he has wrong.

Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
December 19, 2024 5:30 pm

Most everything. For corrections, go here: https://www.ipcc.ch/report/sixth-assessment-report-cycle/

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:26 pm

few on WUWT read any science or can recognize evidence.”

We are waiting for you to produce one piece of science.

Seems you have only mindless blather.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:27 pm

In other words, once again, you have no evidence.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 1:37 pm

there is an overwhelming amount of evidence in the scientific literature. Have you read the IPCc Assesments? Or the National Acadeny of Sciences reports? Or the Royal Society? I await your answer

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:48 pm

there is an overwhelming amount of evidence in the scientific literature:

THEN PRODUCE SOME.. !!

and stop your mindless blather. !

Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 4:24 pm

Go read those sources and stop whining

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:07 pm

Oh dear , another post from the beetroot saying “I HAVE NOTHING”

I have read them, they don’t contain the evidence.

If you had read them, which you obviously haven’t, you would know that.

Come on mutt, point to a specific section, not a nebulous political summary.

You know you can’t.

Derg
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 3:51 pm

Science denier

Dave Fair
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:01 pm

Given the Enhanced Greenhouse Effect theory (water vapor amplifies any minor CO2 warming in the troposphere) as embedded in CliSciFi models, explain the lack of a measurable Tropospheric Hotspot.

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 19, 2024 5:07 pm

The presence or lack of a tropospheric hot spot has no bearing on whether the warming can be attributed to man caused warming due to atmospheric CO2. You won’t find any different conclusion in the published scientific literature.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:24 pm

So, still absolutely NOTHING except empty non-science blather.

What a monkey you are proving yourself to be.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 1:12 pm

Now you are just LYING!

Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 20, 2024 1:22 pm

Well, all you have to do, Sunsettomy, is to post a scientific report that contradicts my post. Unfortunately for you, my post is the unanimous conclusion of research, so as they say, you are SOL.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 8:09 pm

You;re not serious of course?”

That is the beetroot saying HE HAS NO EVIDENCE.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 6:20 am

Skeptics recognize evidence and we recognize when there is no evidence, too.

Skeptics say Climate Alarmists don’t have any evidence proving their claims about how CO2 interacts with the Earth’s atmosphere.

You pretend you have this evidence. But you don’t.

If you had any evidence, you would present it, rather than just claim it exists.

You don’t have any evidence. What you have is an opinion.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 20, 2024 6:33 am

I’ve posted sources with evidence multiple times. Yet you refuse to read or even acknowledge it.
Do you have any concept of the mounds of evidence presented in the 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers published over the last couple of decades? Do you have any knowledge of how that evidence affirms the findings of 99% of the thousands of researching scientists around the world?
ignorance and a stupefying lack of interest in reading those sources seem to be your hallmark.
Here, one more time, is an overview of that evidence. https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 11:23 am

You haven’t read them, that is obvious.

There is absolutely nothing in the NASA link proving CO2 causes warming.

If you think there is.. which section.

It is all just a propaganda pap designed to fool ignorant people like you.

There is absolutely no way any person with more that a single brain cell could ever class the link as “science”

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 21, 2024 4:05 am

“I’ve posted sources with evidence multiple times.”

You obviously don’t know what evidence is. You think speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions are evidence. They are not, and that is all that Climate Alarmist science is made of.

Even your IPCC doesn’t support what you think it supports. Look up “chaotic systems” in the IPCC studies.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 21, 2024 4:36 am

I accept the IPCC reports as the most reliable summary of the current state of the science. Vs WUWT Deniers, who think science is whatever an uneducated non expert posts on its website.

Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 1:39 pm

And the beetroot FAILS yet again to produce any evidence.

It is obvious it is only here as petty attention-seeking, with zero intent of actually looking at or producing any real science.

Editor
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:09 pm

You are probably right about that, although the jury is still out and in any case the effect is not great. If you think global warming is dangerous, talk to China, because no-one else can make a difference while China is building two new coal fired power stations per week. If, however, you can see that global warming is a net benefit (plant growth, food production, fewer winter deaths, etc) then please encourage the USA and others to produce more of it (not that we yet know of any efficient method).

Reply to  Mike Jonas
December 19, 2024 12:18 pm
  1. I don’t ‘believe’ global warming is dangerous; but I do accept the findings of peer reviewed science Do you?
  2. Are you now looking to China’s behavior as the criteria for deciding if the findings of Science re: the problem of global warming are valid? What kind of logic is that?
  3. Are you saying that the peer reviewed science finds that the net effects global warming are beneficial? You’ll have to show me, since as far as I know, such conclusions are not found in the body of scientific literature.
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:53 pm

1… Great that you accept peer reviewed science…

No warming by CO2 from 350-400ppm, only 0.3 from 100-350ppm

We are still waiting for you to produce one piece of empirical scientific evidence that current changes in atmospheric CO2 cause any warming or other climate effects.

You wouldn’t have the vaguest clue what is in the scientific literature, because you don’t have the intelligence to read or understand it.

You are just making stupid and meaningless hand-waving gestures.

And DENIAL of the massive benefits the warming and increased CO2 and use of fossil since the LIA have produced..

.. is a sign of absolute ignorance on your behalf.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:54 pm

It would be pointless. Your mind is closed to considering alternatives. You are not programmed to respond in that area.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 19, 2024 1:03 pm

Oh, you have an alternative Physics? I thought there was only one set of the Laws of Physics. Have you ever read the peer reviewed science on climate change? Or are you a real Denier?

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:24 pm

You have zero understanding of Physics, you have made that obvious.

Still waiting for you to produce one comment that contains anything remotely related to scientific evidence.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:30 pm

Your mind is as simple as your understanding of physics.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 8:12 pm

“Oh, you have an alternative Physics?”

If you look in many “climate science” papers, they are built on “alternative physics”. A sort of twisted fantasy version of reality.

You are just too dumb to read or understand that fact.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:29 pm

So, if two or three “scientists” get together and declare something to be true, then it is true and nobody may ever question this finding.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:17 pm

Answers: 1. No. 2. and 3., see 1. There is abundant evidence that climate “science” is political and rent-seeking in nature. Plus, read any honest assessment of the operations of the UN IPCC.

Arguments that rely on the truthfulness of politicians, government bureaucrats, crony capitalists, and grant-seeking and ideologically-driven academics have no sway with me. You don’t even seem to follow the “trust but verify” philosophy of the great President Ronald Reagan.

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 19, 2024 5:24 pm

There is no evidence that climate science is political nor have you presented any. But there is plenty of evidence that Deniers:
1) Post horse puckey when asked about the behavior of the climate.
2) Post different versions of horse puckey because they can’t agree on the causes of the behavior of the climate (or on the behavior itself) — ie, they have no consistent scientific theory.
3) They refuse to read the publications of real scientists who study the climate, or
4) Their refuse to admit it, because they don’t want to lose face among their Denier buddies
5) They lack a scientific education
6) But then say you dont need to know science to have a strong (and wrong) opinion on the research findings.
7) They say scientific expertise isn’t important –but then they go a medical doctor when they need medical help. Consistency is not their strong suit.
8) Etc Etc

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:11 pm

Yet you did not present ANYTHING except empty moronic blather.

You poor empty sack of excrement.

Still waiting for empiricial scientific evidence..

.. you are still FAILING COMPLETELY to produce any..

1… Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

2… Please show the evidence of CO2 warming in the UAH atmospheric data.

3… Please state the exact amount of CO2 warming in the last 45 year, giving measured scientific evidence for your answer.

Still waiting !!

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:24 pm

They lack a scientific education”

Mirror, mirror, on the wall.

Who is the most scientifically ignorant of them all !

Beetroot, of course. !!

sherro01
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 3:03 pm

Warren Beeton,
In 2017 I asked our Australian Bureau of Meteorology to correct some apparent errors in their publications. They declined and suggested that to gain discussion, I would need to publish in a peer reviewed journal.
The publication of research in peer-reviewed scientific journals is not appropriate when it is at a low level of science. In my case, it was little more taxing than addition and subtraction of numbers. In my experienced scientific opinion, publication should be restricted by the choice of authors to matters able to have significant impact on the advance of science.
Admission of low grade papers obviously floods the publication process and makes it more difficult for readers to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Then, of course, there is the recently intensifying problem of some prestige journals like Lancet publishing, then retracting, erroneous science that was composed and reviewed in first instance by people with belief dominating data. I know of no cure for this other than creating criminal offences.
Peer review can be good, but it can also be misused. It is not a panacea. Geoff S

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:55 pm

The modest warming is not an immediate health hazard.

MarkW
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 19, 2024 1:31 pm

Far from being a threat, it’s 100% beneficial.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:26 pm

Even if true, warming is not a health hazard, it is in fact very beneficial to life.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 1:34 pm

Where do you find that conclusion in the scientific literature?

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:01 pm

Where do you find opposite conclusions in the scientific literature?

You keep ignoring the requests to tell us.

Reply to  doonman
December 19, 2024 4:56 pm

Do you not know where to find peer reviewed science? Most people learn that in High School. Try the IPCC Assessments, reports by the Royal Society, or the National Academy of Sciences. Or NASA. I expect a) this will be entirely new to you, and b) you wont understand a bit of it

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 7:01 pm

Seem the beetroot learn absolutely nothing at high school. !

And has diligently maintained that lack of intelligence and knowledge to this very day.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:53 pm

Do you.. you have failed totally to produce any.

We can only assume YOU DON’T HAVE ANY.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:57 pm

May cause warming, depending on other climatic factors. There is serious scientific debate as to the actual warming that would be the result of any particular concentration of atmospheric CO2.

History seems to indicate that CO2 levels are not a significant driver of global temperatures. Do some research beyond CliSciFi models that don’t track with historical climate.

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 19, 2024 4:35 pm

your post is hosed. Completely contradicted by all science.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:13 pm

Completely contradicted by all science.”

How would you know ???

You have zero scientific understanding..

…. and zero scientific evidence.

You keep proving that.

Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 9:36 am

Has to be at least 50 pages longer.

Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 11:07 am

I prefer “Americans have the right to safe and healthy water, air, and climate, and is obligated to pass legislation that may be required to assure these protections.”

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:36 am

They already have the right to be stupid, as your posts demonstrate.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:44 pm

You cannot have any of those things without a very reliable electricity structure.

The infection by wind and solar destroy the reliability of the electricity supply system.

Unreliable electricity from wind and solar creates massive safety issues, disrupts the ability to provide safe water, as well as destroying the environment at every stage of mining, manufacture, installation, use and final disposal after their short life-span.

There is no evidence that the massive benefits of using hydrocarbon fuels has any effect on “the climate”, but if you stop using them, civilisations collapse.

Civilisation is what provides safe and healthy water and air.

Do you really want to go back to the dark ages??

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 1:32 pm

I remember I young socialist I debated some years back.
He declared that he had no interest in being relatively safe, he demanded to be absolutely safe and that it was government’s job to guarantee this.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 2:04 pm

Mommy Daddy syndrome. It is rampant with people who refuse to grow up. That’s why they WANT to live in their parents basements.

You want that to change in America? Reinstate the draft.

Someone
Reply to  MarkW
December 20, 2024 10:57 am

The Government cannot guarantee safety even in prisons.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:28 pm

The individual rights of Americans are secured by the Bill of Rights (first 10 Amendments) in our Constitution. The limits to collective and governmental powers are constrained by the totality of the Constitution.

Hey, as a fun exercise define objectively safe climate(s).

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 20, 2024 6:46 am

The Congress could name it: “The Safe Climate Act”.

Then we could all feel safe. No more bad weather.

Someone
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 20, 2024 11:01 am

As long as we diligently pay carbon tithes.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steve Case
December 19, 2024 1:27 pm

Do not put transitory policy/political issues in our Constitution. There is always the law of unintended consequences and you can’t predict future political, judicial and scientific specifics.

Beta Blocker
December 19, 2024 6:46 am

The way to kill the wind & solar industry is to end the subsidies which keep it alive. But at the federal level, the Congress isn’t likely to end those subsidies. Which means the incoming Trump administration must find some other way to strangle that industry.

Another very big problem is happening right now inside the Congress which illustrates where it stands with regard to the incoming Trump team and their plans for reforming the federal government.

Roughly 90% of the Continuing Resolution bill now in front of the Congress is verbiage which will force the incoming Trump administration to keep almost all of the current regulatory system in place, making it immune from the reforms that Elon Musk and the D.O.G.E. are intending to implement.

Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 19, 2024 7:32 am

“But at the federal level, the Congress isn’t likely to end those subsidies.”

Well, if Congress passes a bill with more subsidies, can’t Trump veto it?

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 19, 2024 7:48 am

Yes, he can veto it. But will he? The Congress, even under the Republicans, is determined to defend the status quo. We will see what Trump is made of when the inevitable happens; i.e., that the Congress decides to keep massive spending for renewable energy subsidies, and for many other kinds of government spending, on the books in defiance of Trump’s commitment to end them.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 19, 2024 8:04 am

Might want to state what the voting requirement is to override a Presidential Veto. 2/3 in each chamber.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 19, 2024 1:34 pm

Not till he’s in office. If Biden signs it during the remainder of his term, there is nothing Trump can do.

Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 19, 2024 8:20 am

The CR died late yesterday.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 8:45 am

Let’s see if they hold firm.

MarkW
Reply to  Beta Blocker
December 19, 2024 1:35 pm

There’s a first time for everything.

Reply to  MarkW
December 20, 2024 6:59 am

U.S. Senator Kennedy (R-LA) said yesterday trying to control Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives was like trying to control free-range chickens.

The real problem is Republicans need Democrat votes to pass a continuing resolution, and Democrats want to extract their pound of flesh from any deal, and many Republicans don’t want to give the Democrats anything, which is probably a good idea, but maybe not very practical considering the situation.

I think the Republicans have a new deal going and will be voting on something in the next few minutes. The kind of deal they are trying to make has not been made public yet.

Elon Musk showed a picture of the first CR bill of 1500 pages, which failed, and compared it to the substitute CR bill of 150 pages, which also failed, by putting both stacks of pages side-by-side. The picture of the difference in the size of the bills was striking.

The U.S. government wastes so much money that I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon Musk and Vivek did find two TRILLION dollars worth of waste, fraud, abuse and funding really stupid programs.

December 19, 2024 6:54 am

Once a government program to subsidize something starts, it never goes away.*

There is broad general agreement that our ethanol mandates do nothing to reduce gas consumption or emissions. But the mandates exist, nonetheless.

Trump has his work cut out for him in rolling back Biden’s Green New Deal laws and policies. Many Republicans support the sections that send money to their districts or states.

*Never? No, not literally never. And yes, I’m mixing subsidies and mandates.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
December 19, 2024 5:06 pm

Trump has his work cut out for him in rolling back Biden’s Green New Deal laws and policies. “

And some future admin will just reverse it all. All this whipsawing back and forth can’t be good for anyone, except lawyers.

Sparta Nova 4
December 19, 2024 8:06 am

Many of the impetus behind these various acts of nonsense is executive order or agency overreach.

Executive orders are easy, although I would prefer and advise and consent provision on all executive orders, but that is not in play today.

Agency overreach will likely need judicial rulings or legislation.

A lot of work ahead.

December 19, 2024 9:01 am

MEDIA BIAS FACT CHECK:

  • Overall, we rate Watts Up with That a strong pseudoscience and conspiracy website based on promoting consistent human-influenced climate denialism propaganda and several failed fact checks.

Detailed ReportBias Rating: CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
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Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 9:33 am

clown, this is all you got

Pure projection.

Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 9:38 am

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Mr.
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 10:14 am

Rational adults observation =

Warren Beeton
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Reply to  Mr.
December 19, 2024 11:20 am

Think you over estimated.

Warren Beeton
Detailed Bias Rating: BRAIN-WASHED ANTI-SCIENCE CULTISM
Factual Reporting: BELOW ZERO, EMPTY BLATHER
Credibility Rating: AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEWER.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:37 pm

And of course, whatever the party tells you to believe, you believe with all your heart.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 2:16 pm

True Believers are all like that. Been so for centuries. Somebody has to sell them on it first though, which is why faith based communities exist at all.

Unfortunately, true belief allows other people to sell them breeding mules. It’s practical to live by the Missouri state motto.

Erik Magnuson
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 9:40 am

The ratings says more about MBFC than WUWT.

Most “Fact Check” sites do anything but check facts.

WUWT acts more as a “public review” as opposed to a “peer review” of climate related articles. IMHO, public review seems to work better job of weeding BS than peer review.

Reply to  Erik Magnuson
December 19, 2024 9:49 am

If you want to talk “peer review”, you should check the peer reviewed science. It debunks most of what appears on WUWT.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 10:30 am

It doesn’t, actually..

Reply to  Leo Smith
December 19, 2024 10:33 am

Yeah it does. What passes for ‘science ‘ on WUWT is mostly hand waving and conspiracy theory.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:15 am

Let’s see you produce some actual science.

You know you NEVER will. !

All you have ever had is empty blather, devoid of facts or intelligence.

Let’s start with the very basics.

Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

Not erroneous theory, not simplistic fake models, not assumptions and conjectures.. actual empirical science.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 11:38 am

Like this will ever happen.

Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 1:41 pm

beetroot has had time to produce the evidence…

and has FAILED UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY every time.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 5:25 pm

Yep. Nothing but a Chinese New Year noise maker.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:38 am

More projection and gaslighting.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:13 am

Yet you can NEVER produce single one bit of peer reviewed science to support any of your brain-washed cult beliefs.

Funny about that. !

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:37 am

Liar.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:39 pm

I bet you don’t even know what peer review is and how it operates.
Like most low information types you believe that certain magic words have the power to reshape reality into something more to your liking.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 1:41 pm

And you would be very wrong.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:19 pm

Who peer reviewed Einstein?

Oops, he had no peers. Another of your assumptions trashed by observation.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:56 pm

You have proven MarkW absolutely correct.

You have no peer-reviewed science to back up your petty rantings..

…. otherwise you could produce it…

… but you continue to just flap your arms like a Walz muppet..

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 9:25 pm

you should check the peer reviewed science”

Poor beetroot,

Doesn’t realise that basically everything discussed on WUWT is based on actual peer-reviewed science and verifiable facts.

It is what debunks the AGW alarmist nonsense.

Apart from that, I bet he can’t present one bit of evidence to counter anything raised in the main post.

“Headless chook” doesn’t even start to describe his antics. !

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:11 am

So Media Bias Check , who is massively biased to the far left, doesn’t like WUWT

SO WHAT !!

They have ZERO credibility.. just like you have zero credibility.

You are a petty, brain-washed, ignorant twit, totally unable to support anything you say or believe with anything remotely approaching science or fact.

An empty sack has more intelligence and credibility than you are ever capable of.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 12:58 pm

He is only here to argue hoping to score debate points. He is not here to learn or gain a better understanding of life, the universe, and everything.

Just a troll.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 19, 2024 1:29 pm

hoping to score debate points”

And FAILING utterly and completely because he is totally incapable of presenting anything of any credibility or substance.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:36 pm

This piece of propaganda really does impress you.
Are you going to spam it over every article from now on?

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 2:24 pm

Arguing with True Believers is useless. Read Eric Hoffer’s 1951 book again. Its not a secret.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 5:10 pm

What was it that Facebook had to admit in court? That their “fact checkers” were actually just opinion providers? I don’t see any difference with MBFC.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 5:12 pm

You know, you could apply this exact “fact check” result to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC…

Mr.
December 19, 2024 10:22 am

Look no further for confirmation of Trump’s observations about “the enemy within” regarding the US governments myriad bureaucracies than what is currently happening with the defunct Biden administration shoveling $ billions out the doors to a plethora of leftist activist groups,

Your taxes at work woke,

Reply to  Mr.
December 19, 2024 10:31 am

Go woke, go broke.

Guess what is being advertised here…

skynews-jaguar-advert_6752324
Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Leo Smith
December 19, 2024 5:17 pm

How not to be human?

December 19, 2024 10:28 am

The Mice in Council

Once upon a time the mice, being sadly distressed by the persecution of the cat, resolved to call a meeting to decide upon the best means of getting rid of their continual annoyance. Many plans were discussed and rejected. At last a young mouse got up and proposed that a bell should be hung round the cat’s neck, that they might for the future always have notice of her coming, and so be able to escape.

This proposition was hailed with the greatest applause, and was agreed to at once unanimously. Upon which an old mouse, who had sat silent all the while, got up and said that he considered the contrivance most ingenious and that it would, no doubt, be quite successful. But he had only one short question, namely, who would bell the cat?

It is one thing to propose, another to execute.

Conseil_Tenu_par_les_Rats
December 19, 2024 11:01 am

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Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:39 am

Are you really this stupid? Or is this just an act?

Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 11:58 am

I think the stupidity is on WUWT where Deniers are so gullible they believe anything they read on another Denier’s blog.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:10 pm

So tossing out the “denier” flag means you don’t have to back up your climate claims?

MarkW
Reply to  karlomonte
December 19, 2024 1:43 pm

Once the scientists that he agrees with have spoken, the science is settled and may not be questioned.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 2:26 pm

Scientists such as Al Gore, Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:28 pm

Says a beetroot with the IQ of a turnip using a far-left, zero-credibility, media fake-fact-check, because he has nothing else to offer.

Tell us what we “DENY” that you can produce solid empirical scientific evidence for.

Or faceplant in your own BS .. as usual.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 3:24 pm

beetroot FAILS to produce.. yet again. !

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:43 pm

The troll who believes whatever he’s told to believe is declaring that other people only believe what they are told to believe.
The irony positively drips.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 1:47 pm

Since you reject the 10s of thousands of peer reviewed scientific papers on Climate Change, we assume we marinate in your own universe with a different set of the laws of physics. Right?

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:57 pm

THEN PRODUCE ONE that uses empirical science to prove warming by atmospheric CO2.

You continue to be a completely EMPTY zero-science arm-flapper.

The laws of physics, which you obviously have zero understanding of, show that CO2 cannot have any measurable warming effect in the atmosphere.

Warming by atmospheric has NEVER been observed or measured anywhere on the planets.

Think it has.. the PRODUCE THE EVIDENCE.

Don’t just yap !

1… Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

2… Please show the evidence of CO2 warming in the UAH atmospheric data.

3… Please state the exact amount of CO2 warming in the last 45 year, giving measured scientific evidence for your answer.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 6:14 pm

Oh look… still absolutely NOTHING !

Reply to  bnice2000
December 20, 2024 1:18 pm

He has nothing he is a typical swirling eyed warmist/ alarmist buffoon who spend a lot of time denigrating the blog and regular commentators because that is all he has to run on.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:25 pm

Poor beetroot,

Totally INCAPABLE of ever discussing real science, tries to use a far-left bozo-driven fact-check as a crutch.

I don’t think I have seen anything more PATHETIC and LACKING IN CREDIBILITY.

Editor
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:25 pm

I wonder why you felt the need to make the same comment again. I think we got the message the first time, namely that there is a lot of bias out there, particularly among “fact-checkers”. But I would comment that you are definitely helping WUWT keep up its MOSTLY FREE press rating. Try making sceptical comments on a warmist website and see how fast you get cancelled.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
December 19, 2024 12:34 pm

Ms Beeton must somehow think that quoting a far-left fake-media-fact-check, somehow means he can avoid arguing with actual science and real facts.

It is the ultimate admission that it has no science to back up anything it says.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
December 19, 2024 12:55 pm

I’ve never gotten a WUWT denizen to say he/she accepts mainstream science. Instead, there’s a lot of excuse-making and denial of the basic scientific facts that can be found in any university textbook on atmospheric physics.
Where do you stand?

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:35 pm

Still EMPTY of anything remotely resembling science.

Poor beetroot.

Tell us what we “DENY” that you can produce solid empirical scientific evidence for.

Atmospheric physics shows that warming by atmospheric CO2 is basically zero or immeasurable.

I doubt you have ever been anywhere near any university textbook on atmospheric physics, let alone had the intellect to read and comprehend it.

You are just yapping EMPTY blather as usual.

You have yet to produce any empirical evidence to show warming by atmospheric CO2

Still waiting.. and everyone is watching and laughing at your petty attempts to avoid posting anything remotely scientific.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:49 pm

I love this belief of yours that if a majority of “scientists” agree with you, then nobody is allowed to disagree.

As to your worship of “peer reviewed”, you are aware aren’t you that peer review doesn’t mean the paper must be true. It just means that two or three people, who may or may not have any experience in the field being discussed on the paper, have spent an hour or two quickly reviewing the paper and haven’t found anything obviously wrong with it.

Do you have any idea how many “peer reviewed” papers have had to be withdrawn when problems were found with either the data or methods used?

Do you have any idea how many “peer reviewed” papers have had to be withdrawn when out and out fraud was discovered?

Your belief that “peer review” means that a paper is golden and can never be questioned is quaint. It also shows that your knowledge of science is so lacking that it discredits any point you may be trying to make.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 2:04 pm

one peer reviewed paper can be mistaken, or two, or three. But when 10s of thousands of peer reviewed papers published in the most prestigious journals in the world (eg, Nature, or Science), written by thousands of researching scientists in every country of the developed world, confirm, affirm, or are consistent with the basic finding that man’s burning of fossil fuels are warming the planet faster than anytime in millennia, and that the net effects are harmful, that consensus(95-100% by multiple recent studies) means that basic finding is far more reliable than the unreviewed work of a few unskilled bloggers with no consistent theory to explain the observed behavior of the climate. It’s not even close.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 3:02 pm

Yet you still haven’t produced a single one.

Is it that you are totally INCAPABLE of doing so. !!

You just continue your EMPTY SCIENCE and EVIDENCE FREE blather.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 1:22 pm

You are so unaware in how much of science research is C.R.A.P!

Retraction Watch is one organization showing many science “research” papers gets retracted because it was exposed as C.R.A.P!

Try catching up the 21th century child.

LINK

Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 20, 2024 1:25 pm

Unsurprisingly, you reject science. That’s why I’m adding your name to my list of unrepentant Deniers.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 2:03 pm

Poor beetroot.

You really don’t have ANYTHING do you.

Your little list of realists.. roflmao

What a PATHETIC LITTLE CHILD you are.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 2:41 pm

you reject science.”

No moron, it is Retraction Watch that reject NON-science.

SST must be shaking in his boots now he is on your petty little list 😉

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 12:59 pm

Another repetition. Boring.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
December 19, 2024 5:27 pm

Extremely.

MarkW
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 1:42 pm

Not satisfied with spreading your lies once, you have to do it over and over again.
I would ask you if you are even capable of independent thought, but it is obvious you aren’t.

Reply to  MarkW
December 19, 2024 1:44 pm

I’ve never gotten a WUWT denizen to say he/she accepts mainstream science. Instead, there’s a lot of excuse-making and denial of the basic scientific facts that can be found in any university textbook on atmospheric physics.
Where do you stand?

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 2:30 pm

You would have to first define “Mainstream Science” before anyone could possibly answer your question about where anyone stands.

What is it and who is it?

You also could not include Einstein’s papers in that group you worship at anytime. Think about that for a while.

Reply to  doonman
December 19, 2024 2:49 pm

Peer reviewed papers, published in reliable scientific journals such as ‘Nature’ or ‘Science’. (Not in a pay to publish journal). And the secondary publications which summarize the peer reviewed science, eg the IPCC Assessments, or reports by the National Science Academies such as the Royal Society or the NAS

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 3:28 pm

You have not produced ANYTHING to back up any of your claims.

A blanket reference to some journals you have heard of… is not science.

Still waiting…. expecting noting but empty blather.

1… Please provide empirical scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

2… Please show the evidence of CO2 warming in the UAH atmospheric data.

3… Please state the exact amount of CO2 warming in the last 45 year, giving measured scientific evidence for your answer.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 19, 2024 6:20 pm

Noted.

beetroot runs away from producing any evidence….. again.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 5:22 pm

The IPCC working groups are generally pretty rational. It’s the SPM that goes completely off the rails.

I’m guessing you’ve never read anything at Cimate Audit or Retraction Watch regarding the fallibility of peer reviewed literature. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs.

I also find it amazing that peer reviewed papers in every field except “climate science” are often wrong. Why is that?

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 19, 2024 5:39 pm

Climate Audit is a Denier blog. It’s worthless.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:19 pm

beetroots are worthless…. not even good for burgers.

Climate Audit is run by people with several magnitudes more scientific ability integrity and credibility than a beetroot could ever manage,.

And STILL the beetroot is empty of any actual evidence of anything

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 3:03 pm

You have NOT produce a single scientific fact backed by evidence.

We can only assume you DON’T HAVE ANY.

And we can be absolutely sure you have never read and understood any university level science on atmospheric physics.

You do not have that capability.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 4:03 pm

Harold the Organic Chemist Says:

ATTN: Warren and Everyone
RE: CO2 Does Not Cause Warning Of Air.

Shown in the graphic (See below) are plots of air temperatures at the Furnace Creek weather station in Death Valley from 1922 to 2001. In 1922, the concentration of CO2 was 303 ppmv (0.595 g/cu. m. of air), and by 2001 it had increased to 371 ppmv (0.729 g/cu. m. of air), but there was no corresponding increase in the temperature of the air. The reason CO2 caused no warming of air is quite simple: There is too little CO2 in the air.

The empirical temperature data from this remote arid desert falsifies the claim by the IPCC that CO2 causes warming of air, and hence by extension
“global warming”.

The claim by the IPCC since 1988 that CO2 causes “global warming” is a fabrication and a deliberate lie. The purpose of this lie is to provide the UN the justification for the distribution of funds, via the UNFCCC and the
UN COP, from the rich donor countries to all of the poor countries to help them cope with “global warming” and “climate change”. The yearly budgets for these UN organization is many billions of funds At the recent COP29 conference, the poor countries came clamoring not for billions but trillions
of funds.

When president-elect Donald Trump takes next January, he will put an end to the greatest scientific fraud since the Piltdown man.

NB: The graphic was obtained from the late John Daly’s website:
“Still Waiting for Greenhouse” available at: http://www.John-Daly.com.
From the home page scroll down and click on “Station Temperature Data”.
On the World Map”, click on “NA” and the click on “Pacific”. Finally, scroll down and click on “Death Valley”. John Daly found many weather stations around world that showed no significant temperature increases.

death-vy
Reply to  Harold Pierce
December 19, 2024 5:28 pm

That’s convincing 🤣. Have you submitted your work to a peer reviewed scientific journal for publication? I can’t wait to see it after expert review. Or what’s left of it 😂

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 6:18 pm

Your comment show you are totally devoid of any scientific understanding.

You remain totally devoid of any evidence to back up anything you say.

You are a scientific non-entity with the IQ of a turnip.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 19, 2024 11:40 pm

No journal would never publish my comment because I have accused the IPCC of lying and perpetrating scientific fraud. Unfortunately, many politicians and people still believe that CO2 causes global warming and climate change.

This belief about CO2 causing global warming has resulted in severe economic disruptions in the UK and Germany, for example. The UK just closed their last electrical power plant at the start of winter.

In California, Gov. Gavin N. wants phase out all cars and light trucks with gas and Diesel engines by 2035. All the companies are pledging to be net zero carbon emissions by 2050. Many protesters are be demanding a phase out of fossil fuels. This is all crazy, and it will never happen.

BTW: Where do you live? Has winter set started?

Reply to  Harold Pierce
December 20, 2024 3:41 am

I live in an mid-Atlantic state, where we’ve experienced the hottest year on record. Caused by the highest atmospheric CO2 concentration in 15 million years.

0perator
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 5:47 am

😆

Reply to  0perator
December 20, 2024 5:51 am

You , I see, lack a science education. Some remedial reading for you: https://climate.nasa.gov

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 11:33 am

Yep, that is aimed at remedial reading classes…. for 10-year-olds.

A nebulous link to propaganda pap, devoid of actual scientific evidence of anything.

It contains ZERO actual science, and ZERO evidence of any CO2 warming.

If you think it does, then pinpoint it for us.

And if you think that link is actual “science”, it really shows the extremely LOW level of science your mind is capable of working at.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 7:37 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 10:08 am

I live some hundreds of miles west of you and my State hasn’t come close to experiencing its hottest temperature on record. Not even close.

You must be referring to that bogus global temperature, not a State regional temperature.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 20, 2024 10:17 am

The first 11 months of the year were the warmest such period for the continental United States in 130 years of records. 22 states had their record-warmest first 11 months of the year. 

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 11:47 am

zero fact.

Here are all 3 temperature records for the USA since 2016.

Absolutely nothing unusual happening… near zero trend..

You brain-washing is creating its own BS.

USA-Comb-since-2016
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 1:29 pm

Awww and you are suffering deeeeeeply Ias you are sitting in a chair sipping from a Camelback bag to stay hydrated yet still spends hours posting bogus babble here in a blog you hate anyway.

You must be a permanent bachelor.

Someone
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 11:24 am

How come 15 mln years it was substantially warmer than today? About 4 deg C warmer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record

It must have been something other than CO2 that caused higher temperatures 15 mln years ago. How come these natural factors are not working now?

Reply to  Someone
December 20, 2024 11:40 am

The content of CO2 in the atmosphere increased 3-4 times during the PETM. Regardless of whether it comes from cars, factories or from non-human sources, CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and it causes the atmosphere to warm. 

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 12:42 pm

You have FAILED completely to produce any science to back up your CO2 warming conjecture.

Nearly all the last 10,000 years has been warmer than now.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 11:30 am

Absolutely NOTHING to do with CO2.

Seems you are IGNORANT of the effects of El Ninos.

IGNORANCE of the difference between weather and climate.

Reply to  bnice2000
December 20, 2024 11:52 am

And USA UAH48 data shows you are either LYING or DELUDED.. (or both)

USA-UAH-2024
Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 12:09 pm

Harold the Organic Chemist Says:
ATTN: Warren
RE: Greenhouse Gases: H20 vs CO2

At the MLO in Hawaii, the concentration of CO2 in dry air is 422 ppmv. One cubic meter of this air has a mere 0.829 g of CO2 and a mass of 1.29 kg at STP.

In air with a temperature of 70 deg. F and with 70% RH, the concentration of H2O gas is 14,780 ppmv. One cubic meter of this air has 11.9 g of H20, a mass of 1.20 kg, and 0.77 g of CO2.
To the first approximation and all things being equal, the proportion of the greenhouse effect (GHE) due to H2O is given by:

GHE for H2O = 11.9 g / 11.9 g + 0.77g = 0.94 or 94%

This simple calculation assumes that a H2O molecule and a CO2 molecule absorb about the same amount of IR light.

Keep in mind that 71% of the earth’s surface is covered with
H2O and the wind is a major force that sweeps H2O out the oceans onto the land.

H2O is by far the major greenhouse gas and CO2 is a minor trace greenhouse gas. There little CO2 in the air. This why it takes many months to food crops such as wheat peaches.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 5:18 pm

I live in an mid-Atlantic state

Well pin a bright shiny star on your cap.

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 1:25 pm

HA HA HA HA HA,

You can’t even try a simple counterpoint to Harolds comment thus you are empty handed as usual.

You are pathetic!

Reply to  Sunsettommy
December 20, 2024 1:29 pm

Harold’s post is a perfect example of why only peer reviewed science can be trusted. And yet Sunsetommy naively takes it as gospel!

Reply to  Warren Beeton
December 20, 2024 1:59 pm

Harold’s post is actual science, which you have NO ANSWER TO.

Don’t have the scientific ability to understand it.

Where is it incorrect.???

You cannot say, because you are totally ignorant of anything to do with actual science..

Giving_Cat
December 19, 2024 11:56 am

The problem with a unified energy policy at the Federal level is that the Federal mechanism is guaranteed to not always be guided by sane people.

We are the United STATES. Not United People, not democratic. The 50 experiments must continue thus an Electoral College and Congressional Representatives even if those independent states result in slavery and California. I expect the latter to be resolved much the same as the prior.

MarkW
Reply to  Giving_Cat
December 19, 2024 1:51 pm

The US would be much healthier if we could go back to having Senators be appointed by state legislatures.
The job of the Senate as outlined by the founding fathers was to look after the interests of the various states. Making the Senate be a popular vote election guaranteed the rapid growth of the federal government.

Bob
December 19, 2024 1:02 pm

I would encourage more of these lawsuits with one stipulation, all individuals and organizations involved with bringing the lawsuit are disconnected from the grid win or lose. I hate to see them looking like hypocrites let’s join together and give them what they want. They don’t want fossil fuel or nuclear energy? That’s fine we can help you achieve that.

Walter Sobchak
December 19, 2024 1:09 pm

A treaty is not valid if the Senate withholds its consent, but there is no rule of double jeopardy. If the Senate votes a treaty down, there is nothing that prevents any President from resubmitting the Treaty, as many times as he wishes. Submitting a treaty so that it will be voted down is just a waste of time and effort.

dougsorensen
December 19, 2024 1:45 pm

You’re forgetting that the fundamental reason for the IPCC is to prove that there is a global crisis that the UN must govern, and thus take a major step in turning the UN into a world government.

December 19, 2024 4:39 pm

I was a dyed in the wool skeptic of CAGW until less than an hour ago, but evidence has now convinced me we must all be doomed. I heard a great gaggle of geese being rather loud. Popping outdoors, I looked up at the source of the noise and there was a longish line of geese flying — N-NW — on December 19th! Not only that, they really were arranged pretty much in a long line perpendicular to their line of flight; none of that energy saving V arrangement!

It must be climate change. What else could account for such aberrant behaviour?