Al Gore and State Attorney Generals start another climate witch hunt (Update: schism develops)

From Blue Virginia: (video follows)

Unprecedented Coalition Vows To Defend Climate Change Progress Made Under President Obama And To Push The Next President For Even More Aggressive Action

NEW YORK – Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman today joined Attorneys General from across the nation to announce an unprecedented coalition of top law enforcement officials committed to aggressively protecting and building upon the recent progress the United States has made in combatting climate change.

Attorneys General Schneiderman, William Sorrell of Vermont, George Jepsen of Connecticut, Brian E. Frosh of Maryland, Maura Healey of Massachusetts, Mark Herring of Virginia, and Claude Walker of the US Virgin Islands were joined by former Vice President Al Gore for the announcement in New York City. Today’s announcement took place during a one-day Attorneys General climate change conference, co-sponsored by Schneiderman and Sorrell.

The participating states are exploring working together on key climate change-related initiatives, such as ongoing and potential investigations into whether fossil fuel companies misled investors and the public on the impact of climate change on their businesses. In 2015, New York State reached a historic settlement with Peabody Energy – the world’s largest publicly traded coal company – concerning the company’s misleading financial statements and disclosures. New York is also investigating ExxonMobil for similar alleged conduct.

“We cannot continue to allow the fossil fuel industry or any industry to treat our atmosphere like an open sewer or mislead the public about the impact they have on the health of our people and the health of our planet. Attorneys General and law enforcement officials around the country have long held a vital role in ensuring that the progress we have made to solve the climate crisis is not only protected, but advanced. The first-of-its-kind coalition announced today is another key step on the path to a sustainable, clean-energy future,” said Vice President Al Gore.

Vermont Attorney General William Sorrell said“We are happy to have worked closely with New York to organize this meeting.  As we all know, global warming, if not reversed, will be catastrophic for our planet.  We, the states, have a role to play in this endeavor and intend to do our part.”

Full story here


UPDATE: all is not well in Goreville

Democratic Attorneys General Refuse to Join Rockefeller-Backed Climate Investigation

3:03pm EDT March 29, 2016

by Steve Everley
steve@energyindepth.org , Dallas, Tex.

A press conference today featuring Al Gore and more than a dozen state attorneys general was expected to reveal new state-level investigations of U.S. energy companies regarding climate change. But the vast majority of AGs standing on stage refused to join such an effort, signaling a lack of interest in wasting their own states’ resources.

Last year, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman announced that he had launched an investigation into fossil fuel companies regarding what the New York Times called “possible climate change lies.” The investigation was based entirely on a series of controversial articles written by researchers at the Columbia School of Journalism and InsideClimate News, which selectively pulled statements from company documents to suggest Exxon Mobil’s public policy advocacy was inconsistent with its own research.

Unsurprisingly, environmental activists embraced the articles, and even began an online campaign – complete with the hash tag #ExxonKnew on Twitter – to pressure state and federal officials to launch investigations into so-called “climate denial.” To date, they have succeeded in convincing Schneiderman as well as the attorneys general for California and Massachusetts.

But Democratic attorneys general from New Mexico, Washington, D.C., Rhode Island, Maine, Illinois, Virginia, Maryland, Connecticut, and Vermont – all of whom stood on the stage next to Al Gore today – refused to announce that they would be launching their own investigations. In fact, reporters covering the event struggled to find much of anything new in what the officials were promising. The Huffington Post even conceded that the AGs “were vague on what exactly they have planned.”

Editorial boards across the country have criticized the #ExxonKnew campaign as an attempt to “stamp out all disagreement,” while also worrying about the legal precedent of pursuing “criminal penalties over those involved in a scientific debate.” An editorial from Bloomberg News called Schneiderman’s investigation a “dangerous arrogation of power.”

Legal experts have also questioned the merits of New York’s investigation. John Coffee, a law professor at Columbia University, told the New York Times that a “leading obstacle [to a conviction] would be the First Amendment, as climate change is a matter of robust public debate.”

Paying for Media, Policy Outcomes

Although Schneiderman’s office contends the investigation is based on allegations of “fraud,” one of the groups who funded the research underpinning Schneiderman’s investigation – the Rockefeller Family Fund – admitted last week that their funding of non-profit news entities, including Columbia and InsideClimate News, was geared toward achieving “better climate policy.”

 

more: http://energyindepth.org/national/democratic-attorneys-general-refuse-rockefeller-climate-investigation/


Another video:

Joined by Attorneys General from six states, former Vice President Al Gore announces the formation of an ‘historic coalition’ to investigate “commercial interests that have been… deceiving the American people” about the reality of the “climate crisis and the dangers it poses to all of us”.

Gore announces coalition of Dem AGs to investigate climate denial: ‘They are violating the law’

 

134 thoughts on “Al Gore and State Attorney Generals start another climate witch hunt (Update: schism develops)

  1. Well Al Gore should try and clean up the open sewer that is Washington DC, before setting off on another of his fiction crusades.

    G

    • Well George, there’s a few problems with that course of action, as I’m sure you’re well aware.
      1) I don’t think it can be done
      2) It certainly wouldn’t interest Gore, unless you could explain how he could make money doing it.

      • Article I Section 10 of the US Constitution states twice that No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation and that without the consent of Congress, no state shall enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power. It would seem that the Attorneys general of six states announcing a ‘historic coalition’ under the color of their respective state offices would violate this provision. This provision of course, has nothing to with free speech. Its just that their little group plan is unconstitutional on the face of it.

      • Patently violating the Constitution has never bothered some lawyers, including some on the Supreme Court. Consider the Slaughterhouse Cases gutting the 14th Amendment, that was not ever really reversed (read McDonald v. Chicago, particularly Thomas’s concurrence). Any attempt to enforce the Constitution is political by default.

      • I remember Nancy Pelosi, then speaker of the House, when asked by a reporter about what article of the Constitution they were using to justify ObamaCare, looked at him in shock and blurted out, “You’re kidding?”

        Nobody in Washington has cared about constitutional restrictions for several generations.

      • Gore intends to use the threat of “legal” action to solicit “Donations” to the “Cause’. Hillary and the Clinton Foundation aren’t the only ones to Cash in on a Scam.

    • Notice that one of the participating AG’s was the Attorney General of the US Virgin Islands. USVI is not a state, but a minor tax haven. Its residents and USVI domiciled corporations are exempt from the federal income tax.

      Mentioned Rockefeller Family owns a luxury Caneel Bay Resort on the territory of Virgin Islands National Park, the land they “donated” to the US National Park Service, but on the condition the lands would be not developed. From the website of the resort:

      “Today, Caneel Bay is one of only a few marine environments within the U.S. National Park System and is home to abundant wildlife as well as colorful coral reefs that teem with underwater life. Here, turtles and dolphins freely roam their natural habitat while guests explore the pristine natural surroundings of this truly unique Caribbean resort.”

      http://www.caneelbay.com/social-responsibility.html

  2. The alarmist will win the debate because it’s not a debate, it’s a political campaign that will be decided by elections. Given that the majority of the electorate is incapable of science when not presented in opinion form, and vote for the parties that make them feel the best, leftist governments will continue to push the lies because it makes the voters feel morally virtuous for voting “green” and government gets more power.

    • Know what? I think the Exxon question “popped it.” Always, ALWAYS follow the money! If a yuuuuuge corporation like Exxon admits AGW is not a problem on their radar screen, well, that’s just gotten the attention of hundreds of thousands of investors and their advisors. That makes it much harder for Mr. Gore et al to keep the meme going–outside of the “millennials” who haven’t enough frame of reference to know any better.

      Ever wonder why they worked so hard to indoctrinate the young? Because anyone around in the 1970’s remembers the “Ice Age is Coming!” noise. And the “ozone hole.” The way things have gone, their limited window of time to establish Green Malthusianism as the perceived public norm is closing–rapidly.

      • IMO the Exxon question barely scratches it. Exxon cannot “admit AGW is not a problem” because Exxon doesn’t represent the worlds scientists and is not itself absolute authority on any internal research it conducts. Whether or not there is any truth to the CAGW scare, people (lefties mainly) would expect Exxon’s public position to deny or downplay any dangers so the company can continue reaping ill-gotten profit. People believe what they want to believe about big evil oil companies regardless of the reality that we all benefit from them.

        I see your window of time continuing to open wider. Voters who grew up during the ice age scare in the seventies weren’t rational enough to prevent the current scare. Cold winters have already been subsumed by the CAGW meme, which shows it doesn’t need to remain internally consistent for people to keep doublethinking that it’s true. Now we have an entire generation of millennial idiots who believe their feelings are sacrosanct and an internet and media which constantly tells these kids that their feelings entitle them to social justice, including “climate justice” against the evil oil companies who conspire to steal our wealth and kill the planet. Demographically we are stupider than we were in the 70’s.

    • That is true insofar as it is a political campaign. I have just finished reading the Peabody story and the NYAG just inverted the whole thing. He states that Peabody knew about the damage CO2 was doing but didn’t tell the shareholders when in fact Peabody said AGW was unproven, which is the truth. In fact the NYAG has simply forced Peabody to tell shareholders that any legislation limiting coal use would result in reduced profitability which is obvious.

      Political BS at its worst. Should GM tell its shareholders that any legislation to reduce car ownership would impact shareholders negatively? Do renewable energy companies tell their investors that the withdrawal of subsidies and tax holidays will mean loss of profits?

      These pig dog bastards make me sick.

  3. Ah, Mr. Gore is now throwing a tantrum because no one will listen to him about Hockey Schtick Climate Change and he wants to use “enforcers” to silence those who have the constitutional right to both Free Speech and Protest.

  4. The same Al Gore that sold his TV channel to major oil producers? Will he prosecute himself first?

    • Good point! Maybe the AGs can claw back the prophet’s profits and place them in some sort of AG clean power fund…

      Gore’s employees at Current TV were not amused by the sale-

      “Ominously missing was the creator of Current, the self proclaimed inventor of the Internet and savior of clean energy, Al Gore, although his partner, Joel Hyatt, stood proudly with the Al Jazeera honchos. “Of course Al didn’t show up,” said one high placed Current staffer. “He has no credibility. “He’s supposed to be the face of clean energy and just sold [the channel] to very big oil, the emir of Qatar! Current never even took big oil advertising—and Al Gore, that bulls***ter sells to the emir?” The meeting, while not contentious, was, according to staffers who spoke on the condition of anonymity, miserable.”

      “How do they feel about Gore the savior of green energy now?
      The displeasure with Gore among the staff was thick enough to cut with a scimitar.
      “We all know now that Al Gore is nothing but a bulls***ter,” said the staffer bluntly.
      We do stories on the tax code, and he sells the network before the tax code kicked in? “Al was always lecturing us about green. He kept his word about green all right—as in cold, hard cash!”

      NY Post, 1/8/2013

  5. “Global warming, if not reversed, will be catastrophic for our planet.” Global warming, if real, would be catastrophic for our planet.

      • Might result in increased food supply to feed the coming billions of otherwise starving children. When the oceans boil way, then we will have to worry about global warming. Until then, the clouds will feedback regulate the mean Temperature range of planet earth.

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      • You have a point, Goldrider–the earth’s temp seems to be well regulated; it is these crazy, mixed up, greedy Warmistas that can’t figure out what’s going on.

  6. What’s the meaning of the acronym on the lectern?
    Al Gore’s United For Clean Power?
    That’s a worrying prospect. I mean, how many Al Gore’s are there?
    Especially worrying when we consider that just one Al Gore has the environmental footprint equivalent to a small African nation. :)

    • The acronym AGs: In keeping with their scientific illiteracy, AGs stands for Attorney Generals, to show they also cannot use English properly. Of course the proper plural is Attorneys General.

      • AGs is correct. It is the same idea as the abbreviation “in-laws”. Any phrase that is abbreviated or made an acronym would be pluralized in that manner.

      • The English language (or any other language) for that matter is what anybody decides it is. Yes, in theory it should be AsG, but since the common usage is AGs, that is what it is.

        Actually. the spelling of any too (sic) words these days is what the spell checker decides it is.

      • It’s just high priced texting.

        Think how many commas I could eliminate, if I just stopped using words.

        g

      • The English language (or any other language) for that matter is what anybody decides it is.

        That’s a big part of the problem we’re having with belief in CAGW.

    • With the advent of “smart” electric meters I propose that in the event of power shortages fossil fuel complainers should have their power terminated. As long as Penn State employs MM they should not receive any fossil fuel generated power. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Practice what you preach. Sow the wind…etc.

  7. Unlike Big Tobacco, the deliberately misrepresented Exxon documents were mainstream climate science at the time they were produced. And unlike smoking since 1954, there is as yet no evidence of AGW harm despite government efforts to manufacture same. BT claimed for years that smoking did not cause cancer. Before that, they claimed it was healthful. Exxon marketed its fuels as good for your vehicle. It never said anything about good or bad for the environment.
    There is a large and growing body of evidence that CAGW memes are simply not true. ExxonMobil is a big boy able to defend itself using that evidence if any of this ever gets to a court. This smacks more of politics in an election year than something to be seriously concerned about at this point.

    • But Exxon will spend millions as it attempts to state that obvious fact in court. The goal of lawfare is to make the process the punishment. Oil companies will spend millions just to “prove their innocence”. Remember, “Sentence first, verdict afterward.”

    • Ristvan, this is “something to be seriously concerned about.” It is designed to intimidate corporations with the power of government’s bottomless pit of money and police state tools.

      • Did not work for DoJ v. Apple’s Tim Cook on iPhone encryption. Will not work for MA and NY AGs v. ExxonMobil’s Rex Tillerson no matter ardent or politically motivated those AGs may be. Tillerson makes Cook look like a pansy. These are oil guys that deal with Putin and hismthugs, and other r dictatorial third world autocrats on a daily basis, and who (like Shell in the failed Beaufort Sea exploration) think losing $5 billion on a reasonable exploration play is part of their day to day business.
        These AGs are like naive children poking at the cubs of a big Mama Bear. Very unwise, as the Big Tobacco pseudo analogy proposed by Oreskes and Sen. Whitehouse is simply inapt.
        The more stupid PR like AW posted is generated by these politically elected AGs, the more you should invest in popcorn futures.

      • Rud says:”These are oil guys that deal with Putin and hismthugs, and other r dictatorial third world autocrats on a daily basis…”
        ——————–
        These are oil guys who deal with other oil guys. Don’t get any tougher than that. The gov’t is suffering from a lack of talent and it will soon be apparent.
        Al Gore is trippin’.

    • Would you agree though, Rud, that these AGs really believe in the factual truth of their story?

      One wonders, after it all falls apart, whether any of these AGs or their successors will feel themselves compelled to band again together to file a criminal suit against those scientists, agencies, and organizations that so led them astray.

    • “Big Tobacco hid from the public information that showed that smoking tobacco was bad for your health.”
      Meanwhile, back in the early 1600’s King James said of smoking tobacco:
      A custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black, stinking fume thereof, nearest resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless
      People believe want they want to believe.
      There was a court case where someone was awarded a huge amount of money because he did not know that smoking could be bad for your health! (The Court disallowed the presentation of a video interview of a class off six-year-olds who were asked what could happen to you if you smoked.)

      • We were pretty well into it long before then. (From Wm. Johnson’s account of the Revolutionary War in the south: “. . . tobacco, that most necessary of articles for American soldiery.”)

  8. “Out of abundance of caution” is the new de facto legal code and it will probably be backed up by the block voting Supremes soon to be in the majority.

  9. Unfortunately the companies that have been attacked with these climate alarmism phoney tactics have been incredibly passive in responding to these claims which only adds gasoline to the flames of this dishonest campaign. Until these companies actually make a concerted effort to address these idiotic claims these tactics will only grow in scope.

  10. These guys are trying to get their agenda sorted before Trump gets in and ruins their dreams (our nightmares)

    Unfortunately for them their beliefs are crumbling and most people in the real world won’t buy the story nor will they be told what to believe.

  11. Big Brother is here and of course we’re winning the war (doesn’t matter which war). Rations will be increased from 5 units to 2 units. Climate Skepticism doesn’t exist and has never existed.

    “All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”

    Friedrich Nietzsche

  12. Personally I believe the only question is WHY? Being that most everything points to 2020.
    When will the weather shows it’s true colors, 2020. https://www.parliamentofreligions.org/ is the main party associated with the conference that originally stated 1893 and reformed in 1993. their goal, per the video shown in my church, was for 2020. the real question is WHY?

      • I like 2020 for project names. It presents a clear vision to the future. Or in case of failure, everyone will be drinking Mad Dog 2020 to forget the project ever happened.

      • Smart, I will attempt to put together an article showing all the correlations with 202 and 2030. I will send it to Anthony to determine best use.

  13. Idiots and liars, I’m not sure which trait stands out the most among this group.
    The Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico never had hurricanes before 1950 they were just tropical storms then…
    3 to 5 feet of sea level rise in the Norfolk, VA area by 2100 (more like 3-5 inches would be a closer guess). I guess they believe this stuff.
    Are you allowed to have a scientific debate in a courtroom? I guess we just might find out.

    • Yes. That is why I suspect nothing will come of this. If push does come to shove, I will offer my legal services in support of the Exxon legal defense team pro bono. I know where an awful lot of the ‘climate bodies’ are buried. Been researching and writing about it now for 5 years.

    • No, because you are only ever aloud to answer the question the lawyer asks. And the lawyer will only let you say the minimum number of words he wants to hear.
      The only answers that a lawyer wants to hear are ‘yes’ and ‘no’. So (s)he will word the question to elicit a yes no question. Yes but, is not an answer.

      g

    • I’m imagining a courtroom scene similar to ‘Miracle on 34th Street’ where the CAGW side drags in mailbags full of millions of “scientific” papers proving mann-caused climate change will doom us all. Hmmm, on reflection, the scenario is kind of apt – the hope that popular belief in something will make it true in the court of popular opinion.

      • In ‘Miracle on 34th Street’, it wasn’t the number of letters that were being delivered, it was the fact that the Postal Service was delivering letters addressed to Santa, to Kris, the man who was being tried.

        The judge then ruled that if the USPS was satisfied that the man before them was Santa Claus, then that was good enough for the judge.

    • Scientific debate in a courtroom? Check with Mark Steyn. Not last year, or the year before. Maybe this year? Next year? Steyn’s finding courtroom scheduling is a very slow process.

  14. A leftist recently wrote a candid book on this exact issue and many like it: The Silencing: How the Left Is Killing Free Speech – by Kristen Powers.

  15. “Attorneys General and law enforcement officials around the country have long held a vital role in ensuring that the progress we have made to solve the climate crisis is not only protected, but advanced.

    Al, please quantify the progress made in terms of actual climate changed.

  16. “We cannot continue to allow the fossil fuel industry or any industry to treat our atmosphere like an open sewer

    Excellent (bold mine).
    Let’s start then with the biggest spewer of fossil fuel exhaust on the planet – automobiles.

    What did GM, Ford and Chrysler know, and when did they know it? And why did The Obama and The Hillary vote to bail out GM and Chrysler to the tune of billions of dollars, knowing that these were the exact culprits complicit in the bulk consumption of Exxon’s products? Why did they not take the opportunity to save the planet by letting these companies fail? An embargo on importing cars, and done. 30% or more of co2 emissions in the US gone in the blink of an eye. Easy peasy.

    So why does the auto industry get a bail out that Gore and company never mention? Are autos not guilty of treating the atmosphere like a sewer? Do their exhausts not empty at the back of the vehicle? Exxon gets excoriated while GM and Chrysler get billions to continue building the very things that consume Exxon’s product and nobody says a peep about their complicity?

    There will never be serious action, just headline grabbing noise to get attention and pretend to be doing something.

    • plus the 12, 000 miles of oil pipeline built across the US in the last 5 years under obama’s watch- 35,000 miles worldwide per year,

      this ain’t going nowhere,

      • But thankfully, no Keystone XL, because that Canadian oil from the tar sands is just so……..so……..dirty!! Ugh!! The Gulf coast refineries can buy that nice, clean, health-giving oil from the tar sands in Venezuela instead. That must make Mr. Obama feel a sense of achievement, having saved his people from the menace of the evil monster lurking in the black pits of Alberta.

        After all, that’s what friends are for. Canada says thanks.

      • But California heavy oil is OK. Never mind that it’s more CO2 intensive than Oil sands.

    • O’Bummer did not do it to bail out the auto companies. He did it to bail out their unions. — Eugene WR Gallun

    • Perhaps they should add the ‘4% CO2 with every exhalation’ people to their witch hunt. They are also the ones driving the vehicles, so doubly warranted.

    • In Europe we have a situation where diesels were promoted so as to reduce CO2 ‘pollution.’ Unfortunately it turns out that the manufacturers weren’t exactly telling the truth, and the heavily turbo’d diesels they build in order to give comparable performance are actually much more serious polluters than gasoline engines. There is now a major problem in cities like Paris with diesel smog. All thanks to climate alarmism.

      • From my memory, diesels were preferred because on mainland Europe, diesel was vastly cheaper, nothing to do with reduced CO2 (Probably true when all the alarm kicked off). Diesel in the UK for instance was much more expensive than petrol, so petrol was the fuel of choice for personal transport. But now in the UK, road tax is calculated on the emissions of CO2 a vehicle emits.

  17. Once a dragon is created it can take on a life of it’s own. If the winds change and put a different scent in it’s nose it can attack and devour it’s creators.

  18. Al is looking quite old. He needs to sit down and relax. He may need an ‘adult’ coloring book. sneak in
    color by numbers portrait of Mohammad and then let him do ‘show and tell’

  19. I hope this is not a spring, summer campaign of “Joe Btfsplk”, er Al Gore bringing his cloud of doom and gloom to the weather no matter were he goes. I’m looking forward to lots of SUN & FUN for everyone! These old bones need both.

  20. We cannot continue to allow the fossil fuel industry or any industry to treat our atmosphere like an open sewer or mislead the public about the impact they have on the health of our people and the health of our planet

    – but nor must we neglect to recognise the immeasurable benefits that fossi-fuels have had in moving our civilisation out of the dark ages and into a world that can feed and clothe seven billion.

    Oh….didn’t they go on to say that?

  21. This is my first attempt at a Scott Mandia poem. It references the famous picture of him dressed as Supermandia. Not surprisingly the last line of the poem could be said about all the people in the article above.

    SCOTT MANDIA — SUPERMANDIA

    The climate crusader
    Our costumed savior
    Supermandia, man of vinyl
    Leaping over data
    “Res judicata,”
    He shouts! “Hockey stick up your anal.”

    Found within the pages
    Of long dead sages
    We read — Some things have no concealing
    Like a leopard’s marking
    A dog his barking
    And all idiots self-revealing

    Eugene WR Gallun

  22. I fought the law and the law won!!

    Seriously in the video when he said “man made climate change” did you live through that sense of how damn thick/stupid they actually are? they’re not engineers or scientists, they’re professional bull-shitters, they are being disrespectful on a whole new level, we have science under a spotlight, I think these mischievous lairs need to be under it 24/7.

  23. AW, thank you for the update and new links on this post. Even CPP proponent AGs mostly are not playing along. Waste of time and money.
    Appears this kerfuffle is what I suspected. AG Schneiderman grandstanding to run for NY Gov, with Al Gore support. IIRC last one to try this tactic focused on Wall Street rather than Exxon (a much softer target given clear Wall Street complicity in the sub prime mortgage fiasco of 2008-9), got elected, then resigned when caught in a call girl scandal.

  24. I remember well reading Orwell’s “1984” and thinking something that farfetched could never happen here. This sounds like the “Thought Police” and shivers run down my spine at just how close Al Gore came to being President of the United States. This man should NEVER be in a position of power. I think he’s truly lost his mind. That even ONE AG supported his stance is equally frightening. Where has my beloved country gone??????

    • I too read that book, in about 1981-ish (Just as Thatcher took the UK in to war with Argentina over the Falklands) and I came to a different conclusion. My conclusion was this was EXACTLY what our “rulers” want. Absolute control. And as is repeated throughout history, that level of control works for a while, but is eventually is broken down. Like English being banned in England by the French. And books being banned in the Fahrenheit 451 story.

  25. But there is no real evidence that the efforts put forth to date have had any effect on global climate. Over more than the past two decades, the efforts of the IPCC have failed to refine their guestimate as to the climate sensitivity of CO2 one iota. Despite the hoopla, they really do not know the effect of CO2 on climate. The IPCC models have all been wrong so they really do not know if additional proposed efforts will have any effect on climate what so ever. There is no real evidence that CO2 has ever had or has now any effect on climate. The AGW conjecture is full of flaws and until those flaws are resolved the AGW conjecture should not re relied upon to affect government policy. There are good reasons to be conserving on the use of fossil fuels but climate change is not one of them. There is reason to believe that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans and that Mankind does not have the power to change it. The real problem that we need to be addressing is Man’s out of control population in a world of finite space and finite resources. As opposed to global climate over which Man has no control, out of control human population is a problem that Mankind can solve if only we make the effort.

  26. You can see what the AG are asking “Is it cold in here or as St Gore just walked into the room ”

    St Gore the type of person the expression ‘what an arse ‘ was invited for .

  27. These AGs must be taken seriously. They are a menace.
    Does anybody remember the child day-care sex abuse hysteria of the late 1980s-early 1990s. Hundreds of prosecutions on charges which were fabricated, and in many cases, clearly absurd. Lives ruined, people sent to prison, on and on. Even after the hysteria passed, and it was seen that the real crimes were the prosecutions themselves, no price was ever paid.

    Massachusetts: Fells Acres, 3 people convicted served sentences from 8 to 20 years.
    AG – Scott Harshbarger – Rode the case with a “Tough on Crime” theme in a campaign for the state Gov. (as part of his strategy for the presidency).
    Martha Cokley – Lead prosecutor becomes Mass AG. Runs for Gov.
    Dorothy Rabinowitz writing in the Wall Street Journal summed it up, even in MA

    Nobody this side of Jupiter really believes the Amiraults did anything wrong.

    Florida: Country Walk, 1 person convicted – 165 years, currently serving.
    Janet Reno – Lead prosecutor goes on to become US AG, the nations “Top Cop”.
    Notable Event:

    Fuster’s wife recanted her court testimony in an interview with Frontline, saying that she was kept naked in solitary confinement and subjected to other forms of physical and psychological duress until she agreed to testify against her husband

    Now consider the IRS systematic abuse of Tea Party groups and audits of anybody who speaks out. Consider fully weaponized EPA, FDA, HUD and a slew of others, all after ideological enemies of the State.
    Consider the formerly harmless USDA, that’s right, the US Department of Agriculture, now has fully militarized SWAT teams, complete with machine guns and Armored Personnel Carriers.

    Anybody still think there is nothing to worry about here?

  28. Sea Level Rise in Coastal Virginia: Understanding Impacts to Archaeological Resources

    “The reported one-foot of sea level rise over the past century in the Chesapeake Bay stated in Executive Order 01.01.2007.07 should have greatly altered the dimensions of the upland hummocks(see Figure 1.10) on Tangier Island, Virginia. However, the data presented in Figure 1.9 challenges the reported one-foot of sea level. Additional information also challenges the reported 20th century sea level pulse.”

    http://www.academia.edu/2348853/Sea_Level_Rise_in_Coastal_Virginia_Understanding_Impacts_to_Archaeological_Resources

  29. “Blue Virginia”?? Better think again there Bubba!!

    The Virginia General Assembly and Senate is controlled by REPUBLICANS NOT DEMOCRAPS!!! Yes, we have a POS Democrap Governor and AG but he/they can’t so much without the VGA/Senate, who control the purse strings! IMHO governor McAwful can pound sand as far as I’m concerned!!

  30. Using the courts to enforce an unproven hypothesis is a worrisome sign of intellectual tyranny.

    Will the AG’s prosecute Deerocher and Joe Romm for claiming “polar bears are likely to go extinct by 2030 if not 2020” ?

    Will the AG’s prosecute climate scientists who claimed children will not know what snow is?

    Is advocating a bad hypothesis more criminal than rejecting it.

    The AG’s missed their chance to put Gore in cuffs for his fraudulent fear mongering about Arctic Sea ice disappearing by now.

  31. The height of ego – Al Gore floating down the Thames on his back with an “election” and shouting “Raise the draw bridge!” (original story was a flea – appropriate to humans on the back of Gaia I suppose.)

  32. Rarely does one see a more sanctimonious, and insincere, assembly of money grubbers. And what’s with Al Gore? He’s a private citizen who has joined with the AGs to enrich himself further? We are rapidly heading back to a time before the enlightenment where the nobility simply stole whatever they wished, and the sovereign could not be brought to heel nor even touched. This is the Sheriff of Nottingham cloned a dozen times over. By the way, these are not states from across America. These are states from among the Bluest of America who simply cannot find enough money to pay for their profligacy.

  33. This is called independent justice in the US… Perhaps instead of lecturing the world, the US should start at home and let people in peace.

  34. The “Big Oil” companies should make sure Al Gore’s aircraft is never refuelled… just as an (futile) attempt to making him honest…

  35. I suppose the fraud cases could cut both ways , are these AG,s digging a hole for themselves when the doom and gloom predictions are debunked .
    Man made climate change would not stand up in court anyway ,there is no evidence just a prediction .

  36. Typical.
    “Symbolism over substance.”
    Any and all of them (Al too) can point to the photo, or what they said afterward, depending on “which way the wind blows”.
    The media will try to control “the weather” for their particular favorite.

  37. Unjust laws compel acts of civil disobedience. We must rally behind Exxon, the Charlie Hebdo of the Global Warming world. Come on, people, they can’t imprison us all. Stand up and be counted.
    I hereby declare April Fools Day as “Everybody Spread Uncertainty Day.” Tweet, Like, Post, Blog your replication of Bigoil doubtfulness. Show the tyrants that we stand united against censorship and won’t be intimidated into silence.
    Signed, Citizens Against Climate Certitude Association
    #IKnewToo

  38. It looks as if, whenever you attack fossil fuel, you actually have to set your argument down in black and white. And when you do, it becomes obvious that your argument is unsound.

    I bet the greens wish they could just do without staying any argument…

  39. Simple, give all those states signing the agreement their wish. Cut all FF to those states

  40. First, they came for the babies, and planned their trials. Now they have expanded their human hunts to deniers and apostates of their variable and selective quasi-religious cult.

  41. Gore Effect inbound. Now that Rockerfeller has crawled back behind the greasy cooker after being caught in the kitchen lights, this still needs funding from somewhere. I anticipate this dying on it’s arse within six months, and the politically motivated occupants of a lot of AG Offices breathing a sigh of relief after not committing to something destined to fail, After all, some of these guys (all Dems) are concerned at who their boss is going to be in ten months time.

  42. Hypothetical question: if you are prosecuted for providing a product, the use of which may or may not cause future harm AND the prosecutors use this product (along with a billion others) convinced its use will cause future harm, are the prosecutors themselves not also guilty and therefore both defendant and plaintiff in their own case?

    What a delicious irony this could turn out to be with the right defense lawyers bringing a counter suit on the same grounds. A guilty verdict for the defendant also brings an automatic guilty verdict for the plaintiff. I wish I was a lawyer with writing skills rather than an engineer. This could make one helluva novel.

  43. “Possible climate change lies.” does this mean that Mann will finally be investigated, properly?

  44. WOW! The charade of all hoaxes on parade. The Gore (2nd Scopes) Monkey Trial. Perhaps some good will come of this to reveal all of Al’s and the IPCC’s dirty laundry. I’ll wager that all the oils gang up on Al and his buddies. A war of the lawyers. The Great Global Warming Trial. I can’t wait for the punch by punch-play by play.

  45. The Gore Effect is in play in the northeast at this moment. Better dial up the John Holdren act to dispel it.

  46. That’s laughable the moment a lawyer trys to quantify and merge with an Entrepreneurs risk justice helds accontable too with the companies – and stockholders future

  47. Think Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman + bilionaire Al Gore – interesting case study on RICO act.

    As the American say – popcorn.

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